The Dodgers and White Sox have discussed the possibility of Dylan Cease heading to Los Angeles, according to USA Today’s Bob Nightengale. There isn’t any indication that a trade is particularly close, or whether or not this was a due diligence inquiry from the Dodgers given the club’s obvious need for pitching.
While the White Sox aren’t exactly rebuilding, new GM Chris Getz has directly said that he is open to trade offers as the Sox look for ways to address their many needs. Thursday’s trade of Aaron Bummer to the Braves saw Chicago pick up at least starting middle infielder (Nicky Lopez) and perhaps two (Michael Soroka, Jared Shuster) new arms for the starting rotation, bringing some depth onto a depleted roster.
Apart from trading Luis Robert Jr., dealing Cease would be the biggest move the White Sox could make to quickly add a lot more talent to the organization. MLBTR’s Nick Deeds recently explored Cease’s trade market, citing 14 teams that make sense as trade suitors given Cease’s past quality and his relatively inexpensive price tag over two remaining arbitration-eligible seasons. Cease is projected for an $8.8MM salary in 2024, so even if a big performance next year raises his 2025 salary significantly, that still adds up to two seasons of front-of-the-rotation pitching for around $22MM.
Over three full seasons as a starter, Cease was solid in 2021, outstanding in 2022, and then fairly ordinary last year, struggling to a 4.58 ERA over 177 innings. A 4.10 SIERA is a little more flattering, as Cease’s .330 BABIP and 69.4% strand rate certainly contributed to his issues, plus it is fair to wonder if he was affected by the overall malaise of the Southsiders’ disastrous 101-loss season. Cease’s subpar walk rates and his tendency (apart from in 2022) to surrender hard contact are red flags, but there’s still a lot to like about the right-hander as he enters his age-28 season.
From the Dodgers’ perspective, Cease represents a much surer thing than most every other pitcher in their projected 2024 rotation. Walker Buehler returns from a 2023 season entirely lost to Tommy John surgery, Dustin May will miss at least the first half of 2024 due to flexor tendon surgery, and swingman Ryan Yarbrough is the only other experienced arm within a pitching mix that includes a lot of rookies and second-year pitchers. Bobby Miller has claim on one rotation spot behind Buehler, but Ryan Pepiot, Emmet Sheehan, Michael Grove and Gavin Stone are all varying degrees of question marks.
Trading from this pitching depth might be a risk for Los Angeles, given all the uncertainty about their rotation. However, on paper, this is still a good crop of young arms that would be attractive to other teams, particularly a club like the White Sox in need of controllable pitching. Speculatively, one would imagine Miller is off-limits for the Dodgers in trade talks, but moving one or even two of the other pitchers might be feasible for a Los Angeles club that clearly wants to win now. Or, L.A. might try to tempt the Sox with some of its many quality position players in the minors — top prospects Dalton Rushing and Diego Cartaya might have particular appeal to Chicago since the Sox are very thin in the catching ranks.
Dodgers would be interested.
What makes you think that the Dodgers would be interested in Dylan Cease?
They’re just always looking for pitching
Well until I see an MLB Trade Rumors article saying they’re interested I won’t believe they are.
It has to be co-written by every writer on the staff and signed by Tim D at the bottom!
Name a team that isn’t always looking for pitching. I’ll wait.
Pirates, Mariners, Miami, As
lmaooo pirates only ever looking to dump starting pitching
You mean teams that are looking for nothing because they aren’t planning on being actually competitive? Okay, I guess that’s an argument of some kind.
as a non-bias opinion, I’d like Cease to go to the Braves because he could really increase the mustache potential of that org to be potentially one of the tops all time.
Dodgers never Cease to amaze me.
He might have an Andrew Heaney and Tyler Chatwood type of resurgence
Angels legend Tyler Chatwood Anderson
Cora could manage the Red Sox
(Record scratch)
I like the fit here. We were discussing this last night and I think the 2 teams line up pretty well.
These teams line up too well, says one Trayce Thompson.
Deep farm system and deep pockets. Matches up well with anyone they want to match up with. Sox need a lot of help so it makes perfect sense.
Their farm is incredibly overrated. Way too much hype.
Pederson, Bellinger, Seager, Verdugo, Urias, Buehler, Smith, May, Gonsolin, Lux, Miller, Outman disagree with you.
@HHBruin, I think you just made @Neon Cop’s point.
Exactly — Seager is the only hit. The rest are either mediocre, domestic abusers, or chronically injured. Classy gang.
@Neon Cop its not like Bellinger has won an MVP or anything
@LFGMets, he did. Have you seen his stats since? A .724 OPS and 95 OPS+ tell us he’s been below average since winning that MVP.
that award was most likely the product of sign stealing
So “neon cop” who’s farm system is better?
joc has been solid in his career
bellinger ex mvp seems to have found his stride again
seager WS MVP
verdugo has been a solid everyday player
urias when healthy cy young caliber
buehler when healthy cy young caliber
Smith top 3 catcher in MLB
list goes on these are facts, yes there farm is legit
I have to disagree while all not top quality players the way the Dodgers developed all of those guys while turning around Muncy, Heaney, Anderson and so on in that short of a time period is amazing. They know how to develop a player.
Outman – 112 OPS+ 3.3 rwar 151 games
Buehler – career 136 ERA+ 3.26 fip up untill surgery he was reliably on the field
Smith – .840 Career OPS as a catcher, has caught at least 125 games a season since 2021
Bellinger – ROTY and MVP awards, had a bounce back season last year. Solid defensively in the outfield or first base.
Pederson – 116 OPS+ in 8 seasons at the major league level.
Yeah, the Dodgers sure are struggling!
whose*
With the emphasis on the deep pockets. Rich get richer, on and on it goes
I bet the Dodgers give them one of their catching prospects for Cease and call it a day. Maybe a lower level minors pitcher too as a cherry on top.
I’d love to take that bet
What kinda deal are you thinkin Chopper? You think they give up more for him?? Throw out an example
While Mark is right that the Sox are thin in the catching ranks, it’s not an especially earth-shattering observation because they’re thin everywhere. And they are less thin there than they were 4 months ago after acquiring two catching prospects (1 of which is a top 100 prospect set to start at AAA, the other currently projected to start opening day for the Sox). Factor in the fact that they tried and very well likely are still trying to acquire Sal Perez due to both their affinity for Royals and to help their clubhouse problems, moving a cost-controlled starter who is 1 year removed from a 2nd place Cy young vote for another catcher further away doesn’t add up. Reinsdorf stated he doesn’t want another rebuild. Likely targets would be guys knocking on the door or already having mlb experience.
Some combination of Michael Busch / Andy Pages / Sheehan / knack/ stone / lux makes more sense.
Regardless of anything, none of it matters until Reinsdorf is out and a new owner takes over with his own front office, scouting, and development. I feel bad for whoever the Sox acquire in a would-be trade. Maybe the dodgers can resign trayce Thompson and the Sox can acquire him for a 7th time
I don’t think dodgers trade Sheehan, I think he is in the rotation, stone and combination of Vargas or Busch plus a couple lower level guys is were it would start. I’m wondering what it would take to get a deal done that includes cease and Robert?
Smooth, the package you just laid out includes Robert. Stone,Busch,Rushing. Done and done!
Not close for Robert. Knowing the SOX front office, Robert would not be moved for less than three top 50 prospects, with one of them a cannot miss, like Salas or Skenes, which isn’t going to happen. They’ll wait until they can get a an absolute haul.
Sheehan has a high strikeout rate and is a good bet to put up rates similar to Cease’s 2023 numbers without paying him big dollars or surrendering talent for him. His innings will not be as high, though…
Not in a million years are you getting Cease for a minor league catcher and a lower level minor league pitcher.
According to Mark P I could be close..
Dylan Cease’s mustache is better than Strider’s
7:34 You’re Chris Getz. Who are you realistically getting back for Cease in a trade with LAD?
Mark P
7:36 One of Rushing/Cartaya makes sense, as I noted in the post. Having two quality catching prospects makes it likelier that LA might be willing to move one, plus obviously Will Smith is behind the plate through at least 2025.
One of Rushing/Cartaya, one of the non-Miller young pitchers, and maybe one more significant piece?
Im thinking Busch, a pitcher, maybe sheehan and a minor league outfiielder
Sub,
“one of the non-Miller young pitchers” isn’t a trivial detail to leave out in the difference between your proposal and Mark’s.
Didn’t try to omit any differences. Mark was getting a little generous. They arent going to give up a pitcher who could potentially help them next season.
@subatomicbunt, hoping for a big trade between Dodgers and White Sox. My proposal is Dodgers get Dylan Cease & Luis Robert Jr.
White Sox get Michael Busch, Andy Pages Michael Grove, Hunter Feduccia, & Peyton Martin.
I would sign off on that!
not sure whom Peyton Martin is, but this doesn’t sound like a bad trade. but I bet they want cartaya or Dalton instead of feduccia
If Dodgers fans are happy with a trade proposal here, it’s certainly not enough. Getting significant talent requires giving up significant talent.
Dodgers will take white sox to the cleaners in a deal. Best stay well away
LMAO!!!
Pun intended?
After Power Rangers “In Space” it all went downhill. “Lost Galaxy” could never cut it. Lost Galaxy theme was cool though..
I respect your opinion, but if thats the case i.m calling the Orioles
Nightengale said it so tomorrow it will come out that Cease was traded elsewhere and the Dodgers were never interested.
I can’t think of a less reliable rumors source that that schmuck.
Nightingale is generally clued in when it comes to White Sox information.
A few months ago I said that I could not find one and challenged people here to find a single time where a Nightengale rumor of a trade or signing came to pass. Crickets.
There is a first time for everything, so its possible the Dodgers are interested in Cease, but if Nightengale is the one spreading the rumor I would not count on it being real.
That usually comes out of the Cardinals FO.
Cease with these spurious rumors.
Next we’ll see someone else is “in on” him.
“Every team interested in many players.”
It not only Bob Nightengale who Is Jerry Reinsdorf mouth piece.
But Jerry Reinsdorf other lap dog Bruce Levine had same story yesterday
So when trade does not happen both Schmuck can pen a story that White Sox got a better deal from someone else. Nice way to cover up bad reporting
I didn’t see where Levine said anything about Cease yesterday, not even on the radio.
Here is his twitter feed. twitter.com/MLBBruceLevine Can you point out where he talked about Cease?
He did talk about Eloy Jimenez, just not Cease.
You think Reinsdorf is smart enough to have a mouth piece? Lol
Or it’s just how it went down. It’s ok to report a team is interested and then have it go another way. Its not bad reporting. Interest not turning into a result happens with every FA that has more than one suitor.
Or Nightengale lied to get you to talk about it and click on his article. When he proves to be wrong about those rumors pretty close to 100% of the time and most of the time the teams later say they were never in on those players, then its bad reporting.
Cease to Dodgers? Sure, and then he decides he’s rather pitch for Detroit. Then the Dodgers pivot and sign Lance Lynn like they did Syndergarbage last year.
Lynn was supposed to get molded into his old self in LA =[
By waiting until the trade deadline instead of loading up in the off season the trade for Lynn was a a net negative for the Dodger’s playoff chances. I suspect they were too preoccupied with the Bauer crap.
Dodgers are interested, but I bet they’ve received calls from half a dozen other teams on him. As for Cartaya and Rushing, I’d pass. Cartaya’s shine is almost all gone and I’d value pitching much higher than catching.
I’m guessing something happens during the winter meetings, which ironically technically take place in the fall.
The Winter Meetings take place in the fall for all the astronomical season lovers.
I side with meteorologists and climatologists and prefer meteorological seasons. Those seasons are broken down into groupings of three months based on the annual temperature cycle as well as our calendar. Meteorologically speaking, fall is September, October and November. Winter is December, January and February. 🙂
ASaps
“The Winter Meetings take place in the fall for all the astronomical season lovers.”
I think it’s important to remember different words have different meanings depending on context
“Theory” being an obvious example.
Different parts of the world have very different weather during the same month. And, to me, it’s a bit ludicrous to, say, have two neighbors be in different seasons because the equator happens to be between their houses.
Note: if this isn’t possible, feel free to explain why.
Also the sky is blue and Earth is the third planet from the sun.
Fake news, I wont believe the planet order until I can go see it with my own eyes.
@case… Duh! Don’t you know you can’t trust your eyes!!! We need to wait for Tango or James to come up with a stat so we can know for sure.
How many wins above replacement does Mercury have?
Idk, but it’s been red hot for a while.
The White Sox have to get a pitcher in the trade package for Cease. One of Grove, Stone, Pepiot or Sheehan would need to be include in the deal. I know the White Sox have been a bit of a train wreck of an organization, but it makes no sense for the them to trade their biggest pitching trade chip without getting an arm in return.
White Sox seem more interested in quantity than quality. Just look at the Bummer trade. They took all of the Braves garbage.
LOL
Bummer was garbage last year as well. That was garbage for garbage
They were thinking of releasing him last year. Im calling that a win. Hes been terrible.
damn lol
How about Sheehan, Michael Bush and maybe an outfielder in the minors?
Based on the market and Cease’s low cost for two years, I would imagine the SOX would need to get two of Stone, Pepiot, Sheehan, Grove, plus two wildcard teens. Baltimore could likely beat anyone’s offer were they to package Kjerstad & Grayson, so LAD will have to pay to trump them.
rf
“Based on the market and Cease’s low cost for two years, I would imagine the SOX would need to get two of Stone, Pepiot, Sheehan, Grove, plus two wildcard teens. Baltimore could likely beat anyone’s offer were they to package Kjerstad & Grayson, so LAD will have to pay to trump them.”
One of these things is NOT like the other
BTV has Cease’s value at $45 million
The Dodgers’ young pitchers are mostly between $10 and $20 million.
Grayson Rodriguez they have at $48 million and Kjerstad is at $16 million
So, yes, the Orioles offer would blow the Dodgers’ out of the water. But, they (with near certainty) aren’t offering that
BTW is generally wrong. Prospects have roughly 20% of the value that BTV assigns to them.
oilf
”
BTW is generally wrong. Prospects have roughly 20% of the value that BTV assigns to them.”
Will you be the one to present your evidence?
Lets start with 17% of all top 100 prospects ever become a 2.0 WAR player in the majors. Less than 1 in 5. Those top 100 prospects have less than 3% chance of having even one 4.0 WAR season.
Of those Dodger pitchers named, Stone, Pepiot, Sheehan, and Grove, only Stone was top 100. The others have even less chance of being even a 2.0 WAR player.
So Stone has roughly a 20% chance of providing $18 million in value. He has about a 3% chance of providing $36 million in value.
Cease has averaged 3.9 WAR over the past 3 years or roughly $36 million in value so combined with his age still be in the peak range for pitchers, his projected value for the 2 years of team control whomever he plays for going forward is around $72 million.
As I said, BTV is normally wrong.
oilf
Sincerely, I appreciate the effort.
Let’s look at it closer so we can learn
Let’s start here
“Cease has averaged 3.9 WAR over the past 3 years or roughly $36 million in value so combined with his age still be in the peak range for pitchers, his projected value for the 2 years of team control whomever he plays for going forward is around $72 million”
BTV currently has Cease’s expected on field value for the next two seasons at $67 million. Which. I feel comfortable saying is “around 72 million”.
So, that seems to be a point in BTV’s favor.
Moving on
“Lets start with 17% of all top 100 prospects ever become a 2.0 WAR player in the majors. Less than 1 in 5. Those top 100 prospects have less than 3% chance of having even one 4.0 WAR season.”
Can you provide some clarification on this, preferably with a citation.
When you say that 17% of top 100 prospects become a 2.0 WAR player, do you mean 83% provide less than 2.0 WAR in their career?
Next
“So Stone has roughly a 20% chance of providing $18 million in value.”
This is just not correct, I don’t believe. It MAY be correct to say that Stone has roughly an 80% chance of providing less than $18 million in value, but that’s not the same as what you said.
You should have said, if I’m understanding your 17% figure correctly, is that Stone has roughly a 20% chance of providing AT LEAST $18 million in value.
That’s because of the prospects who do post 2.0 WAR, some go on to produce 10 or 20 or 100 WAR.
So, if we took your statement, that Stone had a 1 in 5 chance of producing $18 million in value, we’d get an expected value of about($18/5) $3.6 million for him
But, since some players vastly exceed that number, we can’t limit our expectation to just $18 million in value.
Similarly,
“He has about a 3% chance of providing $36 million in value.”
This is incorrect.
This came from the 3% chance of a single 4.0 WAR season, correct?
So, there actually a 3% chance of Stone providing $36 million of value in ONE SEASON. Not in his entire career.
A 3% chance of providing $36 million in value for his career, is an expected value of (.03×$36) about $1.1 million.
But, a player who puts up $36 million in value in ine season, is pretty unlike.y to put up $0 value for the rest of their career. So, we know that $1.1 million figure isn’t correct.
Please clarify these numbers and get back to me.
As usual you are wrong or trying to spin. Not even going to take the time needed to show you how wrong. I really have no time anymore for those who are willing to be ignorant. So you are gone. Muted. Into the void.
“websoulsurfer1 min ago
As usual you are wrong or trying to spin. Not even going to take the time needed to show you how wrong. I really have no time anymore for those who are willing to be ignorant. So you are gone. Muted. Into the void.”
Starting to think that everyone saying websoulsurfer and outinleftfield were alts were right.
Also, cognitive dissonance is a hell of a thing. Some people really can’t handle being wrong.
There is no way that Baltimore is including Grayson in a Dylan Cease trade that’s crazy.
I was thinking Stone and Sheehan.
They slot right into ChiSox rotation.
“Dodgers Interested In Trading For Every Single Major Leaguer”
I assume every team is interested in every good player..
I like to think the Os are in on Cease, but he’s probably too costly in prospects. Mayo seems untouchable, not as much as Holliday or Basallo, but highly regarded. I wonder what we can get for Ortiz, Urias, Norby or Mountcastle?
Maybe trade infield glut to SEA for Miller or Gilbert?
Gotta give to get. Odds are no FO is getting fleeced on any deals this offseason, so put forth your best offer or you may lose the prospective trade piece (Cease) to another team.
Ortiz is a real prospect. So is Westburg. Those 2 should be able to net a real starter. The WhiteSox don’t have any realistic LT MIF’s in the system. (Aside from Montgomery but he’s maybe a 3B) Westy could also slide to 3B if Montgomery remains a SS.
This is not the Dodger you are looking for.
Dodgers fan but trying to be fair:
Rushing plus one of Ryan/Hurt/Knack/Bruns plus Kopp
Busch plus Stone
Cease is not worth that off a down season.
I was thinking Sheehan, Bush and an outfieldder in the minors but major league ready?
If the Dodgers end up with Cease, it will be a lot more than you think. SOX are flush with upper minors MIs and lefty bats. Think great OF prospect and several starters in the upper minors.
Dodgers should not do Busch and Sheehan for Cease. I would probably not trade Sheehan straight up for Cease.
I’d like to see the Sox get: Busch, Stone, Vivas, and Payton Martin
And the team bus?
Plus Smitty
The name of the site is MLB Trade Rumors. Sometimes people need to be reminded of that. Heavy on the rumor by the way.
Everyone knows that, but its fun to get in on it. Even if its BS.
To be fair, you wouldn’t have to have any insider information, to confidently report this one.
Anyone REALLY looked at that trade for Bummer?
That’s 3 former still YOUNG first rounders and Nicky Lopez.
They must be bad teammates in the locker rooms, or this trade is the most lopsided November trade in history
The trade for Bummer. You mean Lopez and Soroka who were being non-tendered the following day so had no value, Shuster who after two years of a 4.72 ERA in AAA and worse in the majors is a total bust and would have been in AAA for the 3rd straight year come opening day, Shewmake who is an all gove, no bat player that would never have played another game in Atlanta and a 9th round draft pick this year that had a 6.38 ERA in college.
So basically a bunch of air that was traded for Bummer.
Freddie Mercury had a better ‘stache.
Dylan’s ERA was up and his velocity was down in 2023. It’d be a good time for the Sox to move him while they can still get a bundle for him
the Dodgers are always interested in every pitcher, especially the ones with a future at Firestone.
Where is the notion that the White Sox need a catcher coming from? Top 10 catching prospects, 3 spots behind Rushing and 1 behind Cartaya is Edgar Quero, who they just acquired. They also get a chance to give Korey Lee a full look.
The White Sox need players that don’t have garbage fundamentals on defense or on the basepaths, and who can have a reasonable difference between their batting average and their OBP. The constant parade of below average fundamentals and hitting mechanics from this team for over a decade is tiring.
Also, there is a reason that teams are banging on the door for Sox players, despite over 100 loses last year. The Sox need a complete overhaul from Owner down. Maybe then they might actually develop players instead of watching other teams get the most out of their players, again and again and again.
You are spot on, Quero & Lee were investments that will be given the reigns behind Salvatore Perez, whom in nearly certain they’ll trade for. OF and high upside starter will be their target.
Here’s a trade idea
Dodgers get
Nolan Arenado
Dylan Carlson
Cardinals get
Dustin May
Chris Taylor
Maddux Bruns
Arenado is going nowhere.
I am not saying it’s likely to happen. But assuming the team spends the savings on more pitching I think trading him would make sense.
It would definetly take more than that to get Arenado. Taylor’s contract is awful. A fair trade if you are including Carlson with Arenado would be May, Bush, Miller, Cartaya and Outman. Arenado is on a decent deal and hes still a top 2/3 thirdbaseman. Hes a top 10 players, plus a young outfielder in Carlson (who I don’t think is that good)
LFGM
“It would definetly take more than that to get Arenado. Taylor’s contract is awful. A fair trade if you are including Carlson with Arenado would be May, Bush, Miller, Cartaya and Outman. Arenado is on a decent deal and hes still a top 2/3 thirdbaseman. Hes a top 10 players, plus a young outfielder in Carlson (who I don’t think is that good)”
Well, where to start
One, Arenado is a decent player. He’s also being paid like one which decreases his trade value. BTV has him at about $15 million. A good value, but not worth a ton in trade.
Two. BTV has Taylor at -1 million. Basically even money. So, far from “awful”.
Three. Your trade proposal. Just LOL
As mentioned BTV has Arenado and Car.son at $20 million
Your proposal for the Dodgers is valued at over 7 times that amount. $150 million
This is what happens when the Dunning-Kruger effect is on display in the wild. People who don’t know know they don’t know anything about player valuation, make bad valuations and think they are fair.
@filihok if the Dodgers offered your Joel P’s trade package, Mozeliek would block their number. That website that you are using is terrible, its not real life. Cartaya hit .190 last year, Outman after mid May slumped for the rest of the season, Miller is good but not great, May is always hurt and Bush has done nothing at the major league level. My trade is more than fair. Superstars like Arenado don’t just grow on trees
LFGM
“if the Dodgers offered your Joel P’s trade package, Mozeliek would block their number. That website that you are using is terrible, its not real life. Cartaya hit .190 last year, Outman after mid May slumped for the rest of the season, Miller is good but not great, May is always hurt and Bush has done nothing at the major league level. My trade is more than fair. Superstars like Arenado don’t just grow on trees”
Yawn
Provide your evidence that you’re right and they are wrong
You won’t
You’ll just insist with no evidence whatsoever that you know more than they do, even though it’s obvious that you don’t
If you can, without doing a bit of research, better value players than the BTV guys, why are you wasting your time writing free comments on MLBTR?
Why don’t you start up your own site and get paid to value players?
The BTV guys spend a lot of time coming up with their valuations, you do it immediately. You obviously have a great talent for it.
In fact, since you can, divine player value out of thin air without doing any research or anything, why don’t you work for a team?
Seems like someone would be eager to snap you up. Teams pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to people like the BTV guys, why don’t they hire you instead?
Note: these are not rhetorical questions. I’d love to hear the answers.
LFGM
“Superstars like Arenado don’t just grow on trees”
Players on near market rate contracts do, though.
LFGM
“Outman after mid May slumped for the rest of the season, ”
Let’s play a little game of Does LFGM Have Any Idea wWhat They are Talking About
Outman wRC+ by month
April 165
May 54
June 54
July 155
August 147
September 113
It appears that LFGM DOES NOT know what they are talking about.
Everyone is a winner!
Except LFGM, who is definitely a loser
JP
“Here’s a trade idea
Dodgers get
Nolan Arenado
Dylan Carlson
Cardinals get
Dustin May
Chris Taylor
Maddux Bruns”
This is one of the few somewhat reasonable trade proposals people come up with
BTV has the Dodger package at $17 million and the Cardinals at $20 million
I don’t know about the fit, exactly, but at least it’s not totally ridiculous.
Arenado grew up a Dodgers fan. Pretty sure he’s a fit unless the Dodgers sign Ohtani which is a possibility. The Cardinals have other guys who can play 3b and really need more pitching than the budget will allow at the moment.
arenado is trending down as the older he gets.
smooth
“arenado is trending down as the older he gets”
That’s the way time typically works
Joel P, I would also like to see the Cardinals and Dodgers work out a trade.
Dodgers get Arenado and Tommy Edman.
Cardinals get, Landon Knack, Chris Taylor & Diego Cartaya. If Cardinals agree to pay some of Arenado’s salary, the Dodgers agree to add an additional prospect.
Cardinals have to keep Edman, at least until mid season when Victor Scott will most likely be ready. And while Cartaya is a highly ranked prospect he’s not really what the Cardinals need. The Cardinals need high upside pitching and that’s Bruns and May. Risky high upside pitching.
l9y
“Dodgers get Arenado and Tommy Edman.
Cardinals get, Landon Knack, Chris Taylor & Diego Cartaya”
By far not the worst trade idea I’ve seen here.
Per BTV
The Dodgers are giving up $30 million in value to get $24 million in value. There’s enough wiggle room in the numbers for that to make sense.
I don’t quite know about the fit. I’d rather rhe Dodgers add payroll by adding pitching and Ohtani than Arenado.
Arenado would bump Muncy to DH, which, in a non-Ohtani world would be fine. But, it’s an Ohtani world.
Edman is a fine player who’d solidify the team up the middle. Not sure I fully trust Lux at SS coming back from his injury. So having someone besides Rojas who can play SS would be good.
filihok
I’m playing Dodger P.O.B.O./GM
I’m trying to get Cease & Robert Jr. from the White Sox.
Arenado & Edman from the Cardinals.
Corbin Burnes from the Brewers.
All the while signing Ohtani and one of Yamamoto, Snell or Imanaga as free agents.
And keeping Miller, Buehler, Pepiot, Sheehan, Rushing, Frasso & Phillips. Naturally Betts, Freeman & Smith are untouchable also. I know, a LOT there but, I want to win the World Series!
Go big or go home! Again.
l9y
Let’s see
C Smith
C Barnes
1B Freeman
2B Lux
3B Arenado
SS Edman
IF Rojas
IF Muncy
LF Outman
CF Robert
RF Betts
OF DeLuca?
DH Ohtani
SP Burnes
SP Yamamoto
SP Cease
SP Miller
SP Buehler
I mean, pretty good team
Good luck getting ownership to sign off on the payroll increase.
I’m up to $276 million back of the envelope
filihok;
In my scenario, if Dodgers were to acquire Ohtani, Arenado, Edman & Robert Jr., Muncy, Lux & Taylor become tradable.
Resign Kiki Hernandez. My lineup would have Betts at 2nd, Edman at ss, outfield of Outman, Robert Jr. & Deluca/Heyward.
I like what I heard & saw from Heyward last season.
Braves going to get caese for Grissom since the white Sox already got 5 other ex Braves.
Dodgers trade Rushing, pitching prospects Frasso and Kopp to the Rays for Glasnow and SS prospect Osleivis Basabe. Dodgers get a TOR for at least one year and and a ML ready SS/2nd basman should Lux and Vargas struggle up the middle.
heck no! glasnow is damage goods. he has never pitched a full season. and is going to make 25 mil this upcoming season. that’s the reason why they want to trade him, he is getting more expensive
Really don’t want to see Rushing traded. I think he has more upside than Cartaya.
Pepiot, Vargas & Jang.
Good pitcher, affordable. Would benefit from a good defense behind him. Any contending team would be foolish not to consider acquiring Cease.
The Sox should wait until the top of the free agent market is bare…Nola is no longer, so after Montgomery and Snell sign, Cease should command a very good package
Untouchables for the Dodgers should naturally be, Betts, Freeman & Smith, along with Miller, Buehler, Pepiot, Rushing, Frasso & Phillips.
IMHO.
Reading through these posts maybe the swap should be a 3 team LAD/STL/CWS. maybe something like this feel free change players…
– Arenado to LAD
– Cartaya to STL #56
– Cease to STL
– Busch to CWS #44
– Scott to CWS
– Knack to CWS
not a big fan of this. argument could be made that Cease has only had one good season. for the king’s ransom CWS (and every other team) expect from the Dodgers (and no other team), Cartaya/Rushing+ should get more. Moncada’s not a bad name to throw in there.
I’ll pass on this scenario.
you should pass on cease alone
Cease has had one good season collectively, the Sox will ask a fortune for him, but it will not matter, the Sox could get top prospects (actually they have recently ) and nothing comes of it. Until the Sox have an instructional group that is A+ then anyone they get may be marginal at best, if not ruined. The problem is you have a guy who did a lousy job managing the minor league clubs development for the Sox and that guy is now GM only because the owner knew him by his first name.
Cease to the Dodgers is over like usual. Sox asked for 5 guys and a hot dog vendor. Dodgers wanted to give Austin Barnes and Gonsolin.
But can he hit with RISP in the post season? hehe
I’m guessing Cease will eventually be traded to Arizona. The LAD rumor was likely an attempt to get AZ to meet the SOX’ ask, which was countered by their interest in Burnes.
Supposedly, AZ made the strongest offer for Cease at the deadline, but wouldn’t include who SOX were asking for. AZ is seriously in need of starting pitching and Cease’s high upside & low cost mean he will bring a top prospect plus a couple of lottery ticket, at the least.
Getz will match or exceed Hahn’s return for Sale.
Dylan Cease could be traded to any contender. Last summer’s trade deadline offers aren’t known but likely didn’t include any controllable young players on a contenders active roster.
If prospects were involved, the Dodgers have more top-100 talent (5) than the Diamondbacks (2).
The five elite LA prospects include 2 RHP’s, 2 C’s and a 2B. All are system deficiencies to say nothing of needs on the current White Sox MLB roster.
Arizona’s two top-100 prospects are a SS and CF. Those are positions where the White Sox have their most obvious core building blocks in Colson Montgomery and Luis Robert Jr.