Ryan Helsley is drawing interest from clubs as a starting pitcher, and the Tigers are among the teams who have spoken to him about a possible move to the rotation according to a report from Ken Rosenthal, Cody Stavenhagen, and Katie Woo of The Athletic.
It’s become a trend for relievers with starting experience to garner interest for rotation jobs around the league. For players like Reynaldo Lopez, Seth Lugo, and Michael King, the move has gone incredibly well and ended in them garnering attention in Cy Young conversations. For others, like Helsley’s former teammate Jordan Hicks, the move doesn’t go quite so swimmingly. Since signing with the Giants as a starter during the 2023-24 offseason, Hicks has a 5.19 ERA across 177 innings and ultimately had his contract dumped in a trade with the Red Sox, where he served as a salary offset in the Rafael Devers deal.
The risk of an outcome like Hicks had comes with substantial reward for both player and team. For teams, signing a reliever and giving them the opportunity to start affords them a chance at a top-shelf arm at a steep bargain compared to the nine-figure contracts routinely commanded by the league’s established front-end arms. For the player, meanwhile, the chance to return to starting could mean that a team is willing to invest in a more substantial contract than they would be for a less-than-elite reliever and could mean an even more substantial contract if they find success and return to free agency with an established track record of starting at a high level.
Common as the trend has been in recent years, Helsley is an unusual candidate for a move to the rotation. Most players that move to the rotation have starting experience in the majors, a pitch mix that lends itself towards starting, and lack a track record as an established closer in the majors. While there are some pitchers in this free agent class that all applies to (and Brad Keller is notably already garnering interest for a potential move back to the rotation himself), none of it is true of Helsley. Rosenthal notes that more than 90% of his pitches thrown last year were either his four-seamer or his slider, though he does also have a cutter and a curveball in his repertoire. Helsley also has zero starts at the big league level with 105 saves picked up across his time as a closer for the Cardinals.
Since he took over that role in 2022, the two-time All-Star has a 2.49 ERA with a 2.80 FIP and a 31.9% strikeout rate across 210 appearances. He’s overwhelmingly been used as a one-inning arm as well, with just three outings that lasted longer than three outs over the past two seasons. Taken together, it all makes him an odd fit for a move to the rotation. Rosenthal suggests that the idea could have something to do with the state of the market this winter.
After a host of rotation arms expected to be available this winter (Jack Flaherty, Shane Bieber, Shota Imanaga, and Brandon Woodruff) either exercised player options with their current clubs or accepted a qualifying offer, there’s fewer quality starters available than once seemed likely. That relative shortage in conjunction with the fact that this winter’s market lacks a slam-dunk ace on the level of Yoshinobu Yamamoto or Corbin Burnes could leave teams a bit more willing than usual to get creative with their pitching additions this winter. From Helsley’s perspective, meanwhile, he’s coming off the worst season he’s had since becoming a closer as he posted an ERA of 4.50 with a 4.14 FIP across 56 innings with the Cardinals and Mets.
That could put a damper on his market in a winter with plenty of closing options available. Edwin Diaz, Devin Williams, Robert Suarez, Luke Weaver, Emilio Pagan, Pete Fairbanks, Kyle Finnegan and Kenley Jansen are all quality relievers with ninth-inning experience coming off stronger seasons than Helsley, not to mention other arms like Keller who lack that closing experience but still figure to command significant dollars this winter. With such a deep group of late-inning relievers, perhaps Helsley can separate himself from the crowd by leaving the door to starting a game for the first time since he made his major league debut on the table.
Turning to the Tigers’ interest in Helsley more specifically, it’s not hard to see why Detroit might want more help for its rotation. Even as a trade of ace Tarik Skubal seems unlikely and Flaherty unexpectedly decided to stick around for another year, there’s not much certainty in the Tigers rotation outside of that duo and Casey Mize. Reese Olson is sure to be in rotation when healthy but made just 13 starts this year due to injuries. Troy Melton impressed in his rookie season but made just four starts for the Tigers in the majors this year. Even Mize and Flaherty will both join Skubal in free agency next winter, meaning that Detroit faces a major exodus of talent that could make signing a long-term starter with possible front-of-the-rotation upside this winter quite attractive.
Of course, it must be noted that Detroit surely isn’t the only team with interest in Helsley, even as a starter, and that the Tigers themselves could ultimately prefer a more established arm to serve as the bridge between their current rotation and the one they’ll need to build for 2027 and beyond. While the possibility of Helsley becoming the next King or Lopez is certainly enticing, if the Tigers are willing to go out and sign a more proven arm like Ranger Suarez or Dylan Cease that would offer a lot more certainty.

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I always hate it when these GMs think that they are smarter then everyone else. Helsly is an elite closer, leave him where he is good at. If Mariano Rivera was kept as a starter, he’d go down as another Michael Pineda, not a 100% vote getter Hall of Famer
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I hate it when these keyboard warriors think they’re smarter than professionals who have access to information they don’t have and couldn’t comprehend if they did.
And then they don’t even know how to spell the name of the guy they’re speaking of….
MetsSchmets! Especially a troll like LFGMets.
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Drew Smith a better reliever. What team you watch last season with this “elite closer” nonsense.
Why do teams spend all this money on analytics and management roles when they could just come onto MLB trade rumours and just do what the message boards say is best
Helsley isn’t an elite closer. He was horrendous with the Mets and has folded in the post season with St Louis.
So two bad months in New York (when he wasn’t even the closer) and one bad playoff game in 2022 somehow negate 3 1/2 years of excellence?
Elite? Nah
Oh no this is not what helsey needs
I know starters make more money but he is already one of the better closers in the league he does not need to be another Jordan hicks
Even if he played like Clay holmes I think he would still be more valuable as a closer
Helsley develops blisters on his finger after throwing about twenty pitches. It’s been a problem throughout his career. That’s why the Cardinals finally started limiting him to one inning.
Check out the playoff loss to the Phillies in 2022. He literally can’t feel the ball due to the blisters. This is never going to work.
You are spot on Don . Watched him a lot . One inning guy who sometimes falls into patterns. He’s a very good reliever…..
Seeing Helsley fail in two inning outings even in his best years makes me skeptical of this. Typically pitched best one inning at a time. His rough stint in NY could not have had worse timing, so maybe signing as a starter gets Hels Bells paid.
This trend of signing relievers and turning them into starters in order to save money needs to stop. Helsely is a good RP and should remain there
If it ain’t broke don’t fix it
@dm That’s often a good way to avoid making improvements.
See Garrett Crochet and Michael King or even Smoltz or Eck
-Crochet was a starter in college and only pitched one season completley out of the bullpen in MLB
-King was a starter/long reliever swingman-type with the Yankees before he was traded to the Padres, so it’s not like starting games in MLB was unfamiliar with him
-Smoltz was a multi-time All-Star and Cy Young winner before the Braves moved him to the pen in 2001, and then back to the rotation in 2005
-Eckersley went from the rotation to the bullpen, and only started 2 games after 1986
Especially with guys who are well-established bullpen pieces. I get it with guys like Lugo, Reynaldo Lopez, or Michael King. They all had experience as swingman spot starter/long relief roles, so pitching out of the rotation wasn’t a massive stretch. But Helsley has never started a MLB game. His type of pitch-style is better suited for 1-2 innings where he can go out there, throw 98-100 MPH, where the velocity will help for fringy command.
Thanks for the history lesson.
It just depends on the pitcher. If he can handle it fine. If not then he joins Hicks in the failed starters club.
Hick isn’t even that good of a reliever as well.
Hicks was garbage and the more innings he pitched the worse he got. He had 2 solid pitches. Definitely not they type to turn into a SP.
@BennyG1919 he’d be a good fit on any team. I don’t even care that he pitched poorly for the Mets, all players go through a rough patch at some point in their career
Harris played high risk with the Cobb signing last year. A little less risk would be appreciated this off season. Tigers need more reliable innings and Helsley is about as far from that as they can go. Avoid Cease as well. Barely a 5 inning pitcher who will want top dollar.
I’d rather see them sign him for the back end with Vest, along with Finnegan and go get another solid established starter.
I see framber Valdez as a destination for the tigers
That would be good. Or instead of trying to make Helseley a starter go get King who has already successfully gone that route.
Or, hear me out, leave him as a reliever and go after a starter who actually starts. That “deep discount” comes with a serious risk. If the Tigers want another starter then by all means go sign a starter.
Also Holmes was terrible as a closer. He could barely get through 4 innings. Hes not a starter he’s a middle reliever
I don’t know why any team that plans to compete would sign a reliever to be a starter. Even if they’re good, by the time it’s Sept/Oct, they’re exhausted physically.
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He’s a two-pitch guy who doesn’t have great control. Don’t think he’s the best RP to try this with.
Clay Holmes, for example, has three pitches and a lower BB% (in recent years)
Actually Helsley’s curve is pretty good. But he needs work on his change. And his maximum effort style isn’t great for control. It would be an interesting test, but he would have to have a pitching coach who understands.
Enter Chis Fetter 😉 I’d rather see him at the back end of the bullpen with Vest.
Odd that the article wouldn’t mention possibly the best recent example of a reliever conversion to starter – Garrett Crochet. Fun fact – he had started only 13 games in his career, including college and the minors, before the White Sox converted him in ’24.
Tigers might get a letter. They made bad moves at the deadline, could’ve added GG’er at 3B for next to nothing in K’Bryan Hayes – plus some RP’s not named Luke Jackson, to help out their pitching staff. Did they not see that this didn’t work out so well for Jordan Hicks? Speaking of Hicks, kinda hoping my fav team trades for him. Our worst contract (Casty) to a team that actually needs a RH bat (Red Sox), and look slick if Hicks bounces back as full time RP again. Would fill spot in the Phillies BP and shave $7.5M to add a Pete Fairbanks or one of the Rogers’ twins (if not both). But hey we’re the amateurs.
The last thing the Tigers need is another bum hitter like Hayes
Imagine Baez and Hayes in the same lineup lol
Aren’t starters and relievers the same thing now? The “opener” or a “bullpen game.” These are becoming more common.
Actually a lot less common over last few years
Eh, not really like they were in 2018-2020. There has ever really been one opener in baseball history, and that was Ryne Stanek.
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A really bad idea
Kind of tired of the bullpen takeover of the game. If you can’t go 9+ like the good ol’days, you don’t belong in the Bigs! Now get off my lawn!
It’s cheaper to buy a relief pitching then starting pitchers. Especially when starting pitchers can’t guarantee 5 innings anymore.
At least you admit you’re a grumpy old man! Old complete gamers like Mickey Lolich still complain about pulling starters even though his arm fell of at age 35!
Does not have a repertoire or psyche to succeed as a starter. Limited adaptation mid game. Bad idea. Better to regain form as an elite closer
Most of the players who do make a successful move from the bullpen to the rotation are ones who have experience starting games in MLB. Only recent player I can think of off the top of my head who was almost solely a reliever for the first few years of their MLB career before becoming a quality MLB starter is Zack Littell.
He’s a two-pitch pitcher who hitters sit on when they’re able to eliminate one pitch. Why would this work out well?
Because he also started using a cutter and curveball last season which can be refined to mix up his offerings.
He’s had the curve since he came up, and he’s never consistently had a feel for it. He never really consistently has the feel for any pitch, for that matter. He threw 13 cutters last year. Increasing the usage of both pitches and assuming they’ll be plus pitches on top of that seems a little presumptuous. I’ve been watching him since 2019 and while he has electric stuff at times I just don’t think this is going to work out well, no matter how cutting edge a team’s pitching lab or usage trends may be.
At least we know they are looking at pitchers. They sure need some quality bullpen arms. Another starter wouldn’t hurt and a big bat too. Grab Finnegan, Helseley or Williams, a solid number 2 starter or at least Verlander for a feel good story for us fans and surprise us and splurge on a bat for Christmas like Seager, Bellinger or Schwarber!
“solid number 2 starter” and Verlander are quite different things these days. And Seager is far less available than Bellinger and Schwarber.
As of 10 minutes ago I highly doubt Seager is available at all!. I wasn’t putting Verlander up with the number two starters, just saying it would be cool to get him back for a last hurrah.
That would be a nice Christmas for Tiger fans. This is Scott Harris’ biggest offseason. I’m very curious how he’s planning on improving the Tigers.
I’m curious as to whether he’s planning on improving the Tigers, or not.
Without developing a third pitch starting will be especially challenging for Helsley. I don’t get wanting to take a guy who struggled to get 3 outs in a game over the last two months of the season and think all of a sudden he could get 15, but what do i know…
While I think it’s risky to have a closer-type pitcher convert to a starter because of the differences in innings pitched and rest time in between games, it has worked for Chris Sale and a few others. Hopefully it works for Detroit if they sign Helseley, but I would rather them sign or acquire a top of the line starter and let Helseley close.
With his struggles in relief lately, I find it confusing for teams to convert him to a starter. Might have sorta worked for Clay Holmes, but it’s real interesting.
You’re the only jays fan who wants this reheated waste of a pitcher !!!
We’re after Diaz, and that’s good enough!!! The Mets couldn’t win with Diaz, Soto, Alonso, and Liriano, and still , with POCKETS-FULL COHEN, can’t figure it out!!!
Most sinker ball relievers can start, that’s about it.
Could almost wish the Tiger ownership say F-IT, let’s just pay top dollar, one year contracts, sign several top players. Let’s just go for it.
Year of the Skubal.
Forget being the smartest person in the room, getting lucky, the strategy, the plan, “winning” a couple trades, tricking someone, low balling somebody else….
Let’s just DO IT the old fashioned way – BUY IT!
Putting, “I helped the Tigers win the World Series in the Year of Skubal” isn’t going to hurt anyone’s resume or free agency.
GMs will understand what you did. You were the go to guy in a must win situation. LOOKS GOOD!
Typically crappy writing from Deeds. “Common as the trend has been in recent years” is NOT proper English. You can’t just leave “as” out to start the sentence because you feel like it. Correct grammar isn’t optional, especially if you’re a professional writer. And “meanwhile” has to START the sentence, not come in the middle between commas. How do you mess this up twice in one article? Fire Deeds.
Helsley was horrible last year. This latest trend of turning relievers into starting pitchers because they want to be starting pitchers is really stupid. We’ve already thrown enough money away on Brieske and Rogers–I think this year they could do much better in the backup catcher department than Rogers.