9:06pm: Yamamoto could make his decision within the next 48 hours, tweets Mark Feinsand of MLB.com.
7:55pm: MLB.com’s Jon Morosi tweets that Yamamoto has at least one offer of $300MM or more in hand.
6:59pm: The Giants have been informed they’re out of the running for Yoshinobu Yamamoto, reports Alex Pavlovic of NBC Sports Bay Area (X link). While there’s no indication that Yamamoto has made his final decision, Pavlovic adds the Giants expect he’ll sign with the Dodgers or one of the New York clubs.
Andy Martino of SNY tweets that the Mets have not received any indication they’re out of the running. That’s also true of the Yankees, according to Jon Heyman of the New York Post (X link). Heyman indicates the Yankees have put a “significant bid” on the table.
Crossing San Francisco off the list technically leaves six known finalists. In addition to the Dodgers, Mets and Yankees, the Blue Jays, Phillies and Red Sox have been involved. Philadelphia has made an offer this week. That said, reports have cast the Phils, Jays, and (to a lesser extent) the Sox as longer shots.
Yamamoto has been weighing offers throughout the week. While he technically has until the evening of January 4 to sign, the expectation is that he won’t take things to the wire. That his camp is now in the process of whittling the field lends credence to the idea that a decision might not be far off.
The bidding seems as if it’ll surpass $250MM, before accounting for a posting fee owed to the Orix Buffaloes that could tack on another $45-50MM. That fee is in proportion to the contract size, calculated as 20% of the deal’s first $25MM, 17.5% of the next $25MM, and 15% of additional spending. That reflects Yamamoto’s atypical youth for a free agent pitcher (25) and his sheer dominance in Japan. Named NPB’s best pitcher three years running, he’s coming off a 1.21 ERA while striking out nearly 27% of opponents in 164 innings.
It’s a tough blow for the Giants, who come up short on another top-tier free agent. The Giants have missed on pursuits of Aaron Judge, Trea Turner and Shohei Ohtani within the past two offseasons alone, while their deal with Carlos Correa fell through because of the physical. Yamamoto will join that list. San Francisco did land KBO star Jung Hoo Lee on a six-year, $113MM pact — the largest deal of Farhan Zaidi’s tenure as baseball operations president — but they haven’t gotten a truly elite free agent in some time.
San Francisco still has plenty of spending capacity as they decide on their next steps. Roster Resource projects their 2024 spending around $158MM. That’s about $30MM below this year’s Opening Day figure. From a luxury tax perspective, they’re almost $45MM south of the base threshold. That opens the possibility for a run at any of the top remaining free agent talents. Blake Snell and Jordan Montgomery headline the rotation class, while Matt Chapman was on the radar earlier in the offseason. So was the top available hitter, Cody Bellinger, although the Lee signing seems to rule out a pursuit of another lefty-swinging center fielder.
lol
Ok then
Funny!!!
It’s starting to get sad for me. The Giants play in the same division as teams like LA and SD that are stacked with stars. SF fans are forced to watch Logan Webb and whatever platoon players Zaidi can find.
It seems like every offseason the giants are the butt of the jokes
Would you have wanted SF to pay 46 million a year for DH ohtani? Who knows how recovery from his second tommy john is going to go, but pitchers with two generally don’t do so well.
I’d rather their resources go elsewhere, even if the giants win a handful fewer games in the short term.
JoeBoe, I don’t totally disagree but the problem is that those resources going instead to stripling comfort and Haniger isn’t any better. If they passed on Ohtani or Yamato and got snell and bellinger I could accept that, if the tickets got cheaper and I could get a $7 beer ok.But it’s more likely they will get 3 guys who were all stars 4-7 years ago and the 2016 runner up for AL rookie of the year, or was that last year? Meanwhile tickets will “dynamically” get more expensive and beer will cost me $14 for a flat 8oz plastic cup of Rocky Mountain piss.
San Diego is “stacked with stars”??? Really? Tatis and Machado and……???
And Yu, Xander, even Kim to a smaller degree being a superstar in his home country.
That’s a lot when you compare it to SF.
When I order a stack of pancakes I sometimes think two is enough,
Yu Darvish and Xander Bogarts are stars!!!! Said nobody ever. A “star” means an ELITE level player who is in the mvp/cy young discussion every year.
Also, a star is someone who people go pay money to see. Nobody is like, “I can’t wait to go watch Kim Ha-seong” lol. To be a star, the player has to be video game cover, magazine cover material, have major brand endorsement deals and is a household name. I’d even go as far to say Manny Machado isn’t really a star. He is a great player, but star?
then the average number of stars per team is 0.5
Yeah and the giants have 0 stars.
The padres might not be impressive to you but they’re impressive when compared to that dumpster fire in SF. Man you must be dense to argue for the garbage giants
Frankly I’d rather have Blake Snell. If cheap Giants ownership don’t agree to a significant SP acquisition, then expect another sub .500 season
Middleton still at the table.
And I doubt he’s going to leave it.
Ahhh as much as I’d love to watch YY in Philly for the next decade, I unfortunately think LAD is gonna come away with this one. I’d be happy if he went to the Yankees, though – keep him out of the NL.
I think he goes Mets. And as a Giants fan so so disappointed.
He went dodgers. That disappoints me far more
Dodgers or a NY team, duh.
New Rule: Can’t have more than one Japanese player on the team at a time. Or, you can’t add 1 BILLION dollars of new money in one offseason. I think that’s fair – Dodgers disqualified from signing YY
Something has to be done or they’ll be no real competition for FAs or the WS.
@PhanaticDuck26: That’s discrimination based on nationality. Not cool.
Hope he is a massive bust for $400 mill
You want the dude to fail since your team can’t sign him?
Yes
I also want him to fail if my team doesn’t sign him.
I cheer great performances in baseball. It’s great for the game. Not a Dodger fan, but seeing Ohtani continue to perform at historic levels would be great.
Ohtani is different lol.
No wonder no one wants to sign with the Giants.
BS.
Right on Benny!
You’re a massive bust.
I wouldn’t pay $300 million to any pitcher nowadays. There are no more Greg Madduxes, guys who can be counted on for 200-270IP and a 2.00-3.30 ERA per year over a 10 year stretch. Those pitchers don’t exist anymore.
Kinda like Barry Zito ?
Game 5 2012 NLCS, worth every penny.
and Game 1 of the 2012 World Series
Is Barry Zito still playing?
Don’t sleep on the phillies , it’s the best fit for him. He won’t win in NY or LA
People buy based off emotion instead of lofic.
And Farhan probably gave him some stale logical pitch.
That combined with the goofy Murphys, Barts, and belts and the Giants are a cold no go destination.
I seriously doubt any of the big free agents they missed out on would have ended up being a good contract.
I do hope they try for Soto next year, but it’s still one club out of 30+.
Giants missed out on Flaherty too which was more their speed anyways.
Where did you hear that?
Count your lucky stars Giants
He will go with Ohtani. Or Yankees. Not sure on Mets but could surprise.
Add a Giants fan, I say … ahh, fudge!!!
Fudge, indeed. It would have been fun for the Giants-Dodgers rivalry to have Yamamoto-Ohtani matchups for the next decade
with darvish bouncing back in 24 with the Padres. arguably the 3 best Japanese pitchers of all time
You think Ohtani will be pitching for another decade?
@sad_sox I was thinking about Ohtani hitting against Yamamoto moreso than games where they both start on the mound (though those games would have been cool too)
Yamamoto to Dodgers. Stop with the stupid suspense.
No, if, and’a or but’s.
If Yamamoto tells the Dodgers he signs for 300 million, with none of it deferred, the Dodgers won’t sign him. They only get players they can coerce to their own advantage at the detriment of baseball. Yamamoto isn’t going to defer 298 M until 2045.
Yeah that’s just chock full of Hater-Aid must be a Giants fan. Padres maybe? The Ohtani deal broke absolutely zero rules. Why you so mad? Mariners fan btw, what the Dodgers do within the framework of the rules doesn’t affect me.
It was Ohtani’s idea to defer the money. It makes sense when you think about it. Ohtani makes about $40 – $50 mil now in just endorsements, so he doesn’t need the money now. When he’s done playing in ten years the Dodgers will still owe him $680 million. He can move out of the state of California and not pay state income tax.
He can move out of USA and not pay federal taxes either.
Its not that easy. You pay taxes where its earned, not where you live. Where its earned will be California for Ohtani after he retires and starts getting all that deferred money.
Unless it’s defined as some sort of “pension” under federal law, I can’t imagine. that the California Franchise Tax Board will let that just happen. I would bet that they are already looking into it, given the size of potential tax liability.
MLB income is earned where each game is played. Deferred salary is considered earned where the team is located. Ohtani will pay taxes on that income in California. If his place of residence is Japan he will also pay income tax in Japan. jetro.go.jp/en/invest/setting_up/section3/page7.ht…
@wisdom
As a Giants fan, I can’t believe you’re making me defend the Dodgers, but that is complete hogwash. The Dodgers have money and will make a competitive offer to Yamamoto. Deferrals are likely given his contract looks to be headed to the $300m range, but not to the ridiculous degree of Shohei’s, who came up with the deferment structure in the first place (not the Dodgers).
So you’re saying there’s a chance…..
Upvote for the great reference….
it’s a dumr reference, how can you up vote? sarcasm btw
“Excuse me Flo”………and one for you.
Newsflash
Giants sign Zack Greinke to a 4 year contract paid out over 29 years. No other details released yet.
Mo’Money Mo’Money Mo’Money!
Interesting article in MLB.com where Mayo would rate him around 13 to 18th top prospect if he was one. I’m not sold on this guy
I don’t think they ever put a good offer on the table from recent reports. Sounded like the New York teams had it locked up so why waste time. Go sign Snell and Montgomery.
Snell Montgomery and Stroman still out there. I think they could put together a decent rotation and still get someone via trade
Absolutely! Trade from the backlog of outfielders and throw in Bart with a prospect or so and land a solid SS, maybe Hoskins to go along with it.
J Bart has absolutely no trade value and hurts any deal giants could make.
Not true, but wouldn’t even be mad having Bart as a backup if one goes down. I think the kid can still make it happen.
He struggled the entire year at AAA and looked disinterested on the field. Still waiting for him to run out a grounder. Saw multiple AAA games
Interesting trade idea bust for bust. Forrest Whitley for Joey Bart who says no?
Don’t forget we have Harrison who looked great and is only going to get better. Whisenhunt, Black, Birdsong all who also look really good and could be up this year, Winn and Beck were not chopped liver either.
I don’t think it a lock Yamamoto is coming to the Mets or the Yankees. At the end of the day you got to ask yourself is Yoshinobu Yamamoto worthy of a contract $300 million or over? If I’m the Giants I would definitely try to sign Blake Snell who should be a lot cheaper then Yamamoto. It’s not the end of the world.
They’re one of two teams known to have offered him 300mill. Neither were the dodgers or either new York team
I think that was false reporting but you could be right. My take was that they weren’t willing to even place a bid and be used for building up his price. I think they’re tired of being used! Ha
If you’re referring to Yamamoto, reports surfaced a couple days ago that the $300MM claim was false. No team offered him close to that. In fact, there was a story after that about the LAD contemplating an offer to him that was less than $250MM.
Yankee…that’s what I read also. I don’t believe they really came to the table, but I could be wrong.
2010,2012,2014 seems like a long time ago. Poor giants
It doesn’t seem that long ago when they crushed my Rangers. Had to coerce their coach to get a ring. I still fear the beard.
Lol, sounds jealous
As a Dodger fan, seeing how much FA hate San Fransisco is hilarious to me lol
@kershawsgrandma22
162-game-season championships since 1988….
Giants: 3
Dodgers: 0
Hilarious.
Since coming to Cali
Dodgers:6
Giants:3
More hilarious
Hilarious …is stupidly ungrateful!
It doesn’t matter which of those two teams you support.
Funny how 3/6 were in less than full seasons. Also, didn’t y’all only win one in all those years in New York? Cause that sounds too. One more thing, 8>6
All time…
Giants: 8
Dodgers: 7 (including 2020*)
FA loves LA just pay FA up their butt and they will come.
Grant Bisbee wants everyone to know it’s due to cable news.
theathletic.com/5137862/2023/12/16/sf-giants-recen…
“Eight days ago, at the Winter Meetings, I was told that Shohei Ohtani wasn’t a fan of San Francisco. Not the organization, but the city. I still don’t know if that means someone close to him watches cable news too much, that he’s deathly afraid of sea lions or that he’s allergic to fog and/or Huey Lewis. But it was relayed to me by someone I trust, and my guess is that Buster Posey was aware of this skepticism about San Francisco, which is why it came out in his chat with Andrew Baggarly.”
SF used to be a beautiful city. Rampant homelessness has certainly made it less desirable. I can see not wanting to live there.
Yet the 9ers and warriors have no problem signing free agents. (Yes 9er’s stadium is in Santa Clara but warrior’s is balls deep in San Francisco)
Ironically, people still try to say that FA are dissuaded from signing in NY because of the facial hair policy. While that policy’s efficacy is a different discussion on its own, there’s simply no proof whatsoever that it has precluded NYY from signing any notable FA.
Im not a yankee fan but i agree completely. People just hate on them cuz there the greatest of all time like my Montreal Canadiens in hockey. The only thing IMO that would scare people off would be how crazy the media is. According To sonny gray that played a major factor on why he didnt do well as a yankee. The media asking him everyday why he was playing horrible or whatever. He says it in an interview he did with Bauer when they both were with the reds
San Fran is an absolute dump and that’s being kind.
Airbal—do you live here? I don’t think so. I do. It’s stunningly beautiful and full of kind people. I love it here. Quit repeating a stupid mantra you read online, get out and see for yourself in real life.
You know, some fans just hate on other teams for the joy of it. You are one of those. You don’t wear it well.
kershawsgrandma22 — You know, some fans just hate on other teams for the joy of it. You are one of those. You don’t wear it well.
Laugh it up but they have won more WS championships than the dodgers on the last 15 years 3-1
Is Lincecum still available?
Madison Bumgarner is still available.
I heard he comes with a horse
If you’re talking about Bumgarner’s left shoulder, you may have meant “hearse.”
I hear they’re working on a reanimated Christie Mathewson
Price must be high enough don’t need anyone’s help driving it up from here. Now go snag imanaga and snell.
25 year, 440 billion contract with the dodgers. Deferred salary until 2095-2120. Luxury tax hit of 497K per season based on present day dollar value.
This is like a reality show where they send one team off the island every day. Eventually only one team is left, only they don’t get a million. Instead, they have to pay $300 million.
He is a better option than paying Soto half a billion dollars.
Soto is such an over rated player.
When he performs like Miquel Cabrera and bats in 130 runs and hits 330 every year I will call him great
Oh wow maybe Phillies did offer a ridiculous amount
Here’s hoping!
WS caliber team and can establish himself as the first japanese player of consequence in a major city. Guess we’ll find out out what he values after he signs, CAVEAT, like the Werth to Wash. signing, while I hated it for my Phillies won’t ever bash a player for taking the biggest bag.
I’d love for the Phillies to land him one thing I’m kinda thinking to myself does he wanna live in the shadow of Ohtani? I think that’s one thing a lot of dodgers fans aren’t asking themselves
Stanton, Ohtani, Judge, Correa, Harper, Gausman, Senga, Ohtani again, and now Yamamoto
Love this, Correa accepted the money then had his contract fall through based off his ankle in the medical exams. Giants dodged that one.
They also didn’t even offer gausman a contract.
Hello Blake Snell then, I would assume.
The Dodgers making a Death Star of Ohtani and Yamamoto and the Giants getting Snell and Jung Hoo Lee while the Padres lost Soto and are dumpster diving is a pretty rough offseason for SD. Oh well. Here’s to letting some kids play for once.
Hard no on Snell – thats going to be a bad contract in 2 years at most
Non-zero chance. His market has been pretty quiet for a Cy Young award winner.
I almost want the Pads to try to take a shot on him if they can wait it out. Almost. Doesn’t seem like the money is there for that at all though.
It’s hard to use the term lightning in a bottle at the perceived rumor cost, but $300M+ for someone that hasn’t thrown a pitch in MLB seems a bit risky. I get Ohtani, but doesn’t his original deal with the Angels feel more like the probable lightning in a bottle scenario? If I’m wrong I’ll own it, but happy not to see the Braves involved.
I think its smarter than paying a 10 million dollar bonus to a 20 year old kid drafted first in the yearly draft
So many of them turn out to be busts who still got millions for doing nothing
From 2000-2016, 17 picks, 9 stars, and 8 busts. Interestingly, nobody in-between where you think “okay but nothing special”.
Good odds when you think of the value, particularly early career, of a star, I’d take that bet
It’s a lot risky, especially considering different skill sets are needed to succeed in each league.
Soooo youre saying there’s a chance? (For philly) (even tho there’s not, but a girl can dream) (f***)
Yo it’s going to happen.
As a lifelong Giants fan, trust me, I’m not shocked anymore. I just laugh.
Sounds like he is making a very intelligent decision based on gathered facts, getting a feel for the teams and cities and his personal feelings.
I salute his integrity and wisdom
what intelligence he is going to biggest market team with most money to spend.
Farhan did it again all jaws and no action.
Strike 5 on Farhan.
Is he supposed to hold him hostage until he signs with them? Nothing to do with Z
Yamamoto is also not going to a Rams game with Ohtani. But he might be flying to Toronto (just kidding). This really is getting beyond a joke.
Next week he will eliminate another club. He will then eliminate one club a week for the next 6 weeks.
The deadline is January 4
@James Midway: I get the joke, but he has to sign by 4 PM January 4 2024 or he’ll be playing in Japan again next season.
He’s not a 300 million $ pitcher in the mlb. He’s a 15 mil a year for 5 years. Grossly untested against REAL bats. Whoever pays more than $150 million is going to regret it.
In a small sample size he did pitch in the WBC against all star teams of MLB talent and had a 2.45 ERA in 7 ⅓ innings with 12 Ks.
His stuff is nasty in any league. I highly doubt though anyone will commit 10 years nor will this kid want 10 years. I expect a contract 6-7 years 200-210 million. My only concern is his size and durability.
It will be a long term contract with opt outs
17iq
“Whoever pays more than $150 million is going to regret it.”
If he’s untested, how can you know his value?
[Hint, you can’t]
His stuff is nasty and his value is whatever the market will pay him . He has faced mlb hitters and guess what they all say ??? This guy is NASTY !!
Mr. Cohen spent the last year burning Benjamins. YY probably runs to Cohen’s money bin and gets a few truckloads. 10y $250+, then we’ll see about “real bats.”
This is easily going 10/300 in my opinion
Ive only been watching baseball for about 20 years but i always assumed, just like in hockey, that players want to play for the most storied franchises. In hockey its the original 6, Montreal, Toronto, Boston, NYR, Detroit and Chicago. In baseball i guess were talking about the Yankees, redsox, black sox, dodgers, giants, braves and cubs. Alot of the oldest ball teams are cheap kike the twins, pirates and reds. Anyway my point being is the giants havnt beed able to sign anyone of not for awhile now
Interesting definition of “storied” when both the red sox and the cubs endured century-long “curses.” And you really can’t leave the Giants out of your story. I think the stories of 40, 000 No. 2’s on SF’s streets probably chill their market currently.
The best FA signing the Giants never made was Correa.
Consider yourselves lucky to have missed out on him.
The Giants have too many holes to fill to acquire a marquee type player.
How about Julio Urias and Trevor Bauer on one year pillow contracts?
Urias and Bauer in San Fran on one year pillow contract I hope you’re not serious. Attendence on days those guys pitch 5. That includes the announcer.
until they win.
They live!!!
Julio the wife beater and Trevor the fool who was set up to hit a woman sounds like you have a fetish for a certain type of guy.
May as well trade everyone of value, including Webb. Turn into the Tampa Bay Rays for a couple of years.
There is no denying that top tier free agents do not want to come to SF, warranted or not.
SF owners own their own stadium, so they are not about to push for low attendance when their own city is already facing many vacant buildings and great showcases of used tents on sidewalks,
And I would respectfully suggest that reason has something to do with elite players, wanting to join organizations that are prepared to: 1) win in the short term 2) help them to grow as players and get better.
Attracting elite players, does require money. There are probably more than a dozen organizations in major league baseball that have the resources and financial wherewithal to pay players like Ohtani, Yamamoto, judge, Harper, etc. The San Francisco Giants are one of those organizations.
Again, I would respectfully suggest that the Giants problem has more to do with not having a core of young and outstanding players, who other elite players want to play with. It’s not about the filth or the crime in the city. Others here have addressed that issue as being fraudulent and it is. Elite players will play anywhere that meet the above conditions. Right now, the Giants are lacking of talented young players, and there is not overwhelming evidence that they have the capacity to develop players to a high level. Personally, I respect Farhan, and I think he knows how to do that, but he hasn’t delivered. Until he does, he’s going to be under the gun.
no worries, Yamamoto will still have the opportunity to duece in the middle of the street or a random grocery store and rob a walgreens when the Dodgers play in SF.
Or when in LA for home games
I really wanted the Red Sox to get this guy. But at this price I am a hard ‘NO’
A 15 to 20 million buck risk for a big market teams is doable.
30 mil plus for a guy who hasn’t tossed a big league game? NOPE!!!
I am buying my bus ticket out of Silly Town.
how demoralizing it must be to hear you’re out of the running and that he’s probably going to the dodgers
I think it was obvious when they made their offer and agent kept looking at biggest market teams on “where is your offers”
Odds are he’s not going to the dodgers. He’s taking multiple meetings with the New York teams and staying on the east coast.
if he paid around what the rumor is around $300m he could be a huge weight for that team (if its the dodgers then he will hurt plenty in deferred years)
Oakland A’s are ready to swoop in….Beane ball is back!
Yankees signed him to a 9 year contract you heard it here first
Respectfully, I predicted 9/275 a while ago….to Philly.
I got the Yankees at 10/330, but wouldn’t be surprised if the Yankees went out to 12 because of his age and the fact they love to extend players well past their utility.
google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/boston/news/y…
Boston a couple days ago offered a contract north of $300 million. This could get really crazy, given the teams involved and what offers already presented, I think this goes over $400 million pretty easy.
That report was debunked. It was not true. The only known value to this point anywhere near the $300MM mark was the LAD reportedly “considering” an offer less than $250MM.
Not that it won’t get there, but that report was incorrect.
Considering priority number one for yamamoto has been complete secrecy and mum is the word during this entire process, I doubt your source.
Coincidentally, Jon Morosi is reporting tonight that Yoshi does in fact have at least one offer north of $300MM – I stand corrected… there’s now a sourced report of $300MM.
Farhan readying the signings for Snell, Hader, and JD Martinez
They have no need for Hader at the price, the other two make sense though
Good riddance! Giants fans would probably rather have Snell/Montgomery and a few relievers or good bats like JD Martinez or Mitch Garver.
Yeah,sure they would…..lol
According to a source, the Red Sox and Yankees are in an aggressive bid war tonight with Yankees currently leading at 9/325.
Come on Breslow, don’t let the Yankees get this guy!!
Yanks signed him 9/326
The Red Sox are one more bad contract away from nuclear winter…
If that happens, cole is definitely opting out bc he’ll be pissed
But where is his plane headed?
Okinawa….
The Man From Okinawa…
Please let it be NYY or NYM. FTD.
Well, at least they had Arson Judge last year for a little while! Per: (You know!), Good thing the Giants GM got cold feet, or whatever on the Correa deal (or no deal!), and dodged a bullet! Anyway, I think they are lucky they are out of the running on Yamamoto because I personally don’t think he is worth the amount of money that reports have generated! So consider yourselves lucky and keep dodging those Bullets!
He should sign with the KBO.
LAD or NYY incoming. Those 100+ year logo traditions a hard to beat combo
I hopes he takes his talents to South Beach.
This is so sick. He’s just going to be a sellout loser like Ohtani and sign up for the easy ring with the super team Dodgers in a city where no one is real and no one actually cares about or knows baseball.
think about it — go to Dodgers they will shell out big $$$$ and you have a quality line up with 3 super stars — which means he will be leading games= less stressful situations .more often
Giants – have no hitting stars, every game almost seems like the pitcher has to throw ZEROs every inning to stay in the game, or its a nail biter 1 run to play on – knowing your team wont score much in a tight game.
Makes sense to me
I wouldn’t say Ohtani sold out. He took the deferrals so the Dodgers could improve, which is what they are trying to do.
YY just didn’t want to go to the Giants. Doesn’t mean he signs with the Dodgers. Personally I think the Yankees get him.
@GoGoPowerRangers
100% this. Every word. (However unfortunately, when it comes the part about the Yankees….)
How many fans did giants have show up at the park last year? Dodgers are consistently top 1-3 in attendance every year.
Have you not watched the dodgers lately ? They CHOKE. They won the most unique season in baseball history I give them credit but they’ve shown in normal years don’t bet on them.
The Giants are excellent of assembling a team of veterans. They will get their starting rotation. It’s okay they missed out on Yamamoto. They will improve in other areas.
I believe that this may be more beneficial to the Giants, honestly. They’ve been going after the top guy for a couple offseasons in a row; but, they would make marked improvements if they invested the same money into tier-2 players and acquired a greater quantity, imho.
If they went for Monty (I think he could be a great fit there), Snell (not tier-2, necessarily), and Hader they could be appreciably better. Hader and Duval could be devastating out of the ‘pen, and there are still plenty of position players available through trade and FA that could improve the ball club.
I could also be very, very wrong.
Clip, I am so afraid to say anything regarding Yoshi and the Dodgers…I value our friendship more…haha When do you think he signs though (wherever it may be)? In 2023? Before Xmas? Haha It is starting to wear on me..
Lol, now that’s a true friend, Trumbo! Well, it’s interesting because I was certain he would decide before Christmas, but this week I really get like it was going to be pushed until the week after.
Now, I hear the Yankees have made their formal offer, and it’s supposedly a big one (obviously) to Yoshi. Knowing the LAD were pondering their offer to him a few days ago, I’m inclined to believe he will decide tomorrow or Saturday. Honestly, I think he’s already decided and just going through with his due diligence.
You are saying this could basically happen ANY MINUTE NOW!!!!!!! WOOOOoooooOooooo!!!!!!!! Let’s go Yosssshhiiii!!!!!
*doval. Giants aren’t gonna spend the likely 15+ mill on Hader after they used 11 mill on rogers last year. They talked up Chapman early in the off-season. They’ll sign him, snell, and make a few trades
Ooof. How do you feel about Chapman? His defense is amazing, but his bat is impotent. My bad on Doval.
I think he’ll be an incremental upgrade for too much money. JD Davis was a very good third baseman defensively, with comparable offense. If they can trade him with a prospect for a starter, then cool. If they do anything more than 5/125 it’ll be an awful contract though
Pitching Ninga says he has a Gausman fastball, Darvish curve, Ohtani splitter, and Burns cutter, all he needs is a change. That shoulld get him 300 million.
And his locker with #18 is patiently awaiting him in the Bronx.
Is this in the visitor’s clubhouse?
Lol! Touché….
Sorry…low hanging fruit ripe for the picking…
Still funny though… I just hope it’s not true!
It sounds like it will be the Yankees…at least he won’t get booed when he comes to the Rogers Centre….
Haha! Ouch, man, lol… But, to be fair, we literally boo everybody. As Reggie said, “They don’t boo nobodies.”
The Giants, always the bridesmaid
Bridesmaid, they weren’t even top 7.
Probably because Buster Posey told him about all the poop.
No one wants to play for a fourth placed team.
No joy in Frisco, thanks to Buster
I do not have a problem with this. It’s up to the player and his wants. I’d rather have the risk of those $’s spread over multiple players. The Giants are so well setup to add future payroll plenty of talent to target and where needed over pay.
I think Yamamoto comes with outsized risk, his youth and dominance gets him both $ and years, but that dominance came in Japan. Even Ohtani for all his dominance and the LAA running at times a 6 man rotation to accommodate him still has 2x’s now had TJ, Yamamoto is JUST a pitcher.
I front load a deal for Bellinger with an opt out after 4yrs and pay LARGE for his 28-31 years. Over pay for Montgomery, get Woodruff on a 2yr deal so he can rehab and IF the SF staff think they know how to Giolito right, sign him too. Their track record on fixing starters is impressive. I think an overpay of Robert Stephenson is warranted. This guy has never been paid, hell I’d sort out whether there’s a starter in there and his want to start
Even ball players from other countries don’t want to set foot in San Francisco. Sad state of affairs.
Why would Yamamoto slight the Padres when he could have been closer to his original home while being next to our “Big Three” of Stars: Joey Musgrove, Yu Darvish, Mikey King (former Yankee), and soon to be top prospect: Drew Thorpe?
I hope they don’t announce each team one by one. Seems weird SFG was singled out.
Tune in tomorrow for the next unlucky team to bow out!!!
Reclamation projects and or players that are from the Bay Area.
That’s the pool of players that will consider SF.
I feel really bad for the giants. Padres maybe broke but at least players will take their money.
He left his chart in San Francisco….
The Giants just don’t seem to have the mix of farm system and current 26-man roster to attract high end free agents who want to win now. Since the fantastic Baumgarner/Posey/Wheeler trifecta, the Giants’ first round draft picks have been abysmal, with only the traded Arroyo and Joe Panik with over 2.0 career bWAR. Hunter Bishop still can’t get to AA, Heliot Ramos doesn’t really make a FA get excited, and Joey Bart is on his way to being a backup on a rebuilding team like the White Sox.
There needs to be a better plan than just trying to outspend the Dodgers, Yankees, Mets, and Phillies.
The who? Oh right, the Giants. I forgot the Bay Area had any teams left.
Ouch. Nice. Topical, too. This orange bleeder likes this comment. Can’t think of a good comeback (Covid Championship doesn’t quite cut it). Good job.
Just pretend the Giants won the COVID trophy and how legit it’d be in your mind because everyone else played 60 games too.
Have lost track of all the comments and replies I’ve got, so I’ll leave this thread with the folowing:
….but it’s still kinda cool that for a guy with almost 1k career ip, his whip is under 1……
Wherever he signs, I’ll check his boxscores for sure.
amazing that the Giants keep whiffing on their big targets. wowsers.
Good. That money should be saved for Soto next off season. A guy with an actual MLB track record. Not some “might or might not translate to the MLB” type guy.
Wouldn’t a RHP be best for that ballpark in SF.
Morosi has an update – does this guy have any credibility left?
It’s on a flight with Herjavec to Toronto.
Bauer deserves a shot again now. Urias is a great pitcher but hes going to have to go the Roberto osuna route and play in Mexico or something. Do the Saudis have ball teams now? Baseball united its call thats were Bauer and Urias should go to make some good money and play against former big leaguers. Guys like Didi, big sexy, pablo Sandoval, robby cano and androlton simmonds are playing there in that 4 team league. I dont what there actually being paid but if its UAE and saudi related there should be big dollars there and likly the biggest deals outside mlb
Aaron Boone is teasing a potential Christmas gift for Yankee fans — another superstar wearing pinstripes. The Yankee manager told reporters today (12/21) in The Bronx that the Bombers have set aside a #18 shirt for Yamamoto. (18 is a number associated with Japanese pitchers.)
I think Giants fans have given up, I live here and the interest in the Giants is low and that is being kind.
in before ten responses telling you how wrong you are, even though you’re right
Really?? They’re not that far removed after they won 3 WS in a 5 year span
I wanted Snell anyway.
They won’t get him
Am I being too skeptical to think the representing agents may be paying for these reports of huge offers?
Zaidi just realized he needed to add another zero to be in the conversation
If he signs with LAD, all hell will break loose from baseball fans around the country
Get ready because he did!
They could have upped their bid!
Hilarious stuff is happening on Twitter. There’s a clip of Curry on YES’s hot stove show teasing that Yamamoto to the Bombers may happen before the show is over. This is almost better than the Ohtani private jet nonsense.
Jack is rarely wrong. Not before the end of the show, but he seems very confident and he’s wired in to all Yankee moves.
Jack now says Dodgers.
In my heart, the Cardinals are still in the running.
You need to see a doctor.
I hope not if the reports are true. It sounds like someone is paying Cole money for a pitcher who has never thrown a pitch in MLB.
Of course, there’s also that tweet from some guy on the Pat McAfee show that it’s a done deal with the Yankees at 9/326. If you believe that, I’ve got a private jet to Toronto for you. But who knows? It might be true.
He was gonna be kinda boring to watch to be honest
Mariners are shedding payroll and have two aces available in Luis Castillo and Robbie Ray under team friendly contracts.
Most don’t want to get rid of Castillo yet but mariners are no longer in a win now mode.
Might be worth a look for the giants
Mariners are no longer in a win-now mode?
Now Jon Heyman – yeah, I know, the Arson Judge guy – is tweeting about an ongoing bidding war that’s gone over $300 million. Phillies are a “dark horse” plus the usuals (Yankees, Mets, Dodgers).
Sounds like the agents have managed to stir up a wild war between the biggest spenders in the sport. Insane.
You just the mystery team tweet, and you have a full Jon Heyman report.
LMAO, Here we go again hahahaha. The Giants were going to be Big spenders this off season and have lost out on the top 2 so far FAs. They are not going to get anyone else, period. Not as long as Zaidi is in charge !! Fire the Chump and get a real GM in there that knows what he’s doing. Basement dwelling, AGAIN here we come !!
Any man with hair is bad is Zaidi who doesn’t just shave it off is suspect on decision making.
As one of the few Jays fans left, I would like to thank the world of mlb rumors for not involving planes to YYZ, sushi restaurants, or dogs named Kensington in the creation of this fiction….
I’m waiting for the “Yamamoto is on a plane” tweet and a decision is “imminent” tweet, or are we not at that stage yet?
the plane to toronto with ohtani…hasnt landed yet. according to sources.
kukuchi is still waiting at the restaurant with reserved sushi.
My final guess: This Dodgers fan thinks he’s gonna be a Yankee. Not gonna be a Met because they’re still the Mets (Cohen notwithstanding), and won’t be a Dodger because he wouldn’t be the only Japanese sheriff in that town.
So, Yankees money it is.
There is a premium Cohen can pay to buy him out of wanting to be a Dodger or a Yankee.
We’re at the “a decision is imminent” stage. Need that plane tweet and we’re full circle.
All the planes to Toronto are overbooked…
Dont count out boston
Mets 10/$400M
Old News. The decision of Yamamoto to slight the Padres where: 1.) he’d be much closer to his original home. And 2.) he’s giving up the opportunity to toss side by side a trio of starting pitching stars in: Joey Musgrove/Yu Darvish/Mikey King and upcoming top prospect- Drew Thorpe. His loss.
Ben Nicholson-Smith (I love hyphenated names) is the Blue Jays guy and he’s tweeting that Toronto is probably out of it. Not a surprise but who knows what is true right now?
Not a Giants fan, but the narrative that players are scared to live in San Francisco is really dumb. Rich people are pretty much completely insulated from the bad parts of any city
Well said. It’s just people who are swayed by political propaganda
Except when you step foot outside of your house even in the heart of Pac Heights.
There were only 5 or 6 teams in baseball who could afford to sign this guy at that ridiculous price and everyone knows it. Stop pretending this posting system is anything but a farce for large market teams to exploit.
Meanwhile, Alex Speier is the Red Sox guy and he just tweeted that Boston is moving on to other pitchers. Sounds like the Red Sox are pretty much out of the Yamamoto derby, too. But the usual caveat: nobody knows for sure.
Sounds like something they have already been doing..cya
There will be a decision on this no later than Saturday. I’ve been saying all along that the Mets will prevail because of Cohen’s money, but the deciding factor here is does Yamamoto want to be a Yankee. I’m beginning to suspect he does. He will be a Yankee.
And in a matter of minutes, it appears he’s a Dodger.
Hoping for a Yamamoto present for my Padres!
I wonder if rocker49 knows why Yamamoto didn’t want to sign with the San Francisco Karens.
Because FARHAN sucks
PLEASE Giants ownership FIRE FARHAN!!!
I agree with that, there’s a lot to be said when he can’t close a deal. He may just not have the personality that appeals to most.
as a DBacks fan this is kind of disheartening, watching the team slowly assemble a competitive squad to compete against the Dodger empire and then the Doyers’ get a bit of comeuppance and they go out and do this…. glad for the guys that get paid, but how long is it going to be before we watch Baseball introduce their own SUPER League for only the deepest pocketed Franchises to ensure that they can eliminate the sharing of revenue and pennants.
Every SFG fan should have seen this coming when Ohtani deferred his salary.
Now can we please get on with the offseason now that the billion dollar manipulation of the Fodgers is complete?
I never really thought he’d sign with the Giants anyway.
300 million for a pitcher who’s never thrown a MLB pitch? Mets must be the high bidder.
I guess you were close? He is now a Dodger.
I wasn’t holding my breath that the Giants would sign this guy. I’m on the fence on this one, if they can just use all that that money they tossed around and sign a few decent players they can compete. The Dodgers fold in the playoffs anyway.
Do you think the Giants bring Joc back?
Not bringing Joc back. Too expensive. More likely to get Matt Carpenter as the DH. He is basically free. Could catch lightning in a bottle and if not, dfa him and keep picking up reclamation project guys for cheap like we always do.
No need for DH.
Flores, Haniger, Conforto, Yaz, Murphy will all rotate in.
No chance. The Giants have the cornered the market on DHs.
Sad but true.
As a RS fan, I am fine with this. I don’t like Snell long-term, but I think he will have a better season in 2024 than YY.
I didn’t watch Snell so my question is, where did he get his walks?
I don’t mind a pitcher who pitches the best hitter(s) on the team cautiously but if you are allowing walks to 7/8/9 hole hitters, that’s a problem.
This is where commutative stats lie, like Bellingers exit velocity. What’s his exit velocity with no strike and one strike? I don’t care if he’s not hitting the ball hard on strike 2 if it’s out in play.
Yamamotos numbers in mlb debut season: 5-7, 4.68 era.
Giants were never ever serious about signing these players. They were just pretending and making sure Dodgers pay as much as possible. Giants ownership gunshy about spending for sure.
Now with Yoshinobu Yamamoto signing. I think the SF Giants need to do the following. In my opinion the Giants need to do the following.
Sign Blake Snell for 6/$150 million,, Marcus Stroman for 4/$80 million and Matt Chapman for 5/$125 million. Then they can play Chapman at 3rd, move JD Davis or Wilmer Flores at 1st and then either Davis or Flores at DH. Then the Giants can trade LaMonte Wade Jr. , Austin Slater, and another extra outfielder or combination for a backup shortstop/second baseman . Then make another trade with the remaining of them for a 4th or 5th starter. Again this is just my opinion.
Boras wont allow it
imagine if both ohtani and yama blow out their elbows and get tommy john surgery….
oh wait….ohtani just had his 2nd tommy john surgery…
i hope they never win a championship and curse the dodgers for 20 years.
oh wait, wrong article.
ehhh might as well just leave this here.
It’s ok, we at least got TJ Hopkins.