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West Notes: Giants, Yamamoto, Angels, Leiter

By Nick Deeds | December 3, 2023 at 4:33pm CDT

The Giants have long been expected to be one of the winter’s more aggressive teams after missing out on megadeals for stars Aaron Judge and Carlos Correa last offseason. While the club was still active on last year’s free agent market, deals for lower-profile players like Taylor Rogers, Michael Conforto and Mitch Haniger didn’t save San Francisco from a 79-83 campaign that ended with a fourth place finish in the NL West this year. As president of baseball operations Farhan Zaidi and his front office looks to turn things around ahead of the 2024 season, the club has been connected to plenty of top players this offseason, ranging from star outfielders Cody Bellinger and Juan Soto to reigning NL Cy Young award winner Blake Snell to even two-way superstar Shohei Ohtani.

One such star the Giants are known to have interest in is NPB right-hander Yoshinobu Yamamoto, who Zaidi himself noted the club has scouted extensively in the run-up to his posting late last month. Today, Susan Slusser of the San Francisco Chronicle provided an update on the club’s interest in Yamamoto, who ranked as the #3 free agent in this year’s edition of MLBTR’s annual top 50 free agents list. Per Slusser, other teams interested in Yamamoto believe that the Giants “have an edge” in the sweepstakes for his services. Yamamoto figures to be among the most sought-after free agents this winter, with reports indicating that nearly half the league has interest in the 25-year-old righty. The Mets and Yankees, in particular, have been connected to Yamamoto heavily to this point in the offseason.

Even if San Francisco does have a leg up in the Yamamoto sweepstakes, a signing would surely require a major financial outlay. The righty is widely expected to secure the largest deal of any starting pitcher on the market this winter besides Ohtani; MLBTR has projected him for a nine-year, $225MM deal that would only be surpassed by the guarantees secured by Gerrit Cole and Stephen Strasburg among free agent starters. That shouldn’t be a problem for San Francisco, which reportedly offered Judge a deal in the $360MM range last offseason before 2022’s AL MVP ultimately returned to the Yankees.

More from MLB’s West divisions…

  • The Angels have made significant headway in assembling their 2024 coaching staff under new manager Ron Washington in recent weeks, though USA Today’s Bob Nightengale suggests the club previously offered both former Pirates and Rockies manager Clint Hurdle as well as 21-year MLB veteran LaTroy Hawkins roles on Washington’s staff; Hurdle was offered a job as Washington’s bench coach while Hawkins was offered the bullpen coach role. Nightengale goes on to note both men are expected to retain their current roles as special assistants to the front offices in Colorado and Minnesota, respectively. That’s hardly a surprise, as the club has reportedly hired Steve Karsay as the new bullpen coach in Anaheim while bench coach Ray Montgomery will remain in that role for a third season in 2024.
  • The Rangers were open to moving right-handed prospect Jack Leiter at the trade deadline this summer in the right deal for pitching, according to Evan Grant of The Dallas Morning News. The second-overall pick of the 2021 draft was initially expected to be a fast-rising arm who could impact the big league club shortly after being drafted, but the righty has struggled to this point in his professional career. While Grant notes that Leiter made some strides last season, he’s not yet ready to contribute in the majors and could be part of the return for a front-of-the-rotation arm, should Texas look to the trade market in their search for rotation upgrades this winter. While Leiter has a career 5.37 ERA across two minor league seasons, the 23-year-old ended the 2023 campaign on a relative high note with a 3.31 ERA and a 39.7% strikeout rate in his final four starts at the Double-A level.
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  1. gfan

    2 years ago

    Great news.
    An Edge with a leg up on it !

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    • raisinsss

      2 years ago

      Derek Jeter’s got an edge.

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      • Fever Pitch Guy

        2 years ago

        Raisin – There’s one drawback to pitching in San Francisco, nobody will get caught stealing.

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        • Pete'sView

          2 years ago

          Fever Pitch — ???

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        • Jean Matrac

          2 years ago

          How do you figure? Bailey had a 28% CS. League average is only 20%.

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        • Pete'sView

          2 years ago

          And I think Bailey will get even better both behind the plate and at the plate.

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        • gfan

          2 years ago

          A stretch but probably referring to the lack of law enforcement in the city…

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        • Pete'sView

          2 years ago

          You’re probably right, but it’s a warn out narrative. San Francisco is no worse than any other major city. It’s fine.

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    • LordD99

      2 years ago

      The edge will shift with a bigger dollar offer.

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      • gfan

        2 years ago

        One can only hope it’s all about the money. I don’t see anyone outbidding SFG. The need for star power is real and Zaidi is feeling the pressure to produce results this year.

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    • User 3044878754

      2 years ago

      Yamamoto and Ohtani to Cleveland per Baseball Suspectus

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    • foppert1

      2 years ago

      According to Dave Fleming, been on him for a couple of years. Fingers crossed that the work is rewarded.

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      • agnes gooch

        2 years ago

        Super stoked foppert! Go Zaidi go go go go go!!!!

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        • foppert1

          2 years ago

          I learnt from last year, Agnes. It hurt, so I’m keeping excitement to a minimum. Which is difficult to do after listening to the latest TK Podcast that features Fleming. The man has optimism. Check it out if you haven’t already. Plenty of feel good there for Giants fans

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        • agnes gooch

          2 years ago

          Flem is feeling it and so am I! We’ve got this foppert! Plus our kids are going to be one year better! With more on the way!

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        • foppert1

          2 years ago

          Ha ha ha. You are a true soldier !

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      • Pete'sView

        2 years ago

        Yamamoto and Lee are far more important than Ohtani for the Giants. Those signings would allow the Giants to move some young pitching and outfielders in trades.

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        • foppert1

          2 years ago

          Can’t get myself there, Pete. I think they need the biggest name and the biggest bat. There’s still a bit of TOR pitching around if they miss on Yamamoto. Lee sounds like a lot of fun, but the Lord scared me with the ground ball rate and the 89mph fastball velo he has been hitting. My concern is that the lack of FA competition is contributing heavily to all the excitement in Mr Lee.

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        • Pete'sView

          2 years ago

          Well, signing Lee would take us out of the Bellinger sweepstakes (If the Giants are in on him) and that, alone, would calm my nerves. Bellinger, at his price, could be a disaster.

          I like Lee for his contact skills and his glove. He’d be the first real lead off guy the Giants would have in years— no disrespect to LaMonte.

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  2. maxmilna

    2 years ago

    My fingers hurt!

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    • i like al conin

      2 years ago

      What? Now your back’s gonna hurt because you just pulled landscaping duty.

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  3. Balk

    2 years ago

    The Giants need to make this happen, and try like hell to grab Ohtani along with him. A tall task I know, but impossible? Probably not. Wouldn’t mind a pass on Ohtani and going after Lee and Hoskins.

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  4. JohnFisher’s$1BlumpkinSpecial

    2 years ago

    Welcome to the bullpen, Jack. Unless the Rays get him somehow.

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    • showmebb

      2 years ago

      The Rays do have a front-end starter available.

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      • JohnFisher’s$1BlumpkinSpecial

        2 years ago

        That’s what I was thinking. Glasnow+Ramirez (dh is free with garver gone) for Leiter +. Maybe with Huff and another two low level lottos.

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  5. THEY LIVE!!!

    2 years ago

    I predict that the Giants will expel a lot of hot gas and shart themselves. In the end Giants GM will sign nobody of significance.

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    • Balk

      2 years ago

      That’s a terrible prediction…

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      • THEY LIVE!!!

        2 years ago

        That’s what Zaidi does. Don’t be surprised if he brings back Bumgarner

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        • Datashark

          2 years ago

          Bumgarner surely can ring in a few horses, he might have enough for middle relief or 7th inning stretch rodeo action

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        • gfan

          2 years ago

          Don’t be surprised if Bum returns to greatness once he puts on the orange & black either. He can DH too…

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    • AndyWarpath

      2 years ago

      Oooo the hottest take

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    • kahnkobra

      2 years ago

      yup

      Reply
  6. Sourhaze

    2 years ago

    Mets beat writer says other teams believe they have an edge

    Yankees beat writer says other teams think the Yankees have an edge

    See the pattern?

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    • gfan

      2 years ago

      Sure.
      SFG has a leg up.
      The edge may just be overrated hype for the rest of them..

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      • kahnkobra

        2 years ago

        nope

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    • LongTimeFan1

      2 years ago

      @Sourhaze

      Mets beat writers aren’t currently saying Mets have an edge. Mets were the early favorites. What matters is now. We don’t know what’s going on behind the scenes, where things stand.

      Reply
  7. Blue Baron

    2 years ago

    Of course SF writer Susan Slusser says the Giants have the edge.

    NY Post columnist Jon Heyman says the Mets have the edge.

    You can probably find a LA writer who says the Dodgers have the edge and another NY writer who says the Yankees have the edge.

    Whatever.

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    • rct

      2 years ago

      MLBTR commenter Blue Baron with the scoop: Blue Baron has the edge.

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      • Blue Baron

        2 years ago

        @rct: Compared to you, that’s not saying much.

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    • LongTimeFan1

      2 years ago

      @Blue Baron

      Susan Slusser is a nationally known, well respected, long term Bay area journalist/beat writer. Take what she says seriously,

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      • Blue Baron

        2 years ago

        @LongTimeFan: So is Jon Heyman in the NY market. That must mean that the Giants and Mets both have the edge.

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        • Jean Matrac

          2 years ago

          From the article: “…Giants “have an edge”…”

          There’s big difference between having ‘an’ edge and having ‘the’ edge.

          It’s entirely conceivable that both teams have an edge over the other teams involved.

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        • Balk

          2 years ago

          Wasn’t Heyman the guy who got it all wrong on the Aaron Judge thing last year. Jumped to conclusions? I’m not saying he isn’t respected, but he seems sometimes an east coast bias type of guy.

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        • Blue Baron

          2 years ago

          @Jean Matrac: You’re just splitting semantic hairs with an edge vs the edge.

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        • Blue Baron

          2 years ago

          @Balk: No reporter or columnist is right most of the time.

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        • Balk

          2 years ago

          Blue Baron…you can say that again! Ha

          1
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        • Jean Matrac

          2 years ago

          Blue Baron, No I’m not. Using ‘an’ versus ‘the’ makes the meaning different. I’m surprised I have to explain to you that multiple teams can have an edge over the field. Having the edge makes it exclusive to one team. That is not splitting semantic hairs at all. You’re just doubling down after misquoting what Slusser wrote, and misconstruing her meaning.

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    • foppert1

      2 years ago

      Don’t be too stressed. Apparently It was a similar situation with Senga. Giants had put a lot of work in and offered the same deal as the Mets, but playing with his hero Verlander got him to NY.

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    • gfan

      2 years ago

      Most overrated guitarist on the planet. All chinga linga all the time.

      Reply
  8. Motor City Beach Bum

    2 years ago

    Leiter to the Tigers for bullpen help (Lange or Foley) or maybe he gets you Matt Manning. At this point he’s a piece of the pie to get a top starter. Chris Fetter can fix him!

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    • Go Go Power Rangers

      2 years ago

      I don’t see Leiter being moved for bullpen help even with his struggles. At least not until mid season.

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  9. stymeedone

    2 years ago

    On the Detroit boards, the Tigers have the edge.

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  10. stymeedone

    2 years ago

    Hard to get excited about Leiter and his 4 starts. Always good to ignore the rest of the season.

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    • Motor City Beach Bum

      2 years ago

      Stymedone…and yet you don’t make that argument about players the Tigers cut the last two years who had poor seasons. Be consistent dude.

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  11. rememberthecoop

    2 years ago

    I wouldn’t give up on Leiter just yet. He was so good coming out of college and has good bloodlines with his dad, Al. I still feel like he’s going to be an ace.

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  12. Fire Krall

    2 years ago

    Padres = Last Place

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    • Big whiffa

      2 years ago

      I looked it up. It actually means dad or father

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  13. Breck68

    2 years ago

    Yamamoto and/or ohtani would be great and help bring in fans but iny opinion that is alot of money for either of those players. In my opinion the SF Giants needs to sign a combination of these players: Matt Chapman,Teoscar Hernandez,Juang Hoo Lee, Michael A.Taylor, Marcus St Roman,Luis Giolitlo, and Eduardo Rodriguez

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  14. jturk

    2 years ago

    Actually I think we can all agree that Christian has the edge in TLC matches

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  15. teddyj

    2 years ago

    I doubt Yamamoto ends up in SF unless he enjoys dodging feces and thieves.

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  16. outinleftfield

    2 years ago

    Just a little something for the Giants fans. I overheard a guy here at the Opryland Resort that I believe was Dan O Dowd of MLB Network saying that Ohtani got an offer from the Giants that was much bigger than he thought he would get.

    Overheard a guy that I didn’t recognize saying “its a done deal once he is posted” when asked about Lee going to the Padres, so I don’t think that is going to happen for the Giants. The guy he was talking to had his back to us said, “so he is not signing with you? What will DAvid think about that?” I think he was talking about him not going to the Mets.

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  17. ricanrob14

    2 years ago

    Breaking news: Yamamoto joining new teamates Arson Judge and Carlos Corea!!

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  18. GSWfanklay

    2 years ago

    Wade Meckler > Lee in terms of experience and production

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  19. GSWfanklay

    2 years ago

    And competition

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