The past week has seen an incredible free agent plot twist that’s unprecedented in baseball history. Reports emerged last week indicating that the Giants had agreed to terms with shortstop Carlos Correa on a 13-year, $350MM deal. That deal, like all free agent agreements, was pending a physical. However, it was reported yesterday that an issue flagged during Correa’s physical caused the Giants to delay a press conference that was set to introduce Correa. That was followed by a stunning middle-of-the-night report that Correa had a new agreement with the Mets for 12 years and $315MM.
The entire baseball world is still trying to piece together how such a strange sequence of events came to pass. Correa’s agent, Scott Boras, has provided his perspective today, giving comment to Susan Slusser of the San Francisco Chronicle and Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic.
“We reached an agreement. We had a letter of agreement. We gave them a time frame to execute it,” Boras said. “They advised us they still had questions. They still wanted to talk to other people, other doctors, go through it. I said, ‘Look, I’ve given you a reasonable time. We need to move forward on this. Give me a time frame. If you’re not going to execute, I need to go talk with other teams.”
It still isn’t publicly known what issue the Giants found during Correa’s physical, but Boras frames it as an old injury that precedes Correa’s time in the majors. “You’re talking about a player who has played eight major-league seasons,” Boras said. “There are things in his medical record that happened decades ago. These are all speculative dynamics. Every team has a right to go through things and evaluate things. The key thing is, we gave them (the Giants) medical reports at the time. They still wanted to sign the player and negotiate with the player.”
Rosenthal lays out that Correa suffered a season-ending leg injury in the minor leagues in 2014 but he has not been on the injured list for a lower leg injury since his promotion to the majors. He’s also had back issues in the past but his last IL stint for a back injury was in 2019.
Giants president of baseball operations Farhan Zaidi also provided a comment, though without getting into specifics. “While we are prohibited from disclosing confidential medical information, as Scott Boras stated publicly, there was a difference of opinion over the results of Carlos’ physical examination,” Zaidi said to reporters, including Alex Pavlovic of NBC Sports Bay Area. “We wish Carlos the best.”
It’s worth reiterating that, with the Giants not providing any details, we only really have one side of the story. As Correa’s agent, Boras is surely motivated to wipe away the concern of the Giants as unreasonable or a non-issue. Correa’s new deal with the Mets is also pending a physical and won’t be official until that is complete. However, if the Mets end up having the same concerns as the Giants, it might be difficult for them to back out in a similar fashion. Andy Martino of SNY reports that the Mets could face a grievance if they back out of the deal since owner Steve Cohen has already discussed the deal on the record.
Also noted by Rosenthal, it’s not entirely unprecedented for medical personnel to come to different conclusions about the health of a player. This Boras-Mets situation was the other way around with Kumar Rocker, whom the Mets selected 10th overall in the 2021 draft. The Mets had agreed to give Rocker, who is represented by Boras, a $6MM bonus before medical concerns scuttled the deal. Rocker re-entered the draft a year later and was selected third overall by the Rangers.
It has also occasionally happened in the past that free agents agree to terms with teams but then issues pop up with the physical before the deal is official. In one recent example, reliever Grant Balfour agreed to terms with the Orioles on a two-year, $15MM deal prior to the 2014 season. The O’s backed out after conducting Balfour’s physical and he instead signed with the Rays for two years and $12MM. However, a similar situation for a free agent of Correa’s magnitude hasn’t been seen before.
The Baseball Fan
This right here is a good businessman. As unliked as he may be
Digdugler
No one is denying that.
RSmith
How is getting 35M less proof of a good business man?
Digdugler
Because there is clearly something wrong and wants to lock in that commish.
Curly Was The Smart Stooge
Boras=$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Domingo111
Also this was a power move for future deals. Zaidi probably wasn’t wrong to be very careful with such a big commitment but really boras by doing that move put a lot of blame on zaidi and makes the fans and media question him.
So while not giving correa 13 years could ultimately be a good move coming short on both judge and correa could ultimately even put zaidis job security in danger if he doesn’t manage to create another winning team in the next 2-3 years.
Basically in the last years the teams were calling the shots and this year boras really created havoc and made the GMs rush it a little.
ForeverGiantsFan
Yesterday Boros indicated Giants flagged old injury. Today before Mets physical he indicated he never knew what Giants flagged.
EonADS
He was refusing to let his client get jerked around and have his value diminished by an injury scare. There was another team that wanted to give him fair value, so he quickly pivoted to them. Thus showing he’s not going to let teams get the last word. I also dislike Boras, but I can’t deny this was the right move from a business perspective.
EonADS
It also gives potential or future clients the impression that he’ll fight for the best possible deal for them even if some teams refuse point-blank to let him have the upper hand. It’s good advertising, really.
giantsphan12
@eonarashi, I don’t disagree with your evaluation of Boras’ decision making….however, how do you know that the Giants were “jerking” Correa around? We may never k kw what scared the Giants off, but man, I would sure like to. Without that information, how can we, as lay people, know if Correa and Boras were jerking the Giants around, or the other way around????
Riontyler
Not sure if that wasnt clear before this. The past 5-10 years, Boras was getting clients massive deals. If I happened to be lucky enough to find myself in the big leagues, it would be very difficult to not consider having him represent…from the teams’ perspective, I’m sure hes a nightmare. Not to say other agents aren’t making big deals. Boras seems to set the bar, so to speak, during the off season.
Giant Willy
Whatever the delay was about medicals, apparently it didn’t bother any other team. I think the Giants were just trying to have leverage to negotiate a lower salary, because Farhan is so cheap. I’m done supporting Farhan and Kapler.
bhoops
Both parties agreed to the 1-week time table to review medical information. The Giants tried to renegotiate that before signing the final contract. Boras said no.
The Giants cannot comment on any specific medical finding, but they sure as hell could have called Boras a liar if it didn’t happen that way.
The reality is there was no way for Boras or Correa to jerk around the Giants in this situation. They had the power to authorize the contract based on medicals, not the player or agent.
rondon
This is, of course, his version of what happened and Boras is never gonna say anything that doesn’t leave him looking like a hero… I think Correa really wanted NY.
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Rondon, Yeah most likely. He’s just a flashy fella. So glad he’s in his own element now. I’m sure they’ll love and embrace him with open arms. Wait till the first person on the street tosses a trash can at his Bugatti while at a light. I don’t like to see Carlos upset he’s been through enough. Man I can’t stand the guy..
RobM
35% of the city will love and embrace him. The other 65%, Yankee fans, won’t. It will create for an interestingly tense dynamic for him living in the city.
Pads Fans
We do know what they were “jerking” Correa around about. A pre-MLB leg injury that has not been an issue since. See Slusser and Rosenthal.
twitter.com/susanslusser/status/160560686746752614…
The Giants got cold feet and tried to renegotiate. Boras called their bluff and got his client a huge deal less than 12 hours after the Giants backed out for tenuous reasons.
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PadsFan, Try not to be so harsh on SF fans. I would imagine many are going to wade through serious periods of denial on this one. They really wanted/needed this guy and he’s now vanished like a fart in the wind. What do they have to be excited about now?
giantsphan12
You’re right Trumbo. As a Giants’ fan, I got nothing to be excited about (even though I thought the deal with CC would not age well and that FZ and Co paid too much to get him). Now, all the good FAs are gone, and the hotstove has been turned off. We’re sitting with a pocket full of $ and no place to spend it.
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At least you guys have your 3 titles. Only thing thats kept Halo fans content the past 10 years is watching Trout (and Shohei as of late). Even bad teams should have at least 1 star player to keep the fans happy.
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P.S. Not that I am saying SF is a BAD team….I’m sure you get the gist of what I mean though..
RobM
@giantsphan, I don’t mean this with any malice but more an observation. The Giants contributions to this off season have been to push MLB salaries much higher, starting with the courting with Judge, which forced the Yankees to match the Giants offer. My belief all along was the Giants shouldn’t go after Judge unless they were absolutely sure they would get him. They didn’t. They then pivoted to Correa, and gave him a $350MM deal. Now they didn’t land him too.
If there’s a positive, the Giants have kept their power dry and can go big next off season when Ohtani and Devers will be free agents. It will, however, cost them a lot more to sign either of those players based on their actions this off season. Once again, not a negative. It’s been interesting to watch as this all unfolded.
2014giants
Ohtani and devers will have nothing to do with farhan and company!
fre5hwind
He just likes to drive up the price a lot…
PGM
if you were a FA and the Giants came knocking, knowing that they were as likely to back out of a deal or renegotiate as they were to sign it, and that they were going to dig through your history and dangle something non-relevant over your head to renegotiate, would you even engage?
continuous roster churn from week to week means who knows who you are going to play with, endless platoons will limit playing time, you will get jerked out of an a bat between the box and the on deck circle based on a wonky statistic
lots of better options than the Giants if rings are what you want, the three trophies from the last decade were under a completely different front office with a completely different management approach
players are DFA’d for a reason, and its not because that team wants the Giants to succeed
field AAAA players, expect AAAA results
just a frustrated fan who doesn’t see how this situation improves as is
agnes gooch
giantsphan12, don’t worry, we have some exciting kids on the way. Schmitt looks like he is going to be the real deal at third. Harrison is a stud pitcher. Both might be up this year. Vaun Brown had a rocket ship of a year in the minors, we might see him too. The two picks last year–Reggie Crawford and Whisenhunt are really exciting .
We won it all with homegrown kids, give this time to grow. Zaidi was given a barren farm. He has been respectful to our legacy players and put a decent team on the field while building the farm at the same time. It took Sabean 13 years to win it all. We will be ok, better to not be bogged down with big ugly contracts.
Curly Was The Smart Stooge
If someone ate at a 5 star restaurant, maybe that fart in the wind will cheer them up…
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Hahahahaha Curly you mad man!
GASoxFan
@Pads fans – i dont think its fair to characterize, we still don’t “know” exactly what happened, or that the Giants were jerking anyone around.
Boras was inte totally vague. He said correa played 8 mlb seasons, clearly not implying those were injury free. He also said there were old injuries which implies minors or earlier. He didn’t say it was only a decades old injury. He just said there were some.
With Boras it’s just as important to read what he doesn’t say as what he does.
Now, that said, correa has had many MANY injuries since he was 19. He had the leg injury in the minors. He tore up a thumb going into home plate. He’s hurt his back numerous times. We can’t point to one thing.
What I WILL say is fact is something that our older posters will agree with. As you age, old injuries rear their heads again in the form of various aches and pains, and, eventually in some cases deterioration.
I believe Correa’s leg injury was fibula/tendon related. I’m currently rehabbing a compound avulsion fracture and grade 3 sprain injury to my left ankle and leg, which also has a foot component due to malleolus tendon issues. Needed repair.
I’ve also had back injuries. Call me a potential correa future snapshot. With the types of back injuries he has had, in time he could have osteophyte issues in the facet joints, or, straight on disc degeneration issues. In some areas I’ve been warned, in addition to weaknesses from healed annular tear.
A GOOD team medical doctor will look at the injuries, look for early signs of changes in the bodies, then ask, at the end of the contract, in this case 13 years away, what is the potential for condition in those areas.
When there’s risk, you flag it. Some of those flags, you then like to get several opinions and roll with concensus and risk appetite.
Boras did right by his client in declining the time to cover so many injuries. As the SS come off the market, teams willing to go north of 300m 10+yrs on correa were drying up. I’m sure Bogey took one spot. Swanson likely would’ve taken another. With LA out, SF balking, and teams like BOS/ATL not going to that expense level, and the NYY likely blew their big contract wad on Judge, if the NYM had taken Swanson off the board correa would likely be a tough sell to get more than a couple years.
But nowhere did boras say a particular issue. He could’ve with his clients permission. He just tried to cast doubt that it wasn’t expected back degeneration issues.
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GA, sure hope your foot/ankle heals up soon!
Ma4170
I laughed at his decades old injury comment. The kid’s 28, what’s he talking about, a bad skateboarding accident? Boras’ statements induce more eye rolling than a debate w/ my ex.
GASoxFan
Thanks Trumbo. I’m ahead of the curve, but, ortho said expect it to take until next May to finish healing.
Hope Boras is right and it can never bother me again for the rest of my life.
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GA, Good to hear! And if Boras proclaims it so, then “So let it be written, so let it be done!”
Blue Baron
@fre5hwind: Boras likes to drive up the price? Duh. That is, you know, his job as an agent.
Blue Baron
@TrumboJumbo: Boras is just doing his job. Nothing more, nothing less.
giantsphan12
@Trumbo, I definitely get the gist of what you’re saying…and I think it’s fair to say that the present state of the Giants is definitely “bad.” And, top FAs are going to be less and less inclined to sign with us (big park, bad team, overly cautious (perhaps) about the medical review…..Stanton, Harper, Judge, Correa, Rodon) while our farm is middling at best. We won’t contend for a few years at the quickest! 🙁
giantsphan12
@RobM, in effect, I agree with you: they pushed the deals up for those guys. But, I believe in my heart of heart, they really wanted, first, Judge and then CC. So their effort and bidding was in good faith. If Boras (and the person who reps Judge) know their clients really don’t want to pay for the Giants, but the agents are coy about that and use the Giants to push the offers up, that’s not on the Giants…..it’s on the agents and the players.
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Baron, heck I’m more stunned I just found out that the man is a Doctor of Pharmacy.
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I don’t see the Halos really breaking through in the playoffs for 2 or 3 years myself. All I really want is an APPEARANCE by them!
Pads Fans
Trumbo, Not much in terms of baseball.
Canosucks
@#FireFarhan You are right as this was a pre MLB career injury that required no future or ongoing treatment and it didn’t scare off Astros, Twins or Mets.
Giants fans should be livid but not at Cohen and the Mets or Boras and Correa.
But Far Hand because that’s how far his hand was from the money!
Pads Fans
We can absolutely point to just one thing as now 5 publications have said that it was the leg injury in 2014 while Correa was in the minors.
Giants fans are some of the most passionate in baseball. Its sad that their FO and ownership are not committed to winning and with this move won’t for years to come .
stymeedone
Other than disagreeing with SFG, Boras did not give any info as to the actual concern in the medical. We still don’t know either side. We do know Cohen is not concerned about his spending, but we already knew that. Remember, look before you leap, but he who hesitates is lost.
foppert
What you can absolutely point too, is a concerning current day anomaly seen on a recent scan. Sure, it’s origin might have been in 2014 but it absolutely exists in 2022.
Not committed to winning is an overreaction. They went hard financially at Judge and Correa, added to the FO by just hiring a new GM, recently finished a $60million investment in a new facility for their minor leaguers. Odd investments to make if you aren’t trying to win.
As a whole, Giants fans have behaved atrociously this off-season. The period between Judge and Correa was a disgrace and an embarrassment. “Passionate” is the weak persons favourite get of jail card.
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Foppert, hahahahaha What on Earth do you mean by “Giants fans have behaved atrociously this off season?” Sounds like they should be spanked or punished or something??? Why have they been such little bad boys and girls???
NYMetsFanatic
Well, the jury isn’t out on that yet, and Cohen very well might be left holding the bag on a bad 12-year deal. On the other hand, I don’t want to sell Steve Cohen short either, as he too is a very successful businessman. I guess we’ll all just have to sit tight and see how this all plays out.
foppert
The willingness to go all cannibal when things haven’t fallen their way is atrocious. Zero attempt at understanding the reality of the situation. Just “I’m disappointed, I need to attack someone to feel better, what can I make up to support that position” No respect for anyone or anything other than the fact they are disappointed. No thanks. Way too much self entitlement there for me.
ForeverGiantsFan
He still has to pass a physical with the Mets. I believe Giants doctors didn’t like how his broken ankle healed. It’s an injury that occurred as a minor leaguer.
RobM
@Giantsphan, I don’t know if it’s really on anyone. It’s the job of the agents to use the market to get the best deal. It’s the job of the team to know if that’s how they’re being used. I believe Judge was quite open to the Giants, but only if the Yankees didn’t match the offer. The Correa situation is the odd one. I’m sure we’ll find out more in the coming days.
foppert
When the new Giants GM was working in the Astros minor league system.
ForeverGiantsFan
I seems the Giants concern related to a broken ankle Correa suffered as a minor leaguer. He will have a physical with the Mets. See if they have any concerns.
the14thdoctor
65% is a very, very dubious number and based on nothing. To give credit to Yankee fans, they really have better things to do than hate a guy who doesn’t even play in the American League.
Pads Fans
The Twins didn’t and they signed him to the largest AAV for an infielder and offered more AAV than the Giants did on a 10 year deal after the Giants backed out. .
Pads Fans
Whats important is to read what others are saying about the situation. When I commented we had two Giants beat writers and Rosenthal all saying it was only an injury from 2014 that the Giants were using as their excuse to back out of the deal. That has now been confirmed by 2 other Giants beat writers.
It got worse for the Giants as more info has been released.
Pads Fans
fappert, the Giants didn’t do another “scan” of the fibula that was broken in 2014 in their physical.
outinleftfield
That is going to be the name of my next band “Farts In The Wind”
outinleftfield
In 5 years Zaidi has presided over the Giants farm system rising from 24th to start the 2019 season to 18th at the end of the 2022 season with just 2 top 100 prospects. It got better but it is far from good.
The team I root for has done a much worse job, so just be glad you are not an Angels fan. We just seem to humm along in last place.
By contrast, the NL West Padres have gone from 1st at the end of 2014 to 25th to start 2016 and back to 1st to start 2018.
outinleftfield
Trumbo, Curse You! LOL. The Angels are going to be good. Better than the Mariners and Rangers. LMAO. Playoffs here we come.
outinleftfield
You get only coal in your stocking young man!
outinleftfield
The curious thing is that the Twins didn’t have any issue with it. After the Giants had bowed out, when he called them the Twins gave Boras the same 10/285 offer they had before the agreement was made with the Giants. They had all the same info and did their own physicals.
outinleftfield
I found it dumbfounding when I heard that from Alex Pavlovic. You agreed to give a player $350 million but you wait 6 days to do a physical and then don’t do your own set of x-rays and MRIs?
EonADS
I can only speculate from Boras’s perspective, since the Giants have said jack and squat. Which by itself is suspicious. I dislike Boras, but their refusal to say anything about the reasoning is a red flag.
Giant Willy
@Canosucks Part of my issue with Farhan, is his dishonesty. The ‘injury concern’ was from an injury from before he was in MLB, that everyone knew about and it wasn’t an issue for anyone, including the Giants… Until AFTER making a huge offer and putting public pressure on the player. If I was Correa, I would have been pissed. No tree agent or fan should trust Farhan at this point, imo
The Baseball Fan
Because he actually got Correa a 300 mil deal as opposed to another short term contract due to injury concerns. Pretty simple
KyleT
“pretty simple” Are you saying other agents are unable to get longterm deals? Look around the league.
The Baseball Fan
How many other agents could have gotten the same deal with Correa and his injury concerns?
Mattimeo09
It doesn’t take a lot of skill to get the Mets to sign a player. How many has Cohen signed so far of the top 50?
Sunday Lasagna
Among the top 50 the Mets signed 5 (Correa,Senga,Verlander,Robertson,Quintana) they lost 3 (deGrom, Bassitt,Walker) and they re-signed 3 of their own (Diaz, Nimmo, Ottavino) so overall they are plus 2. Plus 2 doesn’t seem like a WOW number.
Led Hoyer
Look at their payroll for the wow factor.
VonPurpleHayes
I don’t think you can look at it that way. They signed 8 of the top 50 in one offseason. That’s nuts.
Cohens_Wallet
@von
I absolutely think you can look at it that way. Perspective will always be key.
Sunday Lasagna
@Von At the break, people were up in arms for not trading prospects to get the top players available, before free agency began, up in arms for the players they hadn’t extended, then all the talk of no players signed past 2025 and how the window was shutting, then the talk that no one would play in Queens and now, after signing players to make the team better the critics are up in arms about how many players they signed, for how much and how long. It’s comical.
Ma4170
Agree, I don’t see re-signing a FA the same as signing one outside the team. You’re just giving your own player a raise, basically (like a late contract extension). Besides, degrom and walker opted out, as did Bassitt essentially. Those three signed for $320M total for average of $26.6M annually. They signed JV, Senga, Quintana for $187M total and $20.8M annually. Where I think Cohen went “too far” was with Correa and even Narvaez. Completely unnecessary IMO, but can’t argue they’ll probably help in the short term. Before that, his spending wasn’t that crazy tbh, just replacing what they were losing.
VonPurpleHayes
@Ma4170 agreed. I saw Cohen’s plan. I defended it as smart spending. Now I think it’s just spending to spend. Excessive. There is no plan anymore.
Cohens_Wallet
@Von
Maybe I’m crazy and biased but the plan is clear as day to me, win a championship and turn a joke of an organization into a great brand at any cost.
Sunday Lasagna
@CJML when teams in the past have won a World Series, I’m not sure any fans think “yeah, we won, but look at our payroll (eye roll)”. If and it’s a huge if, the Mets happen to win the World Series they will be the first team since the 2020 Dodgers to have the highest payroll and win the World Series, and the euphoria will drown out the cost.
Sunday Lasagna
Winner Winner Chicken Dinner to Cohens Wallet
VonPurpleHayes
I get that. But I don’t think Correa makes them any closer to a title. It makes them better certainly, but how much?
Cohens_Wallet
How much? As much as Trea Turner does for the Phillies. The difference here being Correa now becomes a luxury allstar backup SS to Lindor “in case of injury” while providing great defense and good offense at 3rd base.
Correa signing with any team makes them better. Just like Turner signing with a team makes them better.
Led Hoyer
I am sure for Mets fans the payroll won’t be the story but to the rest of the baseball world it will be the only story. This is the epitome of buying a ring. I don’t even want to think about the next collective bargaining agreement if the Mets dominate for the next 4-5 years running at a loss.
Sunday Lasagna
I’m a Dodger fan and it doesn’t bother me how much Cohen spends. Alerted that the Mets are a force at this point and a good chance we will see them in the playoffs, but not bothered. Steve Cohen has made this years hot stove league fascinating, most fun off season in many years.
avenger65
George Steinbrenner bought himself a WS team in the 90s. The onl can rem
avenger65
George Steinbrenner bought himself a WS team I believe in the 90s. The only ones I can remember was Reggie Jackson from the A’sand Wade Boggs from the Red Sox. People were outraged that he could do something like that. He went over the luxury tax but he didn’t care one bit.
avenger65
All I can say is, good luck Buck Showalter putting all of Cohen’s new pieces together.
Ma4170
The 2009 Yanks were the prime example of buying a title… and I’m sure their fans don’t care and are very happy they won it!
Led Hoyer
I don’t know this feels like a different stratosphere. Add in inflation and whatever else you want but this Mets payroll is going to be 300 million dollars more than 2009 Yankees team.
kingbum
Steve Cohen said “If you are going to go for it you go for it, what difference does $100 million make”….Steve Cohen has put baseball owners on notice that payroll to him just does not matter much like George Steinbrenner used to do with the Yankees back in the day. Cohen will make money in his other ventures, this is about winning titles to him. He reminds me of the Golden State Warriors owner Lacob in that regard. Cohen is so rich he could have a billion dollar payroll and he wouldn’t sweat it…..
Led Hoyer
He’s got the screw you money, no doubt.
Blue Baron
@avenger65: Reggie Jackson was in 1977. You’re only two decades off.
Pads Fans
With the Luxury tax, what the 2009 Yankees spent would be worth $345.7 million in today’s money. Cohen has gone beyond that.
stymeedone
It takes talent to win by putting together a team within the same framework as everyone else. If the Mets win because they outspent the next team by $100MM in payroll, I will consider them inferior because that’s the only way they could compete. This is not being a little over the CBT. Its being shameless. No honor in that.
NYMetsFanatic
I don’t know how you could say that after how the end of last season played out for the Mets, not to mention all the free agents that went elsewhere this off-season. Sure, maybe to other teams and their fanbases it seems like that’s what Cohen is doing, but he’s not. I think it’s very unfair to suggest a successful businessman when he’s clearly doing everything he can to change the team and its poor reputation all for the better. Just because it’s extremely rare to find someone so wealthy that a 90% tax doesn’t even slow him down from reinforcing. Team, shouldn’t give anyone license to suggest he’s spending money for the sake of spending money.
Cohens_Wallet
@stymeed
No honor? So if I own a convenience store and my competition can’t keep up with what I’m doing and at the end I take all customers, that means no honor? Who makes the decision of what’s honorable or not? You?
I get it people, Cohen is doing something that’s never been done before. I sense your frustration, but this was the same laughing stock of an organization that could get NOTHING right before Cohen got here. You don’t have to give us Mets fans the moment, we’re going to take the moment nonetheless.
NYMetsFanatic
Yes, I’m sure he’ll have a heck of a time with it, the poor guy. /s
Ma4170
I’ll say it again, how much they outspent the next team by (about 90M) doesn’t matter – it’s the % differential between the top team and the next team. It’s only about 34% higher than the next team, when you had teams like the 2009 yanks and the 2013 yanks and dodgers that outspent the next team by well over 40%. And yeah, it makes a difference. Salaries for top guys now are in the 40-45M range, where back then they were in the 25-30M range. It’s no different than those teams – in fact, it’s less extreme.
Led Hoyer
It’s easy to blow the competition away if you are running your store with massive losses. The other 29 convenience stores are trying turn a profit. Fun for the Mets fans but probably not great for baseball. This is a Spite team
Canosucks
Yes if he Mets did nothing they would have lost 6 FA
So yes they are only up 2; that is not a wow
Secondly they owe 48 million to Cano and McCann that will be gone after this year and next and Max and Justin will be gone in 2 years
Pads Fans
Mets won’t be losing money until they are well over $400 million for salaries and penalties. Where are they now?
VonPurpleHayes
I disagree with that because the Phillies had no SS. The Mets already had one. So Turner moves the needle much more for the Phillies than Correa does for the Mets. And that’s not even saying Turner is better than Correa. I just think Correa’s true value is at SS or even 2B. He’s wasted at third. He was signed for his bat which is very good, but again, the Mets were already a playoff team. Does Correa’s bat make them beat the Padres in round 1 last year? I don’t think so. My point isn’t that it’s a bad move. It’s just that it wasn’t needed.
VonPurpleHayes
@Ma4170 Mets are at 502M. That’s around 47% higher than the Yankees at 310M. Higher than your 2009 Yankees analogy.
VonPurpleHayes
502M with penalties.
VonPurpleHayes
You can see a breakdown here, but the Mets are currently at 502M and this is before the rumored Hendriks trade. The 2009 Yankees analogy doesn’t work because the Mets are blowing that away by % as well. They are spending over 47% more than the 2nd highest payroll, and this is in an error when more teams are spending big. The Cohen Mets cannot be judged in the same way as other teams. They’re in their own league. It’s great for the Mets fans, but even they have to admit this is excessive. Still who cares? Enjoy.
foxsports.com/stories/mlb/breaking-down-the-mets-p…
Ma4170
Can’t count the penalties. They’re paying out 380 in salaries and that’s what’s reflected on team payroll. The rest are just mlb penalties added on top, not what they’re paying the players.
Ma4170
Again that counts the penalties, which are not the actual payroll numbers. It’s just a news story to post it that way. It’s their total financial obligation, but not player salaries. Yanks are next around 290m. Mets are only 90m more than that, which is just over 30% higher.
Ma4170
I agree it’s excessive, but it’s not historically excessive in relation to the other teams below them, no more so than what I cited. None of us should care about the penalties, they’re honestly irrelevant. Other teams have been paying penalties for years, just not to these new thresholds.
VonPurpleHayes
Of course you can count the penalties. You have to. That’s what they’re spending this year. That’s part of the Cohen advantage that other teams don’t have. In your 2009 analogy, you were counting the total of what the Yankees were paying.
Ma4170
@von – no, that’s not the payroll in terms of salaries to players. That’s not the actual payroll that will even be shown by Spotrac and other outlets historically. None of those other numbers you see from past years include penalties. They’re paying $380M to players. The penalties are separate.
outinleftfield
He didn’t even start negotiating until late afternoon and by early the next morning had a 12 year $315 million deal agreed to. All I can say is if I was a baseball player, that is who I would want as my agent.
outinleftfield
$490 million with luxury taxes after the McCann trade.
steelerbravenation
Because between state & city taxes in San Fran he will actually pocket more than he would have with the Giant deal even though it was $35 million more
youngliam
There are no city taxes on income lol
youngliam
Well now who wants to go to the ballpark and buy $17 beers with another year of nobodies on the roster
BaseballisLife
Between NY state and NYC taxes, Correa will pay more taxes.
If he was worried about taxes he would have signed with the Marlins.
User 2079935927
Really? California is tax central.
kje76
Maybe if it were a team in Texas or Florida, steelerbravenation, but NYC is close to even in taxes with SF.
Blue Baron
@youngliam: There is local income tax in NYC and Yonkers in New York, Philadelphia, and several other cities and towns in the US.
mlbtrsks
@youngliam – there most certainly is a city income tax in San Francisco; 1.5% and it’s no laughing matter having to pay a half million for the “priviledge” of living or working there. Virtually every large city in the U.S. has such a tax, along with numerous smaller cities as well.
mlbtrsks
…including SF @ 1.5%
Pads Fans
There are in NYC. Just not in SF.
RobM
He’ll likely buy a home in Jupiter Florida near the Mets training facility and declare that his home. Judge has a home in Tampa, which is his primary. Derek Jeter claimed Florida as his home. Still does. That will shelter Correa for half the year, and of course, he’ll be out of town traveling to other cities during the season. The difference between NY and CA won’t matter that much.
JPR
lol? Check before you post – city income tax is pretty common.
Pads Fans
MLB players are taxed on everything except signing bonuses in the city/state where they play games.
Pads Fans
It is. 7 MLB teams in the US play in cities with local income taxes.
I was wrong about SF. They have a 1.50% local income tax. The difference there is is is paid by employers, not the employees, Players are not subject to that tax.
tax-rates.org/california/san-francisco-income-tax
phenomenalajs
That $35M can easily be made up by the client in endorsements. We’re talking about one year less by the time he earned the bulk of that contract vs having nothing to show for it right now.
The Saber-toothed Superfife
And who says he can’t get another afterwards anyways? SF didn’t he right thing if Correas’ heart was not wasn’t in it…… ❤️
MarkieFresh
IDK about that. That is a lot of get for a baseball player. Correa has been the premium baseball guy with Adidas since 2016 in the 1-2m a year range. Ohtani, Trout and Harper are the only MLB players I can find that are definitely pulling down more than 2m a year.
Led Hoyer
Every little leaguer in America wears the Bryce Harper or Mike Trout shoes.
Benjamin101677
Are New York taxes less than California ??
petefrompp
Yes – NY state income tax is less than Ca. Even with the city tax- NY is less. I don’t think it was at all a point of discussion in this case.
Time will tell if the Giants medical concern was legitimate – in the short term its a bad look for SF- and will make signing free agents even harder than before.
At this point -SF might as well quadruple their minor league investments – because unless they develop some position players they are done in the NL west.
Pads Fans
This might answer that for you. taxfoundation.org/publications/state-local-tax-bur…
Also keep in mind that NYC has income tax for residents. One of the few cities that do in the country.
bhoops
The Giants were possibly angling to get some discount for the potential future injury concern. In that case, if Boras figured that he was going to take some money back he might as well get his client on a winning team and show strength for future negotiations if another team tries to use the same tactic.
The Giants agreed to a week to look at medical records and then tried to renegotiate for more time after the fact. Boras showed them (and everyone else) that he doesn’t renegotiate. He called their bluff and then got a nearly as good deal for his client in a few hours.
I seriously doubt the Giants front office is breathing a sigh of relief or high fiving each other for what just happened. I bet they went from stunned, to pissed, to panicked.
CalcetinesBlancos
How was it a bluff?
Pads Fans
The Giants were figuring Boras would cave and give them more time after they already had more time than teams typically get to do physicals and go over medicals. They thought that there was no market beyond them and they could renegotiate after already having made an agreement..
They were wrong and it took less than 12 hours to get Correa another $300 + million deal.
RobM
He also got Correa $350MM total after Correa’s former agent seemingly misread the market during the lockout, leading to his being dismissed. Boras came up with the great Twins contract that got him $35MM last year, and now an additional $315MM. His handling of Correa last off season and now this off season shows why he’s the best in the business.
outinleftfield
Remember all the people that said Correa was stupid not to sign that 10/275 deal with the Tigers?
Catuli Carl
The man is selling damaged goods for 315 million USD
JPR
How is Correa damaged goods, exactly?
Catuli Carl
Ask the Giants
MarlinsFanBase
@rsmith
When you can get someone to pay $315 million for a horse without looking in his mouth like the previous prospective user did that walked away, you are indeed a good business man.
The old saying goes, “Never look a GIFT horse in the mouth.” The saying does not go, “Never look a $315 million horse in the mouth” which is what Boras got the Mets to do. He is indeed a great business man.
TheMan 3
I wouldn’t be surprised if Boros was lying, he is after all an attorney.
But if questioned before a judge, lying would be perjury. He’s knowledgeable enough to know that
Mattimeo09
When was he questioned before a judge?
TheMan 3
is reading comprehension an issue for you, Mattimee009?
luclusciano
I haven’t heard SF say anything to the contrary. When that happens, then assumptions can be made.
outinleftfield
If Boras lied, the Giants would have been all over that trying to salvage their standing with future FA. This situation will make it very hard for them to sign any top free agents unless something comes out showing they just didn’t get cold feet.
That they didn’t say a word about his explanation of the timeline of events or leak something about their reasoning says pretty clearly that he was telling the truth.
That all the sports writers are hearing the same thing from their source in the Giants organization about the injury from 2014 being the reason they backed out doesn’t help there cause or point to Boras lying about anything.
CalcetinesBlancos
He got bailed out by Cohen.
iverbure
Giants are the clear cut winners of the offseason. Didn’t get locked into any 10 year plus deals.
baseballencyclopedia
As a Giants fan, I’m relieved! That was a close one. Didn’t want that contract weighing us down forever. Not worth it.
tedtheodorelogan
So glad we aren’t paying talented players to play baseball. It’s way more fun to save Charles Johnson money and not make the playoffs. Clearly what they hired Farhan to do.
agnes gooch
@baseballencylopedia I’m relieved too!
JudgementDay
@iver How can a 3rd place in a division and no playoffs be considered a winner?
aircobra
They very easily could have missed the playoffs with him. Now they aren’t locked into a 13 year deal. They also made the playoffs 2 seasons ago with a roster nobody expected to be good. You cannot predict how a season will go.
agnes gooch
@VegasatNights Is 2023 over yet? I didn’t think so
Pads Fans
For the Giants it is. They don’t have the trade capital to bring in any impact players in trade and there are none left on the FA market.
Another 3rd or 4th place finish. Falling ticket sales. Probably the end of Farhan’s tenure.
iverbure
You can’t win every year. Aren’t the giants a season removed from 107 wins?
Pads Fans
Yep. Then Posey retired, other key players left, and the team went to bleep in a handbasket.
mlbtrsks
Boras is not a businessman, but an attorney representing the interests of his client.
mlbdodgerfan2015
Boras is a hated agent because he is a crazy good negotiator and gets the best for his clients. I would sign with him if I was a professional athlete.
Yeah, as fans we hate him because at times his antics lead to our teams not acquiring his clients. But I’m sure clients have leeway on how hard they have Boras negotiating.
Treehouse22
Congrats to the Giants organization for having the courage to back out of this nonsensical contract.
Alkie
This is the proper take.
Travis’ Wood
It’s the proper take if you have zero clue what you’re talking about. People said the exact same thing about Harper and machado
TJECK109
The giants were dumb in handing out that contract to him in the first place. I think this was buyers remorse more than anything else
Travis’ Wood
Dumb to pay $26 mil per year to one of the best players in the league. Sure thing man.
Lanidrac
The Machado deal is actually pretty reasonable, since he’ll only be 36 when it ends (if he doesn’t exercise the opt-out).
Led Hoyer
Harper has a long way to go. So far it’s been great.
excusemeflo
Is he though?
Treehouse22
It’s not the AAV as much as it is the length of the contract, and the potential injury risk, which their medical staff fortunately caught.
claude raymond
rols, nonsensical was a bad choice of words by budgetball IMO. You saying budgetball has zero clue is a worse choice of words cuz you’re bashing the poster for his opinion. My 2 cents says I’m glad they aren’t stuck with the Correa contract. Problem is that many players have been signed since the Giants agreed to get Correa. 13 years? No loss, but nobody is left to sign.
tedtheodorelogan
Enjoy another year of Brandon Crawford and a sub 700 ops hitting in the middle of the lineup.
Treehouse22
It looks so much more reasonable now, doesn’t it? Machado could actually still contribute until he’s 34 or 35.
Treehouse22
re: Machado’s contract
agnes gooch
@rols1026 Do Harper and Machado have rings?
Travis’ Wood
$26 mil per year for a 5 win player is nonsensical? Just cause it’ll have a few bad years at the end? You really don’t understand how much surplus value they’re getting upfront
Clepto_
…assuming surplus value IF he is and remains injury free. “Having no clue” vs aversion to risk are 2 different things. And if he does get hurt or is hurt, Budget Ball is spot on.
Travis’ Wood
Even if he misses 40 games per year he’s worth this contract. Comments like these are so delusional. There’s probably an equal chance he provides surplus value than there is that he gets a major injury and misses hundreds of games. Calling the contract nonsensical shows a complete lack of understanding of the current economics of baseball
Clepto_
Rols, based on your spending of “other’s people’s money”, I have read all I need to read on your knowledge of baseball economics.
Travis’ Wood
Based on potential getting tons of surplus value upfront, and based on $26 mil being nothing by 2035
Pads Fans
Even with the past injuries, Correa’s value in terms of WAR is high enough to have provided the team signing him with a huge surplus value in the first few years.
Pads Fans
Based on the value of a point of WAR in FA contracts this offseason, $26 million is about 2.6 WAR.
Led Hoyer
There is a good chance 5-6 of those years were going to be bad. New York obviously doesn’t care about budget or money, so makes more sense. Heyman just reported on mlb radio that the Mets payroll alone likely has them in the red and that doesn’t include any operating costs. No team besides the Mets is going to run in that manner.
Pads Fans
If 5-6 years of a 13 year deal might be bad then 7-8 years would be good? That would be worth it,
Pads Fans
The Mets have higher revenue than the Braves. When announcing the Cohen purchase of the Mets, Manfred said that the Mets were in the top 5 revenue clubs. No one has said that about the Braves.
Liberty Media reported revenue of $545 million with $132 million in non-player related expenses.
That would indicate they had about $400 million they could have spent on player related expenses including salaries, travel, and benefits like team contributions to the retirement fund before going into the red.
I think Cohen is near to the point where he won’t make a profit, but not in the red yet.
outinleftfield
Oh, I think at $490 million including the luxury tax, Cohen is far into the red. He is paying out the nose in order to get them into the playoffs and possible win a ring this year or next.
That being said, even with Correa on board, by 2025 they will be under the CBT by $40 million or so if they don’t resign Verlander. Scherzer or Alonso. They have a pretty solid farm system with 3 guys knocking on the door today and if they trade Escobar they could add to that stockpile of prospects.
Lanidrac
Having those bad years at the end usually does indeed make a contract regrettable even if you do get some surplus value at the beginning.
Travis’ Wood
You guys don’t realize how little $26 mil will be in baseball terms by 2035….
Led Hoyer
Huh? Did you make the same argument about Pujols, votto and Cabrera 10 years ago. All of those contracts look very ugly and expensive.
Clepto_
Thanks for the lecture on the time-value of money. No one here knew about that concept, ever.
Lanidrac
No matter how much baseball salaries increase by 2035, it will still be terrible to pay a guy $26M to produce less than 1 WAR, as is likely.
Pads Fans
Regrettable for whom? Never heard a single owner say that they regretted signing a player other than Josh Hamilton.
Pads Fans
In 2023 its wonderful to pay a guy just $26 million to produce 6 WAR. Its $34 million in surplus value. Just a couple of those seasons would pay for more than a few at the end of a contract with less than 1 WAR.
Lanidrac
In technical value, maybe. However, in actual value of the overall contract, that excess value at the beginning does not at all make up for multiple dead years at the back end, especially if they’re stupid enough to backload the annual salaries.
While most owners and GMs won’t admit it, they often do regret these kinds of contracts when they go belly up in the second half of the deal, no matter how much excess value the first half provides.
outinleftfield
Votto deal looks really good at this point. 137 OPS+ and 30.0 WAR over the first 9 years of a 10 year deal with only 2 seasons below league average. He could get injured and miss all of 2023 and it would still be a good deal for the Reds
outinleftfield
When a player provides performance that is worth more than twice the cost early in a contract, he can have a few bad years at the back end and it still be profitable for the teams signing them.
Teams keep signing big name FA players to these deals for one simple reason, they are profitable. If they weren’t, they would sign other players for less. Baseball is a business and profit is the goal of all businesses long term. A business might take a short term loss, but long term we need profits.
Treehouse22
Giants fans response:
youtube.com/watch?v=IUZEtVbJT5c
Treehouse22
Happy holidays to Giants Nation, and all of you devoted baseball fans.
bhoops
Agreeing to a contract, that no one forced you into, and then backing out because you have cold feet is courageous?
The Giants are a franchise headed in the wrong direction with a lack of impact players at the major league level and a mediocre farm system. They are averaging 8000 fewer fans per game compared to five years ago. They compete in the same division as the Padres and Dodgers, and, unlike the Diamondbacks, they don’t have the young, cheap talent to compete.
California is expensive and no one wants to play for a loser unless they are getting paid. Correa’s life with $350m or $315m isn’t going to be markedly different. But the Giants have no one to replace Crawford in a year, no one to sell jerseys, no one to generate interest. They are going to have to overpay no matter who they sign next year.
There is no way Ohtani signs with them, he’ll be an Angel or a Dodger. Maybe they get Machado at almost 32 years old for 10y/$300m. Or Devers for 14y/$400m.
This offseason is a colossal failure for the Giants. They built up expectations and failed to deliver. They once again failed to rebuild and now are committed to spending money (and more importantly roster spots) on the likes of Joc Pederson and Sean Manea, players who won’t be on the next good Giants team unless the team extends them for even more money.
The Giants aren’t courageous, they are cowardly and rudderless.
Clepto_
Bhoops: contract was “agreed pending”. After reading your first statement, and knowing this small fact, I disregarded all the other keyboard diarrhea. Good day.
Pads Fans
As a Padres fan I absolutely love the incompetence Farhan is showing. I would bet Dodgers fans feel the same way.
JudgementDay
Zaidi feels very bold about what he’s going to do this offseason, warning San Diego and Los Angeles of his intentions.
Zaidi said that “no one is out of our capability” from a financial point of view, implying that the Giants will be in on most of the big names floating out there on the market. The Padres have made some big signings in the last few years, but they will have some serious intra-division competition in 2022.
Where’s the Zaidi that said this…..no where in sight, great ownership by the giants
kahnkobra
yeah right
Yoki
At the risk of alienating every other Free Agent that they’d want to sign.
Yeah, that’s a real smart move. . .
This one belongs to the Reds
The agent said no big deal. This is news? You expected something different than sugar coating this?
Dbacks44
Boras is like a smart cars salesman. You can’t trust him. If it wasn’t for Cohen spending like a kid in the candy store he would be doing whatever the giants want.
bucsfan0004
“Decades old injury”. Correa is 28. Something from when he was 8 is in his medical records? Boras, always the spinner/salesman
TheMan 3
Boros said that Bonds never took steroids during the Balco scandal
How did that turn out?
kje76
What exactly did you expect Boras to say? He was asked, and gave the appropriate answer for his client. if he throws Bonds under the bus in that situation, he looks bad to prospective clients.
TheMan 3
If Boros had any integrity he’d have dropped Bonds as a client but for him it’s only about his 20% of his client’s contract
Pads Fans
MLB agents get 5% of their clients contracts.
Pads Fans
No he didn’t. He was not Barry Bond’s agent. That was Jeff Borris.
Please just stop. Every comment you make just makes you look more and more uneducated about baseball.
outinleftfield
Jeff Borris was Barry Bonds agent, not Scott Boras.
outinleftfield
How much agents charge players is specified in the agents agreement with the MLBPA. They can charge less, but they can’t charge more.
At 5% I think Boras Corporation will be ok. His clients signed contracts worth over $1 billion this offseason.
rct
My thoughts exactly. “Decades ago”? Does Correa have a few chicken pox scars that worried the Giants?
retire21
Exactly. Boras is a smart guy, don’t believe me just ask him, but someone needs to tell him that 8 years is not “decades”.
retire21
HIPAA
outinleftfield
He actually said “There are things in his medical record that happened decades ago.”
What he was saying is that the medical records that teams get is so complete that they include things that happened decades ago. Part of the UPC is that players sign away their HIPAA rights. Teams can and do report injuries and treatments both to MLB and the other teams and to the public.
seamaholic 2
Cohen hasn’t spent a dime of his own money. This is all from Mets revenue.
outinleftfield
At close to $500 million, I would think that he is starting to come out of pocket by now.
I may be wrong about that. If his revenue is $700 million like the Dodgers and Yankees he could still be pocketing some profit.
yewed
I read something else that Boras said that after the Giants called off the press conference they told him that they still wanted to negotiate but he never heard back from them.
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Pads Fans
Here you go.
twitter.com/susanslusser/status/160560634991158887…
yewed
Yep, that’s it.
Different versions or at the very least partial info all coming from Boras.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Is that Boras’ job? Yet, the league keeps making deals with him. Why else would premier free agents be willing to part with up to 5% of their hundreds of millions.
For Love of the Game
Sometimes the best deal is the one you didn’t make, eh Giants? Squirmed your way out of that one.
solaris602
I have to agree. I seriously doubt that a medical issue was at the heart of this. The Giants are far more than a player away from being genuinely competitive in the NL West. Even with Correa in the fold they’d still be looking at 3rd or 4th place next year. Could be they decided to sit this one out and try for Ohtani a year from now.
bhoops
There is no way they get Ohtani next year. They are the 3rd, and maybe 4th, most likely California team to sign him. If he wants to play where he is comfortable and doesn’t care about winning, he’ll stay with the Angels (who will be a lot more competitive than the Giants). The Dodgers will throw as much money as the Giants at him, and they are a much better team and organization. Heck, the Padres may be seeing Machado leave, with Soto one year after him–I could see them offering 8y/$400m.
dennymagnet
Oh my bhoops the Dodger blue just bled through. Much better organization?
Let’s see,
Mookie Betts
Freddie Freeman
Trea Turner
Max Scherzer
Trevor Bauer
and all you managed to win was a shortened season. You basically bought a top OF-SS-2B-SP and last year you came 2nd in the division and how did those playoffs go?
Giants are just fine, sure it’s easy to say attendance has been down after selling out every year, but Giants fans are everywhere and the bank account is full. Never would I go back to Chavez Ravine to see a game, how can a stadium be so cold in that heat. Oracle Park is a dream.
Also you seem to know nothing about Ohtani, he will either be a Mariner, Angel or Giant.
Good Day
Pads Fans
Last time the Giants had good attendance was 2018.. They are down 8,000 per game from that season and 11,000+ per game from their peak in 2015-2016.
The Padres outdrew them by 6k per game in 2022. Even the Rockies outdrew the Giants. Winning matters for attendance in SF. They won’t win this season, so how far down will attendance go now?
dennymagnet
It’s called COVID a big reason attendance was down, but hey at least you addressed one point.
Good Luck
Pads Fans
Ohtani is only going to a team that will have a 6 man rotation.
Angels have done that with Ohtani. The Padres did that for most of last season. Mariners did it for part of the 2022 season. With Kershaw winding down his career the Dodgers might be willing to do that.
The Giants? Farhan ruled that out as a possibility for 2023.
Pads Fans
In 2022? When the Padres who are in the same state outdrew them by 20%? Get real. Its about winning. The Giants won’t do that for the foreseeable future,
Yoki
Yeah, except unless something happens in the new CBA, all top free agents will ask for mega long term deals like the ones they passed on Correa.
So whoever is this other player, we will end up in the same situation.
just_thinkin
With Balfour, always worth mentioning that the Orioles were absolutely correct.
Waymann
Absolutely. The O’s front office at the time got a good bit of backlash for that IIRC. Then Balfour pitched bad in 2014 and awful in 2015.
Time will tell on this one with Correa. My guess is the Giants saw some type of “not a problem now but might become one with age” concern.
O'sSayCanYouSee
Albert Belle changed the Orioles as much as Mike Elias.
theathlete
And the Orioles took a lot of heat for backing out of that deal with Balfour but they ended up being right.
outinleftfield
Balfour ended up having a good career. Sub 3.50 ERA and played more than a decade.
fljay73
A team is going to take a ultimatum from a agent regarding a $350mil investment? Smart move San Fran in waiting on second opinions. Now they have $350mil to re invest in other players.
Palehosed85
While I wholeheartedly agree with your stance, there is one problem. The free agent pool has dried up quite a bit while they were waiting on Correa’s medicals. They may have to resort to the trade market.
Travis’ Wood
What other players?
Basebombs
Get ready to take a lot of L’s this season.
Hurricane Sandy
“Now they have $350mil to re invest in other players.” – said Giants fans before signing nobody this offseason.
Bird4Life
It wasn’t medical related but Dexter Fowler agreed to terms and then backed out if I recall correctly
O'sSayCanYouSee
Backed out on Orioles and signed w/ Cubs(??) Dexter Fowler, yeah? I remember Adam Jones being salty about it too.
Waymann
Ah, I forgot about this one. The O’s wanted to deduct the slot-value of the pick they’d be losing because of the QO on Fowler. Believe they offered 3/33 and he took 1/8 from the Cubs instead because of the last minute signing.
One of the interesting “what if” scenarios from the 2010’s but both sides saw benefits from how it played out. O’s lose out on what would have been a big piece for their 2016 wild-card season but avoided paying for Fowler’s terrible 2018 season. Fowler got the big payday from the Cards for 2017-2020 where as he would have otherwise been entering the market again after 2018 with little bargaining power.
misterb71
I could be remembering things incorrectly, but I believe a good part of the reason Jones was so salty was Fowler had made contact with Jones, told him he was on his way to join the O’s then the next thing the O’s knew Fowler’s agent was going public about signing with a different team and blasting the O’s for leaking information. There was something completely funky about how that whole mess went down and nobody went on the record with what actually took place.
Dbacks44
am I the only one who feel the giants won with Correa and judge? One is a good player and the other is a huge guy who would breakdown eventually. Those are huge contracts. They are 2 years removed from being a 100 win team. They have a solid pitching staff and good players. Hanger will help.
Digdugler
Judge is more of an “Impact” for his healthy years, still probably dodged a bullet not getting either unless SF could have written off the dead years.
Dbacks44
To me the giants have never been a team that buys their players. They are smart.. One of the best organizations in baseball. I’m surprised at the crap they are getting.
foppert
Yes they are. Smart and professional.
Like most teams, there is a consistently loud section of Giant fans that are all too keen to share their self entitled outlook. No surprise at all that they are bringing the hammer down. Makes the decision to back out all the more admirable.
GhostofRandySavage
No, both players would have made the giants much better
tiredolddude
And after all of this, the Mets still won’t sniff the World Series
VonPurpleHayes
Oh they’ll sniff it for sure. Maybe not win it, but barring disaster I can’t imagine them not making the playoffs.
saluelthpops
Correct. And they’ll blame it all on injuries—pretending they had no idea what was to come.
Moneyballer
Exactly, and cohen literally said that correa puts them over the top. What a complete fool!
VonPurpleHayes
He’ll be saying that every trade deadline and every offseason.
Canosucks
What is an owner suppose to say; this signing will make us lose every game?
Still as a long time Mets fan I was happy and saw everything up to now short term contracts replacements for 6 FA leaving but this one is over the top and not necessary; I blame the Giants and Far Hand.
Moneyballer
No he’s needs reality to smack him right in the face and that reality is that no team is one player away from winning it all. So don’t say it!
outinleftfield
Yup. All people that are self made billionaires are complete fools. Every baseball exec that took his team from a laughing stock to the playoffs in 2 years is a fool.
Dumpster Divin Theo
An old injury- the kind that rubbing out makes one go blind?
beknighted
Scott Boras would try to sell you a Ford Pinto if he became a used car salesman instead of a sports agent.
bloomquist4hof
If he was a car salesman he’d own the dealership
adkuchan
And you’d buy. He’s the best in his business. No shame in that.
cubfanforever
Maybe Boras sold me my Ford Pinto decades ago. Zero to 60 in a minute and a half.
acoss13
You have to wonder what was the issue the Giants found with Correa that made them wait on the signing. Boras can say one thing, but it’d be interesting to hear the Giants’ side of the story.
Jdt8312
You won’t. HIPPA laws prevent them from commenting on it.
bhoops
HIPPA laws do not prevent the Giants from commenting on many of the things that Boras shared. For instance, Boras claimed that the Giants asked for an extension for the agreed-upon time to review medical records. The Giants can refute that if he is lying.
outinleftfield
In the UPC MLB players sign away most of their HIPAA rights. The Giants saying anything publicly before he signs with another team would be more of a libel (is that the right term?) issue. He could sue them for damaging his potential earnings unless they could prove the injury was relevant today.
Yoki
Well, they put in a very vague response, so one has to think that Boras might be telling the truth.
Pads Fans
Giants can’t officially say because of HIPAA laws, but the story is already out from people within the Giants organization. Read what Slusser wrote for the Chronicle and Rosenthal for the Athletic.
outinleftfield
That’s not true. Players sign away much of their HIPAA rights. The public gets to see their injuries, illnesses, and most of their treatments and the other teams have access to all of that information.
Eric Ferrari
It’s clear the cheap Giants were trying to bargain down the guaranteed money. Haggling like you were buying bootleg Jordan’s from a flea market.
jekporkins
Disagree… Correa instantly ran for the next available deal within HOURS and lost $355 million plus has to shift from his elite SS position. That’s a huge red flag something was off to me.
I don’t think it had to do with the Giant being cheap. I think it is like you’re about to buy a Ferrari and you take it to your mechanic and he says there’ serious concern about the engine. You want to spend that much money on a new car now?
This isn’t $100 million. Not $200 million. This is $350 million dollars. If you have a concern you should definitely back out. Plenty of other players will take that cash later. The Giants aren’t in win-now mode anyway. I think they are two years away.
Huck 3
He didn’t lose “355 million” … but I will assume that was a typo and you meant “$35 million”. But he didn’t “lose” what he didn’t have yet. The deal had not been finalized, and the Giants seemed to be looking for a way to renegotiate lower. So again, he didn’t lose anything.
He went to a team that wanted him, that he knew wanted him, and that made a generous and fair offer. He accepted. And with Lindor locked in at SS on the Mets, he knew he would have to switch positions. Others have done that before (see A. Rodriguez and D. Jeter), and he was willing. Correa and Lindor are friends.
I don’t see any “red flags” other than the Giants looking for a way to back out or renegotiate. They found a way. Whether or not they wanted this final result, that’s what they got.
Maybe you’re happy with the outcome now. Let’s see how you feel in a year, and in another three after that.
Yoki
Fair, except what was the reason for backing out? The Giants haven’t really said anything regarding the issue, and Boras, along with Giants beat reporters are coming out saying that the issue the Giants raised were no longer concerns.
Add to it that the Mets, and the Twins, who knew Correa’s medical history, also wanted to put in an offer (Mets got it).
It does look more and more like the Giants had buyer’s remorse, and tried to find any excuse they can to reneg on the deal., and they did.
Pads Fans
Slusser has since said it was Giants ownership that got cold feet.
bcjd
Is that clear? Not clear to me.
Waymann
Nah, I don’t get that read from it. My guess is that they found something in the history they think could be degenerative with age. A “not a problem now but will/might become one in the future”. Correa’s mid to late 30’s are coming for him like everyone else’s is.
Think later Albert Pujols on the Angels playing through plantar fasciitis (like the absolute beast he is). The Angels would have certainly wanted to trim a few of those years off the end if they’d had known that was coming.
Yoki
Maybe, but it’s hard to buy it.
The Mets didn’t seem to care. Now sure, it’s the Mets, and $350 million to Steve Cohen seems like it’s just something he puts on a tip jar, but what about the Twins?
The Twins knew Correa’s medical history, and still offered north of $250 million. That’s not a franchise loaded with cash like the Giants or the Mets, but they were still willing to make Correa their prized signing.
So two franchises doesn’t seem to mind Correa being flagged for medical stuff, and the Giants did.
On top of that, it’s been reported that the Giants cut off communications entirely.
Seems more likely that the Giants are looking for an excuse to reneg, and found it, than them finding something that they think is a significant issue.
hoya33
I assume but I believe that the quick jump to the Mets is based on some history that the Mets will over look HGH and PEDs showing in medical test and the Giants aren’t going down that road again. Also a reason why the Mets landed Verlander they would overlook HGH and PED samples and help players to cheat on MLBs test. People will take issue with me saying where’s the proof. Proof is in the player giving a sample that MLB will report the truth.
Pads Fans
What? Your tin foil hat is showing.
saluelthpops
What’s clear is that Correa wanted out of the agreement for one reason or another. A deal like this with the Mets doesn’t come together in a few hours. And if you think that whole “we just picked up where we left off” BS is true (between Cohen and Boras) then we’re all morons. Did they both just happen to be in Hawaii at the same time? Not a chance. This conversation/negotiation started way before they are indicating.
Huck 3
Really? The Giants held it up for over a week, then on top of that delayed the introductory conference. And they complained about the medical history. Yeah, that sure sounds like Correa bailed on the Giants.
Another team was ready to sign him while the Giants got cold feet. Opportunity knocked again, and the Mets scooped him up. They had initially started a conversation before the Giants and Boras and Correa had made the verbal agreement, so all they had to do was pick that back up. Cohen was willing to close the deal, and so were Correa and Boras. Case closed.
And BTW, I didn’t read anything about Boras being in Hawaii, although Cohen was. Where did you read that? SI has a story on how it happened.
Pads Fans
si.com/mlb/2022/12/21/carlos-correa-mets-contract-…
outinleftfield
Boras was in San Francisco for the scheduled press conference.
Huck 3
Thanks. That was my guess, but I hadn’t seen it anywhere.
PGM
As a long time Giants’ fan this whole thing doesn’t smell right
right or wrong in this Correa scenario, after 4 years it is my opinion that Zaidi does not inspire confidence
I can’t see why any FA of value would sign with a potentially high payroll team that behaves like the A’s and there is no consistency from season to season outside of knowing Zaidi will scour the DFA scrap heap hoping to get lucky, 37 position players cycled through the major league roster last season, neither Manaea nor Stripling will be on the roster in September if they have season’s with any value at all
foppert
Go to the Giants mlb page and listen to and/or read the interviews by Manaea, Stripling and Haniger on why they joined the Giants. The answer is there. Lots of consistency in there comments.
kje76
There is a big difference between Manaea, Stripling, and Haniger on one hand, and Correa and Judge on the other hand. Smaller (though certainly solid players) sign with SF, but they’ve struck out on the higher profile options.
Pads Fans
Go listen to the players in 100s of press conferences announcing signings and they will all be extremely similar.
tigerdoc616
Interesting. Doubt the Mets will back out. IF Bora$$ is telling the truth, then the Mets would have known the issue the Giants were having. The Mets easily could have consulted their doctors before agreeing to a contract. Certainly, there will be differences of opinion regarding such things.
Also sounds like Bora$$ pulled the plug on the deal because the Giants were taking too long to decide about the medical reports. Understand why he would do that but then it was him who killed the deal with SF, not the other way around.
ChrisEnvy76
We should all recognize that this contract with the Mets is also pending his physical. LOL.
VonPurpleHayes
Mets don’t do physicals. They have 2 40-year old pitchers.
getrealgone2
Ol’ Carny Boras
Hyatt Visa
BORE-ASS!!!!!!!
Deleted Userr
Least the Giants still have Arson Judge.
Holy Cow!
Arson Judge spelled backwards is Egduj Nosra.
VonPurpleHayes
Giants getting bashed, but to me it sounds like they did their due diligence. Cohen doesn’t care about damaged goods. Give him 3 good years upfront for a chance at the WS title.
PhilliePhan
Any Giants fan who purchased tickets in the last 10 days should be able to back out of that deal as well.
TheMan 3
true fans won’t care PhilliePhan. Your city should know, despite Greg Luziinski, Steve Carlton and Mike Schmidt having great success during the 70’s, they never won a WS, and it didn’t stop their fans from attending games
VonPurpleHayes
They won in 1980 though.
TheMan 3
I said “ 1970”s
Is that in the 80’s decade?
SMH
misterb71
You do realize that Carlton and Schmidt were eventually joined by Rose and ended up winning in 1980 and losing a 2nd World Series to the Orioles just a few years later?
TheMan 3
reading comprehension seems to be allergic on this thread
Pads Fans
It has stopped Giants fans from attending games. Their per game attendance is down 11,000 or 25% from their peak in 2015-16.
PGM
my 12 year old was sympathizing with all the kids who custom ordered Correa jerseys at $130 a pop in the last week
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Their parents were going to allow them to wear a Correa jersey???
Pads Fans
No. Their parents bought them the jerseys. Most 12 year olds don’t have that much money in their wallets or the credit card needed to order that jersey online.
OnMy11Six
ROFL we don’t even know what number he was going to wear
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Onmy6, hahahahahaha OK now that got ME laughing…
10centBeerNight
A couple of reports saying NYM still in market for 4th OF and pen. Gotta think that’s attainable by trade. And more modest names
VonPurpleHayes
I think they get Hendriks for the pen. They can trade prospects now. As for a 4th OF, Conforto?
10centBeerNight
I may be reading too much into it – but market appears apprehensive on Conforto. He’s a real enigma with that injury
Hurricane Sandy
As they should be. Even a healthy Conforto made Mets fans apprehensive. That’s one client Boras is not serving with sound advice. He needs to accept a 1 year make-good contract with performance incentives and a possible vesting option. Teams just aren’t buying him right now and he’s not getting it.
VonPurpleHayes
I mean clearly the Mets don’t care about that. They literally just signed a guy with a red flag. Also Verlander, Scherzer, Corrasco…injuries and age mean nothing to Cohen.
Pads Fans
Not sure that an older injury that dates back prior to Correa’s MLB career is a red flag.
Canosucks
As a long time Mets fan no one wants Conforto back and it was before the shoulder issue
Cooperdooper7
Too bad this wasn’t the Red Sox and not the Giants….. The Blame Chaim Bloom nuts would be either storming Fenway Park to revolt or hiring a Hit on him or they would just be needing to call the suicide Hot line.
Everything about Scott Borass is dirty.
Pads Fans
Red Sox fans are already storming Fenway virtually to revolt and burning Bloom in effigy.
raulp
Boras showing his claws
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Giants fans may appreciate Farhan if this Correa deal goes south for the Mets. The Mets are going to either be a really good team or crash and burn.
I know Zaidi and Bloom get a lot of crap for not making big deals and going all in now, but honestly they might be better in the future for the deals they didn’t make.
Chipsss
A lot of long time Giants fans might shuffle off this mortal coil before the giants are “good” again, and absolutely before they have any real shot at consistently competing
steven st croix
They will both be out of a job soon
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
I’m not disagreeing with you on that. While I think their failures are small, they have to start winning.
dennymagnet
Start winning? Fluky or not 107 wins in 2021. Come on now.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Mostly referencing 2022 and the ever unhappy fan bases
YankeesBleacherCreature
That’s speaking like an apologist. Both the RS and SF should be spending for their respective markets.
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
Thr Giants should file a grievance against Boras. It’s 350 million dollars. They should at least get a week. Correa’s news just broke yesterday.
misterb71
You do have to wonder how long the Giants actually had to sort things out. I doubt the deal was announced and then the medical records start appearing. Granted, the team had to wait until the agreement was reached before he was required to take the physical, but the team probably saw something in the records and went looking for that specific thing during the physical. The original deal was finalized on the 13th and the team still hadn’t sorted things out after a week had passed. It does make you wonder.
Pads Fans
Eight days after Carlos Correa originally agreed with the San Francisco Giants on a 13-year, $350 million free-agent contract, they backed out.
maxorange33
I think the Giants had buyer’s remorse and wanted desperately to get out of it and so they did. The Mets are likely the only other team that would come close to the Giants offer and Boras pivoted to them.
It’s a win-win, Giants got out from the aging overpay years and the Mets got a good player and they don’t care about overpaying for anyone.
CalcetinesBlancos
“You’re talking about a player who has played eight major-league seasons,”
Really? Not according to his baseball card lol.
Pads Fans
You saying you can’t read baseball cards?
Try this then.
baseball-reference.com/players/c/correca01.shtml
CalcetinesBlancos
There’s 162 games in a season.
Pads Fans
He has played in 8 major league seasons. Are you that obtuse?
outinleftfield
After reading far too many of their comments, I think the answer to your question is yes.
cpdpoet
Why did I have that old Thompson Twins’ song “Lies” in my head as I read this article…..
Chorus:
Lies, lies, lies, yeah (they’re gonna get you)
Lies, lies, lies, yeah (they won’t forget you)
Lies, lies, lies, yeah (they’re gonna get you)
Lies, lies, lies, yeah (oh, you know I know)
Tdat1979
Very strange. Mets are usually the ones that find something unusual with the medical records.
Bobcastelliniscat
He hasn’t passed the Mets physical yet.
TellItGoodbye
Boras: “There are things in his medical record that happened decades ago” Decades ago? So like when Carlos was 6? Wow. I didn’t realize the Giants had access to Correa’s medical records from his Puerto Rican elementary school.
TellItGoodbye
Boras bailed because the Giants found the reason nobody wanted Correa last year and there was little competition this year. He found a sucker in Cohen. Say what you will about the Giants organization, but dumb is not something they are. They wanted him badly. They would only have pause if there was something seriously wrong. They didn’t dodge a bullet, they dodged a cannonball.
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TellCorreaGoodbye, I would have to be telling myself the very same thing as an SF fan if I lost a guy like this overnight as the rest of the world slept. Sad day for SF fans. None of us necessarily feel bad but we understand your pain and shock over this. On a brighter note, you guys have Joc and he’s always been a favorite of mine!
Pads Fans
Dumb is exactly what the Giants are. The injury they chose to go to battle with was a leg injury from 2014. Boras is the most influential agent in baseball and handles more clients than any other agent. The Giants just locked themselves out of his stable.
As a Padres fan I love this. It means we can count on the Giants not being a contender in the West for as long as who ever the decision maker was in this case, be that Farhan or the ownership.
The Giants tried to torpedo Correa’s value with an old injury and renegotiate. No high end FA regardless of their agent will trust the Giants to make an agreement and keep it.
Thank you Giants! Padres and Dodger’s fans appreciate your incompetence.
TellItGoodbye
If Correa is so great, why didn’t the Pads sign him?
And if the Pads are so great, why didn’t Judge take their higher offer?
Pads Fans
According to this site the Padres never made Judge a formal offer after MLB said they might veto the Padres 14 year/$400 million, $28.5 million AAV informal offer.
The Giants offered Judge the same amount of money as the Yankees. He decided to go back there for $40 million AAV. That Judge, a lifelong Giants fan and local boy, did that says volumes about the Giants.
And NEITHER of those things are germane to the subject at hand. The Giants messed up and top FA will not sign there or even get into discussions with them about signing there for fear of them pulling a stunt like this again.
dennymagnet
Exactly
CarverAndrews
Boras is just doing his job. No, I am not a big fan of agents and how they do business, but I would only have an issue with Scott if he was harming one of his clients in order to help another…and I am sure that he has been in that position as well.
Frankly, Boras would be doing his job properly if he was on the phone to Cohen every day until the Giants deal was finalized and officially signed. We do not have to admire him to realize that he is good at his career. The reality is that we are the ones at fault if we decide to trust what any agent says at their word. Same as any lawyer, or politician and so on.
Pads Fans
Or team owner or FO.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Or Jon Heyman.
Fooque2
Giants dodged a bullet….
O'sSayCanYouSee
Poor Twins fans??
Tried all they could, and still weren’t the second phone call.
Cooperdooper7
Could this lead to a Red Sox and Mets Trade involving Lindor?
VonPurpleHayes
No. They got Correa because Lindor likes him. Lindor is their star.
Led Hoyer
Lindor clearly has a lot of pull. Baez drooled over moving to second to play with Lindor and now Correa.
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Von, a lot of people are going to have a hard time accepting that! On the other hand….It’s TRUE!!!!
SFBay314
Power struggle between Ownership i.e. Charles Johnson and Farhan is real.
Supposedly Johnson made the deal for correa and Farhan just reminding everyone who runs the team with the physical loophole.
They better trade for someone big soon
King Floch
I remember everyone blasting the Orioles for the Balfour situation.
Then he posted a 5.00 ERA in a season and change with TB and never played another MLB game again.
FloridaSportsGuy
He was so awful. Couldn’t find the strike zone for anything.
Eatdust666
He was so bad that his production that season very much fit his last name, all that was missing was one l.
Pads Fans
Balfour played 12 seasons in the majors. He had a 3.49 career ERA.
baseball-reference.com/players/b/balfogr01.shtml
Eatdust666
Yeah, he did have a nice career.
outinleftfield
What are you talking about? Balfour played more than a decade and ended up with a sub 3.50 ERA. He was a good player.
FloridaSportsGuy
I meant his last two years with the Rays.
fred-3
The Giants got in bed with a guy with a talented player with character issues. They shouldn’t be surprised about this one but.
toomanyblacksinbaseball
Rats in the sewer. Who knew?
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No Rats just Gators!
Jiggs
Happy to see the Giants escaped that contract
brokenbat
Baseball is broken. This is insane. Without a salary cap, lets put the top 6 to 8 big market teams in their own league and call it AA. The rest of the teams in baseball can play in A. Why would any fan not in the top large 6-8 markets have any interest in baseball going forward? I am/was a serious baseball fan but I have lost interest completely. It doesn’t make sense for me to follow or support my team any longer when the economics of baseball are so screwed up.
toomanyblacksinbaseball
Ballpark prices, cable TV and subscriptions have taken sports away from the casual fan.
Bobcastelliniscat
Agree. The luxury tax is a joke.
O'sSayCanYouSee
Baseball already has the greatest parity of all the sports.
Without a salary cap.
I want my team to spend money to improve the product…not to improve MGMT profits.
Seamaholic
No it doesn’t. Did years ago, but not lately. Baseball is helped superficially by its playoffs being essentially random, but what teams make the playoffs has been getting better and better correlated with payroll for years (last year in the NL the correlation was perfect).
O'sSayCanYouSee
When did MLB no longer have the greatest parity?
Also, the playoffs expanded last season, and has been growing (w/ owers wanting even more) which increases parity too.
CLE, MIL, TAM, OAK, BAL have all been competitive and have post season teams lately, even though they are some of the smallest markets. BOS, TEX, AZ have larger markets, but don’t always have competitive teams.
Causation vs Coralation; I’m not seeing market size as a cause. Idk, I’ll have to look at it better. Thanks for the take.
Brew88
14 of the past 15 WS winners were teams in the top 8 in payroll, that doesn’t sound like parity
O'sSayCanYouSee
Are we using Market Size, or Payroll to determine Parity?
Are we using WS, or Post Season as the measurement to other sports?
revpar35
So 14 of the past 15 WS winners weren’t in the top 3 in payroll?
Wilmer the Thrillmer
I think the Giants dodged bullets by not signing Judge for 400mil and by not signing Correa. I know everyone wants the superstar, but the dollars are beyond berserk.
I thought Boras’ comments were pretty tame. He wasn’t vicious or anything. Just par for the unprecedented.
The Giants clear options now are trades.
The Giants now have one #1 starter and 6 #4/5 starters. They need another ace and they need someone to play 3rd until Schmitt is ready.
If Crawford is healthy he will be plenty good. There will be a premium on second base defense now that the shift is banned. I’ve seen Estrada make ridiculous plays but he is inconsistent.
Go out and get Burnes and Adames. Take on Yelich’s contract and give up about 6 of the Giants top 10 prospects plus 3 or 4 major leaguers like Cobb, Estrada, Gonzalez, Villar etc..
The Giants can take on a bad contract or two to potentially get some great players. Not just with Milwaukee but probably with a dozen teams.
Some fans just want the sexy moves like Judge, but paying Judge 400mil is like paying him 80mil per year for the 5 good years your going to get from him (if you’re lucky). Now it’s time for Farhan to do what he does best.
Datashark
They do not have depth enough to trade minor league players that have good chance to make it in MLB. They would be fools to deal anything at this point.
Datashark
Carlos in his 8 major league years has only achieved 136 games or more in a season 3x
He has 3 years of playing under 100 games as well.
He is OVERRATED
Yet he is commanding $300m – that is crazy with his stretch of not playing full seasons
Green Yankee
Man what a season of baseball New York is in for!!!
LotusNotes
It should be exciting and that’s part of Cohen’s plan IMO. He knows you can’t guarantee a winner, but assembling good players that can hit/pitch and play their positions goes a long way. It also creates buzz. Love them or hate them people will want to see the Mets play. Studs like Scherzer, Alonso, Diaz and Verlander, all around guys like Lindor, Correa and Marte, a friendly face like Nimmo and an exotic first year player like Senga will bring people out, sell Mets merchandise and generally add value to the Mets brand. Cohen is in the running to put a casino near CITI Field and maybe is looking to build a mini empire in Queens. If I had $17 billion I’d be doing the same thing. Go uncle Steve we’re with you.
VonPurpleHayes
I’m not. I don’t want that sexist clown messing up my neighborhoods with crappy casinos.
Pads Fans
NY has not seen anything like this since the 1950’s. Its a great time to be a NY baseball fan. Congrats.
Bobcastelliniscat
If Scott Boras believed nothing was there why wouldn’t he give them more time to evaluate? Who is going to sign for $35 million dollars less for the sake of a couple of weeks? Something sounds fishy. Giants were smart to get out why they still could. Let him be the Met’s problems.
Datashark
of course there is something Boras is no fool because if it came out what it is then he would lose much more than 35m
BaseballisLife
The Giants chose the time frame. They didn’t meet it.
You can’t blame Boras for moving on. This is 100% on the Giants.
flamingbagofpoop
Did you even read what he said? Boras moved on…and it cost CC $35m.
Pads Fans
Poop, that is wrong. The Giants backed out.
Cancelled the press conference to announce the signing and asked for more time after already having more time than is typical in these signings and then didn’t get back to Boras.
Boras then reached out to the Mets and a deal came together in just a few hours.
petefrompp
I understand your a Padres fan – but you don’t know the details –
Carlos took his physical on Monday – Tuesday morning the Giants wanted clarity on something they found . Tuesday night – Boras struck a deal with the Mets.
Why did Carlos wait until Monday for the physical- that I don’t know- and we will probably not get that information. Granted there was time from when they negotiated the deal until the physical – but we don’t know who or why the process was so slow. Maybe the SF medical team didnt have open appointments – maybe Carlos was at home getting ready for the holidays – who knows
I agree this is a bad look on the Giants – and they are going to have to wear it. They can’t discuss medicals publicly – so they may never be able to share their side of the story.
Every story has three sides – his side, her side, and the truth. All we have right now is his side.
Pads Fans
Wrong. Go read the article by Slusser in the Chronicle and the one by Rosenthal in the Athletic.
The Giants asked for and were given 7 days to do their due diligence by Correa and his agent. Typically it is 72 hours for FA. After 8 days they cancelled the press conference, asked Boras for more time, and then ghosted him.
Once their agreed upon window for executing was over. Boras moved on and did his job in getting his client another deal.
The player does not schedule the physical, the team does. If what you said was true, why did the Giants wait so long?
The Giants were given Correa’s entire medical history. Every procedure, every x-ray, every MRI, every aspirin he was prescribed by a team doctor since he was in the minor leagues at a minimum. Players have to sign away HIPAA rights so the teams can look at They had 8 days to go over that information. If there was a red flag, why wait to schedule a physical?
The Giants blew it. They had plenty of time to get it done and failed.
Pads Fans
They had 8 days. Typical is 72 hours.
LotusNotes
On one side we have the “Cohen is destroying baseball “ crew and on the other the “The Mets will lose anyway” crew. The sun will come up tomorrow. I’d be more concerned about teams like the Pirates and Marlins not even fielding competitive teams.
ohyeadam
Why does an owner having an opinion create an opening for a grievance if they withdraw from the deal? A failed physical is a failed physical
figjam
Nothing here sounds right. It looks like the Giants found something and Boras called Cohen before the word got out about what they found. I cannot believe Ziadi is so incompetent, as to let this deal go as it has.
@AlexPavlovic – we need the details!
Pads Fans
Once an agreement is reached, Boras cannot reach out to other teams about that player. Once the Giants cancelled the presser and the time frame they had agreed upon passed, then Boras could contact other teams.
Typically that time frame to get a physical done and examine medicals is 72 hours, In this case it was a week. 8 days later the Giants backed out. Boras and Correa gave them plenty of time.
The Twins had Correa on their team last season so they obviously had his medicals. They made a long term offer to Correa after he opted out. They didn’t see anything in his physicals.
The injury the Giants backed out for was a leg injury that happened prior to Correa being in the majors
There is really no way to spin this where the Giants come out looking good.
st.lewis
Correa’s offense value loses alot in a switch from shortstop position. His batting #’s wouldn’t be elite as a 3b
bryan c
That would be true if he signed with a team that has a poor defensive SS. He has a well above average glove that basically shuts down the left side of the infield. With the shift gone the value of a top tier SS playing 3B is exponentially higher than if he were not playing next to Lindor. Got paid less than Turner and on par with Bogaerts and Swanson who don’t have the same pedigree in my personal opinion. Now, it’s a luxury that may not be worth the cost but it’s not my money and Cohen could not possibly care less so I believe this move dramatically improves the infield and line up of the team far more than his value would have been in SF where he would be asked to carry an offense on top of fielding at SS rather than third. So overall, less money, one less year and much higher value while being asked to play a slightly easier position.
All relative to the details and not just a vacuum on this one.
For the record, I am not a fan of this contract for the Mets as a fan. But wow they have improved exponentially more with CC than their prior moves because of all I just said
VonPurpleHayes
@bryan c Come on, man. You literally butchered the Phillies Trea Turner deal. Now the Mets sign a similar deal and you’re talking about why it’s smart? At least you admit you’re not a fan of it. The Mets plan is now just stupid money all the time.
bryan c
I literally just said I am not a fan of it at all but the value is hard to miss here. Turner is not playing third next to a gold glove SS. He is playing SS next to two horrible fielding players in Stott and Bohm. Length is dumb. Just like Turners but not nearly a similar situation. Not close
VonPurpleHayes
One could easily argue that the Mets are paying elite SS money for a 3B. It’s silly. It also blocks some of those prospects.
Seamaholic
This. Very low likelihood of the deal paying off value-wise. But it’s all good for the Mets. He’s better than Baty.
Pads Fans
He would have been the 3rd or 4th best 3B on offense over the last 3 full seasons, depending on if you like OPS+ or wRC+ better. Either way, he will be elite
VonPurpleHayes
With the shift gone, I want that elite glove playing up the middle. Sorry McNeil. You got to move. Lindor at SS and Correa at 2B makes more sense to me.
bryan c
McNeil is very underrated with the glove. He made some absolute highlight reel plays and has a range and arm very well suited for second vs third. Alonso is the weakest link and he has improved very much. Not nearly the 2000s infield but significantly improved. This is what I meant by not looking at it in a vacuum. Also, the arm of Marte in Right as well as the range significantly assist with McNeil in keeping singles from becoming doubles. Defense matters. Or at least it probably will this year. Wink
VonPurpleHayes
McNeil is very good. Correa is better.
outinleftfield
Agree with you there Von. Most SS seem to move to 3B though. Especially ones with a strong arm like Correa.
bryan c
If you say so. He is the best all around SS on the market and signed to play third. I could entertain an argument about Turner being better but it’s marginal and every expert out there agrees
MadSkillsUniversity
It was a dumb deal anyway, which would have not moved the needle much at all. Why let Carlos go for this guy? PItching wins WS. If he is failing physicals at this age, I’d hate to see him 5 years from now.
BaseballisLife
What is interesting to me is the Giants doctors didn’t agree with Farhan.
The Giants will have an exceedingly hard time signing FA of any note whoever their agent is and will never sign another Boras client. Since Boras is the agent for 137 of the top 250 players in terms of WAR and quite a few top young players, the Giants are completely and thoroughly hosed for the foreseeable future.
Giants prospects of being relevant in the West are fading away.
Seamaholic
What makes you think there was disagreement within the Giants? The disagreement was between Giants doctors and Boras doctors.
Pads Fans
Seam, Read Slusser’s article. Then take a look at what Rosenthal said in the Athletic.
Pads Fans
Boras has 175 clients, 106 of which are in MLB. I could only find 74 that are top 150 players according to rWAR.
Regardless of the actual number, it doesn’t pay to not be able to sign Boras clients.
YankeesBleacherCreature
At the end of the day, it’s business. Nothing personal. They can choose to announce a deal after due diligence and physicals and avoid the same fallout from this incident. Giants can also choose to fire Zaidi and clean the slate.
tigw
truth is if you deal with Boras you will get screwed ! he isn’tup front
outinleftfield
I think you missed something because it seems like the Giants doctors and Boras doctors (and those on the Twins, Mets, and to a certain extent the Astros) didn’t agree on the injury from 2014.
You are right about this making it hard for the Giants to sign the best players in free agency. Why take a chance that they will find an 8 year old injury and damage your value in the market. There will always be other teams that want the best players.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
If the Giants had nothing, Boras would have tore into them publicly. He did not. If it was a huge medical thing, Cohen would not have committed 315 million. So we know there was something substantive in the medical reports but that it is not huge and clear cut. The only crazy part is spending 315 million for a shortstop who will play off position. But that is just Cohen. I am happy that this happened now so that the owners and players association can think about it before Ohtani becomes available.
bhoops
“I am happy that this happened now so that the owners and players association can think about it before Ohtani becomes available.”
What does this even mean? The current CBA doesn’t expire until after the 2026 season.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
The owners and players can always sit down and make changes so long as both sides agree.
The players will never get a floor without a cap. The owners will never get a cap without either a floor or even less likely truly transparent records.
This will at least get the conversation moving. Will anything change? Maybe not. But for the first time some of the other owners may have a greater willingness to explore it.
Pads Fans
It was a leg injury in 2014. Read what Rosenthal said in The Athletic.
Pads Fans
Go back to the Rocker situation. Boras didn’t “tear into” the Mets. That would not be good business.
If there was something substantive in the medicals, the Mets would not have immediately agreed to a deal. If he passes their physical we know that it was a nothing burger.
You should also go read what Slusser and Rosenthal have had to say about it today.
utah cornelius
You keep ignoring the $35M discount Cohen got and Correa conceded. Clearly there was something in the medical. Whether or not Cohen got the full discount deserved is unknown. Whether or not SF would have accepted $315MM is unknown.
Pads Fans
Clearly there was nothing in the medical because we know what the Giants used as their excuse. An injury from 2014. The owner got cold feet.
Cohen paid $315 million for one less year. In what universe is that a discount?
utah cornelius
Why did Correa accept 1 less year if it was not a medical concession?
mills
2011 24 SFG NL 66
2012 25 SFG NL 143
2013 26 SFG NL 149
2014 27 SFG NL 153
2015 28 SFG NL 143
2016 29 SFG NL 155
2017 30 SFG NL 144
2018 31 SFG NL 151
2019 32 SFG NL 147
2021 34 SFG NL 138
2022 35 SFG NL 118
2015 20 HOU AL 99
2016 21 HOU AL 153
2017 22 HOU AL 109
2018 23 HOU AL 110
2019 24 HOU AL 75
2021 26 HOU AL 148
2022 27 MIN AL 136
Games played by Crawford vs Correa not including the BS 2020 season. Correa isn’t worth the contract and there’s definitely history there to make you question how prone he is to injury or his unwillingness to play through a minor injury. Doesnt deserve $300+ in salary.
That being said I’m tired of both Farhan and Kapler. Make the changes and be done. At least we can start to rebuild.
tigw
where is Rocker now??????
outinleftfield
The Rangers. He went 3rd in the draft the following year.
Michol
Giants saved Mets at least $35M. Lol!
O'sSayCanYouSee
2023 Headlines
Mets sign Othani for $500millon/13 yr.
Mets sign Manny Machado for 400million/13 yr.
Mets sign Tampa Bay Rays for 600million/perpetuity.
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You forgot trading for Trout and Julio Urias.
Pads Fans
Won’t Urias be a FA after 2023?
tigw
going nowhere
outinleftfield
He is going to sign with the Angels. Just watch lol
whyhayzee
Glorified used car salesman.
The amount of money involved doesn’t change that reality.
But, good for him.
Pads Fans
The Giants just dug themselves a huge hole. Boras no longer trusts them and he is the agent for large amount of the top players in the game.
Farhan, hope you enjoy looking up at the Padres and Dodgers, because until they fire you that is all you will ever see.
Sorry Giants fans, your FO f’d up big time.
Giant Willy
Us Giants fans no longer trust Farhan or our front office either. Farhan needs to go. Putila should be in charge imo
CalcetinesBlancos
There’s a good chance this will look like a shrewd move in 2023, let alone a few years after that. If anything, the Giants showed that they won’t be bossed around by Boras.
Pads Fans
There is a better chance that the Giants lose 90 games and Farhan is fired..
There is a 100% chance that this will push top free agents and their agents away because they no longer trust the Giants FO. Will the Giants try to kill their client’s value by bringing up a mysterious ailment in an effort to renegotiate and sign them for less?
What the Giants showed is that they are not to be trusted. Agents and top players will remember that for years to come.
Giant Willy
#Pads Fans; Giants fan perspective here… Part of my issue with Farhan, is his dishonesty. The ‘injury concern’ was from an injury from before he was in MLB, that everyone knew about and it wasn’t an issue for anyone, including the Giants… Until AFTER making a huge offer and putting public pressure on the player. Notice the Mets haven’t announced a date, before the physical is over. If I was Correa, I would have been pissed. You’re right, no free agent or fan should trust Farhan at this point, imo
tigw
no front office should trust Boras he speaks with fork tongue.
gorav114
Orioles made the right move getting out of that Belfour deal
Mikenmn
You have to assume that all the acquiring teams in these hyper-contracts know and take as a cost of doing business that the back years are going to be substantial overpays. Albert’s contract wouldn’t have been nearly as bad if he had a slow age, with a significant drop-off in the last three years. But an injury history is potentially a much bigger one…not because it threatens a 8th-10th year, but one or more of the early, potentially far more productive ones. You are only 28 once.
desertbull
I bet it was ringworm
Love,
F. Tatis Jr.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Desert
Tatis deserves all of the jokes and potshots, but I would not be surprised to see him lead baseball in homeruns in 2023, or at least the National League.
So “ring” him up while you can.
utah cornelius
Tired jokes:
Arson Judge
Padres offered twice as much and didn’t get the player
Ringworm
Just stop and move on
Hotstovemelts
I think CC saw an opportunity to get out of the deal and told Boras to do it when SF ‘balked’ on his medicals. He realized he would be on a perennial loser without much hope in sight for the rest of his career. I think being a Met gives Correa an opportunity to make a lot more in endorsement deals to more than make up for the $35 million difference in contracts. I’m not even a Mets fan but damn if their rotation holds up… they’re going to be an absolute beast!
10centBeerNight
Much as I’ve enjoyed this wild hot stove madness of past few weeks – time for some other teams to grab the headlines. So – NYM, NYY, SD, PHI, CHC et al – go take a breather
Giant Willy
Farhan needs to go, pure and simple. Giants should put Pete Putila in charge imo. Kapler isn’t helping the team either, with his idea that a baseball manager should be an active politician. I don’t care about his political beliefs, as they’re irrelevant to the job. But I feel pretty certain that it chases some free agents away from wanting to sign with the Giants.
mlbtrsks
But, but–Kapler can’t go, he’s WOKE!
utah cornelius
The opposite of woke is Unconscious.
Canosucks
You mean Far Hand because that’s how far his hand was from the money when he got cold feet!
joeyrocafella
Giants got cold feet. They made no other moves and realized this single move wasn’t gonna solve their issues so they came up with BS. Welcome to NY!! LFGM
Giant Willy
Giants made no other moves? They signed 3 free agents and almost Judge before Farhan botched this
Michol
All these long term contracts are REDICULOUS! 12-13 yrs?!! Should be no more than 6-7 yrs max. It’s just not right.
tedtheodorelogan
We don’t wish you the best, Farhan. We wish you would disappear and we could bring back Sabean.
agnes gooch
Speak for yourself tedtheodorelogan, I love Zaidi. Sabean was hired in 1997, it took him 13 years to win it all. Zaidi has been there 4 years. I’m thankful for the 3 in 5 from Sabean but the game passed him by. 2017 and 2018 were a nightmare. Zaidi immediately made the team more fun and has bolstered the farm that was bare when he got here. Signing big names does not guarantee championships. Did Harper win? Did Machado win?
Giant Willy
agnes gootch how come you hate and blame some of the Giants owners, but not others? It doesn’t have anything to do with their beliefs, I hope…
foppert
Enough of the “we”. No chance do I want to be lumped in with your type.
Blank Frank
If indeed the Giants and Boras agreed to a time and date for approving the medicals and signing the deal, and the Giants violated that agreement, Boras had every right to call the deal off. The question is whether the Giants were asleep at the wheel or purposely let that deadline pass.
Pads Fans
“Eight days after Carlos Correa tentatively agreed with the San Francisco Giants on a 13-year, $350 million free-agent contract, his agent, Scott Boras, told the team he could wait no longer.
“We reached an agreement. We had a letter of agreement. We gave them a time frame to execute it,” Boras said. “They advised us they still had questions. They still wanted to talk to other people, other doctors, go through it.
“I said, ‘Look, I’ve given you a reasonable time. We need to move forward on this. Give me a time frame. If you’re not going to execute, I need to go talk with other teams.”
jaybest
Boras is not to be trusted. That’s why
Comet
Since medical records are private, will the Giants be able to explain what their concerns were? They aren’t looking too good without an explanation
imgman09
Broken Glass,Fits perfect
BSHH
The Twins had Correa examined last year and were willing to sign him for three years. They also said they wanted to extend his contract.
It is still possible that Correa fails his physical with the Mets as well. But it seems as if Boras is at least right insofar that the Giants’ concerns were not about a condition that might come up rather sooner than later.
The Giants’ medical staff probably saw something which could have been a problem after several years of additional attrition. Therefore they saw a risk with the 13 year-contract. The Mets may not see the same risk and/or be willing to take it (because money is a lesser issue for their owner). We will see whose decision looks good when the time comes, but I am thankful for one very entertaining story already!
Gruß,
BSHH
Pads Fans
The Twins offered 10 years. Obviously they didn’t see the risk the Giants saw.
Sid Bream Speed Demon
They obviously saw something with Correa’s circumcision that they had concerns over. Perhaps he still has one of his baby teeth?
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That’s a relief because #CorreaFetalAlcoholSyndrome was trending on twitter earlier.
Sid Bream Speed Demon
I wish that hadn’t made me laugh as hard as it did…..lol
tyrone
This is a ruse by the owners to get the MLPA to agree to a salary cap. Cohen is the richest owner and has been chosen to take the financial hit which will promote terrible imbalance. The knockout blow will be the $500m + contract that the Dodgers will give to Ohtani next year. The Giants save face and will bid hard for Ohtani but they aren’t going to be allowed to sign him anymore than they were allowed to sign Correa. These are billionaires and they will do anything to increase profits and belittle labor.
Sid Bream Speed Demon
Crazy conspiracy theory, but cool I guess.
abc123baseball
I don’t think it’s intentional at all but the net result may be the same.
Blue Baron
@tyrone: BS. The MLBPA will never agree to a salary cap in collective bargaining, and the negotiations last year showed that the owners don’t have the stomach for the colossal fight it would take to try to get one. It would involve canceling a whole season, and most don’t want it badly enough to try.
tyrone
BB I agree with to a point, which is why they are trying this nonsense. When 20 some teams know they can’t compete, the MLPA will go the way of the NBA and NFL.
Pads Fans
The small market Padres are spending big money. This is just showing how much money the teams are actually making and how much more the players should be getting.
bigdaddyhacks
What I take from that is that he is hurt and the giant called it out on the carpet and he didn’t like that. Then Mets in all their genius grabbed him medicals be damned. This might finally knock if Albert and Chris Davis as the worst contracts of all time.
Yanks2
Pujols still was hitting tons of homeruns years after he signed with LAA
thecoffinnail
You know I hate to admit it but Cohen is good for baseball. The most successful club in modern MLB is definitely the Dodgers. It wasn’t long ago when they were basically the Mets of the NL West. Cohen is following the exact path Friedman took when he took them over blowing past the tax line with the 1st $300m payroll. Doing whatever they could to improve the team as long as it only cost money. Remember when they pretty much bought that comp pick from Baltimore by taking on that bad contract? Only difference is they didn’t sign any long term deals. When Kershaw was the best pitcher on the planet and a FA they still would not give up a long term deal. In 5-6 years all of these deals are gonna choke the Mets. They will essentially be the 2012-13 Yankees. Hopefully their farm will help them through that time but they better start drafting like the Dodgers or their future will be pretty bleak.
Also, back when Baltimore scrapped the Balfour deal they were taking medical issues too far. They backed out of trades and passed on free agents because small medical issues came up that didn’t bother any other team. The writer should have mentioned when the shoe was on the other foot when the Mets blew up the Carlos Gomez trade because of a medical issue. Although being overly attentive to medical issues saved the Orioles from trading a prime Britton for Colon Moran and from signing a washed up Grant Balfour, they still took it too far. Sorry about the novel.
CarverAndrews
Steve Cohen – good for baseball. As a Phils fan, that is hard to stomach, but you have something of a point.
I do not like the vast disparities in market revenues and ownership spending constraints vs. the lack thereof, but you also have a point in that too many ownership groups have used the luxury tax as a hard cap, and too many others have used the lower tier markets to spend very little and punt on fielding a competitive team. Someone such as Cohen shakes it up a bit…clearly.
I would also be a hypocrite by condemning him too harshly, as he is doing what I have advocated that Middleton needed to do (and indeed has now started to accomplish)…spend too much in free agency to compensate for the damage that was self-inflicted to the entire system through the Klentak regime. Buy the temporary solutions in the interim while they fix the system that is required to feed the majors. I am just kinda’ envious that the Cohen Wallet is so much bigger, and I am only comforted by the fact that if history serves, the Mets will fail to build a winner no matter what they spend. ; )
giantwarrioras49ersraiders
FARHAN what’s next???
Berkner
“All I need is one dumb owner”
-Scott Boras
abc123baseball
Or one owner with a personal wealth that’s higher than the GDP of several nations on earth.
thebluemeanie
Looks like he’s turning into Larry Flint.
azcrook
Why didn’t Houston try to resign him last year or this year??
Yanks2
From what I understand, Houston doesn’t like handing out huge contracts. The biggest I think was Alex Bregman 100m 5 years
Pads Fans
Why did the Twins try to resign him to a decade long deal this offseason if he was hurt? They had his medicals. They did their own physicals,
This is on the Giants.
Yanks2
My question is why did they want to sign him to this kind of deal without checking medical first? Like, wouldn’t that be the obvious thing to do before throwing 300m at a player?
agnes gooch
@Yanks2–Boras would not release his medicals. Correa came to SF for the first time on Monday when the Giants did the scans and found the health issues.
Yanks2
Withholding medical records kind of seems trivial to do because it seems like a case of delaying the inevitable
Pads Fans
Boras doesn’t have a choice or control of the player’s medical records. Once they agree to terms, MLB releases all the player’s medical records to the team. There is no x-ray, MRI, or any other injury, treatment, or procedure during the players career that is not included in those medical records, The team can also schedule a physical for the FA player at their discretion. Its not up to the player or his agent when that happens.
The Giants were given 7 days to look over the medical records and get their own physical done. If the Giants waited until Monday to schedule a physical, then that is another major failure on their part. It doesn’t reflect on the player at all.
The issue the Giants objected to was an injury in 2014 when Correa was in the minor leagues. Face it, the Giants screwed the gooch.
outinleftfield
Not true. MLB is the one that has and releases the medical records to teams that come to an agreement with a player.
konalawrence
Now let’s get Bryan Reynolds & one of Toronto’s catchers.
konalawrence
Love to see the Giants get Bryan Reynolds & one of the Toronto catchers
abc123baseball
At this point they may as well throw in the towel for next year. Try to sign Ohtani next year and hope the Dodgers and Padres and Mets and Braves and Phillies and Cardinals decline a little.
Yanks2
Giants spending 500m on one player would be foolish
Skebinx
Cohen, Boras and Manfred should get together and finally decide how they want to destroy baseball and suck the soul right out of it.
abc123baseball
This may be a step in that direction. If all these trends continue it’s a matter of time before there’s a hard cap.
Skebinx
A cap makes sense, but so does a floor. May never happen – all parties involved are greedy and myopic.
Pads Fans
You seem to be doing a pretty good job of that yourself.
Yanks2
Throwing tons of money at high profile players doesn’t result in championships
LordD99
Will this hurt the Giants chance to sign future free agents? This won’t be viewed positively.
KHE
Farhan, needs to redeem himself or be fired. Trade and get Reynolds, sign Evoldi and Drury would be a decent start.
abc123baseball
Drury got signed by the angels bro
abc123baseball
Remember when Steve Cohen said the Mets weren’t going to spend like a drunken sailor? I’d hate to see what happens when he does get drunk and gets on a sailboat.
JayRyder
The Giants dodged a bullet. 13 Years was ridiculous. I even sold myself on the deal as a Good Deal. They saw something in the medical. Boras wanted to shove it thru Fast. Because he only deals with Owners. The Giants Front Office and Ownership needs to get on the Same Page. And Boras didn’t want Correa’s value to take any hit.
nailz#4life
The medical report showed no heartbeat, but some annoying sporadic buzzing . They say it started a few years ago.
lee deyampert
It okay Mets will still find a way to lose the division some how
Tribefan4life
The medical report showed signs of garbage can tampering.
❤️ MuteButton
Call this a guess, but I would imagine the Giants would have a much different story.
Tribefan4life
The medical report showed signs of garbage can tampering. All former Astros players will never live that down for the rest of their careers.
Yanks2
And they still won a championship fair and square. Next?
kihcokimaw
Embarrassing for Boras.
He is going to wear that for along time.
Giants professionally extricated themselves out of a dubious contract with their due diligence. Heckuva save.
Reveals twins and mets were desperate. Oh boy.
1958giants
Well, going to be a long disappointing year, no-name offense, lousy defense, and middle of the pack pitching. Can’t draft, our over hyped minor leaguers fail to excel past AA level. Wasted opportunities leading to wasted years of baseball. Can’t be excited about our future, the SD/LA regimes will rule for years, will be a race for 3rd place with AZ and CO..
Yanks2
Sounds like the Yankees
tyrone
Correa was compared to A-Rod as a first overall draft SS and if we can concede that CC hasn’t been on the juice and therefore injured, is he worth the hype? I will repeat- this is a ruse by the owners to install a salary cap. Cohen is the ‘fall guy’ to get that implemented, despite the MLBPA stance against it. Scott Boras is a punk. The owners love him. He’s the necessary evil that will force the owners to claim that most of the franchises can’t compete without a cap.
tigw
boras is a punk can’t believe a word he says
akula6969
noone wants to play for Kaplernics activist ass!
Pads Fans
Interesting take on Reddit.
“The new Giants GM is an old Astros FO hand that was around when Correa was in the minors and was part of minor league operations which would have included medical treatment for minor league players.
Scenario probably went down like this. Johnson got Farhan, Putila and the rest of the FO staff on a call and said we are not going to be able to put a winning team on the field, how do we get out of this deal with Correa?. Putila said something like, ‘Well,Correa broke his leg back when he was 19. We could say we found an issue with how it healed.’ Johnson said, ‘make it happen. I don’t want to spend that kind of money and still lose.”
Sounds almost plausible.