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Rays Notes: 40-Man Roster, Trades, Choi, Kiermaier

By Mark Polishuk | November 13, 2022 at 11:04pm CDT

Several teams are facing a 40-man roster crunch this winter, with the Rays in particular facing a lot of tough decisions due to the depth in their talented farm system.  As such, MLB Network’s Jon Morosi (Twitter links) reports that the Rays have been “in advanced trade negotiations” and could make multiple deals before Tuesday’s deadline to set 40-man rosters in advance of the Rule 5 Draft.  The Reds, Cubs, Mets, and Angels are among the teams who have called the Rays in search of pitching.

Any number of options could be on the table for a Tampa Bay front office that is always seeking roster and payroll flexibility.  It is possible and even likely that the Rays might not swing any major deals, as Tampa might first be exploring the trade value of any players at the back end of their 40-man roster.  Before leaving these players unprotected or maybe even non-tendering them or designating them for assignment, the Rays first want to check if anything can be obtained in exchange for these somewhat expendable pieces.

A more interesting wrinkle would see the Rays discussing trades involving prospects or part-time players who might also be a bit superfluous within the organization.  Last November, the Rays dealt Louis Head, Mike Brosseau, Brent Honeywell Jr., and Tobias Myers in separate trades in the week prior to the 40-man deadline.  Of that group, only Brosseau had some success at the MLB level in 2022, posting some solid numbers in a reserve role with the Brewers.

Of course, the biggest headline-grabber for the Rays would be a trade involving a regular on their Major League roster, and this possibility certainly can’t be ruled out given Tampa’s history of aggressive deal-making.  The Rays have a very large arbitration class that they’ve already reduced to “only” 16 remaining players, after trading Ji-Man Choi to the Pirates and parting ways with Nick Anderson and Roman Quinn.  None of the arbitration-eligibles are projected to earn truly huge money, but every dollar counts for the budget-conscious Rays, and Yandy Diaz ($5.4MM in projected salary), Ryan Yarbrough ($4.2MM) and Randy Arozarena ($4MM) are the most expensive of the bunch.

Yonny Chirinos is projected for $1.6MM and Shawn Armstrong for $1.4MM, and those two hurlers stand out since Morosi reported earlier this week that the Rays were discussing Chirinos, Armstrong, and Yarbrough during the GM Meetings.  It isn’t known if the Reds, Angels, Cubs, or Mets were focused on any of this trio in particular, but any of those pitchers could be potential fits for teams with rotation or bullpen needs.  Chirinos could carry the most intrigue, as the right-hander pitched well in 2018-19 before injuries (a Tommy John surgery and a fractured elbow) limited him to just 18 1/3 MLB innings since the start of the 2020 campaign.

Choi’s projected $4.5MM salary certainly played a role in his move to Pittsburgh, and the Rays were known to be talking to more than just the Pirates about the first baseman.  Marc Topkin of the Tampa Bay Times reports that the Padres and Astros also had some interest, with Houston revisiting their interest in Choi from prior to the trade deadline.

The Astros ended up adding Trey Mancini to bolster themselves at first base, but since Mancini and Yuli Gurriel are both free agents, it makes sense that the Astros would again check in on a past target.  Likewise, the Padres have a need at first base with Josh Bell hitting the open market.  Choi is scheduled for free agency himself next winter and thus probably wouldn’t have been seen a longer-term add for either team, or even a full-time option.  Either Houston or San Diego might have opted to just play Choi against right-handed pitching.

Also from Topkin’s notes column, he had an interesting wrinkle to the end of Kevin Kiermaier’s tenure in Tampa Bay.  There was no doubt that the Rays were going to buy out Kiermaier for $2.5MM rather than exercise his $13MM club option for 2023, yet Kiermaier said that he heard an unknown team had some talks with the Rays about a veritable sign-and-trade deal.  In this scenario, the Rays would have exercised the club option and then swapped Kiermaier to this mystery team.

Given that Kiermaier is coming off a season shortened by hip surgery, it doesn’t seem likely that the other club would’ve been too keen to give up an asset to absorb that entire $13MM contract.  It is more probable that the other team perhaps offered another undesirable contract in return to help offset the cost, or maybe had Kiermaier involved as part of a larger trade package.  In any case, the Rays weren’t interested, and preferred to just decline the option — perhaps with an eye towards re-signing Kiermaier at a lower price.

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51 Comments

  1. .

    3 years ago

    Can’t believe Hee-Seop is still in the show!

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    • Yankee Clipper

      3 years ago

      I thought that was a drink….

      2
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      • .

        3 years ago

        No Clip you are just thinking of Kombucha!

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  2. Rsox

    3 years ago

    Gurriel will be 39 next june and coming off of his worst offensive season in the Majors so the question is go out on a high note and retire with after a second ring or take a minor league deal somewhere and try to keep going?

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    • stymeedone

      3 years ago

      Doubtful Gurriel would be given a starting job, but just as doubtful someone with his track record would not get a major league offer.

      Reply
  3. Yankee Clipper

    3 years ago

    “Rays have been “in advanced trade negotiations” and could make multiple deals before Tuesday’s deadline”

    It’s like smelling the pot roast cooking on a cool Sunday afternoon….

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    • LordD99

      3 years ago

      It’s a weirdly substance-free headline that’s also likely correct. Morosi wouldn’t even need to call anyone for it likely to end up being correct. In a related tweet, Morosi reports the sun will rise.

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      • Yankee Clipper

        3 years ago

        It also gets the juices flowing for the hot stove!

        Reply
  4. CrikesAlready

    3 years ago

    No articles about Fernando Ringworm Jr. having a motorcycle accident in the Dominican Republic yet.

    The Padres not extending Bell is quite telling. He must have ignored coaches, talked back or he’s asking for way too much $$$.

    1
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    • Jung Like My Daddy

      3 years ago

      You’re going places.

      Not college or any meaningful job.

      But you’re certainly going places

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      • FredMcGriff for the HOF

        3 years ago

        The only smart college to go attend these days if your paying yourself is to a 2 year community college. I know plenty of people who go spend big dollars on a 4 year degree than cannot hardly find jobs that equate to more than managing a restaurant:

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        • Jung Like My Daddy

          3 years ago

          Degree choice matters too.

          I agree though. It’s much smarter financially to attend a 2 year do your undergrad 100 200 level courses then switch to a 4 year to finish your bachelor’s. Much much cheaper.

          But again. Pick your degree wisely.

          Interpretive Dance expert of Mesopotamian cultures probably doesn’t have the same job market a biochemist, engineer, or even plumber electrician construction worker if you choose not to go to college. Which is totally acceptable.

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      • Yankee Clipper

        3 years ago

        Does a degree in MLBTR board discussions warrant anything?

        1
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        • Jung Like My Daddy

          3 years ago

          Hardy handshake
          Pat on the back
          And a job well done

          1
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    • Pete zahut

      3 years ago

      Wtf are you talking about?

      4
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      • .

        3 years ago

        LMFAO

        Reply
        • Yankee Clipper

          3 years ago

          Trumbo: “Licking My Front Areola….” O, What’s O?!

          2
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    • Rsox

      3 years ago

      Sure. The .192 BA, 3 HR’s, and 41 strikeouts after joining them couldn’t have anything to do with it…

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    • A'sfaninUK

      3 years ago

      @CrikesAlready Yeah yeah, you like white players more than non-white players, we get it, we dont care, your analysis will always be horrendous, 0/10 level. Stop talking.

      Reply
      • King Floch

        3 years ago

        Maybe I’m missing something, but you seem to be the only person here bringing up players’ races.

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  5. Jarred Kelenic's Beer Can

    3 years ago

    Anything can happen since it’s the Rays. I think they might go on a binge. Trade lots of their arbitration guys and the back end of their 40-man. Assuming Franco, Margot, Arozarena, Glasnow, and Lowe are staying put unless someone blows the Rays away with a huge offer. They have to do something one way or another though. Orioles are creeping up fast, Blue Jays are already contenders, we all know the Yankees and Red Sox usually never go down without a fight (massive spending spree).

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    • Edp007

      3 years ago

      Yes , anything can happen with the Rays. Especially they know the lack of offence killed them. Weak lineup to say the least.

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  6. Rsox

    3 years ago

    Injuries hurt more than anything. Wander Franco/Brandon Lowe/Mike Zunino combined to play only 184 games last season, how good would the offense have been if they had stayed healthy all season? And that’s to say nothing of all the time Margot and Kiermaier missed.

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    • Yankee Clipper

      3 years ago

      That’s true and we all know they will likely be more competitive this year. But, they are a sneaky team to grab someone like….. Contreras / Gallo, or something weird like that, and wreak havoc within the division.

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    • Carlos May's Thumb

      3 years ago

      Injuries matter.

      Reply
  7. Ignorant Son-of-a-b

    3 years ago

    The Rays: “I coulda been a contenduh!” Shaking their fist at the sky.

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    • StreakingBlue

      3 years ago

      The Rays need to move/sold to an owner with willingness to spend to win

      1
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      • mlb fan

        3 years ago

        the Tampa Rays need to find themselves an actual Major League quality baseball field/stadium more so than anything else…..Once they do this everything else takes care of itself, because they obviously know a little something about baseball in the Tampa front office.

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        • Poster formerly known as . . .

          3 years ago

          Well, the people of Miami-Dade already got scammed by Jeffrey Loria into funding a stadium he intended to sell. If former Goldman Sachs partner Stuart Sternberg wants a new stadium for his Rays, I’m sure he can get a loan, since his estimated net worth is $800 million — you know, instead of demanding that the taxpayers of Pinellas County pay for his for-profit sports arena, replicating Loria’s scam. Why should taxpayers who don’t give a damn about baseball fund a stadium so a guy with over half a billion dollars can get richer still?

          If you wanted to start a for-profit business where you live, would you expect your neighbors, who had no share in your potential profits, to pay to build your place of business? And if you did, do you imagine they’d agree to do so?

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        • fljay73

          3 years ago

          If you think a pro sports team owner is going to build a multi billion dollar stadium with the Florida Homestead Excemption around you better be ready to lose the Bucs, Dolphins, Jaguars, Magic & Lightning in the next upcoming decades. No owner is going to expose themselves to the non Homestead taxes on a multi billion dollar stadium. That’s why they prefer stadiums to be publicly built in Florida.

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        • alwaysgo4two

          3 years ago

          Let’s now wait for the obligatory commenter who’ll say…..”there’s nothing wrong with the Trop, besides, it has AC”…while not mentioning that they live 3 blocks away from the tin can warehouse.

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        • alwaysgo4two

          3 years ago

          Have you actually taken the time to research how many projects that my tax dollars fund that we/I don’t “give a damn” about? That street goes both ways.

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        • FloridaSportsGuy

          3 years ago

          I like the Trop and I live four hours away. What’s your point besides hating?

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        • A'sfaninUK

          3 years ago

          I dont care what you idiots say, the Trop is 100x worse than Oakland.

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        • Hello, Newman

          3 years ago

          Idiots??

          Your UK pompous high horse attitude is so enjoyable.

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        • CALgoldenBears

          3 years ago

          As a both a CALifornian and a Floridian, I strongly disagree. Oakland colosseum smells and leaks like a port a potty. That doesn’t include all the homeless surrounding the area before and after the game.

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      • Carlos May's Thumb

        3 years ago

        Rays seem to do just fine.

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      • stymeedone

        3 years ago

        They have a willingness to win, and the know how to win. Only accountants and agents worry about spending levels.

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  8. Gator50

    3 years ago

    Lots of chatter about the Cubs going after Kiermaier on the open market. They certainly could use a short term upgrade in CF, although I’m more than skeptical that Kiermaier provides it. He’s got ties to Chicago and the Cubs though, so it will likely happen.

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  9. fljay73

    3 years ago

    The Rays will probably end up making one big trade & smaller roster moves in the next 2 days.

    1
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  10. angelsfan4life

    3 years ago

    Angels could package Adell for a starting pitcher. That pitcher goes on to average 14 starts a season with the Angels with an ERA of almost 5. Adell could go to the Reys and start playing to his potential. And you will have Angels fans split. Half will claim the Angels won the trade. The other half, will say they shouldn’t have given up on Adell so quickly. Despite most of them are the ones saying trade him.

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  11. The Saber-toothed Superfife

    3 years ago

    Do you think the Tigers can trade Javier Baez somewhere? anywhere?

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    • The Saber-toothed Superfife

      3 years ago

      E-Rod?

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    • King Floch

      3 years ago

      Nope.

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    • solaris602

      3 years ago

      No, they’re stuck with him until there’s a year or two left, and they’re willing to eat most of it.

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      • This one belongs to the Reds

        3 years ago

        Surprised anybody gave Baez a long term deal.

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  12. madmc44

    3 years ago

    I’ve read with interest every comment–I like the Ray’s philosophy and am a die hard RSox fan. I would never trade with the Ray’s. They know who to trade, when to trade them and if they have an ounce of value that can help them win they will keep them.

    Think about the number of teams that have hired their front-office people. Every team wants to keep payroll under $100 M and still win. Cash is a very good manager. Buyer beware when dealing with the Rays.

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  13. Unclemike1525

    3 years ago

    It’s kind of interesting to me that this article mentions the Cubs as trade partners. The Cubs have just as many if not more 40 man problems than the Rays. That they would even be talking, Seems kind of unlikely to me, But I suppose stranger things have happened.

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    • Dogbone

      3 years ago

      It likely would depend on what each teams perceived value is, towards the players being talked about. That and positional needs of each team.

      Reply
  14. Lucky Strike

    3 years ago

    Recent history shows that the Rays drop their most expendable on the Twins before those players seek the highly coveted two-year college education.

    Reply
  15. Chris2215

    3 years ago

    LoL The other bad contract they speak of in the Kiermair situation sounds a whoooole lot like Paul DeJong. Would make a lot of sense to

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