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Blame Bob Nutting
Think of it as a couple. When it’s not working out it’s a time to move on from Cincinnati and change team name. Start fresh and find new lover (fans).
Your are a moron it’s not the fans the Reds are the 1st baseball team ever. It’s not the fans. It is bad management and the fans are fed up. So what this tells me your the type of person that sells hamburgers, and tells me it’s filet mignon. So if you were the owner I would tell you to sell that shi## in another city.
Are you insane? I don’t know who you root for but the Reds are baseball.
Rule #1:
An MLB team doesn’t come out of a rebuild after signing a bunch of free agents to multi-year contracts.
The Orioles and Guardians started coming out of a rebuild in 2022 and will continue in 2023. They began sorting though a large amount of young players in 2022, giving them playing time and beginning to determine who can fill what roles. More tweaking will be done in 2023. A few veterans will be added – probably one starting pitcher for each team – but they’re not giving out multiple multi-year contracts to multiple veterans from other teams at this point.
I think people are being a little too harsh on the Castellini family. Have they made some moves that didn’t work out? Sure, but they’ve made some good ones too.
The team’s payroll since they became owners has been fair (or better compared to other small market teams). They went for it when they got Trevor Bauer and then signed Moustakas/Castellanos. I’m not convinced that they would have tried to decrease payroll if COVID and 2020 never happened. They tried to build for the future with some spring trades this year, while hoping to remain competitive. A reload hopefully, not a rebuild. It was pretty disastrous.
Point is, I think they’ve been trying.
I think that is a fair assessment.
I believe fans tend to think baseball owners, especially in smaller markets, make more money than they do. They also spout off attendance and how winning is more profitable… in some cases that’s true, in other not so much
An article came out recently that the Reds had their lowest attendance in Great America history.. but that attendance was only down approximately 200,000 from 2019 when they were entering their window…
Assuming each fan spends an estimated $100, that is a negative 20 million in profit. However, the Red typically when rebuilding hover around 100 million. I’m 2020, their payroll was to ballon to over 165 million. That’s actually if all things remained equal a net loss of 45 million dollars. Playoffs recoup some but I’m not it would offset 45 million.
The Reds have dropped 1.1M paying fans in less than a decade because they are incompetent.
They most definitely aren’t being too harsh on the Castellini’s. They have proven they don’t know how to stick to a plan or build a winner. And then their silver spoon son came out and told the fanbase to deal with it, because they could move the team.
4 playoff appearances and 5 winning seasons in 17 years. Bob personally meddling in trades. Team constantly changing course. No, the city has been WAY too kind to that turd and his family
This team will be really young next year. There is hope though. A core of Stephenson, India, Greene, Lodolo is a good start. Hopefully CES, EDLC, and Collier will be the real deal. This teams future looks bright
Many debates can happen about this owners track record with the Reds. Most will say there’s little to show much success. I am one of those. But this is the first time this franchise has shown the ability to execute a meaningful rebuild. Granted it’s only the first step but they traded assets at peak value instead of holding them until value was gone. By most accounts they received some good talent in return. After next year when Votto and Moose contracts are complete is the time to acquire a few key free agents to compliment the talent from the minors and something special could happen. We will see if the current owners are up to the task or not but the foundation is there