The Padres and Manny Machado remain in discussions regarding a potential long-term contract extension, reports Dennis Lin of the Athletic. There’s no indication an agreement is likely, through it comes as something of a surprise to hear conversations are still ongoing.
Machado implied last week he’d cut talks off when the sides hadn’t agreed to a deal by February 16, a self-imposed deadline representing the outset of Spring Training. At the time, the NL MVP runner-up said he “just wanted to focus on baseball” and “didn’t want to really continue talking about contracts or the business side of things” once exhibition play got underway.
The star third baseman wasn’t as firm when chatting with Lin about the situation today. “Deadlines are deadlines but they know where I stand,” Machado said. “The opportunity will arise if it comes to that. You know, nothing’s out of question. Obviously, they know how much San Diego means to me and what I want to be here. At the end of the day, they knew exactly where I was when that deadline was set. And we’ll see what happens. Our main focus right now is playing baseball. We’ll see.”
Machado is entering the fifth season of the ten-year free agent deal he signed over the 2018-19 offseason. The contract affords him the chance to opt out of the final five years and $150MM at the end of the 2023 campaign. Machado has already confirmed he’s planning to test the market at the end of the year. That declaration came as no surprise, as he’d be in position to handily beat a $150MM guarantee on the open market if he posted a season at similar levels to his last three years.
A new agreement with the Padres could make that a moot point. San Diego owner Peter Seidler told reporters this week re-signing Machado was his “top priority” (relayed by 97.3 FM The Fan). That obviously could take place after the season if/when Machado tests the market, but Lin’s report again raises the possibility of a deal coming together prior to Opening Day.
Financial terms presently under consideration aren’t known. Kevin Acee of the San Diego Union-Tribune reported last week the club had offered an additional $105MM over five seasons on top of his existing deal, which would’ve brought their outstanding commitment to $255MM between 2023-32.
Seidler has signed off a rapid spending hike over the past few seasons. The Friars trail only the Mets and Yankees in projected 2023 payroll. They signed Xander Bogaerts to an 11-year, $280MM free agent pact this offseason and have already worked out a five-year extension with right-hander Yu Darvish this spring. Bogaerts, Fernando Tatis Jr., Darvish and Joe Musgrove are all counting for more than $15MM annually for the foreseeable future.
That hasn’t deterred Seidler, president of baseball operations A.J. Preller, and their staff from continuing to pursue star talent. The Friars took swings at Trea Turner and Aaron Judge before landing Bogaerts and clearly are hopeful of retaining Machado. They’re also down to two years of arbitration control with Juan Soto, who could be in position for one of the largest deals in MLB history when he hits free agency over the 2024-25 offseason.
Machado owns a .280/.352/.504 line in just under 2200 plate appearances as a Padre. He’s coming off perhaps the best season of his career, one in which he posted a .298/.366/.531 slash with 32 home runs to earn his sixth All-Star nod. Machado typically pairs that middle-of-the-order offense with excellent defensive marks at third base. He’s headed into his age-30 season, so any new deal (either an extension or free agent contract) would figure to come into play for his age-31 campaign and beyond.
It will take an extension of five more years at 30-31 million per year.
I was on the “let him walk” side of things last week when the opt-out was first announced. I thought he would definitely test the market and demand $400mm.
However, I don’t trust a word Acee says and now think I may have been too quick to turn on Machado. Hopefully they work something out that is beneficial to both parties. Would love to see Manny retire in brown and gold!
As I’ve posted before, he’s playing the. just like Judge did with other teams, especially the Giants. He had no intention of leaving the Yankees. He used other team’s interest in him to scare Cashman into giving him the money he wanted. Same with Machado. He announced he would opt out after this season, and now look how Seidler and Preller are scrambling to sign him to an extension. If a deal doesn’t work out, Machado will sucker other teams into making offers. He play like he’s interested until the Pad’s FO caves and gives him what he wants. No worries, Padre fans.
Let him walk – but only if first base is open.
Cue the snare drum!
Players lies to team about self imposed deadline should be the story. Ruined his credibility should be scrutinized by all the fans now, fans aren’t smart enough to do that though.
@iverbure you’d have to be an idiot to not accept the deal you were looking for just because a self imposed deadline passed. Your comment is an overreaction, and I have zero love for machado.
It happens all the time, @iverbure, so I don’t see what the big deal is. We all realize that money talks. That’s what they care about. They always talk about making their family comfortable, wanting to win, blah, blah, blah. And some of that is true. But in the end, it almost always comes down to money. Not only in sports.
Well, the issue almost always is that the player wants to get paid for what he has done, while the team is projecting what he will do going forward. Sure, Machado has been one of the best players in the game. But as he enters his 30’s, there will inevitably be some decline. Yet, Machado’s camp likely is not considering that. Since it’s the Padres, where they seem to be dealing with Monopoly money, that should be no problem. I fully expect a deal to get done before the season starts.
The Padres fan “dealing with Monopoly money” – as a long suffering Pads fan for over 35 years, I have now lived to see that reference in print!
Given what Machado appears to be asking for, this would be an excellent time for the Padres to start thinking of it as real money. –In no small part because they’re accumulating too many players who will grow old at the same time.
Incoming 330×12 announcement next week
Amazing how well his announcement put this story to rest so he could concentrate on his game, and let this sleeping dog lie. Move along folks! Nothing to see!
All of these very long term contracts, at least one of them is gonna bite us. Time will tell. 300 x 10, maybe? Have to imagine that extension would close the door on Soto beyond 24.
Hey give out 8-10 of them to the top guys and we’ll, if only 1 or 2 bite is then, ok! It’s only money and like Pete said, he can’t take it with him!
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I think he is a great player — 100% a future hall-of-famer no doubt about it — but it is not worth it. Tatis and Boegerts are here to stay. Focus on a younger player to sign (or extend) if you want to dish out $300 million. Ohtani with an opt out after three or four years makes more sense or Soto if he can notch it up this year.
It is much easier for the team and fan base to lose a player like this when there is a home grown superstar already locked up and a team with other huge stars. Freeman was, in my opinion, much more expendable from a marketing standpoint when you have one of the top young players (and most marketable) locked up along with Riley. I would also say that he isn’t really much better than Bogearts (although moving him off short makes him less valuable possibly) so I don’t see why, being a year older and having played SO much already (it’s gonna catch up one day) why he is considered a lock to make 40-50 mil more at least.
@Rishi Well said. In fact, 2019-2022, Machado isn’t as good as Bogaerts: 5.2 rWAR vs. 5.6 rWAR per 650 PA, with Machado slightly more durable, about 4 games per season, but not enough to pull even.
We’re already on hook for $150m so $300m is actually only a $150 extension. Not bad.
They were not on the hook for it because he was gonna opt out
10-285 hopefully. bare minimum for sure. get it done. gotta let Soto walk but Manny is worth the investment
Would be bananas if they are able to keep him. It doesn’t make sense on paper….unless he gets hurt, or unless player contracts end up diving on account of this tv money drama, in which case he certainly won’t opt out.
What’ll happen is, money will stay high until Ohtani gets his $500+m contract next off-season. Then, from the commissioner’s office to the common fan, outrage will ensure. Owners, who let salaries get out of hand in the first place
I praise the owners who are spending. The issue is not that – it’s the owners who are pocketing their revenue and not putting it back into the ballclub. The Padres and Mets are showing what can be done. But the owners have so many other investors that need to get paid, that it dilutes their profits. So, they won’t (different from “can’t”) spend.
What’ll happen is, money will stay high until Ohtani gets his $500+m contract next off-season. Then, from the commissioner’s office to the common fan, outrage will ensure. Owners, who let salaries get out of hand in the first place, will proclaim they can’t do this anymore. Salaries have to come down. They’ll agree to limit salaries to something like $20m/year for the elite players. This happened several years ago. The owners all agreed to hold down salaries, then Steinbrenner (George) ignored it and resumed handing out outrageous amounts of money.
Watch out, MLB. The TV money bubble is about to burst. Watch the story of the BALLY rsn’s going bankrupt along with Friday’s disclosure that the AT&T networks ( Houston, Pittsburgh and Colorado) are behind in payments to their clubs. And remember, those AT&T channels have the same ownership as Turner Sports (TNT/TBS).
This will cast a dark cloud over player hopes for $50 million contracts.
That disclosure was Warner Bros. Discovery telling the teams that are on AT&T SportsNet to take back their TV rights by the end of March.
Also, there is no more “Turner Sports” as it was absorbed into Warner Bros. Discovery.
@ctbronx7 is absolutely correct. The cable television time bomb is going to absolutely wreck the finances of a lot of MLB, NBA, NHL and College teams. The revenue is eroding from cable every time somebody cuts the cord. Streaming revenue is nowhere near the revenue from the cable model, and never will be. ESPN will ultimately fall as well. The model is falling apart. ESPN way overpays for media rights.
The long term MLB deals are absolutely going to explode in a bad way. These guys are gonna start to decline in production at the same time the amount of money coming in to teams significantly declines.
Owners have to have the money to pay players. It’s solely on them. Money continues to rise with natural inflation plus all the growing monetary value around big sports leagues. It’s natural progression bud. If anything they should do a salary floor
The owners already did try to limit dollar amounts for free agent signings. They either low balled the free agent or refused to make any offer at all. This resulted in a lawsuit where the owners were found guilty of Collusion. I think this all happened in the 1980s.
Soto will be a Padre thru 2040. The world will eventually catch up to Seidler, but I can see it will take some time.
If Machado gets to the open market he will get 8/320 guaranteed. The only way the Padres will persuad him to stay is by adding 5/200!!
I love Manny. But you’re buying the last few years of his prime and then the inevitable decline. I’ll squirt tears like a little girl when he walks. But, I’d rather that money go to Soto who is just entering his prime and still has ceiling.
Old timer 78
2 hits today, one of them would have been a out last year. Still talking is Great.
Padres are going to tell Manny to go kick rocks, they going to spend that money on Soto…can’t pay everyone! Manny 30 years old, Soto 24, kinda a no brainer!
Absolutely! Six years from now, when Manny is 36, hitting .255 with 20 HR and 78 RBI (with years left on his contract), I’d SO much rather have a 30-year-old Soto.
Let him walk. You got 5 incredible prime years for $150 million. Let somebody else take the inevitable downside of his next contract. Bogaerts will be bad enough, Tatis even worse; whatever they give Soto even worse again.
Tatis last year of his contract in 2034 will be his age 35 season. I am thrilled to have him signed for the next 12 years all during his prime. We are talking about MLB’s fWAR leader in both 2020 and 2021 amongst bats. Which always has me scratching my head when I hear that Machado has been the Padres best player the past three years.
That said, I think Machado and Boegarts are the type of players who will have healthy and productive careers in their 30’s. Both take great care of themselves, play almost every day and have done a great job of staying healthy so the thought of having both of them locked up for 10 years I don’t think is as scary as it might seem at first glance.
Padres are still in their story’s turnaround arch. They’re not there yet. Winning a WS in next 2 years would be tho. Manny is a big part of the arch and losing him before we peaked would be a mistake.
It’s hard to win a WS, really hard, ask the Dodgers. If the Pads just get to the WS or continually go deep in the playoffs, they will be “there” IMHO. Of course, the goal is a parade, but a lot of folks are enjoying the real potential of a championship and seeing a great team on the field year after year. That alone is something special that has never happened for any sports team in San Diego history.
Add the Mets and Yankees to that list of big budget no WS – a total of 2 since 2009 between the 3 of them!
Steve Cohen Owns You
The Mets are just getting started. But you already knew that.
I thought the idea was to express that high budget teams hadn’t gotten the WS.
Just because they have gone insane now doesn’t mean they were not a “spend big” team before.
Old timer 78
No Shift this year might Help PULL HITTERS. Ball gets through infield Quick.
It will LHB for the most part.
Best case scenario on the open market for Machado will be 10 years/$450M or so. That’s like a best of the best case scenarios. Guys his age once he opts out do get 10 year deals at top of the market value or beat the AAV by $1-2M per season. It’s not out of the question.
I think if they tack on 2-3 years and add $1-5M per season he will stay. 10 years/$300M will become 13 years/$430M or so.
I think it was inevitable. The market was always going to bloat and he was so young when he signed the first deal that the opt out was a given.
Nolan Arenado’s are rare breeds.
What’s weird is: why not have anticipated this in the first place? 10 years/$300M should’ve probably been 10 years/$325M, which should have probably really been 14 years/$465M from the get go.
That locked in mega salary looks great the first 2-3 years but then the market keeps inching up until that original AAV looks and feels quaint and guys want their salary to reflect current valuation trends.
Trillion, what are you smoking? Best case on the open market is 10/300.
Some guys get what they ask for.
If Machado is opting out of $30M AAV due to the current state of the market and the market will keep going up, why wouldn’t he want another opt out in 2-3 years if he’s willing to give up a guaranteed $150M for a few more per season?
That $450M isn’t what he will get. Nowhere close.
But he clearly is thinking Aaron Judge money and he will want to top Judge and from this experience he may want yet another shot at higher AAV again in 2-3 years.
So a Cohen could anticipate that and offer him future equivalent value today.
Realistically and hopefully he can only get similar or slightly larger offers in the 5-7 years and $30M-$33M range and have to settle for “only” an extra year and $1M extra per season or something.
I just can’t see any team paying Machado anything close to $45M/yr especially over a 10 year period. His max offer would more likely be 10/$320M knowing the last two years of that deal are basically useless. If the Pads tack on 4 more years and $100M, he should seriously consider that. It would slightly lower their AAV for Machado as well.
I agree. I think he’s worth maybe an extra $2.5M per season for the next 5 years and then another 3 years/$90M if I’m being generous but realistic.
But I think he wants Aaron Judge money and he wants to top Aaron Judge and he wants to account for future salary inflation and so he will want the going rate in 2033 for newly minted top tier free agents entering their prime… starting in 2024.
Yeah, the only way he gets 45m a year is if it’s a 3 year deal.
10/450 is nuts. 1/90m more than Judge got coming off a historic 11 win season?!? Cohen and co. were willing to pay Correa 12/315 with him being 3 years younger then 2024 Machado. 9 or 10 years at 320m would be my guess on the best offer he potentially gets as a FA.
Like I said- I think he wants to top EVERYBODY- so if you think about guys like Scherzer and Verlander and Judge, that number is $45M per season for 3 years or $41M AAV for 9 years or maybe even… 10 years/$450M.
Just because I think that’s what he wants and is going to go for, doesn’t mean I think that’s what he will get- he won’t get anywhere near it- from anybody. Not even Cohen trying to top every other bid.
But I *do* think Cohen could say yes to 10 years/$410M or maybe even 10 years/$435M…. Which, at that point, what’s an extra $15M or even $40M if the medicals are all gravy?
Think 12/320 -330.
They can discuss an extension like how I discuss solving the world’s problems but nothing is going to happen because Machado knows he has the Steve Cohen card to play even if he doesn’t sign with the Mets he will use them to drive up the market and get 40 mil a year aav.
Personally I don’t bet on him aging well. This is a player who has already played like 12 seasons as a regular. He led the league in PA at age 20. I see no harm in waiting and seeing how he performs this year. If he has a year that’s a bit down he looks less enticing heading into age 31. That said further inflation is going to lead to these deals losing value (for the players) as their contracts play out and few people seem to understand that a 10 year 320 mil contract is devaluing for the players on a yearly basis and getting better for the owners. Deals will get higher (though not necessarily increase in actual value) over time. This is a large reason for wanting an opt out and not accepting deferred money
Many people who even do understand that inflation plays a role still think it is a matter of how well the economy is going and although that is true to a degree the dollar is always deflating, every year, for more time than most have been alive. And that is likely not going to change.
I don’t mean to keep tacking on comments but I think the amount of time he’s played for his age is a huge deal. How many cases like this have there been? Not many. Andruw Jones for instance. Even players playing since their age 19-21 seasons were seldom playing as much as he was and staying relatively healthy for so long (although it’s a credit to his durability thus far).
Beltre. Hornsby. Jones.
You really shouldn’t use Andruw as an example.
For one, Jones didn’t focus on his fitness. For another, he threw himself onto the ground and into walls time and time again. Third base is a tough position from the stress of every pitch, but Machado has not taken anywhere near the physical beating Andruw did.
The amount of games will certainly make an impact, but by itself it’s not really as important as the type of mileage. Rural highway vs city sort of thing (minus the occasional wildlife collision).
UGA_Steve, I agree. They call 3B the hot corner, but that’s not because a lot happens there. It’s hot when something does happen. But, I was surprised a few years ago when I looked at how few chances a typical player gets at 3B. Machado for his entire career has averaged only 2.77 chances per game playing third. That’s not going to be particularly hard on the body. Third basemen just aren’t that involved in the defense nearly as much as CF or for middle infielders.
In regard to Jones I think it was partially because (if you listen to him about his childhood) he had been doing an outrageous amount of work towards baseball and fitness since he was. A little kid (much like Ichiro, because of his father). Also I don’t think it’s as much a matter of defense for Manny but the amount of games in general. There is a lot of work that goes on outside of defense although it surely is true for Jones that this likely had an effect. One thing few look at is andruw had the worst year of his career in his contract year with ATL as far as OPS. He had been looking chunky for many years, not just with LAD. And I don’t think it’s much to go on that there are 1 positive examples like Hornsby and Beltre with one bad example. Likely Hornsby was not subject to the rigorous workout routine of a modern player since high school, at the least.
My point is the mileage is not really known but we have few examples. People handing out large contracts probably like precedents
In the 2018 playoffs Manny was running to first base and he tried to take out Jesus Aguilar by knocking out his ankle on a routine ground ball. Ever since then Manny is always booed when playing in Milwaukee. My question to everyone is what are some other situations like this? Not like how Ryan Braun or others were booed everywhere they played away games, but what other individual players got booed at specific stadiums as away players?
As a braves fan I can cite many examples. Bryce Harper was booked massively every time he made a plate appearance in ATL. Jose Urena hit Acuna after nearly a week strait of leadoff home runs (and a bit of “showboating”(something about the WAY in which he does it does strike me the wrong way and he was recently practically booed out of his own country for it). I believe Carlos Zambrano was booed every time for throwing at like 3 strait people for no apparent reason besides being angry at how he was pitching. Certainly Carlos Gomez for an absurd situation of grudge holding on his part. And as a final mention I would say Darin Erstad would have been booed mercilessly if there were more interleague play for bulldozing through Johnny Estrada who didn’t even have the ball and wasn’t really blocking the plate, going by his lifeless looking body (out cold) without a lick of concern (in fact an obvious look of satisfaction) and then stomping on home plate. Bobby Cox has never been more legit mad then he was that day at that player. Even his own manager was embarrassed obviously.
To clarify the largely irrelevant Erstad reference, since I did mention it and I’m a bit ocd…it was largely so bad because he went in elbow to the face. Blocking the plate has always been a dumb thing to allow. I tore up an ankle because of it in rec ball. Me being 6’4 and not wanting to trample a little kid with his parents behind home plate. He was standing 10 feet in front of home plate and I stuck my leg towards the plate at last moment. More irrelevance. Sorry
And interesting that his manager was a former catcher (Mike Scioscia) and was clearly in an odd situation with a vet player on his team obviously pissing off another respected HOF type manager.
ARod at Fenway bc of the “Hah!” thing he shouted at a fielder trying to catch his pop-up and, in another game, trying to slap a ball out of a players glove. He earned and deserved it. Even Jeter got a standing ovation there during his farewell tour.
Machado gets booed at Dodgers Stadium. I don’t why it’s him specifically. Altuve, Bergman, Tucker in L.A. and Yankee Stadium. I know why specifically.
Went there in 2018 Deadline deal. Then he fled LA for SD.
Manny “fled” to San Diego? LA had just as much of a chance to sign him as the Padres did. Will LA boo Trea Turner? Justin Turner? Codi? Kenley? No, but they boo Manny for some reason.
Almost every great player.
“They don’t boo nobodies.” — Reggie Jackson
Jose Urena is a nobody, relatively speaking. Point is well made tho by Reggie. Braves fans low key respect Harper, for instance. It’s obvious to me. They are also, like Teheran who hit him partially causing this, simply rubbed the wrong way by his confidence and swagger. Same for Urena with hitting Acuna-although he is a bit immature but who isn’t at that age.
Even though I’m a die hard Braves fan there a sick twisted part of me that wants to see the Mets not make the world series and then get even more desperate and Pay Machado 40+ mil a year and Ohtani 50+ mil a year and have a Half a billion dollar payroll.
Steve Cohen Owns You
It’s because you need therapy.
Smart or not I think this gets done sooner than later.
I’m thinking the same 10 year 3oo million contract just starting from now.
Then it’s on to Soto who they will be willing to pay but this time won’t want the opt outs.
Boris will insist and that will kill the deal.
I can only smile at the news cycle. All you need to know is that Seidler said Manny is his priority. The rest is fake news.
As long as Steve Cohen owns the Mets and 3B is still open, Manny will opt out.
That is assuming he wants to play for the Mets and the Padres don’t offer him enough money now to make the point moot.
They were going to pay Correa 26.25m/yr to play 3b… Of course Cohen is rich enough to pay Machado 40m/yr (or 75m ish with the tax penalty factored in), but I don’t think that is something he can bank on. It seems like at that point he’d be the Mets plan B after striking out on Ohtani.
Everybody is willing to play for the Mets with them pay more then anyone else.
Padres will give that money to Soto, they are NOT going to give Manny a deal that runs into his age 40 season or beyond! Besides, Manny is all about Manny, we all know that! Manny will ultimately take whoever throws the most money at his feet and happily walk away from the Padres!
Did anyone really think they WOULDN’T still be in discussions since they were so close.
Please don’t even try to bring up Nightengale. Dierkes said Nightengale was full of S#it. Lin said Nightengale was full of it. We all know Nightengale is full of it because we have years of evidence of him getting every single rumor wrong.
Machado will be extended before opening day. Then he really can focus on baseball.
So, that would mean Nightingale is now the new Jon Heyman?
Heyman occasionally gets it right. Can you find even one instance where Nightengale was correct?
When were they close? Not only were they not on the same page, they were reading entirely different books.
So Stymeed, you are saying you believed Nightengale? That says it all.
Extending him would be the stupidest thing they could do right now. Extend Soto and let Machado walk while getting draft pick compensation for him. If they extend him they’ll be back in the gutter and wishing they paid Soto within 3 years.
Soto isn’t signing an extension. He is definitely going to the open market to see what a bidding war will bring him.
Everyone has a price
I am predicting he wins NL mvp this year
Upping his deal eliminates someone else who they could otherwise sign.
AJ and his options…
Why? Do you know how much that the billionaire owners of the Padres are willing to spend or how much revenue they are getting?
Exactly this. If I’m a Padres fan, I’m stoked that ownership is willing to invest the money the fans spend on the game on something they can enjoy watching. You know, like, talent? Instead a lot of fans seem to think they are the team bookkeepers and it’s their job fret over the signing of top players. Here’s an overlooked message: this willingness to spend aggressively should tell us is how much revenue is in the game. Don’t worry, watch baseball.
well said BlueS, my feelings exactly
I totally want him to stay, but….if it’s between Soto and Manny, common sense says pay Soto. The loser of the Ohtani sweepstakes will pay top dollar for Machado anyway
How long is Soto going to be effective with that idiotic stance? At some point he is going to have to adjust. Actually he was underwhelming last year after putting on the mustard and brown.
How long can Soto get by with that idiotic stance? At some point he’s going to have to adapt. He was already underwhelming when he put on the mustard and brown last year. Although the shift rule should help him out, I know.
Missing from all this chatter about who is “worth” how much is the potential of a Padre team built around the core of Machado, Tatis, Soto, and Bogaerts for some years to come. Can the Padres afford to keep that all-star core together? Seems they believe they can. So this is where the discussion of money ends and baseball begins.
340 mil over 12 years, paid as follows
40 mil for the next 5 years with an opt out at 5 years , 20 mil for 7more
Actually lowers his AAV
The Saber-toothed Superfife
It is terrible these guys get paid so much money.
Why is it terrible?
The Saber-toothed Superfife
Because, as the customer, I have to pay more. They are a monopoly, as an America man my age, I feel obligated to support baseball.
It tells the world, America and Americans are so screwed up; that the things that are truly important are being ignored so we may be “entertained”.
It’s a shame.
Other things are worth way more than Manny Machados’ ego.
Like new hospital, education…you name it. Half a BILLION for Ohtani?
Come on. This.generation is being foolish and very, very selfish. People of the generations who built this country would.be embarrassed.
You not only flunk basic economics, you also don’t sound like much of a baseball fan.
The Saber-toothed Superfife
I flunk economics?
What moron school.did.you.go.to ,Harvard?
It’s not my money I’m spending?
Baseball, apple pie and mom!
You flunk everything.
The Saber-toothed Superfife
You sound like a spoiled rich person.who.has never had a real hard day in their life and has no idea what is.really important in life as far as considering others…
I already figured you have no argument, but really, this response is just plain awful.
The Saber-toothed Superfife
I TOTALLY %100 OBJECT to MLB’s policy of “must spend or lose it” policy for international signing!
Do you realize that is the institutionalized transfer of ONE BILLION DOLLARS OUT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA EVERY THREE YEARS?
That’s how little I know about economics and I object to the people who are running an AMERICAN institution of MLB!
The Saber-toothed Superfife
Yeah, let’s instead spend the billons on another recount in AZ
Say, what? I’m sure I’m going to regret engaging with you on this any further, but here it goes.
Why you flunk basic economics: Baseball is an entertainment, and the owners of this entertainment are always going to charge us as much we are willing to pay to watch it.
Why you don’t seem like a baseball fan: Instead of using the money we spend on baseball for improving the quality of the entertainment we pay to watch, you apparently believe ownership should pay the players less, so they can keep more of the money we pay to watch baseball for themselves.
You don’t understand economics…if these salaries continue to skyrocket the only people affected monetarily are the fans. This escalation of salary will allow only the haves to attend games, the have nots, which is about 80 of the population will have to watch their team on TV as they won’t be able to afford to attend a game in person. The owner is not going to lose money in any deal as fans are stuck with the payment.
Didja notice where Machado got the first violation of baseball’s Pitch Clock Era?
365-375 guaranteed $ push just to top Judge. Doubt the AAV as much a priority-so peg at 10yrs. So few clubs can consider that and maintain a competitive roster, but have feeling Padres will just do it……and let Soto be the guy to walk if they don’t win a WS in his 3 cracks.
2 cracks. Soto’s reaches FA in 2025.
Seidler playing crowd control right now, he should focus on Soto. He got a replacement in Merrill. It’s been a good ride with Manny
Exactly. Rather have Soto and Merril on the team 5,6,7 years from now.
If Seidler wants Manny and Soto and Merrill, why argue against him? It’s not your money.
Hey Manny, next time you leave PetCo drive 100 miles west and stay there.
Old timer 78
Think about ALL the Mis-information the Press Put out this Past Winter about TRADES etc
Some writers more than others. They just want to get their Names in print.
“There’s no indication an agreement is likely, through it comes as something of a surprise to hear conversations are still ongoing.“ umm what!?? Peter Seidler and Manny have given us every indication that an agreement is more likely than the op out. They love and respect eachother. They will reach an agreement. And it’s not surprising to hear conversations are ongoing, as pads owner is on record saying “Manny is top priority”.. lol how do you guys get a away with writing this non sense.
Danny D, I’d disagree that Manny has given every indication that an agreement is more likely than the opt-out. Being open to an extension, and even hoping it happens, still does not mean he thinks it more likely. It still comes down to Seidler making an offer close enough to his FA market value. He hasn’t done that yet, and unless that happens Manny is opting out.
I respect your take. Given Manny has publicly said he is opting out, as he should. But he has to play his cards right, not just for himself, but for the future of young baseball athletes. In addition, he has to light a fire under the Padres. But aside from that, he has given all indications he really wants to stay in SD. And the feelings are mutual. He has publicly said he loves the Padres, He loves the fans and the city of San Diego. I mean hell, he lives in Coronado island. Who the hell would want to leave that place. And now as of yesterday hes publicly saying “all options are still on the table”, which happened to be the same day news dropped that him, and the Padres are still negotiating.. and we know how Peter Seidler works, I mean the guy try to sign every free agent possible this past off-season. I would be surprised if he let Manny Machado get away.. I guess I’m just trying to read between the lines here.. it all indicates to me he staying with the Padres….
Danny D, Totally agree with everything you say in this post. I was only commenting on the idea that Machado gave any indication that a deal was more likely than not. I hadn’t gotten that from any of Manny’s statements.
I’m not at all surprised that they did agree on a deal. My position all along was the 5/$105M offer was less than FA market value, and Seidler would need to make an offer that was before Manny agreed. The 11/$350M offer was about what Machado could have expected as a FA.
@Danny D Bogaerts was also a “top priority” for the Red Sox and look how that turned out. Don’t believe everything owners and front offices tell you, they’ve become much like politicians willing to lie over and over again in order to make themselves look good.
11 year $350 mill!! I GUESS I WAS RIGHT!!
Im telling you guys. Padres Aj Preller and Peter Siedler will not stop untill they have multiple WS titles.. now that chado locked, dont be surprised if they land Ohtani this offseason. He would love to play with Yu Darvish and before choosing the Angels, he nearly chose the Padres but no DH at the time, ultimately chose the Angels. This offseason can be different..
Anyone else think if Manny opts out the Padres might decline to extend the QO out of respect and deference to him? It’s happened before (Kershaw), the QO only matters if they fail to sign him (which Seidler has already said getting Manny signed is his top priority) and because the Padres are paying the luxury tax they would only stand to lose a 4th/5th round sandwich pick if he walks while gaining a whole bunch of goodwill from the clubhouse and fanbase.
I think the QO is a given. The Kershaw thing was extremely unique to the situation. 5 years doesn’t compare to what Kershaw had given LA.
Put me in the category of hoping it doesn’t come to that.
Manny singlehandedly turned the narrative around in SD.
Don’t overlook the Hosmer signing that started the process to get Manny – LOL.
lol oh god
The QO is certainly a given. The uniqueness of the Kershaw situation is he was facing really only two choices, retirement or remaining with the Dodgers.
Same is true for Machado according to some Padres fans.
See how the season goes. Let the pressure of his walk year motivate him. Why lose a valuable trade piece/compensation pick before August?
Steve Cohen Owns You
Machado and Grisham for Baty and a few mid-level prospects.
I really hope he gets the raise so he can afford eggs.
Let him walk at the numbers being bandied about. The inevitable decline is coming, as it does for everyone. I don’t know why baseball teams are so willing to pay for past performance.
Exactly every dollar is based on past performance instead of potential going forward, the team that signs him will be handcuffed for years wit that contract, we went through Cano’s contract and it was only 20mil, imagine a 30-35mil contract, that’s a team payroll breaker.
Hope the Puds break the bank to extend him. It will hamstring them in the future and they will regret it in 3-4 years when he is in decline. Trade his overrated ass at the deadline for prospects and work on an extension for Soto.
“Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.”
Or in this case a Dodger fan!
Padres will sign him because of the fear of NY teams signing him.
Personally he won’t get the 400mil he’s asking for, that ain’t happening so the Padres are bidding against themselves. I would hold my ground and provide him with a 5 year extension for 100-125 the max, take it or leave it as no team is going to give him the 400mil he’s looking for.
“ There’s no indication an agreement is likely”… the next day he signs 11 year 350 mill… you NY “writers” are clowns…