The Yankees had interest in the Tigers’ Tarik Skubal prior to the deadline, USA Today’s Bob Nightengale reports. Given how aggressively the Yankees were looking for pitching help, it isn’t surprising that they at least checked in on a talented and controllable arm like Skubal, who isn’t eligible for free agency until after the 2026 season. Skubal ended up not being dealt anywhere, as while the Tigers were open to offers for “just about everyone” in the wake of a massively disappointing season, it would’ve naturally taken a huge trade package to obtain a pitcher that still looks like a significant part of Detroit’s present and future.
As poorly as 2022 has gone for the Tigers, they aren’t likely to abandon their plans to contend and immediately re-enter another rebuild phase, especially not with a lot of money already committed to such players as Javier Baez and Eduardo Rodriguez. Since Skubal’s strong performance has been one of the few bright spots of Detroit’s season, moving Skubal might be just about the last thing the Tigers would do, so the Yankees’ pursuits might be limited to just monitoring the situation should plans change. Of course, New York landed a big arm at the deadline anyway in Frankie Montas.
More from the Bronx….
- Star prospect Oswald Peraza was hit on the hand by a pitch in today’s game, but x-rays didn’t reveal any broken bones, according to Conor Foley of The Scranton Times-Tribune (Twitter links). While it appears as though Peraza avoided any serious injury, it isn’t yet known if he might require at least a brief stint on the injured list if there’s any swelling or lingering soreness. While Anthony Volpe is often heralded as the Yankees’ shortstop of the future and one of baseball’s top prospects, Peraza is a top-100 prospect in his own right, and closer to the big leagues — Volpe is playing at Double-A while Peraza has hit .259/.328/.450 over 354 plate appearances at the Triple-A level. There has been speculation that Peraza could be a late-season call-up to New York, though this hand issue could potentially factor into when he could make his MLB debut.
- Derek Dietrich was issued a 50-game suspension after testing positive for the stimulant known as DMPA (1,4-dimethylpentylamine). As a result, Dietrich will miss the remainder of the Triple-A season. Dietrich has signed minor league contracts with the Yankees in each of the last two offseasons, with a brief stint with the Nationals’ Triple-A affiliate in the second half of the 2021 season. Best known for his time as a versatile regular with the Marlins, Dietrich hit a solid .245/.335/.428 over 2513 PA in the majors from 2013-2020 with the Marlins, Reds, and Rangers, and hasn’t since been back to the big leagues.
The Yankees were aggressively seeking pitching and then trade away Montgomery??
Most baffling move of the deadline IMO and already cost them a game.
Yeah, Von P, the most obvious result is when Montgomery pitched against the Yanks, how ironic. That’s when Cashman has to wonder about doing a deal just for the sake of doing it.
“Agressively” in NY vernacular means they didn’t offer any of their top 5 prospects and wanted Detroit to pay his salary. For years, Detroit will be hearing how they should have traded him now, because NY was offering more than any other offer they will ever receive, in this lifetime or the next.
@stymeedone
If this is a reference to trading Fulmer a few years ago? Fulmer would have landed a kings ransom. As you have seen, his control ran out the season the Tigers thought they could contend so keeping Fulmer was a colossal failure by Avila.
Now, I doubt anyone would feel comfortable with Avila trading Skubal. Not only would it appear to run counter to the desire to compete now but no one trusts Al to competently trade anyone let alone a player with Skubal’s value.
In several of the trades Cashman had reportedly been working on (Soto, Lopez, Castillo, Ohtani) several of their top prospects were involved. In fact they sent their best pitching prospect (Waldichuck) to the A’s in the Montas deal. He was the best pitching prospect they have had since before Kaprielian’s arm turned to glass. In Ohtani’s case Cashman said the Angels can pick whomever they wanted. It was a bad move on their part. They chose 2 years of one of the game’s best players instead of over a half decade of 3 or more positions covered. Those 3 positions (going off Yankee top prospects) could have been C, SS, and 2nd/3rd. The most difficult positions to fill.
Why even bother commenting on a Yankee story? It’s obvious you believe complete falsehoods and don’t even bother to do a simple google search before repeating the same tired opinion that hundreds have used before you on this site.
@Rob66- All I can think of is, the Yankees really thought they we’re getting another starting pitcher like Pablo López, so they traded Monty lst. They obviously made a huge mistake. The Marlins supposedly backed out of the trade at 5:59pm.
Sounds like your shifting the blame to the Marlins. Marlins have every right to shop around as long as they want. Cashman shouldve demand and answer sooner, or moved on.
@StarvinMartin- one problem that the Marlins have is with their offense. Having Torres, Hicks, and Andujar playing everyday, would have definitely helped them to score more runs. This trade would have helped both teams. It should have gotten done.
Cashman has screwed up this team’s chemistry by this move.
As a Yankee fan, I’m not enamored about the trade but Montgomery is a nice, serviceable pitcher. He’s not a difference maker.
@DragBunt- Maybe, Monty wouldn’t be a difference maker in the postseason, but he surely could be a difference maker right now.
I mean, that’s fair. I just feel they have much bigger issues. He wasn’t pitching well before they traded him anyway.
I really don’t think the Montgomery/ German difference is that big of a deal. That being said, I don’t like the trade.
After watching the Cardinals series, I totally agree with you that the Montgomery trade was crazy. The fact they were looking for starting pitching—- makes it even more Crazy.
However—- Bader will definitely make the Yankees outfield. He’s going to hit around .255. He’s super fast. Great glove, is so fast, he can play in on hitters to take away bloop hits into center, yet still so quick— going back on fly balls to the wall.
With a healthy Bader—- the Yanks Left and & right will not have to cover near enough ground. Making both Gold Glove Candidates themselves. Just as He helped make Tyler O’Neil a gold Glover himself.
It’s been reported that Cashman had a trade with the Marlins for Pablo Lopez all locked up. Ng waited until the last few minutes before the deadline to try and strongarm him out of an additional prospect. Ng probably saw he had traded Monty and figured she could pad the deal. You can’t blame her either. Being the first and only female GM I’m sure she is under the microscope for everything and thought she had Cashman by the balls. If she is going to trade one of the game’s best young starters she probably wants to make sure she doesn’t get crucified immediately and 2 years after the trade. Pablo Lopez still pitching for the Marlins is probably due to reporters feeling the need to be the first to report anything. Had whichever writer that broke the Monty trade kept it to themselves for 5 minutes German would be in the bullpen and the Yankees would have a very talented young starter for several more years.
I didn’t understand the Montgomery deal… should have kept him.
@BobGibsonFan-The Marlins came close to a trade with the Yankees that would involved Gleyber Torres or Mike Sweeney and Aaron Hicks. Joey Wendle would of been one of the players going back to the Yankees also. That’s why the Yankees traded Monty. NY got screwed right at the deadline.
Captain – Who is Mike Sweeney?
@Lars MacDonald-*Trey… lol
1) There’s gotta be more to that trade scenario because Sweeney (I think you mean Trey) and Hicks for Wendle makes little sense unless and it makes even less sense if Lopez was also involved.
2) There’s no such thing as getting “screwed” at the deadline. Until paperwork is processed, teams should do what is in their best interest, even if that means backing out of trades. The Yankees shouldn’t complete trades if they don’t want to possibly end up with that player on their team.
Trading Montgomery only makes sense if the Yanks front office thought they had a deal for another starter. Monty isn’t an ace but he’s a consistent 3-4 who keeps you in the game. They really cut into their depth for a 4th outfielder? An injured one at that.
Its a possibility that they thought that they had Lopez in the bag and didn’t anticipate Kim Nyn turning down the move last minute……did Cash anticipate the move before it was in the bag?
It’s definitely a reality. Ca$hman thought he was getting López and Wendle. That’s why Monty was dealt for Bader. Marlins backed out of the trade at 5:59pm. Smh
I can’t find anything corroborating a Lopez deal falling apart a minute before the deadline. Seems the Yankees checked in with the Marlins and quickly realized it wouldn’t work:
nypost.com/2022/08/04/yankees-looked-into-marlins-…
The Montgomery trade made no sense, even if they had a deal in place for someone else. They could have moved Germán to the pen if needed. Since the break, they’ve been reeling and struggling to get back on a roll. Sure, they’re up 9.5 on Toronto, but if things don’t turn around, they could be facing Toronto for a 4-game series and be struggling to stay ahead of them.
Yankee fans don’t want to hear this, but what if the rationale behind dealing away Montgomery for Bader was to prepare for letting Judge walk?
I have trouble validating Cashman’s idea that Bader is sure to contribute in this postseason. His foot’s in a walking boot with an affliction that can take months to heal and has had a history of recurring on other players suffering from it. Bader’s calling card is his speed, while his bat is mediocre. The claim that trading Monty for him was focused on this postseason doesn’t compute. Bader’s fielding metrics were already down from previous seasons. Why is Cashman sure he’ll literally hit the ground running when he gets back on the field — if he gets back at all?
On the other hand, grabbing a center fielder for next year might make sense if the plan is to let Judge go, knowing he’s going to cost more than the offer he rejected. But then it would indicate that Cashman’s marching orders from Hal might’ve been to make trades that allow him to keep fielding a “competitive” team that pulls in revenue every year without busting the budget, rather than make trades with the goal of winning a World Series.
Addressing any post Judge scenario could have been done after the season. IMO, the timing of the trade has more to do with Stanton not playing the OF. Who cares if Judge plays CF in the post season? It’s only an issue if Stanton has to DH. Having Carp in RF is undesirable as well as counting on Hicks. Personally, I would feel better keeping Monte so I don’t overwork a pitching staff that I just gave up a third of my top 30 for. Monte’s value was carrying a starters load the rest of the season regardless if he fit the post season roster or not. Bader could be a big help in the playoffs but I’d rather insure my pitching staff.
There’s constantly going to be questions regarding the Monty trade but to say that Bader is anything but a Gold Glove Cf’er whose slight degradation this year defensively is because of anything other than his bad foot is silly…..and his offense is equal and more dependable than Hicks who always tantalizes with potential from both sides but in reality pretty much is a .225 hitter who doesn’t put the ball in play nearly enough…..as far as playing Judge in CF….well a great idea unless and until he gets hurt going after a difficult play…..right now he’s carrying the entire offense on his back so you can’t afford to lose him for anything other than normal rest……
Why did Cash do this when pitching is at a premium? Did they lose Lopez (who looks like an upgrade over Monty) at the very last minute when Kim of Miami decided not to go through with a trade? Do we Yankee fans know all that was going on and exactly what transpired…..NO, so lets just move on and look forward to the rest of the regular season and hope for the postseason…..
Apparently the source of this rumor of a botched trade for Lopez that was nixed at the last minute originated with Craig Carton, whose proposed scenario was noted for its unlikelihood:
msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/analyzing-yankees-marlins…
Well, at least Benintendi finally hit the ball today.
And Montas hit 97 a few times with his fastball, although it was down to 94-95 by the third inning, his last. So maybe it wasn’t his shoulder that made him so ineffective today.
Now on to Seattle where we can watch the guy Cashman should’ve traded for, Castillo, probably beat Cole again.
Cashman, the Ninja.
Why would you prefer the guy with over a full run added to his ERA away from the Coliseum, a pitcher’s park with huge foul ground, instead of going for the pitcher who succeeded in the launchpad of the Great American Ball Park? Which is more like Yankee Stadium? And Cashman had just seen Castillo dominate in Yankee Stadium.
Oh, well. Down to a 9.5-game lead in the division with lots of time for Toronto to whittle down the lead if they keep winning and the Yankees’ slide continues. It was fun while it lasted, eh?
Well, isn’t it pretty obvious why the Yankees have Montas and not Castillo…..the Reds weren’t going to accept anything that didn’t begin with Volpe and probably Dominquez with more thrown in……and Cash doesn’t want to trade Volpe regardless of what us backroom GM’s on this site think……..I agree that Castillo is way ahead of Montas, especially after yesterdays performance, and I also think Beane did it again to the Yankees with this trade….getting a fly ball pitcher who excelled in Oakland’s spacious park…..well see when he pitches at the stadium…..you just have to trust this works out……..
It’s crazy the Yankees didn’t want to part with Dominguez, Volpe, or Peraza for Castillo originally. But a few weeks ago they gave in to Peraza being part of the trade with other prospects like Trey Sweeney, Clarke Schmidt or Ken Waldichuk and Everson Pereira. But by that time, the Mariners said they would include their #1 prospect Marte and a few other prospects, so he was going to Seattle instead of NY.
Cashman had no less than five shortstops among the Yankees’ Top 30 prospects. It’s my impression that shortstops are among the more coveted prospects. Even if a GM doesn’t need one for his own roster, he can readily flip a shortstop to fill another position of need.
I wonder if Cashman could’ve substituted quantity for quality, offering a couple of lower-rated shortstops instead of including Volpe.
In 2020, shortstop Noelvi Marte, the top trade chip the Reds took in trade for Castillo, was ranked #92 by Baseball America. And while other rating systems had him in their Top 20 before this year’s deadline, Baseball America had him at #46. These rankings are volatile and far from an exact science. Castillo, on the other hand, is a proven big-league TOR starter, a supremely valuable commodity. I mean, look at what Cashman paid for Cole.
Apparently Cashman’s prospect-hugging wasn’t limited to Volpe (whose long-term viability at shortstop has been questioned by some scouts) and Dominguez; he also may have balked at including Peraza in trades. Yet he gave up eight pitchers in his dealings before the deadline. Last year, it was the pitching that kept the Yankees in the hunt when the offense was 19th in runs.
Think about this: Cashman traded as if pitchers were his most expendable commodity, yet it was for a pitcher — Castillo or Lopez — that he thought the asks were too much.
I wish I could trust that this is going to work out; but my first impressions say otherwise. Despite what some of the pundits might say, I’m not feeling like this is a much stronger team after the trades, either now or for the future. Hope I’m wrong, of course.
The price that Seattle paid ended Cashman’s interest. You can never tell about prospects, but that was a substantial price to pay for 1.2 years of control of what might be a very good, but not great, SP. I liken it to the Berrios trade last year.
And, imho, while I think Cashman holds on to too many prospects, I also think too many Yankee fans have a mind set of “pay any price”. As a RS fan, I wouldn’t have paid the same price as Seattle did.
I thought the return for Berrios was overrated at the time, Joe. On the other hand, Berrios’s value has plummeted this year.
I think one factor that would’ve made Castillo especially valuable to the Yankees is his minuscule HR/9 over the last three years, a good skill to have in Yankee Stadium and one that he proved in the Great American launchpad in Cincinnati.
I can’t help but wonder if some more creative dealing could’ve gotten Castillo without including Volpe or Dominguez, especially with the surfeit of shortstops in the Yankee system. And even if Volpe had to be included, there’s no guarantee that a prospect will flourish in the majors. Dustin Ackley, a #2 draft pick ranked #11 prospect in 2020 by Baseball America and #12 by Baseball Prospectus, comes to mind.
Oh, well. What might’ve been never was.
Montas hasn’t pitched in awhile and simply wasn’t sharp. All this ridiculousness about only being good because he pitched in Oakland is pretty silly since the road sample size was previously two starts.
The sample referred to is his career sample: 64 games and 48 starts at home and 58 games and 44 starts on the road.
2021 Montas Era in about 190 innings:
Home: 3.34
Away: 3.40
2 starts? How about his entire career?
Home ERA 3.23
Away ERA 4.50
I try to not pay too much attention to some of these splits, because they do flucuate. But I have no idea why you think this is base on two starts.
I just spelled out the numbers.
It’s odd that you guys contribute it all to the actual ballpark when there might be other contributing factors like:
Some pitchers, just creatures of habit, just happen to pitch better in their home ballpark maybe due to sleeping at home, distractions on road etc..
It’s funny how a guy soooo aided by the Coliseum has pitched so well in Yankee Staduim.
Sure, there might be any number of other factors; but the fact is, the Coliseum plays as a pitcher’s park. The enormous foul ground allows fielders to catch foul balls that would be in the seats in other parks. The left- and right-center walls are 15 feet high. The left- and right-centerfield power alleys are 388 feet from the plate. It suppresses home runs.
I am aware that it can be an advantage. However, to make that the ONLY factor in why he normally pitched better at home is oversimplifying a guys performance.
Cortes has been much better at home this year too…. I guess he’s aided by Yankee Stadium.
No way I give up Skubal for Volpe.
Lou Whitaker does belong in the HOF, nice call tag
HOF for dancing maybe, watch him try to do the splits.
Higher War than Jeter. Nuff said.
Lou Whitaker does belong in the HOF
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Not before Grich. Grich had a higher fWAR in maybe 1800-1900 fewer PAs.
Keith Law tried to turn that into a race issue as well.
Montas is a 29 year old with a career 3.73 ERA, 110 ERA+,3.71 FIP, adn 7.5 WAR, Montgomery is a 29 year old with a 3.90 ERA, 109ERA+, and a 3.90 FIP and an 8.2 WAR. There really just isn’t that much of a difference between these two guys. The Yankees negated the Montas addition when they traded Montgomery. Maybe the Yankees thought they had a deal for Pablo Lopez and it fell through.
Exactly what I’ve been saying….they must have thought they had a deal with Kim down in Miami and at the last minute she pulled out…….
I no longer look at Hal as a Steinbrenner. It’s an insult to George to call him that. He will now be Zieg (his mothers maiden name).
Still a tragedy Hank wasn’t in good health and couldn’t take over this team. I think he would have had his stumbles in the beginning but his heart was in the right place in wanting to win first, make money second and I think he would’ve figured it out. Now the Yankees are run like Walmart thanks to Zieg.
Cashman tried to address two positions of weakness without giving up “key” prospects or controllable talent. The only way to do that is to do what he did.
I believe it ultimately failed because it was a compound trade that fell through on the back end with Kim Ng. The reality is that had Cashman sent Hicks, Gleyber, & prospect to Miami for Lopez, we may be viewing the trade deadline differently.
This Monty trade absolutely hurt the team, no question. Pitching depth & consistency are keys for this roster to win this year (they need home field to beat Houston, imo). Bader is awesome & will be much better than Hicks in CF, but this season he is a non-contributor to this roster due to injury. Bader will also *not be the difference for the Yankees winning if Houston has home field advantage.
Cole is fantastic, but flames out. I believe his hyper-competitiveness is what makes him great, but he’s too high-strung all year and we see the results of that toward the tail end/playoffs. Either way, he’s simply not a slam dunk, far from it, for games 1 & 3.
I am one of Cashman’s most ardent critics. I do despise his poor moves. But, I’ve come to take the more patient approach and see how his moves play out before judging them. He proved me wrong this past offseason, and with several good trades (or non-trades), putting the Yankees in first place.
I do think this year is their best shot due to the impending FAs & rising roster arb costs. I wish they would’ve had a bit more…..Preller at the deadline.
(Hope this comment doesn’t post twice but I think there’s an issue within the app).
There’s an issue with the app . I see my posts several times as I scroll but it later displays my post just once.
It just seems like this might’ve been the year to go for it, though. Keep holding on to those prospects and before you know it, Cole’s not a #1 anymore, Judge leaves as a free agent, etc. I remember how exciting it was in 2017 when the Yankees were a game away from going to the World Series. It sucked when they lost but you thought man, that window, they’ll definitely win a W.S. or 2 in the next few years. How’s that looking now? I shudder to think what this team will look like next year IF Judge walks. Not that long ago I would’ve said no way, but I’m not so sure anymore with Cashman. Will they outbid the Mets, the Dodgers? I’m afraid this was the year.
It just seems like this might’ve been the year to go for it, though. Hi Keep holding on to those prospects and before you know it, Cole’s not a #1 anymore, Judge leaves as a free agent, etc. I remember how exciting it was in 2017 when the Yankees were a game away from going to the World Series. It sucked when they lost but you thought man, that window, they’ll definitely win a W.S. or 2 in the next few years. How’s that looking now? I shudder to think what this team will look like next year IF Judge walks. Not that long ago I would’ve said no way, but I’m not so sure anymore with Cashman. Will they outbid the Mets, the Dodgers? I’m afraid this was the year.
Tigers looked at Soto before he was dealt to SD. Can I blame the rest of this year on Rizzo pulling out of the trade? Seem NYY fans are saying Ng not making a trade they would have like to have seen happen, ruined their season. Sincerely doubt Ng was really enticed by the few remaining years on Hicks and Torres contracts plus some prospect not on NYY list of “untouchables.” Probably as unlikely as Soto to Detroit.
You seem to be buying into Craig Carton’s dubious narrative about the non-trade for Lopez:
msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/analyzing-yankees-marlins…
Fink, I am taking the position that what he said is logical, especially given the progression of the trades.
Otherwise, I just think it’s a bad trade for the Yankees. Bader gives us nothing for this year where we really need it (pitching/offense). I love having him. He’s one of my favorite MLB CFers, honestly. But, straight up for a healthy Monty while he’s injured? And now? It makes no sense unless it was part of a larger plan.
I have seen you posit Bader as the stand-in for Judge, and perhaps that’s correct, although I sure hope it isn’t the way they’re operating.
Truth be told, the Monty deal at this juncture given the existing circumstances confounds me.
Yeah, Clip — the part I don’t buy is the part Rosenstein at NJ.com doesn’t buy: i.e., that Hicks would’ve been part of the deal to get Lopez. Who the heck would take on that contract in a trade?
Yeah, that’s very true, brother. The Hicks part was just me thinking about a Christmas morning gift! Lol…
Honestly, I think Miami may have wanted Dominguez/Sweeney ++, or something similar. I bet Cashman offered them Hicks though!
Really great comment man! Many, as well as I, will agree with all you have said!
I don’t understand the obsession with incremental improvement at specific positions. Great teams have guys who are below average. The Red Sox won 108 games and WC with their catchers hitting about .112, ok maybe a little higher than that, but they didn’t panic at the trade deadline because their catchers couldn’t hit a lick.
@Yankee Clipper- hey your 100% percent correct about everything you’ve said. I wonder who that 3rd prospect was it was probably Gomez, Schmidt, Florial or Andujar. I love Gleyber, but the Yankees finally would have rid themselves of Hicks contract, and brought back Bader for Monty. Obviously things didn’t go as planned. This 5 game losing streak hopefully ends tonight. Hope all is well.
Gleyber should and hopefully will get traded sooner than later….he tantalizes you with potential and then his $.10 cent head gets in the way either by swinging 2-0 in a crucial situation, making a dumb move on the bases, or an error in the field…..he’s just not ever going to be Cano in his prime and the Yankees need to move on and put TJ back at his GG 2nd base position.
I wouldn’t trade Gleyber though. DJ is great, no complaints really. What a lot of fans forget about is that the Yankees could of traded Torres a few years ago for Castillo straight up. The majority of Yankee fans didn’t want to trade Gleyber, that is looking like a mistake now though. Castillo is what the Yankees need right now.
Thanks Cap & Rocky. Hope you guys are doing well. Yeah, I agree, in hindsight the Torres-for-Castillo deal looks like it would’ve been a great move. I do agree with Fink: I don’t see Cash & Hal splurging to re-sign Judge in the offseason. They didn’t get Soto, they may not have Rizzo. It could go downhill pretty quickly if they don’t realize they are the Yankees.
The Yankees have been wildly inconsistent the last few years, that inconsistency continues this year! Not sure how to fix it. I’m worried about this year’s team. I can see them limping into the playoffs and being quickly dismissed. On the other hand, I could see them righting the ship eventually but even then hard to imagine them beating the Astros.
I too have been ultra critical of Cashman and have blogged here that he was right last off season, now I’m not sure. Maybe we needed that extra pitcher last winter and a big time shortstop.
That’s how I feel, Mick. I fear I may have been too quick to praise Cashman while the team was so greatly exceeding my expectations. It’s not how you start the season, it’s how you finish.
It’s not Cashmans fault that more than half the lineup isn’t doing it’s job.
Who acquired the lineup?
Lol he did, but I doubt GM’s can see into the future and envision players production completely plummet. Blame the players.
Every GM who puts a team together is required to project their future performance before acquiring players. That’s the job.
Some things are unforeseeable.
But please tell me who you think is a great GM and I can easily pick out their bad moves, like Billy Beane etc..
It’s not some exact science.
You can project numbers all day, doesn’t mean the player will actually live up to their potential.
These players are real people.
Inconsistency is used for teams that are around .500 like the White Sox.
The Yankees are 70-39.
When you have long winning and losing streaks in the same year, that is by definition being inconsistent.
A .500 team is not necessarily inconsistent. If you win a couple then lose a couple you’re mediocre not inconsistent.
No, since every team— good or bad , has winning streaks and losing streaks in the same year.
Where are all these long losing streaks the Yankees have had? Just the current one.
“Mediocre” = 70-39
No wonder people on here mock Yankee fans.
Mick, S.I.’s Yankee beat writer Max Goodman, who’s been among the better Yankee reporters this year, agrees with you:
“Over the last few weeks, however, New York has reverted to some of the tendencies that doomed this club a season ago, the inconsistencies and inability play complementary baseball that’s paved the way to a season-long five-game losing streak.”
msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/we-have-to-play-better-ya…
Mickey7s: You make great points, and perhaps more frightening is the fact that they will likely be demonstrably worse next year regardless of what they do (unless they actually go past the CBT to adequately address all their vacancies/weaknesses).
Never believed Detroit would move Skubal.
That said, I do believe that “just about everyone” else was available including the TJ surgery recovering Casey Mize.
I’m thinking Elias in Baltimore made an offer, but in hindsight it is now evident that the Birds were not going to move any of there top position prospects which would have had to have happened to get Casey. Classic Elias move. He would have had Casey in the bullpen next year building arm strength then in 24 in the rotation.
So the Birds did the next best thing. Got a less traveled TJ injured Seth Johnson from Tampa Bay that needs to recover plus spend some time in minors before launching in 25/26 … and without having to give up a position prospect(s).
The Yankees are going through a rough patch, as most teams do. It’s not related to the moves Cashman made….which are empirically lousy.
They can’t win without Gallo!
Oh, so right. You definitely cracked the code….
“1,4-dimethylpentylamine”
1-4… also the range of Dietrich’s body fat
I’m perplexed by the Montgomery move as well. Just like everyone else, I don’t consider Monty much more than a nice #3 pitcher, but the NYY have only 5 SPs right now, and that includes German, and he is risky, and Cortes, who has never pitched more than 93 innings, and is on pace for 168.
I like Bader well enough, but this looks risky.
Dietrich is, has been, and always will be a bum.
Monty for Bader is another stupid analytics move that never works. Bader is a poor hitter and you can find a good defensive OF in AAA. Reliable SP like Monty don’t grow on trees, and it’s very possible any reliable SP the Yankees have that are near MLB ready were dealt away at the deadline.
Bader is a poor hitter
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Why? According to B-R, his career OPS+ is 99, making him almost exactly average.
I’ll take average over Hicks
Bader was an elite defender in center before the injury to his foot — but that’s the problem: plantar fasciitis can be a long-term, recurring injury, and a glove-first center fielder without wheels is useless. The Yankees, of all teams, should be aware of this, after having had both Greg Bird and Luke Voit hobbled by plantar fasciitis.
If Bader is able to come back at 100%, he’s a better defender than what you’re likely to find in AAA. But that’s a huge if.
What chaps me is that 24-year-old Estevan Florial, a center fielder, is stuck in AAA with no shot at playing in the bigs despite ranking sixth in wRC+ among all AAA center fielders. It’s like Cashman — or somebody in his analytics department — takes a dislike to a player, and that player will never get a shot no matter what he shows on the field.
Key term— “can be”, but more than likely not.
Greg Bird had like 20 injuries, I can’t credit his downfall to one.
On what do you base your sanguine prognosis? Bird and Voit were playing first base, not center field. The stress on a player’s feet and the importance of speed at the respective positions is hardly comparable.
And, no, Bird didn’t have “like 20 injuries.” He missed 167 games with his foot injury in 2019. Hyperbole doesn’t add to your attempted point.
Ok I’ll present facts:
Torn labrum in shoulder, surgery to remove bone in right foot, bone spur in ankle….
The injury you’re referring to happened in 2019, well after he was known as a liability.
By the way, Birds Planter was torn, Bader won’t require surgery. Big difference
I’m fine with you presenting all the negatives in every situation involving the Yankees. But to draw an accurate conclusion , I prefer a little more balanced approach myself.
In 2019, the only injury recorded on Spotrac was the foot injury, which was plantar fasciitis. That ended Bird’s career as a Yankee.
‘Bader said his doctors had “tried everything except for nothing” to address his plantar fasciitis, which is why he is currently in a boot and resting. But he’s optimistic this rehab route can get him back on the field this season. . . .
‘“I remember mentally what it’s like to feel good, but physically I haven’t felt it in a long time, just because it’s a nagging injury,” Bader said.’
nypost.com/2022/08/03/harrison-bader-has-big-yanke…
You can’t speak of “accurate” until you have the results.
Gee, look at this:
“Rockies outfielder Kris Bryant is currently in a walking boot due to a case of plantar fasciitis, and there’s no timetable for his return to the field, Patrick Saunders of the Denver Post writes within a broader look at another disappointing season for the Rockies.”
mlbtraderumors.com/#:~:text=Rockies%20outfielder%2….
No timetable for his return.
My point was Bird was already injury prone before that, based on an obvious number of injuries.
That alone isn’t why his Yankee career didn’t work out.
No idea what that Bryant injury has to do with this. Are you saying his career is over too?
The only evidence that shows is that this injury isn’t rare, which I never said it was.
I’m speaking of accurate because I , as well as probably most GMs can evaluate several factors at once, not just the ones that fit your particular narrative.
Anyone in here can take the easy route , and criticize GM’s and then when wrong, never be heard from again….kinda like the media.
I highlighted the relevance: “No timetable for his return.”
That’s relevant how?
Bryant’s injury is more recent and different players obviously react to injuries differently so…
You can’t say a projection was accurate until the results of the projection are a matter of fact.
And now you’re accusing me of obscuring my posting history when my predictions are wrong — again, based on what?
And are you a media-hater too? For those on the media-demonization bandwagon, I like to share this quote from Thomas Jefferson:
“The basis of our governments being the opinion of the people, the very first object should be to keep that right; and were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter. But I should mean that every man should receive those papers and be capable of reading them.”
Of course Jefferson detested misinformation in newspapers and said so. But he recognized that journalism was necessary in a democracy.
So . . . you posted: ‘Key term— “can be”, but more than likely not’; i.e., more than likely Bader’s plantar fasciitis will not prove to be a long-term, recurring injury. Again, on what do you base your prognosis?
You want to take the optimistic view of Cashman’s moves. Cool. I won’t ever fault you for being optimistic. I’m more pessimistic because I’ve seen in the recent past a sequence of repeated postseason failure by Cashman’s teams.
If your optimism is rewarded, I’ll be delighted.
Ok now this is a whole different issue.
I’m simply accusing you, in your plethora of anti-cashman rants as being entirely one-sided and not looking at all the facts just to match it up to your narrative.
And yes, I think how the media conducts itself in 2022 is shameful.
I agree with Jefferson’s perspective, however now the media in many cases, works in the interest FOR the government so things have changed.
And to everyone, I’m not a Trump fan or a Republican so Please refrain from the typical recycled replies. Thank you.
1) if it DOES become a long term issue, then Cashman is culpable , but simply hoping it will because you don’t like Cashman isn’t really a factor.
2) if you’re a baseball fan and don’t realize that the playoffs by now can be very random, then I don’t know what else to say.
3) so you credit the players for always getting to the playoffs, then blame Cashman when they don’t win in them?
You’re looking on the bright side; I’m looking on the dark side. We’re both trying to support our positions. I guess that’s what they call “a discussion.”
I previously acknowledged, before the trade deadline, that Cashman’s offseason moves had succeeded spectacularly and that I’d been wrong to fault them. You can look it up if you care to. What’s changed is simply this: I’m disappointed in the moves he made at the deadline. I’m not confident in Montas’s ability, and the loss of innings-eating Montgomery for a center fielder in a walking boot seems foolish to me.
How it plays out, we’ll both just have to wait and see.
Don’t be ridiculous. Nobody, certainly not me, is “hoping” Bader is crippled.
You have the gall to tell me “Please refrain from the typical recycled replies,” and then you accuse me of being so petty that I want a Yankee player to be crippled so I can gloat at Cashman’s folly?
Now you’re just being a defamatory jerk. I’m done responding to you.
I’m not supporting a position at all, I wouldn’t have even made the trade. I’m simply taking a more open-minded approach and expecting that Cashman did his homework on Bader’s medical issues.
But to highlight what I previously stated about the players: if Hicks did his job, there wouldn’t be a need for Cashman to make this trade.
That’s not what I said at all but feel free to insult strangers on a sports site if you want.
1)You obviously don’t want the trade to work so you can say — see!! I was right ! Cashmsn sucks!
When did I say you wanted him crippled? What in the world lol.
2) FYI, when someone points out obvious ethical issues with the media, the knee-jerk response is to ridicule some one as a “Trumper” or something stupid…. Which is why i started that sentence with “AND TO EVERYONE”, not directed at you.
@FinkPloyed
You’re a soft one huh dude?
Grow up
@Fink Ployed
Cmon man, don’t make stuff up to get out of a discussion because someone makes valid points. You sound like a whining little kid.
I made nothing up, buttinski:
“if it DOES become a long term issue, then Cashman is culpable , but simply hoping it will because you don’t like Cashman isn’t really a factor.”
The “it” he’s referring to here is Bader’s plantar fasciitis, which he’s claiming I hope will be a long-term issue so I can say Cashman made a mistake acquiring him.
Learn to read, learn to understand what you’re reading, and then learn to mind your own business.
@DarkSide830- I agree with what you said, and that outfielder at AAA is Estevan Florial. Is this poor kid ever goin’ get a chance in pinstripes? Doubt it. Smh
The NYY were not looking for a bench player for late inning defense or pinch running. They traded for a Gold Glove Everyday starting CF. That’s not Florial.
They traded for a guy in a walking boot suffering from an injury that isn’t guaranteed to get better anytime soon and could be a reoccurring problem.
@Joe says… that trade made absolutely no sense. It definitely shows though that the Yankees thought they finally had a taker for Hicks, and that they thought they we’re adding a quality starter. With Hicks gone, Florial/Andujar would have been added back to the roster. Not going to judge Montas yet on one start though. We’ll see.
In his typically short stint in the bigs in 2021, Florial rated 1 Out Above Average in center field, same as Judge this year, and 94% Success Rate with a 6% Success Rate Added. He ranks #6 in wRC+ this right now among all qualified Triple-A center fielders.
You don’t know what your talking about at all. Florial can play all 3 outfield positions, and will win a gold glove one day if he’s actually playing. Smh. If Florial came up right now he would be the Yankees best outfielder defensively.
I think Cashman is one step ahead of the rest, he was spot on with his pick ups at the deadline. He picked up 2 gold glove outfielders, not prospects in AAA. He picke up a #2 pitcher in and 2 quality relief pitchers. Now it is up to the player to bring it home.. Hoping for a subway series, but with deGrom and Scherzer I am not sure it is a good thing to hope for
Slider: I certainly hope you’re right about Cashman. It wouldn’t surprise me if you are, but it certainly doesn’t seem that way at the moment given recent history. His trades have been very, very good overall, except I wonder about dumping so many Farm arms at once. Either way, I’m going to allow time and results to determine how he’s done. Here’s to hoping Cash is the best GM in MLB, my friend! Go Yankees!
I thought I read that Cashman was in his last year of contract and if so I would not bring him back. 1 Championship in 13 years is Embarrassing for a team with the highest payroll in baseball.
Had my Tige’s traded away Tarik Skubal, I’d have been PISSED!!!
They heard. That’s why they nixed it.
Has this article disappeared from anyone else’s main dashboard? I couldn’t find it and had to do a Yankees-specific search to locate it. It still doesn’t populate on my main article dashboard for some reason.