Before the Padres’ season came to an end with tonight’s shutout loss in Los Angeles, San Diego provided a pair of injury updates. Ha-Seong Kim and Joe Musgrove both underwent their previously announced surgeries this week. Dennis Lin of the Athletic tweets that Kim had a labrum repair on his right shoulder yesterday, while Musgrove’s Tommy John surgery was performed on Friday.
Kim’s status will be one of the bigger stories of the offseason. The Padres haven’t provided a timetable for the infielder’s return. It’s not clear how much of next season, if any, he’ll be sidelined. The surgery comes at a brutal time for Kim, who is set to decline his end of an $8MM mutual option and reach free agency this winter. The defensive stalwart had an argument for a deal of four or five years at $15MM+ annually if he were healthy.
His market value is much more difficult to pin down now. Kim looked like a lock to receive and decline a qualifying offer midway through the summer. Unless the Padres expect him to be fully recovered early in the 2025 season, they probably won’t make the QO. The surgery raises the possibility of Kim taking a shorter-term contract. That could be a straight one-year deal or, more likely, a two-year pact that allows him to opt out after the first season.
San Diego will need to weigh a qualifying offer decision on both Kim and Jurickson Profar. If they let Kim walk, they’ll decide whether to go outside the organization for a shortstop or move one of their current players back to the position. The Padres used Xander Bogaerts at shortstop down the stretch. They could keep Bogaerts there with Jake Cronenworth and Luis Arraez on the right side of the infield. San Diego also has the option of giving Jackson Merrill a look at shortstop, but the 21-year-old had such a fantastic season in center field that the Padres may not want to change his role again. Bringing Merrill back into the infield would open a second gap to plug in the outfield alongside Profar’s potential departure.
Musgrove is under contract for $20MM in the third season of his five-year extension. The timing of the surgery means he’s very likely to miss the entire 2025 season. Musgrove isn’t willing to already close the book on the year, however. The righty told reporters he’s maintaining some hope that he could contribute if the Friars make a playoff push. “Some guys regenerate tissues faster than others,” he said earlier this week (via Jeff Sanders of the San Diego Union-Tribune). “I’m always going to leave room for the miracle of coming back in a crazy amount of time. But hearing the stories and reading up and doing my homework and talking with our trainers who have rehabbed tons of these, there’s a lot of importance in giving it the time on the front end that it needs.”
The 31-year-old (32 in December) would need an atypically quick recovery to pitch next season. The standard Tommy John rehab takes around 14-16 months. If Musgrove were to make a surprising return, it’d probably in short relief. The Padres will go into next season with Michael King, Dylan Cease and Yu Darvish as healthy starters. Martín Pérez will be a free agent, while Matt Waldron and Randy Vásquez profile better in depth roles. Musgrove’s injury could lead the Padres to acquire multiple starting pitchers this winter.
fba0017
Padres going to be trending down. The Xander deal is such an albatross of a contract. And Preller will continue to decimate the minor league system.
SweetBabyRayKingsThickThighs
Good thing Preller can scout and develop new minor leaguers
mlb fan
“Develop new minor leaguers”…I’ve never before seen such an endless supply of top prospects as the Pads seem to have every year.
Prellar overall, has been a big asset to the S.D Padres. And I’m having crow for breakfast, because I’ve ripped Prellar for years as impulsive, “bipolar” and reckless.
I Believe We Can Win
Which he just replaces with more draft picks and international free agents.
MLB.com did an analysis of prospects traded and found like 3-5% actually become something.
If you trade away 20 guys and 19 don’t become something but 1 does well trade usually favors you when you’re getting mlb production from guys you got for the prospects.
One part of prellers game people severely underrate is his ability to identify foreign talent
Pierce Johnson
Robert Suarez
Ha Seong Kim
Yuki Matsui
He’s hit more on guys coming over from the east than most.
I expect him to be active in the market again this off season
bag o ballz
3-5% unless you are the bobby Evans era Giants lol
Smacky
He traded Max Fried and the draft pick that became Austin Riley.
I Believe We Can Win
He also traded Dustin Peterson Jace Peterson Mallex Smith Matt Wisler and Jordan Paroubeck to Atlanta as well in those deals.
So 2/7
Zerbs63
Dodger pitchers surgically cut through the Padres offense, 24 consecutive scoreless innings..
Informed Sportsball Discussion
@Zerbs63 Hey, thanks man. All of us totally missed what happened.
Informed Sportsball Discussion
@fba0017 Everyone said that about the Pads this year. Not what happened. They cut money and got better.
You’re right about Bogaerts. Running out of “supposed to be a superstar” front years of that contract to make good.
Preller’s farm system was back to a top 10 system a year after trading for Soto. Everyone can pipe down on the “omg muh farm system” talk.
Shrutefarm
How much do we really Crochet is worth? What has he done? Seems like a “me first” player.
JoeBrady
How much do we really Crochet is worth?
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About 4.1 bWAR per year.
Butter Biscuits
Bunch of losers these guys
Informed Sportsball Discussion
Ok, super cool anon on the internet.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Labrum tear surgery is really tricky. Michael Conforto, Tatis, Jr., Miguel Andujar, Shawn Green, and Troy Glaus come to mind. It can take years to regain strength, if ever, as their post-surgery stats indicate. Kim isn’t a power-hitter so I wonder how it will effect him.
I also found this:
sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2666061X230…
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
I don’t what happened between Game 3 and Game 4 but the Padres had all the momentum and energy in the world until…they suddenly did not. And that all happened in their park too. Confounding and head-scratching. Wha’ happened??
YankeesBleacherCreature
Yamamoto found impeccable command and ball movement. He went 5 IP, 2H, and 2Ks through only 63 pitches and only 39 of them were strikes. The Padres hitters were off-balanced facing a $300MM pitcher. Dodgers relievers tonight hasn’t given up a run through 5 games.
I Believe We Can Win
Dodgers made adjustments game 4 padres didn’t make adjustments game 4 or game 5
Game 4 padres should have went with a pen game and played match ups
Game 5 they should have switched up batting order moving guys hitting up and guys not producing down. Tatis should have led off with peralta behind him then manny.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
You’re right, starting Dylan Cease again on only 3 days rest was not an optimal decision. It wasn’t like he was dominant in his first start against the Dodgers. But he’s your Ace, your number one guy, they had the faith in him. But Cease might be the main culprit behind losing the series.
BlueSkies_LA
It’s hard to argue with the strategy when you have Darvish up next in a game 5. This series could have easily been decided by one swing of the bat.
Longtimecoming
Ig, I wasn’t a fan of starting Cease of a dueling BP game and yes, that turned out bad.
But when offense doesn’t score a run at all (for more than 2 complete games), can’t really blame losing the series on the game 4 SP giving it a go for the team on short rest.
JoeBrady
This series could have easily been decided by one swing of the bat.
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In a short series, variance rules. You literally need on bad play, or a 320 foot HR down the line.
Cap & Crunch
Lot of the insiders are giving a major hat tip to the Buehler water cooler slam, no joke…that’s when the streak started too
This team can lack emotion at times, I think it was a wake up call majorly needed
Butter Biscuits
I certainly enjoyed watching him take out his emotions that day he still has the fire in him
fred-3
The crazy part was that the Padres might’ve swept if they simply don’t pitch to Ohtani in G1. What a turnaround this series for the Dodgers. They’re finally peaking at the right time.
BlueSkies_LA
Momentum is sort of a myth. You have it until you don’t. We see this all year long through the regular season but for some reason it’s surprising when it happens in the postseason.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
But in the postseason it’s a different energy. I felt it with the Padres and Tigers. And definitely and probably most acutely with the Mets. This kind of palpable energy I don’t normally feel during the regular season unless my own team is doing something amazing.
Smacky
Dodgers deployed the trash cans.
amk1920
Preller found the Ohtani killer in Scott. But they lose and now Snelling and Mazur were lost for nothing. Most unsustainable model in baseball.
I Believe We Can Win
“Unsustainable”
Been doing it since 2016. Tore down the farm 3 or 4 times now and has built it back up every time with drafts and ifa spending.
This year he will have more draft ammo once Merrill finishes in ROY voting and get either a comp a or comp b selection.
Since the 98 WS team the padres have had 9 winning seasons. 4 of them belong to Aj Preller.
They’ve made the playoffs 5 times since 98. 3 belong to Preller
There’s also very few guys Preller regrets trading
Omg max fried!!! Yeah he lost Dustin Peterson Jace Peterson Matt Wisler Jordan Paroubeck Mallex Smith to Atlanta too.
When mlb.com analyzes trades and tells us 3-5% of all prospects traded wind up being something you can definitely find ways to win trading prospects. Prospects are only good for one thing. Cheap production. So if you’re willing to spend money, which some franchises aren’t, you can sustain success trading prospects.
Simm
Preller I’m sure regrets the 2014/15 trades but that was rumored to be pushed by the new owners. Half way through that season it wasn’t working and he tore it down to the studs doing a full rebuild.
JoeBrady
He does well with development, but don’t over-estimate it. According to Cots, over the past 4 years, they averaged 5.2 in payroll. and 12th in record.
oldguyG
It’s playoffs if Tatis got a 3 run HR instead of DP . Padres lost bats went silent . It was a fun season
27champyankees
Padres CHOKED
They had a 2-1 lead in a best of 5 and couldn’t put LA away. The series went 5 games and they scored their last run in the 3rd inning of game three. Lol
A total collapse…..Not unlike The 2021 Giants who like SD had a 2-1 lead and completely CHOKED
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Should never have gone back to Dylan Cease on three days rest. Padres could have put this away in Game 4 at home but completely screwed the pooch. What changed the momentum? Somebody must have sacrificed a rally goose on the pitching mound between games 3 and 4. (Maybe it was BlueSkiesLA ??)
Mojo37
NLDS featured two good teams. Could have gone either way, all the 20-20 hindsight not withstanding. That said the Dodgers victory is a delightful gift to the legion of haters and doubters we have been subjected to all season. I am sure many of the haters will continue their vitriol. That’s their problem.
The job is not done. Eight more games to win. Go Blue.
CravenMoorehead
At the end of the day you just want to see a hard fought series. Those 2 teams clearly don’t like each other and that made for a really entertaining series. LA and SD will definitely meet again in the postseason within the next several years and it goes without saying that it’s a win for the fans and baseball.
Gwynning
Hat tip Mojo, go represent the West hard, bro! There’s always next year, Friars…
Now excuse me while I cry for 6 months.
Mojo37
Gwynning
Echoing the cry of the Brooklyn Dodgers: wait til next year!
Mojo37
To get you through the off-season, or part of it, I recommend Doris Kearns Goodwin’s book Wait Til Next Year which has a lot of memories of the Dodgers-Giants-Yankees rivalry of the 1950’s.
Longtimecoming
Enjoy the moment Mojo. Classy approach which is a welcome thing on this site!
Mustard Tiger
The Padres can crawl back under the rock they came from. They’re done. They took a shot at the king and failed.
Gwynning
They’re done… for ’24, yes.
They’ll be even better in ’25!
Butter Biscuits
Nope!
Foothills R
Makes zero sense for the Giants to make a run at Kim. They will be paying Lee at absurd $18M or so and he has not done a thing to prove he belongs in MLB. And say what you will, Robbie Ray is due $50M more the next two years. Giants are desperate at short for a great glove but Kim is not it.
Fred McGriff HR
@Foothills
Where are you getting the figure $18M?
Have you watched Kim play, he is an excellent defender, and the other thing is that he can play any position on the infield, and he’s also a good base runner and steals his fair share of bases. He’s probably in the top 10 of SS in MLB. That is what he is, he’s not Bobby Witt with the bat, but he’ll still hit his share of home runs, and he has excellent plate discipline.
Foothills R
Cots. Lee’s contract was front loaded. $8.25M last year. $17.25 in 2025 and then $23.5 in 2026 and 2027.
And if the Giants were not saddled with Ray and to an extent Lee, signing Kim would be a gamble.
Niekro floater
Kim is stud n greatly underrated. Dude plays. Any team would be better w/em on roster.
Candlestoked
When I pull for the Padres (because they are playing the Doyers), I wake up the next morning feeling dirty, like I was making out last night with my sister. Know what I mean? Go Mets, I guess.
CravenMoorehead
I felt the same way when I was hoping the Patriots would lose against the Giants in those 2 Super Bowls (which they did) 🙂
Jerry Hairston Jr's Toupee
Dodgers gave the Padres the old rope-a-dope….
highflyballintorightfield
I think the Padres have to get mentally tougher. They are great front-runners…when things are going well they are happy to prance around, run their mouths, and show disrespect for their opponents and their opponent’s fans. Punch them back, and like a bully they’ll fold. Happened here and in the 2020 DS. Tough guys turned meek as mice.
Simm
It’s the playoffs, sometimes it doesn’t go your way. Nobody knows this better than the dodgers.
Mojo37
But why, some say, the moon? Why choose this as our goal? And they may well ask why climb the highest mountain?
We choose to go to the moon …and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard…because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win…
JFK
James Midway
It would have been one thing if they put up a fight but from the third inning in game 3 on the hitter just laid down. That was embarrassing. They didn’t even try. When it meant the most they just quit.
Mojo37
due respect but that’s silly. Pads didn’t quit or not try, they got shut down by superior pitching. could have gone either way, but it didn’t. this time they lost.
James Midway
I was at the games they quit. It was right out of the 2023 Padre play book.
Mojo37
fine. have it your way.
Simm
Nobody quit, they just could t get anything going. Saying otherwise is just dumb.
Mojo37
agreed
Jerry Hairston Jr's Toupee
Guys who quit don’t cry in the dugout afterwards….
Niekro floater
The moment got too big for Pads.
outinleftfield
Kim will be out until June at the earliest.