Cardinals outfielder Tyler O’Neill is not in today’s lineup, with Dylan Carlson taking his center field spot. It appears as though this is relation to a play in last night’s game where O’Neill was thrown out at home, trying to score from second on a single by Brendan Donovan (Twitter link with video from the Braves). Manager Oli Marmol is of the opinion that O’Neill wasn’t running with full effort on the play and spoke on the record about it last night and again today, as relayed by Derrick Goold of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch and Katie Woo of The Athletic.
“There is a standard,” Marmol said. “You meet it, you play. You don’t meet it, you don’t play.” He further commented: “There’s going to be a style of play that we are known for. It’s going to involve effort and it’s going to involve being relentless. It’s going to involve being smart. We’re going to hold guys to that, because that’s how you sustain being good for a long time. There’s a lot of good players in that clubhouse, and down below, and I love competition. And the last thing you want to do when you’re in competition is open up a window.”
O’Neill doesn’t agree with Marmol’s view of the situation. “I’m trying to do everything I can to stay on the field and give it my best effort,” O’Neill said. “I’ve never been known to be a dogger in any caliber. So for him to say that is very strong words.” The outfielder also took exception to Marmol talking to the media about the situation. “I don’t think it should’ve been handled that way,” O’Neill said. “I think if there’s internal issues they should be handled internally. We should have each others backs out there. Sometimes it doesn’t go that way I guess. Live and you learn.”
The club came into the season with a glut of outfielders, including O’Neill, Carlson, Jordan Walker, Lars Nootbaar, Alec Burleson and Juan Yepez. Nootbaar is currently on the injured list but there’s still plenty of guys for three spots, while Nolan Gorman has been the designated hitter most days so far this year. Marmol’s comments suggest that his feelings about the play in question are strong enough that O’Neill is at risk of losing playing time beyond just today’s benching. Time will tell as to how it plays out in the long term, but O’Neill didn’t seem to have a good answer when asked how they will move past this. “I don’t know,” O’Neill said. “Continue with our communication. But really? I don’t know.”
O’Neill can be an excellent player when healthy, which he showed in 2021. He hit 34 home runs that year and slashed .286/.352/.560 for a wRC+ of 144. He also stole 15 bases and was given strong grades for his outfield defense, leading to a tally of 5.6 wins above replacement by FanGraphs. Last year, injuries limited him to 96 games and he wasn’t as impactful while on the field. He’s making $4.95MM this year and can be controlled via arbitration in 2024 before he’s slated to reach free agency.
Moving to less dramatic and more standard fare, Katie Woo also relayed some updates on injured members of the team. As mentioned, Nootbaar is currently on the IL, which is due to a thumb contusion. It seemed like he would likely have a short stay on the shelf and Woo relays that he may not even require a rehab assignment, though the club still isn’t sure about that. His return would further complicate the already-crowded outfield mix.
Adam Wainwright, on the injured list with a groin strain, will throw a bullpen tomorrow as he works his way back to health. Infielder Paul DeJong, who’s been out with a back issue, will begin a rehab assignment tomorrow, taking the designated hitter spot for Palm Beach.
STL has so many talented OF players and O’Neill only 1+ season left on his deal. They should trade him for pitching or prospects. Like Bader last year, I imagine they’ll move him at the deadline.
Unless he hits like crazy, O’Neill is as good as gone midseason…that’s how the cardinals operate….Plus as far as I have noticed I am not that impressed with his CF defense…he plays to deep, doesn’t get good jumps…a lot of balls falling in that would be tough catches but at the same time he isn’t even close to catching them…imo
Because he’s not a CF. I don’t think the decision to play there is his. His only ‘reason’ to player there is he is fast. He’s better suited for the corners.
The decision to play there was absolutely his. He arrived at Spring Training saying he wanted to challenge for CF. He can play CF great but he’s worried about being injured again, hence the play the last night. He knows CF earn more money in Free Agency.
He is not a great centerfielder at all. He does not give a good effort on balls hit in front of him and is so scared to get hurt he doesn’t hustle. This base running episode from yesterday is not an isolated incident. Any Cardinal fan who watches every play on tv should know that.
Doesn’t matter though because the stats don’t lie when it comes to his defense in CF. No one will pay a premium for an average at best player in CF.
You see what you want don’t you?
Who didn’t see this benching coming after last night and the comments made to the media by Marmol?
Dumb for Marmol to drag that through the media. That should be handled internally.
Marmol should be let go. Bring on Yadi
Exactly right. Marmol has to prove he is bigger than the players, the team. He is not anything but an average manager and decidedly immature one at that.
He was not only called out at the plate, he was called out in the media, bad juju…
Very poor at handling pitching changes.
Very poor at leaving his fading starters in too long.
Especially since the mistake was Pop Warner sending him.
Oli won’t win many converts if he keeps hanging his players out to dry.
Yeah I don’t quite get it. There are times to call out a player but they’re extremely rare, and this was definitely not one of them.
This really sours me on Marmol. Only an experienced manager should be doing this, if at all. .I don’t ever remember Larussa calling out a player in his time here.
Ozzie Smith would like a word …
Marmol was asked a question and answered it honestly. I respect that, and if a player doesn’t want to get called out give 100%.
You missed the point by a mile and a quarter. A manager (or anyone else for that matter) is not obligated to give detailed answers to media questions or any answer at all. He commented when a comment wasn’t advisable.
Yeah but he could have sidestepped the question, been honest about it, and still not called him out. O”Neill was clearly blindsided by it. As far as the eye test, O”Neill is an all out player. Look at the way he played left in the past. He was always giving up his body. I think there’s just a miscommunication here. They want him to scale it back so he stays healthy, but when he does scale it back running the bases, if that’s indeed what he did, then they’re not happy. They just need to have a sit down, but there’s no need to bring it into the media. Because now this is what everyones talking about. If he has a problem with it then he calls O’neill into his office and asks him what happened on that play.
Marmol should shut his trap.
I feel like that is pretty much leadership 101, you can call the TEAM out in the media but never individual players.
I’m kinda on O’Neil’s side here. I can see the debate that he didn’t hustle, but honestly, it looked like he did to me. Guess I’d have to watch it side by side of him sprinting hard. More importantly, the manager shouldn’t have made this a media spectacle… so dumb. Have a conversation like a man and move on
You have to take the player’s word for it… and the Media and public should never have been aware fo the issue between Marmol and ONeill. This is all on Marmol for talking when he should have said nothing publicly.
Even Braves broadcasters said O’Neill was running and couldn’t see what the gripe is about from Oli. To me, he doesn’t look like he’s running 100%, but if he has had hamstring injuries in the past, I can imagine him being gingerly.
Either way, 3B coach had no business sending him (not a fast runner) vs. Acuña’s arm on a solid single, when Acuña had already thrown out a runner (at 2B) earlier in the game, if you wonder how his arm was. Plus, that run meant very little in a 4-1 game and stopped the momentum they had in the inning, with the out at home being more than the run would have been, presumably.
Tyler O’Neill is one of the fastest players in MLB…
He is. I think he definitely wasn’t running at full speed. Someone else mentioned that he missed time with a hamstring injury so he might be worried about getting another one. That’s about the only valid explanation I see.
@Cardsfanatik – Not on that play…he looked like he just came from Leg Day.
He runs .. differently .. than many. I think that is what makes him look slower. I don’t get to see the Cards much, but I always felt O’Neill looked slower than people make out because he runs upright with his knees nearly locked in a certain bend. When I first saw him I thought .. man, someone really trained this guy to always go in feet first because he is almost leaning backward as he runs. The turn at third was slow, but he did cut it instead of rounding, which is the correct method even if it does slow you down a bit.
Whatever the case, Marmol was in the wrong .. and the fact he had a second snarky reply after O’Neill responded just shows Marmol’s immaturity. Even if the rest of the Cards thought O’Neill loafed, they would be more annoyed with Marmol’s nonsense.
If he scores, they would have had runners on 2nd and 3rd. Another single would’ve possibly tied the game.
Agree with most that this had no reason to be aired out publicly though. Plus, it had just started raining, and the bases may have been wet. Just dumb to send him on Acuna.
Marmol is right but so is O’Neill.
A manager has something to say to a player, he does it in the clubhouse.
The Cardinals are primarily a veteran team that’s contending. Bringing an inexperienced manager into a situation like that
usually doesn’t work. At some point the manager messes up
and the veterans get on him.
To add…..
Mike Shildt had come on as a rookie manager, but he was in the organization for a long time and had the respect of the players his first year.
True that. I watched him at AA, win the Texas League championship. Still have the clubhouse tee!
Correct! Mistake was hiring an inexperienced and immature manager for a perpetually contending team. Proof right here, he is about to lose the clubhouse. Huge issue.
Primarily a veteran team? Do you see the number of first and second year players? There are a few veterans surrounded by young players. The pitchers are mostly veterans.
Veterans? In addition to the pitchers:
Willson Contreras, Andrew Knizner, Paul Goldschmidt, Nolan Arenado, Tommy Edman, Tyler O’Neill, Dylan Carlson, Paul DeJong.
Someone called him in and told him the players were under-
performing and he should do something about it. The exact
same thing happed with the Mets owner getting on Luis Rojas…..
and the team played worse.
A manager can only be who he is.
Dylan Carlson has two full years. I don’t consider that veteran. Paul DeJong is a non factor and isn’t likely to be on the club long. O’Neill and Edman do qualify as young veterans.
Walker, Burleson, Nootbaar, Donovan, Gorman. Three of those are starters and first or second year players.
I consider that a young team with only three starters over 30.
O’Neil lolly gagged, and Marmol called him out! Well done, Marmol!
Marmol is a snarky fartknocker.
O’Neill should body slam that peckerwood.
Absolute bush league by Marmol. That was a conversation for behind closed doors, not the media. What a crappy thing to do, from a manager that hasn’t proven a thing in this league, other than he couldn’t play in it.
I don’t think that publicly calling out someone you expect and need to be a positive contributor to the team without a private conversation first in the first week of the season is a good move. Probably never should’ve fired Shildt a couple years ago in my opinion.
Molina will be needing a job soon enough lol
Hire all three. The Molina triad.
jimmyz;
The Oli Marmol hiring was not a good one. It reminds me of the Mets hiring Luis Rojas and having him working with a veteran contending team. He wasn’t ready. Both may well be successful mangers with other teams in the future.
The fact is that the Cardinals team underperformed against the good teams in big games during 2022 and in the playoffs. It may be that Marmol is trying to do something about it (the Braves are currently outplaying them on the field), but what he did was counterproductive.
On paper the Cardinals should be up there in the NL with the Dodgers, Braves, etc. MLB isn’t Rotisserie League. Can’t just throw players stats out there. Until I see different, there’s something about John Mozeliak regarding the baseball acumen / Branch Rickey influence that’s different than I saw in St. Louis Cardinals baseball for decades.
No, you pretty much can indeed throw the stats out there and the team’s performance on average will be the sum total of the statistical contributions from each player. This isn’t football where you have all the players working together on each play.
And by the way, Branch Rickey was a statistics pioneer also. He hired a statistician back in the 1940s and was into on-base percentage way before it became a thing. So you may not have liked the real Branch Rickey that much, being the stat-hater you are.
Correct on every count. Shildt would never have thrown a player under the bus who was trying hard. If anything, he was too supportive of his players and it cost him his dream job. Shildt was a professional in so many ways that Marmol is not.
Shildt never said anything bad about anyone. It was always sunshine and rainbows after every game, even when they took a good drubbing and played terrible. It was sickening.
I honestly hope it p*ssed oniell off all the way.. it will be about time that some of these guys play with some fire rather than complacency… way too much talent smto go down the same road as last year imo
Well Oli, this is another fine mess you’ve gotten me into.
I’m with O’neill, handle it man to man, not in the media circus. I’m also very impressed with Murphy’s catching ability, he made multiple great defensive plays last night.
I watched it live and could tell he wasn’t running at his typical speed. I said as much to my wife. If I saw it, the sports media saw it so it had to be addressed. If Tyler had just admitted he either thought the throw was going to second or he thought he was going to score easily, then I’d forgive him. But he denies it when there’s visual evidence. Good for Marmol to call him out.
I think Tyler was taken by surprise on the “send” call put up by the 3rd base coach. Not sure it’s a lack of effort, more of being mentally hesitant at that moment in time.
Exactly. That was my first take.
It was a terrible send. I was wondering if part of it was “showing up” the 3B coach. I didn’t watch the game, but I did watch the Twitter clip linked in the article. Looks like Tyler stares off in disbelief in the direction of 3B coach after the play. Maybe that has something to do with it? But wow, terrible decision by coach at 3rd…
The whole thing is weird, there has to be more going on with this. Make an out at home down by 3????? Marmol protecting his coach over the player, maybe Marmol just dislike O neill. I’ll give Melancon for O neill.
Two things no one seems to mention:
1. It was raining and that makes you run differently.
2. In no replay I’ve seen does it show O’Neil rounding third. With a wet field and not getting to see him round the base, it’s difficult to evaluate how fast he should be running.
The question isn’t about whether or not to call him out though, it’s about whether or not to do so in the media or discuss it in the clubhouse.
Not even in the clubhouse. That’s an office confrontation. You don’t want other players in on it either. The clubhouse is where players call each other out.
Does the player decide when to run or does he follow the coach’s directions? As an OF, they can tell if he is running normally in the field. It does not take a trip on the basepath to see that. Slower than normal or not, it is completely on Marmol to deal with this and anything else between himself and all players outside the scrutiny of the Media. Shows how poor a manager Marmol truly is.
@showmebb I definitely don’t think
Tyler thought Acuna would throw to 2nd on a hard liner right to him and no chance he thought he’d score easily. To me it looked like he thought there was zero chance he’d be sent because there was zero chance we was gonna score on Acuna’s arm there regardless of how hard he was running. The 3rd base coach is who should’ve been called out.
Good to call him out?
It’s a punk move.
I think that basically calling your player a non hustling bum in public is not a good move by Marmol. Discipline like that should be handled internally. If it happens repeatedly you trade the guy, not diminish his value.
It reminds me of when LaRussa called out Yermin Mercedes. I knew LaRussa was obsolete when that happened.
I agree that no manager should publicly battle a player in the Media. Reminds me of why I disliked Steinbrenner so much back in the day. As to Yermin, he was barely a MLB on the Orioles who I have followed since I was a young boy and I am old now. Everyone hyped up Yermin due a completely unexpected hitting streak. He was not a capable MLB player and the Orioles had cut him loose, that says a lot right there. Still, I agree with you that LaRussa should have said less.
Shoot, I’m a Yankees fan, but Steinbrenner could be a blankety-blank. Oddly, he made examples of Munson, Martin, Winfield and Nettles… and all except occasionally Martin were above board as players and men… and even Martin always had the Yankees’ interests at heart.
I get choked up watching the Martin documentary.
Trade him to the Braves for Ian Anderson
Please do!!
That would be an absolute steal for the Braves
@pinstripes a cardboard cut out of o’neil would be an improvement out in left field for atl.
Marmol is the problem, he just lost the confidence of every player in that clubhouse by taking a complaint about a player to the press. O’Neill is right, no idea how you move foreward after that.
Handle it man to man or spill it to Katie WOOOOOOO!!!
Calm down there, Mr. Flair!
Manage in the clubhouse not in the media.
I think Oli is in over his head, he never played the game he’s not a players manager. He’s a yes man for Mo,that’s it.
Poorly handled by the young fool , Oli
Agreed,Oli really looks lost, he’s a yes man. He just hand in the lineup that the computer spits out. That showed me he wasn’t really a good man!
@dad
when schlidt got fired for “philosophical differences” aka he didn’t fill out the line up like mo wanted so mo goes and gets his yes man. imo mo needs to stick with what he’s good at and build the team and get a manger who can mange and stop trying to do both.
Bryce Elder baffling the Cardinals with his 80-90 mph pitches. Matt Olson is on fire right now. Maybe Olson hits 50 homers this year?
Marmol, what a fool. You think you are sending a message to the team that they have to perform or they will be benched. The only message you sent was to show your incompetence as a MLB manager. You are feeling the pressure and are pointing fingers at the players. Proving you were definitely not the right hire to replace Shildt, a guy who would do all he could for his players and not throw them under the bus.
Well here we go again, instead of blaming a player for NOT hustling, go after the manager and take the view off the player. (Pujols?)
Except that it wasn’t a lack of hustle at all.
Poor form on Marmols part.
Wow
Marmol is a loser for handling this through the media instead of talking about it man to man in the clubhouse. What a great leader!
I wonder why nobody is talking about it being a boneheaded decision to send O’Neill in the first place.
He probably could have made it, had he not second-guessed the 3B coach.
Him peeking around at the OF for his own second opinion slowed him down. It most likely got him thrown out at home.
You’re taught as early as little league, you’re only looking, when heading into second. But that’s really only to decide whether to slide or not.
The rest of your baserunning is 100% hustle, and pick up your 1B and 3B coaches and do what they say. The baserunners’ opinion is not needed.
No way he makes it. Ball was roped. Two bouncer to shallow playing cannon.
Runners run through stop signs all the time. Do they usually get publicly called out that way? NO.
Shoulda handled it like Ted Lasso would, not how Nate Shelley would!
Marmol just screwed himself; lost the clubhouse in the first week of the season. What a punk! Mike Schildt is somewhere shaking his head in disgust, he got a raw deal !
Schildt did get boned, but he’s having fun in SD now. Made the best of a bad situation; gotta love his positive outlook!
It wasn’t necessarily about his actual “hustle.”
…or about ONeill being a “dogger” as he’s quoted as being the reason.
There’s a Marmol quote being lost in all this…
“Bottom line, that’s not his judgment, and that’s why we have a coach standing over there,” Marmol said. “Your effort’s 100 percent until you’re told not to (run).”
I’d guess the writer just missed it, not purposely left it out.
Regardless, he was benched for not using the 3rd base coach. If you watch the replay, his head’s turned, trying to see the OF’s throw home.
Anyone who’s played baseball know that will slow you down.
Marmol wants him picking up the 3B coach… pull up if he says stop… or put your nose down and scoot of he waves you around.
That’s why he’s there.
From the videos I’ve watched you can’t see. Did O’Neill blow through the stop sign?
He was watching the play over his shoulder instead of the third base coach. Doing that slowed him down.
Runners run through 3rd base coach stop signs all the time. Do they usually get called out for it like that? NO.
Jordan Walker reminds me of Darryl Strawberry running the bases after a home run. I realize he has more weight than Darryl but height wise it’s close.
Pop Warner is at fault here. The ball was shallow, and the guy in RF has a cannon (and obviously an accurate one). Im fine not calling him out publicly. But then calling the player out for what was an obvious mistake by the 3rd base coach seems like poor judgement.
All Oli has shown here is that he’ll hang his players out to dry.
Blame Pop if your going to blame someone.
What is going on with O’Neil and not hustling? Watched him dog it repeatedly over several games and now coaching starting to call him out.
Watched him dog it repeatedly huh?
What a joke.
Typical hypocrisy. There wouldn’t be so much criticism of Marmol here had it instead been been someone like Counsell, Ross, or Kapler calling out a player like O’Neill.
Wtf are you babbling about? I know exactly what you’re alluding to, and it’s rather hilarious for you to even believe something so ridiculous.
You give NorCal a bad name.
It’s a shame Vin Scully didn’t keep going quite long enough for us hear him say “Lars Nootbaar.”
3-2 count on Lars Nootbaar and there’s a deep fly ball to right field… She is gone!!
I heard Vin say all that in my head just as clear as day, thanks Edub! RIP VS
On a fastball from Odrisamer Despaigne!
@blueskies
it’s a shame that Scully or Jack Buck not here anymore to call games, heck i’m not even a lad fan but would watch there games just to hear scully call a game. even though scully was a lad fan his broadcasts kept pretty neutral and would just recognize great plays regardless of team. least we still have bob u but once he retires all the greats will be gone which will be sad
Yeah, don’t get me started with the technobabblers we have to listen to now. Or not. I mute the sound most of the time so I can enjoy the game and imagine how Vin would call it my head. If only they could pipe in the crowd sound all by itself.
before jack retired a lot of times me and the old man would mute the tv and flip on the radio and watch the game. tbh i would love to watch a card vs lad game with vs and jb calling the game together now that would be an epic game regardless who won.
I did that often myself for national broadcast games Vin was calling only on the radio. Then they added the time delay to the radio so you couldn’t do that. It also killed the transistor radios in the stadium. They used to give them away as promotional items. Then suddenly you couldn’t even listen them.
they shouldn’t of said no to the radio in the stadium, heck it’s one of the main reason the big market clubs built there current markets. that’s one of the main reason the cards have such a big following was because of the radio. plus the radio allowed to follow along with the and do other stuff like work on your car or out fishing
Where is that vaunted offense of St Louis? Braves pictures pretty much took them out early.
Falling back to earth after hammering Toronto so hard. It happens.
Doesn’t help when Atl gets strikes called that are 5 inches outside.
Much ado about nothing. They were running the left handed lineup out there today regardless of what happened last night.
Here we go again. Man does not hustle, gets called out, and fans go after Manager. I do believe I seen this broadcast before. PUJOLS??
Here we go again. Man does not hustle, gets called out, and fans go after Manager. I do believe I seen this broadcast before.
Except it wasn’t lack of hustle. It was dumbfound disbelief that a moron would send him right there. It’s called a mental mistake, and they usually are addressed in-house.
A last place team with a cancerous clubhouse, dumb manager, over their heads coaching staff and a roration that is absolutely terrible. Your 2023 St Louis cardinals.
Slider, we get it, you hate yourself and your life and you want everyone else to be at your level of misery. What a complete waste of oxygen.
Sliders not wrong on everything. Thank you Oli.
His own comments tell the tale. He’s doing his best to stay on the field meaning he’s gun shy of an injury and didn’t run full speed trying not to pull a muscle. This for him is a very real issue because he’s so overly muscle bound. He got caught, got spanked in public, and now feels embarrassed. Be a man and move on.
I don’t like un-established players ever being called out publicly, but I have less of an issue with veterans being called out, but I still don’t think it’s a good idea in most instances.
If Marmol was always going to bench O’Neill, there was never a way to keep it out of the media. It’s not like the media and fans wouldn’t have put 2 and 2 together and speculated O’Neill’s effort was behind the benching, but there would also be a distraction from the conspiracy theorists postulating O’Neill being hurt or Marmol and O’Neill disliking each other, etc.
I’d expect a veteran on the team (Wainwright) to say something very soon on the issue.
Marmol obviously is not in control. Maybe Wainright can be.
Looking at you Nado.
I dunno, don’t follow the team religiously, but Nado seems more of a “quiet” leader, who prefers to “lead by example.”
@ignoran
nado is the vocal fired up leader your thinking of goldy, who is quiet leader that leads by example
Not a good look for Marmol. Not using his marbols.
My guess the Cardinals are already shopping O’Neill to OF needy clubs with the Giants on the phone..
Who the heck would we want from the Giants?
The way this way put into the media and the heel digging that went on today shows Marmol already has some sort of issue with O’’Neill. He probably has a better relationship with Carlson but the analytics tell him to put O’Neil out there. That’s besides the fact that the eye test says Tyler is the best option for CF as well. It makes no sense to make a scene about a perceived lack of effort the first week of the season, especially for a player that gets labeled as injury prone. Marmol again showed he is in over his head. But unfortunately, because of letting go of Schildt for “philosophical differences”, this could very well put O’Niel on the trade block. No way Mozalak will eat crow and admit another bad hiring decision and a bad decision on Schildt. Maybe Marmol should worry more about the rotation and worry about 65% of the clubs hits coming on ground balls.
Eye test says O’Neill is the best option?
guest likes Tyler’s tuchus.
Hi Bronxmac!
Hey Sportsmutt!
To guest: You make a lot of points. Not sure if you are all right, but Cardinals did fire a good manager.
Agree 100%. Mike was/IS a good skipper!
But why is Marmol lashing out like this? He is behaving irrationally given only one week into the season. If he can’t keep his head together now, what’s he going to be like on July 1 ?? What is triggering this? Merely a preference for Carlson over O’Neill in CF ??? This is a rather peculiar turn of events.
I agree Tyler is not a CF! I do think he normally hustles. I hope this get buried in one day. Many teams would take Tyler as a starter. BTW,what happened in the Atlanta series? Cards got run over by the Atlanta Truck!
Atlanta is good. Good young team.
I hope the kid can get out of that cesspool of a town and organization and play somewhere he is appreciated. Just like I’m sure Flaherty has a countdown on a calendar showing how days he has before he is free of that clown organization.
The clown organization with just one losing season and two World Series titles this century?
11 World Championships all told. NL record.
HEY! Bounty Quicker-Picker-upper!
Watch it mister! Cesspool?
I’ve enjoyed numerous trips to the White Castle in Maryland Heights to enjoy their nutritious, delicious fare! You’d better tone down the rhetoric!
@bronxmac77 funny story my dad built that white castle and almost punched out the building inspector. later that year at a 4th july party we were drinking with another carpenter that did punch him. i would hate to be a business owner wanting a building in mh because it’s going to cost you 30% more because contractors hate mh
There’s a Harrah’s casino in MH. At least there was. I’m in AZ now, so I wouldn’t know.
@bronx
harris is still there kinda of it’s called hollywood but still there and riverport is now called the hollywood amphitheater but i think everyone here still calls it riverport, i know i do
Wow. The Harrah’s used to pay for all the trash collection for Maryland Heights. Sounds like an organized crime deal.
“No no. You don’t buy me out. I buy you out.”
@bronx
didn’t know that how ever my dad told me he almost got into a wreck or ran over daily in one of the subdivision by the earth city dump (for everyone not familiar with the stl area earth city and maryland heights border each other) because the sellers that showed the homes to new customers would fly through the subdivision so they couldn’t smell the dump. he also told me june to sep everyone left about one because the smell was so bad everyone would just start throwing up
Even when Bobby Cox pulled Andruw Jones in the middle of an inning, he didn’t throw Andruw under the bus in front of the press. Andruw got the message without it, and played better from then on.
Hard to believe their are so many TON haters out there.
Fire Marmol. TON haters must be here because of their Twitter bans. Marmol is a fool. Ask anyone who watched the playoffs last year. Then he throws Helsley under the bus.
This is inexcusable. Of course this will be a disaster, because we know Mo will never do what’s best for the team if it means admitting to a mistake. And Marmol is a mistake. Maybe a big one.
Whenever there’s a young white ballplayer called out or in public by a Latino, there’s always outcry that “they should’ve handled in better” or “he should’ve spoken in private”. I’ve barely heard of O’Neill and he hasn’t earned anything or the right to call out a manager of of the Standard franchises of MLB in public. Shut up and prove em wrong. If Marmol were some new white Gene Hackman type of Hoosiers disrupter coach, he’d be described as “ultra competitive” or “no one one wants to win more”, “a straight shooter” “honest”
If gene Hackman called out anyone for something that was clearly not their fault, then yeah, gene would have his detractors as well. The guy you have never heard of does not dog-it or show lack of desire to do what it takes to win. I can’t believe that Oli has started this momentum. I’ve never heard one complaint about TON before regarding hustle.
Maybe if you’d heard more of this player, you wouldn’t be so quick to jump to Oli’s defense.
Why bring race into it? This isn’t about race.
Dumb take. Being white/non-white has nothing to do with it, Skippy.
Tyler O’Neil will soon be traded and Marmol eventually fired. I can’t see this going any other way.
i hope your right i never liked the oli hiring to begin with it felt like mo just wanted his yes man he has been looking for since tlr left. as far as ton i like him but his durability scares me and with only 1 year left and his agent is boras i’d rather get something of value now for him than the possible comp pick at the end of next year
I happen to personally know Tyler and he is a dedicated ball player.
As a Yankee fan if I were Cashman I would be on the blower right now trying to fix our left field problem by bringing in O’Neill.
So, if the manager has this to say about O’Neil, why hasn’t he publicly called out his pitching staff? They’ve been worse than anything Tyler did.
The whole Cardinals team looks flat, especially compared with the Braves.
Sounds like Ollie os scapegoating Tyler for the team’s 2-4 start
Tyler did seem to spend too much time looking over his left shoulder on his way to home plate. If you’re going to commit to going home, focus on home plate, not the fielder.
Disagree. A good base runner always looks around and assesses the situation. Coaches are just that. Coaches. Running the bases is the responsibility of the baserunner. Home plate is pretty easy to find. Doesn’t take über focus.
If you’ve passed third base, shouldn’t your focus be on getting to home as soon as possible? It looked like he was looking around for at least half the distance. I don’t think it’s possible to run as fast that way.
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i agree it looked like he paused then went, either way your braves showed up to play and played good. my birds on the other hand didn’t heck they looked more like pit than a contender, but it’s only 6 games and hopefully when we play next we sweep and kick your guys butts.
I always dread the possibility of the Braves playing the Cardinals in the playoffs. It usually doesn’t go well.
in the past yes but this time around i’m
more afraid of atl because that core you have is young and one of the best in bb locked up for a while and they just recently won without there best guys. in 19 my birds did not beat you, the braves beat themselves there not the same choking braves of old.