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Blue Jays Made Competitive Offer To Shohei Ohtani

By Mark Polishuk | December 10, 2023 at 9:28pm CDT

Shohei Ohtani’s decision to sign with the Dodgers for a record-breaking ten-year, $700MM deal sent shockwaves around the sports world, though a particularly heavy dose of the impact settled in Toronto.  Blue Jays fans (and possibly the team itself ) spent much of Friday wondering if Ohtani had decided on the Jays as his next destination, and a pair of now-debunked media reports only added to the fever of speculation.

The full story of the Jays’ pursuit of the two-way star might not be known for some time, yet in pure financial terms, it seems as though the club at least came close to the final asking price.  Sportsnet’s Ben Nicholson-Smith hears from a source that the Blue Jays’ offer to Ohtani was “right there,” so it doesn’t appear as though the Dodgers’ $700MM deal was too far removed from what the Jays (or potentially other suitors) put on the table.

Given how Ohtani’s contract is so far beyond the normal stratosphere for baseball contracts or sports contracts in general, it is fair to assume that teams’ approach also differed greatly from a normal free agent courtship.  This was already apparent with the immense level of secrecy requested by Ohtani and his agent Nez Balelo, as every detail (true or exaggerated) that leaked out about Ohtani’s intentions was heavily scrutinized.

As Nicholson-Smith notes, there have already been conspiracy theories launched that Balelo and CAA used the Jays’ interest as a smokescreen to get the Dodgers to up their offer at the last minute since Los Angeles was Ohtani’s preferred choice all along.  Or, perhaps the simplest answer is true — the Blue Jays did enough to make themselves a genuine consideration in the two-time AL MVP’s mind, regardless of where the Dodgers may or may not have ranked for Ohtani heading into the offseason.

Learning that the Jays got within the ballpark of signing Ohtani probably doesn’t ease much or any of the sting for Toronto fans.  The fact that the Blue Jays were willing to spend perhaps upwards of $650MM, $675MM, or whatever the final bid was also doesn’t necessarily mean that the team has that much to spend in general this offseason, considering the special nature of Ohtani’s on-field ability and starpower.

Still, the Jays haven’t been shy about spending over the last few seasons, and the team has also been linked to such major free agents as Yoshinobu Yamamoto, Cody Bellinger, former Jay Matt Chapman, and a host of other players on the free agent and trade markets.  GM Ross Atkins has typically looked to at least check in on just about every notable free agent of the last few years, so this broad strategy could help the Blue Jays make a quick pivot as they explore their backup plans.

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  1. Cknyc

    2 years ago

    the plane to toronto still hasnt landed.

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    • Dread Pirate Roberts

      2 years ago

      It must be in a holding pattern

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    • 99CaptainJudge99

      2 years ago

      Does it really matter now? He was never going.

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      • User 3044878754

        2 years ago

        “ Blue Jays Made Competitive Offer To Shohei Ohtani”

        Yep, and Oswald acted alone.

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        • haighwiser

          2 years ago

          Oh it was because “he really wanted to go to the Dodgers”, it wasn’t the extra $25 to $50 million they were willing to give him. Why do all these sportswriters always give cover to the Yankees and Dodgers? They went there because of money, they could care less if it said Dodgers, Blue Jays, or Angels on the front of their uniform. I can’t blame Ohtani or any other player because 25 to 50 million dollars is huge!

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        • Mrivers

          2 years ago

          And Ruby had no help. But I digress…..
          Jays aren’t far from a WS. Unfortunately, bad FA season for offense.
          They’ve spent well on their pitching. Kudos. Gausman over Ray.

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      • stymeedone

        2 years ago

        At least they aren’t claiming Toronto made a better offer and, out of the goodness in his heart, Ohtani choose the LAD lower offer.

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      • JaysnCards

        2 years ago

        I agree that his true intentions all along were the Dodgers and the Jays only helped him land even more money with the Dodgers

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    • 99CaptainJudge99

      2 years ago

      The plane never left Los Angeles apparently

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    • fivepoundbass

      2 years ago

      Flight 828

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  2. bmcferren

    2 years ago

    Dodgers are cheating

    You cannot defer that money

    Should pay the payroll tax and their rotation should suffer because they invested this way

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    • filihok

      2 years ago

      bmc

      “Dodgers are cheating

      You cannot defer that money”

      I mean, you definitely can defer money, so it’s absolutely not cheating

      Dumb taek.

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      • Jeremy135

        2 years ago

        Not cheating, but I do think this is something the league should change.

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        • CardsFan57

          2 years ago

          Why should the league care? It has no affect on the CBT.

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        • filihok

          2 years ago

          Jeremy

          Why?

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        • RGR

          2 years ago

          Impossible to do now bc the cats out of the hat and lol and behold who’s gonna need to take advantage of this glaring mistake by MLB next? U got it, those same Jays will definitely be offering huge deferrals to Vladdy and Bo whilst simultaneously threatening MLB with a lawsuit if they try to change the rules after allowing this contract thru……..only way to change things now is to void the Dodgers and Ohtani’s contract and i dont see that happening

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        • CardsFan57

          2 years ago

          People! CBT is based on total contract amount/years played under the contract. No one should care how long it takes to pay out the contract. Sour grapes are fine. Must they be irrational sour grapes?

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        • Dodger Dogg

          2 years ago

          Do you all remember when the McCrooks took the Dodgers to near bankruptcy and were forced to sell the team? Thank goodness the Dodgers found new owners with deep pockets and who are focused on making the playoffs every year.

          For the betterment of baseball, perhaps this should happen to more greedy owners who are more interested in filling their own bank accounts rather than fielding a competitive team. Because, we all know, a salary cap in MLB will not happen.

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        • lowtalker1

          2 years ago

          Bc they cared when the padres attempted to do this last offseason

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        • Bostonsportsforlife

          2 years ago

          next big star gets a 10 year, $50M(5 per year) contract. immediately after the 10 years
          are up. retirement and a one year 750M “personal services” contract.

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        • GASoxFan

          2 years ago

          CBT is based on the net present day value of the contract.

          So, let’s do a hypothetical. Say a player signs a 10yr, 100m deal, but, the money is deferred over such a period that the value of the compensation reduced to its present day value is only 50m, then the CBT will tax each year of the deal as 5m in CBT limit.

          So, while we’re talking a 70m/yr salary for ohtani, because that 70m/yr isn’t the present day value, merely the total of payments, the CBT hit will be less.

          That goes against the spirit of what the CBT was designed to discourage.

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        • avenger65

          2 years ago

          Funny, isn’t it, that no one was this upset when judge did the same thing last off-season? The Giants fans, perhaps, but no one was calling for rule changes when he stiffed the Giants and signed a huge contract with his previous team. The most recent rule change was, Ohtani could still stay in the game as a DH even though he got taken out as a pitcher. Yet another rule change by the bonehead in the commissioner’s office.

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        • GASoxFan

          2 years ago

          Did judge defer a reported significant, possibly majority, of his salary a period of years, possibly decades, out?

          That would be the required parallel to be an apples to apples comparison

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        • stymeedone

          2 years ago

          No, the only way to change things now, would be to apply the new rule to every players contract, including Ohtani’s, just like they did when this change in handling deferrals was pased.

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        • stymeedone

          2 years ago

          I thought that, too, but the new union contract now takes the “current” value and discounts the future value of the deferral amounts. So because of the deferrals, the Dodgers won’t get charged the full amount against the CBT. We don’t know how much was deferred, and we don’t know how much of a discount. I’m sure the Nationals would have loved this with Scherzer’s contract.

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        • stymeedone

          2 years ago

          This was a Union negotiated rule change, approved by the owners. This was not instituted by the commissioner.

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        • Tigers3232

          2 years ago

          @GASox, do you know how deferrals work and why they benefit Franchises from a financial standpoint??

          Any $ that is deferred each season most have the principal for the amount anticipated to accrue to value of payment at time of deferral. They save the clubs $ and grant the playerpiwce of mind.

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        • kingbum

          2 years ago

          This isn’t a new phenomenon the Mets are still paying Bobby Bonilla and the Reds are still paying Ken Griffey Jr. Many times money gets deferred to help teams get under the tax number, they call it restructuring. The Dodgers and Ohtani just came out and said they will do what’s best for the team while making sure he gets paid. Teams been doing this since 2000 at least that I know of. It wasn’t out in the open catching headlines like this though, it was swept to the back pages so to speak.

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        • The Saber-toothed Superfife

          2 years ago

          No, the cat is OUT of the bag and INTO the hat.
          AND WHAT A FINE HAT IT IS…..

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        • cuffs2

          2 years ago

          They already have a salary cap. With a luxury tax if you exceed it. Reality is that teams like the Dodgers, Mets and Yankees have so much money to burn that they don’t care. Even with hefty fines to them it’s just the cost of doing business.

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      • Slow day at work

        2 years ago

        @filihok I think the problem is not that they’re deferring money, it’s the amount of money that is being deferred. According to reports, it is more than half of the $700M, which is egregious.

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        • JoeBrady

          2 years ago

          The amount of money deferred is simply whatever the LAD and Ohtani agree to. If Ohtani is okay with the money being spread out over thirty years, or whatever, how is that egregious?

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        • GASoxFan

          2 years ago

          Joe, it’s not about shortchanged the player, it’s the blatant loophole to the entire purpose of the CBT

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    • TigersLoveCinnamon

      2 years ago

      You can and they’ve done it before. What you should have said, is in no way should it be allowed. They’re 100% continuing to circumvent the rules

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    • JackStrawb

      2 years ago

      You can defer paying the money.

      You cannot defer the money for LT purposes to any number of years you desire.

      Recent 10, 12, 13 year deals are pushing it—go beyond those and MLB will decide to compress the total into a more reasonable figure. Blame the Yankees. Their 6 year deal to LeMahieu was an obvious, obvious stretch. No one expects him to still be in the game in Year 7.

      If the Dodgers are paying Ohtani 700m over 20 years, MLB will decide to compress that down to 10 to 13 years for tax purposes.

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      • stymeedone

        2 years ago

        Its in the new Union negotiated contract. Yes, they now discount the deferred amount.

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    • amanateeamongmen

      2 years ago

      Teams have been deferring payroll for at least close to 30 years.

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      • vikingbluejay67

        2 years ago

        Ask Bobby Bonilla and the Mets

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        • Jef Leppard

          2 years ago

          …or Bret Saberhagen, (yup, STILL getting paid by…The Mets.)

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      • bkbk

        2 years ago

        For personal payroll not for league luxury tax stuff. If the league lets them do some funny business it will be travesty.

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    • Mustard Tiger

      2 years ago

      I don’t think “cheating” means what you think it means.

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      • Captain Dunsel

        2 years ago

        Inconceivable!

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        • spudchukar

          2 years ago

          Mostly dead!

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        • bullred

          2 years ago

          He’s gaining on us!

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      • Kevin Illyanovich Rasputin Kubusheskie

        2 years ago

        Yes for cheating, look at the astros. for cirumventing see, mets-bonilla, nats-mets-scherzer just 3 examples of deferred payment

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    • padam

      2 years ago

      Bobby Bonilla has entered the conversation.

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    • CC Ryder

      2 years ago

      We all knew a year ago he was going to be a Dodger. The signs of tampering are overwhelming but Rob Manfred won’t say a thing

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      • avenger65

        2 years ago

        Old guy: Sure he will. “It will now come to pass that the pitcher’s mound will be as flat as the earth and moved back by a distance of no more than ten feet. That will add even more offense to the game as we continue to beg pre-adolescence, 300- pound gamers to put down their phones, play station controllers and Game Boys and come down to the nearest MLB park. We have enough junk food to keep you on oxygen for at least the first five innings, long enough to see the SP removed from the game with a pitch count of 65.”

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    • fre5hwind

      2 years ago

      Go cry to Bobby Bonilla LOL

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    • Yankee Clipper

      2 years ago

      I must admit, I’m confused by the perspective that this is *now* a problem because the LAD acquired Ohtani. Why? Nobody had a problem when the Nats did it repeatedly to afford big contracts; obviously everyone remembered the Mets doing it with Bonilla as well.

      Why is this all the sudden a problem? Let’s be real, if these teams spent $150MM on Ohtani the results would’ve been the same. The cheap owners wouldn’t have bid for Ohtani regardless of how relatively modest his price tag was. It seems that it’s a combination of frustration with one’s own team being inactive/not spending and jealousy of the owners that do. It’s far less frustrating to simply root for a more proactive team/owner, imho.

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      • BLIN7Y

        2 years ago

        The issue is that most had a different understanding of the CBT threshold rules. When reading them it appears the Dodgers should have 70 MM applied to their annual Payroll for 10 years.
        Out of the Blue we find out that somewhere there is a special rule that applies based on the Value of Money in the Future versus its value today.

        The problem with that is, that circumstance applies to all Contracts that pay out over multiple years.

        This quite frankly makes a mockery of the CBT Rules. LA needs to be held to 70 MM AAV on this contract.

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        • Yankee Clipper

          2 years ago

          I get it, but this is not new and doesn’t change the fact that teams have done this multiple times in recent history. So, whether they understood it, or had different expectations of its implementation, doesn’t negate the fact that LAD is not doing anything different or unprecedented.

          In fact, the Nats attempted to do it again with a $440MM offer to Soto, much of which was deferred; and the Jays apparently tried it with Ohtani as well. The outrage is conspicuously directed at the team acquiring the player, not the rule.

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        • Kyatt 2

          2 years ago

          You just said out of the Blue. We’re you born yesterday! This has been going on in baseball for decades. Like someone else mentioned, it’s not cheating at all but should be changed as a rule.

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      • stymeedone

        2 years ago

        Its a rule change from the most recent labor dispute. Its a fairly new rule.

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        • Yankee Clipper

          2 years ago

          Okay, perhaps I did not explain this well, but I’ll try to clarify….

          First: This is not new, it was also the same calculation used for deferrals in previous iterations of the CBA

          Second: The three teams that have used this the MOST are: Orioles, Mets, and Nationals; however, Boston (Manny Ramirez), Seattle (Griffey, among several others), the Royals with George Brett, and on and on.

          Third: The Jays attempted to do the exact same thing for the exact same reasons…

          Finally, given all that information and the precedents that have been set forth for decades, in conjunction with the fact that this has been in previous iterations of the CBA, the outrage is not at the rule, it’s at the team – LAD, and from fans of teams that do this as matter of practice!

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      • TrumboRedux

        2 years ago

        Hey there Lone Ranger!!! Been a while old friend! Hope you are kickin @$$ and takin names as usual Clip!

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        • Yankee Clipper

          2 years ago

          Trumbo! I hope you are well. Missed you on here brother – you disappeared for awhile it seemed. Glad to see you’re around, man.

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        • TrumboRedux

          2 years ago

          I had to go away for some time haha This site wasn’t reciprocating the <3 How are your Yanks looking next season? Are they gonna get Yamamoto??

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        • TrumboRedux

          2 years ago

          P.S. Clip, You ready for the latest Altuve story/sighting? I got a new one for ya..

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        • Yankee Clipper

          2 years ago

          Oh I hear you brother. Yeah, man I believe the Yanks are going to get him. My opinion is that with the Soto acquisition for one year, yanks know this is a “go for it all” year. Plus, rumors abound about Yamamoto wanting to play on “the biggest and brightest stage” in mlb. That usually narrows it down to Yankees or LAD.

          I’m glad you’re doing well, man, I hope your Thanksgiving went well. I’m glad you’re back – we need more like you around here.

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        • TrumboRedux

          2 years ago

          I am doing A OK Clip! Hope your Dec 7th went good as well I know thats a big day for you and your family! You got your wish with 99 and Rodon last year! The Yanks would be a solid landing spot for him and rally the entire fan base. He could take Ohtani’s spot in the rotation on the Halo’s and I might be just as pleased hah. I would think he would want to play with Shohei though perhaps? Does that factor in the equation??

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    • Dodger Dogg

      2 years ago

      Go cry a river.

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    • silhouettesaloon

      2 years ago

      big Nationals fan, I’m guessing?

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      • YankeesBleacherCreature

        2 years ago

        Worse. He’s a Yankees fan. Wait…

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    • Bostonsports85

      2 years ago

      I’m so sick of the BS of teams.like.tgis getting around things … It’s just getting too the point dodgers are the Yankees 2.0

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      • Yankee Clipper

        2 years ago

        But you were okay when Boston deferred almost $100MM of Devers contract for the same reason?

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        • kingbum

          2 years ago

          @Yankee Clipper…..They don’t understand that this is a welcomed practice in all sports. Every team has a tax specialist (NFL and NBA it’s cap specialist but same thing). That specialist tells the GM what they have available for payroll. The GM has a budget sent down by the owner and he’s expected to make magic within that budget. Sometimes they cut players from rosters or trade them to gain payroll flexibility but the most often is they restructure star player contracts. One of the ways to restructure a deal is through deferred payments. Tom Brady is infamous for doing this it’s how the Patriots stayed a dynasty. No doubt Patrick Mahomes will have to do this in Kansas City. In baseball as you stated Devers just did this. All top players with big contracts that care about winning do something like this to help the GM out. It’s in all sports, I really don’t get the outrage, let the accountants do their jobs.

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        • JoeBrady

          2 years ago

          Sale as well.

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    • nukeg

      2 years ago

      Do yourself a favor and Google Bobby Bonilla contract. This is nothing new.

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    • greg1

      2 years ago

      Uh, the Mets are still paying Bonilla $1.19M every July 1st until 2035.

      It’s not illegal.

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      • filihok

        2 years ago

        MLBTR

        “Do yourself a favor and Google Bobby Bonilla contract. This is nothing new.”

        I’m begging you

        Teach your readers something about contracts

        They are clueless

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        • JoeBrady

          2 years ago

          They are clueless
          ======================
          Now that they have been proven hopelessly incorrect, I am looking forward to their response.

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    • JerseyShoreScore

      2 years ago

      Other than being factually false, this is a great point!

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    • aspenner27

      2 years ago

      This is standard practice in the Nationals organization as they defered Scherzer, Zimmerman, Harper and Strasburg long term contracts well into the future and will be getting paid by them for years still.

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    • Sabermetrix

      2 years ago

      Dodgers still haven’t released the details of the contract so now I’m wondering if they beginning to have buyer’s remorse due to the enormous amount of salary that’ll affect their payroll for years to come (it goes without saying that there are no guarantees that Ohtani can even pitch at a high level again after a second TJ surgery). Imagine if the Dodgers ‘fail’ Ohtani’s Physical to get out of the deal, what a crap show that’ll be lol.

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    • bullred

      2 years ago

      Deferring money is not cheating. Teams just don’t have players and agents that are willing to take money down the road. Everyone wants money up front. I can put $100,000 bucks in an investment and give someone $1,000,000 bucks off of the interest. It will take some time but Shohei is willing to wait.

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  3. Jeremy135

    2 years ago

    Good thing he didnt go to Toronto… it would have been bad for baseball! No one good should ever go there according to Jon Heyman,

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    • YankeesBleacherCreature

      2 years ago

      Can’t let Canada win. Go USA!

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      • 99CaptainJudge99

        2 years ago

        I can’t talk about a plane with no wings.

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      • bullred

        2 years ago

        Go Trudeau! I’ve got nothing.

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    • nukeg

      2 years ago

      Toronto, the OC (Angels), etc dodged a bullet. This contract is going to look disgusting in less than 5 years. Sure the Dodgers are going to make money off him just as the Angels did. Got it. Father Time does not negotiate. He’s taken down the greatest players to ever play this game and Shohei is no different. I wish him the best but to expect him to be a two way player into his mid to late 30s when he already had two elbow surgeries is pure insanity.

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      • stymeedone

        2 years ago

        His uniqueness is the international nature of his fan base, more so than his two way ability. At least for his monetary value.

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  4. knolln

    2 years ago

    A ‘competitive’ offer could have well been 1-2 hundred mill or more lower if it didn’t have the kind of deferrals ohtanis arrangement has

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    • filihok

      2 years ago

      RE Knolln

      Yes, that’s what happens with deferred payments,

      The Jay’s, instead of deferring payments could have front loaded rhe contract, say, $100 million for the first 4 seasons and then whatever over the last 6.

      That could have the same Present Value as the Dodgers’ offer, but payout $100 million less.

      It’d have a higher AAV for CBT purposes though, making it harder for TOR to compete,

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      • knolln

        2 years ago

        Yea that’s what I’m saying. Writer kind of assumed competitive meant right there with them dollar wise when he spitballed they were willing to spend 650-675 or something. Could have just as easily been 450-500 with no deferrals. I’d say that would still be competitive

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    • kingbum

      2 years ago

      sportsnet.ca/mlb/article/as-ohtani-fallout-continu…

      They claim it was north of $600 million, very close to the Dodgers final number

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      • filihok

        2 years ago

        kb

        “They claim it was north of $600 million, very close to the Dodgers final number”

        Who are “they” who are making this claim?

        No one. It’s speculation by the author of the article.

        Knolln, who has, at minimum, some understanding of present value, is correct. The offer could have been much different, but still had a similar value.

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  5. DMacNCheez

    2 years ago

    This feels like the Blue Jays saving face by leaking this. I’m sure more will come out about his free agency in the coming months that will be more telling

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    • Jeremy135

      2 years ago

      Saving face? The Jays did nothing wrong this entire time. Nobody should be blaming them for being a finalist for the the best on the planet. I would love to get a behind the scenes story on the final 48 hours of negotiations though

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      • Mustard Tiger

        2 years ago

        They didn’t get their guy. They failed.

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        • Andrew-UK

          2 years ago

          Just like 29 other teams then.

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        • 99CaptainJudge99

          2 years ago

          Not really, one team got Soto instead.

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        • bullred

          2 years ago

          How are Yankees going to win when their pitching is giving up 10 runs a game. Out hit them. Face it Yankees suck.

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    • Cora the Destroya

      2 years ago

      I doubt it. We still don’t know how much the Red Sox truly offered Betts and that was years ago. This will be speculated for years with rumors. The one fact is that the Dodgers signed him.

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  6. 5TUNT1N

    2 years ago

    can’t remember where I heard it, but the number from the jays that was floated was 500 million.

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    • YankeesBleacherCreature

      2 years ago

      That was the speculated starting bid for Ohtani’s camp to pick up the phone.

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      • 99CaptainJudge99

        2 years ago

        Shohei could fall under one of Canada’s Biggest Disappointments.

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        • bullred

          2 years ago

          I take it most Americans aren’t Tools. Just a few.

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        • 99CaptainJudge99

          2 years ago

          No only a real tool would ever think Ohtani was ever really signing in Canada with the Blue Jays. It was never happening.

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        • stymeedone

          2 years ago

          Considering what his market would have become had he played for his third Country, for a media giant, YEAH, there was a very real possibility.

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        • kingbum

          2 years ago

          I think in the long run Ohtani loses money by not signing with the Blue Jays for the exact reason you stated. Become a megastar in 3 countries and have countless of opportunities. I think 2 factors came into play

          1) AL East is very competitive you can have a great roster and still just get 85 to 90 wins and miss the playoffs. Rays and Orioles you can probably pencil them in for at least 90, New York is spending like the Evil Empire is back apparently. There’s no way in hell they traded for Soto without believing they can extend or resign him. Boston has deep pockets and will probably improve too, this means a very tight division next year.

          2) He lives in LA already, and knows the scene. The Dodgers have won 100+ games yet again. San Diego is looking like they want to unload. San Francisco and Arizona are barely .500 ballclubs and Colorado is pretty much hopeless.

          If my goal was to get paid and make the playoffs as things sit today, at worst the Dodgers would be a wild card team (they need starting pitching) I would choose the Dodgers over Toronto. I believe he’s actually losing money by staying in LA. He’d be a megastar in at least 3 countries if he went to Toronto. I actually think he’d get better endorsement opportunities and you’d have Canadians buying up his jersey as well. Clearly he saw LA as the path of least resistance in making the playoffs.

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    • Mustard Tiger

      2 years ago

      500 million Canadian. That was their problem.

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      • 99CaptainJudge99

        2 years ago

        BREAKING NEWS: Ohtani’s planes wheels have been found in Los Angeles.

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      • MotownWings

        2 years ago

        Blue Jays players are paid in USD. You’re welcome for the education.

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        • Slow day at work

          2 years ago

          @MotownWings here you go: dictionary.com/browse/joke

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        • MotownWings

          2 years ago

          With the amount of ignorance on here you can’t make the assumption it was a joke.

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        • bullred

          2 years ago

          So true.

          Reply
  7. Sa63

    2 years ago

    Good for the Blue Jays! Going over 500 million not worth it.

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  8. JackStrawb

    2 years ago

    Wait—say Ohtani’s arm had stayed healthy for the rest of the 2023 season.

    Would he have gotten $1 billion?

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    • filihok

      2 years ago

      JackStrawb

      The total contract value isn’t what’s really important. Present value is.

      It’d be nice if sites like MLBTR made that more obvious in their articles. But, maybe they don’t interstate that either.

      Anyway, in theory, Ohtani could have gotten a billion dollar deal that has the same value as the Dodgers’ $700 million deal.

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      • fivepoundbass

        2 years ago

        @filihok There was an article in this site today that went over present value and luxury tax implications

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        • stymeedone

          2 years ago

          Leave him alone. He’s on a roll.

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  9. cah011381

    2 years ago

    I personally think the Blue Jays may have had the best offer at some point, and may have even been the frontrunner, but when the Dodgers found out they came in over the top with a bigger offer.

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    • PKCasimir

      2 years ago

      And I personally think Ohtani was going to sign with the Dodgers no matter what and the only question was for how much. His agent used the Jays like a trainer uses a rabbit to win a thoroughbred horse race.

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  10. BigTuna

    2 years ago

    Ohtani going to the Dodgers is like LeBron going to the Lakers. For reasons other than baseball. As an Angel fan, it will be fun rooting against him for the remainder of his career.

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    • Mustard Tiger

      2 years ago

      Root against the guy? Why? The Angels did him dirty by not making the playoffs even one time while Ohtani was there. You should root against the Angels. They’re an embarrassment to baseball.

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      • BigTuna

        2 years ago

        I could make the very same argument and say Ohtani never took the Angels to the playoffs. You’d think a 700 milly guy could take his team to the playoffs 1 time out of 6 seasons.

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        • Amity

          2 years ago

          He had (quantifiably, inarguably) one of the best three year runs in baseball history. He hit for power, hit for average, got on base, pitched, and was a very good baserunner. It is unserious to blame him for the angels fielding a joke squad around him.

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        • Yanks2

          2 years ago

          Angels are a disgrace because they have the two best players in baseball on the last decade and never made the playoffs

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        • Amity

          2 years ago

          Besides all that there is also video evidence that he helped his teammates stop tipping their pitches.

          What more do you want?

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        • filihok

          2 years ago

          BT

          If you didn’t know much about baseball, you could think that

          Luckily, we both know a lot about baseball and know one player can’t do that,

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        • BigTuna

          2 years ago

          @filihok Agreed. Take it for what’s it’s worth from an overly bitter Angel fan. Anything but the Dodgers woulda been cool. Wouldn’t be 1% bitter if he chose the Jays.

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        • stymeedone

          2 years ago

          Yeah, but baseball is a team sport, not a two player sport.

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        • Yanks2

          2 years ago

          No, baseball is not a one player sport. You just said it yourself, it’s a team sport. Two people, the best in baseball, especially one that can pitch and hit equals a team sport

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        • filihok

          2 years ago

          BT

          “Take it for what’s it’s worth”

          Well, it’s worth nothing, so…

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    • 99CaptainJudge99

      2 years ago

      I’m sure the Blue Jays had a great offer for Soto also, we can see how that all worked out to. The Jays should try to sign Cody Bellinger It probably will cost them about $30 million a year, for about 7 or 8 years though. It seems worth it at this point.

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  11. TickingTurtle

    2 years ago

    The Blue Jays might have potentially dodged a long term bullet. You can never predict the future or someone’s health. His past injuries are alarming imho. I know it’s upsetting, but the angels had Ohtani and Trout. Ohtani isn’t the best hitter or pitcher in the game. He was unique. There are better options left that allow them to keep building.

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    • filihok

      2 years ago

      TT

      “Ohtani isn’t the best hitter or pitcher in the game. He was unique. There are better options left that allow them to keep building.”

      This is hilarious

      Ohtani is the best player in the game. There is no better option

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  12. RGR

    2 years ago

    Tbh if MLB changes their own deferral rules after this, i think the Jays will be launching a lawsuit bc im pretty sure they will be going down this very same path in less than 2yrs with Vladdy and Bo and then the rest of baseball will be screaming about that! The Dodgers and Ohtani have just opened a can of worms that MLB wishes had stayed closed, but unfortunately for MLB unless they void this contract, theres no way t change the rules without their bias being called out

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    • bullred

      2 years ago

      IMO the Jays front office only signs a long term contract with players who have a strong record of consistency and Bo has that but Vladdy unfortunately does not . They like to get as much information on a player as they can so Vladdy has another year and a half to show his worth but right now I don’t think the Jays sign him.

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      • stymeedone

        2 years ago

        Rios and Wells are examples?

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        • bullred

          2 years ago

          Lol! yes of how any contracts can go bad unfortunately but great examples of what to do when they do. Toronto wasn’t stuck with either one. That also wasn’t this Jays management team so keep up.

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    • Tigers3232

      2 years ago

      @RGR, why would MLB or the teams want to limit deferrals in any way? From a financial perspective they benefit the Franchises.

      The amount stipulated to be deferred for any particular year has to have the principal funded that year in the amount anticipated to accrue to value at date deferred $ will be paid.

      Anyone with evem a crude understanding of accrued $ knows that this is a benefit to the one paying out.

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  13. SFBay314

    2 years ago

    How or why we didn’t have a competitive bid makes no sense.

    why have a tax if you can just defer everything. Especially because inflation is so high it is actually financially smarter for the team to defer.

    I’m obv sad/mad about it.

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    • filihok

      2 years ago

      SFB

      “How or why we didn’t have a competitive bid makes no sense.

      why have a tax if you can just defer everything”

      Because that’s how money works.

      This contract isn’t worth $700 million. You wouldn’t give $700 million today to get Ohtani’s payouts, so why should it be taxed as it it were worth $700 million?

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      • YankeesBleacherCreature

        2 years ago

        Let him have his day to vent. Not every comment needs to be refuted, sir.

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      • HalosHeavenJJ

        2 years ago

        It’s a gaping hole in the CBA that will only benefit a handful of clubs in huge markets.

        The entire reason the CBT is supposedly based on average annual value is to avoid these types of accounting tricks.

        It was announced as a 10 year $700 million deal. He’ll play there for 10 years. It should be taxed as the 10 year $700 million it is.

        Pretty soon the Dodgers and Yanks will spread all their mega deals out over two or three decades and nobody will pay the tax.

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        • YankeesBleacherCreature

          2 years ago

          Quit acting like the Angels are not in a big market and can’t afford to cross the tax threshold. They’ve been perennially in the top ten in the league in attendance since before Trout arrived onto to the scene. If Moreno wasn’t allergic to long-term pitcher deals, the Angels would be on the same boat and winning more.

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        • HalosHeavenJJ

          2 years ago

          And I’d say the same thing about the deferrals not being taxed. It’s crap.

          Yes, my favorite team benefits from the crappy economic setup of baseball and could potentially further benefit from this crappy loophole.

          Doesn’t change the fact they both suck.

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        • Redstitch108* 2

          2 years ago

          So true

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        • stymeedone

          2 years ago

          It was actually to benefit the players. It worked.

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    • YourDreamGM

      2 years ago

      No idea what Giants are doing. No one cares about Correa but they offered him how much? Judge would have been exciting and they offered how much? Ohtani way more exciting and marketable. They should have have been right there.

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      • AngelsFan1968

        2 years ago

        There was absolutely no way Judge wasn’t resigning with anyone other than the Yankees, Just as Ohtani wasn’t signing with anyone other than the Dodgers.

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        • HalosHeavenJJ

          2 years ago

          I’ve said for years that if the NL had the DH 6 years ago Ohtani would’ve been a Dodger then.

          I’m thankful I got to watch him up close for 6 years. Wish we’d have done more in his time here.

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        • 99CaptainJudge99

          2 years ago

          If the Yankees didn’t match the offer to Aaron Judge he was definitely going to sign with the Giants. It wasn’t a total loss for San Francisco though they got Arson Judge instead- The Great Jon Heyman.

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  14. Neon Cop

    2 years ago

    MLB colluded with Morosi et al to make sure he signed with LA. The contract loopholes are preposterous.

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  15. padam

    2 years ago

    Not buying that he took Toronto seriously. It was LA all the way with any takers willing to help him gain leverage. Where he signed is such a drastic difference compared to where the rumor was pointing too.

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  16. Dumpster Divin Theo

    2 years ago

    And the Chicago Cubs made Shohei an Anthony Rizzo offer and were shocked to be laughed out of the room

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  17. bkbk

    2 years ago

    Angels offered 575m and a big personal services clause, cheap Arte

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    • haighwiser

      2 years ago

      $575 million, cheap Arte?? lol… Obviously it wouldn’t have mattered the amount because he just wanted to be a Dodger like everyone is saying. It’s not because the Dodgers came in $25 to $50 million dollars higher than every other team, it’s because he just wanted to be a Dodger!!

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  18. Silver Boot Series Enjoyer

    2 years ago

    Dodgers still need a lot of pitching

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    • unpaidobserver

      2 years ago

      They’re deferring their pitching.

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  19. MrMet1979 2

    2 years ago

    Ohtani’s reps took that Blue Jays offer and went right back to the Dodgers

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  20. Sky14

    2 years ago

    “The fact that the Blue Jays were willing to spend perhaps upwards of $650MM, $675MM”

    That’s only if they deferred as heavily as the Dodgers contract is reported to be.

    It’s entirely possible other bids came in around $500 million over 11 or so years and were still competitive.

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  21. darinc

    2 years ago

    The best thing is that Toronto could say they offered 650 and even if their offer was more like 500 we will never know and Ohtani and his agent wouldn’t call them out on it.

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  22. angryaggie

    2 years ago

    The thing I see very few posters discussing is “how many WS championships does this buy the Dodgers?” Maybe 1-2 at best. I see little likelihood of more and it might be even fewer. Hence, the question becomes does this contract pay dividends over the decade long span it extends? I’m on the fence. Championships are important and lucrative from a professional perspective but I am uncertain if they will ultimately be able to say this was a prudent decision over the long term.

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    • Neon Cop

      2 years ago

      I highly doubt they win any, to be honest. Their problems are systemic; it doesn’t really matter who they sign.

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    • AngelsFan1968

      2 years ago

      I’ve said from outset that any team that signs him has to look at the ROI in terms of dollars, not championships.

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  23. Rishi

    2 years ago

    In all fairness they can afford it more than most clubs (most could afford it if they wanted tho) because of their huge revenue. That money isn’t going to have the value it sounds like. Inflation will always make these deals more team friendly over time. It’s absurd that we can without doubt say that inflation will continue as long as there is a “functioning” US economy but it’s been so all our lives. His marketability makes it less absurd. Is he going to be as marketable if he can’t pitch? I wouldn’t entirely rule out a change in the rules with deferred money. When people start bringing it up more it will be more likely than ever. It’s only dumb because of the luxury tax. Really it isn’t in the players interest because of inflation. He gets to stay in the same general area and go to a winning club. And make a ton.

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  24. Shawn W.

    2 years ago

    Giants, Cubs, Jays – go ahead and share all the details now. He won’t be signing with you.

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  25. Redstitch108* 2

    2 years ago

    Boo hoo! Poor Toronto fans! How do you’all think we Angels fans feel eh? I will tell you. Disappointed. Angry. Betrayed. The fact that Shohei left the Halos for the “hated” Dodgers stings, especially after how the organization bent over backwards with Ohtani letting him call his own shots when it came to playing time, position, training and other areas. Remember he chose the Halos in the first place because they were willing to do that. And in that environment, he developed into the best player on the planet. I can only hope that he dons an Angels cap in the HOF in 15 years.

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    • haighwiser

      2 years ago

      Arte could have offered $1 billion “deferred” over 30 year and the Dodgers would have said $1.1billion. The Dodgers were going to do anything to get him and they did. The biggest loser in all of this is on the Angels for not trading him when they had the chance and to actually believe they had a legit chance to bring him back. They should have offered him the 575 million before the trade deadline and if he didn’t agree to it trade him.

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    • MotownWings

      2 years ago

      Angels fans should direct all of their anger at the Angels. Not once did they put a team around Ohtani that was competitive enough to make the playoffs let alone win a title. Did you expect Ohtani to be happy with losing throughout his whole MLB career?

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  26. Niekro floater

    2 years ago

    Compensation was going to be paid in Canuck dollars n bear skins.

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    • MotownWings

      2 years ago

      Do some research and maybe you’ll sound less ignorant. Maybe.

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      • JoeBrady

        2 years ago

        LOL!

        Seriously, someone says “Canuck dollars” and you don’t recognize they were joking?

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        • MotownWings

          2 years ago

          Too much slandering going on here to know for sure.

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  27. PhiladelphiaCollins

    2 years ago

    Hey Angels, do you want to trade Mike Trout for Alex Manoah?

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  28. TrumboRedux

    2 years ago

    Dodgers should have offered to pay him in gold bars to really simplify things and just penciled him in for 800K a year on paper.

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  29. GRE

    2 years ago

    The ONLY Team in Baseball that has not done a thing yet is Toronto….Get off Your ASS….Carry on baggage Asskiss and Do Something !!

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  30. maxorange33

    2 years ago

    News Flash JoeBoe, they are ALL 100% propaganda. None are telling you the truth.

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  31. Big cheese G stands for grilled

    2 years ago

    Private plane booked to Toronto $600 million contract rumoured ‘announcment imminent’ BLUFF Dodgers panic raise $100 million. Ohtani CALLS. The pot $700 million. Well played. Everything done in secret yet we will leak a little information for our clients benefit.

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  32. holycow16

    2 years ago

    Go Cubs Go!!

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  33. Cora the Destroya

    2 years ago

    The Blue Jays will be happy they didn’t make this deal.

    As I said to Jays fans (who disagreed by the way), Ohtani didn’t have much chance signing there. They weren’t going to match the Dodgers’ offer and even if they did, Ohtani would get far more publicity in L.A. than he would in Toronto. Toronto may be a big city (as they argued), but in baseball and American terms, Los Angeles is the bigger city.

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  34. 30 Parks

    2 years ago

    Vladdy & Bichette are loving these details – the Jays clearly have the dough to lock-up both players if so desired. The Jays pursuit of Ohtani should formally end the foolish take the Jays are a small market ball club.

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  35. tuck 2

    2 years ago

    Jays are a joke of a franchise. They publicly announce interest in every FA, and then leak stories like this to give the impression they are competitive. Their hype machine is better than the also ran they actually put on the field every year.

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  36. Yankeesforever

    2 years ago

    feel sorry for Jay fans, allow me to wipe away your tears with some sandpaper.

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  37. aspenner27

    2 years ago

    Wasn’t it already reported that no team came within $100mil?

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  38. Mercenary.Freddie.Freeman

    2 years ago

    Maybe Soto to Blue Jays next year then???

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    • DrDick

      2 years ago

      You keep forgetting Toronto is in Canada.

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  39. DrDick

    2 years ago

    I hope Vlad and Bo remember that their team was willing to give a player $650m when they are ready for FA.

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    • OilCanLloyd

      2 years ago

      Agreed. If they have good seasons, there’s no reason not to resign them, if that’s their wish.

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      • The Saber-toothed Superfife

        2 years ago

        Will there be a classic Dodgers vs Yankees World Series?

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  40. Digdugler

    2 years ago

    We need to see the final numbers of the contract before we can draw conclusions. With the deferred money, its likely not a 10 year $700M deal, but a 10 year deal worth x amount and then with interest over 20 years, comes in around $700M total over the course of Ohtani’s life. This is very different from a 10 year deal for $700M both for the luxury tax and for the team financially.

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    • JoeBrady

      2 years ago

      I was going to say the same exact thing.

      The article almost has to be a fabrication.

      If we don’t know how much of the deal was discounted, then we have no idea what the real cost of the deal is.

      If we have no idea what the real cost of the deal is, it is impossible to know how close TO was.

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    • MotownWings

      2 years ago

      I believe it was reported there won’t be interest on the deferred payments.

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  41. 66TheNumberOfTheBest

    2 years ago

    There was never a world in which he wasn’t going to the Dodgers.

    Trash league.

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  42. LordD99

    2 years ago

    “…conspiracy theories launched that Balelo and CAA used the Jays’ interest as a smokescreen to get the Dodgers to up their offer at the last minute since Los Angeles was Ohtani’s preferred choice all along.”
    ——
    Conspiracy theory? An agent playing two teams against the other isn’t a conspiracy, it’s doing his job.

    The reason this deal went to $700MM is likely because the Blue Jays pushed it there in an attempt to get the Dodgers to stand down. It seemed like it almost worked.

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  43. Chicks dig bunting

    2 years ago

    He will need ucl surgery probably a pitcher never recovers to well from that either look at that mets pitcher and others that had it. Not good

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  44. teddyj

    2 years ago

    Why would he sign with a Canadian team in an American sport? California already has as many people and a considerably larger GDP than Canada. He was never going to Toronto and Jay’s fans were just too delusional to realize it

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  45. basquiat

    2 years ago

    Mark Shapiro is a master of convincing the media that his team is in contention on every blockbuster blue chip player trade. He did it for years in Cleveland and his biggest splash was Nick Swisher.

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  46. jimmertee

    2 years ago

    Ohtani was NEVER going to sign with the Jays: I posted this Dec 05 across many media sources and posted similar in Steve’s article in these pages Dec 06. The story was out there, don’t listen to the Sportsnet and Morosi /Heyman noise.

    From Dec 05: “Ohtani will be a Dodger soon. I hear that he has already made up his mind even though he and his representatives are doing due diligence. He is learning about other possible contract options not money oriented. He can get all he wants moneywise by many clubs. #BlueJays #Dodgers”.

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    • bullred

      2 years ago

      Thanks for keeping us in the loop Jimmer

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  47. Whyme

    2 years ago

    Atkins is a failure.

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  48. JoeBrady

    2 years ago

    Has anyone seen the Pads Fans who posted about 100 times that the contract would be recognized at $70M a year?

    Reply
  49. MLBTR needs to hire editors

    2 years ago

    “Or, perhaps” doesn’t need a comma.

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