5:00pm: There was no last-minute trade of either Rodon or outfielder Joc Pederson, tweets Andrew Baggarly of The Athletic. Both remain with the Giants and are now ineligible to be traded with the deadline passed. The Giants can still issue a qualifying offer to both players, with Rodon standing out as a particularly obvious candidate to receive one.
2:20pm: The Yankees have also checked in on Rodon, though they’re seen as a “long shot,” Jon Heyman of the New York Post tweets.
Jayson Stark of The Athletic adds that Rodon’s $22.5MM player option has indeed been a complicating factor in talks to this point, given the aforementioned downside it presents an acquiring club.
1:20pm: The Giants are in discussions with teams about Carlos Rodón, tweets Susan Slusser of the San Francisco Chronicle. Slusser suggests they’re not motivated to sell low, however, indicating they’d only accept an offer for “full value.” Slusser lists the Phillies, Twins, and Cardinals as interested parties. At 51-52, the Giants sit 4.5 games out for a wild card spot and have 16.6% playoff odds as calculated by FanGraphs.
Rodon dominated through his first 16 starts last year for the White Sox, but then seemed to wear down and was handled carefully the rest of the year. The White Sox chose not to issue a qualifying offer, and Rodon went into free agency as a high-risk, high-reward pitcher. After the lockout, the Giants gave Rodon a two-year, $44MM deal that allows him to opt out of the remaining $22.5MM for ’23 if he reaches 110 innings, a condition the lefty has already met.
So far, Rodon has silenced any concern about his health, as he’s tossed 123 innings without a dropoff in velocity or production, resulting in his second consecutive All-Star nod. Over his last five starts, Rodon has punched out over 36% of batters faced, whiffing ten in each of his last two.
As with any opt-out clause, Rodon will exercise it if he thinks he can top the remaining $22.5MM. Barring a significant injury, it seems likely Rodon will indeed explore free agency again unless he’s extended by a new team. The Mariners and Yankees, respectively, have landed the top two starters on the trade market in Luis Castillo and Frankie Montas. Back-end options Jose Quintana and Jake Odorizzi are off the board as well.
A healthy Rodon is a potential Game 1 or 2 playoff starter, and can impact a playoff race. However, he is owed over $7.5MM for the remainder of the season, plus the downside risk of his opt-out clause and the chance of a repeat of last year’s late fade. He’ll need a suitor with financial flexibility and tolerance for risk. If the Giants don’t find an offer to their liking, they can still tender a qualifying offer to Rodon after the season.
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Have to take LaStella with him
“we’ll throw in heliot ramos too but you have to take lastella”
FIRE ZAIDI!!! He has effectively destroyed the Giants. Kapler should also be fired.
We won 107 games last year. Rodon wasn’t signed with the idea we’d be trying to trade him at the deadline right now. Hence that player option.
Great that Giants won 107 games last year. This is 2022 and this year’s team is terrible. Zaidi did absolutely nothing to make the team better. Zaidi sent a clear message to the players and fans the season is over and no chance to make the playoffs this season. I have zero confidence in Zaidi and Kapler. Both need to be FIRED!!
Lmao they won’t be.
Don’t have the prospects unless it’s for Vaughn
south side hit men
Because Rodon hit his innings mark he is purely a rental. It’s not going to require Vaughn. Maybe a Jared Kelly plus one more
Goku the All Knowing
he’s a rental, but if things sour for him, he can pick up a 22.5 mil option next year lol
I don’t think it’ll be the White Sox. They are still busily still working on the Barry Bonds and Manny Machado deals – – that they linked themselves to. Anything for publicity.
Right apparel, wrong color.
I can hope
I would have thought Groshans would have gotten This done
Toronto needs to be all over this. Come on, Ross. Get it done.
No chance, they just got their season saving pen pieces. Seriously, I was hoping Groshans was part of a Lopez package.
One more starter Cashman. Go get Rodon.
don’t see this happening, “full value” for ace w opt-out is what? 55fv or 50fv and 2 45-40??
I trust Cashman on trades. All I heard leading up to the Montas trade was Volpe would have to be involved. Not only was Volpe not involved but neither was Dominguez, Paraza or their catching prospects.
And a player option for 22.5mil that will only get exercised if he gets injured. That’s gotta scare some teams
As another poster once pointed out to me, teams can’t operate under a fear that a player will get injured. Injury is always a real possibility, but every player carries some injury risk.
If a team thinks Rodon can put them over the top, not pulling the trigger, due to the fear he might get injured, is a way to not win it this season. Every path to winning takes some risk.
But not very often is injury the difference between a 3 month rental and having to pay a guy a whole other $22.5mil over an extra season
No. It’s moot now, but no team was going to be stuck with $22.5 next season—they should be so lucky.
Rental or not, Rodon is lights out. And any contending team that can get an ace for the final run, should be all in on Carlos. But the Giants should absolutely hold out for top prospects or significant major league pieces. Or keep him for the QO.
Hold out for too prospects for a rental, or just get the QO. There is middle ground brother. No one’s going top prospects for a 2 months rental.
Haringbone, teams give top prospects for two month rentals every single year. In fact the Giants did it last year with Bryant, and years ago with Beltran.
Cheers from a team that don’t matter backing another team in your own division. What a clueless Giants fan.
Cubs for Willson Contreras and Ian Happ.
Wow that would be huge and not happening
Why would the Cubs do that? That would be ridiculous. The cubs are in the business of rebuilding and not contenders for a postseason birth. Carlos is only out there for teams who have a shot. Contreras and Happ are offered for their future
“…not contenders for a postseason birth.”
Then I assume they’re on the pill.
The Cubs wouldn’t do that, but it would be almost as absurd for the Giants to do that. If the Giants are selling, trading away a #1-2 SP, they want more than a pure rental, and a guy with only one year of control.
Yankees please and thanks.
Up until an hour ago, I would have said Toronto.
Too rich for our blood today.
What are you talking about, Soto was a deal. They got him and Bell and were even going to dump Hosmer, not even having to take Corbin. The only overpay was Seattle with Castillo. Had they played their cards right, for only a little more Seattle could have got Rodon, Soto, and Hader. The package the M’s paid for Castillo was equal to Soto and Bell if they added Kelenic, Gonzales, White, Hancock, Brash, and Ford. Essentially clearing off $30M in bad contracts, what Hosmer’s inclusion would have done for the Padres.
send him to the Padres, i know they don’t have much left to offer but anything to BEAT LA
Hahaha exactly! Go get em friar’s!
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The White Sox were so stupid for letting him go to save a few bucks. They could have used him this season and if they wanted to they could have traded him for a few prospects. Instead they let him go for zilch!
Thats one of the reasons I want the Twins to pick him up for the final push.
Braves – Ford, Demeritte, Ozuna and firm commitment that the Braves will do every they can to prevent those hated Dodgers from winning the World Series … mmmkay.
Braves can have him for Grissom
Negative ghost rider
Define full value? Cause to 29 teams, he’s a 3 month rental. To the giants, they think he’s 2 years, 3 months. My money is on him going nowhere.
Full value is as much as the most desperate team is willing to pay.
Realistically, probably a top 100 MLB prospect and two or three stiffs.
Full value is as much as the most desperate team is willing to pay, that’s greater than the value of the comp pick.
So Scott and tad, seems like they just decided to go with what they have without giving up prospects. What the heck, kinda going with the group from last year. I’m not a big fan of Davis but at least he’s not a rental and the prospects they got aren’t bad. And they gave up ZERO top prospects.
Here’s my bottom line: if what they already have never turn it around, what good would even Soto added to that do? He’s only one piece and therefore having to give up a Webb and several top prospects for him would be very risky. 2 months left to turn it around.
@Claude: Yeah, Soto was only going to help a bonafide contender, and this team hasn’t looked that way for a couple of months.
Frankly, I don’t see this team having any real shot at the last wildcard. The only trades made were lateral ones, and they seem to open as many holes as they fill. I don’t get trading Casali, for instance.
I wanted Z to cash in on Rodon. Hard to believe that no one offered anything better than a compensatory draft pick.
My take is FZ has no illusions about competing this season, and he was willing to listen on almost every guy. I think he traded the guys he thought he got equivalent value for, and kept the guys that that he didn’t get good a offer for.
I don’t blame him for not matching SD’s offer for Soto. Preller is making a huge gamble and has left their farm virtually barren. Given the injuries, and regression, of so many guys, I don’t know what FZ was expected to do. He was not going to make the 2022 Giants a WS title winner. But, I still trust that he has the long view of the direction to take.
Giants are posturing to see what’s available, all along have been waiting to hand him a QO.
why wouldnt he walk?
What does “full value” mean for a two-month rental?
If it helps you win a championship then it should mean everything. I mean Giants gave Zach Wheeler for a 2 month Beltran that was 36 yrs old.
Greater value than the comp pick they will get when he turns down the QO.
How about just extend him and not qualify him at all?
That would be great. But Boras will want to test the waters
@Balk: If they issue a QO, can’t he still sign with them? It’s good insurance if they think he wants to test FA (which he probably does).
@Scott..If he accepted the qualifying offer, the team could start extension talks with him, but I would throw him a solid offer before I offered the qualifier. See what his agent thinks is best.
Rodon/Pederson to STL… let’s go!
ToJoComp – That’s very compelling for the Cardinals. Who do the Giants get back in return?
“only accept a deal of full value”. Lol what do they think full value is for a pitcher with an out out at the end of the season?
semut — Not just any pitcher. An ace!
Have to take LaStella with him
Wow, now here is our trade deadline special
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The White Sox were stupid for letting him go for nothing. They could have used him this year and if they wanted to trade him, they could have picked up some prospects for him. Instead they got nothing to show for him except saving Jerry R a few payroll dollars.
Price will hurt someone. I’m guessing the Cards finally make a move here
He’s too fat. 245lbs is far too heavy for his frame. I’m guessing prediabetic. Hard pass.
You’re far too dumb for your frame.
LOL, exactly! And btw Jimmy ForIdiot, weight has NOTHING to do with onset of Type 2 diabetes… so you’re even dumber!
I’m a little biased because the Giants and Jays are my two teams. But this seems like a perfect match. Groshans is gone to the Marlins. I don’t think Orelvis Martinez is Zaidi’s type of player, but the Jays have a ton of infield prospects—some of them should appeal to the Giants.
Oh, and the Giants still don’t have clarity at catcher—a Toronto strength.
Ross is on the phone as we speak. But I’d imagine the Jays are resigning this guy if they trade for him
Would like to see the Rangers get in the mix here, but only if he agrees to a new contract in advance. This is the top of the rotation type of pitcher they need if they’re going to make a run in the next 2-3 years.
Blue Jays pls
Cleveland should make a deal.
Hey MLB clowns, Why do you have to bring up Rodon’s year last year when that is behind him. He’s having a great year this year. Focus on that.. That’s all you need to report about.
Of course because nothing that happened to a person in the past ever has any relevance to what may happen in the future.
Do you need a tissue?
Maybe because people like to have more than a 3 month sample when analyzing a player?
If there had been an international draft agreement and no QO next year he would have already been dealt.
Maybe … but the potential QO and still (minute) playoff chance give the Giants most of the leverage. No pressure to sell low from ownership nor the fan base.
Cardinals better be in on this.
I can’t believe how quiet they’ve been! Brewers playing addition by subtraction and the Cards basically sitting on their hands. Gonna be an interesting race to the finish…
Miffed they the Brewers didn’t get Bell. If the Cardinals get Rodon, the division is theirs. Booo
The Yankees need to be all over this.
Astros send Luis Garcia, Enoli Paredas, Brandon Bielak, and Corey Julks to Giants for he and Yaz.
Who says no?
Astrosfn1979 — That is a very interesting offer, and one that I think the Giants would consider.
“He’ll need a suitor with financial flexibility…”.
I doubt that’s the case – the Giants are in a position to sweeten the return by paying all of Rodon’s remaining 2022 salary – if it came to that.
Dealing Dave working magic?
Mets. Their answer to the Padres adding bats.
In the Mets case, there actually is such a thing as enough starting pitching.
While I’d agree, they don’t have that lefty that can slot in the top three or four come playoff time. Peterson is good, but he’s at the bottom of the list.
“The Mariners and Yankees, respectively, have landed the top two starters on the trade market in Luis Castillo and Frankie Montas.” A healthy Rodon (which he has been) is a definitely a better pitcher than Montas, so no they didn’t get the top two available starters.
If the Giants can’t get a high end prospect there is no reason to trade Rodon and help another team win while also diminishing any reason for fans to pay money to go to games and watch mediocre pitchers.
To your point, Montas and Castillo wrre the top two starters on the trade market, because it was unknown if Rodon was on the trade market.
And unlike (probably) Rodon – they definitely aren’t rentals.
Rodon is gonna be a Cardinal. They have the prospects and need pitching
Well, they need to put the pedal to the metal then – only 2+ hours left – let’s make a deal!
Will they even feel the need to do that? They might be thinking Flaherty is coming back so why bother… since they have the utmost faith in him it seems. A move for Rodon would be nice, would be able to move Pallante and Hudson to the pen if they wanted when Flaherty comes back.
I would like for that to happen for the Cardinals sake!!
However, the Cardinals President of Baseball Operations is way too conservative to be dealing with the GM’s of today. That’s how the Cardinal lost out on a Juan Soto deal.
Plus—— He has an 8 year history of not obtaining impact players at the trading Deadline.
BrettPhillips for Prezident
That would be nice
Why am I thinking Blue Jays?
For Rodon, Giants can pick any two.
Montero, Gary Sanchez.
J chamberlain, P Hughes, P coke.
Its light, so Giants prolly need to throw in and a comp pick.
Mike Piazza Pie
Giants could possibly sell Rodon to the Phillies who are behind them in the wildcard standings.
Interesting contrast in mindsets between the always rebuilding Gnats and all-in Phils
Mike Piazza Pie — I think you’ve reversed the two teams.
This dude, ha, always rebuilding Gnats?! He’s starting to remind me of rightyspecialist
c’mon Phillies!would be a nice get by DD if he pulls if off. that possible $22mil option for 2023 could be offset by Didi contract being over
Twins desperately need a game 1 starter. This is the the only guy that meets that need.
They won’t need it. Cleveland will win the ALC
Best landing spots with very good minors talent to get back: Padres, Dodgers, Mets, Braves.
Padres? Did you not hear that they traded for Soto, and what went back to the Nat’s? Campusano, 55 FV and Jackson Merrill 45 FV are now their top prospects. No one else has a higher FV than 40+. As it was their farm was ranked about 15-17th. After this trade it will be near the bottom. They can’t afford the prospects to get anyone at this point.
If he stays healthy through they year what is the contract next year?
If he stays healthy he opts out.
Yeah. I’m asking what type of deal we think he’ll get. More or less than Ray/Musgrove?
Sorry for misunderstanding. I think, if he stays healthy, definitely more than Musgrove. After all he’s be opting out of a deal that already has a higher AAV. And I’d say slightly more than Ray. Something like 5/$120M.
I think he could be a shorter in years/higher in AAV guy this offseason.
Maybe something like 3/95 or 4/115 seems possible to me.
Who knows, maybe he’d agree to an extension with the Giants along those lines.
Generally players want security, and will trade for more years with a lower AAV. Rodon is the same age as Musgrove, and a year younger than Ray, and they both got 5 year deals.
FZ might be interested in the shorter/higher AAV deal, but if Rodon gets a 5/$120 offer, and all things being equal, I’d bet he takes that.
Yes, that is a likelier scenario – I wouldn’t take your bet. 🙂
I remember when the Sox drafted Rodon there was a scout who said something along the lines that Rodon was right now one of the ten best pitchers in the world. He said that when he was drafted. Years of injuries and the Sox stuck with him only to let him walk.
Sox traded Madrigal, waived Yermin and Luis Gonzalez and let Rodon walk, the moves that single handedly destroyed the White Sox and their current run at a title. Signing Josh Harrison is another, stole Leury Garcia’s starting job which he had earned.
Rodon is a top flight Ace, only a handful of pitchers in the entire league have been better this season, the Giants probably cashing in on Rodon but if they have any hopes of winning this decade they should sign him to a long term extension. Rodon to Yermin could be great for years to come.
Yankees could eat the salary and then give up a low level prospect. That is what they do. No team should give up a high prospect and then have to take the contract. It is one or the other. Go Cash Go!
He’s only owed $7.5M, that’s hardly onerous for a team like the Yankees. Giants won’t take a low level prospect, since the value of the comp pick is higher. Any team that wants him will have to exceed that value.
You are dreaming.
BrettPhillips for Prezident
Cards need to get him
“…the player option only creates downside for the acquiring team.”
As downsides go, I don’t see that as a giant risk (pun intended). Consider that the Giants themselves took that risk and it’s paid off big-time for them. You can bet the Giants would be thrilled if he told them today that he won’t opt out.
Also consider that they’ve been fairly careful with his workload and he’s appeared to only get stronger/better only as the season has progressed.
The player option might look like a lock to be declined today but with 1/3 of the season left to play that can change very easily. Especially with a pitcher.
If the Phillies and Twins just got their pitchers…Are the Cardinals still in talks?
Everything I’ve read has stated the Twins are gunning for multiple pitchers. Anyway I’m hoping it’s true we need more proven depth
Why would the Giants send Rodon to the Dodgers? That’s never gonna happen.
Why would the Giants send Rodon to the Dodgers?
Giants can’t even get the trade deadline right. Next ten years of watching LA and SD battle it out should be fun. Go niners.
Giants had the price too high for sure. Yankees called their bluff. Yankees traded away Montgomery, you knew they were looking for a starter. Rodon or Pablo
Yep, we got back a fantastic defensive center fielder, but we lost a popular lefty that we didn’t replace. Now we’re stuck with Domingo German as the 5th starter until Severino gets back.
A little stupid, in my opinion, but I get wanting to put Judge back in right field.
Giants can’t even get the trade deadline right. Should be fun watching LA and SD battle it out the next ten years. Go niners.
Yes… agreed @giantsguy41. Bad mistake not unloading Rodon and Joc. Sheesh.
What’s the point of “unloading” Rodon and Joc? Clearly FZ saw the comp pick for Rodon as having greater value than what was offered. If an offer had exceeded that value, he’d have traded. No point in trading productive guys just to get rid of them.
So. Cal. Giants fan
Yup, thank God football season is around the corner
As a Giants fan I am extremely dissapointed. Rodon doesn’t even want to be in San Francisco.
I would have been happy with Jordan Montgomery and a prospect for Rodon, which I think they clearly could’ve gotten.
There are simply too many unknowns with Rodon, Farhan didn’t adequately factor that in his ask for Rodon.
Why would he want to stay in sf?
Should have moved Rodon to StL for Bader. Bader to CF, then Slater & Yaz to the corners and the OF defense is way better. Think Farhan made a mistake in not moving Carlos. Other than that, I like some of the NYM kids, the young C from Seattle Andy Taylor too.
What did SF get for Rosenthal?
Joc is not getting a QO
They only said he could.
So the Giants will do what the White Sox are idiots for not doing last offseason.
I normally defend Zaidi but in this case I’m extremely disappointed. Could have gotten a decent haul and there is no way this team was going to beat the Dodgers, Mets or Padres in the playoffs. Better be one heck of a draft pick they get when he walks.
It makes zero sense that FZ could have gotten a decent haul, and turned it down. The guy isn’t stupid. What’s obvious is no one was offering a decent haul. And what was offered was deemed to be of less value than the comp pick.
Giants have zero direction under Farhan. Not selling Bumgarner and Smith in 2019 was bad. Not selling Rodon now is inexcusable. A team full of platoon players isn’t beating the Padres or Dodgers
Might not even beat the D-Bags…
Rodon not being traded makes no sense to me. Pederson I understand more because he is on the concussion IL which I’m sure diminished his value. So Zaidi just sits on his hands. Doesn’t improve current lineup or build for the future smh
Agree. And I’m having a hard time wrapping my head around the Casali trade, too. Bart, while he has looked better since being sent down, definitely needs to be fortified with a veteran catcher.
But not trading Rodon? Inexcusable unless absolutely no one offered anything greater than the value of a future comp pick. And it’s really hard to imagine that being the case.
The only way this makes sense is if Rodon signed an affidavit stating that he will not opt out after the season no matter what. Otherwise there are only 2 possible outcomes: he opts out and they sign him to a new contract, or he passes on the QO and they get a comp pick. Like you I find it impossible to believe nobody made a worthwhile offer.
The Giants got seven prospects yesterday for as close to nothing as you can get (1 36-year-old RH platoon DH, 1 backup catcher, 2 pitchers on IL who have not thrown a pitch all season.)
No, they certainly did not improve their ML club, but they did make moves to help the future.
Just because a guy is in the minor leagues doesn’t make him a prospect. Giants certainly did not get 7 prospects yesterday
So. Cal. Giants fan
I recall the Phillies fans trashing Kapler when the Giants organization hired him. One of their biggest complaints was his mismanagement of the bullpen. Last year every move he made worked out. However, this year his moves are head shaking! Why would he leave Rogers in for two consecutive innings? Be happy with one successful outcome, but Rogers has never been able to string two conservative innings together for whatever reason. It’s head shaking imho.
Saturday, 2 innings, 6 up 6 down, 3 ks. 3 days rest before last night.
So Giants did nothing to add for a wildcard push and worse than that did nothing to build for the future. Grade for Farhan at deadline? D.