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Braves, Chris Sale Agree To Two-Year Deal

By Darragh McDonald | January 4, 2024 at 10:59pm CDT

The Braves and left-hander Chris Sale have agreed to a new deal, which will pay him $38MM over the next two years. The Wasserman client will earn $16MM in 2024 and $22MM in 2025 and there’s also an $18MM club option for 2026. Sale was already under contract via an extension he previously signed with the Red Sox but this will overwrite that.

Sale was acquired from the Red Sox last week, in a trade that sent Vaughn Grissom to Boston. The Sox also included $17MM to cover the remainder of Sale’s contract, a five-year, $145MM extension he and the Red Sox signed in 2019. As part of that deal, Sale was set to make $27.5MM in 2024, though $10MM of that was deferred until 15 years in the future. With the $17MM coming from the Sox, Atlanta was only going to be paying him $500K. There was also a $20MM club option for 2025.

As part of this new deal, Sale’s $16MM salary will be pretty close to the non-deferred money he was going to make in 2024. He will no longer have that deferred $10MM payment down the road, but he will have $22MM locked in for the 2025 season. That gives him some extra security in the event of more health problems cropping up this year. Sale pitched less than 50 total innings over the 2020-2022 period, mostly due to Tommy John surgery but also due to other ailments. Last year, he was able to toss 102 2/3 frames but a stress reaction in his shoulder blade kept him out of action for over two months. Any further health issues would have perhaps given the club some hesitation about picking up the 2025 option but Sale has now locked in a notable salary for next year.

For Atlanta, this is a show of faith in the soon-to-be-35-year-old. They could have simply employed Sale for 2024 and then walked away if things didn’t go well, with the club option there to keep him around if he had a strong campaign for his new club. But they have now committed themselves to at least two years of Sale, with the club option now kicked down the road to 2026. As mentioned, Sale hasn’t been fully healthy in the past four years and even had some issues before that. Some shoulder and elbow issues kept him around 150 innings in 2018 and 2019, meaning his last fully healthy campaign was 2017.

Back then, Sale was one of the best pitchers in the league, finishing that 2017 season with a 2.90 ERA. Last year, he wasn’t quite as dominant, with a 4.30 at the end of the season. The peripherals were a bit better, however, with a 29.4% strikeout rate and 6.8% walk rate that were both strong.

Despite that fairly solid bounceback season, it’s obviously a gamble to bet on a pitcher that has been hurt so much, locking him up for his age-35 and age-36 seasons. But the club has a decent amount of rotation uncertainty going forward. Max Fried is entering his final year of club control while Charlie Morton is one year from free agency as well. Morton has flirted with retirement before and is going into his age-40 season, making it possible he won’t be back in 2025.

Prior to this deal, Sale was a potential to depart as well, depending on the outcome of the club option. Now that he’s under contract for 2025, he can be pencilled into next year’s rotation next to Spencer Strider. The club will still have to fill out the rest of the rotation, but perhaps internal options like Bryce Elder, AJ Smith-Shawver and Hurston Waldrep will have taken steps forwards between now and then.

There’s also the competitive balance tax to consider. Under the current collective bargaining agreement, a player’s CBT hit is recalculated when he is traded to reflect what remains of the contract. That means that Sale was going to have a $27.5MM CBT hit prior to this deal, with the Sox absorbing $17MM of that. But that will now drop to $19MM, leaving just $2MM on Atlanta’s CBT ledger this year but $19MM next year. Going into today, the club’s CBT figure was at $276MM, per Roster Resource. That’s right against the third tax threshold of $277MM, which is a notable line to cross. Clubs that go over the third threshold have their top pick in the next draft pushed back by 10 slots, in addition to an increased tax rate. By lowering Sale’s CBT hit, the club will have a bit more breathing room to make more moves, either now or during the season.

Ultimately, it’s a pact that works for both sides. Atlanta gets a bit more luxury tax space and also, hopefully, a better rotation outlook in 2025 and maybe even 2026. Sale, meanwhile, locks in some future earnings to guard against any continued health issues.

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  1. swanhenge

    1 year ago

    Good for him. He will do well on that team.

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    • horaceallen

      1 year ago

      Has made a total of 31 starts and pitched 151 innings over the last 4 seasons, so there is some risk here. But given the market it’s certainly worth the flier.

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      • Jesse Chavez enthusiast

        1 year ago

        @horaceallen

        Exactly

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        • deweybelongsinthehall

          1 year ago

          Did the Sox not discuss an extension like this? I’m wondering if the union will approve or am I reading it wrong? This lowers the AAV or if not, next year becomes really cheap.

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        • Travis’ Wood

          1 year ago

          Sale’s luxury tax hit with Atlanta went from $8 mil to $19 mil. Not sure what AAV is going down or why the union wouldn’t approve this?

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        • rememberthecoop

          1 year ago

          The luxury tax is based on AAV.

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        • bhambrave

          1 year ago

          Tax hit went from $8M to $2M

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        • Travis’ Wood

          1 year ago

          Sale’s AAV for Atlanta before the trade was $8 mil in present day dollars. After the deal its now $19 mil. That’s according to Spotrac

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        • steelerbravenation

          1 year ago

          Boston is paying $17 million that is part of the trade so they are on the hook for the remaining $2 million. That’s how I read it. Gonna be interesting hearing how it actually does play out.

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        • Travis’ Wood

          1 year ago

          Payroll wise yes. But CBT is based on AAV not single year salaries

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        • deweybelongsinthehall

          1 year ago

          Thank you all! on another note, FAN reported the Mets are signing Based for $10m. Seems like a lot for a guy who can’t stay on the field. Interesting deal though because if he stays healthy, he’s as good as there is in the field and has had some big time at bars. Another player to trade at the deadline if he can remain healthy.

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        • gbs42

          1 year ago

          AAV is reset when a player is traded, so it would have been $17M + the present value of the deferred money, so $24M-ish. I don’t know if Boston covering $17M would reduce Atlanta’s luxury tax hit.

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        • bhambrave

          1 year ago

          CBT is also affected by Boston’s share.

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        • fivepoundbass

          1 year ago

          @dewey I never comment on spelling and grammar, especially when it’s likely spellcheck that caused it. But if Bader has had some big time at bars, he’s a guy I can relate to.

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        • juststaydown0

          1 year ago

          Sale’s actual contract paid $27.5m. His CBT hit being calculated only $8m included the $17m from Boston. When you do the same to his new $19m aav, the CBT payroll hit is now $2m

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        • deweybelongsinthehall

          1 year ago

          Lol fivepound. My fat fingers working on a phone combined with the font size I use sometimes means I can’t preview everything. Too bad we can’t edit. As for big times at the bar, I’m glad I have the memories. I’m just satisfied when I have those big time moments in the bathroom…

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        • JoeBrady

          1 year ago

          steelerbravenation
          Boston is paying $17 million that is part of the trade so they are on the hook for the remaining $2 million.
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          That’s the way I read it. Atl owes $19M per. The RS pay $17M this year. That leaves $2M.

          The biggest difference is that Atl now has a $19M liability for 2025.

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        • bhambrave

          1 year ago

          Yeah, they’re trading 10.5 deferred and a $20M option for $19M. If Sale is healthy then they are saving money. If he isn’t, they lose.

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        • yewed

          1 year ago

          I’m still trying to catch up and am confused. I’ve seen different articles saying different things about the deferred money..

          If I’m understanding it Atlanta canceled the 10M deferred payment to Sale in 2039. Now Boston “only” owes him 40 instead of 50M. It’s almost like they prepaid over half of the deferred payment with the 17M. What am i missing?

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        • bhambrave

          1 year ago

          Boston owes the Braves $17M and they owe Sale the deferred amount for years up to 2023 but nothing beyond that.

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        • yewed

          1 year ago

          Spotrac is showing that Boston still owes him 10M per year from 2035-2038 with 2039 being canceled. That’s why I’m confused.

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        • bhambrave

          1 year ago

          ’39 was when the Braves were going to owe him $10M deferred from 2024. With the new contract, that $10M is cancelled.

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        • paddyo furnichuh

          1 year ago

          @Wood….This has happened before and I’ve wondered about it. It must be in the fine print of the CBA?

          New teams take on an amount we’ll X, team sends money we’ll call Y, new team’s CBT number has been reported in this situation to be X-Y.

          I’ve been heard an an explanation for it, but it seems to work this way. Don’t recall specific examples but it’s happened before-maybe with LAD a few years back.

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        • Trollfree

          1 year ago

          Dewey – New Contract means new AAV. It still comes down to total amount owed over number of years for the AAV.

          Funny how a better organization values a great pitcher more than the far lesser organization. Breslow a genius? I think not!! Cora an idiot? Absolutely. Sale was fine under Ventura. He was fine under Farrell and his only bad years were for Cora since he didn’t pitch in 2020 when Cora was suspended for cheating.

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        • Trollfree

          1 year ago

          Sale has 2 AAVs.
          Atlanta is paying him $21MM over 2 years so the AAV is $10.5MM.

          Boston still owes Sale $17MM in 2024

          So Sales total AAV in 2024 is 27.6MM broken into $17MM by BOS and $10.5MM by ATL.. That is an increase of $2MM over his original AAV of $25.6MM owed by BOS prior to the deal.

          ATL extended him into 2025 for $10.5MM and if he does well they can renew him in 2026 for $18MM if he does well in 2024 and 2025.

          The key is to forget about the cash flow because Boston and Sale did a funky set of cash flows that don’t go away because of the trade. Atlanta will likely workout a cash flow that varies from the $10.5MM per year AAV. Sale’s cash flow takes him to his retirement age so after baseball he will have an annual income until he retires!!

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        • Trollfree

          1 year ago

          Not true.

          Sale’s AAV in Boston was $25.6MM before the trade.

          Now Boston owes Sale $17MM and ATL is paying him $10.5MM in 2024 so Sale is getting a $2MM increase in 2024 and in 2025 he gets $10.5MM.

          So the AAV for ATL is simple. It’s $10.5MM in both years.
          Boston still owes Sale $17MM in 2024. That number shows up in Retained Payroll on Spotrac for the Red Sox. It counts against the Luxury Tax.

          Cash flows are not worth discussing because they are not considered when comparing his numbers to the Luxury Tax.

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        • Trollfree

          1 year ago

          Yes $17MM hits the Luxury Tax for Boston in 2024.

          That’s why buy downs are ridiculously bad. They reduce the amount of money a team can spend under the CAP. If the CAP is meaningless, then there is no issue with the buy down since money is meaningless. Teams like NYY and LAD look at the CAP that way and BOS should but they don’t. Breslow reduced his 2024 CAP by $17MM which makes me think he’s not going for a 2024 fix. He’s only shooting for improvement.

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        • Trollfree

          1 year ago

          To clarify – ATL is paying Sale $10.5MM per year.for two years.

          $19MM of it is from ATL and $2MM is from money owed Sale by Boston in 2025. Consequently, the Boston carryover got wrapped into the new contract and raised the AAV to $10.5 rather than $9.5MM (which is half of the stated $19MM contract)

          Boston still gets dinged for $17MM in 2024 but the $2MM for 2025 is being pciked up by ATL.

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        • bhambrave

          1 year ago

          My understanding is that Boston is paying the Braves $17M in 2024 to pay all of Sales’ 2024 payroll of $16M plus $1M in 2025. The Braves have a new contract with Sale with an AAV of $19M/year for two years. Boston is paying that down by $17M in 2024, and Atlanta has a $19M CBT hit in 2025.

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        • Trollfree

          1 year ago

          Joe – Read the above statements to understand what actually is happening.

          ATL – $10.5MM AAV for 2024 and 2025 ($19MM/2) + $2MM from BOS 2025 obligation

          BOS – $17MM in Retained Payroll

          Cash flow is irrelevant to fans.

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        • Trollfree

          1 year ago

          yewed – Cash flow is not relevant. The CASH FLOW changes agreed to by Boston and Sale have NOTHING to do with AAV or what counts against the luxury Tax.

          Sale wanted to help Boston’s overall cash flow and provide his family with a long string of incomes going forward so he deferred his cash payments into the future to smooth his earning curve for his family. The AAV has NOTHING to do with those cash flows. They are between Sale and Boston. Any suggestion of those changing would be thinks only the Red Sox and Sale should be concerned about. The cash flow being spread by Sale is much like what Manny Ramirez did. It give him incomre after this playing years. but the AAV has already accounted for all those dollars.

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        • Trollfree

          1 year ago

          bhambrave – Not how it works. Boston owes Sale $17MM and it stays on their books for 2024. ATL owes Sale $10.5MM in 2024 and 2025. Boston doesn’t owe Atlanta anything. They owe Sale the money that remains from deal $17MM.

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        • Trollfree

          1 year ago

          yewed – ONLY READ THE LUXURY TAX COLUMN!!!

          The rest is cash flow and has NOTHING to do with AAV and the Luxury Tax.

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        • Trollfree

          1 year ago

          paddyo = No money is sent from one team to another. This is all about contracts not cash flow.

          New AAV established with Sale’s new contract.
          Old AAV of $25.6MM is replaced witth the new contract BUT the terms off the old contract still impact the books so the $17MM owed by Boston now shows up under the RETAINED PAYROLL area. It’s dead money being paid to Sale to pitch for ATL. It’s incredibly stupid to do this but Breslow chose to do it anyway.

          The Red Sox owed Sale $25.6MM in 2024 and $2MM in 2025.
          The $2MM got included in the new contract so Atlanta signed Sale to a 2 yr $19MM contract and picked up the $2MM still owed Sale by Boston making the new contract $21MM for two years so the AAV is $10.5MM per year.

          Never confuse the cash flows with the AAV and the contract information. Teams can create whatever cash flows they want to with the player but it’s the contract and the associated AAV that matter versus the CAP.

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        • bhambrave

          1 year ago

          Atlanta doesn’t owe Sale 10.5 and 10.5. Their contract is $16M and $22M. Boston is paying $17M, to be applied to Sales’ contract and to his CBT hit in 2024, which is $19M.

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        • bhambrave

          1 year ago

          Sale signed a 2/$38M deal, not a 2/$19M deal.

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        • yewed

          1 year ago

          I get the AAV and all that. I was only really confused on the deferred money. Different articles worded it differently. Some said one year and some said all deferrals were gone.

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        • bhambrave

          1 year ago

          The deferrals from ’20 to’23 remain in place because he’s already earned those. The deferral that was part of the ’24 salary goes away because the Braves signed him to a new, 2yr/$38M contract with no deferrals.

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        • yewed

          1 year ago

          That’s what I had thought to begin with. Then I started to see different things that made me question it. Thanks.

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        • JoeBrady

          1 year ago

          ATL – $10.5MM AAV for 2024 and 2025
          ———————-
          I don’t think so, but let’s wait to see how Cots lists it. We agree that on the same $21M obligation, but I believe that the way it is structured is that ATL will get hit for $2M/$19M.

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        • JoeBrady

          1 year ago

          And I’d be willing to bet that Cots agrees with me. LMK if you are interested. But it is pretty much guaranteed that Cots will have the same opinion as I do.

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        • JoeBrady

          1 year ago

          The deferrals don’t play in this case once the new contract was signed.

          Originally, Atlanta owed Sale $27.5M, reduced by the deferrals to $$25.2M IIRC. That $25.2M was then reduced by the $17M to arrive at the $8.2M CBT.

          Once he signed his new contract, the deferred $10M disappears. So the new contract is $19M per, but the 2024 portion is reduced by the $17M to come to $2M for 2024, while the $19M for 2026 remains.

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        • black69

          1 year ago

          And Boston is paying $17m either way.

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        • JoeBrady

          1 year ago

          Has KD conceded yet that I was right?

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      • braveshomer

        1 year ago

        You ever heard the saying in Basketball “be fearful of the big man with foot problems”? “Be fearful of the hard throwing pitcher with shoulder problems”….it’s definitely worth the risk if the Braves can squeeze two good years out of him and keep his usage as a #4/#3 as long as possible….big if however

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        • bhambrave

          1 year ago

          Does he have shoulder problems? I thought it was TJ.

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        • stevetherock

          1 year ago

          Sale has had trouble all over. Stress fracture in his shoulder last June/July. I think he missed a good 6+ weeks.

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        • NashvilleJeff

          1 year ago

          He didn’t have a “stress fracture.” It was listed as a “stress reaction in his left scapula.” No surgery involved. Basically just a strain that had to be rested until inflammation was gone. You’re right about the 6 plus weeks.

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        • braveshomer

          1 year ago

          Yes, he went on IL60 last summer due to shoulder stress fracture i believe…and yes I only know b/c I had him Fantasy lol

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        • stevetherock

          1 year ago

          The Red Sox (as they often do) downplayed the injury initially. From The Athletic article on 06/29/2023: “Just 28 days after leaving a start against the Cincinnati Reds with what was later diagnosed as a stress fracture in his left shoulder, Chris Sale has been cleared to begin throwing again.”
          But that wasn’t really my point. He also missed 2+ months in 2018 due to shoulder inflammation. The man has had shoulder problems… in addition to a broken wrist, fractured rib, broken finger and his elbow (TJ).

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      • RunDMC

        1 year ago

        A Japanese 25 y/o star SP just got $325M (not inc. $50M paid for posting fee) having never thrown a stateside pitch. This is where the market is. That’s not even stating that while he certainly has the velo, he also used a smaller/lighter ball than MLB uses to get that kind of movement. Now that’s risk. Not to say he won’t see a lot of success, but paying him record money takes cajones.

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      • MLB Top 100 Commenter

        1 year ago

        But does spending this money mean that AA has given up on extending Fried?

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        • bhambrave

          1 year ago

          I think it means he’s given up on Charlie Morton past 2024. It actually clears a little more CBT space, if he wants to give Fried an extension starting in 2024.

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        • CityofChampions

          1 year ago

          @Manny

          I think Fried is all but gone after the season

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        • RunDMC

          1 year ago

          @ Manny – AA will most likely make a decent, non-winning offer to Fried, not unlike FF/Dansby or Nola (FA), but not enough to keep him. Fried has expressed his desire to go back west, fwiw. Fried’s not going to sign a deal off arguably his worst season and he is probably very motivated (especially being the player rep) to have a great season this year (like Swanson in his walk year) to maximize his potential and worth move back out west.

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        • bhambrave

          1 year ago

          If AA could get Max on a 8/$180M deal, then he might be willing to pull the trigger. That’s the upper end, though, and some other teams will be willing to go higher.

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        • Slow day at work

          1 year ago

          @MannyBeingMVP not necessarily, The Braves should have plenty of room in 2025 to sign him to a long term deal, I think this signing only affects Morton returning in ’25, which he probably wasn’t planning on doing anyway.
          I don’t think this signing moves the needle either way when it comes to signing Fried

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      • stymeedone

        1 year ago

        “But the club has a decent amount of rotation uncertainty going forward.”
        They still do, and at an even greater level.

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      • Joe Robbins

        1 year ago

        You think? Lol

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      • Veromarlin

        1 year ago

        For a team that is going to struggle to cover innings seems a risky proposition at best …. Guess since they limped things along nicely without Fried last year they feel invincible

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        • RunDMC

          1 year ago

          Going to struggle to cover innings? How so? Fried only pitched to 77 IP last year (injuries), despite an avg of 172 IP/season the previous 3 full seasons. Elder, Morton, Strider all had 31+ GS, so if Sale could have 20 GS (conservative), you’re talking about another 25 GS from Ian Anderson (ETA: June), Reynaldo Lopez, Ynoa, AJ Smith-Shawver, Waldrep, Darius Vines, etc. I wouldn’t doubt also seeing some unknown ascend, with my pick being Luis De Avila (2023: 3.26 ERA with 9 SO/9 IP in 26 GS at AAA).

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    • richardc

      1 year ago

      So, from my understanding, after the Guillorme signing, the Braves now have roughly a little over 7mil to add for in-season deals without going over the 3rd Tax Line??

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    • seth3120

      1 year ago

      I’m not a Braves or a Red Sox fan but I’m pulling for sale to comeback strong. He’s a gamer he’s just been hurt and he pitched a lot of great years before that. HUGE reason for a WS championship in Boston he was lights out

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  2. showmebb

    1 year ago

    Interesting. A bit of a surprise.

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    • JayPhilsFan

      1 year ago

      Don’t see the logic in this, but as a Phillies fan, I am happy.

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      • chiefnocahoma1

        1 year ago

        You clearly have not been paying attention to the pitching market the last couple years. This is a low risk, high reward deal for ATL.

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        • brandonl

          1 year ago

          Low risk? Gave up a potential great player for him.

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        • Travis’ Wood

          1 year ago

          Low risk high reward? How? They already had him under team control for 2025 via an option and now they decided to just guarantee it? Why? Makes zero sense for the Braves…

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        • JCPenny

          1 year ago

          Low risk? They gave more up front money and an extra year. In the 2 years he’s there, they’ll be lucky to get 100 innings out of him.

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        • Smacky

          1 year ago

          It takes Atlanta back under the 3rd level of the luxury tax.

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        • Travis’ Wood

          1 year ago

          How does it lower their luxury tax? I see that in the article but I’m not sure that’s accurate. How was Sale ever going to cost Atlanta $27.5 mil towards the tax? The tax AAV is recalculated after trades and based solely on what the new team is paying…

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        • steelerbravenation

          1 year ago

          A great player nobody wanted as the centerpiece to fill the biggest need on the team. Grissom was blocked & teams with the pitchers the Braves wanted didn’t have a need for Grissom or just wanted more.
          Waldrep & AS-S are clearly as untouchable as Strider & Harris were. Maybe Grissom was an overpay but at the end of the day Sale was the most attainable pitcher they could get at that particular time.

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        • steelerbravenation

          1 year ago

          Lowers the tax rate so they can get a RH hitting OF to pair with JK & not worry about going over the tax.
          Sale is not coming in as the ACE he is coming in as a 3/4 all depending on who is having the better year. He is not being acquired to be a savior.
          He has improved the last 2 yrs albeit at a slow pace but at the end of last year he was pitching better than he has in years. Brave fans expect him to be on the IL for a stint during the year and we are ok with that.
          In 2025 I am assuming As-S & Waldrep are projecting to be ready & Elder will still be pre-arb & Strider already has a team friendly deal. Morton & Fried will both be gone and that frees up money.
          AA knows what he is doing & I have faith in him
          All this points to a RH hitting OF to pair with JK & I expect it to come together quickly. I think he freed up enough room to bring back Duvall.

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        • steelerbravenation

          1 year ago

          Atlanta wasn’t paying $27.5 million after the trade
          Boston kicked in $17 million & &10 million was being deferred.

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        • adj1970

          1 year ago

          The red Sox are now paying for his whole contract for this year

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        • 1984wasntamanual

          1 year ago

          Low risk high reward is the most mis/over used saying on here.

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        • fivepoundbass

          1 year ago

          @1984 #2 is saying a player has been recalled when he gets called up to the majors for the first time.

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        • holecamels35

          1 year ago

          I hate that saying so much anymore. Every deal has its own share of risk.

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        • chiefnocahoma1

          1 year ago

          Great player, he’s a butcher defensively and does not profile to have power. Below average defense at 2B with a .265 average, 15-20 HRs and 15 SB is not only great, it’s what you’d expect for a 2B on a losing club.

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        • chiefnocahoma1

          1 year ago

          Low monetary risk. I guess that wasn’t obvious.

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        • ChicksDigTheLongBaII

          1 year ago

          “Gave up a potential great player for him.”

          A potential great player with no place to play. Grissom was blocked at 2B and 3B, can’t handle SS and hasn’t played an inning of outfield defense. Maybe Boston turns him into an All-Star left fielder, but that’s a really big maybe.

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        • stymeedone

          1 year ago

          High risk, but high reward for Sale. Atlanta is paying him like a reliable starter, which he isn’t. Just because Texas and NYM paid some older and less reliable pitching doesn’t mean its a winning strategy. deGrom had TJ, and the Mets were an utter failure and traded their older pitchers away. Scherzer is now on Texas’ injured list with back surgery.

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        • Joeyg2033

          1 year ago

          If he was great, the Braves wouldn’t have traded him. Rarely, do they trade away players that turn out great.

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        • Dumpster Divin Theo

          1 year ago

          High reward? When he’s 50?

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        • Northeasternskier

          1 year ago

          When he was working with Pedroia on foot work, he looked like he had his shoelaces tied together.
          I’d rather take the chance that Sale would bounce back.

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        • RubexCube1

          1 year ago

          It would take an extreme reversal of fortune for Grissom to be considered great. He has very good bat to ball skills but doesnt project for much power and isnt a very good defender at his natural position of 2B

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      • Braveslifer

        1 year ago

        Zero pressure on him to carry the rotation. Less stress equals more innings

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        • RSmith

          1 year ago

          Getting away from the Red Sox rabid fanbase will improve most players.

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        • runningred

          1 year ago

          Atlanta Braves formerly the Boston Braves, makes sense!

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        • 1984wasntamanual

          1 year ago

          What? I’d love to see your source for less stress = more innings.

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        • bhambrave

          1 year ago

          I can see less stress meaning more pitches in an outing, but that’s stress on the arm, not stress on the psyche.

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      • RunDMC

        1 year ago

        @JayPhilsFan – Chris Sale had 10K in his last start vs. PHI @ CBP on 5/5/23 (Wheeler was the losing pitcher, Bryce played).

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        • Joeyg2033

          1 year ago

          From what I remember, he was hitting 98/99 mph too. Struck out Harper on nasty 99 mph heater. Harper looked completely over matched in that at bat…

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        • JoeBrady

          1 year ago

          IMO, Sale can still bring it-just not every day. If he could, he’d get paid like Snell.

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      • Joeyg2033

        1 year ago

        What are you happy about exactly? That you’ll be facing him in game three of the nlds?

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        • 1984wasntamanual

          1 year ago

          You think Sale is going to make it the whole year? Probably a good move for ATL if that’s the case, I won’t hold my breath though.

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      • Hammerin' Hank

        1 year ago

        Beats paying Taijuan Walker $18 million per

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    • Curly Was The Smart Stooge

      1 year ago

      AA likes to go fishing in MLB waters, apparently he likes to go Saleing as well. A gamble but, like Popeye, maybe a little spinach will go a long way.

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      • UncommonSense

        1 year ago

        Saleing….Who are you Gene Shalit?

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  3. melfman1

    1 year ago

    How does that work with the $17 mill that Boston was paying?

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    • thecrocusesareinbloom

      1 year ago

      Was wondering the same thing, but I’m assuming it gets paid no matter what.

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    • myaccount2

      1 year ago

      It’s overwritten.

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    • dantheman1997

      1 year ago

      It’s a 2 year extension. So that’s what he’ll be paid after this season

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      • Idosteroids

        1 year ago

        its really a 3 year extension. That “club option” on year 3 has no buy out.

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        • Sid Bream Speed Demon

          1 year ago

          Right, which means they don’t owe him money for not picking it up.

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    • fathead0507

      1 year ago

      That 17mill goes towards the 38 total essentially.. he was making 27 initially now he’s making $18 this yr with basically 2025 added for 22mill ..

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      • runningred

        1 year ago

        “He will earn $16MM in 2024 and $22MM in 2025 and there’s also an $18MM club option for 2026.”

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    • Poolhalljunkies

      1 year ago

      The extention is for 25 and 26.isnt it? .thought 24 is already gauranteed regardless who is paying what part..since there was a 20 mil club option already for 25

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  4. LordD99

    1 year ago

    Errr, huh?

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    • YankeesBleacherCreature

      1 year ago

      They see (or hope for) a Charlie Morton trajectory.

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  5. IndianaBraves85

    1 year ago

    Braves love doing this – the trade and sign.

    Beyond Max Fried, the Braves either have control or signed all their stars for multiple years.

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    • carlos15

      1 year ago

      That’s great if they all perform well. If any of these stars become duds they’ll have a lot of big guarantees on their hands.

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      • ChipperChop

        1 year ago

        @carlos they are all below market “big guarantees”. Not one player is signed for over $22 mil per year and none are signed beyond their age 35 season. I’ll take that risk with all day with those 7 players over even two $300m+ FA contracts through age 40 like players are signing today. Good chance all 7+ won’t hit but the risk is extremely low compared to signing FA.

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      • Joeyg2033

        1 year ago

        They always work out. That’s what makes them the best run organization in mlb…

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        • frankiegxiii

          1 year ago

          It’s amazing what the Braves do with their signings, Albies, Acuña, Riley, Harris, Strider all on crazy high value/low cost long term deals. I don’t know if they’re the best run organization in MLB, but they’re definitely the best at convincing their guys to sign long term for way below market value.

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        • JackStrawb

          1 year ago

          Most of these deals weren’t thought of as steals at the time—more like significant risk, significant reward (except for Albies, where everyone was amazed his agent survived this), or in Riley’s case close to market value for a player they controlled until he’d turn 30.

          They guaranteed Riley 6/132m for his age 30-35 seasons in an era where players, even stars, decline extremely quickly after 28, and guaranteed 80m for four arbitration awards.. It was a smart offer, and what does it cost Riley to take out some insurance in return for generational wealth?

          He signed at the b. of August 2022—he’d have all of 1-2/3 great seasons to that point.

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        • stymeedone

          1 year ago

          They are the best at not signing Boras’ clients.

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    • Travis’ Wood

      1 year ago

      Love doing what? Turning an option into a guaranteed contract for no reason? What’s a logic in this for Atlanta?

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      • Jesse Chavez enthusiast

        1 year ago

        @travis

        CBT

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      • Travis’ Wood

        1 year ago

        And how does this help them with the CBT exactly? Sale’s luxury tax hit is higher now…?

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        • Badfinger

          1 year ago

          Read the full article before overreacting.

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        • Travis’ Wood

          1 year ago

          Nothing in the article explains how Sale’s CBT hit could possibly have been $27 mil when the Braves were paying him significantly less than that in 2024 and 2025…. It’s based on AAV so that’s simply not possible. Unless there’s some weird rules that allows it to remain at $27 mil? I’m gonna need an actual breakdown on how Sale was ever going to cost $27 mil for Atlanta

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        • MTDewdWV

          1 year ago

          The full 27.5 MM hit went to Atlanta. Boston alleviated the overall budget hit by 17 MM when they sent the money over. That has no impact on the CBT. This deal drops the CBT hit from 27.5 to 18.

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        • Travis’ Wood

          1 year ago

          But that’s not how CBT works. It’s based on the portion your team is paying, not the entire contract. Why did Spotrac have his tax hit at around $8 mil?

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        • Joeyg2033

          1 year ago

          It lowers the aav which is tied into cbt

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        • Travis’ Wood

          1 year ago

          But it doesn’t lower the AAV for the Braves

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        • YaySports

          1 year ago

          Because you’re reading it wrong. Those previous numbers are based on Sale’s old contract plus the 17 million Boston sent to Atlanta. The new contract overrides the old one and brings Sale’s Tax down to 19 million before you add the 17 from Boston

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      • IndianaBraves85

        1 year ago

        They apparently were confident enough they were going to pick up the option that they went ahead and guaranteed it in exchange for a third team option year in 2026.

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  6. ATL_Bravos

    1 year ago

    Seems like the money is basically the same — they just guaranteed 2025 in order to get an extra option year? I’m guessing the amount Boston is paying and the deferral will remain the same.

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    • Fever Pitch Guy

      1 year ago

      ATL – Yeah, once a trade is consummated the new team can’t change the terms of the trade. The amount the Red Sox agreed to pay at the time of the trade is the amount they will pay no matter what, including deferrals.

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    • Travis’ Wood

      1 year ago

      Money is not basically the same. Sale’s luxury tax hit went from $8 mil to $19 mil. This deal makes absolutely zero sense. They already had a club option!

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      • ATL_Bravos

        1 year ago

        Per the article the $17MM the Red Sox included still counts against this years’ CBT: “That means that Sale was going to have a $27.5MM CBT hit prior to this deal, with the Sox absorbing $17MM of that. But that will now drop to $19MM, leaving just $2MM on Atlanta’s CBT ledger this year but $19MM next year.”

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        • Travis’ Wood

          1 year ago

          I read that but it doesn’t seem accurate? CBT is based on AAV not single year salaries. Am I missing something?

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          1 year ago

          ATL – That “CBT hit prior to this new deal” you’ve stated is incorrect. I’ve written this about his Red Sox contract so many times for so many different websites, I have this memorized:

          It’s a guaranteed 5 year $145M contract.

          2020-2022 $30M each
          2023-2024 $27.5M each

          Present Value is $128M which is why the CBT hit is $25.6M annually.

          In terms of cash, Sox have already paid the full amount each year 2020-2023.

          2020 $20M to Chris, $6.6M to escrow
          2021 $20M to Chris $6.6M to escrow
          2022 $20M to Chris $6.6M to escrow
          2023 $17.5M to Chris $6.6M to escrow

          The Sox have paid $17M towards the $17.5M Chris is scheduled to receive in 2024, with the Braves scheduled to pay Chris the remaining $500K and also the $6.6M to escrow. That is why the Braves CBT hit for 2024 is $8.6M

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        • BraveHokie

          1 year ago

          Correct, CBT is based on AAV, but when a player is traded, the remaining value of the contract is recalculated for AAV. At the time of the trade, his contract was essentially a 1 year with option plus deferral. The option doesn’t count for CBT until executed, so all that’s being calculated is the $27.5M for 2024. However, since $10M of that was deferred until 2039, the present-day value of the contract is used, which according to Jeff Passan, was $20-21M. (Much like Ohtani, being paid $2M/year now and $68M/year deferred. has a CBT hit of ~$46M/year because that’s the present-day value due to the deferrals and interest accruals.)

          Since the new contract is a straight $19M AAV with no deferrals (again, ignoring the option until it’s exercised), Atlanta is seeing a savings of $1-2M on the CBT.

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        • ATL_Bravos

          1 year ago

          Hokle – I agree with all of this. I’m calculating a $2.4M CBT savings but it all depends on the discount rate you use for the NPV.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          1 year ago

          Brave – You’re right, I forgot with the new CBA in 2022 they changed the CBT AAV calculation for traded players.

          You realize it doesn’t make sense though, right?

          So hypothetically let’s say the Marlins traded Stanton to the Yankees halfway through his contract which was $300M over 10 years but heavily backloaded, whereby he gets paid $20M/yr for the first 5 years and $40M/year for the last 5 years.

          AAV is $30M/yr which is the CBT hit the Marlins take every year from Year 1 thru Year 5.

          Under the old CBA, the Yankees would also take a $30M/yr hit, but under the current CBA they would take a $40M/year hit.

          That means for the entire decade the contract is in effect, the total combined CBT hit is $350M which is $50M more than the total amount of the contract!!!

          Bottom line: Owners were morons for agreeing to this change in the CBT calculation.

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        • Travis’ Wood

          1 year ago

          Fever pitch- you realize it would work just the same if the contract was frontloaded right? Sometimes it could help the owners

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        • BraveHokie

          1 year ago

          You’re right, it could work both ways. But I can see why they made the change. It wouldn’t be right for the acquiring team to have a tax impact that takes into account money from previous seasons that they weren’t responsible for. It makes sense for their tax calculation to reflect only what they are paying the player, plus/minus any money changing hands between the two teams. It makes sense, in a way, even if the total tax calculations by both teams can differ from the total value of the contract.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          1 year ago

          Travis – Yes, of course. How often do you see frontloaded contracts though? Basically never, for cashflow purposes.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          1 year ago

          Hokie – It’s a trade we’re talking about. Acquiring team takes on the contract associated with the player. If they don’t want to take the CBT hit for the AAV of the contract, they take it into consideration when discussing players and cash switching hands.

          And what about the team that trades the heavily backloaded contract? Using your logic, how is that fair they took a bigger CBT hit because of the higher AAV from the backloaded portion that they didn’t even have the player for? Why doesn’t the former team at least receive a “credit” for the additional CBT hit they took?

          The two teams combined can end up taking a combined CBT hit that’s larger than the contract, but they can never take a combined CBT hit that’s smaller than the contract. That isn’t fair at all.

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        • Travis’ Wood

          1 year ago

          Fever Pitch- Yes you they could pay a combined CBT hit that’s smaller than the contract…. Like I said before it works both ways. If a player signs a 2 year $15 mil deal with $10 mil the first year and $5 mil the second year then the team will pay $7.5 mil luxury tax hit the first year. If he’s traded the second team would then spend $5 mil for the second season. That totals $12.5 mil which is less than the $15 mil contract….

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          1 year ago

          Travis – You are 100% right, thanks for correcting me. On front loaded contracts the acquiring team would pay less, therefore the combined payments would be less.

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        • stymeedone

          1 year ago

          When expensive players sign with young teams, I have seen front loaded deals to allow for increasing pay of the young players later.

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        • JoeBrady

          1 year ago

          How often do you see frontloaded contracts though?
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          There is also the logic of backloading a contract for AAV purposes. If a poor team signs a guy for a 10-10-10-20-20-20 contract, they only pick up $30M/3. If they then trade them to a tax-paying team, while the acquirer still has to pay $60M/3, their CBT charge is only $45M/3.

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  7. Sunday Lasagna

    1 year ago

    Are the Braves young arms just not as good as been hyped?

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    • Dan Rogers

      1 year ago

      Which young arms? The two with 25 innings between the two of them or the ones in A ball? The rest are either injured, coming back from injuries or Dylan Dodd and as much as I like Dodd in the pen, we was never hyped. The Braves needed a veteran arm, and this gives them one with the potential to be a top end guy. This says nothing of Waldrep, Smith-Shawver, Murphy or Phillips.

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      • getrealgone2

        1 year ago

        Exactly.

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      • PAKMKZ

        1 year ago

        Maybe you mean Ritchie? Phillips was in the SEA trade

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        • Dan Rogers

          1 year ago

          That’s who I meant. They were all drafted together but it was a brain fart

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        • Dumpster Divin Theo

          1 year ago

          Ritchie dancing on the ceiling

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      • ArGee

        1 year ago

        Replace Phillips (who is in Seattle’s system now) with Schwellenbach.

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        • Dan Rogers

          1 year ago

          That’s another one that’s intriguing but I’ve said since draft day he’s destined for the bullpen. He and Bulkhalter are the 8th and 9th inning guys of the future. But he could work out as a starter

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    • BraveHokie

      1 year ago

      I think it was more that AA didn’t want to part with the young arms to acquire the top of the trade market (Cease, Burnes, etc.).

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  8. Juggy

    1 year ago

    The Braves are completely dumb. Horrible contract for a broken individual.

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    • Dan Rogers

      1 year ago

      This comment alone guarantees Sale will receive Cy Young votes this season

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      • Fever Pitch Guy

        1 year ago

        Dan – Agreed! Braves are probably the best run team in MLB, their track record proves it. This is a good gamble, much better one than the Red Sox made with Giolito.

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        • kremer

          1 year ago

          Why is this better than Giolito? I would argue they are totally different. Giolito throws innings (Sale hasn’t recently) and Giolito struggled last year after being traded but still has huge upside. I’m not a fan of either team but putting down the Giolito deal because of this makes no sense to me.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          1 year ago

          kremer – Giolito has been awful for the past two years, each year with an ERA near 5. He hasn’t been injured, so that’s not the reason.

          Sale finished last season very strong, with him it’s just a matter of health. He’s fully capable of an ERA below 3.50 if he can stay healthy.

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      • rondon

        1 year ago

        Hey, he may work out fine, but considering his injury history, and some other odd transactions this winter, it’s fair to wonder about this.

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    • Dc1988

      1 year ago

      The first year is literally free ($1m) and they extended it into 2025 and potentially 2026 at a reduced cost.

      They are on the hook for $20M for 2025 and maybe $18 for 2025. 3yrs 39M is not a bad deal.

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      • 1984wasntamanual

        1 year ago

        If it is $1m, then it is not literally free.

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        • ChicksDigTheLongBaII

          1 year ago

          It’s standard in accounting to show negative values in parentheses. Sale’s salary this year is $16M, the Red Sox are sending Atlanta $17M. The net effect on Atlanta’s payroll is a million bucks lower than it was before, so it’s noted as ($1M).

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      • Dumpster Divin Theo

        1 year ago

        First year not entirely free. They gots to feed him

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    • SoCalBrave

      1 year ago

      All this deal does is lower the CBT hit for the Braves in exchange for guaranteeing the 2nd year and offering am option for a 3rd

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      • Travis’ Wood

        1 year ago

        Nope it doesn’t lower the CBT…. Why would it? Sale’s luxury tax hit is going from $8 mil to $19 mil….

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        • Rking

          1 year ago

          That’s inaccurate no matter how many times you state it.

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        • Travis’ Wood

          1 year ago

          So then explain how Sale’s tax hit was ever going to be $27.5 mil. If it’s based on AAV and recalculated after trades. Do you have an answer?

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        • bhambrave

          1 year ago

          Sale’s pay for 2024 is $28.5, including the $1M assignment bonus. $10M of that is deferred. The deferral has a present day value, which is added to the base pay to reach the AAV. 2025 is not guaranteed, so the AAV for CBT purposes in 2024 is about $26M. Boston is paying $17M, so the CBT hit is about $8M-$9M. The new deal has an AAV of about $19M. Boston is paying it down to $2M.

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        • kenny84

          1 year ago

          Kenny84
          The Braves luxury tax hit before this was $27.5 million. Even with the Red Sox sending $17.5 million in the trade the full amount of his contract went against the Braves for luxuay tax purposes. This deal lowers it down to $19 million.

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        • BraveHokie

          1 year ago

          IT wasn’t $27.5M. Due to the deferral, you have to use the present-day value (because of interest accrual and such). Per Passan, that’s $20-21M.

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        • stymeedone

          1 year ago

          The full contract is assigned to Atlanta. Boston is sending money, but that doesn’t change the amount of the contract. Atlanta will use that money towards paying the contract, but they have to pay the full amount of the contract. Since he is no longer on Boston, no portion of the remaining contract belongs to Boston. Boston is trading Sale and his full contract, along with cash, to Atlanta. (Sorry I was not able to use crayons)

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        • JoeBrady

          1 year ago

          Travis’ Wood9 hours ago
          Nope it doesn’t lower the CBT…. Why would it? Sale’s luxury tax hit is going from $8 mil to $19 mil….
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          It’s $19M less the $17M that the RS send him. It will be a $2M CBT hit in 2024.

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        • JoeBrady

          1 year ago

          So then explain how Sale’s tax hit was ever going to be $27.5 mil.
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          The tax hit was never going to be $27.5M. That was the cash flow hit.

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        • Pachoo

          1 year ago

          It lowers their CBT hit by $8.5M this year, which is huge as they were close to the third bracket, which would move their first round draft pick back by 10 spots.

          His AAv before this extension was 27.5M. With this new extension, the AAV is now $19M. The $17.0M the Red Sox are sending lowers their CBT by that much this season so his total CBT hit before this extension was $27.5M – $17.0M = $10.5M. Now this year’s CBt hit is only $19.0M – $17.0M = $2.0M.

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    • Jesse Chavez enthusiast

      1 year ago

      @juggy

      Yeah the team that got Olson for nothing, extended Acuna and Albies for dirt cheap, traded for the NLCS MVP and World Series MVP, and has their entire infield locked up for the foreseeable future sure is dumb. Do you even think before typing lol

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    • LordD99

      1 year ago

      Going to posit the wild idea that the Braves are not completely dumb.

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      • Jesse Chavez enthusiast

        1 year ago

        @lordd99

        How dare you!

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    • RunDMC

      1 year ago

      Interesting article from MLB.com — his K/9 and BB/9 rates still in line with career. mlb.com/news/how-chris-sale-can-bounce-back-with-t…

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    • Joeyg2033

      1 year ago

      You can’t be as dumb as you sound…

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  9. getrealgone2

    1 year ago

    Interesting. I’m thinking Fried ain’t coming back.

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    • Jesse Chavez enthusiast

      1 year ago

      Yeah, I’ve known that for the last two years, let’s just enjoy him while he is here and wish him luck when he inevitably signs with LA next year lol.

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      • cwsOverhaul

        1 year ago

        Mets will probably pay him a mint in FA since they throttled back (so far) this offseason with Stearns surveying the landscape.

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    • RunDMC

      1 year ago

      Not necessarily, but they’re fortifying the rotation and still would have a place for him. If nothing else, they know Sale’s dollars amount, so they can make a better bid for Fried. Ultimately, ATL’s bid will be well shy of what Fried accepts if he has a healthy/rebound season. I see him as a SF/LAD/LAA next year.

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  10. notagain27

    1 year ago

    Be tough to get two more years out of Sale with poor mechanics and the increased usage of his Slider to get hitters out. Braves will need to manage his innings or else hire another trainer.

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  11. VLTC

    1 year ago

    Interesting move that likely erased almost all of their lux tax hit from Sale this year as it moves down towards the $17M paid by the Sox.

    The question then becomes what is in it for Sale? Adding a year and $10M sounds low, especially when he was sitting on a $20M team option. I’m guessing they might have removed the deferral of $10M that was on this year’s salary. That’s a big boost in real value.

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    • Travis’ Wood

      1 year ago

      How does this erase almost all of their luxury tax hit from Sale? The tax hit was only $8 mil before this extension, and now it’ll be higher…

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      • Slow day at work

        1 year ago

        @Travis’Wood At some point you must realize that maybe is not everyone else who is wrong, but you are.

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        • YaySports

          1 year ago

          If he says it more times maybe it will come true though lol

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      • JoeBrady

        1 year ago

        It’s fairly simple n this case.

        1-Atlanta owes Sale $19M in 2024 (for tax purposes).

        2-The RS are sending $17M to Atlanta to cover his 2024 salary.

        3-Atlanta takes a $2M hit in 2024.

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  12. just_thinkin

    1 year ago

    The Braves seem to just be paying extra money for dudes for no reason. What is the upside of this? Bizarre.

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    • deGrom/Langford Texas Ranger

      1 year ago

      It lowers the salary this year by 10 MM.

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    • SoCalBrave

      1 year ago

      Lowering the Luxury Tax. The Braves were at just under 1M below the 3rd bracket. now they should be below the 2nd bracket

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      • Travis’ Wood

        1 year ago

        How does it lower the luxury tax? Sale’s luxury tax hit for the Braves before this move was only $8 mil

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        • bigalcathey

          1 year ago

          T wood, it was 27.5 million.

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        • Travis’ Wood

          1 year ago

          How was it $27.5 mil if it was based on AAV? Atlanta was paying him $10 mil in 2039 before this deal…. According to Spotrac his luxury tax hit was $8 mil. I just looked at their site yesterday. Where is the $27.5 coming from?

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    • BraveHokie

      1 year ago

      It drops the luxury tax hit for 2024 by $3-4M, by my math, giving some cushion under the 3rd tax threshold.

      Posted this elsewhere:
      “When a player on an existing deal is traded, the luxury tax hit is recomputed for the remaining value of the deal. Per Passan’s tweet, the present value of his previous deal ($17.5M in 2024, $10M deferred to 2039) is somewhere between $20-21M. Since at the time of the trade, it was essentially a one-year deal (with option, which doesn’t factor in until exercised), that whole cap hit luxury tax valuation falls in 2024.

      “The new deal is for $16M in 2024 and $22M in 2025 (plus a 2026 option, which again doesn’t factor in right now). For luxury tax purposes, it’s counted as an AAV of $17M in 2024 and 2025. So AA has reduced the tax implications of Sale’s contract by $3-4M for 2022, giving the Braves some breathing room between their tax number and the third threshold. Solid work by the front office.”

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      • BraveHokie

        1 year ago

        Saw my mistake too late to edit the above comment. The new deal is an AAV of $19M, so the reduction is $1-2M. Math is hard. Still good work though.

        And I still don’t know how the $17M from Boston factors in. I know that outgoing money still counts against a teams tax number; the $10M (or whatever the number is) that we sent the Rangers with Odorizzi was on the Braves’ books in 2023. But does the incoming money lower our tax number, or do nothing? And if it lowers it, does it do it all in 2024, or is it split across 2024 and 2025, since it’s now a 2 year deal for luxury tax purposes?

        Inquiring minds want to know.

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      • Pachoo

        1 year ago

        It lowers their CBT hit this year by $8.5M.

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  13. unglar

    1 year ago

    AA never met a player he didn’t want to extend… Interesting for Sale, if he has an Ace year he will have missed out on some serious money but if he pitches average he’s probably paid accordingly. The Braves might be the only team to keep pace with the Dodgers this year. Or next…

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    • PAKMKZ

      1 year ago

      Soler and Pederson disagree

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    • showfeet

      1 year ago

      Dansby disagrees as well

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      • unglar

        1 year ago

        Weren’t there rumors he wanted to extend Swanson before his last year? Just because they didn’t sign an extension doesn’t mean they weren’t offered one.

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  14. deGrom/Langford Texas Ranger

    1 year ago

    The Red Sox could have basically done the same by extending him for 10.5 MM next year and calling it a 2/38 deal, with a team option for 18 MM. Sale made a lot of money, so he is fine not taking risks and accepting the 10 MM and possible 18 MM extra payout. Considering how Montas, Lynn, and Gibson all got way more, this is a steal. Even Mahle got more money.

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    • fivepoundbass

      1 year ago

      The Red Sox did even better, because they got Grissom

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    • all in the suit that you wear

      1 year ago

      Sale will be 35 in March. I am happy the Red Sox did not extend him. It doesn’t seem like a good gamble to me.

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    • JoeBrady

      1 year ago

      The Red Sox could have basically done the same
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      FWIW, I wanted the RS to guarantee his $20M option in exchange for two cheap option years in 2026-27.

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      • Intothemystic90

        1 year ago

        Me too man, me too. I wanted Sale to retire a Red Sox. 🙁

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  15. Jesse Chavez enthusiast

    1 year ago

    I actually like this move, Morton is sure to retire after this year and this locks Sale in for a cheaper price than what they are paying Morton. Sale is still putting up insane strikeout numbers and his metrics are still there. They are essentially paying him the price that #4 starters are getting paid this off-season. The cost for pitching is extremely high now as everyone can see, if he can even give you 15 starts a year it is well worth this contract.

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  16. BraveHokie

    1 year ago

    We need to know the important information about this contract, such as whether or not it includes 1% to the Braves Foundation.

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    • stephentr

      1 year ago

      Yes, it was mentioned in the press release.

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  17. Jabronie23

    1 year ago

    I liked this deal for both sides initially, but I don’t see the logic in this at all. Basically just converted his 2025 option to guaranteed money, all for a 2026 option. Risky for a mid-30’s pitcher who’s always injured

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    • Travis’ Wood

      1 year ago

      Exactly. While also raising Sale’s luxury tax hit from $8 mil to $19 mil. It doesn’t make any sense

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      • BraveHokie

        1 year ago

        You keep using that $8M number. I’m not sure that’s accurate. Where are you getting that?

        Per Jeff Passan (twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1742928036302028936) the present day value of his traded contract was $20-21M, which is what the luxury tax hit is based off of.

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        • Travis’ Wood

          1 year ago

          Luxury tax is based solely on the new teams AAV. Doesn’t matter what he made previously in Boston. That $8 mil number was found on Spotrac before they updated with this most recent contract. I saw it when the trade was first announced

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      • Jabronie23

        1 year ago

        I don’t think it raises their luxury tax hit

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      • BravesNomad

        1 year ago

        Please explain or show your math on this.

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        • Travis’ Wood

          1 year ago

          I did explain and also provided my source for the $8 mil number. I’m gonna need some sourcing and math on how the CBT hit has been lowered if his AAV with the Braves is now $19 mil

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        • BraveHokie

          1 year ago

          See my reply to one of your posts above.

          TL,DR: Due to the deferrals, the present-day value of his $27.5M contract (which is all that remains of his Boston contract) is $20-21M. This new contract lowers that to a 2-yr $19M AAV, for a savings of $1-2M.

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        • Travis’ Wood

          1 year ago

          That’s not how it works. Braves were never on the hook for $20-21 mil. Their tax hit was around $8.5 mil before this deal (present day value of the $10.5 they owed to Sale in 2039). Now the AAV is $19 mil with the Sox picking up $17 mil. That either makes the Braves tax hit $2 mil this year and $19 mil next year (around $6.5 mil savings this year), or if it’s evenly distributed then the Braves tax hit would be $10.5 mil per season (around $1.5 mil loss this season). The article says it’s the first way while Spotrac has it the second way. Not sure high is accurate but either way the $1-2 mil in savings is not accurate

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        • BraveHokie

          1 year ago

          I see where our numbers are differing. We’re using different sources for the present-day valuation of the initial contract. Sale’s contract with Boston was for 27.5M in 2024, with $10M of that deferred until 2039. When he was traded, the Braves assumed that portion of the contract, along with $17M to pay that down (which we’ll set aside for the moment).

          The Braves CBT hit on the initial contract is the present-day valuation of the contract for 2024, less the $17M paydown. It appears that Spotrac is valuing that at ~$25.5M (essentially meaning $8M put into escrow for the deferral, not $10M), from which they were subtracting $17M to get an $8.5M CBT hit. I was using Jeff Passan’s present-day valuation, which he reported to be $20-21M (meaning $2.5-3.5M put into escrow); subtracting $17M from that would yield a $3-4M CBT hit.

          Either way, the new contract’s $19M AAV (with no deferrals screwing up that calculation), less the $17M paydown, still results in a smaller CBT hit from whichever present-day valuation you use. And with 15 years to when the deferral is paid out, you’re probably going to have to escrow away a lot less than 80% of the deferral value.

          So I think we’re not really talking apples and oranges, just differing valuations on the amount to put aside for the deferral in the initial contract.

          And I concur with you that the CBT hit is now $2M this year and $19M next year.

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        • Travis’ Wood

          1 year ago

          I get that. What I’m trying to understand is why the money from Boston only applies to this year. Why is the tax hit for Atlanta $2 mil this year and $19 next year instead of $10.5 mil both years? That’s actually how Spotrac has it listed right now…. I could see both ways so just trying so understand which is correct

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        • BraveHokie

          1 year ago

          That’s a good question. My assumption is because it was a transfer between teams, and at the time of the transfer, Sale was on a one-year deal. IT would have gotten slotted into 2024 because 2025 was an option. I guess it remains to be seen if that then gets spread between years if the player signs a multi-year deal after the trade.

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        • Travis’ Wood

          1 year ago

          Yeah the fine details can be confusing, but they greatly alter my perception of the deal. It only makes sense if ATL is lowering their luxury tax so I’m guessing the article is correct…. Even though the $10.5 mil each year makes sense too….

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        • Tigers3232

          1 year ago

          The $ from BOS was factored in at time of trade. Any extension after does not change BOS end, that was wrote in stone at the time of the trade.

          Due to BOS end already being locked, that gave Braves the opportunity to significantly lowering CBT hit for 2024.

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        • bhambrave

          1 year ago

          I think the CBT is calculated on the actual AAV, and Boston is just paying it down some. So Atlanta’s CBT is 19/year, and the paycheck is 16/22. Boston is paying 17 of that, 16 in 2024 and 1 in 2025. CBT isn’t a real number, just a computation. All 17 of Boston’s contribution applies to the 2024 CBT.

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        • Tigers3232

          1 year ago

          @Bham, yes the $17M BOS owes was locked at time of trade and they take CBT hit. The extension factors after giving Braves an opportunity to use CBT language in their favor and structuring extension accordingly.

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        • Tigers3232

          1 year ago

          @Travis the $17M is locked, it was at time of trade. The reason being the trading team is making the deal and projecting current and future financial implications at time of trade. So CBT locks it in accordingly for that purpose.

          Any extension after the fact gets calculated at time of extension. Then the old terms are applied last. In this case Sale signs an extension recalculation his AAV. Then the $17M already set in stone is factored in against the new terms. So since the trade trumps the extension the $17M is still subtracted from the new AAV of restructured contract.

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  18. RunDMC

    1 year ago

    AA needs to take some time to extend himself.

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    • BraveHokie

      1 year ago

      Please.

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  19. JV

    1 year ago

    Keep him off of bicycles and watch that pitch count Mr. Anthopolous …… You’re investing in a glass man….

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    • RunDMC

      1 year ago

      Look what LAD just committed to a Glas-now (only 2 seasons of 100+ IP, never more than 120 IP/season).

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      • 1984wasntamanual

        1 year ago

        One is 30, one is 34.

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        • RunDMC

          1 year ago

          So LAD commits ~$100M more for Glasnow to do something he’s never done before in his 6 previous seasons and surpass 21 GS or 120 IP/season?

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  20. Travis’ Wood

    1 year ago

    Braves already had a team option for 2025…. And now just guaranteed it? Which causes Sale’s luxury tax hit to go from $8 mil to $19 mil? What’re they doing??

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    • bhambrave

      1 year ago

      You’ve said this like, 10 times. AA doesn’t like deferrals and he likes options without payouts. The AAV is $19M and Boston is paying that down to $2M in 2024. The Braves have a potential of about $86M coming off the books after 2024, so the CBT hit in 2025 could drop to 0.

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      • Travis’ Wood

        1 year ago

        CBT but could drop to 0? Huh? And the 2024 payroll is irrelevant for the CBT…. It’s based on AAV which is now higher

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        • bhambrave

          1 year ago

          No it’s not. His AAV is lower, and Boston is paying it down to $2M in 2024. The Braves payroll in 2025 will drop below the lowest CBT threshold, before any new additions. The Braves have a chance to reset their CBT penalties.

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        • Travis’ Wood

          1 year ago

          Nope his AAV is much higher now. What’re you talking about? Braves were paying $10 mil (in deferred money) before this deal and are now paying $19 mil?

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        • Austin Olson

          1 year ago

          You should really educate yourself on how the CBT is calculated.

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        • Travis’ Wood

          1 year ago

          Then explain Austin. How does it work?

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        • bhambrave

          1 year ago

          The Braves are still getting $17M from Boston, so they’re only paying $2M in 2024.

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        • BraveHokie

          1 year ago

          This, Travis. Your ~$8M number factors in the $17M sent from Boston. The $19M we’re calculating is just the AAV, without factoring in the $17M savings. That’s what brings it down to $2M.

          When both of us factor in (or don’t) the $17M from Boston, our numbers are both trending the same way, just different magnitudes, which I think are just from differing amounts put in escrow for the initial deferral (which is no more with the second contract).

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        • Tigers3232

          1 year ago

          @Travis the $17M BOS is on the hook for CBT purposes was locked in at time of trade. Any extension only affects ATL going forward. So since the $17M does not change, it does not completely recalculate AAV.

          Basically to try and easy this, when a trade occurs any $ owed by old club per season(s) is locked. Any extension there after is calculated after the terms at time of trade for old club is factored in.

          You are looking at it in a vacuum and assuming all things are equal which they are not. Think of the PEMDAS rules for math, $ owed by BOS for 2024 is in parentheses, Braves CBT #s are only affected by equation outside of parentheses.

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        • stymeedone

          1 year ago

          I knew I should have used crayons!

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        • stymeedone

          1 year ago

          Regardless of whether Atlanta uses the Boston money to pay Sale, or to do improvements on the stadium, doesn’t matter. Sale is owed the full amount and Atlanta is the team responsible for the WHOLE amount. That was the original CBT amount, before the contract was restructured.

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        • Tigers3232

          1 year ago

          Boston paid the $ owed upfront. For CBT purposes, that $ goes against BOS for 2024, that is what is relevant.

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  21. User 4223176798

    1 year ago

    Nice move by the Braves. A win-win for the Braves and Sale. Dodgers, Braves, D’Backs, Reds – all making moves to win. Giants – not so much. Farhan napping.

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  22. Braves Butt-Head

    1 year ago

    So they don’t have to pay him $10 in 2039?

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    • vacommish

      1 year ago

      Correct. Sale traded that in for the guaranteed 2025 contract.

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  23. Old York

    1 year ago

    500 strikeout season incoming.

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    • stymeedone

      1 year ago

      Doubt Sale gets that many ABs.

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  24. Rsox

    1 year ago

    While not nearly as expensive this extension is to the Braves what the Russell Wilson extension was to the Broncos. Wait and see how he performs before giving him more years and more money. This could work out in the Braves favor or it could be a horrendous disaster just like Wilson has been in Denver

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    • YaySports

      1 year ago

      The Braves now owe Sale 2/21. I doubt they’re too worried about it.

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  25. msclmn1722

    1 year ago

    Great move by ATL. The training staff has proven they are elite. Many players over 150G over the past few years. The SP depth allows for this move. Having Waldrep, AJSS, Ynoa, Dodd and others in reserve are the key to this. Use Sale wisely and manage his workload to prepare for October

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  26. xpensivewinos

    1 year ago

    Red Sox made a great trade here. Sale has been worthless for four years. Enough already. The fact that they got a player with Grissom’s potential upside for him, with that many years of club control, is a fantastic trade.

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  27. Slider_withcheese

    1 year ago

    He won’t make it past his second spring training start, but yeah great move and all.

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  28. For Love of the Game

    1 year ago

    Great deal for Chris Sale, though. He collects $17.5 mill. from the Braves plus $16 mill. from the Red Sox for 2024 plus another $10 mill. in 10 years. That’s Scherzer/Verlander money! Plus another $22 mill. in 2025.

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    • Slow day at work

      1 year ago

      The 10 Million deferred is gone

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    • YaySports

      1 year ago

      That’s not how this works lol. Sale will make 19 million this year. That 17 from Boston goes to Atlanta not Sale

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  29. bravesfan

    1 year ago

    I’m also guessing some of this is the Braves didn’t want to pay someone for 15 years not playing for them. I don’t really see the problem in doing this and kinda curious how this will affect luxury tax. But lord, if he returns to his old self, this is gonna be a great deal.

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  30. fenwayfrank

    1 year ago

    Quite a gamble, but good luck to The Braves and Sale too. Great guy, but his best days are behind him.

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  31. kenny84

    1 year ago

    This lowers thier luxury tax hit this year and gives Sale a big show of confidence from the team. Baseball is as much mental as it is physical and with this he knows he’s in a place that wants him there, values him and is set to win.

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  32. mlb fan

    1 year ago

    AA is either stark raving mad or a 3D chess champion genius. The 2024 MLB season will likely determine which.

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  33. AC Surf Baseball

    1 year ago

    Braves have made some interesting and productive moves. Think the Phillies should be trying to trim the fat from their roster and turn it into a SP or CL. Teams like the Brewers & Guardians are deprived of power, but also value quality contact. A package from the Phillies consisting of D. Hall 1B, S. Mizzuiotti CF, E. Wilson OF plus a trio of young arms not named Painter or Abel- McGarry, Aldegheri, Ottenbriet we’ll say- shouldn’t that be enough to get a conversation going about Burnes, Bieber or Clase? Ton of CF depth with Marsh, Pache, Rojas & Mizzuiotti on the roster. Hall is a lock for 20 HR’s if he gets 400 AB’s somewhere.

    Then I’d sign Jordan Hicks & Joey Gallo to ML deals- James Kaperlian, Wil Meyers, Kevin Smith & Austin Nola to MiL deals.

    Don’t sleep on the Braves or the Phillies to come swoop in at the last minute and give Hader that record breaking contract he’s looking for either.
    If you look at Hader’s numbers, he may be worth the 6/135 or more he’s looking for.

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    • Dan Rogers

      1 year ago

      lol no

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    • Slow day at work

      1 year ago

      I can guarantee that the Braves won’t sign Hader to anything close to a “record breaking contract”

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  34. msclmn1722

    1 year ago

    An under appreciated part of this is the effect it will have on Strider. The experience he can provide will help Strider mentally as a pitcher. Not many guys can relate to a fastball slider bulldog mentality pitcher with the pressure of being an ace at 21 or 22. Strider will get even better

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  35. mlb fan

    1 year ago

    “A big show of confidence”..Good points. And having the potent Braves offense behind them will likely give any pitcher confidence.

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  36. HALfromVA

    1 year ago

    I would have expected the Braves to wait until after the all-star break to visit a extension, just to see if Sale could stay healthy that long.

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  37. Never Remember

    1 year ago

    This move is so stupid. Saving tax dollars this year but having to pay them next year for a pitcher who is most likely going to be injured by May is proving that AA has jumped the shark with trying to show how smart he is.

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  38. LordD99

    1 year ago

    The Braves received $17MM from the Red Sox while reducing Sale’s 2024 obligation to only $16MM, while eliminating the $10MM deferred obligation 15 years out. For that financial gain, they in essence picked up and guaranteed the 2025 option (which they almost assuredly were going to pick up anyway) at a slight increase, while giving the team a new option they control for 2026. Basically, they get Chris Sale for two years at an AAV of $10.5MM, with an option on a third.

    Smart financial move. The risk is minimal due to the low dollar amount when balanced against the upside.

    This doesn’t negate that the trade was also a good deal for the Red Sox by getting Grissom. This new contract is separate.

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    • PiratesPundit51

      1 year ago

      I’m glad I’m not an MLB GM, that’s a substantial amount for a guy who’s almost certain to test your SP depth. A 100-inning sample after 3 years of different health issues isn’t much proof that Sale resembles anything similar to his 2018 form. He’s also 5 years older and doesn’t really have the best mechanics to avoid further injury as he gets even older.

      But with all that said, it seems like this is the going rate as teams are desperate for anything resembling a reliable and consistent pitcher.

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  39. Baseball77

    1 year ago

    Has FZ thought about trading Michael Conforto and Mitch Haniger to the Braves? Seems like a good deal.

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    • RunDMC

      1 year ago

      Doesn’t have the balls to do it.

      (sorry)

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  40. Chuck from Uniontown

    1 year ago

    In an offseason largely defined by being quiet, AA is just wheeling and dealing.

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  41. RocDog19

    1 year ago

    L.A. makes the headlines but Atlanta building their team…

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  42. UncommonSense

    1 year ago

    Deferred money?? Something something cheating something something ruining baseball something something tax cheat… or does that only apply to the dodgers?

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    • RunDMC

      1 year ago

      Sale has 10M of 145M total deferred (6.8% deferred), I believe.
      Ohtani has 680M of 700M deferred (97.1% deferred)

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      • UncommonSense

        1 year ago

        Something something

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        • RunDMC

          1 year ago

          This isn’t the first time LAD has deferred vast amounts of money, Freeman has 57M deferred until 2043 (zero interest) of his 162M he signed with them (35.1% deferred) — but Ohtani’s got so much press b/c of how much was deferred (97.1% of the contract deferred).

          You’re really grasping at straws if you’re comparing 10M to 680M.

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      • BraveHokie

        1 year ago

        Sale had 50M deferred. $10M each year from 2035-2039. The first four years have already been paid to escrow by the Red Sox. The last year was just voided by the new contract.

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    • NashvilleJeff

      1 year ago

      That deferred money was part of his contract w/the Red Sox. Point your little finger at them. The Braves don’t defer money.

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  43. Poolhalljunkies

    1 year ago

    He was owed 27.5 mil in 2024..now just 16..so an 11.5 mil paycut to make 1 extra year ? At below 20..how does aa get players to do this wow

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    • CKinSTL

      1 year ago

      Much of that money Sale would have earned in 2024 was deferred. It seems that is no longer the case with the extension and he gets an extra $10.5 million in guaranteed new money.

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    • bhambrave

      1 year ago

      His entire remaining money under the old deal was worth about $22M in present day value (pdv). If the Braves had exercised his option, then he’d have gotten about $40M total in pdv. By reworking the deal, he gets a second year guaranteed and the Braves save about $6.5M in CBT AAV.

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  44. dramsey10

    1 year ago

    Now go sign Trevor Bauer and let’s win a world series!

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    • LordD99

      1 year ago

      I see Bauer is on a bit of a media tour trying to do some image control. I suspect it’s going to take another year if good behavior before some team gives him a shot. Likely back to Japan in 2024.

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    • Slow day at work

      1 year ago

      Bauer is the type of player the Braves don’t sign.

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  45. Mercenary.Freddie.Freeman

    1 year ago

    I like the Vaughn Grissom/ Chris Sale trade better now. Appears Sale wants to play for a contender.

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  46. Outfieldflyrule??

    1 year ago

    Braves luxury tax hit for 2024 becomes 2MM(38MM/2 less 17MM from Sox)…2025 hit becomes $19MM. Reduces 2024 hit from 10.5MM($27.5MM less 17MM from Sox) by $8.5MM with this extension. Should allow Braves to sign a RH hitting 4th OF and still stay under third threshold of $277MM and not lose 10 spots for 1st pick and further fees. Still should allow Braves to reset vs luxury tax in 2025 when Fried, Morton and Ozuna all fall off payroll.

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  47. Saint Nick

    1 year ago

    Not sure giving another guaranteed year to Mr. Glass is the proper use of funds but here we are.

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  48. big_balls_mahoney

    1 year ago

    Major gamble for the braves here. This offseason has the potential to be great if kelenic and sale show out this year, but with all the potentially dead money they picked up, including sale if he’s always hurt, this offseason could end up looking to be a disaster

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  49. showfeet

    1 year ago

    The writing has been on the wall for Fried for some time now, but it’s 1000% that he’s leaving in free agency. Shame. Feel like he could have anchored that rotation for a decade. On the other hand, AA is rarely, if ever wrong, so I’m guessing he must not see him as durable over the long haul.

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    • RunDMC

      1 year ago

      Fried missed time in 2023 for a forearm strain (1 TJ in 2014). He’s also missed time thrice (blisters) and twice (hamstring) over the years. With his repertoire, I’d imagine we’ll see him miss more time due to blisters. If Sale is injury-prone, is Fried?

      Sure, Max is 5 years younger than Sale and both have had 1 TJ a piece, and both have missed time in 2023 for either forearm strain (Fried – May ’23) or shoulder inflammation (Sale – June ’23). While Sale has a much longer resume, it also comes with more miles. However, he’s still getting similar career strikeout/walk totals with less FB zip.

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  50. FanOfTheUmpires

    1 year ago

    Hall of Famer, vastly underrated.

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    • BoSoXaddict

      1 year ago

      Pretty sure the HoF ship has “saled” for Chris unless he turns in to Verlander for the remainder of his career.

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  51. 1984wasntamanual

    1 year ago

    So they gave up Grissom and still had to extend him to make it work for the CBT? Seems less than ideal.

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  52. JackStrawb

    1 year ago

    Interesting that they’d spend this but not sign Montgomery or trade for Cease or Burnes.

    It’s clear that with the division title locked up for years they’re looking for starters who can go in the postseason, but Sale isn’t really that guy unless they do something unprecedented like tell him “take a vacation until the ASB, then tune up in Gwinnet and meet us in August.”

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  53. Joel P

    1 year ago

    I feel like Anthopolos is trying to make deals intentionally complicating so casual fans don’t understand what he’s doing.

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    • bhambrave

      1 year ago

      As a fan, I prefer deals that have buyout-free options and no deferrals. Much simpler.

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  54. JoeBrady

    1 year ago

    So they basically replace a one-year salary of $27.5M (plus a $20M option) to a two-year salary of $38M (plus an $18M option).

    So their downside risk is $10.5M. And they save maybe $3-4M on their 2024 CBT?

    Pretty fancy work by AA.

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    • Joel P

      1 year ago

      They weren’t paying the 27.5 million they were only paying 10 million.

      It’s really confusing….

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      • bhambrave

        1 year ago

        Boston would be paying $17M under either scenario.

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        • Joel P

          1 year ago

          Yes and that makes it more confusing.

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    • bhambrave

      1 year ago

      I think they’re saving closer to $6.5M in CBT. Cot’s Contracts has them down for a $25.5M CBT hit in 2024 (including the PDV of the deferral). This drops to $19M under the new contract.

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      • Joel P

        1 year ago

        Numerous times this offseason I have had discussions about the Braves moves and either me or the people I was talking to were wrong about who gets paid what and when.

        I have read the details a couple times now and it’s still not making sense to me yet.

        I THINK this is a good move by the Braves. But Anthopolos is making some weird moves and doing weird things.

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        • bhambrave

          1 year ago

          I think Cots Contracts does a good job of showing it in a spreadsheet. They haven’t updated for this latest contract yet, but they should in the next day or two.

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        • Joel P

          1 year ago

          Every move that the Braves have made this offseason has been complicating nonsense. Trading for Carpenter to get a reliever and then releasing him. Trading for Stassi then trading him away and paying his salary in the process.

          The natural instinct is to look at this extension and forget that the Red Sox are paying 17 million to Sale.

          It’s extremely confusing when it really doesn’t have to be.

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        • RunDMC

          1 year ago

          @Joel P – Braves didn’t trade for Carpenter, he was the dead weight attached to 5 years of RP Ray Kerr. They didn’t trade for Stassi, he was the dead weight attached to IF David Fletcher. They released or traded both within a week of acquisition.

          While I admit not everyone, me included, can’t see the transactions for their full value yet, since there are quite a bit of dollars and luxury tax implications involved, but to not extend Alex the Greek an olive branch is limiting.

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        • bhambrave

          1 year ago

          The only thing that disappoints me about AA’s trades is how much he was willing to pay on the Gonzales and Stassi trades. He did the same thing on the Melancon deal. Surely he could have squeezed out an extra million or two on each of those deals?

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        • Joel P

          1 year ago

          Why trade for Carpenter just to release him? Why not just include cash instead? And don’t the Braves have to pay tax on that salary they are paying Carpenter?

          Stassi same thing. Why trade for him if you are just going to dump him off? I think both guys were worth more than the league minimum but they weren’t treated like that.

          Then you got the 5 for 1 deal for a reliever? That deal was silly.

          I am not saying these are bad moves. I like Sale but I like him better on a team with depth which isn’t the Braves. These moves just seem like boredom.

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        • bhambrave

          1 year ago

          The five-for-one deal makes sense if you remember that the Braves had a lot of players who were out of options on the 40-man roster. This cleared some space and brought back a fastballing lefty.

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        • Joel P

          1 year ago

          Bummer is a good bounce back candidate but he has a nice sized contract. And I really didn’t like bringing Morton back at 20 million either.

          It just seems like if the team was willing to spend like they have they could have done things differently. The team has almost no depth at all. Great starters in the rotation and lineup both but no depth.

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        • bhambrave

          1 year ago

          I agree. They’re pretty top-heavy right now. I think that’s why AA traded Grissom for Sale rather than trying to trade for one of the younger pitchers like Cease. He just didn’t want to empty the farm that much. It needs to be built back up.

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        • Joel P

          1 year ago

          Looking at mlb.coms prospect list for 2022 for the Braves 7 out of their top 10 prospects are now playing for another team.

          I don’t hate the Braves moves this offseason. I just think it was a lot of wasted time for not a lot of benefit.

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        • bhambrave

          1 year ago

          How many of those seven are in the majors and playing well?

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        • Joel P

          1 year ago

          We will see in 3 years

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        • RunDMC

          1 year ago

          Why is that so odd? The failure rate is high on most prospects. Of the top-10 you referenced, the top 2 (Strider, Harris II) were NL RoY and #5 (Elder) was 2023 NL All-Star whom they got 31 GS from. Muller was used for Murphy trade., but Muller is also 26 y/o and not a prospect. Shewmake is 26, Tucker Davidson is 27. Tarnok/Shuster both 25 — these guys are getting to be out of options. They were getting passed on the depth chart and dealt them for something before losing them for nothing.

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        • bhambrave

          1 year ago

          Joel, that’s really my point. The Braves have a window, and they’ve used those prospects to pry that window open as far as they can. Would you rather they go for it now, or conserve their prospect resources and fall short?

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      • JoeBrady

        1 year ago

        I think they’re saving closer to $6.5M in CBT. Cot’s Contracts has them down for a $25.5M CBT hit in 2024 (including the PDV of the deferral). This drops to $19M under the new contract.
        ================================
        Under the old contract, the CBT salary was ~$8.5. Under the new contract, his CBT salary is $2M. So they save ($8.5M-$2M) or $6.5M * 42%. That’s where I got the $3-4M, though it appears to be a lot closer to $3M in tax savings.

        But I had already put the abacus away.

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        • Pachoo

          1 year ago

          This saves exactly $8.5M off their CBT payroll this year. It goes from an AAV of 27.5M to an AAV of 19.0M. 8.5M saved this year which is huge as they were up against the the third cbt threshold. Next year it adds CBT but they have so much money coming off the books that they can likely reset CBT next year anyways.

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  55. AA's Burner Phone

    1 year ago

    Braves need to give AA an extension. He has more than earned it. And the Braves can’t lose him.

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  56. HatlessPete

    1 year ago

    Go home AA, you’re drunk bruh.

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  57. Rishi

    1 year ago

    They likely view this as a replacement contract once Morton is gone. So to them it’s just reallocation probably and an extra lottery ticket for 2026. I was a bit puzzled but the tax situation clarified much of this. Not that it would be that odd anyway but he doesn’t pitch much.

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  58. bhambrave

    1 year ago

    Cot’s has updated their website. They have the Braves dropping their CBT amount in 2024 from $272.1M to $265.6M.

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  59. bcjd

    1 year ago

    As a Red Sox fan, I can’t fathom what the Braves were thinking with this move. Save on the luxury tax this year, then throw it all away next year?

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    • bhambrave

      1 year ago

      Their current 2025 CBT commitments are about $185M. They may be able to dip below the lowest threshold.

      This lowers their 2024 commitments to about $265M, which gives them some wiggle room for additions now or at the deadline.

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      • cash3w

        1 year ago

        It makes a ton of sense. Do you think another factor could have been that they wanted to get the deferred payment off the books sooner?

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        • bhambrave

          1 year ago

          I think that’s a big part of it. AA doesn’t like future dead money, like deferrals or buyouts.

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        • BraveHokie

          1 year ago

          That was probably a consideration. The Braves don’t generally do deferred contracts. But I think the main reason was (a) lowering the CBT hit to make some space below the 3rd CBT threshold, and (b) they think they were going to end up exercising the option anyways, so might as well get something for that early. Guaranteeing that second year (b) allowed them to extract concessions from Sale that were used to do (a), and the 2026 option was just a bonus if he really does stay somewhat healthy because when healthy, this guy is an absolute stud.

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      • JoeBrady

        1 year ago

        Their current 2025 CBT commitments are about $185M. They may be able to dip below the lowest threshold.
        ============================
        The dude is a genius. Atl is going to duck under the cap, while Philly and the NYM will be spending $275M, and Atl will still be a substantial favorite to win the division.

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    • Murphy NFLD

      1 year ago

      But you really need to look at it as because the sox are paying 16m to ATL they get sale for 2 years and 22M. I guarantee you any team in this league would take sale for 2 years and 22M.

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  60. Cora the Destroya

    1 year ago

    They should have waited to see if he would pitch most of the season before signing him to an extension.

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  61. NZ Braves Fan

    1 year ago

    Perhaps a condition of Sale waiving his no trade clause was that the Braves had to pick up his 2025 option and now AA has just extended that option year and saved the Braves some money on the AAV.
    Looks like a calculated risk option to me.

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  62. Joe Robbins

    1 year ago

    They will get 150 innings total these 2 years. So they will pay him $253,333 per inning to pitch. He’s Sandy Koufax x 10!

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  63. THEY LIVE!!!

    1 year ago

    Chris Sale is not someone I’d invest in.
    That said.
    How about them Dodgers❓

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    • Murphy NFLD

      1 year ago

      Really you have to look at it as the braves get Sale for 2 years and 22m. Relief pitching gets 11 per year. Even if sale only pitches 200 innings over the next 2 years and its anything close to what he has done its a win. Worst case he only pitches 50-100 this season due to injury and fatigue then they piggy back him next year with a young guy coming up or someone else coming off injury. Dont they have a guy due back next season from a TJ? If thats the case have both guys pitch 4-5 a start and if they are both opposite handedness then you just play match ups with who actually starts the game.

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      • BraveHokie

        1 year ago

        You also get a higher draft pick, because without the extension, the Braves would probably end up exceeding the 3rd CBT threshold, losing 10 spots on their highest draft pick.

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      • THEY LIVE!!!

        1 year ago

        Murphy
        If you think you’re getting more than 10 starts out of Sale then you’re kidding yourself.

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    • AL B DAMNED

      1 year ago

      DODGERS ARE IN A SIMILAR SITUATION WITH GLASNOW, PLUS THE DODGERS HAD TO CHEAT THE CBT TAX TO OBTAIN HIM! HOW ABOUT THEM DODGERS???..THEY ARE CHEATERS!!

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      • THEY LIVE!!!

        1 year ago

        A Better Way to Trade

        Somebody call the WAAAAHmbulance!!!
        Don’t hear other owners or players crying. Just disgusted fans of other teams.

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      • THEY LIVE!!!

        1 year ago

        Wish I could do BOLD font but I’m not html literate.

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        • NashvilleJeff

          1 year ago

          He’s not either. He’s mentioned several times that he has severe vision problems.

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  64. Benjamin101677

    1 year ago

    Funny how so many commentators in here have forgotten how great Sale is when healthy. Sales issue has just been staying on the field. When he pitches he gets outs.

    What did Atlanta do? They balked at the asking price of some of the other starting pitching either via trade or free agency. Then they turned a prospect that Atlanta wasn’t sold on and had no position in 2024 to play in Atlanta for Sale who when he is healthy he is still solid. They then we worked a deal for him at less money than average pitchers get. Sale is getting less money than Sonny gray gets and when healthy Sale and Gray not in the same league.

    Than with the unknown with Fried leaving after 2024 season and Morton maybe retiring after season they set the rotation up to where it won’t need to spend big next year or have prospects step up.

    Solid move

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    • flyingblindsquirrel

      1 year ago

      Funny how some comment[at]ers forget that Sale cannot stay on the field. “When healthy” will be far less than half the duration of this contract.

      The rest is noise.

      Baffling move.

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      • Fred McGriff HR

        1 year ago

        @flyingblindsquirrel

        Can you tell me what the Dow Jones and the Nasdaq are going to do for the next two years.

        Can you also advise which teams are going to make the play-offs, which teams will meet in the World Series, and who is going to win the Cy Young and the MVP of both NL and AL.

        Comments like yours are to be treated with the disdain they deserve. Stick to crystal ball fortune telling, and go buy yourself the winning ticket in the powerball since you ‘can see into the future’.

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        • flyingblindsquirrel

          1 year ago

          Not sure what’s so disdainful about my comment. This site has thousands of comments that speculate what is going to happen based on players’ past performance. Sounds like you just don’t like seeing anything negative written about your beloved Bravos.

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      • JoeBrady

        1 year ago

        The rest is noise.
        =======================
        He still had a 1.7 bWAR last year. He made his last 9 starts last year and had a 3.92 ERA, albeit with only 43.2 IPs.

        I’d bet on 20 GS and a bWAR better than 2.0.

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        • flyingblindsquirrel

          1 year ago

          And if I was a betting man, I’d take the under. Agree to disagree.

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        • JoeBrady

          1 year ago

          Fair enough. The way I view it is that Atl sees the floor for Sale being his 2023 results, and the ceiling maybe being 50% higher.

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  65. kodion

    1 year ago

    I know AA has missed badly on pitching before but he got a high(injury)risk, proven high-ceiling pitcher at a fair price and negotiated a longer (now 3 years) window to help alleviate concerns about recovering value.
    Everyone can probably agree: With his injury history, Sale has the potential to never throw a pitch for the Braves, and it is certainly greater than a non-zero possibility.
    I, for one, think Sale still has the potential to be a difference-maker in a Championship run. It helps that he is on a team as strong as the Braves. Load management could be a bit easier for them.

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  66. Mercenary.Freddie.Freeman

    1 year ago

    So if I am doing the math right say Sale is actually decent for the Braves and they pick up the 2026 club option… Then they paid rough 40 million and Vaughn Grissom for 3 seasons of Sale?

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  67. Goose

    1 year ago

    Atlanta must be sold Sale will be more healthy than he has the last 3 years. They could have kicked the tires this year and then made a decision. After watching Sale he is NOT the same pitcher he was when he signed the extension and he can’t stay healthy. If he can give Atlanta 20 decent starts for the next two years it may be worth it. I don’t know if I would have guaranteed him next year. It seems like high risk for a long shot high reward.

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    • RunDMC

      1 year ago

      31 starts in 3 years (20 in 2023), while coming back from TJ (~1.5 years) with rib cage (’22) and pinky (’22) & wrist (’22) injuries. Whew! 2022 was a disaster for him. Crazy that 2023 looks like a success though he missed 2 months (shoulder inflammation), but was very good when returning.

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      • PKCasimir

        1 year ago

        He’s a five inning pitcher, at best,. If he ever does the tomahawk chop his career is over.

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        • RunDMC

          1 year ago

          Only 6 of 20 ’23 GS went for more than 5 IP, so you’re not wrong. That being said, I think ATL would be fine with that if he’s maintaining similar numbers (11 SO/9; 2.5 BB/9). That’s why they paid 30M to have a multiple-inning RP like Reynaldo Lopez (rather than Tonkin/McHugh last year) or even a young SP (Vines, etc.) to bridge the gap.

          He just said in an interview how he appreciated this is his first normal (read: healthy) offseason in years, so it’ll be interesting to see how he reacts. Also, very interesting that he had his 1st TJ surgery on 3/19/2020 — days after the world shutting down.

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  68. CarolinaCubsandKush

    1 year ago

    Risky move for the Braves. Seems like AA has been partying with AJ Preller this offseason haha

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  69. Sheesh

    1 year ago

    Alex anthoupolos has been killing it as gm of the bravos

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  70. MLBTR needs to hire editors

    1 year ago

    MLBTR: edit your posts, please. “Meanwhile” can’t come in the middle of a sentence, set off by commas. It has to START the sentence. Also, it should be “Sale has the potential to leave,” not “Sale is a potential to leave”. A proper noun can’t be a “potential.”

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    • kodion

      1 year ago

      Meanwhile most certainly CAN be in the flow of the sentence. If you are going to be critical editorially, at least be correct.
      And, as much as the posts do have style, this is a substance site so you might benefit from a more relaxed perspective …or more focus on that substance.
      Damn! My New Year’s resolution included not taking that bait so often ….

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      • MLBTR needs to hire editors

        1 year ago

        It cannot be mid-sentence. Check CMOS.

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      • MLBTR needs to hire editors

        1 year ago

        You also don’t need a comma after “and” when it’s used to start the sentence.

        I’m not here “baiting” anyone. Pointing out punctuation and grammatical errors is important. There is no further subtext to why I’m doing this. I don’t care about the feelings of other commenters; I care about correction.

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        • BraveHokie

          1 year ago

          Their AI article-writers need some updating. ;^)

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  71. baseballguru

    1 year ago

    Grissom and 6 years of control as a 2b/OF…this kid has 2 short stints in MLB and hit .291 and .280, .330 in his last AAA Season at SS. To me the age is still in learning mode defensively. The mover to 2b where his numbers are better fits Boston needs wise. If healthy Sale will be fine. If he continues being injured with poor mechanics and a body full of previous injuries this will be a horrible trade for Atl. Sale at 35 doesn’t fit Bostons young core no matter what. They have tons of prospects as the #3 ranked farm position player wise and many young guys just up in the last year or 2. They’re at 0 CBT wise and shedding payroll here. They’re in the later stages of the rebuild and poised to solidify the SP. We’re in great shape to form our own potential dynasty going forward. We’ll done Breslow! Let’s start pondering Corbin Burns, Beiber, Cole if he opts out, Soto when he enters FA, 1 more decent arm in 2024, 2 arms of 1-3 slot caliber in 2025 and we’re solid! With depth

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  72. THEY LIVE!!!

    1 year ago

    Sale will be watching games and picking up checks for nothing.

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