The Giants hold a $13MM club option over third baseman Evan Longoria — the final possible season on a six-year, $100MM guaranteed deal that Longoria originally signed with the Rays. Because of a hefty $5MM buyout on the option, it’s actually “only” a net $8MM decision for the upcoming season. Still, USA Today’s Bob Nightengale writes that the Giants are planning to opt for the buyout, which would make Longoria a free agent for the first time in his career.
That doesn’t necessarily close the books on Longoria’s time in San Francisco, however. President of baseball operations Farhan Zaidi said last week there’s “absolutely” a place for Longoria on next year’s Giants, even as the team strives to get younger on the whole. Per the San Francisco Chronicle’s John Shea, Longoria is open to negotiating a return at a lesser rate. That meshes with Nightengale’s report, which indicates that Longoria’s preferences in free agency would be San Francisco, Tampa Bay or Arizona.
With the decision at a net $8MM, simply picking up Longoria’s option would be plenty defensible. Despite celebrating his 37th birthday just this past Friday, he remains a productive hitter, having enjoyed a renaissance with the bat over the past couple seasons. In 589 trips to the plate dating back to Opening Day 2021, Longoria has turned in a .252/.336/.466 batting line with 27 homers, 30 doubles, a 25.6% strikeout rate and a 10.5% walk rate. That said, his exit velocity, hard-hit rate, strikeout rate and walk rate in 2022 all took a step back from their 2021 levels, and this year’s overall offensive output was down a bit from last year.
As one would expect for a player moving into his late 30s, Longoria has also seen his defensive ratings begin to slip. Early in his career, he was one of baseball’s best defensive players at any position, and Longoria managed to sustain slightly above-average grades at the hot corner even in his mid-30s, posting positive Defensive Runs Saved, Ultimate Zone Rating and Outs Above Average marks as recently as 2020. In 2022, he posted a -4 DRS mark and was a scratch defender, per both UZR and OAA.
Even with the slight downturn in 2022 production on both sides of the ball, Longoria remained productive with the bat. He could be particularly adept in a more limited role that shields him from top-tier righties but gives him plenty of time against left-handed pitching. Over the past two seasons, Longoria has tormented southpaws with a .295/.379/.536 batting line in 211 trips to the plate. His .229/.307/.429 line against same-handed pitchers is more pedestrian but still roughly league average output.
A more sheltered role could have the added benefit of limiting Longoria’s reps slightly in an effort to keep him healthy. Zaidi alluded to that last week, rhetorically asking “one of the questions for us with Longo, and it’s a question for him as well, at this point in his career, what’s the appropriate workload and what’s the appropriate role?” (link via Evan Webeck of the San Jose Mercury News). Longoria has spent a notable chunk of time on the injured list in each of the past two seasons, appearing in just over half the Giants games (170 of 324).
Assuming Longoria does head back to the open market, he’ll be one of the better players available in the third base class. Nolan Arenado would obviously be the prize of the position if he opted out of the final five years of his deal with St. Louis. Otherwise, the class is comprised of veterans who could be brought back on team options (i.e. Longoria, Justin Turner and Josh Harrison) and multi-positional types (like Brandon Drury and Jace Peterson).
SFBay314
Thank you. The pleading through the media was bad enough. Cut to Brandon Belt in the TV booth “randomly” also talking about how he wants to come back.
Love both players but the IL stints are too long at this point in their careers.
Nevrfolow
He’ll be back for 10 million
HalosHeavenJJ
Edit: you are talking $10 million deal in total not $10 million after the buyout, which would make no sense.
Deleted Userrr
Surely not. It’s an $8m decision so if the Giants wanted to pay him $10m they’d pick up the option.
HalosHeavenJJ
The option is for $13 million. There’s a $5 million buyout.
In order for Longoria to be brought back at a total cost of $10 million, the Giants would need to decline the option then pay him $5 million in salary next year.
Highly unlikely Longoria doesn’t at least test free agency once he has the $5 million buyout in hand.
Cincyfan85
That’d be awesome to see him go back to Tampa Bay!
Redwolves3
Tampa Bay would be a good landing spot for Longoria. He owns homes in Tampa Bay and Arizona.
Zaidi has said multiple times Giants need to get younger. Now’s the time to give Villar a real opportunity to play 3B. And also further prepare Schmidt to join Giants.
debubba
Do you move the current 3B to 1B? Not sure I like that defensive strategy for Tampa.
Jacksson13
SURPRISE ! SURPRISE !! SURPRISE !!!
Jacksson13
“Farhan Zaidi said last week there’s “absolutely” a place for Longoria on next year’s Giants, even as the team strives to get younger on the whole.”
SOUNDS SO MUCH BETTER THAN:
Don’t let the door hit you on the way out !!
Yanks4life22
Wouldn’t be shocked seeing him in a 1b/3b bench role for a contender next year. Also wouldn’t be shocked if it were the Astros.
hiflew
I think with him being one of the top players on the 3B market, he will probably get more than $8MM on the open market for one year. If the Giants truly want him back, they should pick up the option. Maybe they should try and coax a 2/20 extension before they decline the option.
Samuel
hiflew;
The man had a 1.3 fWar in 298 PA’s during 2022. His offensive numbers have been below average since 2018. He’s made 798 PA’s in the last 3 years. He’s a 3B / DH, and maybe can play some 1B.
Had a wonderful career in Tampa Bay. As per usual, they knew when to move a player.
There are many teams out there that have extraneous infielders that can play 3B – some of them young, cheap, healthy, and with possible future upside. If a team needs a 3B they can probably get one in trade for a reasonable return, and won’t even have to pay a salary of $4m. It seems that playing part-time for the Giants might be best for Mr. Longoria if they’re truly interested.
giantsphan12
@hiflew,
Steve Adams said Longo would be one of the better options on the 3B market, yes. But what he didn’t say is how thin the 3B FA market is going to be this offseason. With no disrespect, you must not watch the Giants. Longo has never been “great” in his time in SF. He was Great in Tampa, but not SF. He had moments of greatness paired with lots of time on the IL. Seems like a cool guy, and a once-great player, but the Giants’ faithful will have Farhan’s **s if he gives Longo TWO years, regardless of price. Farhan did it last offseason with Belt (got the QO) and Crawford (2/36). We just got burned by both of those contracts. No one in SF wants anymore aging veterans (unless Buster wants to come back). Only way Longo plays in orange and black next year is if he is willing to take 2-4MM on top of his $5MM BUYOUT (as in 7-9MM max)…IMO.
tedtheodorelogan
This is the correct take, Phan.
Samuel
“Steve Adams said Longo would be one of the better options on the 3B market, yes. But what he didn’t say is how thin the 3B FA market is going to be this offseason.”
giantsphan12;
Steve Adams tends to do things like this…..
The market he’s talking about is the FA market. The off-season market includes players that may be available in trades (as I alluded to above).
Example….
The Brewers are about to make some major changes, and I believe they’re done waiting on Luis Urias. Urias is 25 years-old and isn’t a FA until 2026. His offensive production in 2022 was similar to Longoria’s. However, he’s a much better fielder at this point in their careers, and can even fill in at SS and 2B if needed. He’s coming up for arbitration with a projected salary of just over $4m.
Now, to get Urias the Giants will have to trade a player – probably a decent pitching prospect or two….maybe a young catcher (might the Brewers be interested in reworking Bart? They have a very good track record redoing catchers). Of course the Giants are giving up trade capital. But the thing is this: Urias is 25 years-old. If he doesn’t work out for the Giants over the next year or so they can still move him for a prospect or two…unless he totally disintegrates as a player. And of course, if they can get magic out of guys like Flores, Ruf, Yastrzemski, and Wade Jr., then it’s not far fetched that this might be a way to go.
hiflew
The thin market is the exact reason I believe he will get more than that. There will be teams that have a need at third. In a normal year, you are probably right. But with a thin market, team that have a need might just be willing to pay up to get Longoria for a year as a stopgap. He is not the player he once was, but he is still good enough to be a quality big league starter. Not All Star level by any means, but solid enough to help a team win.
Jean Matrac
I agree with what you say, but if there is a team in need, I don’t think they’d want someone that has only been able to play half the time over the last 2 seasons. If they have a need, they’ll need someone who can stay healthier than that. And at 37, I don’t think that’s a gamble I’d want to take.
SamtheMan!
@hiflew
Doubt that. Availability is key. Longo isn’t even durable enough to play everyday anymore if you ignore the poor splits.
Add onto the fact that he’s made a bunch of money and has destination preferences—I’ll hammer the under.
Bet he goes for 4
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Tom the ray fan
Bring him back to Tampa! Pujlos 2.0 with thr rays lol maybe has a little something left in the tank can’t hurt to have a vet around
Codeeg
Not a giants fan, but the fact that he’s been with the Giants for 5 years and it almost feels kinda like a blurry memory already says enough about his performance for me.
Heckuva career and hope he gets a chance somewhere if he still wants to play.
sfgiantsguy
Giants fans think this is the end of Longoria on SF? Nah, they’re declining the option for 13M, but they’ll like re-sign Longo to a more team friendly contract. He gets the 5M buyout and then maybe Farhan signs him to a 1-year 2.5M contract so he gets 7.5M total instead of 13.
Longo has already been on record to being open to something like that. I will be shocked if this is the end of the road for these two together.
Sid Bream Speed Demon
That’s a lot of hassle to save literally $500k.
iverbure
Sid bream is bad at math
Mi Casas es tu Casas
Some of the responses here are reminders there is no minimum age requirement to post.
davemlaw
Longo just turned 37 and had an .812 OPS versus LHP. Not Bad.
Villar is 25 and had a .978 OPS versus LHP. And he’ll cost the league minimum in 2023.
Put Villar in a platoon with Crawford ($16M in 2023) at 3rd base and call it good.
Sabean Wannabe
Villar had an .897 OPS in Sept/Oct (101 PAs). Small sample size for sure but promising.
Mystery Team
But he and Belt handle the Giant’s IL with honor and pride.
TimLincecum55
Longoria’s WAR of 1.3 over the 89 games he played in should merit 8M if Flores was able to get the same money for similar WAR (1.5) over 151 games. Just saying…
Baseball77
I wasn’t a big fan of Flores’ extension. He seems a bit overrated. He hits a lot of home runs for a middle infielder but his defense suggests 1st base/DH, where his hitting isn’t that great.
I realize most of it may be political, but I find it weird how FZ talks about changes need to happen to this team but he seems to suggest that every pending free agent he’d love to have back and that he won’t non tender guys like Yaz. How can the team get better if everyone is brought back?
SamtheMan!
Flores got 2/13. So a bit less.
He’s also 31 and more versatile. Didn’t love that extension because the good teams find guys like Flores on the cheap. Not pay market rate.
TimLincecum55
You’re right on the 6.5M per year (fangraphs shows 18.5M for 2023-2024 but that factors in his 2025 player option). I wouldn’t say he is more versatile as Flores is a defensive liability wherever he is positioned on the field and should only be used as a DH next year. Longoria still plays an average 3B. Zaidi handing out multiyear contracts to middling players (la Stella, Disco, Flores) reeks of Sabean moves from years past.
SamtheMan!
Disco didn’t work out but in the same vein as the Cobb deal that did work out. Too early to call though. We barely saw Disco last year so he may turn that around.
Giving out guarantees to the middling utility guys like Flores and La Stella always really puzzles me. These guys are bat first utility players who can put a glove on but aren’t very good anywhere.
These are the kind of guys that good teams just have in their farm system. Not guys you give multi-year deals too.
Highest IQ
I’m so super duper extremely shocked
bpskelly
He’s never been great for the Giants. Good? Sure.
I pretty much think he’s done in SF. The math with the buyout would make it tricky to come back if he’s let go.
I don’t think they’ll be a huge market for him, but there certainly will be a market.
There’s not a ton of true “starting” 3B types out there, and his days of being that are probably starting to dwindle.
He’ll have a job somewhere though.
davemlaw
With Villar putting up decent numbers and Schmitt coming soon there’s no need to keeping running Longo out there. If he put in the work and conditioning in the off season he will land somewhere and get a decent contract. But the injuries and sometimes lax at bats just won’t cut it anymore. Great glove though.
A Villar/Crawford platoon at third to go with Trea Turner or Dansby Swanson at SS, that’s what I’m talking about. No on Bogarts or Correa.
Jean Matrac
I dislike that concept, that after the sunk cost, it’s only $XM. It depends on the situation. If the Giants had a young core, and Longo was available more than half the time, he might be worth a net of $13M for his mentoring, clubhouse presence, etc., but neither of those things exist.
I disagree with Steve that no one could fault the Giants for paying the addition $8M. But the bottom line is it’s still $13M for a player whose value is nowhere near that. Especially for a team whose stated goal is to get younger and more athletic. And saying he’s one of the better options, is only in regard to FAs, a particularly weak class.
Longo was okay when he was available, but over the past 2 years he’s been unavailable for about half the games. He might be healthy next season, but at age 37, betting that he will be seems foolish. Especially for an older team trying to get younger.
sacball
Casey Schmitt would probably be more productive at league minimum next year…
prov356
Longoria is 37, injury prone, and on the decline? He’s a perfect fit for the Angels’ strategy. He and Rendon can tag team IL stints.
fljay73
Would Tampa decide to nontender Choi & sign Longo for around $6-7mil instead? The Rays have enough players to play 1B on their current roster already.
GarryHarris
It’s ridiculous to assume that young players want to be mentored by retiring veterans. That’s not how the majority of young people see an older generation.
The market for 3B isn’t as strong as reported here. The supply is strong with Rafael Devers, Nolan Arrenado, Justin Turner, I don’t see SFG, NYY or NYM as players since they all need SPs. STL, LAD and NYY will stay in-house.
GarryHarris
I hit send before I edited this. Devers is not a free agent but I suspect he’s traded like Mookie Betts was.
sacball
Casey Schmitt could start the year on the big league club and be more productive at league minimum than Longo would be at age 37…
User 1580013680
He’ll sign a one year deal to return o Tampa
giantwarrioras49ersraiders
8million can get a decent player??? Longo cannot stay healthy