MARCH 3: The Giants officially announced Chapman’s signing and the terms, with the additional detail that the contract includes a mutual option covering the 2027 season.
Chapman will receive a $2MM signing bonus and a $16MM salary in 2024, plus a $2MM buyout on the $17MM player option for 2025. If the third baseman remains in his contract through the 2025 season, he’ll have an $18MM player option for 2026 with a $3MM buyout attached. Should he remain in his contract through those three seasons, Chapman and the Giants will share a $20MM mutual option for the 2027 season, with a $1MM buyout if either party declines their side of the option.
MARCH 1: Matt Chapman is headed back to the Bay Area. The four-time Gold Glove winner has reportedly agreed to terms with the Giants on a three-year, $54MM guarantee. The Boras Corporation client can opt out after each of the next two seasons.
He’ll make $20MM this season, followed by successive $18MM and $16MM player options. The contract has an $18MM average annual value for competitive balance tax purposes. San Francisco will need to make a 40-man roster move once the deal is finalized.
Chapman, 31 next month, reunites with Giants president of baseball operations Farhan Zaidi and manager Bob Melvin. He’s familiar with both from his early days with the A’s. Chapman was a first-round pick by Oakland in 2014 and debuted three years later. He stepped in as one of the sport’s best all-around players.
The Cal State Fullerton product put up a .255/.336/.503 batting line through his first three and a half seasons. He paired that with the best third base defense in the American League. Chapman finished among the top 10 in AL MVP balloting in 2018 and ’19, securing Gold Glove honors in both years.
Chapman’s 2020 season was cut short by a labrum tear in his right hip. He underwent surgery that September, shutting him down for the year. While it wasn’t clear at the time, that injury has proven to be something of a turning point in his career. His offensive production hasn’t been the same since he made his return.
The right-handed hitter stumbled to a career-worst .210/.314/.403 line in 2021. The A’s dealt him to the Blue Jays the following offseason. Chapman’s offensive production ticked up slightly in Toronto, but he hasn’t found his 2018-19 form outside of a scorching April last year.
After a .229/.324/.433 showing in 2022, Chapman entered his platform season looking to reestablish himself as a middle-of-the-order force. He began the year as the hottest hitter on the planet. Chapman mashed at a .384/.465/.687 clip through the end of April. While he’d cut his strikeout rate to a 22.8% mark in the season’s first month, his whiffs spiked as the summer approached. A dismal May kicked off what proved to be a disappointing finish to his Jays tenure.
Over his final 467 plate appearances, Chapman hit .205/.298/.361 with a strikeout rate near 30%. By the second half, he was often hitting in the bottom third of the lineup. The Jays briefly sent him to the injured list in late August for a sprain of the middle finger on his right hand. It’s possible that had an adverse effect on his offense, but the biggest concern is that he didn’t sustain the strides in contact rate he had seemed to make early on.
That presented a tough evaluation for teams as he hit the open market for the first time. Even if he’s no longer an MVP-caliber player, Chapman is still an above-average regular. He has drawn walks in more than 10% of his plate appearances in each of the last three seasons. He connected on 27 homers in both 2021 and ’22. That dipped to 17 longballs a year ago, yet that’s not a reflection of a drop in his contact quality.
Chapman actually hit the ball harder than ever last season, averaging 93.5 MPH in exit velocity. He made hard contact (defined as 95+ MPH) on 56.4% of batted balls. That was the highest rate for any qualified hitter in the majors, narrowly ahead of impact bats like former teammate Matt Olson, Juan Soto, Ronald Acuña Jr., Rafael Devers and Shohei Ohtani.
He remains an asset on the other side of the ball. Chapman’s defensive grades aren’t quite as eye-popping as they were early in his career, but he’s still a plus at third base. Both Statcast and Defensive Runs Saved have rated him as an above-average defender in every season of his career. That includes an estimated three runs better than par by Statcast and an excellent +12 mark from DRS over more than 1200 innings last season.
Infield defense was an issue for the Giants, particularly on the left side. San Francisco led longtime shortstop Brandon Crawford walk in free agency. They’re set to turn that position to 22-year-old Marco Luciano. Incumbent third baseman J.D. Davis drew mixed reviews from defensive metrics last season. There’s no question that Chapman will be an upgrade on that side of the ball. While there had been some speculation the Giants could consider kicking Chapman up the defensive spectrum to shortstop, Susan Slusser of the San Francisco Chronicle reports that he’ll stick at the hot corner at Oracle Park.
San Francisco has targeted Chapman throughout the offseason, having been tied to him as early as the middle of November. They were content to wait out the market as he was one of a handful of top free agents who lingered well into Spring Training.
A $54MM guarantee certainly isn’t what his camp had in mind at the beginning of the offseason. Chapman had reportedly declined a 10-year, $150MM extension offer from the A’s back in 2019. He also reportedly passed on an offer from Toronto that would’ve topped $100MM at some point before he got to free agency. Whatever asking price he had set at the beginning of the winter wasn’t met. As with fellow Boras Corporation client Cody Bellinger, Chapman turned to a short-term deal that gives him the chance to get back to the market next offseason instead.
He was one of seven players to receive and decline a qualifying offer in November. The QO would have been valued at $20.325MM, a hair above what he now stands to make next season. This contract structure is certainly preferable to taking the qualifying offer — there’s added security built in via the player options in case he struggles or suffers an injury — but the end result could be similar. The likeliest outcome is that he collects a $20MM salary in 2024 and retests the market next winter.
It remains to be seen if it would treat him more kindly the next time around. He’d be entering his age-32 season with a profile that is heavily dependent on defense. Chapman won’t be eligible for another qualifying offer — players can’t receive that more than once in their careers, per the CBA — but he’s unlikely to be the clear top free agent at the position, as he was this winter. Alex Bregman headlines next year’s third base class, which will also include Davis.
The Giants surrender their second-highest pick in the upcoming draft (#51 overall) and $500K in international signing bonus space to add a player who had declined the QO. The Jays were one of eight teams that paid the luxury tax last season, so their compensation is minimal. They’ll get an extra draft choice after the fourth round, roughly 136th overall.
It’s a bigger penalty for the Giants than it is compensation for Toronto. It’s one the Giants are nevertheless happy to pay to get Chapman at a price well below what they could have expected coming into the offseason. (MLBTR predicted he’d receive six-year, $150MM pact at the start of the winter.) The contract pushes their 2024 player payroll to roughly $183MM, as calculated by RosterResource. They’re around $231MM in luxury tax obligations, keeping them $6MM shy of next year’s threshold.
If they want to avoid the CBT, that wouldn’t leave a ton of room for in-season acquisitions. It’s possible they’re comfortable exceeding the threshold for the first time since 2017. San Francisco has been tied to Blake Snell (and to a much lesser extent) Jordan Montgomery. They’re still in clear need of rotation help, particularly after expected #5 starter Tristan Beck underwent surgery on Friday to address an aneurysm.
Forfeiting a draft choice to sign Chapman to a contract that allows him to opt out after one season is the clearest win-now move of San Francisco’s offseason. They’ve also brought in Jung Hoo Lee to take center field, Jorge Soler at designated hitter, and signed Jordan Hicks to a four-year pact to transition to the rotation. Revamping the lineup to that extent without adding more certainty behind Logan Webb, Hicks, and rookie Kyle Harrison seems unlikely.
Davis is set for a $6.9MM salary in his final season of arbitration and just lost his spot in the starting lineup. Soler and Wilmer Flores are ahead of him as right-handed hitters who’ll factor in at DH at first base, respectively. Flipping Davis to a team that needs third base help before Opening Day could clear spending room for the Giants and seems the best outcome for him personally. There’s very likely more to come at Oracle Park in the next three weeks.
Jon Heyman of the New York Post first reported the agreement, opt-outs, and salary breakdown. Image courtesy of USA Today Sports.
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
Oh a midnight signing
How exciting
aragon
Only 9:00pm here.
DarkSide830
Timezones go brrrrrrrrr
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
Well…..if the Orioles had signed him
Blue Baron
@Lefty: Well…..if pigs had wings
Paleobros
Orioles have wings
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
They certainly do
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
They might
Susannah
That would have been a waste of resources.
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
Never
Blue Baron
But the Orioles don’t need him.
Curly Was The Smart Stooge
Of course pigs can fly, have you not heard of pork choppers?
Blue Baron
I think about Maxwell in the GEICO commercials.
Francys01
Giants now sign Blake Snell.
DarrenDreifortsContract
Third place here they come!
Pickle_Britches
Since they seem to be all in for contending why stop now and sign a SP that’s most important right now with Winn and Beck injuries. Then you have Hicks and Harrison both which don’t have any Experience and if they do well they won’t see more than 140-150inn. Luckily they have Cobb and Ray expected to be back after the AS break. They need Clevinger or Montgomery if they don’t sign Snell. Montgomery thinks he deserves a big contract after his 23 season. Dude has only won 10 games 1 time lol and wants top pay.
YourDreamGM
In at the last hour. 1 more and we would need to wait until morning when MLBTR woke up.
Redwolves3
Thank you Zaidi. Midnight (EST) or not, finally Zaidi addressed a significant offensive & defensive need by getting Chapman.
Zaidi’s next move needs to immediately sign/trade for a top of rotation SP (Snell Montgomery Bieber Cease Luzardo Valdez). With Beck having surgery & uncertainty of Winn’s elbow Zaidi can’t afford to stand pat. Nor can Zaidi rely on other prospects in camp to step up. Giants need another top of rotation veteran SP especially with Cobb & Ray not returning until 2nd half of season.
Yankee Clipper
Redwolves: I think this is a good move; but how does it address their offensive needs? He does have power, but last season was offensively abysmal for ~80% of the season.
“ Over his final 467 plate appearances, Chapman hit .205/.298/.361 with a strikeout rate near 30%.”
Pickle_Britches
And he still had a better WAR then Machado and Bellinger lol. Who are making much more money. It’s a good signing and should fit in well with the Giants.
bullred
Yes, very inconsistent hitter now. I still would have signed him though as he is a little better than the Jays have have right now.
Yankee Clipper
For that amount, I agree. I’ve always liked Chapman.
Pickle_Britches
He’s not getting much more than LeMahieu and has the same career WAR in 7 years vs 13 years.
Yankee Clipper
Yeah, I get that Chapman is phenomenal defensively; but the point is: he doesn’t really help their offense as the OP stated. And, I was not in favor of the DJ Re-signing despite his fantastic performance. We had other needs at the time, none of which necessitated another aging IFer.
Pickle_Britches
It does fit their needs offensively. Schmidt or JD Davis playing 3b don’t seem to compelling. Schmidt is just a career minor leaguer. He didn’t even do good in the minors. He had some of the weakest contact rating last year. So Chapman helps quite a bit. Replacing a career minor league 3b for a top 5 WAR 3b seems much improved to me.
Yankee Clipper
Hm, from the perspective I’d have to agree with you. Chapman is certainly a better option, imho, than the other two. I was referring to the term “fixing the offense.” I only meant that I don’t think he is going to be a huge impact. Better than the other two? Yeah, you’re correct, imo.
Pickle_Britches
Take his HR per AB and compare it to Kris Bryants. Chapman has him beat barely throw in the Premier D and in his 31 year season. 3 year deal at his amount is good. He could of gotten 100+ million from the Bluejays. He probably was sick of playing there.
Yankee Clipper
Yeah, I honestly thought he would be in the $125MM range. This was a shockingly good deal (from what I thought he’d get). Plus, I really think he wanted to play for Melvin again.
Pickle_Britches
I picked the Yankees to sign him at the first of the off-season. Some players can go to Yankee stadium and do well I don’t think Chapman would. He didn’t like the fact he had to get the jab to play in Canada.
Pickle_Britches
Heck he’s not getting much more than Lee who has yet to play in the MLB. I bet verdugo ends up having a better year than Lee. I think the Yankees will have the 3rd best record this year. Hate to admit it. I think Volpe breaks out this year and rodon bounces back.
Yankee Clipper
Boy, I hope you’re right about that. I could see the Yanks doing that well, but with their downward trend, I could also see a third-place AL finish. I am variously optimistic though.
As for Volpe, you couldn’t hope for a kid with a better attitude. He’s a throwback in that respect and it’s really cool to see.
RShore05
YC. As a fellow Yankee fan, I can completely understand and relate to your feelings about this upcoming season for the pinstripes. As a fan, the last couple season’s have been very LONG and tough to watch. However, I really believe this is going to be a special(in a good way) season for the Yankees. As brutal as last season was, I think it may end up being the best thing that could have happened to this current core group of player’s. I really believe they were embarrassed about how they performed last year and it has/will motivate them to really turn things around this season. I think we’re going to see a much more focused and motivated team this year. Guy’s like Big G,Rodon,DJ, Rizzo, Nestor will all have bounce back year’s, and the addition of guy’s like Soto, Verdugo, and Grish will all be a welcome addition. I predict they win 100-games, Win the AL East, and will play for the AL Pennant(that’s as far as I want to go with my prediction, don’t want to jinx them!) Judge will have a monster year, and lead by example and get the Yankees back on top where they belong. Save this post for receipts
oldgfan
Bam
No more roster additions my arse.
disadvantage
I feel like that was more lip service to deal with Mr. Boras. But either way, we got our guy!
Rishi
Always anticipate the opposite of what is said.
oldgfan
Luciano’s range just got better too.
Dogbone
I’m happy for the Giants. I’m even happier that the Cubs didn’t offer an extended contract of any sorts. Give the prospects and Morel a shot.
gerguy
yes give the rooks a chance
roob
If it wasn’t for the 2018-19 seasons no one would think this guy is a star. A solid player but not a star.
He plays excellent defense with an averageish bat for 3B. He’s in his 30’s so defense will start to decline soon and then there’s nothing special left.
Jake1972
Shaw will be up soon enough, so let’s see how good the Cubs will be with a new manager.
Pickle_Britches
And he’s getting paid a fair wage with 3 years. That’s a pretty good signing. Top 5 3B in WAR last season 4.4 with having a terrible second half.
LosCardinales1964
I thought that Ross did quite the serviceable job last yr, w/ no experience… W/ the mgr upgrade for the sCrUBS, I would think that the Counsell add could be as much as a +8
(war/mgr equivalent). And until Marmol is unemployed, my team will cont. to languish.
brewsingblue82
Wouldn’t their guy have been a pitcher?
splinkysf
Hey don’t need a stud SO FA. Flip JD for a journeyman 5th starter / innings eater go help hold the fort for Cobb and then Ray.
The $7m they save in JD’s salary should offset.
Breck68
In my opinion. SF needs to keep JD Davis to play first base. So SF can have Davis in case opts after 2024. Then they could move Davis back to third and have Flores play first. SF then could trade LeMonte Wade, Austin Slater,and Joey Bart to Milwaukee for Willy Adames and a minor league player. Giving Marco Luciano a full season at triple A. Of course this all is just my opinion.
williemaysfield
Why would the Brewers want any of those players? Wade and flores were far better players last year than davis.
Pickle_Britches
What about Wilmer Flores? They need to trade JD for sure. Let Wilmer and Wade play 1st trade Davis to Marlins for Trevor Rogers.
PKVA
Why would Milwaukee do that?
stymeedone
I would say its in line with what Candelario got. He’s better, but not 6/150 better.
Wadz
I mean he’s rapidly declining and hit like Gallo the majority of last year. This deal is pretty solid for him
PattheBat
Is 3.5 fWAR good? I forget
Seamaholic
He’s in his 30’s and his value is mostly about his D. That will crater fast.
SFGLifer
Crawford’s D was great thru age 34 season, no reason to think another elite defender can’t do the same or better. Hater
bigdaddyt
Major hip surgery
Seamaholic
His D is already declining.
gomer33
It’s so bad he won the gold glove this year.
unpaidobserver
Yes, but he used to get platinum. /s
Murphy NFLD
I dint want the jays to resign him but if this was the deal paying 10 more then they stupidly gave IKF by acting early and over estimating the market is a thing they have done 2 or 3 times now. They did it when they offered Encarnacion 3/60 and when he said give me a few days they jumped on kendrys Morales for 3/60. All that being said i would think that for at least 3-4 years he would still he in the top 10 or 12 3B at least and with 20 HR power as his floor its not a bad deal by any means even if he says for 3
Murphy NFLD
Morales was 3/33 which was the year teams finally backed off 1b/DH types on big deals in 2016.
T8Rcheese1
His D has been elite, but in saying that don’t put to much emphasis on gg awards. Many winners have not been that great defensively. Chapman has tho.
CTS4
atkins is useless !!
stymeedone
If 20 HR is his floor, please explain the 17.
its_happening
Then they jumped on Pearce and then paid Bautista above the QO he turned down when they did not have to. Plus the Jays had Smoak. That gave them a 1B, two DH’s and an aging OF who needed to DH.
One of the worst offseason performances that lead to a worse trade deadline. Jays fans told us to trust the process. How’s that going?
its_happening
Missed 22 games and played through a finger injury?
Styme must be wondering why guys didn’t hit 20 bombs in the 60-game 2020 season.
drasco036
With defensive metrics the gold glove award typically does go to the best defender at the position, however you are right about the gold glove in the past. Derek Jeter was an awful defender but constantly was awarded the gold glove.
I have mixed emotions on the signing, it’s pretty much on par what I thought he would get and there is real value on the surface of the deal but losing a draft pick for Chapman is a bitter pill to swallow given the best case scenario is he opts out of his deal.
drasco036
People really need to stop blaming his finger boo boo for his lack of offense last season because he was horrible before that as well.
I hope Chapman rebounds and puts up numbers closer to his career average next season and for several seasons after
its_happening
Drasco, there ways to poke holes at Chapman’s deficiencies. But let’s stop saying Chapman is not a 20 hr guy. Yeah he hit 17 last year. If you’re going to say he’s not a 20 bomb guy, that injury and missed time is coming out to play.
Larry Elliott
Agreed. I have had it with Shapiro the organ grinder and his monkey Atkins. They believe the Jay fans are ignorant and they can get away with putting out semi good teams and we will be content. Get rid of both of them! Now !
drasco036
Wisdom is a 40 home run guy if he played everyday, so what?
its_happening
Have a better comeback than that, then we’ll talk. Chapman’s had a career, while wisdom is something you should pray hard for.
its_happening
Larry E, Rogers will bring in the same type and this will happen all over again.
drasco036
How cleaver… you must be very proud of yourself (unlike your parents). What is it like to have such a weak and fragile mind that you get this worked up over someone disagreeing with you?
But since you’re crying, let me ask you, is 162 games Chapmans floor? No? Then 20 home runs isn’t his floor either. You see, you made an ignorant comment someone corrected you on, then you turned into a little B-witch. Then you made an even more ignorant comment.
Brettlez
You do realize that a lot of gold gloves are similar to all star nominations. Name brand recognition, once you win your first it’s easier to win subsequent ones. Metrics wise he was good but not nearly the best D at third
bullred
I think that’s a little unfair. This was not acting early at all if they had to wait till March to find out if the Jays can sign him at a fair price. IKF would probably not have been available at that time and they lose out on everybody.
its_happening
That the best you got drasco? I said have a better comeback and you grab that low hanging fruit that sits next to your baseball acumen.
Since you know zip, if a guy hits 24, 36, 10 (in 37 games), 27 and 27 prior to the 17 homer season, are you going to side with the “he hit 17 and isn’t a 20 homer guy” crowd?
Like I said, pray for Wisdom. To argue Chapman isn’t a 20 homer guy is ridiculous, as was your latest attempt at a comment.
Pickle_Britches
Lol you a funny dude
Pickle_Britches
Well if he opts out means he had a really good year lol. He is getting paid what he deserves right now. If only he could hit like Devers or Riley he’d be the best overall 3B in the league. The Giants now need to pick the best player available in their first pick not some player expected to be a 2nd or 3rd round pick.
Pickle_Britches
Wisdom only played 60 games at 3b in 23. Had a WAR of 0.3 Chapman had almost Wisdoms career war in 1 season. Wisdom is a .220 career hitter with no D. Basically a career minor leaguer. Wisdom will always be a FA on any fantasy league lol.
Pickle_Britches
Only a top 5 3B in war last year and he sucked hitting the 2nd half. If he had a better 2nd half he’d be top 3.
Pickle_Britches
Chapman has a better HR per AB then Kris Bryant
PattheBat
Cool. That’s why they gave him a 3 year deal?
You get it now or nah?
Seamaholic
They just spent their wad on a 3B when they literally have one starting pitcher, and they already had a 3B who can’t DH because of an earlier dumb move, and who is pissed off and very popular in the clubhouse.
Congratulations. As they’ve done since this GM took over, they’re playing the smartest guy in the room game, chasing bargains and ignoring how things fit together.
PattheBat
This isn’t basketball. Things don’t ’fit together.’ Whoever has the best collection of talent wins. Chapman is clearly an upgrade on Davis…likely ~2 wins per most projections
Wadz
Whoever has the best talent wins is not how this sport works at all.. Padres fans were saying this all last year
Seamaholic
I’m not saying he isn’t. I’m saying that’s irrelevant when you had a perfectly decent, younger 3B, and you have no pitchers. Good freakin’ luck when Webb isn’t on the hill, and goodness help them if he gets hurt. Unless they have enough left to go after a couple of the remaining FA pitchers, this was the most bizarre, self-defeating off-season I’ve ever seen a team have.
PattheBat
The Padres did not in fact have much talent, so not sure your point. Back of the lineup was a black hole and the team had zero depth as usual
Wadz
The 2023 Padres had much more talent than this inevitable 500 Giants team… so…
Seamaholic
And losing the draft pick is the cherry on top. This is very much like when the Rockies signed Kris Bryant.
PattheBat
They didn’t actually. Depth matters, as AJ Preller still can’t seem to figure out in year 10
PattheBat
Yeah 3/54 is totally comparable to 7/168 or whatever. Great comparison, keep it up
Travis’ Wood
Except Bryant isn’t an elite defender and his contract is twice as long?
spliffTONE
@Seamaholic: Take a deep breath, pal
gbs42
The Bryant signing was so much worse than this. More than twice as long and over 3x the money.
spliffTONE
@Seamaholic: Yeah, totally! Just get rid of all the opt outs and add another $128MM to the deal and it’d be tough to tell the difference between the two deals!
Seamaholic
Helluva lot more than this Giants team. Padres had two future hall of famers in their primes, a loaded rotation, and maybe the best closer of his generation.
Seamaholic
But a much better hitter. Exact number doesn’t matter. What matters is that the signing made signing pitchers impossible for the Rox. If that’s the deal w the Giants it’s the same mistake.
Don’t get caught up in how big a bargain it is or isn’t. That’s not what matters. What matters is whether they can still fill their actual needs. $20m is not nothing. A few more million would have gotten them Jordan Montgomery, and a few less one of several others.
gbs42
The Giants still can afford a good SP.
Ann Porkins
Spent their wad? They’re still under the luxury tax and the payroll heights of 6+ years ago. They’ve fished out almost as much money to Soler ($42M) and Hicks ($44M), while giving out roughly $130M to Lee.
And according to some reporting, the Giants are still eyeing Snell. So how does a contract with opt-outs that maxes out at 20% of this offseason’s spending qualify as spending their wad?
Seamaholic
This isn’t who gets the biggest bargain wins. That’s like the morons who think a team “won” the draft if it got a lot of guys later than “experts” thought they’d go. There’s a reason Chapman didn’t get more than this, in years and dollars. He was among the worst regulars in baseball with the bat for the last four months of last year, and his D has started declining. This is exactly what he’s worth, and he may have had no other interest.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
This is not at all like KB, this is a three year deal with decreasing salary
Seamaholic
That’s the question. They need two, really three.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Seamaholic
Fine, argue that they should have signed Lorenzen instead but don’t make a silly comp to KB
PattheBat
“Was one of the worst regulars in baseball after 9 pm in the mountain time zone”
Sick bro. Put up 3.5 fWAR and it was the worst full season of his career. Finished w/ a 110 wRC+. You act like he’s Yoan Moncada or something
Seamaholic
If that’s the case this signing is fine. But if they were going to sign Snell I’m not sure what is taking so long. We’ll see.
spliffTONE
@Seamaholic: Give it a rest, dude. You sound bitter and clueless. Bryant isn’t what made “signing pitchers impossible for the Rox”; Coors Park is. Pretending that Chapman’s and Bryant’s contracts are anywhere near comparable is absolutely absurd.
Giants can still sign Snell or Montgomery no problem. Signing Chapman is obviously not the end of their moves.
Rishi
Actually “whoever has the best collection of talent wins” is far more applicable to basketball than baseball. It’s almost never true in practice in MLB. The Dodgers of 22 and the Braves of 23 show this clearly
PattheBat
Wins in the regular season or over large samples. 5 game series don’t mean anything
Rishi
It’s still untrue. The Mets won 100 games in 22 and on paper improved in some ways. Teams constantly over/underperform in terms of projections. If we had an infinite amount of games it would play out your way. 162 is a lot but it’s still like 6 months of time. Almost anything can happen. I don’t understand these type of arguments. True logic is a double edged sword. It sees both sides of something. You are looking at things like we are sending robots out to play. Now balance that out with the human factor and unpredictable nature of anything and you’ll arrive at the truth.
Jean Matrac
Seamaholic
“This is very much like when the Rockies signed Kris Bryant.”
The Rockies signed Bryant to 7 years/$182M. This is not at all like when the Rockies signed Bryant.
Jean Matrac
“He was among the worst regulars in baseball with the bat for the last four months of last year…”
Chapman posted a .902 OPS_ in August of last year.
Tigers3232
@Seamaholic, “capable” is a strong word for Davis’s glove. And he’s an entire one day younger than Chapman.
Dock_Elvis
When has having the best collection of talent ever guaranteed a winner?
Hexbreaker
Literally one starting pitcher?
Pickle_Britches
Spent their wad? Lol Chapman signing was a deal. Bellinger got much more and Chapman had a better or equivalent WAR last year. Defense is a major factor in winning games. They spent their wad on Lee who hasn’t yet to play a single game in the MLB. Giants are bargain chasers as well as gamblers.
Pickle_Britches
And how did they do? Lol they also don’t have Hader, Snell and Soto. Think they struggled last yr wait until this season.
Pickle_Britches
More money for a pitcher that won 10 games 1 time in his career and who is coming off his best season of his career? He don’t deserve top pay. Id rather have Clevinger. Better track record and better career numbers.
Pickle_Britches
But still managed to be in the top 5 in War at 3b? Too bad his bat didn’t suck the second half who knows he could be top 2-3
Hexbreaker
Literally.
Ma4170
Not always
Pickle_Britches
3.5 is what Devers had last year and higher than Machado and Arenado so I would say yea it’s good.
Rishi
Well in all fairness if I recall he also hit like the Babe early on last season.
gbs42
Rishi, I didn’t recall just how well Chapman hit last April, but his monstrous month is mentioned in the article. 1152 OPS!
YourDreamGM
Everyone after a certain age is declining but he isn’t doing it rapidly. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him improve on his 2024 numbers. My projections say they will.
Rishi
Don’t tell Freddie Freeman.Really he declined already. I would, at this point call him steady.
terry g
This really make no sense to me. I think they need pitching more.
geg42
Better get some starters too.
YourDreamGM
Anything over a 750 ops he will likely opt out. He should be able to do better. They can still sign a pitcher.
Rishi
Maybe the price was what intrigued them. Defense helps pitching.
filihok
Rishi
Well, actually
Defense helps run prevention, not pitching
Rishi
Semantics. I can’t fathom why you felt the need to write that beyond either joking or being high horse.
filihok
Rishi
Because it’s true
Rishi
Help-“to give assistance”, “to ease the discomfort of” “to be of service to”. If a pitcher makes a bad pitch defense will help him possibly. Defense helps pitching. Words can be taken many ways.
jordan4giants 2
Lose a first round pick for a player with an opt-out after year 1? I don’t get it
m34josh
The Giants first round picks don’t usually work out anyway, so…
Harrison Butker's Mount Rushmore Worthy Speech
Idk if they lose a 1st round pick. He signed for 54 mill.
I think they redid QO penalties based on how much a player signs for.
Or could be the jays won’t get an extra first cause he signed for 54 mill.
I’m sure they’ll update it in the article for tomorrow and touch on it.
Seamaholic
$50m is the threshold. They indeed get the top tier penalty.
Theodore
Listen San Fran fans you should be happy signing Chapman for an average of 18M per season or would rather have IKF ,who those 2 twits running our Toronto signed for 15M a season instead of bring back Chapman
Stealing Signs
Speaking of twits….
IKF’s $15MM is for TWO years, so $7.5MM a year not 15, but by all means, don’t let facts get in the way of your hatred for the front office.
CALgoldenBears
Correction: 2nd round.
jordan4giants 2
Thanks for the correction. 2nd round, that’s a lot easier to handle than a first.
claude raymond
plus $500k international pool
YankeesBleacherCreature
Still gotta sell tickets. With expanded playoffs, a team probably only needs to win like 5 games over .500 to see the postseason.
Wadz
The lose a 2nd round.. it still affects the draft as they lose the pool money… for a guy who can opt out with 1 good season
Rsox
Unless Chapman has an otherworldly season offensively this season he’s not opting out to languish in free agent limbo for a second straight winter
filihok
Rsox
“Unless Chapman has an otherworldly season offensively this season he’s not opting out to languish in free agent limbo for a second straight winter”
I bet you’re wrong
I bet if he has a season in 2024 similar to his season in 2023 he opts out.
websoulsurfer
If he puts up numbers like he had in 2022, 27 HR, 116 OPS+, and plus defense, he will get far more than $34 million guaranteed.
spliffTONE
@filihok: Indeed. Tough to see him not opting out barring some sort of major injury or a complete disaster of a season.
Rishi
The problem is he has little room to regress. I don’t see him aging well but he could find another gear (he’s been a better hitter in the past). So with a 3 year commitment you are hoping he maintains this level of offense for 3 years which is possible but pushing it already. Teams don’t pay up for defensive specialists. If he regresses much that’s all he’ll be. If he puts up the same year and opts out he may get the same deal again basically but I don’t see a 4-5 year deal unless he has an 850 ops or something similar. I still wouldn’t see it
spliffTONE
@Rsox: Not true at all. Won’t take much for Chapman to feel confident he can beat the 2/$34MM left on his contract at the end of the ’24 season.
Pickle_Britches
They loose their 2nd pick
scottn59c
Maybe there’s a plan in the works to package JD, Bart, and others for a serviceable pitcher?
JackStrawb
@terry g Know any 4 WAR pitchers going for 18m a season?
Nosferatu Zodd
Good deal G-men
Dingrrrs
It’s not a game-changer (NPI), but I don’t hate this. Hopefully this will be a move that contributes to a solid season from the Giants rather than a slow rolling implosion.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Sorry, but what does NPI mean again? Thank you
Susannah
New product introduction?
Yankee Clipper
Nope, I’m very confident it means: Never Pee Indiscriminately.
Eh, maybe not quite as confident as I once was…
yanks2009
Thanks to his Idiot agent boras that got him to reject over $100 million dollars with the jays! ♂️
terry g
Maybe, just maybe, he likes the bay area more than Toronto. Hard to believe but it’s possible.
Wadz
Or.. he and Boras expected a better market. Hard to believe but possible
terry g
True.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Boras misread the market impacted by the RSN fiasco. It also doesn’t help that Oakland’s Fisher is simply going through the motions until his team’s big move. The ’23 median MLB salary rose by 7.1% to $4.525MM. We’re probably looking at that number to remain stagnant or very slightly decrease in ’24.
stymeedone
Maybe he decided to sign with SF because spring training had started, and he had no other offers? It’s too late to play pick my favorite city to play in.
Dock_Elvis
Market expectaiion or no…the investment potential of that income needs to be considered. Boras plays kind of an old fashioned game that better fits his interests over the long term. He’s only giving up his % when taking these guys deep into spring.
I think if I whiffed on 100M on the advice of my agent…then it happened again in FA. Yeah…I’d be finding another rep.
Ma4170
And teams know WAR isn’t the only determinant in value and don’t want to overpay flawed players.
filihok
DE
“I think if I whiffed on 100M on the advice of my agent…then it happened again in FA. Yeah…I’d be finding another rep.”
Where’s the personal responsibility here
You don’t know what Boras’ advice was. You don’t know what Chapman’s reaction to that advice was
filihok
Ma
“And teams know WAR isn’t the only determinant in value”
Knowledgeable people know WAR isn’t a determinant of value at all. It’s a measure of value.
“don’t want to overpay flawed players.”
1) Every player is flawed.
2) Teams don’t want to pay fair value for players – they want to underpayment them
Bra Joni
Had his best years playing for BoMel.
unpaidobserver
Certainly Melvin sticks with his guys and he isn’t going to bench Chapman no matter if he pulls a Chris Davis and goes 0 for his whole first week.
mlb fan
“Jason Werth will totally transform how Major League teams view outfielders” – Scott Boras.
unpaidobserver
This is true tho.
YourDreamGM
If true whoever offered him over 100m needs to go.
TMQ
100 million for how many years? He can still easily beat that offer if he has a good season. Teams will have more money hopefully with the TV deals worked out
Yankee Clipper
I think the combination of factors that led to this offseason’s unusual results gave team executives a map for how to handle Boras clients in the future. I wouldn’t be surprised to see teams continue to squeeze Boras from this point forward and strictly adhere to their analytical player evaluations and budgets regardless of their needs. Obviously, this will exclude the Juan Soto-types who will certainly command top market pay.
I think the difference this year was the willingness of teams to sit out on the Boras five.
cwsOverhaul
Even then, Soto might just be the Yankees bidding against themselves. Most clubs won’t fork out 400+ guaranteed or waste time/energy being used when they can allocate funds over the course of years to many good players.
slider32
Not a guy like Soto, the super stars will always get paid top dollar. Production and age are the biggest factors, once a player is over 30 his value is cut in half for most players. There are always outliers!
cwsOverhaul
Didn’t suggest otherwise. It’s just clubs won’t get caught up in the games. While trying to get 400+ out of NYY, a couple clubs may offer low 300s knowing it won’t be accepted and then move on quick to realistic good players/bow out.
slider32
You really never know what offers clubs make to players, their is a lot of fake news out there.! You only know the offer of the team that gets the players, and really that all that matters.
bullred
Yeah Boreass really screwed up his clients this year. It will definitely effect his business going forward as word will spread. You can’t spin a loss like this as maybe he will earn more money next year if he does great, cause maybe this is all he gets if he gets injured. That is too big a gamble to be taking with a client that is already showing signs of regression. You work hard to get to this point, you take the longest contract you can and add in some opt outs as well. If he had a 5 year 9 figure contract on the table and didn’t take it this is a huge loss.
JackStrawb
Hey, Chapman bought into the dream of riches.
And he still got riches, fwiw.
Seamaholic
Not a happy JD Davis (who is popular in the clubhouse) right now. Bad bad move.
splinkysf
JD is good for -2 runs at third base. Chapman will save 20-30. No brainer deal.
Great job, Zaidi. Let’s trade JD Davis (who is really a bench player for a 5th starter
Seamaholic
They ain’t getting a major league pitcher for one year of JD, no way no how. Especially since everyone and his mother know they have to trade him, and this time of year teams are clinging to their pitchers like their seasons depend on it.
splinkysf
We’re just need a journeyman who can eat innings. There are teams in need of IF help with a surplus of those types of arms in the East if both leagues.
Cover innings go save bullpen. Cobb ~late May, Winn, then Ray.
No need to buy an overvalued arm like Montgomery or take a big risk on Snell, unless they can get him for 3 yrs with same type of opt outs.
CGG12
Since acquiring a back-end starter for him is less likely, why not trade him for some low end prospects? His money off the books leaves $12-13MM in wiggle room before the first tax apron. More than enough to get a guy like Lorenzen.
Ma4170
Chapman wont be saving 20-30 runs on defense at this point… 10 maybe
Pickle_Britches
I know right trade him for Trevor Rogers or Edwin Cabrera from the Marlins.
BannedMarlinsFanBase
@Pickle_Britches
For Davis, we wouldn’t even trade Buck Rogers or Riley Cabrera to get him.
But if the Gisnts want to trade him for Avi Garcia, that may be a conversation.
Pickle_Britches
What about Davis and Bart for Rogers? Giants eat much of Davis salary
BannedMarlinsFanBase
Not even for Norville Rogers.
Reynaldo
They have no faith in him as a 3B
JackStrawb
@Reynaldo JDD can’t play a full year. He’s a big guy but he always fades. Terrific bat 100 games a year, but not the way the Giants used him in 2023.
5TUNT1N
The bigger concern is they kind of need JD bat in the lineup as it’s stronger than Chapmans. Tough but he’s a free agent I believe at end of season and he’s even less likely to get this deal if we are being honest. Tough choice would love to see them both in the lineup with Lee, Wade Jr, Estrada, Soler it was actually pretty decent.
YourDreamGM
If you hit they find playing time for you.
5TUNT1N
I’d rather lose Conforto than Davis prolly.
unpaidobserver
Jd Martinez keeps telling himself this in the mirror.
Pickle_Britches
JD is a utility player. His bat isn’t as good as Chapmans.
Hammerin' Hank
So they shouldn’t try to improve the team because the mediocre JD Davis is popular in the clubhouse? Ok.
tedtheodorelogan
Matt Chapman has been more valuable every season of his career than Davis. Even Chapman’s Covid year is better than Davis’s best full season. Chapman has 30 something career WAR. Davis has 3. JD Davis is a nice bench piece but not someone who is a cornerstone you don’t try to improve upon, given the opportunity.
Kaz
If the report that that the Blue Jays offered him an extension in the realm of 100mm is true he must really be regretting it now.
i like al conin
He’s guaranteed $58 million. Even dividing it up to taxes, agents and others he’ll still need several lifetimes to spend it all.
bucsfan0004
He didnt want to be in Toronto. He lived out of a hotel for 2yrs. Usually athletes will get a condo or something in the city they play in if they dont buy a house. Maybe he’ll find his swing again in San Fran
YourDreamGM
Not if he is confident. He will get 20 this year and likely opt out and get at least another 50 60 guarantee. Maybe more. I project him to have a better season this year.
slider32
If that is true, he didn’t want to play there! Today’s players are making life changing money, we see other factors like location and team preference with players selecting teams today, and teams that lose players leaking a high money offer to the press. In the end, it all comes down to where a player ends up!
SF6sparky
Yeah, if we’re talking about tens of millions of dollars, the location would mean a lot more to me than making 10% more…..or however much more it would be
YourDreamGM
Not often a player a player takes less $ because of location. A few million on a 1 year deal sure. 5 or 10 million on a multi year deal can happen. 10 or 20 or 30 on a mega deal possible.
Fans will see them turn down larger numbers often enough but it isn’t more in your pocket $. You need to look at state and local taxes. Cost of living. And for someone like Judge is it more lucrative to go to a new team or be a captain entire career Yankee. That’s a heck of a legacy and a ton of endorsements. Would have taken a massive overpay to get him away from NY.
If you are coming off bad years you will sign for millions less with the Rays than say the Angels. You didn’t take less $. You bet on the Rays fixing you so you can make much more $ in the future.
BigGarg
This is about what Chapman was worth.
solaris602
You got that right, and I’m gonna predict right now he won’t take either of the opt outs.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Both him and Belli would be stupid to not secure longer guarantees with new contracts even for a lower AAV once the RSN situations settle.
YourDreamGM
Don’t know about Beli. He may play 2 years before opting out. Or all 3. I project him having lesser year. Project Chapman to have better year so likely he opts out.
slider32
No, it’s about how Chapman plays for the Giants. We will know that answer in 3 years.
JackStrawb
Hardly. A consistent, 30 yo 4 win 3Bman turning 31 is worth $18m with opt-ins?
You won’t find even one such example, in current dollars.
Rishi
A contract that actually makes financial sense. Would’ve expected more years but this is what I think he should get. Agents understandably seek to get more by looking at overpays which abound everywhere one looks but the market is not always in a position where you are gonna get those. Chapman is a good player but defense sometimes falls of with age and his offense, while solid, doesn’t have much room for regression. I thought he’d get around 80M for 4/5 years.
DarkSide830
WC1 my you-know-what. Phillies are winning 90+.
808sAndMetsHeartbreaks
SCOTT BORAS LOSES. AMERICA WINS. GOD BLESS
gbs42
Why is Boras losing good for America?
808sAndMetsHeartbreaks
BASEBALL IS BACK BABY
SoCalBrave
How is this a loss for Boras? A loss would be if his clients don’t sign before the start of the season, or if they sign for something below market value
unpaidobserver
This appears to be significantly below market value.
TMQ
Boras definitely isn’t losing. Just wait until next off-season when he has Soto, Alonso, Bergman, Bellinger, Corbin Burnes, Scherzer and possibly Garrett Cole
mlb fan
“Boras definitely isn’t losing…Soto, Alonso, Bergman”…And how many of those guys will drop Boras WELL before they become free agents?…I can’t see too many top of market guy’s trusting him after this years fiasco. A trained Monkey could have gotten Belli & Chapman 100M+, but Scott Boras the genius advised them to turn those offers down.
lasershow45
0.
bullred
Yeah I can see clients dropping him now. I would if I were them. He is stuck in the 90’s with his methods of trying to leverage time against teams.
User 3180623956
Ahhhh, jealousy. For those insecure and immature souls who are unhappy with their own lives and refuse to admit it.
bullred
Yes. So true. Boreass sucks!
aragon
It’s a great sign.
Theodore
Your right Chapman 18 M per season
We in Toronto signed IKF for 15M a season instead of bringing Chapman back whst a Jock Rogers is letting Atkins and Shapiro running our ball club in Toronto,
Be happy with what you got.
aragon
Not my team. Just cogratulating the Giants for a good sign. Either of us have peaked into the future and how well it will end. Dumb Canadians!
Stealing Signs
@Theodore
Except that we didn’t. IKF is $15MM total over two seasons.
$7.5MM per season for those of you who can’t do math…or are incapable of stating the truth because it doesn’t fit their narrative.
bullred
IKF is signed for 7.5 Mil a year and he is to replace Merrifield’s 94 ops+ @ $6.75 mil not Chapman.
Pickle_Britches
IKF got a 2 year deal for 15 million
slider32
I would take that bet, Chapman out performs IKF the next 3 years, but by how much?
User 3014224641
Your projections are based on?
splinkysf
Dude. Unbelievably amazing deal for SF. Now to Zaidi.
They just went from -2 defensive runs saved at 3B to about 26.
Great job. Bye bye JD. We can save 6m this season and get a 4th or 5th starter
Seamaholic
No one’s trading pitching right now. They’re now gonna trade JD for nothing. A level lotto ticket.
dkhits20
Yep. Gio Urshela signed for $1.5 mil and teams are paying a premium for subpar innings-eaters types this offseason, so what kind of 5th starter would you get for JD Davis?
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Cubs should offer to trade Drew Smyly for JD Davis and pay any difference in cost, but Giants would decline
SeibuLionsNPB
This actually is a good trade proposal for both teams.
Hammerin' Hank
Which is about what JD is worth
scottn59c
Keep in mind that the Giants can add other pieces to a JD trade., They can trade from their stock of pitchers in the minors, and they have no use for Joey Bart, who’s worth a look to another club. Giants could also look to move Conforto.
tedtheodorelogan
But nobody is going to want a combination of Giants spare parts, which all require a roster spot, for a useful pitcher.
scottn59c
They probably have to package such guys with a somewhat enticing minor league arm.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Now they can trade JD Davis to the Mariners for George Kirby.
Hammerin' Hank
He’ll be popular in the clubhouse at least!
User 4223176798
Not just JD. Yaz or Conforto too. Matos needs to be that 3rd outfielder. Deal one of the left handed outfield bats. Package Yaz and JD along with a super prospect like Birdsong, Wisenhunt or even Arteaga for a pitcher that is ready now.
Seamaholic
If they’re throwing in Whisenhunt that’ll get some attention!
TellItGoodbye
Can we toss Joey B into that trade? Please! Matos should most definitely be in the lineup every day going forward. Toss in Heliot as well, seems to be a bust. Get Schmitt going at AAA, and if/when he’s ready, Luciano goes to RF. Imagine Matos/Lee/Luciano as your everyday OF! No more injury-prone old dudes. Fitzgerald is going to be the one to watch this season. He’s definitely making the opening day roster. So many options. Can’t wait for the season to begin!
Pickle_Britches
Luciano is injury proned though
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
I’m not surprised by this.
Tacoshells
God bless Matt Chapman
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Taco shells have no nutritional value.
unpaidobserver
Unbeatable crunch tho!
Yankee Clipper
Last night at dinner they sure seemed to though! Mmmmmmm, tacos.
geg42
Mason black
JD Davis
Joey Bart
For
Edward Cabrera
Who says no?
king beas
The marlins
Pickle_Britches
That’s a good deal. Cabrera is avg so you get an avg return. What do you expect to get top prospects? Lol id take Trevor Rogers and over Cabrera
Seamaholic
I don’t even know who Mason Black is and I laughed out loud at this suggestion.
5TUNT1N
One of those strong young starting pitcher the giants have a surplus of, well maybe not a surplus but there is still about 4 rarely spoken of giants that fans know are coming.
Seamaholic
TINSTAAPP.
Jean Matrac
So you admit to being ignorant to who Mason Black is, but you’re sure that deal is laughable.
mlb fan
“So you admit”…Mason Black is a nobody and very few know who he is. Why is that significant? You can’t expect people to keep track of all the AAAA players on the SF Giants, there’s simply too many.
Jean Matrac
Do you really need that explained to you? He literally said he had no idea who a player is, but that player’s not worth much in trade. How can he know what Black is worth when he has no idea who the guy is?
I don’t expect him, you, or anyone else for that matter, to know who Mason Black is. I do expect, when people make a value judgement about a player’s trade value that they should be familiar with that player, and what his value is. There are plenty of uninformed opinions on this site, but making a value judgement on a player you’ve never heard of is absurd.
Pickle_Britches
Don’t worry nobody knew who Cabrera was until he made it up to the MLB.
Rsox
The Marlins already have a 3B that can barely field (Burger) and will likely have to use DH AB’s to try to squeeze any value out of Avisail Garcia. No fit here
Seamaholic
And they aren’t paying JD Davis $7m either. Best hope for a trade might be Brewers, but they don’t have any extra pitching (who does).
slider32
No more trades please, wait until the deadline! Let’s get the rest of the free agents signed.
Diggydugler
Ross Atkins is THE WORST GM of ALL TIME!
Theodore
That’s 100 percent on the ball but , also give a lot a crap to Rogers for allowing them to stick around
unpaidobserver
Yeah you really have to struggle to get outwitted by Zaidi.
YourDreamGM
Not even close
bravesfan
Yup…. Good signing for them at a decent price. Looking like Boras hurt his clients bad this offseason although I think this is their true worth. Giants need pitching, so go get snell or Montgomery
Wadz
Pitching is always a premium so the contracts for the arms will be interesting.. Chapman hit horribly like 3/4ths of 23..
Brew88
Surprised by the low AAV and short duration of contract
Wadz
Chapman stunk most of last year.. and the majority of his value is 3B defense which could start to slip anytime
Theodore
You think Chapman sucks then we will trade u IKF and see how you like it after Jays paid 15M a season for him , and Rogers agreed to that
Stealing Signs
Stop lying. You know they aren’t paying him $15MM a season.
Continuously lying about it won’t make it true.
adshadbolt
Terrible deal. Schmitt has the potential to be just as good a defender and cost the league minimum for the next three years. Him trying to play SS after never really playing there hurt him. The way Chapman hit outside of April he and Schmitt had similar offensive seasons. I would rather see the money spent on pitching and saved for next year
Travis’ Wood
Teams operate on yearly budgets. There is no “save money for next year”
Seamaholic
Chapman is in next year’s budget too.
Travis’ Wood
Not once he opts out… he’s not staying more than one season unless he’s injured…
5TUNT1N
I think Chapman and Schmitt have similar profiles, it’s hard to think that Schmitt at this time with his little experience is at the level of Chapman. The Giants went with a youth movement but have slowly and cost effectively brought in a cy young veteran pitcher to help with these younger guys it’s not accidental there top prospect is a left handed pitcher. Along with soler’s offensive prowess. And now Chapman to help mentor Schmitt and other infielders like Luciano etc.
Jean Matrac
Chapman’s July was almost as good as his April. And he had a 108 OPS+ last season. Casey Schmitt couldn’t hit his way out of a paper bag last season. He had an OPS+ of 60, 48 points worse than Chapman. Schmitt might become a league average hitter, but he wasn’t ready to do so last season. He needs to improve his bat-to-ball skills, and especially his pitch recognition. Zaidi would be a fool to depend on Schmitt for 2024.
Pickle_Britches
Id be surprised if Schmidt ends up as good as Matt Duffy
scottn59c
Honestly, apart from his first 5 or 10 games, Schmitt looked really overmatched by MLB pitching, and while he made some eye-popping defensive plays, I don’t believe that his overall defensive metrics were all that great. He’s a guy who can see some MLB action this year, but by no means a player you want to hand the keys to.
Pickle_Britches
Schmidt is terrible. He never really did good in the minors. Weak contact rating in all of MLB last year. I wouldn’t pick my teeth with his rookie card
99socalfrc
I just don’t get the hype with this guy. Paying him $20m for a season of work is a stretch. His offensive numbers are just not that good and there are lots of guys who can play 3B
TellItGoodbye
Me either. 20M that could’ve gone to a pitcher.
YourDreamGM
They can’t play 3b as good as him. A few can but they aren’t available. Most teams buy future numbers. They don’t care about 2022 2023. His 2024 looks better. The right hitting coach it could be a lot better.
splinkysf
You all may be surprised at this, as I was, but Chapman hit 72 HR over the past 3 seasons.
Unlike the vast majority of players, adjusting his PAs to Oracle Park, he would have hit 86 HR.
His hard hit rate is quite high. In short, they’re getting a guaranteed minimum of 25 defensive runs saved compared to JD Davis (who cost 3 runs). We are a ground ball heavy rotation, so this would unsurprisingly exceed 30-35 runs saved if he is healthy.
He’s another must removed from torn labrum and with his bat strength and profile for our park, this is probably the ultimate No Brainer No Loss deal of the offseason, factoring in the low risk nature of the contract. Yes, that includes LA’s big 2.
Quite the coup’d Zaidi. Now dump JD for an innings eater and we are good for now…
Then get Bregman next year. 😀
Nirvana
scottn59c
Uf. Bregman can go bang a trashcan next year.
Pickle_Britches
Defense wins games and makes pitchers better. WAR is a key factor in how valuable a player is for a team. Chapman had a better WAR than Machado, Arenado, and Devers last year. Lol
Diggydugler
IKF GOT 15/2 WITH NO OPT OUTS! (bad for team as they dont want him a $7..5M /y)
bullred
They must have been bidding against another team if they went that high for IKF. Maybe the Yanks wanted him back.
DanUgglasRing
I really didn’t want chapman but honestly this contract is pretty friendly and he’s clearly better than Davis so it ain’t bad in the end after all.
oldgfan
I’m right with you.
They can still use JD in a utility roll if they don’t have a trade lined up.
claude raymond
Baseball Savant has him hitting 86 homers in oracle the last 3 years. His actual total was 71. He could likely have a resurgent year hitting. Trade Conforto (probably need to pat a chunk of his $18mil). JD can play leftfield and first base.
Seamaholic
He can play LF in the sense that I can play LF.
Seamaholic
He can’t play anywhere but first and third and DH, and they have full timers all three places. He’s completely screwed at this stage of ST.
splinkysf
Nope. They’re right handed utility heavy. He has to go especially with his 7m ridiculous salary.
Pickle_Britches
And that’s all JD is good for lol
Ann Porkins
3/$54M?? I love this deal for the Giants. His defense on that short of a pact will do wonders for be grounder-heavy pitching staff, and there’s a decent shot his offense will still be passable. And that AAV isn’t going to prevent them from doing anything else over the next three years.
I’m guessing that means JD Davis and/or Conforto are going to be traded for some pitching help. The Giants could pay a bunch of salary to get in a deal to get a fifth starter, perhaps.
Welcome back to the Bay, Chapman
Diggydugler
Obviously it will be passable, he has a career 117 OPS+
myaccount2
Career numbers are not an effective way to predict the future outcomes for a 31 year old with declining bat speed and declining overall offensive numbers. Chapman was good offensively for 2 months last year and well below average for the other 4 (84 OPS+).
Wouldn’t shock me if he posts a below average OPS+ and wRC+ next season.
Diggydugler
it is possible but not likely. he has never had an OPS+ below 100 in his career.. Also where do you get declining bat speed? he was in the 98th to 100th percentile in EV/ Barrels and HH% baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/matt-chapman-…
Dont believe everything you read on twitter.
myaccount2
No Twitter; I too referenced statcast to come to my conclusion. EV, barrel, and slugging don’t necessarily refute my assertion of declining bat speed. One can still make good contact with declining bat speed, but there’s a reason his x stats outpaced his real stats, despite that.
First, he saw the highest % of meatballs he’s seen since 2018, so he had more opportunities to just destroy bad pitches than in the past.
Much more importantly, his pull rate declined significantly and his oppo rate increased significantly (we’re talking ~8% less pull and ~7% less push with an increase on up the middle), indicating he’s been later on balls. He also hit more HR to the right side of the field than the left side last season. That led to the lowest no-doubter rate of his career by a significant margin. That means it’s highly likely some of those HR will end up being flyouts this season, particularly in SF. I highly doubt his gameplan last season was to continue belting the ball but doing it to the opposite field where his no-doubter rate would decline and many balls would hang up and become flyouts. If he did, it was a terrible decision and greatly supports why his x stats would outpace his actual results.
His whiff rate also ticked back up to the 16th percentile, *potentially* suggesting that he’s been later on some balls.
As for his overall offense, his xBA was 16th percentile, which was bad enough that his 78th percentile BB rate only led to 48th percentile xOBP.
So, potentially further reduced slugging rates combined with below league to slightly above league average OBP skills is how I concluded that he could have his first sub-100 OPS+ and wRC+ seasons along with very high K rates (which he’s always had but are not good in combination with other factors), aging, and the fact that he can’t seem to get fully healthy. It’ll still likely be passable offense if this happens because it’ll probably be in the 90s for both categories, but it certainly wouldn’t be results worth the salary.
Pickle_Britches
Only if he actually hit good after the AS break last year would be go from top 5 3b in the league to top 3. Defense is key to winning games
User 112202899
They need a 2nd, 3rd, and 4th starter as well.
Wadz
I can see them getting Lorenzen…
Seamaholic
Yeah that’s my guess.
splinkysf
Lies
Seamaholic
I’d be shocked if any pitcher is traded in ST. They never are, as no one has extras. Would have to massively overpay.
myaccount2
Jason Hammel was traded during spring training twice and went on to have stellar seasons both times with his new teams. Both times, Colorado and Baltimore made the playoffs, as well.
But you’re right, it’s very rare.
stymeedone
Most teams are relatively healthiest coming out of Spring training. If ever.a.time to acquire an extra pitcher, it would be now.
Seamaholic
No because teams know injuries are coming and most teams are still dreaming of having a competitive season.
5TUNT1N
Would prolly prefer Conforto be the odd man out, really wasn’t impressed with him in the field to say the least. And I’m pretty sure when healthy his bat was basically league average. And he’s getting what like 18m?
oldgfan
Yup 18m
JD has more versatility than Conforto.
They will probably float them both out and trade either one depending on interest and return.
YourDreamGM
He should hit better this year. I wouldn’t guess those 2 are traded for starting pitching.
SweetBabyRayKingsThickThighs
Meh
mlb fan
At the end of the day, teams will decide player’s salaries and set the market, not Scott Boras.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Why do you want supply and demand to be set by only one side?
The market is met jointly by management and labor.
Boras was slightly off this year – or way off – we have no way to know if Chapman turned down an earlier offer for more or not.
But the system is working, supply and demand. No rules changes needed.
mlb fan
“Why do you want supply and demand”…..How is what I “want” even relevant, my friend?…I’m just stating how it really works, not what I “want”. Signing players is not about your feelings nor mine.
unpaidobserver
Yelled Mozeliak defiantly at his television screen.
NYCityRiddler
Correction. Mr.Valentine has set the price. Ahahaha!
TrillionaireTeamOperator
I think this is a consolation and honestly let’s be real, every single one of these consolation contracts are placeholders until the teams/league get new broadcast/streaming deals and then if they remotely live up to the deal they’ll opt out, re-sign for like 4 years/$100M for Chapman and 4 years/$135M for Bellinger or something along those lines.
okinnitram
Now sign snell
myaccount2
I knew he was never getting 9 figures.
TellItGoodbye
Can he pitch?
chaneyb
Kind of surprising that Bellinger and now Chapman have signed before Snell and Montgomery. If I’m one of those two starting pitchers I’m losing my mind with every day I’m not in spring training, facing hitters and getting ready for the season.
Rsox
Montgomery probably signs with the Red Sox the day after Snell finally accepts whatever the Yankees have offered
Diggydugler
Nightmare offseason for the Jays FO
Theodore
You think . Atkins and Shapiro should not still be running this organization and Rogers should take all the blame
bestone
Hmmm….maybe some of these moves (or lack of) were done so that fans would forget last year’s Moreno trade and shenanigans of the “analytics team”….
bestone
The Giants now have Stripling, Hicks, Ray, and Chapman on their roster…none of these guys wanted to stick around Toronto…
Pickle_Britches
Stripling is on the As
bestone
Good catch…I must have missed that one…
spliffTONE
@bestone: Stripling is on Oakland’s roster
bestone
Thanks…good catch. Regardless, it seems that many that were traded to the Jays, don’t stick around.
BondsAway
Everyone is so concerned that we lose a draft pick. Who cares. In the last decade, SF’s 1st round draft picks have sucked. Bickford, Beede, Shaw, Bishop, Bart, Bednar, Arroyo, Stratton, etc. So we won’t be getting the next Phil Bickford or Chris Shaw, instead we get an established gold glover who (because he can opt out) will have extra motivation. If Marco struggles they can put Chapman at SS & JD can play 3rd. MC glove is that good. Now go get Snell or Mont. & SF will have a solid off season
Wadz
In isolation losing a pick for signing a QO guy isn’t a huge deal while competing.. Losing one to make your team a slightly better WC3 contender for a guy if he’s good will leave after 1 season.. and if he’s bad is an anchor for 3 years is hilariously bad and desperate management.
stymeedone
It also makes it less likely they sign Snell to a similar contract, as they would lose another pick in the same draft, and more pool money.
DanUgglasRing
Chapman at SS is hilarious and unserious at best. Zero chance he plays there in any case other than an emergency. If Luciano was destined for third base (where he’s much stronger than SS already) they wouldn’t have signed chapman in the first place.
Seamaholic
Chapman’s a pretty decent SS. Not bad at all.
smuzqwpdmx
I mean, sure… you can probably turn one of the best defensive third basemen in the game into an average shortstop. You end up with a barely over replacement level shortstop making $20M, in order to ensure you can keep a barely over replacement level bad defensive third baseman.
Or you could let Chapman do what he’s good at and have a good player.
derail76
I’m a Dodgers fan, but I like this move for the Giants. 20 million this year for a guy that put a 4.4 bWAR season last year, then 18 and 16 the next two. He’s only 30, if he can get back to what he was before the hip, this could be an absolute steal for the Giants. The D-Backs and Padres being competitive are cute and even admirable at times. But the west is best when the Giants and Dodgers are at each others throats. Go get Snell now, Farhan.
YankeesBleacherCreature
As a pompous Yankees fan, I enjoyed the O’s trading for Corbin Burnes and have been disappointed to see the Red Sox take a step back. It’s too late in the offseason now for them to snag Snell or Monty so maybe the Blue Jays do so for a similar deal.
vaderzim
Makes the lineup look deeper, hopefully Chapman does well in his first year there.
YourDreamGM
Likely does so well it’s his only year there. Can always extend or sign him.
splinkysf
I hope he does amazing so he opts out and we bathe Bregman in bucks next year
PutPeteinthehall
Thought he would do better. 4/60 with a buyout of a fifth year of 12. Kinda surprised but Borass really overplayed his hand if there was 100m offered by Toronto. He ended up with little more than half. Another casualty of big Scott….. He is probably a lousy card player too.
mlb fan
I think the Boras guy’s exorbitant, crazy initial ask sent at least 5-7 teams running for cover. And by the time they faced reality and became more reasonable, most of their suitors had already spent their alloted budgets elsewhere. Players can hold out, slow up and drag out the free agent process, but it’s not realistic to think teams will wait for them.
Gmen777
I mean three years with a less than $20M AAV for one of the best defensive 3B in baseball, backing up a pitching staff that led baseball in GB% last year who is probably an offensive upgrade as well (this one is more of a knock on the Giants offense lol). I agree with most they needed a pitcher more but I think it’s possible they still might not be done.
Seamaholic
They barely even have a pitching staff.
Gmen777
Which leads me to believe they still might just sign Snell to a short high AAV deal
Sour Bob
They should sign Clevinger and Lorenzen both. They need 300+ competent innings more than they need 150 innings of star power.
Gmen777
Personally I disagree. I’m not a huge fan of either of those pitchers and remain unconvinced either are an actual upgrade over Keaton Winn or Mason Black. If they did that then down the stretch they’d have Webb, Ray, Cobb, Lorenzen, Clevinger and Hicks all on guaranteed major league deals then Harrison, Winn, Beck and Black who could all be stashed in AAA if need be. Id rather roll the dice on Winn, Black and Beck (if he’s coming back even remotely soon) than Clevinger AND Lorenzen. If they whiff on Snell and got one of them I don’t think it’s be too bad but both is a stretch
Seamaholic
OMG they are miles better. Watched Black a bit last year in the PCL. He’s gonna get eaten alive at least at first.
oldgfan
Earlier in this thread you said you didn’t know who Black was and now claim to have watched him a bit.
Interesting.
spliffTONE
@oldgfan: Lol I noticed that as well. Dude doesn’t know what he’s talking about but can’t seem to keep his mouth shut.
oldgfan
Black starts today against Pads.
Let’s see how long they stretch him out.
Gmen777
He looked pretty good to me
Diggydugler
would you rather have IKF at 2/15 or Chapman in the worst case scenario at 3/54 if you were trying to make the playoffs?
Theodore
Some one who has the right idea . Get rid of Shapiro and Atkins
Eatdust666
Chapman of course, because although he is a very streaky hitter, IKF is at best a utility infielder, yet the Yankees thought it would be a good idea to have him as their everyday shortstop in 2022.
Salzilla
I’m not a Chapman fan but that’s a good deal for the Giants.
Boras stock is cratering this offseason. Oooof.
Dread Pirate Roberts
Chapman and Davis were teammates at Cal State Fullerton, Drafted the same year and born 1 day apart… that’s all I got
Datashark
Maybe they get along good and they keep davis because he ain’t a bad player
Rsox
One of Davis or Wilmer Flores likely now has to go. I give Flores the slight edge at staying because he can play 2B and Davis can’t
Gmen777
Flores is also a much better hitter and although I’ve never heard anything negative about Davis Flores is definitely one of the more beloved Giants
scottn59c
No chance Wilmer goes; he’s the bedrock of this team.
DanUgglasRing
No shot they move Flores. That would definitely sour any remaining goodwill the fan base has toward Farhan and after this chapman deal he will heal his relationship with a lot of people a little bit.
Kayrall
“We”
Fitzy
Good pickup for the Giants. Wonder if Snell and Montgomery are going to follow this trend of shorter deals with multiple opt outs.
Datashark
About time! now the JD Davis trade watch begins or move him to LF
now they can focus on a SP
Gmen777
I think the Giants will try to trade Davis to save some $$$ and cap their offseason signing Snell on a short term high AAV deal with opt outs. There really is no better place for Snell on a one year prove it deal then Oracle Park where he has a sub 2 ERA and where his former manager is now. Rodon and Gausman made out like bandits but it’s all up to the FO
Seamaholic
Are they willing to go lux tax though? In a division with a super team and the defending league champs? They have some dudes on the way but that argues for a long term Snell deal, not short.
Gmen777
That’s the question idk if they would go over it but Dodgers have proven the last two years the division title is meaningless and over that span the Giants actually have more wins than the Dbacks and last year the Dbacks only had five more wins. With all the additions the Giants made and Melvin at the helm I think they’re on par with the Dbacks.
filihok
Gm
“Dodgers have proven the last two years the division title is meaningless ”
No. They haven’t
filihok
FanGraphs’ DC projections wRC+, 2024 WAR/600, 2024-2026 WAR
Chapman 109, 3.2, 9.9
Davis 105, 2.0, 3.4
Schmitt 80, 0.5, 0.8
stymeedone
Its still just projections or guesses. Let see how it actually plays out.
Sour Bob
No those are real stats. They used a time machine and everything.
filihok
stymee
“Its still just projections or guesses.. Let see how it actually plays out.”
Why do people make these types of comments about projections but not about idiots just throwing out guesses?
The anti-science movement is pathetic
Motor City Beach Bum
Filihok…you would think that the predictions you reference are 100% accurate the way you talk. They are a useful tool but not the be all end all. Stymedone is not wrong in what he said. Should we also replace scouts who have opinions with HAL2000? P.S. your people skills suck.
SupremeZeus
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YankeesBleacherCreature
Go to bed, lol! That doesn’t apply to a new sports player contract. Chapman still needs to take his physical and the Giants will probably hold a small presser when the deal is official next week.
Jean Matrac
Someone is seriously over-thinking this signing.
mab51357
Wow. That’s a reach imho.
websoulsurfer
Perfect fit and where I predicted he would sign in the FA contest. Giants needed a good defensive player at 3B and Chapman has serious pop in his bat. Even in an injury plagued season for him he had 108 OPS+ and 17 HR after averaging 27 HR each of the previous 2 seasons.
Seamaholic
He wasn’t injury plagued particularly. And his defense has started declining by most metrics.
websoulsurfer
He injured his hand originally in May and then hurt it bad enough in early August that by the end of the month he could no longer grip a bat and missed more than 20 games. Considering that outside of the Covid season he had not missed more than a handful of games a season since 2018, I am going with injury plagued by Chapman standards.
He had a 12 DRS and ranked as the 3rd best defensive 3B in baseball. 4th in OAA. In other words, he was exceptional on defense last season.
He wasn’t the best defensive 3B since Brooks like he was in 2018, 2019, but he was still exceptional.
loandinside
Whoa, a Scott Boras client gets burned. Should have taken the $150M from the A’.s. Can’t see this helping the Giants at all this year, unless he gets on the mound and pitches.
SFG.1
Champman also said no to Toronto who tried to extend him with a 4yr/$100mil deal before he hit FA.
websoulsurfer
I cannot find a single article that says they offered him 4/100. Do you have a link?
jaysfansince1977
Hey Web, Plenty of articles about Jays offering an extension of 4 years 100 Mil plus on Sportsnet.ca (Ben Nickelson Smith, Shi Dividi) and MLB Blue Jays web page (Keegan Matheson) all wrote about it last offseason and into last yeas spring training.
SFG.1
Check the link in this article above where it says:
“He also reportedly passed on an offer from Toronto that would’ve topped $100MM at some point before he got to free agency.”
websoulsurfer
Links?
websoulsurfer
Both Chapman and Boras said that Scot Mitchell’s report never happened. Do you have another link, because that one is bunk.
SFG.1
I’m always on the fence with signings like this. There are hit or miss. It’s an upgrade, but hopefully it doesn’t turn into a dud.
scottn59c
Yikes, I hope not. It felt like Longo was more washed up, though, when the Giants traded for him.
mab51357
Isn’t Longoria a little older also. Honest question.
scottn59c
Well, he is now, yeah, but when he came over to the Giants in trade, he was 31 or 32, similar to Chapman’s age at the present. But in Longoria’s case, the Giants took on 5 years, and they sacrificed a decent prospect in trade (Christian Arroyo – in hindsight, not a great loss).
Chapman is a good defender and has some thump with the bat. IMO, he’s likely to age better than Longoria did, but who knows? There’s a lot less risk in the structure of this deal, which could be anywhere from 1-3 years.
NYCityRiddler
Hmmm, so what you’re saying is, it could be good but on the other hand it could be bad, interesting. There’s so many deep thinkers on here it’s hard to keep up sometimes. Ahahaha!
SFG.1
LOL. Yeah, that’s what being on the fence, it’s hit or miss and could be good or could be bad all means.
It got several people talking about it which is more than I see you accomplished here.
NYCityRiddler
My only goal is to point out maroons. Obviously my job is done here. Ahahaha!
LFGMets (Metsin7) #ConsistentlyBannedBaseballExpert
WAR might be the worst stat on evaluating a player. It values defense too highly. According to WAR, Matt Chapman is a better player than prime Ryan Howard. Ask any sane person if they would rather have 2023 Matt Chapman or prime Ryan Howard and its clear what the answer is. Chapman got overpaid, its plain and simple. His hitting is below average. Defense is important but not to the extent people think. All these guys made the majors, they can all play their positions at a high level, just some are slightly better than others. This league is a joke
websoulsurfer
1 run scored is exactly equal to 1 run saved by defense. Exactly. There is no difference.
Seamaholic
True but many would argue that public metrics have no idea how to quantify a “run saved.”
websoulsurfer
Some would say that morons on boards don’t know how to quantify runs saved. No one intelligent says the experts and data scientists in baseball don’t.
CaseyAbell
Howard was a truly terrible defensive player. The bad glove cut into his value bigly, even during his MVP season. That’s just the fact, and it explains why Howard’s “peak” was neither very impressive nor very long.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Howard would be an elite DH now
CaseyAbell
Yep, that was Howard’s problem. He was strictly a DH in a league that didn’t have the DH. So the Phillies had to play him somewhere to get his bat in the lineup. But man, did he reek with the glove, and everybody knew it.
Jean Matrac
Howard was an great hitter for the first 8 years of his career But he was also a SO machine. He struck out over 190 times in 3 separate seasons, 199 times twice. The K’s were probably excusable early on since he had a high OBP.
But over the last 5 seasons he was absolutely brutal Over that time he hit .226/.292/.427 with an OPS of 719, and an OPS+ of 95. He really flamed out after his first 8 seasons.
spliffTONE
@LFGMets (Metsin7) #ConsistentlyBannedBaseballExpert: What’s really a joke is your attempts at baseball analysis.
LFGMets (Metsin7) #ConsistentlyBannedBaseballExpert
@spliffTONE In the 2022 season, Myles Straw had a WAR that was almost as high as Pete Alonso’s 2022 season. In fact, Tommy Edman’s WAR that season almost doubled Pete Alonso’s WAR. Tommy Edman is a twice as good of a player as Pete Alonso? Yeah I don’t think so
SFG.1
It’s 3, 3 year deals with options to opt out every year!!! LOL! If he sucks Zaidi and the Giants are eating it again!!!
Typical Zaidi deal!
stymeedone
Lots of opt outs makes it a typical Boras deal.
This one belongs to the Reds
It is three one year contracts all in favor of the player. If he craters, he gets paid, if he has a great year, he opts out and tries for more cash.
The teams continue to cave to the opt outs instead of locking guys in to the WHOLE contract.
DanUgglasRing
The price isn’t bad and if he doesn’t hit his glove is still consistent. I don’t really think this is a huge deal either way.
filihok
SFG
“It’s 3, 3 year deals with options to opt out every year!!! LOL! If he sucks Zaidi and the Giants are eating it again!!!”
Optouts HELP THE TEAM!
Optouts have value to the player. Since rhe team gives up something of value in negotiations the player gives up something in return. That something is almost always money.
If the Giants were to give Chapman a 3 year deal with no optouts it would be for more than $54 million
SFG.1
I don’t know how it does, look at the players who opt-in, they had bad years. I think it was Cobb who said he didn’t play well enough to opt-out.
The plus side is that the Giants will get a good year out of him because he wants to opt out and try to get a better deal at which point they can decide if they want to try to retain him.
filihok
SFG
“I don’t know how it does”
I just explained to you how it does
Because if a team includes an opt out the player agrees to take less money
CaseyAbell
The Giants will obviously try to move Davis now for some pitching, but good luck with that. At best he might fetch a lottery ticket guy in AAA or a fringe MLB guy. Still don’t understand why San Fran just didn’t sign one of the Boras hurlers. The organizational philosophy against big free agent pitcher contracts must be super strong by the bay.
CaseyAbell
True. I’m not from San Fran. I’ve never even set foot in San Fran. So I’ll call it San Fran until the San Fran cows come home.
Hammerin' Hank
He’s just using it as an abbreviation, duh, lol
oldgfan
The roster is set, I was right guy…
CCooper8920
The Giants seem to work their best magic with pitchers who aren’t at the top of the market; rarely works out when the sign a “big time” pitcher but they’ve turned around a lot of guys and former top prospects who’ve lost their shine
CaseyAbell
I just don’t see how the Giants contend with that rotation. If Webb goes out with an injury things could get really ugly really fast. Upgrading third base is nice, but you can only try to shuffle in openers and bullpen games so often. And if they try to trade for pitching, other teams will rip them off as much as they can because the need is so obvious.
I would just have used the money for Montgomery. Now the Giants are up against the luxury tax. Maybe not the end of the world, but now Boras probably thinks he can drive a really hard bargain for either of his big-name hurlers.
splinkysf
Just need a journeyman who can eat innings until the big reinforcements come, “SAN FRAN” DUDE BRA
oldgfan
You called it “set roster” LOL.
oldgfan
You’re the biggest fan of yourself.
dodgersvictoryagain
Oooooohhhh what a game changer. lol. You guys will battle Col for last place. Good luck losers
Moneyballer
Giants sign snell and they have officially won the offseason, if you don’t count the dodgers.
Dodgers2021 2
Golly the giants finally found a free agent that would sign with them. A lot of players pass up playing in the bay area
Seamaholic
Huh? They’ve signed a bunch.
YourDreamGM
B for Giants. He likely opts out but they got him at a discount. Should be just as good or even better in 2024. Good fit.
Seamaholic
Not sure about that. His offensive profile is all about TTO, and he’s going to one of the worst HR parks in baseball.
YourDreamGM
Front offices won’t even look at his hr totals.
xtraflamy
@Seamaholic – it’s actually middling, not one of the worst. 14 out of 30 in ballpark factor, and it would likely be more if the hitter profile Zaidi looks for wasn’t more line drive – doubles – control the zone.
CCooper8920
Incredibly happy with this move for the Giants; great guy and an amazing signing!
30 Parks
Good pickup.
Non Roster Invitee
Are there any players left that Farhan has worked with that they could sign? Maybe a pitcher?
Gmen777
Not Zaidi but Melvin might know a guy…
LordD99
Snell and Montgomery…you’re up next.
acoss13
Giants could use another starter, it’s not far-fetched.
Yankees1000%
Well giants got a very good player but anyway for giants fan dodger is a nightmare team this year
Dodgers2021 2
Giants are already in 3rd place. As a dodger fan, the padres always make me nervous. The padres have a ton of talent. Unfortunately they should of been this good when frank Mcourt was around because those were dark days as a dodgers fan!!!