The Mets and Orioles swung a trade late Wednesday night, with Baltimore acquiring James McCann and cash considerations for a player to be named later. New York is reportedly covering $19MM of the $24MM still remaining on McCann’s contract over the next two years. To create a spot on the 40-man roster, Baltimore designated infielder Tyler Nevin for assignment.
It looked like only a matter of time before McCann changed teams. New York agreed to terms with Omar Narváez on a two-year contract last Thursday. As soon as news of that agreement broke, it became clear the Mets were going to deal one of their incumbent backstops, with McCann the likeliest candidate. Neither McCann nor Tomás Nido could be sent to the minor leagues, and carrying three catchers on the 26-man roster would’ve been challenging. That’s before considering top prospect Francisco Álvarez, who figures to get an extended MLB look at some point soon after debuting late in the 2022 season.
McCann will secure his roster spot in Baltimore. The O’s entered the day with just one catcher on their 40-man roster, making it an inevitability they’d bring in some help from outside the organization. Of course, that backstop is AL Rookie of the Year runner-up Adley Rutschman. McCann will have to move into a backup role with the O’s.
The past couple seasons have been rough for McCann, who first joined the Mets over the 2020-21 offseason. New York placed a sizable bet on the veteran backstop’s previous couple seasons with the White Sox. The University of Arkansas product had hit .276/.334/.474 through 587 plate appearances for Chicago between 2019-20. That handily dwarfed the .240/.288/.366 mark he’d posted over the preceding four-plus seasons with the Tigers, and the Mets clearly felt he’d turned a corner offensively. They inked him to a four-year, $40.6MM free agent contract that beat most expectations.
New York gave McCann extended run in his first season, starting him at catcher for 97 of their 162 games in 2021. His production more closely resembled that of his Detroit days, however. He hit .232/.294/.349 over 412 plate appearances, connecting on just 10 home runs after hitting 18 longballs in his only full season with the White Sox. Nevertheless, McCann was back in the Opening Day lineup for the second season of the deal as the Mets hoped for a bounceback campaign.
That wasn’t to be, as he struggled with both underperformance and injury this year. The veteran fractured the hamate bone in his left hand/wrist in mid-May. He required surgery and lost six weeks to rehab. A few weeks after his return, he suffered a strain in his left oblique and went back on the injured list for a little less than a month. In between the health setbacks, he managed just a .195/.257/.282 line in 61 games. By the time the postseason rolled around, Nido was starting behind the dish. McCann was relegated to a depth role, while Álvarez was with the big league club in a catcher/DH hybrid capacity.
The past two seasons certainly aren’t what the Mets had envisioned when they signed McCann. As a result, they’re left to pay down a notable chunk of the remaining money on his contract. His deal was backloaded, with a $600K signing bonus followed by successive $8MM salaries in the first two seasons. He’s due $12MM in each of the next two years, the bulk of which will remain on the Mets’ ledger.
While New York only sheds $5MM in actual salary, the savings from the trade are a bit more than that for owner Steve Cohen and his front office. New York is going to shatter all four thresholds of the competitive balance tax, meaning they’re paying a 90% tax for every additional dollar they spend next season.
Tim Healey of Newsday tweets that New York’s CBT hit on McCann will recalculate to encompass the two years and $19MM they’re still paying — a $9.5MM average annual value. His contract had previously counted for $10.6MM against the team’s tax ledger (reflecting the AAV of his four-year deal), so they’ll shave roughly $1.1MM off their CBT number. That translates to $990K in tax savings this year. If they surpass all four CBT thresholds again next year, they’d be taxed at 110% on every dollar spent beyond the fourth threshold. Shaving $1.1MM off their CBT mark would pick up around $1.21MM in tax savings that season.
Paying down the deal makes it a reasonable proposition for the Orioles. A $5MM commitment spread over two years is minimal for a veteran catcher. Players like Mike Zunino and Austin Hedges have signed one-year deals in the $5-6MM range recently as free agents. Those players will take on a larger role in their new destinations than McCann will with the Orioles, but he’d have fit in that group were he available on the open market. The O’s are nowhere near the luxury tax threshold, so the money New York saves in that regard is of little consequence to the O’s.
There’s no question it’s Rutschman’s job, but McCann offers a respected and experienced voice behind him on the depth chart. After a few seasons of subpar pitch framing numbers, he has rated as a slightly above-average framer in two of the past three years. McCann doesn’t have a great arm, but he’ll bring competent receiving when called upon in Rutschman’s stead. A situational role could allow manager Brandon Hyde to work him in against left-handed pitching, against which he has a career .258/.325/.458 mark. They’ll presumably look to shield him from righties, who have limited him to a meager .237/.284/.351 line.
It’s a minimal financial hit for Baltimore, and the acquisition cost will be minor. It’s not likely the player to be named later will be a prospect of much renown, with the Mets not negotiating from a position of strength. For the most part, the swap is about the Mets clearing the roster spot and some money. Baltimore will plug the #2 catcher spot they’d been seeking to address.
Doing so means they risk losing Nevin, who was bumped from the 40-man roster. The son of Angels skipper Phil Nevin, Tyler briefly debuted in the majors in 2021, but the bulk of his MLB experience came this past season. He hit just .197/.299/.261 with a pair of home runs across his first 184 trips to the plate. Nevin appeared at all four corner positions but rated poorly in the eyes of public metrics for his work at third base.
Prospect evaluators have long considered Nevin more of a bat-first player, so his defensive struggles at the hot corner aren’t too surprising. Baltimore has stockpiled plenty of upper level talent in the infield that had surpassed or was likely to soon leapfrog Nevin on the depth chart. They’ll now have a week to trade him or place him on waivers.
While Nevin doesn’t have much MLB experience, he’s only 25 and has a more respectable Triple-A track record. The righty is a .246/.328/.417 hitter through 644 plate appearances at the top minor league level. Nathan Ruiz of the Baltimore Sun tweets the O’s were granted a fourth minor league option year, meaning any team that acquired Nevin could bounce him between the majors and Triple-A for another season.
Jeff Passan of ESPN first reported the Orioles were acquiring McCann. Mark Feinsand of MLB.com first reported the Mets were receiving a player to be named later and that the O’s were covering $5MM in salary.
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Worlds most overpriced backup
The Mets have to be paying the bulk of his remaining salary. There’s no way the Orioles will be taking on his $12M+ salary just to back up Adley. Maybe the Orioles pay him $2M and the Mets pay the rest? Will be interesting to see the deal terms once more is added to the article.
Os pay $5M over 2 years
Did you read the piece? It says that the Mets are paying $19 million of the remaining $24 million over the next two seasons.
He probably said that before the updated post.
@Blue Baron – Terms were not posted when I wrote my response, hence the last sentence of my post. I wasn’t far off. O’s picking up $2.5M per year; I had guessed $2M. It’s a good deal for Baltimore. $2.5M for an experienced backup catcher is a good price. McCann should perform better playing much less in Baltimore than he did in NY.
He won’t be playing less. He was hurt a lot.
Were you late that MLBTR breaks new before everything is final?
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Of course he will be playing less, the Os have that Adley guy:).
I think if he is mostly used against lefties and catches like 50 games while adley gets a day off or a day at DH to get some rest he can be a nice back up.
Omg…my type when drunk haha
Good for you! Now go get a life!
Nice ripping. Deserved.
Read the article because it’s all there
Correct worlds most overpriced backup. I am sure McCann doesn’t care what portion of his money is coming from which team.
Idk Yasmani Grandal makes a compelling case.
Is he the back up? If so it’s a strong case.
A Sandy Alderson special LOL who thought he was getting a bargain signing him instead of JT Realmuto
One thing the article completely missed on: McCann has a great arm not a poor arm.
The Mets can’t afford McCann anymore
Hahahahahaha Nice Cap..
@Trumbo- penny pinching Cohen. Lol!
He needs to make some serious acquisitions…No more paddy cake nonsense!
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Edit: The Mets can’t afford [to give] McCann [a roster spot] anymore.
Hopefully they didn’t have to attach any good prospects with him
They just had to attach 20 million.
If the Mets actually are looking to get any sort of salary relief in trading him, that would certainly diminish the quality of what they’d get in return. If they really have so much money to spend, and are all in on winning a World Series, they should be happy to also still pay for McCann to play for another team as long as they open up the roster spot for someone better than McCann.
They’re definitely paying some of this salary. They have to. He’s a very solid backup catcher. The Mets just paid him like he was an All-Star.
He pretty much was with the wsox. He played so well for the Sox for two seasons. Sometimes a change of scenery doesn’t always work out.
For 2019 and 2020? 2020 I’d a small sample size too.
Can someone clarify for what the “savings” for a team in the Mets tax bracket is if the are paying $19 of the $24 million still owed to McCann? They weren’t going to be able to get rid of without paying most of what’s still owed to him, so was this move primarily to open a roster spot? Thanks
@nitnontu-Since they are in the highest bracket it saves them 90%. So they save $5m that the O’s picked up plus an extra $4.5m that they would’ve paid in in the tax.
Yes. Not much savings here, but the Mets had too many men on the roster. This solves that issue.
Yes, if nobody took him in a trade they would’ve bought him out anyway. Even getting $1 for him is a plus. Narvaez was just signed and Nido was a Gold Glove finalist. Plus Álvarez as the #1 prospect is almost ready to take the reigns. There was no place for McCann on the team.
McCann’s contract is for $40.6M over four years. This counts as $10.15M AAV per year against Mets’ total payroll. As the Mets are at a 90% tax rate and probably for ’24 as well, offloading $2.5M per year of McCann’s contract saves them that plus $2.25M in luxury tax this year and next.
I don’t believe that is entirely true. They saved 5M in LT off the original 42M contract, leaving 37M. Divide that by 4 equals 9.25M AAV versus 10.15M. If I understand the LT tax rules correctly they only save a little under 1M per year on the LT.
They are saving five million on what’s left. They are not paying the Mets for what was already paid. It’s 2.5 million each of the next two years.
It adjust when you trade a player. So you have to look at this as a two year deal now. He was owed 24 over 2 years. So it’s 24-5=19m. Which means the tax hit for the mets is 9.5m a year for the next 2 years. Basically saves almost nothing from lowering his tax hit since it was just over 10m before.
Why? To flip him or move him to first?
Or to be backup catcher
I was just thinking, for the Orioles, that’s an expensive backup catcher, but that was before the full article came out. Since the Mets are paying for him, it’s seems a better fit now.
The unthinkable has happened!
Remember when people were laughing at the Phillies for extending BCIB cause the Mets signed Mcann……at much less $’s…
No…but I bet Pepperidge Farm remembers.
Cohen is a cheapskate.
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Haven’t seen anyone communicate in morse code for a while on here.
Never forget when official Mets Twitter proclaimed McCann was better than Realmuto. This was a real thing that happened.
The obvious PED juiced contract year was better than Realmuto, just not the rest 🙁
Who is the starting catcher now for the Mutz?
Read the article dude, my god…
You have two backup catchers now. Narvaez is a joke. That’s my point but it went over your head.
Narvaez and nido. Alvarez a little more seasoning I would think. By May he can be the dh/c
It wasnt McCann to begin with. They signed Narvaez and Nido was a Gold Glove finalist and they also have the #1 prospect in baseball.
@Chris G. Not the consensus No. 1. Only according to MLB dot com. According to Baseball America, it’s Gunnar Henderson. So no, the Mets do not have the number 1 prospect in baseball.
Then nobody does by that logic. They have who MLB rates as number one. And BA has him number 6. So he is MLB top prospect and one of the top in the game by most outlets.
I dunno, Moreno has, is and probably will play MLB games this year, so technically probably not a prospect.
Never heard of this newfound NYM C prospect who’s suddenly going to be better than Rutchman before ever sniffing a taste of MLB action, will probably never sniff a NYM clubhouse unless he’s traded to an NL team.
Sorry not to be cynical but man, Mets fans are getting a little silly now thst Stevie is drunk with power
From what I’ve read Pittsburgh has the best catching prospect. Regardless of what MLB rankings say
dude he’s been ranked in the top 10 in almost every respected prospect ranking since the beginning of last season, it’s not like this is some random guy Mets fans are pumping up
Well Alvarez is 20 and Rutchman is almost 25. Rutschman is by far the oldest ever number one prospect I can remember. True MLB greats don’t take that long to get to the league.
Unless he’s consensus No. 1, then it’s false to claim he’s No. 1. Period. He’s No. 1 in one outlet. Thus he’s not “THE” number 1 prospect in baseball. This isn’t hard.
That’s still not a consensus No. 1. It’s inaccurate to just rattle off “number 1 prospect in baseball.” Bordering on a lie. Being ranked in the top 10 by other outlets doesn’t make him a number 1 in those outlets now does it?
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KingOmar: I see your logic and it’s fair, albeit a bit of semantics on your end. Alvarez has been a very highly rated prospect since ‘21 (top 50 consensus) and jumped into the consensus top 10 to start ‘22. Players like Witt, Rutschman, Julio, and others graduated early in ‘22, and by mid-season, Alvarez had jumped to #1. It’s not Mets hyping a player up. But these lists mean nothing anyway. Let’s see how these young players step forward this year. I love that teams may be incentivized for letting rookies break camp. It’s going to be fun to watch the next wave of youngsters get their shot in ‘23. Cheers.
@H E Pennypacker – it is similarly semantical to claim the Mets have the # 1 prospect in baseball as a declarative. It’s far more nuanced than that.
Where did you read that Henry Davis is the #1 catching prospect?
Lol. Yeah, not like a global pandemic delayed his debut or anything.
Adley dealt with setbacks such as the covid year, the lockout year because he was on the 40 man, an injury or two, and a wee bit of contract manipulation by the FO. The FO is also very against rushing prospects. Adley would have easily been up by 23 if not for all of these things
You act like all publications always agree on their top 10 prospects. It’s rare that anyone can be claimed as a consensus number 1 at a point in time. He’s the number one prospect according to MLB.com and by Bleacher Report (as of September). Number 6 from BA. So it’s not “bordering on a lie.” It’s more truth than lie. I’m sure there were former number 1s who didn’t have every single publication ranking them as number 1, but still said top prospect in referring to them. It’s clear you’re trying to devalue a guy who’s clearly one of the top prospects in baseball, maybe because you don’t like the mets?
Do you want Met fans to say “the top prospect in baseball according to MLB and some other outlets?” He’s a top 5 prospect in baseball by most publications, and number one according to some. How’s that?
You’re ridiculous. How long do you think it took Rutschman to reach the Majors? He wasn’t some HS draftee taking half a decade in the minors to develop. He was drafted #1 overall at 21 out of college and played briefly later that summer as most draft picks do. Nobody played minor league ball in 2020 and he played his first full season as a pro in 2021. If he doesn’t have the arm injury during spring training last year Rutschman probably starts on Opening Day with the Orioles. How much faster could he have possibly reached the top level?
@Ma4170 What a crock of crap. He’s not consensus No. 1, so claiming he’s the number 1 prospect in baseball is inaccurate. Are you so dense as to not see that? Can’t make a claim that isn’t backed by facts!
@Mets6986 only an idiot would compare a HS draftee to a college one drafted the year before the pandemic.
But I don’t expect full rationality from Mets fans.
I want Mets fans to be accurate and not exaggerate with sweeping generalizations. Very simple.
Are your feelings really this hurt because Henderson isn’t not rated higher then him and Adley isn’t the catching prospect to end all other catching prospects?
Your the one spotting garbage telling us how bad Alvarez is. Get a grip. Alvarez didn’t need to go to college because he’s mlb ready now. So yes I give HS elite talent more props then college talent because elite baseball talent rarely goes to college.
Hysterical you calling me dense when you’re clearly that. Alright idiot, what do you want people to call him. “On average across all publications, the number 2.8 prospect.”
Is he number 1 by MLB rankings? Yes
By other rankings too? Yes
The crock of crap is you trying to convince people he can’t be referred to as the top prospect in baseball at all (when many articles already do)… what, unless there’s a formal vote by all publications on earth? This is a waste of time
All anyone has to say is “arguably the top prospect in baseball”… which is true
@Mets6986 are you really that shallow? It sure was fun watching your season collapse and Buck desperately trying to play childish games with Musgrove. How’d Atlanta’s dirt taste?
@Ma1470 and yet no one said that. He was labeled de facto, not arguably. Guess you can’t read…
Seriously, your organization has been the joke of baseball for awhile now and your comeback is the Mets lost in the playoffs.
But Adley went to college for four years while your guy was doing whatever he was doing.
No one ever claimed he was the “catching prospect to end all catching prospects.” Just that he’s better than your guy. Which he is.
That’s just as inaccurate as most of the other things you’ve been saying. At least you’re consistent.
@Mets6986 oh good one! Still the same number of divisional titles as the O’s last year… can’t wait til year four of Correa when you’re sitting on your thumb bitching about his four stints on the IL and still no WS
@They Live Your Mut Mom will be TPTBNL and will take over most of the catching duties. Mets are just waiting on her medical reports.
That C may currently be on the Jays roster
What’s Uncle Steve willing to part with for Jansen??
Nothing. The Mets signed Narvaez.
Yea and the Mets want to win too right
Would you go home with your C trades?
The Mets have 3 catchers.
The Jays have one catcher with 2 years till FA. One out of shape
guy that ran out of gas catching 70-some games in 2022. And one prospect that looks interesting but hasn’t proven anything at the
In short – the Jays haven’t moved a C because they want a lot for each one and none is worth much more than a prospect or an overpaid veteran whose team is trying to dump his salary.
Would you just go home…… or just not here?
I think I speak for most when I say it’d be an awesome Xmas gift if you just dissappear
Man that isn’t true. Danny Jansen is a plus on both sides of the ball. Moreno is an interesting young catcher too.
Kirk? Well, he goes to the Prince Fielder school of conditioning. He simply doesn’t make sense. I have no idea what to expect from him. I wouldn’t have thought he’d still be playing catcher today but I’m wrong so far.
I don’t think they have to move any of them. But they’d draw interest. Jansen would be a plug and play starter on half the teams in baseball.
ML’er for ML’er deals aren’t terribly common & that is always a tough part of a trade.
Don’t think it’s because the Jays don’t have any interesting backstops. The teams that want Jansen probably don’t also want to trade you a major leaguer.
Moreno is still a prospect so he’d fit that window but the jays would probably have to try to extend Jansen if they’re going to deal him. because I can’t imagine Kirk is behind the plate his entire career.
I like Danny Jansen a lot. But he has 2 years of control and the Jays want far more than that’s worth.
Kirk wore down the last 1/3 – 1/2 of the season. Look at the numbers. Fielder played 1B and DH. Catcher is the most mentally and physically taxing position on a team. Doubt Kirk will old up…and I believe most MLB FO’s feel that way. If he does for a few years then they’ll offer something decent for him.
The fact is that this kid shows up on articles from every team trying to get people to come up with trades for one of their catchers. Then gets into circular arguments with them as he tries to convive them that their team needs to radically overpay.
The Jays haven’t traded a catcher to this point because they’re asking too much. They made the mistake of waiting, thinking some team would bite as the catching FA’s and Murphy came off the board. That’s happened. No team needs a catcher at this point. All they can do is hold onto the 3 and wait for a contenders catcher to suffer a major injury in the 2023 season…..and even then they’ll find teams that can offer catchers in trade for various reasons….a prospect pushed out a veteran, etc.
What are you talking about???
First, you PRESUME the Jays want “more value” than what Jansen is worth.
I can PRESUME that the Jays plan to keep Jansen long term as he actually fits the club and isn’t a bad D Catcher as well.
So that means the Jays are more likely to trade Moreno in a blockbuster and keep Kirk as the backup/DH
This “kid” has more Grey hair on his berries than your own father has on his head!!!
You PRESUME alot in your responses, speak as if you have inside information and also speak as if you’re smarter and better than everyone here when you’re probably one of the dullest bulbs in the box.
Having said that, and taking your verbal barbs as an attack, I’d gladly invite you to caress my hotdog and kick rocks
YOU try to ruin this site for the other posters by constantly being a prickly Cactus. Try to spin it however you want. As I said before. MLBTR would be granted an amazing gift if you just forgot your log in details and trolled elsewhere
They may have overplayed their hand.
Couple teams with possibilities though.
Angels and Cubs aren’t necessarily set. Both have young C’s that they might want to give the reigns too. Jansen wouldn’t be a bad add for either though. Giants also. Joey Bart is a K machine (like Zunino but without the elite D) and the media is dying for a move so I could see ownership meddling there.
I think it’s too early to call it a failure but we shall see. Enjoy your insights though, Samuel.
Drop the cubbies out!
1 more down!
The Mets just paid 80% of McCann’s salary to get him off the roster because they have 3 other catchers on their 40-man (recent FA signing Omar Narvaez, Gold Glove finalist Tomas Nido, and top prospect Francisco Alvarez.) Why would they give up assets to fill a hole that’s not there?
The Mets have to be eating most of this contract otherwise this makes zero sense.
Read the story, dude. It’s all there.
I commented that before the financial terms were reported. You see how the article has time stamps for updates? Use your brain man.
Use your brain and some manners to resist the temptation to get nasty.
You’re the one posting unnecessarily rude and condescending replies to multiple people on this thread. If you want to be respected, be respectful first.
Im with CN on this one. Quite often posters comment then the story above gets things added
Telling someone to read the story is unnecessary and also kinda rude
It’s also unnecessary to post before the story is finished.
So you’ve never discussed any kind of news, at any point in your life, before all info is known? Gonna call BS on that one.
I am with BlueBaron: while there may be updates and later revisions, we have far too many idiots who read the headline, skip the story and start hammering away in the comments. Or wr have far too many people who MUST comment before the story is even complete. This aint the hacks at CNN. Come on!
It’s pretty obvious which comments were prior to giving the update. Maybe it would be better if mlbtr has the full story before they post. A little common sense goes a long ways.
Cohen only pays the best?
Cohen only plays the best.
He pays anybody and everybody, including teams like the Marlins who benefit from the payroll tax
Mets already getting rid of bad contracts. We’ll see more of this over the years.
Nice! Sack of balls in return? I’m sure the Mets are paying down his contract as there’s no way the O’s would pay full price when they have Rutschman. Also, I don’t think the O’s have a comparable contract the Mets would take back since the Mets need the roster space.
For that price anyone should want him.
Eduardo Escobar has to be next
I’m leaning towards keeping Escobar. Great depth and dh with him.
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Agreed, they need to keep Escobar. He’s also revered in that clubhouse.
If they’re not going to use Escobar at 3rd, I think they should trade him. A few teams… The Tigers, for example, are in need of a 3B and Longoria is probably the best FA 3B still on the market. Mets could shed a little payroll and luxury tax and maybe get a prospect. They still have Vogelback to DH whose offensive production was pretty equal to Escobar’s,.
Why? He can fill in on the infield and DH.
The biggest reason is that he knows he is in a contract year and will probably not want to play as little as he is likely to play in NY in 2023.
He has a team option fir 2024. It’s not up to him.
Escobar mashed lefties last year, he’s a great platoon partner for Vogelbach.
Why? Escobar is exactly the guy we would want on the bench (back-up IF/DH) if we didn’t already have him.
You have to factor in whether Escobar WANTS to be a bench guy at this point in his career. He is not just a name on a computer screen, He is a real human being entering the last year of his contract. I am sure that he will want to put up as many numbers as he can in order to get another contract.
It’s not up to him.
OK, let’s run a scenario. Escobar is, as one commenter mentioned, very revered in the clubhouse. That could be a very good thing if Escobar is happy. That could also be a very bad thing if Escobar is unhappy.
Hiflew, what he wants is irrelevant. His contract says the Mets dictate when and where he plays.
They should look to dump Ruf next.
Escobar had a 120 OPS+ as a RH batter, he fits well as a RH platoon partner with Vogelbach at DH, and as a utility IF. Keeping him is a good move. Mets have improved at C, at 3B and at DH with a full season of Vogie with either Escobar or Alvarez as the RH compliment.
Oh no!!! How will they get Hendriks away from the White Sox without McCann, the centerpiece of all trades proposed by Mets fans the past couple weeks?
put it in the books
Literally not proposed by anyone
I seen it proposed.
[Feinsand] McCann had a limited no-trade clause that allowed him to block deals to five teams. According to a source, the White Sox were on that list, so the idea that McCann might be part of a deal for Liam Hendriks was a non-starter.
@Carausda Ohhh No!!!! How will the Mets get him!? their bullpen is already upgraded from last season. Mets will be fine with or without Hendricks clown. Loving all these crybaby Fans and all their salty comments. As if the Mets organization wasn’t one of the cheapest Big Market Franchises under the Wilpigs regime. Steve Cohen uses His Money as “Fun Coupons” All these haters wish Uncle Stevie was the owner of their respected team.
In 1962 Mets traded catcher Harry Chiti for a PTBNL. Indians sent Chiti back to the Mets as the player.
Lol. Fantastic callback.
Chiti, Chiti, Bang, Bang.
Did he get to play for Cleveland? That would be the ultimate rental player! Incidentally, I think the Mets just signed a bullpen coach named Chiti, or something like that, who’s a long time friend of Buck Schowalter.
Very good deal for the Os here with the Mets still on the hook for 19M.
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And a good deal for the Mets in saving $10M…
Roster spot + 10MM. McCann wasn’t going to rebuild value as the Mets likely 3rd catcher or worse.
Press eject and move on.
I don’t think we can judge the Mets on value for the money. Haha. That’s out the window in the Cohen era. But yes, getting the Os to pay 5M is nice for them. To be fair to McCann he’s certainly worth 5M.
Mets are only saving $5 mil total, not per year. Still a win getting any relief for him though as he would’ve just been bought out anyway.
Unless you’re factoring in the taxes on that of course.
$9.5M after taxes but who’s counting? Cohen certainly isn’t.
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Yeah, I was factoring in the taxes. Should have specified.
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The Mets get flack about Bonilla because 95% of the flackers don’t understand the time value of money. The other 5% just like to hear themselves talk.
Correct. If the Mets were forced to DFA him and he cleared waivers without being claimed, the only reduction in cost the Mets would get would be the league minimum that anyone paid him as a free agent. So, this is a win for the Mets in that regard. Also, the O’s have to provide something in return to complete the trade. I’m not sure if a player that was just DFA’d by one team but is still in the waiting period would have to be put on a 40-man roster as part of trade. If not, Phil Nevin’s son could be the player to be named later and sent to Syracuse. Otherwise, my guess is the Mets would get a tier 5 pitching prospect at the AAA level from the Orioles. Blaine Knight was ranked #46 in the Orioles’ system last season by Baseball Reference. He plays in the Mets’ old AAA home of Norfolk for the Norfolk Tides. When the AAA Mets played there, they were known as the Tidewater Tides. That’s why David Wright grew up a Met fan. He lived near that stadium. But I digress…
Ruf wouldn’t be as big of a loss in that regard because I believe there’s only $3M left on his contract. Someone may claim him for that or pick him up for the $750K minimum, I believe.
Thought they are paying 5. They’re paying 19 on the remaining 24. I assume that’s over 2 years if the original deal was 4/40
It’s simply roster clearing for the Mets. Saves them double the actual cost. They like Nido as the backup. Alvarez will force his way on the squad sooner rather than later.
Good backup for the O’s. That’s a bargain price and I’m sure it’s a relatively small “prospect”
Got you. Thanks for clearing that up.
James McCann, Brian McCann, Tom McGrann – all catchers. Somebody make a case that we’re not living in a simulation
Tom McAn was a shoe brand.
Vince McMahon retired tho
Against his will and is planning a comeback after his legal trouble is settled. He should stay “retired” though as HHH is much better for the talent, but I digress…
McCann is going to unhappy being relegated to backup duties. I wonder how Rutschman feels about this. I can see a short stay in Baltimore for McCann.
I mean they are only on the hook for $5m so maybe they flip him before the season starts. Could increase his value by doing good in spring training and there being some injuries on other teams. Virtually no risk for the O’s.
He hasn’t played well enough to have a say in it.
Would that make him James McCan’t?
It’d be quite a story if he found his swing and had a big comeback though.
Hope he does. He seems to be good person and it want a lack of trying.
He was essentially the backup last season. He only had 191 PA in 61 games while Nido had 313 in 98 games.
But a lot of that split was because he was injured.
Maybe the ptbnl is determined by McCanns happiness?
Halos will take him
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Tis the season for giving. Nice of Santa Cohen to give back to a small market team like the Orioles!
Mets sneak back under a 500M bill on the 23 payroll
I just checked Spotrac. The O’s are still paying Bobby Bonilla too!
You mean the Mets?
No he meant both of them.
The Orioles are still paying Bonilla also until 2028. They’re also paying Chris Davis until 2037 and Alex Cobb until 2035. Davis will make $9.2 mill and Cobb $4.5 mil next season. I believe they’ll be the 2nd and 4th highest paid players on the Orioles next season.
I never understood why the Mets get so much flack for Bonilla as every team has 5 or so guys they pay for decades. And Bonilla’s deferment is very mild compared to most.
Bruce Sutter retired in 1989 and the Braves paid him $1.12 mil a year every single season since until this year and he received a final $9.1 mil this year right before he passed away.
The Nats are paying Scherzer $15 mil a year until 2028 on top of the $43.3 he gets from the Mets. They’re literally paying an ace to be on their division rival.
The Bonilla deferral was a smart move. Having his current salary to invest was going to make them much more money than the deferred money. If only they were getting legitimate returns.
It’s just fun to celebrate Bobby Bonilla day as fans. I don’t blame the Wilpons for making that deal as they were drinking the Madoff kool-aid. Smarter people were also duped.
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The Mets get flack about Bonilla because 95% of the flackers don’t understand the time value of money. The other 5% just like to hear themselves talk.
They were getting Madoff returns, until 2008 , when they weren’t.
And Chris Davis until 2037.
Mets move on and free up the roster spot. Paying him off is chump change for Cohen.
Orioles get a veteran backup for free and hold onto the slim chance that McCann gets his groove back.
Good be a heck of a story. Hollywood could make a movie. How McCann got his groove back.
Brad Pitt or Denzel to play him!
Kevin Costner. He is due for a baseball movie.
Yeah…You got me there..
Costner has to be in 40% of 2023 death pools
What??? We predict FAs , not really much different
I dont have money on it………or???
You just reminded me of that Dirty Harry movie “The Dead Pool” haha
Jays – many years ago my bar ran a dead pool – sold out quicker than the superbowl boxes. One year one of the regulars passed away so, per pool rules, the celebrity ( if I remember correctly was Dean Martin) he picked won the pool and we mailed him a check and a letter explaining why they were getting the money.- never cashed the check. never wrote back.
You just reminded me of that Marvel Movie, Deadpool.
So Nido is their everyday starter now?
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Nido was effectively their everyday starter last year too. Now they have Nido, Narvaez as well as the top prospect in baseball at the position. And don’t sleep on Kevin Parada, college catcher likely to debut in 2024.
This is why NYM should be a perennial contender. Cohen willing to absorb sunk costs and get at very least a serviceable replacement. Chatter that certain contracts are gonna be an albatross – yes absolutely but Cohen doesn’t seem to care. He’ll just flush the toilet
The 500M spend on the 23 team didn’t give that away?
Haha. I think the 500 million dollar payroll will definitely do the trick. A monkey could run this team.
Just understand, no matter how much money he has, you won’t win every year, and you knight not ever win.
Also, if you don’t win a WS, understand this is almost as exciting. Nothing like this has ever really happened before.
In 4 years if he’s like “NO IM NOT SPENDING ANOTHER DIME FOR 3-5 years until x,y,z, happens blah blah. You better still support him.
I wish Roger’s would have spent 1 million and 1 extra year on Verlander DeGrom Judge and fk it even Nimmo. Why not. It’s on fun tokens
Best of luck in 2023 Mets fans, the drop is worse the higher you get
It’s one thing to eat two years on a mid-range contract or two. But it could pile up quickly if they had to do this on multiple successive long-term contracts.
Orioles just signed McCann for two years five million, given what Hedges went for this was an acceptable move by Orioles.
It will be interesting to see if Mets or Orioles make it to World Series first.
$5mm over 2 years. When you put it that way, seems like an overpay.
Met’s signing Eovaldi next??
At this rate, you may as well just buy other teams.
Can’t take the man seriously about wanting to win unless he lets loose and bags at least another bat and another arm. No more of these 1/2 measures! Child’s play is over start the real signings Cohen!
Highly doubt they want to lose the draft pick but who needs draft picks with a billion dollar payroll.
Dream GM hahahaha Indeed.
The Mets got Narvaez, will he be their everday catcher? Or will Tomas Nido? Or Francisco Alvarez?
Yes could be no
Possible they carry all three and let Álvarez be the platoon DH vs lefties while sprinkling in some starts behind the plate. McNeil can play left as the fourth OF in a pinch. More likely it’s Navarez with Nido as back up and season Alvarez now. It’s getting really crowded on this roster. Best problem to complain about in a long time. Embarrassingly deep roster in the infield, catcher and starter (Megill, Peterson and Lucchesi in AAA to start!). Likely we see a trade coming for more bullpen or outfield depth.
This is insanity. Correa changes the game a lot. Strategy game I mean. Smart move is Vientos and Lee for a solid bullpen piece. I hear Hendricks is being shopped……. May as well
Watch that 5M savings turn into a solid BP arm
A plus for Baltimore. They just got the 2nd best catcher in baseball for a fraction of the price of JTT *According to Mets fans 2 years ago.
Justin Turner changed his middle name and moved to catcher, huh?
Jonathan Taylor Thomas
Justin Taylor Thomas made alot from home improvement huh
Apparently he made a killing on the show and Mets fan just can’t stop talking about it.
Must have been taped in Queens or something.
Maybe he put too many T’s and he’s thinking John Tavares the Maple leafs Captain, he also got a boat load of money and so many people are jealous he’s uber rich and good at his craft
It’s possible the Mets could be getting a Tier 5 AAA pitching prospect back in return. Blaine Knight is 26 and was #46 in the O’s system per Baseball Reference last year.
Even the Orioles are having a better offseason and look better for ’23, than the Giants. Considering the outlook of the past couple years, that’s saying something.
Excellent strategy. Don’t sign or tease signing over paid over the hill 300 million players.
The outlook has been good the last few years considering they had the #1 farm system. It just wasn’t at the MLB level yet.
Damn $19 mil out of $24 mil the Mets are paying, the only good thing is he’s gone not wasting a roster spot
Surprising turn of events, especially since the Orioles already have a stud young catcher in Adley Rutschman.
World needs back up catchers too.
Adley can’t catch 162 games.
Classic example of “gaw, what happened to the guy” lol. Dude was solid, Mets grabbed him, and he tanked … go figure
Feel better? You probably (definitely) shouldn’t
Next up – Ruf will be raffled off to lowest bidder
Great move by the Os and a win win for both teams. Os need a vet so they can get Adley to dh as much as possible to maximize his amount of at bats. McCann can get plenty of at bats if he hits a little
PTBNL is John Means.
In your dreams
I am more intrigued by Phil Nevin’s son Tyler being DFA’d.. look at roughly their 1st 200 MLB PA’s.. can u say Identical OMG.. we got room 3 spots in our 40 (Pads) let’s add Phil’s kid and maybe he has the same results as Dad from here on out…
Sort of a 4A player with no defensive home.
He’d really have to rake to get ABS anywhere. His raw power hasn’t really transitioned to in game. Some team will probably take a flier on a claim though. Oakland makes sense.
When someone is designated, there’s usually a week for that person to be traded before he’s outrighted or released. As long as he doesn’t take up a 40-man spot on the acquiring team’s roster, could he be the PTBNL?
Gee-Dee!!! Now Cohen is bypassing the luxury tax and just giving money directly to the cheap teams. Dude is straight going to buy a generation of fans in NY while Hal twiddles his thumbs at MENSA meetings.
Gotta respect it though. The only thing that is going to stop this man is death or the SEC.
Interesting move. I wanted a RH backup C in case Adley’s platoon splits against LHPs do not improve but definitely did not see McCann as a candidate for the role. Not bad.
Yup. Solid add.
McCann actually has a little offensive upside. This was a good add.
Need 1 more pitcher to round this off-season out.
C Yards Jeff
KFloch and BStrow: I was hoping for Carson Kelly, but McCann will do. Prudent move by the Birds!
And yes, one more pitcher add on would be sweet!
McCann splits career against LH’s are very good. Last year splits were very poor. Hopefully result of injuries last year, which he’ll overcome in ’23.
Wrote the other day that the Mets would dump McCann for a roster spot. But I thought it would be to the Cubs.
Orioles FO continues to impress. They needed a backup C. They got a very good one for $2.5m per year.
Smart FO. Don’t overreact. Stay patient. Opportunities will come.
Never to the cubs. Trading Madrigal to them was bad enough.
Signing Kyle Gibson, Adam Frazier, and adding a backup catcher makes an impressive off-season?
What Kool-Aid are you drinking? Orioles finish dead last in the division–by a mile.
Not dead last.
Boston says Hold my beer
The way Jays fans luck goes, Os may win the division and Yankees steal the wild card.
Yeah because Boston got way better by losing Xander.
You have no clue.
Orioles will make more moves – possibly in-season. They will at least be a playoff contender in 2023….should make the playoffs.
Suggest you watch some of their games.
The Orioles essentially stood pat or got worse, depending on how you view Lyles vs Gibson, Frazier vs Odor, etc.
If you think one big move will thrust the O’s into serious contention, you’re wrong. This is a team that needed MULTIPLE impact players to take the next step, especially on the pitching side.
The Orioles making the playoffs–or even replicating last season’s record will be a longshot.
Who many weeks have you been following MLB?
The Orioles roster is overwhelmingly made up of young players. The ones that get the most plying time will continue to get better.
Do you really think that guys like Rutschman, Mountcastle, Henderson, Mullins, and Stowers have hit their peak?
For starters John Means is coming back; DL Hall and Grayson
Rodriguez will be pitching for them at some point this year.
And I’ve left out not just young players on the 26 man roster, but at least 6=8 of MLB’s better prospects in the high minors.
I have been watching MLB long enough to know that young players don’t progress all at once or in some dream linear way, no matter how much you’d naively hope they would.
There is certainly some hope in the position player group, but the pitching staff looks absolutely terrible.
Means, who profiled as a 3rd or 4th starter on a good team before TJ surgery, is no bonafide ace. Kyle Gibson is coming off a terrible year. Kremer and Voth are both due for regression, and DL Hall has absolutely no control.
So the pitching staff in Baltimore will be rookie Grayson Rodriguez (if he makes the team) and pray for rain–and you think they’re a playoff team?
Yes they were so bad last year missing the playoffs by 3 games. Your drinking something a lot stronger the Kool-Aid. That is three upgrades over last years team with a full season of Rutschmand and Henderson plus adding the number one pitching prospect in all of baseball Rodriguez to the rotaion and Means coming back mid season. You would not know a baseball if it hit you in the head.
Depending on which direction the ball was thrown, you’re right: I might not know if a baseball hit me in the head.
$5M and a lottery ticket for McCann is probably Billy Eppler’s defining career move. Not a bad pick up for the Os as a backup being paid like a back up. Good to see no fear in cutting losses on top of the spending. Roster is still at 41 when Correa becomes official. Plenty of bait to cut but let’s keep trading!
Samuel, you are a freaking genius. Probably only person in the world who predicted the Mets would dump McCann. I bow down to your superior baseball knowledge. You have an incredible gift my friend.
People, BEFORE you jump someone for making a comment and say something about them not reading the article or post, please understand that several posts on this site are continually updated and perhaps the initial piece was lacking the details that the user made a comment about! Obviously it states the financial aspect and the amount that each team is responsible for NOW, but earlier it did not. So those users who made comments at that time did not have the information because it was not included at that point. Give people a break!
No excuse. Samuel told them this already a day ago.
Who is Samuel and what excuse lol
Noob. You will know Samuel soon enough.
ba$ebaF@n21, Haven’t you seen “The Ten Commandments?” Samuel is the man that comes down from the mountain with the white hair and stone tablets.
Unfortunately this is true, if you’re around the comment section long enough, Samuel will find you!!!
Sammy contested my adult status.
I claim to have the ultimate in grey/white hair on this board (pics for proof to a verified 3rd party if required)
I’m not cheating, I’m not Albino, but I claim the rightful thrown of Greyest (yes Grey, there’s clearly an R in that word!!!) Person on this thread, regardless of age
BTW, in Canada it’s Grey, not Gray.
It’s definitely true. He found me my 1st day on the boards like 6 months ago. Made me feel all warm and fuzzy like I had a new friend…Then one day I awoke to find I made the mute list…
I wouldn’t be lucky enough for him to mute me and be able to comment without him seeing it as his bat symbol, signaling him to come comment the opposite of whatever is being discussed
You sir are blessed, and I wish those blessings further into the new year and Beyond!!!
So in other words, Samuel is the resident @hole, I am assuming lol
Keep hearing Escobar and Carrasco may get moved, and I still think it’s a mistake. This team will have plenty of injuries to deal with. Can’t have enough quality depth.
@Ma4170 True, that. Moving Carrasco would be flat stupidity unless he’s replaced by someone like the Marlins Pablo Lopez as the Mets package their prospects with no future due to the Correa signing.
Without Carrasco the front four only project to 95 starts. With him they’re still only around 115, meaning they’ll be giving at least 1/4 of the team’s starts to players with no convincing history of being successful big league starters. That’s a great way to lose the division, and if you assume that one of the front four is on the bench in October due to injury or ineffectiveness, you’ll have three older to ancient starters in what’s probably a 4-round postseason.
It won’t be pretty.
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Yeesh, what an optimistic perspective!
The people that come on here in the offseason live on depth charts. They think all 5 starting pitchers on the depth chart will make all their starts.
They also think that all position players are solid, both starting and backups.
All players stay will stay the same. None are going to have good or bad years.
In a season almost all teams have over 30 pitchers that pitch for them, and at least 22 position players that play for them.
Clears space to sign Trout to catch.
Addition by subtraction
If the Mets would going be thinking of spending big and blocking prospects with stars wonder why they weren’t in on Sean Murphy. That would have been a huge upgrade.
Cohen’s been pretty upfront about not having an issue spending dollars on free agents to avoid trading from the farm – the Murphy trade would’ve cost prospects and young roster players, so that’s why they passed.
It also could have something to do with having one of the best catching prospects in the league currently on the 40-man, too – no catcher on the team signed past 2024, so they’ve cleared the runway for him to take the job.
Mr. Cohen will keep spending indefinitely.
The guys from the farm will have next to no chance to play for them. He’s signing guys to long-term excessive contracts. They will play until they slow down. Then he’ll do what he did with McCann – eat most of the salary to get a roster spot. If the Mets have a young player that can produce – fine, they’ll try him. If they don’t have one or the one they have doesn’t quickly produce – they’ll buy another free agent at top rates, and pay whatever tax they’re assessed.
This will go in indefinitely as long as MLB rules don’t change.
Was this Cohens first year of ownership with this signing? The guy was the only catcher worth while that year in free agency.
Realmuto was worth a flier. Surprised he got a major league contract though.
Ha ha. Yep. This was the early mistake. But with Alvarez coming it’s liveable
Realmuto was traded for 3 players. Mccamm was still overpaid 4 times
O’s should have tried to get the Mets to throw in Escobar while they were at it
Good call. Escobar has to be available on the cheap prospect side. He now has no home if Alvarez is carried. Something to watch for sure. He has more value elsewhere
The O’s have 4-5 guys that can play 3B. including last years gold glove winner.
Why do they need Escobar and his salary? It very possible that ALL are better than him.
In reality they don’t need Escobar but if the Mets are going to pay you to take players off their hands you might as well get all you can
That’s logical, but…..
He’d be blocking a number of young players that need ML playing time. I think if watch the Orioles play you’ll see that most candidates for infield positions will probably do better than him.
The Orioles and Guardians are coming out of rebuilds with gobs of quality prospects. They want to win in 2023 and can win. But brining in past-their-peak veteran players even if they’re inexpensive is not what they’re looking for. The O’s and Guardians intend to contend for most of the next 5 years. Their need to find out who the keepers are on their team. Both have far more quality prospects than they do positions for them…..and those youngsters have been coached up very well in the minors.
Max Wagner or Jud Fabian would make sense as PTBNL. Typically it’s a guy from most recent draft. Both have some upside and would warrant the huge salary eat here. Time will tell. Fabian more likely.
You’re not getting Fabian. Mets aren’t eating that big of a contract. Maybe a guy like Armbruester would be fair compensation.
Fabian is a 17-20 ranked prospect with a 40 rating. He really isn’t anything other than a lotto ticket which is exactly what a PTBNL is. Also, yea, they really are eating that much salary. Should not be a bust type but a we don’t know type. Either way, I really couldn’t care less. $5M off the books plus something is good enough but McCann is a very good defensive catcher. This won’t be a nothing guy
Wow. Fabian is the #22 prospect for Baltimore. That’s even further down than it should be here with the Mets eating $19 of $24M
You all worried about money in Queens now? The Correa deal is aging well already.
100% it is not Fabian. The org is looking at their CF in 3 years. They love his D. and his power. Not even a free McCann would fetch Fabian.
You’re dreaming. I am surprised the Mets found a trade partner instead of just dumping McCann and eating the contract.
I dont think so. It’s probably a list of 12-15 prospects the Scouting department have deemed as busts for one reason or another as a way to complete a trade where you’re handed a prime bounce back candidate at a bargain price.
So lotto ticket on a player no one thinks will ever be a regular, who could turn it on unexpectedly
Don’t expect much return or to even hear about it unless you’re refreshing these forums non stop for the next 8-12 months (nothing will be exchanged till after the deadline or prior to the next FA class)
I bet you it’s not even a top 30 prospect. And I bet my life it’s not Fabian… the Os love him and see him advancing the quickest in 2023 out of any of the draft picks
Ok man. It’s really not even interesting to me. Fabian would be like the number 25 prospect in NY anyway. Just speculation. If it’s not a top 30 guy it’s a steal to get a solid defensive catcher for chump change. Mets haven’t made many mistakes this off-season. You definitely don’t need to get upset about my late night guess.
Well, you said “Fabian more likely” as if you had done your research.
Think more like Peter van Loon or Craig Tendron.
@bryan c You say the #22 prospect for Baltimore would fall to #25 with the Mets. How did you come to that conclusion? How much stronger of a farm system top-to-bottom do the Mets have compared to the Orioles?
You got Luis De La Cruz, a 20 year old 1B with no power from the Dominican Summer League.
You thought you were getting the Orioles’ #14 or #15 prospect – both 2nd round picks from last year’s draft.
Instead you got #200. I hadn’t even heard of him before. LOL!
Although it is clear that McCann overperformed in Chicago, I am surprised that the White Sox did not beat this offer. Was it the quality of the PTBNL that made them abstain? So this looks like a good deal for Baltimore and $ 7,2m savings for the Mets plus this PTBNL.
9.5 in saving I believe. 5 mill plus 90%
The savings for the Mets are actually lower: For CBT purposes, the AAV of the whole contract is relevant. Since the contract is backloaded, the tax amounts aren’t calculated on the actual amount of $ 5m. You can find it somewhere in the article as well.
Precisely my point just above. The PTBNL is not going to be a 30 year old bust. It’s a legit lotto type. McCann is a very good defensive catcher. The offer has to be enough to make the deal. Steve don’t care about the money fellas. Not at all
No, my guess is the PTBNL will be a 26-year-old AAA pitcher who was an Orioles’ third round pick about 5 years ago and was ranked #46 in their system last I checked.
Thank God that’s taken care of. What a gaping hole in our lineup he’s been!
Baseball needs to create one more D.H. position, and that’s for the catcher. Like they have for the pitcher, the whole battery. Sure you can let them hit like Ohtani, but it’s not required though. So you could have like say two Gates Brown come up to just hit with a couple of hotdogs in his pockets, and that would be a hoot. Vogelbach or a Brown don’t matter, a hitter only type of guy. Then we judge a catcher by what he does behind the plate like we do with a pitcher on the mound. Do that, and some teams might keep up with the Mets of the world.
Gates Brown! How about Smoky Burgess?
And a DH for SS as well.
With offensive benches so thin now, maybe MLB could allow as many DHs as a team wants for every position. The more DHs a team uses, the less flexibility and fewer pinch hitting/running options.
No, just expanding on the original post about allowing a DH for Catchers. My idea is not so wild. Plus, it is just a discussion point. I don’t think MLB will ACTUALLY adopt this. But they could and the game would survive.
Where’s the accompanying article, “Chaim Bloom Interested in Adley”?
McCann appears happy to be leaving NYC. Next up to send out is Ruf. Mets should keep Carrasco at this point.
Not a bad trade. I also assume he or Adley may receive at-bats at DH, so he will get playing time.
Could be a deal similar to McCann’s with Cookier Carrasco.. Cookie provides one year of a quality MOR SP & should bring most of a “double your salary” benefit to the Mets (1.9 x $ 14 MM) payroll/tax The prospect should worthy of being on the ML Roster or a high upside “pre-40 man” guy with some helium..
We’ll see.. 54 days until pitchers and catchers report to spring training..
Or… perhaps a guy that can help the Mets, if he’s healthy.. The talent is there.. Someone like Julian Merryweather could be just the kind of “lightning in a bottle” catch the Mets can exploit.. If he doesn’t work out.. he can be traded to the Pirates. they take anyone..
The A’s are an enigma.. they have their own evaluation system that is matched by no other clubs.. It would be wrong to believe the A’s wanted Alvarez or Baty and two or Allan, Vientos or Tidwell..
A clear overpay from the Mets’ fans perspective.. & not likely what the A’s want.. Too weird to be able to stick a fork in a deal with the A’s.. Uncle Stevie decided to take is wad elsewhere….
Win-win for both teams. Samuel’s favorite team gets a solid backup at a reasonable price and the Mets can move on from a player who just never clicked there. Does it make either team a whole lot better? Well, not really. But the O’s get a good veteran presence which can only help them. Often, catchers make great observers of the game. Plus, they get the crap beaten out of them playing too much, so it gives their star a chance to recuperate.
Good points, both benefit.
A great pickup by the O’s. It gives them a veteran backstop to compliment Adley and while McCann has missed some time he will definitely fill the role of Chirinos from last year. The Mets also have done themselves a favor by making this deal. Elias may not have made a big splash this off season but there are plenty of reasons to stay on the course with the talent coming up from the farm system.
Good bounce-back candidate. If he could get back to the .625-650 range, he’d be an excellent backup.
Or just trade Rutschman to the RS before he starts getting expensive.
Rutschman for Houck, Whitlock and Bello.
I was thinking our entire AAA team, but yours works as well.
Really silly comment
The winners of this trade are the Chicago White Sox, who were from themselves in trying to trade back James McCann. Seriously, all the Mets had to do was wait another week, and Rick Hahn would have felt so much unnecessary pressure on himself to bring the guy back for Liam Hendriks.
Cheap backup C for the O’s. Don’t know what happened with the White Sox, but those may be the only two good years McCann has in his career.
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Now that the terms are announced, it’s a good deal for the Orioles. McCann will probably be limited to getaway day starts after night games.
And starts against Lefties. Probably ~ 45 starts at Catcher, 5 starts at DH and entering another ~ 25 games. He could see some starts at 1B if Mountcastle gets injured but it would make no sense to start him there in place of a healthy Mountcastle.
It seems like it would most help the competitive balance if it did not count against the salary cap when teams paid the salaries of players on other teams’ rosters. Like the $19 million the Mets are still paying to McCann… what if that f do isn’t count against the Mets’ salary cap? Wouldn’t that help out small- market teams by adding another way to redistribute revenues?
It never hurts the Orioles to solidify the backup catcher role, and $5M/2 years is not much for the Orioles to find out if McCann can at least hit on occasion when in for Adley. It is an offense upgrade over Chirinos. If McCann overperforms, they can trade him for something.
The problem is unless McCann could play another position and hit .270 with 25 or 30 HR a year or take the ball and pitch above average 6 innings per start all year, it does not materially improve the 2023 team. Still waiting for these moves to happen.
You described in your first paragraph how this will materially help this season. Chirinos was an offensive black hole. The part that you didn’t mention was that he called an appreciably-inferior game to Rutsch and was poor defensively.
Hulk in fairness Adley might already call a top 5 but true McCann is a better defensive catcher/pitcher handler than Chirinos
James McCann looked good back when he was with Chi Sox
There we go, the Mets saving $2.5 mil + Lux tax on him, than after 2023 Cano’s $20, Canha $13.5, Escobar $10, Robertson $10, Vogelbach $1.5, Ruf $3 ,McCann $2.5, Carrasco $14, around $75 mil coming off but even adding $50 mil on Ohtani payroll is still down in 2024 lol
Steve Cohen rifling through his sofa seat cushions….$19m…”Found it”…
Not sure where this writer gets his info. McCann has a great arm which is why his nickname is McCannon. He has thrown out 34 percent of the runners over his career and has been over 40 on two occations.