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The Orioles Rotation Is In Better Shape Than You Might Think

By Nick Deeds | October 8, 2023 at 9:34am CDT

The Orioles have been defined by defying expectations all season long. The club was afforded just 1.3% odds of winning the AL East over at Fangraphs when the 2023 season began back in March, with a projected record of just 76-86 that made them the only team in their division projected to finish below .500. Despite those long odds, however, Baltimore’s youngsters managed to propel themselves to a 101-win season that placed them firmly atop not only their division, but the entire AL, as only the Braves won more games in 2023.

Despite the club’s regular season success, however, the club was still far from favored in the postseason race. Entering October, the Orioles were given just a 6.5% chance of winning the World Series, odds worse than not just the Braves but also the Dodgers, Astros, and even their division-rival Blue Jays. Concern over Baltimore’s ability to translate their regular season success into the postseason seems to revolve primarily around one thing: the club’s pitching staff.

While the loss of closer Felix Bautista to Tommy John surgery hurts the club’s bullpen, much of the concern regarding the Orioles has been directed toward the club’s starting rotation. It’s not hard to see why; the club’s 10.7 fWAR from the rotation this season is just 16th in the majors, better than only the Dodgers among playoff teams. Other metrics are similarly lukewarm on Baltimore’s group: they rank 11th in rotation ERA, 13th in rotation FIP, and 16th in strikeout rate.

When looking at the individual pieces of the club’s rotation, it’s easy to see why the club’s overall numbers are uninspiring. Throughout the 2023 campaign, the Orioles relied on nine pitchers to start games of them: Kyle Gibson, Dean Kremer, Kyle Bradish, Grayson Rodriguez, Tyler Wells, Cole Irvin, Jack Flaherty, John Means, and Keegan Akin. Only Means (157), Bradish (146) and Wells (113) posted better than average seasons by measure of ERA+, and only Bradish remains in the club’s rotation for the ALDS after Means was scratched from the roster due to elbow soreness and Wells moved to the bullpen late in the year.

Given this mediocre production from the rotation, it’s easy to think that the club’s decision this offseason to make only minor tweaks to the rotation, replacing Jordan Lyles with Gibson and trading for Irvin, was a major misstep. The reality of the situation is more complicated, however, as the Orioles are set up fairly well for success both in the postseason this year and looking ahead to 2024.

The primary reason for that is a simple one: the starting group in Baltimore improved significantly over the course of the season. Not only did the return of Means in September provide the club with a quality mid-rotation option who could return in later rounds of the postseason and figures to be a staple of the club’s 2024 rotation, but several players took steps forward in the second half. Each of Bradish, Rodriguez, and Kremer ranked in the top 20 among starters in ERA after the All Star break, with Bradish (2.34) and Rodriguez (2.58) both ranking in the top five. No other team in baseball had three starts as effective at run prevention during the second half, with only the Brewers (Corbin Burnes and Freddy Peralta) and Rangers (Max Scherzer and Jordan Montgomery) even having two.

The most obvious success story for the Orioles this year is Bradish, who the club acquired from the Angels in the deal that sent Dylan Bundy to Anaheim back in 2019. After a difficult rookie campaign that saw Bradish post a 4.80 ERA and 4.46 FIP in 23 starts, the right-hander’s sophomore season in 2023 has been a resounding success. Bradish has improved in virtually every aspect of his game this year, with improvements in strikeout rate (25% in 2023), walk rate (6.6%), groundball rate (49.2%), and barrel rate (6.9%). Taken together, those stronger peripherals have allowed Bradish to post a 2.83 ERA in 168 2/3 innings of work that’s surpassed only by Sonny Gray and Gerrit Cole among AL starters, with a 3.27 FIP that ranks fifth-best in the AL behind Gray, Cole, Zach Eflin and Kevin Gausman.

It’s nearly as easy to see the success of Rodriguez, who figures to start Game 2 of the ALDS against the Rangers this afternoon. After being promoted to the majors for his big league debut in early April, the 23-year-old hurler struggled badly in his first taste of big league action, with a 7.35 ERA and 5.90 FIP across his first ten starts in the big leagues. That prompted the Orioles to send Rodriguez back to Triple-A, where he very quickly found his footing with a microscopic 1.69 ERA across 37 1/3 innings of work. Upon his return to the majors in mid-July, Rodriguez looked like a completely different pitcher. In addition to his aforementioned 2.58 ERA across 13 second-half starts ranking fifth-best in the majors over that timeframe, Rodriguez also boasted a 2.76 FIP thanks to a 24% strikeout rate, 6.9% walk rate, and a whopping 52.7% groundball rate that paired with a 3.8% barrel rate to allow Rodriguez to suppress home runs in the second half better than any other starter in the majors.

Kremer is a somewhat different case, as the 2023 campaign has actually been something of a down year for him after he posted a 3.23 ERA and 3.80 FIP across 125 1/3 innings of work last year. The right-hander’s 2023 campaign has had the look of a solid back-of-the-rotation arm overall, with a 4.15 ERA that’s exactly league average by measure of ERA+ and a 4.51 FIP. That said, the second half of his 2023 campaign has lent credence to his 2022 numbers as he’s posted a 3.25 ERA and 3.98 FIP in 14 starts since the All Star break this year.

With Bradish, Rodriguez, and Kremer as the club’s top three options in the ALDS, the Orioles are in a recoverable position even after dropping Game 1 to the Rangers yesterday afternoon. What’s more, the club has a strong foundation for their rotation as they look ahead to the offseason and the 2024 campaign, as the aforementioned trio and Means are all under team control and figure to occupy rotation spots next year.

With four solid, average-or-better rotation arms locked in for 2024, the club is in a much stronger place than they were this time last year, when Kremer appeared to be the closest thing to a known commodity the Orioles had available after his first season as a regular starter. That should give GM Mike Elias and the club’s front office plenty of confidence in looking to add another arm to round out the club’s 2024 rotation this offseason on a free agent market that offers plenty of interesting options.

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  1. Yanks2

    2 years ago

    The title of this article is very poorly written

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    • Paleobros

      2 years ago

      It’s better written than you might think.

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      • Lefty_Orioles_Fan

        2 years ago

        I see what you did there

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  2. albertasaskatchewan

    2 years ago

    Sorry Nick I honestly don’t mean to be a jerk, but paragraph 8; 3.8%. ?Hr/Fb?

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    • rememberthecoop

      2 years ago

      He must have fixed whatever it was because I don’t see what you’re talking about.

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  3. jorge78

    2 years ago

    Analytics is fine, but it can’t see into the heart of a champion!

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    • Blue Baron

      2 years ago

      Not looking like a champion yet after losing game 1 at home.

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    • filihok

      2 years ago

      j78

      Neither can anyone/anything else

      So…

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  4. rememberthecoop

    2 years ago

    Just shows you what the so-called “experts” know. They only go by numbers. There is the human element to the game also.

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    • avenger65

      2 years ago

      coop: I agree. Numbers, and I mean analytics, don’t tell you anything about a player. Your own eyes do. I feel very confident in the O’s pitching. I still think they’re going to win this series against the Rangers.

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      • rememberthecoop

        2 years ago

        I’m not an O’s fan, but I’ve been rooting for them since their GM & manager came from my Cubs.

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        • Blue Baron

          2 years ago

          I thought Elias came from Houston. Hyde came from the Cubs.

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      • filihok

        2 years ago

        Avenger

        “analytics, don’t tell you anything about a player”

        What an absurd statement. Completely ignorant.

        Moving on

        “I feel very confident in the O’s pitching. I still think they’re going to win this series against the Rangers.”

        Feel free to link here to your pre-season calling if the Orioles winning the division and having one of the best records in MLB

        FanGraphs gives the Rangers a 66% chance to win the series.
        fangraphs.com/standings/playoff-odds/postseason-zi…

        If the analytics can’t tell you anything, are you willing to put up or shut up?

        If you’re so confident in your eyes, how about this. If the Rangers win, and your eyes are wrong, you don’t post again until spring training starts?

        Or are you just a blowhard?

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      • filihok

        2 years ago

        Avenger

        “Numbers, and I mean analytics, don’t tell you anything about a player. Your own eyes do. I feel very confident in the O’s pitching. I still think they’re going to win this series against the Rangers.”

        Texas is now 86% to win the series per FG

        Have your eyes deceived you?

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      • filihok

        2 years ago

        avenger

        I gotta say, I don’t think YOUR eyes can tell us ANYTHING about baseball.

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    • MacGromit

      2 years ago

      @coop
      Can anyone really prove that Sig Mejdal is human and not an AI entity? lol

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      • C Yards Jeff

        2 years ago

        @filihok

        “Or are you just a blowhard”. Kinda harsh. Yes? No? Maybe?

        I’m probably all wrong here, but an observation. From Avenger’s POV, sounds like it’s coming from an athlete who’s played the game. From your POV, sounds like it’s coming from a person who has not.

        When Yogi Berra said, “Baseball is 90% mental, the other half physical”, he wasn’t kidding.

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        • C Yards Jeff

          2 years ago

          @filihok; oops, a little harsh on my part. Apologies .

          That said; look at this article. Bradish and Rodriguez, statistically, in the 2nd half have been special. Both had rough post season outings.

          Conversely, statistically one of their worst offensive players, Mateo, shows up big time yesterday.

          It’s a funny game.

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        • filihok

          2 years ago

          CYJ

          “Bradish and Rodriguez, statistically, in the 2nd half have been special. Both had rough post season outings.

          Conversely, statistically one of their worst offensive players, Mateo, shows up big time yesterday.

          It’s a funny game.”

          Right

          So, no “the analytics” don’t always see (small sample) stuff coming. But, neither do the blowhards saying that analytics “don’t tell you anything” and that “your own eyes do”.

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        • C Yards Jeff

          2 years ago

          filihok, point taken somewhat. Disagree that that is a small sample size. But maybe instead of Avenger using the word “anything”, he meant to say “everything”. Avenger, you there?

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        • filihok

          2 years ago

          CYJ

          You can disagree all that you want

          But you’re wrong

          9f course 1 game is a small sample.

          library.fangraphs.com/principles/sample-size/

          “Stabilization” Points for Offense Statistics:

          60 PA: Strikeout rate
          120 PA: Walk rate
          240 PA: HBP rate
          290 PA: Single rate
          1610 PA: XBH rate
          170 PA: HR rate
          910 AB: AVG
          460 PA: OBP
          320 AB: SLG
          160 AB: ISO
          80 BIP: GB rate
          80 BIP: FB rate
          600 BIP: LD rate
          50 FBs: HR per FB
          820 BIP: BABIP

          You can see that nothing there is close to one game.

          One batter having a good (or bad) game is definitely a small sample.

          Maybe you’re taking about the part seasons for the pitchers

          “Stabilization” Points for Pitching Statistics:

          70 BF: Strikeout rate
          170 BF: Walk rate
          640 BF: HBP rate
          670 BF: Single rate
          1450 BF: XBH rate
          1320 BF: HR rate
          630 BF: AVG
          540 BF: OBP
          550 AB: SLG
          630 AB: ISO
          70 BIP: GB rate
          70 BIP: FB rate
          650 BIP: LD rate
          400 FB: HR per FB
          2000 BIP: BABIP

          Again, most of the sample sizes are well larger than half a season

          If you have some evidence to support your assertion, please present it

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        • C Yards Jeff

          2 years ago

          @filihok; thanks for the data. I’m chewing on it. Cheers!

          All said; I like what Avenger said when he said “your own eyes do. . For me, sitting in the center field bleachers at OPACY and watching Mullins first step to a ball never gets old.

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        • filihok

          2 years ago

          CYJ

          Still think recognizing that avenger was a blowhard was harsh?

          Not a peep out of them.

          Do you think they would have commented if they had been right and the Orioles had come back

          Yeah. Blowhard.

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  5. In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani

    2 years ago

    Nope. Evan Carter disagrees.

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  6. Let’s Go O’s

    2 years ago

    The future is bright! The club still views DL Hall as a SP, Tyler Wells was the team’s best SP in the first half until he ran out of gas, and there’s a couple prospects starting to knock on the door

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    • Blue Baron

      2 years ago

      Doesn’t look all that bright today, does it?

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      • KingOmar

        2 years ago

        Insufferable, immature, antagonistic, and pathetic comment.

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        • Blue Baron

          2 years ago

          Gratuitous personal attack.

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        • KingOmar

          2 years ago

          You deserve it.

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      • King Floch

        2 years ago

        Yeah, they better blow it up and trade Adley, Gunnar, and Grayson off for whatever they can get.
        And fire Mike Elias of course, since the rebuild has clearly failed.

        (lol)

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        • Blue Baron

          2 years ago

          LOL

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  7. Ma4170

    2 years ago

    Ive been a grayson fan for a couple of years and glad to see him turn it around. Bradish looks to be legitimate. But at this moment i dont see that top 3 keeping a strong offense in check in the playoffs. We’ll see

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    • Blue Baron

      2 years ago

      The only thing he turned around today was his head to watch the six hits and five runs he gave up in 1.2 innings.

      Wait ‘til next year, Baltimore.

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      • KingOmar

        2 years ago

        Troll. Shame on you.

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        • King Floch

          2 years ago

          Simple minds are amused by simple things 😉

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        • Blue Baron

          2 years ago

          @KingOmar: Sarcasm, apparently beyond your comprehension.

          And another in your series of gratuitous personal attacks.

          Shame on you.

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        • KingOmar

          2 years ago

          You deserve it, arrogant troll

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  8. aragon

    2 years ago

    Go underdog!

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    • Blue Baron

      2 years ago

      They’re the top seed in the AL, not an underdog.

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      • KingOmar

        2 years ago

        The odds gave Texas the edge, so yes the O’s are the underdog. For how cocky you are, you sure aren’t knowledgeable.

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        • Blue Baron

          2 years ago

          Odds are a sports book device to balance wagers on both sides, not the actual chances of each team winning.

          But that was a gratuitous personal attack, so you automatically lose the argument anyway.

          If you would like to re-offer your argument without the personal comment, then you might convince me of something.

          Otherwise, thanks for the discussion, and I will take my win and go home.

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        • KingOmar

          2 years ago

          HA! You are factually incorrect and that’s how you handle it… thinking you win by default just because I described you correctly?

          Troll

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        • Blue Baron

          2 years ago

          More because you appear to be full of hostility and are unable or unwilling to debate without being a bully.

          But fine. If you don’t think that personal attacks and juvenile name-calling mean an automatic loss, what rule do you suggest instead? Why would that be better?

          If you can supply a better rule, we’ll use that, otherwise, we’ll stick with what we have and your losing streak continues intact.

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        • Ban Jacob Nix. He knew Lindsey Hill was lying.

          2 years ago

          Hey wasnt Omar the guy saying Orioles didnt need starting pitching cause they were so good? What do you know. Volatile Orioles pitching has cost them 2 games and they’re down 0-2 facing elimination heading back to Texas. Almost like their sporadic and unpredictable starting pitching has done exactly what most people knew it would do. Humble pie time.

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        • CityofChampions

          2 years ago

          O’s are a year too early. I cautioned my fellow O’s fans to tone it down.

          Baker should’ve never been on this roster. Awful decision to whoever made that call. Should’ve been Mike Baumann. Baker hasn’t thrown meaningful innings for us in months.

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  9. DarkSide830

    2 years ago

    Saying this after yesterday is interesting.

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    • Hemlock

      2 years ago

      Posting this article today is…unfortunate.

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  10. Slider_withcheese

    2 years ago

    These days you need at least 6 starters or a deep enough positional prospect system to make a move when two go on the IL and inevitably need TJ.

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  11. Jack5102

    2 years ago

    The Oriioles just got outplayed and outcoached in Game 1….

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    • scruffmcgruff

      2 years ago

      Yeah I’m not sure what the deal with the attempt at a stolen base was about there in the ninth. You had to have known that Texas was going to be keeping an eye out for that in the situation.

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  12. cpdpoet

    2 years ago

    Wow, Kyle Gibson has basically taken the ball every 5th day for 10 years?
    No he’s not a 1 or 2, but that is some solid career.
    -a phillies fan

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  13. SODOMOJO

    2 years ago

    Great read guys

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  14. Dalman21

    2 years ago

    Any thoughts on Tyler Wells as a rotation option for next year? He was literally one of the best starters in the AL in the first half before dropping off a cliff and he is looking great in relief since his return. While his issues in July-August were troubling, it seems a bit early to decide he is a middle reliever going forward.

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    • Big whiffa

      2 years ago

      He was projected to run out of gas. He’s never sniffed 200 innings. But yeah he’s under contract going into his first arb season so I’m sure the O’s will be looking to wear him out again next year. He will project to produce demising returns due to age and coming off that career year.

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      • Blue Baron

        2 years ago

        Demising returns? He also might produce DIMINISHING returns.

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        • Ignorant Son-of-a-b

          2 years ago

          Blue Baron can’t help it; he is an editor and writer. Nothing personal.

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  15. scruffmcgruff

    2 years ago

    O’s still have plenty of young talent still in the pipeline too. But it is good to see guys improve over the course of the season and put together consistent performances every year. Definitely a breath of fresh air from the past years where we might have one super talented starting pitcher and the rest of them are the omar daals and Sidney Ponsons of the world lol

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    • Ignorant Son-of-a-b

      2 years ago

      I think I have about thirty Sidney Ponson Donruss Rookie Cards…I am willing to sell them to you for a fair, appropriate, mutually beneficial price. Slide into my DM’s if interested.

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  16. BaseballClassic1985

    2 years ago

    Wow, all the algebra and equations from the Ivy League brigade and they were only 25 wins off for the 2023 Orioles! No way! I’m attacked constantly on here and told, “You just don’t understand the math!” Yep, I sure don’t, and neither do you, nor the staff here, nor any GM. Nice scam the abacus crew is pulling on MLB, tho!

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    • Blue Baron

      2 years ago

      Scam is a very loaded, strong word.

      You sound jealous of those who attended elite colleges.

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      • BaseballClassic1985

        2 years ago

        Oh yes, I’m extremely jealous of those who attended “elite” colleges. Like the Harvard Law graduate who used to write for this site. I can’t recall his name, but I do remember reading he runs a sporting goods store now. Money well spent lol

        Same for you with your gold coin membership to be an “insider” here. Spending money on a site where no writer is allowed any originality. Every single article is written using a template of the same old banal sabermetric stats. But hey, to each his own.

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        • Blue Baron

          2 years ago

          Too bad you disapprove of how I spend my money.

          Sorry for your anger and hostility.

          Maybe a nice glass of warm milk will make you feel better.

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        • BaseballClassic1985

          2 years ago

          I’m sorry you were beat up your entire life and now take out your inferiority complex against people on the internet. Textbook definition of a troll

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    • Samuel

      2 years ago

      BaseballClassic1985;

      Projections for both baseball teams and individual players have been so far off each year by the analytical sites that have sprung up in the Internet age, that it’s gotten comical. Nevertheless, those that think MLB is rotisserie baseball love to quote them every Spring.

      What really kills their credibility is this….

      The entire concept of statistical analysis in a Quality Management framework is knowing that when it starts, projections are going to be off. But periodically – monthly, quarterly, bi-annually, annually – there should be a Quality Control function that analyzes what projections were off and why, then works with the people writing the algorithms to adjust them to make the projections more accurate. It’s a long-term process, with the goal to get more sophisticated and more accurate over time – knowing that it’s not a linear process and some adjustments might make results worse, but further modifications over a period of time should show the trend getting better.

      The above paragraph illustrates the problem. Come Spring baseball projections are quoted. At the end of every year writers on the Internet cherry pick some that were better or worse then projected. The problem is that that the projections have been going on for decades and have not gotten better so they have no credibility whatsoever. So why are people using them as some sort of benchmark? LOL

      And the evaluation of Catchers is absurd. There’s an article here today about a Catcher discussing his offensive stats and coming to a conclusion about his season. That’s absurd. The Catcher is the most important player on a baseball team. What he hits has next to nothing at all to do with his value or lack thereof. Last year the Astros won the WS. Their Catcher – Martín Maldonado – had a slash of: .186 /. 248 / .352 / .600 for the season, with an OPS of 70. Yet if you ask the Astros FO people, manager/coaches, broadcasters, media people, and fans they’ll all tell you that Maldonado was one of the 3 Most Valuable players on that championship team….if not THE most valuable.

      Teams keep internal statistics as they have in-house staffs. Those systems are expensive to develop and maintain, proprietary, ever-evolving, and vary from team to team. Some are better than others. The public statistics that are available are just to BS about – they have no real value.

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      • BaseballClassic1985

        2 years ago

        That was very eloquent, Samuel. I appreciate the response.

        What irks me the most about analytics is all the media talking heads and readers on sites like this one just automatically assuming that these stats have any real meaning in baseball. From my perspective, analytics has sterilized the game by turning it into a “who has the best statcast numbers” snorefest.

        Just because someone went to an Ivy League school and majored in mathematics doesn’t mean they’re eminently qualified to judge baseball talent and effectively evaluate players.

        Brian Cashman has made a lot of disastrous moves the past few years taking advice from the conglomerate of mathletes he’s hired because he was told that the “numbers” predicted future production…even from players clearly on the downside of their careers. It’s just the blind assumption that because these evaluators conjured up equations and mathematical tools (that no one understands but them) that they aren’t to be questioned. It’s laughable.

        Having experienced baseball people evaluate players using their eyes is not perfect, and neither are analytics/sabermetrics.

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        • Jack Dawkins

          2 years ago

          Mathletes. I really got a chuckle over that. Nice nickname for the analytic people.

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  17. miltpappas

    2 years ago

    Rotations are overrated. They aren’t what they were 30 years ago or even 10 years ago. If you have enough decent arms in the pen, you can win.

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  18. AM21

    2 years ago

    Is this a news piece or an editorial?

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    • Farian

      2 years ago

      It’s a puff piece. They’re trying to be Fangraphs.

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  19. Rocker49

    2 years ago

    This post was straight trash, and aged just like it should. Whoever thinks the O’s have pitching doesn’t know baseball.

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    • KingOmar

      2 years ago

      O’s pitching was fine all year.

      Looks like you don’t know baseball.

      But G-Rod choked today, no doubt.

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      • Blue Baron

        2 years ago

        Another of your gratuitous personal attacks, not all reserved for me.

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        • KingOmar

          2 years ago

          I don’t discriminate- all idiots are treated the same

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        • Blue Baron

          2 years ago

          Once again, unable to debate without being a bully.

          How pathetically lame.

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      • User 781115931

        2 years ago

        They are who we thought they were

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      • Ban Jacob Nix. He knew Lindsey Hill was lying.

        2 years ago

        No it wasn’t Omar. It was sporadic and unpredictable especially towards end of the regular season. Guys would either pitch like an ace or get hammered and were extremely hit-able. You were told this, chose not to believe it like a homer, and you’re seeing it happen in the playoffs.

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  20. Ignorant Son-of-a-b

    2 years ago

    So if the Orioles, Braves, and Dodgers all get booted out in the Divisional round, are we going to have to hear from their fans all off-season long about how the playoffs are a random crap-shoot unfair process that is totally illegitimate blah blah blah ??? Heard enough of that whining & coping after last year.

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  21. tuck 2

    2 years ago

    Not really the place for this but how does Hyde bring Baker into todays game. He was horrible all year and his ERA in AAA was almost 7. Last minute edition to the roster when Means came down w a sore Elbow. Game was 5-2 in the 4th – very winnable – and he walks the bases loaded. Then Hyde goes to Webb AGAIN – man he loves that guy – and those 3 walks are the difference in the game. How does he not bring in the veteran Flaherty at that time?

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  22. Doug

    2 years ago

    O’s are not going anywhere with that starting rotation.

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    • YankeesBleacherCreature

      2 years ago

      I guess winning 101 games in the toughest division in the AL with a $71MM payroll doesn’t mean much these days.

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      • Dumpster Divin Theo

        2 years ago

        Toughest division that’s a perfect 0 for 6

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    • tuck 2

      2 years ago

      Did you actually read the piece? Yea Grayson struggled today – happens to great pitchers all the time – happened Saturday night in LA. Bradish was the best pitcher in baseball in the second half and Rodriquez in the top 5. Everyone has to stop reading the April narrative.

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      • Ban Jacob Nix. He knew Lindsey Hill was lying.

        2 years ago

        Problem with the O’s pitching is consistency. Outside of Bradish the Orioles starters either pitched well or were hittable, couldn’t go 6+, gave up runs, etc etc etc.

        Grayson had a few outings prior to the post season where he struggled. August 22nd, September 10. September 22nd.

        Heading into the post season with a pitching staff (starters) that was as volatile and unpredictable as the Orioles was a risky move.

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  23. sophiethegreatdane

    2 years ago

    Really?

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  24. Domingo111

    2 years ago

    I think the Os rotation is solid and they have good depth but the quality is lacking a bit. Lots of 4-5 starter types but apart from brandish and Rodriguez it is more mediocre guys.

    Os are 7th in the AL in k-bb% and 8th in ERA-, so it is not terrible but not great either.

    I also see some regression coming. Brandish is a good pitcher but the fastball isn’t really good and he relies a lot on the slider, if that gets laid off more he could be in trouble.

    I think they should make a big trade in the winter to trade for a front line starter with multiple years of control.

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  25. Thornton Mellon

    2 years ago

    Man what a bad time for Bradish and Gray Rod to run out of gas…both are well above career innings highs for the year. 8 runs scored should have done it Sunday and they needed more runs Saturday. Do or die time Tuesday.

    As for the article…
    Certainly the future looks bright for both Bradish and Gray Rod who put together two of the top 2nd halves of the season in all the AL (and Bradish was above average most of the rest of the season too). I think after another half season of sub 3 ERA and similar dominance even the most conservative would have to say they’ve established themselves as top end level starters. Guys who are a #2 at minimum in any rotation in MLB. The league will make adjustments to them though so they will need to continue to evolve.

    Wells? This is where analytics really help. He has an average to worse than average hard hit ball % even with the 1.0 WHIP. He gives up HR and fly balls. I see a guy who gets by on getting a lot of them hit hard to one of the league’s best defenses. Sorry, this is Jeff Ballard all over again. Once the league figured Ballard out it was all over. I don’t think Wells has a place in a competent rotation of the future.

    As for Means, he doesn’t overpower either but he just gets outs. So did Jamie Moyer and that’s who Means keeps reminding me of. Nothing wrong with this guy in the middle of your rotation.

    If Kremer or someone likes him emerges as an average or so pitcher, great! That’s fine to have on the back end of your rotation and a fine upgrade to a guy like Gibson being at the back end. But the Orioles would do well to solidify the top half of the rotation with an established guy with multiple years of control. Doesn’t even necessarily have to be better than Bradish and Gray Rod, but a low 3 ERA guy or so.

    The Orioles can always find cheap and effective bullpen arms.

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  26. Blue Baron

    2 years ago

    Interesting piece on Dean Kremer and Israel.

    nypost.com/2023/10/09/orioles-dean-kremer-thinking…

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  27. Farian

    2 years ago

    This looks like it belongs on an Orioles fan blog. It’s written pretty amateurishly too.

    Can’t stand these articles from MLBTR. There is nothing here about transactional news, which is what this site is for. They’re trying to be Fangraphs and failing miserably because their “statistical analysis” is lacking big time. This article is so shallow and short.

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