For a second straight offseason, Dylan Cease enters spring training as his team’s staff ace … and also as perhaps the most prominent trade candidate in the sport. The Padres, strapped for cash all winter, have made next to no additions to a roster that needs help in left field, at designated hitter and in the final few spots of the rotation. Trading Cease would only exacerbate their rotation need, but he’s the type of arm who could return an immediate fill-in (albeit one with a lower and less established ceiling) in addition to young prospects.
The Padres have entertained offers on the majority of their impending free agents under similar lines of thinking. Cease, Michael King, Luis Arraez and Robert Suarez (opt-out) have all seen their names pop up on the rumor circuit this winter. Cease probably has the most trade value of them all, given his track record, durability, reasonable $13.75MM salary, high-octane arsenal and the potential for an acquiring club to not only add a Game 1 or Game 2 playoff starter to its roster but also to potentially recoup a draft pick in 2026 if/when Cease rejects a qualifying offer in November.
A Cease trade at this juncture would in many ways run parallel to last offseason’s trade of Juan Soto, whom the Padres shipped out for immediate MLB help (King, Kyle Higashioka) and slate of MLB-ready (or close to it) arms: Randy Vasquez, Jhony Brito and top prospect Drew Thorpe. The Padres moved Thorpe before the season even began, using him as the headline prospect to acquire Cease in the first place. Now, they could conceivably trade Cease for a lower-ceiling/less-established rotation arm and some additional pitching depth and/or a young outfielder.
Exact parallels for a Cease swap are hard to come by, though Anthony Franco recently took a look at some general frameworks that the Padres could seek in a piece for Trade Rumors Front Office subscribers. Corbin Burnes, who went from the Brewers to the Orioles in exchange for MLB-ready help in the infield (Joey Ortiz) and on the pitching staff (DL Hall) — plus a competitive balance draft pick — is the clearest comparable in recent memory. Burnes was more consistent but also a bit more expensive ($15.637MM to Cease’s $13.75MM).
It’s feasible to think the Padres could command a big league-ready arm and outfielder to fill two holes on their roster while simultaneously freeing up some cash to backfill some of the innings lost in a Cease trade. Any deal shipping him out will bring back a lesser arm(s), and whatever savings the Padres secure could be used to further address the back of the rotation. San Diego probably isn’t going to give up the picks necessary to sign Nick Pivetta, but the free-agent market still has Andrew Heaney, Kyle Gibson, Cal Quantrill, Spencer Turnbull, Ross Stripling and Alex Wood, among others.
Alternatively, any money saved via trading Cease could be put toward taking on a chunk of a pricey starter’s contract. Marcus Stroman, Jordan Montgomery and Steven Matz are all buy-low candidates but all could probably be had with the current team picking up some of the bill.
Let’s take a look at some of the best fits for Cease based on a variety of factors including team need, payroll availability, luxury tax status and what type of young/inexpensive pitching and outfield help said theoretical trade partners could offer…
Orioles: The Orioles have made several additions to the rotation this winter, but they’re generally lacking ceiling. Charlie Morton and Tomoyuki Sugano would’ve been a higher-end pair to sign back in 2019 than in 2025. They could both still provide some average or even slightly better-than-average innings in bulk, but it’d be a surprise if either looked like a clear playoff-caliber starter at season’s end. Baltimore’s current rotation includes that pair, Zach Eflin, Grayson Rodriguez and Dean Kremer. It’s a solid enough quintet on paper, and they could get late-season help from Kyle Bradish and/or Tyler Wells as that pair mends from a UCL surgeries performed last June.
Baltimore hasn’t replaced Burnes, who signed a six-year deal in Arizona, with an arm of comparable quality. Cease would be just that. Between Kremer, Cade Povich, Trevor Rogers and Chayce McDermott, the O’s have a collection of inexpensive arms who could step into the back half of San Diego’s rotation. The prize for the Padres in a trade with Baltimore would probably be the bat acquired. The Orioles aren’t giving up Coby Mayo or Jackson Holliday for one year of a starter, but Heston Kjerstad once again looks like he’s a man without a clear path to playing time. The O’s could’ve penciled him in to replace Anthony Santander, but they instead signed Tyler O’Neill. Kjerstad turns 26 this month, has nearly a year of MLB service and hasn’t been given a full-time look. The O’s have touted outfielders like Enrique Bradfield Jr. and Dylan Beavers on the rise behind him, plus Colton Cowser already in the majors.
Red Sox: Boston hasn’t made the big free-agent splash that many expected, but it’s hard to say that any team that acquired Garrett Crochet hasn’t invested in bolstering the rotation. Crochet joins Tanner Houck, Brayan Bello, Kutter Crawford, free agent signee Walker Buehler and (eventually) a returning Lucas Giolito in a deep and talented Red Sox rotation mix. You could argue the Sox don’t need to further augment the group, but Buehler is a rebound candidate and Giolito could be on some kind of set workload. Even if that’s not the case, a September (and hopefully for Craig Breslow & Co., October) rotation scene including Crochet, Cease, Giolito, Houck and Buehler could be overpowering.
Crawford wilted considerably down the stretch, but he has four years of control remaining and is earning just $2.75MM this season. Depth arms like Quinn Priester, Richard Fitts and Cooper Criswell could all hold appeal to the Padres as well. None of that group has reached arbitration. Criswell is controlled for five more years. Priester and Fitts can be controlled for six. The Sox aren’t giving up Jarren Duran or Ceddanne Rafaela for a year of Cease, but would they consider selling high on Wilyer Abreu? They could turn to an outfield stopgap like Randal Grichuk or Mark Canha to give them a right-handed bat while leaving the door open for uber prospect Roman Anthony to seize a regular job sooner than later.
Twins: The Twins’ interest in Cease is a head-scratcher at first glance, if only because Minnesota is in a similar payroll crunch to the Padres. However, as the offseason has gone on, it’s been reported that Minnesota might not actually need to cut payroll and might even have a couple million to spend. The Twins could shed some money in other trades, perhaps shipping out Chris Paddack ($7.5MM), some of Christian Vazquez’s contract (one year, $10MM remaining) and/or utilityman Willi Castro ($6.4MM). A trade with the Padres could also send a bit of money to San Diego, depending on which pitcher(s) and/or outfielders are included.
The Twins have Pablo Lopez, Joe Ryan, Bailey Ober, Simeon Woods Richardson and Paddack in the rotation at present, with top prospects David Festa and Zebby Matthews already having made their major league debuts. Other arms like Andrew Morris and Travis Adams aren’t terribly far from getting a look. The Athletic’s Dan Hayes recently suggested that the Padres would probably want Ryan or Ober to headline a deal. Ryan seems like a bridge too far for the Twins. Ober is earning $3.35MM this season and has three years of club control remaining. Any of Woods Richardson, Festa and/or Matthews is pre-arbitration. The Twins have young outfielders like Trevor Larnach and Matt Wallner to pitch. Larnach is making $2.1MM. Trading one of Larnach or Wallner could open a clearer path for top prospects Emmanuel Rodriguez or Luke Keaschall to step into the big leagues. Keaschall has played more infield, but the Twins’ infield is already quite crowded, so his eventual home could be in the outfield or in a multi-position role.
Braves: With Spencer Strider on the mend from UCL surgery and expected back sometime in May, the Braves don’t necessarily have a glaring rotation need. Chris Sale, Reynaldo Lopez, Strider and Spencer Schwellenbach will create a formidable top four — health permitting. Righties Ian Anderson, Grant Holmes, Bryce Elder, AJ Smith-Shawver and Hurston Waldrep are in the mix for starts while Strider is out and give Atlanta ample depth for the fifth spot in the rotation should each of the top four be healthy early in the summer. Drue Hackenberg, a 2023 second-rounder, climbed three minor league levels and posted sharp results across the board in 2024, providing even more depth.
That glut of arms for what ostensibly appears to be one final rotation spot gives Atlanta plenty of options on the trade market. If the Padres want to acquire multiple lower-end but MLB-ready arms in exchange for Cease, the Braves are a potentially prime trade partner. President of baseball operations Alex Anthopoulos has implied that any rotation addition would need to be a clear upgrade over Anderson and Holmes, who are out of minor league options and thus virtual locks to make the roster. Cease checks that box emphatically. And with Jurickson Profar now in the outfield, Atlanta could at least consider the possibility of including Jarred Kelenic in a deal as well. Kelenic’s value is way down after a middling 2024 season, but he has four seasons of club control remaining and — once Ronald Acuña Jr. is healthy — minimal path to everyday at-bats on a roster with Profar, Acuña and Michael Harris II.
Cubs: As with the Braves, the Cubs have a deep collection of arms competing for what looks to be one rotation spot. Justin Steele, Shota Imanaga, Jameson Taillon and Matthew Boyd are all rotation locks. Candidates for the fifth spot include Javier Assad, Jordan Wicks and Ben Brown — with top prospect Cade Horton on the rise as well. Assad is probably the favorite thanks to a 3.40 ERA through his first 294 big league frames, but below-average command and a subpar strikeout rate lead to less-appealing marks from alternative metrics like FIP (4.49) and SIERA (4.66). The Cubs also signed veteran Colin Rea on a one-year deal, giving them a seasoned No. 5 option or swingman in the bullpen.
On top of the plethora of young arms, the Cubs have two top-100 outfield prospects in Owen Caissie (an original Padres draftee who went to the Cubs in the Yu Darvish trade) and Kevin Alcantara. Both are essentially MLB-ready. Alcantara has already debuted. Chicago has Ian Happ, Pete Crow-Armstrong and Kyle Tucker in the outfield with Seiya Suzuki at designated hitter. There’s no path to 2025 playing time for Caissie or Alcantara if the current outfield is healthy. Plus, Happ and Suzuki are signed through 2026 while Crow-Armstrong is controlled all the way through 2030. Dealing from their stock of outfield talent to further cement themselves as the NL Central favorite and add a clear playoff starter makes good sense. The Cubs already made a big one-year bet on Tucker. That ought to embolden them to further push all-in on 2025. At the very least, they could expect 2026 draft compensation for Tucker and Cease, lessening the sting of some of the prospects they surrender.
Mets: President of baseball operations David Stearns doesn’t seem to want to commit long-term to starting pitchers, making Cease a natural target. He’d immediately ascend to the top of the rotation in Queens, giving the Mets the clear Game 1 type of starter they presently lack. Cease, Kodai Senga and Sean Manaea would make a nice top three, with Frankie Montas, Clay Holmes, David Peterson and Paul Blackburn as options to round out the staff … unless, of course, Peterson is one of the names headed back to the Padres in a theoretical trade package. Like Cease and Michael King last year, he has two seasons of club control remaining. He’d give the Friars an experienced arm to take up some of Cease’s innings, and the Mets have plenty of additional names to offer on top of that.
Tylor Megill doesn’t look to have a clear spot on the roster, barring injuries. He looks like more of a depth piece but could add some innings to the San Diego rotation. Top pitching prospect Brandon Sproat is the type of near-MLB arm who could serve as a headliner. The Mets also have appealing young hitters like Brett Baty, Ronny Mauricio and Luisangel Acuña. All three are infielders, but they’ve all at least tinkered in the outfield as well. All three have the athleticism to handle left field. Mauricio is recovering from an ACL tear and might not be ready for Opening Day, while Acuña struggled in the minors last year and could need more seasoning. Regardless, they could be early-season options, while someone like Baty might be an option to step right into left field if the Padres feel a spring training of work there could ready him for a full-time look in the majors.
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There are, of course, other clubs that have rotation needs and would surely inquire. The Angels seem like an obvious fit but don’t necessarily have the collection of young arms and/or outfielders that the above teams possess. Jo Adell already has three years of MLB service and has yet to establish himself. Taylor Ward is only controlled through 2026 and is making nearly $8MM. The Angels need controllable young arms just as badly as the Padres.
The Blue Jays make some sense, as a team aggressively pursuing 2025 upgrades, but they’ve made those upgrades without sacrificing much in the way of prospects — perhaps in a nod to a potential Plan B if this year’s run at contention doesn’t pan out.
The Rangers, Brewers and Guardians could all make varying degrees of sense, but all three are running up against payroll issues at this point. Texas could try to send Jon Gray and/or Leody Taveras back to San Diego, but they’d need to include significant prospects to offset that pair’s lack of long-term value. The Brewers haven’t signed a free agent to a fully guaranteed deal and seemingly have no money to spend. The Guards haven’t rented a veteran starter like this at any point in recent memory and may be tapped out after re-signing Shane Bieber, Austin Hedges and Carlos Santana and signing Paul Sewald. Perhaps the Tigers could try to package some younger arms (e.g. Casey Mize, Matt Manning, Keider Montero, Ty Madden) and a young hitter like Justyn-Henry Malloy, but their recent addition of Jack Flaherty seems like their final move in the rotation.
Broadly, it’s pretty easy to make a case for Cease on quite a few teams. He’s a Cy Young-caliber arm at his best and is being paid less than the collection of aging veteran arms who signed one-year deals worth $15-16MM this winter (Justin Verlander, Max Scherzer, Charlie Morton, Alex Cobb). The best fits, at least from our vantage point, appear to reside in Baltimore, Boston, Atlanta, Minneapolis, Chicago (Cubs) and New York (Mets), however.
I think the Orioles and the Red Sox have made their moves for the rotation, at least until July. I dont think the Twins will give up the young talent needed to get a deal done
Mets, Cubs and Braves I think make sense. Mets could include Peterson, Baty and something else. Cubs could do Cassie and Wicks. Braves not sure would need to do some digging.
Padres would want Brown or Horton in this possible trade scenario to help them compete in 2025.
I don’t like Horton or Brown for the Padres because it’s unlikely they can carry a full starters workload in 2025. And the Cubs have too many lefty starters while the Padres need a lefty. But the Padres need a better lefty than Wicks perhaps they could use the money saved to get one.
The Padres would be gambling on the innings that Jordan Wicks, Ben Brown and Cade Horton could provide to their 2025 rotation. All were limited last season with extended injuries.
Horton has the least AAA experience but the highest ceiling. He also is the only one of the trio who had a significant arm injury last year as he works back from a subscapularis strain in his right shoulder which is the largest muscle in the rotator cuff. Because of his ceiling, Horton is also the least likely to be traded by the Cubs in a potential Dylan Cease trade.
If the Padres want certainty in their 2025 rotation, Javier Assad would be their best bet. They might then be good with one of RHP Brown or LHP Wicks.
As for their LF bat, San Diego would likely prefer a reunion with former top prospect Owen Cassie but might settle for Kevin Alcántara. A potential larger deal with the Cubs could also include Padres closer Robert Suarez who could share late inning duties with recently acquired Ryan Pressly.
Yeah i agree with all that.
Keep in mind the Padres would save a lot of money by moving Cease and they can use that money to fill the rest of their holes. They don’t have to fill them all with this deal.
what other holes would you fill with the Cease money. How would you fill the hole Cease leaves in the rotation?
I think Peterson is the guy that could at least potentially fill that. If not him I don’t know.
Given the statements from AJP this past weekend that the team “has a championship core”, ….”plans to compete for playoffs”….”will add a couple arms, a couple bats”., if they trade Cease, it’s hard to see how that wouldn’t be in conflict with those statements. It will be interesting to see what happens I guess
Wicks, Assad and Alàcantara. All 3 could open with SD on opening day
Cubs are not going to give up Brown and Horton. Caissie most likely stays with Tucker on a rental and no legit option other than Suzuki’s errors
That return is pretty solid. Chances are Alàcantara becomes a solid regular with his ability to play CF plus solid speed and power.
Cool, let’s check on with the Mets.
Surely that can beat that.
Idk about that. A top 100 plus 2 SP.
I see this as a payroll drop plus adding depth at a cheap cost. For a team that has over paid plus locked up that payroll into Ntc it gives cost control that is needed
For the Cubs renting is fine. They are all in and have Horton, Brown and Caissie to back fill for Tucker, Presley and Cease (if they do it).
Having too much quality youth becomes a problem when you have nowhere to put them. All it does is decrease their value by sitting on them.
Padres already asked the Cubs for a deal with Shaw plus Assad and Brown. Why would they take less now when all the TOR starters are of the market?
Over market value. That is why. You can want all day. Doesn’t mean that teams will pay it.
His market was made last year with the Burnes trade. Plus the Tucker trade. Tucker is a top 5 player in baseball and holds more value than Cease.
You have it backwards. Market value is what you assign after the trade is made.
Preller asked for Shaw, Assad, Brown, and a prospect previously. He controls the market since there are no other TOR starters available. The Cubs and other teams that want Cease cannot pivot to another pitcher of his caliber now, That time is past. So either they give Preller what he wants, or Preller happily goes into the season with Cease as his opening day starter.
Cease is a top 5 SP in baseball AND the only TOR starter that is being talked about.
The market has changed since last year. Especially for pitching. Have you not noticed how nearly every FA has signed for more than expected and nearly every trade of top players has had a larger return than expected?
Tucker actually holds less value according to BTV. Its a simple calculation of projected War vs. Salary. Tucker makes more.
Shaw has a higher trade value than Cease alone.
Stop posting stuff that you have no clue about.
You’re grossly overrating preller’s leverage here. If they’re shopping him like this, it’s because they are extremely limited financially—not just that they can’t resign him next year, but having his salary on the books this year is restricting their ability to patch up holes this season, even cheaply. The cubs are never giving up Shaw. I think the deal will likely look somewhat like Burnes’ deal last year, ML ready, back top 100 prospect and an unranked prospect with intriguing tools. I could see like Cade cavalli or Ben brown and another less popular minor leaguer. It’s not going to be some huge return
@Braves46. What makes you think Preller is shopping him? He’s always been a GM who will entertain offers on any rostered players. I think the buzz we’re seeing on Cease is being generated by media talking to other GMs, or media self-perpetuating their own narratives. But it’s a buzz most SD fans are familiar with given Preller’s propensity to test the value of players, and the general belief that the small to mid-market Padres can’t keep good players and are always in sell mode..
Good assessment but I don’t think Cubs will move Caissie, Horton, or Brown in a Cease trade. Possibly why those talks don’t seem to have picked up any steam. Cubs would be happy to send small package for salary relief but I can’t imagine they go with anything more than Alcantara/Canario, Wicks/Assad and a lower level guy. We’ll see. Cease would be a great addition but Cubs can’t go all-in for 2025 the way the Dodgers are built. They need a team built to consistently reach the playoffs for the next 5-7 years.
They haven’t picked up because preller asked for Shaw +
Especially for a rental. They already gave up a top 100 plus a starting 3B and a pen arm that was fringe for a top 5 player in baseball as a rental
Cease is not more valuable than Lopez in the Twins who was tied to the Cubs. That is a guy that can get a return centered around Horton and add in more talent
It is always going to be about control paid for. Rentals hold more impact in July as the teams needing it are more dire in need. Right now teams are not going to over pay.
Cease is far more valuable than Lopez. Lopez was league average last season and is owed $66 million over the next 3 seasons.
Astros asked for Shaw+ to start with too for Tucker and settled for a Top 100 prospect (Cam Smith), a MLB cost controlled experienced player (Parades) and a MLB cost controlled pitcher (Wesnicki). Cubs are shooting for the same type package to the Padres for Cease.. A package of Alcantara, Wicks and Assad sounds about on point and the most the Hoyer would offer at this time.
So you want to give a much lessor prospect, lessor second piece and a lessor third piece.
Cease dollar per war is less than tuckers.
baseballtradevalues.com/trade-simulator
Has a pay wall. But it shows current player trade value. It also includes prospect values.
If posters would actually educate themselves then these dumb posts would lessen.
Shaw holds more future value than Cease holds currently. Lopez comes with 3 years of control so Cease is not going to match that in 1 year unless Lopez gets injured plus 2027 turns into a bust due to the CBA
Nobody has said preller is willing to do an even trade value on that site.
That’s site doesn’t mean a thing to gm’s.
baseballtradevalues.com/trade-simulator
Cease has 33 net value. Assad, Wicks, and Alàcantara near 39.
That deal is a solid deal for Preller.
Preller needs to drop payroll here. So he is not in a position to over demand on deals.
Cubs do not need Cease. They are more likely going to get Bergman and move Shaw to 2B and sell Hoerner to get some payroll flex.
As is they have Assad, Wicks and Brown in competition with Rea as a fall back and Horton in Iowa 100% healthy again
So thinking that Preller holds leverage here is just fan boy talk. He has little right now. In July that dynamic changes as he is dealing with teams going into the play offs with clear needs and most of what is owed to Cease is paid off. Add to it it gives said team a pick to compensate.
Lmao, you are lost.
First nobody cares about what that site says. It’s sooo bad.
Two preller has all the leverage in the world.
One, he doesn’t need to trade cease.
Two, look at the list of teams lining up to try and get him.
Hate to break it to you but retorts are he prefers other others more than the cubs have to offer.
If he had to trade cease he could have done so about 100 times already. That’s just one time for each new mlbtr article.
BTV is the same place that said that Grisham was worth more than Judge in a trade. Its total garbage. If you are using it then you should really get educated about what players are actually worth and why.
Aaron, maybe that is why Preller asked for Shaw plus Assad and Brown previously. I doubt Preller is in a settling mode.
Who reported the “Shaw plus Assad and Brown” trade proposal? The only speculation I have read was that Jed Hoyer told A.J. Preller that any deal involving Matt Shaw was a non-starter. If that was the case, where did the addition of Assad and Brown come from?
Btw: The Cubs have reportedly just acquired recently DFA’d reliever Ryan Brasier from the Dodgers which would diminish any interest they might have had in the Padres Robert Suarez.
Was reported preller asked for Shaw+. Other people filled in some names for supposedly other reports.
Assad is a 3rd piece in a deal though. He’s a back end arm.
Peterson is not going anywhere. He makes $2MM and is not eligible for FA until 2027. He went 10-3 with a sub 3 ERA. If the Mets weren’t willing to include him for Crochet, no reason they would even think to include him for Cease.
The Red Sox could still reasonably offer Crawford and Abreu, each with multiple years of cost controlled production. Cease is clearly a level above either, but you aren’t going to trade a star-potential prospect for one year of Cease.
Other than that, agree that the Red Sox aren’t likely to do much.
We all know the Dodgers will be his future clubhouse
He’ll slide in nicely at #5 between Glasnow and Gonsolin. Until Kershaw gets back. Then he’s #6
Is this an article or a book? I dozed off reading it, TWICE. Holy wordsmith! Ahahahahaha!
Mad respect for the attention span of a goldfish.
Thank Google search engine.
Concentrate and ask again.
I thought cease was going to be a brave last year and I still think the braves are the clearest choice since they’ve done nothing his off-season
I was stunned when he didn’t go to the Braves last year. He seemed like the kind of guy they would trade for and sign to a team-friendly extension.
Boras clients don’t do team friendly anything.
Speaking of which, this site still has Dylan Cease’s agent as ACES. Cease switched to Scott Boras a couple of year ago.
That’s the reason you might not see the Braves being interested.
It shows Boras now in the agency database, and did last week when I checked.
They seem to have forgotten Kelenic is out of options, and hasn’t proven he belongs in the Majors. I can’t see him holding any value to the Padres. If he continues to not hit, they can’t even send him down.
@stymeedone: Kelenic isn’t out of options. He has one left.
Technically he has two options… if you count broadcasting.
If he doesn’t end up a Met then something is wrong. He’s the ace they lack.
Gonna cost them Peterson ++ then..
I really don’t want to deal Peterson. He’s just coming around…. Also fwiw I feel like people aren’t exactly recalling that he had a sub 3 ERA and he started in May or June but still threw 121 IP and 3 WAR like he was legit and going deep into games.
I agree only bc the Mets have all the pieces they need. They can eat the salaries of players like Peterson while trading Baty too giving the padres cap relief and depth. I still say there’s less than 5% chance he’s traded. He’ll start season a padre and pads will add league minimum players bc who else is left ??
At this time the Pads only need to fill LF (might do what internally with Ornelas and Rosario) and DH. So it’s not like they have big holes to fill
Maaan, I’m to the point where I’d love to see Ornelas and Rosario handle LF. Just judging from what I’ve seen of both, they’re ready to get real shots this year.
If the Mets can make the trade without including Sproat or Peterson I’d be thrilled. Sproat would be a no-starter for me. I’d also really like to see the Mets move Megill to the bullpen full time.
I think Peterson would be okay. I agree no sproat but would be okay with Tidwell. Franco failed to mention that Acuna had a very good albeit brief MLB deputy. I think Acuna would fit in for 2B and then move Cronenworth to 1B shifts Avarrez to DH and add Bader at 1 million like Profar to play Left or center moving Merrill back to left for one year. Pads save 8 million.
So Tidwell, Peterson and Acuna plus below the tier.
Peterson is the guy that the Padres would want. He’s Michael King 2.0. No guarantee it works out like King did but it might and that’s all the Padres can hope for.
They’re not gonna include Peterson in a deal
Maybe Peterson, acuna baty. My guess is the Mets will likely want to hold onto Peterson.
Padres likely will want Jett Williams.
Mets really dont need him if they get another starter. And they have Sproat perhaps ready by July.
The position players are tough not sure there is a perfect fit. Padres could use a lefty outfielder but thats not really what the Mets have except maybe Baty.
It’s important to keep in mind the Padres don’t have to fill all their holes in this one deal. They will have saved money dealing Cease and can use that money on whatever else they need.
No but they aren’t going to trade cease and only fill his spot with someone worse.
You aren’t trading Cease and getting someone better. So……
Haha if we don’t get something better we don’t trade cease…sooo
If you don’t trade Cease or someone else then the team doesn’t have the money to fill out the rest of the roster champ.
Do you say but Preller asking price has been so high. If he really wanted to trade him he could have to one do the 25 teams listed here today.
He can sign some bats and pitchers for very little as the season approaches.
sounds logical!
Simm, were you at Fan Fest? Not only did the FO on the panel that included Greupner. Preller, and Shildt say that the Padres could continue to have a payroll where they are today, but that they have the payroll flexibility to add for the right players. They blew an aircraft carrier size hole in the rumors that the Padres have to lower payroll.
Again, I wonder what exec will walk into their respective fan fest and say ‘our payroll is too high to sustain long term’ and blow their bargaining position out of the water.
I wonder how many would walk into their Fan Fest and lie to their fans after saying exactly the same thing a month ago at the Winter Meetings and having their payroll go up $44 million in the offseason. How stupid do people have to be to believe that the Padres are in the position where they have to lower payroll when their actions and words have consistently indicated the opposite?
I watched the entire front office speak. I really didn’t hear them speak about payroll.
You can watch it on YouTube
‘our payroll is too high to sustain long term’
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No one. All we know is that they haven’t moved one inch in either direction.
Websoul – not sure how many, but, John Henry, Kennedy, their ilk and the Red Sox ABSOLUTELY lie to the fans every winter for several years going…
FULL THROTTLE BABY!!!
It’s not a padres criticism. It’s a mlb-ownership criticism and I bet it’s more widespread where FOs lie to the fanbases more often than level with them.
$3.5 million inches.
John Henry has not been at either the Red Sox WinterFest or their new Fenway Fest in years if ever.
Werner didn’t take the stage at WinterFest last year either. That quote was from an interview in November. Werner and Kennedy did speak to reporters prior to WinterFest and Werner tried to backpedal from those comments. He didn’t repeat them like the Padres FO did.
I also want to hold on to Sproat and Tong. Any bats should be available except Jett. Any other pitchers including Peterson are fine with me.
Im a met fan but you cant get cease without giving up one of sproat jett or tong. I would actually think the padres would want acuna or butto.
Then don’t make the deal, if you need another arm late because Montas or Holmes or whoever isn’t working out, get one at the deadline. Or call up Sproat or Tidwell. No reason to give up top prospects for a year of Cease.
Then you haven’t been paying attention to what they have asked other teams for in a possible trade for Cease.
They can’t. At least one of those two.
Sure
Jett Williams OF
Tidwell RHP
Tong RHP
And reclamation project in Baty 1B candidate
I just dont think mets give all that for one year of Cease
At least we went one day without an article begging the Padres to trade Cease.
I wonder if AJP knows how desperate the world is for him to trade Cease?
More like the world knows how desperate AJ is to trade Cease. To the no delusional at least.
if he was desperate, he’d be traded by now
I thought they planned to “add an arm or two” !?
AND a bat or two!! Clearly AJP is waiting out the market in hopes of those arms and bats getting desperate enough to take 1-year low ball deals. If that doesn’t look promising by a week from now I can see him taking the best offer out there for Cease.
Your logic doesn’t follow. If he isn’t able to sign any arms won’t he need Cease more, rather than less?
Everyone left that they can afford isn’t worth more than a 1 year deal
How much are the Padres paying MLB trade rumors for this advertising
even when they’re not winning the offseason, they’re winning the offseason
Nothing – they can’t afford to pay them anything.
Wouldn’t mind him on the Cubs but a short term extension would be needed and only if it doesn’t cost the Cubs ONKC. I like Kevin Alcantara and Alexander Canario but I would be way more comfortable trading one of those two plus 2 lower level prospects for Cease. I’d personally prefer Michael King
If Hoyer really wants to seriously compete, this is the move to make. That power RH slotted between Steele and Imanaga, would most definitely upgrade that starting 5 in a formidable way. It’d be tough, but if he could get Cease with Caissie and Assad or Wicks, he should pull the trigger. Caissie may or may not be for real. He’s a prospect til he’s not and with their outfield set, he’s not gonna get to prove it in Chicago this season. Just my opinion, but I say strike while the irons hot.
problem is, the iron’s not hot. Nor is the Stove. The Padres are in win-now mode and have no interest in parting with an ace for prospects. I know social media is saying otherwise…
Yeah trading Studs/vets for prospects has never been Preller’s M.O. which makes sense considering he’s the most active prospect trading GM/Pres in the game.
Well, they traded Soto for prospects. And apparently they have financial constraints and need to shed some salaries.
they got a starter in king, flipped thorpe for cease, and got 3 other big leaguers
Nope. Preller traded Soto for 4 MLB players and one prospect that he then traded for Cease.
Cease isn’t signing a short-term extension with anyone little buddy XD XD XD
I know. That’s why it’s worth long term trading Owen Caissie.
I would not trade three years of Ober for one year of Cease, much less if the ask is Ober + other players. Obviously Cease has the better track record but not so much better that it outweighs the team control, and I would be absolutely not shocked to see Ober put up a better 2025 than him
Agreed. Ober’s numbers are only what they are because of 2 starts where he was rocked. He was a borderline all star and his metrics show him as a top 30 starter in baseball. He’s has additional room to grow as well. Would be a ridiculous trade even as a 1:1
Where is Brew? 12 in 12 days?
make it a baker’s dozen!
Look up. It appears the Os are your team
Of if i’m the Cubs, I don’t trade ONKC for the simple fact that Tucker will not be coming back next year and you can pencil him in as a starter next year after he debuts in a lesser role on the shuttle to get his feet wet this year.
I could see maybe alcantara, triantos, and one of either assad/wicks as an offer that SD would consider. Cubs could even throw in some cash knowing SD is cash strapped and that’s the only reason they would trade him to begin with.
If I’m San Diego, I don’t trade him unless it’s for ONKC and assad or wicks plus a lottery ticket or comparable trade from another team, I might even be a touch low here.
SD could keep him, not cripple the rotation and get the comp pick themselves next year. Without him they don’t advance in playoffs anyways, so if you trade him, you go full fire sale and try to compete again in a few years when the dodgers shenanigans are addressed by a new CBA and the ownership issues should be clearer.
Cubs could even just wait to trade for a playoff pitcher at the deadline, no rush to do it immediately. They should be competing for the division this year as they currently are rostered.
But if they want to get to the nlcs or beyond, they will have to add sooner or later.
I think Baltimore is signing OFers to trade Kjerstad + for Cease
Now we’re cooking
can Kjerstad pitch?
Yes, in the 9th inning up more than 10 runs.
Hence me saying Kjerstad + meaning others besides him.
Kierstad hasn’t exactly looked like an all-star. That “plus” had better be a darn good player. Even in exchange for a rental.
Andrew Heaney, Kyle Gibson, Cal Quantrill, Spencer Turnbull, Ross Stripling and Alex Wood were all predicted to earn in excess of $10 million this offseason. Why trade a TOR starter that makes $13.75 million only to turn around and spend $10 million of the savings on back of the rotation garbage?
Because apparently there’s nothing else to write about at MLBTR?
There’s absolutely no shot that anyone predicted that for all of those names.
Stripling and Wood is laughable.
Because they are “cash strapped”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quantrill is never making 10m next season. Not sure more than 2 of them will make more than 10m or even 10m.
A bit of hyperbole from Pads, but close, Heaney was projected at 2/24. Gibson at 1/13, Quantrill at 1/12. The other 3 were below $10 million. Turnbull at 1/7. I haven’t seen anything on Stripling or Wood.
You are correct. I was exaggerating a bit. Half of those guys would cost more than $10 million and the other 3 would not make the Padres team. Just not good enough.
Because you want to get the payroll to around 200 and you have holes to fill. Tear inducing news I know, but that’s what the people with Padre contacts are saying.
Fappert, no one on the Padres has said anything about a specific payroll number. In fact, they just said at Fan Fest they have no specific payroll number, could sustain where it’s at now, and can increase it for the right player. Where did you pull $200 million out of?
Post a link to even one. Not even Acee is a hack enough to say that. I believe the actual FO over you or unnamed “insiders” and thousands of us heard them say that they don’t have to lower payroll at Fan Fest.
BTW, maybe I am Pads, Brew, Gwynning, Simm, PadresPapi, LongTime, and every other Padres fan on this board.
Now hurry back to your multiple accounts that never post anything that is baseball related or backed by facts or stats.
Bowden and Morosi used 200 this week.
Nope. Just Websoulsearcher and outinleftfield. The desperation for validation in the Ha Seong Kim thread was the
Link.
I will help you. Here is his twitter feed. Everything he has said in an article or interview is linked there. Show us which one is where he said $200 million.
x.com/jonmorosi
If it was actually on Foul Territory, it would be easy to provide a link. I even posted Jon Paul Morosi’s feed to make it easier and you cannot do it.
I never believe you because I have never found any facts you have posted. Most of the time its childish insults and then later cursing and more childish insults when you are called out because you are lying, like this most recent post.
At least you are consistent.
Here are the Foul Territory episodes.
youtube.com/playlist?list=PL84SPahB55MVtqigbT0Ckuf…
Which one was Morosi on?
Oh please stop.
Ok. He didn’t say it. I lied.
Here is the one with Bowden.
youtube.com/watch?v=ds2CN49qxBc
The Padres section starts at 6:00. Where does Bowden mention $200 million?
Its only 2 minutes long. I am confident even you have an attention span long enough to find it if it’s there.
Exactly. You lied. Thank you for admitting it. Now we can move on with that as the filter for everything else you say.
Oh no. Cursing ! Ha ha. I’m Australian. It’s how we speak. Apologies for any offence.
Yeah mate. Childish insults like “fappert” ? Running
multiple accounts desperately searching for “I’m always right” internet validation and cred is the height of adult behaviour. Yeah. My bad.
No one. I repeat, no one,
is more consistent than your I’m never wrong overblown ego. Now get back to loving yourself.
Ha ha. Ok.
@Folpert3, they’re actually saying here locally they’re trying to stay around the $241 million, so, there’s that. And I take their word, vs. Yours and your supposed industry insiders……lol
Dude. That’s awesome. I don’t care. 200, 240 or 300. It’s all the same to me. I wrote what I had heard. It was Morosi on the Michael Kay show and an older Padre YouTuber guy that looked a bit like Bowden. I checked the YouTube history when I got home. My early onset dementia must have got me.
fappert, you lied. You got caught lying. Don’t try to spin it now after you were caught lying. Neither Morosi nor Bowden said anything close to that.
Post a link or admit you lied. Those are your only options.
Now you are trying to spin it on someone else because you lied and were caught lying red-handed.
None of them are getting that. They will be lucky to get 5 million each. You notice there all still available and nobody is kicking in doors to sign them ?
Trading a cheap Ace when you are wanting to compete and fresh off your best season in 26 years makes so little sense especially when the rotation can not sustain the loss.
Keep him and collect a pick with the QO or trade him in July if the team isn’t competitive.
To trade him now only makes sense if it’s a clear overpay and they’re getting a tremendous package.
Save this, and re-post it in the next dozen or so Cease trade rumor articles later this week.
Papi – pretty much what I’ve been saying all along. Same for King. I can live with Suarez going for a good return because they can cover his spot. They can’t cover 1 or 2 in the rotation.
Man, you guys just cannot stop talking about a Dylan Cease trade.
The speculation never ceases.
Seems like a Cease / Stroman swap could make sense.
Yankees eat $9.25M of Stroman’s deal, pay all of Cease’s $13.75M salary, Padres pay a measly $9.25M for Stroman’s services, Yanks basically pay $23M for Cease and are off the hook from Stroman.
I get that it’s not perfect and it still adds $6.5M to the Yankees payroll, but I assume that’d be more palatable than forcing themselves to find playing time for a player (Stroman) that they don’t want and who feels rejected by the team and likely no longer wants to be there.
Yankees paying 110% on top of whatever also
That would be great…for the Yankees.
Now it’s time to leave Yankees fantasy land and return to the real world.
Why would it be so bad for the Padres? They save $4.5M and get back a pitcher with upside.
Because they lose Cease and because Stroman also has plenty of downside in addition to upside.
@Trill
Think about this first a minute. Why would the Padres trade Cease, a SP with CYA potential, for $4.5M in salary relief for a #5 SP who has ’26 $18M vesting option?
If the Padres truly wanted salary relief, they can trade Cease for another team’s two top 15 prospects and a low-cost backend SP.
This trade also doesn’t make sense for the Yankees since they have already have a full rotation of very good SPs. If they want to allocate more money (plus 110%), wouldn’t they better be off addressing their current weaker positions at 3B, bench, and bullpen? Nobody cares about Stroman’s feelings (and I like the guy). He’s getting paid and baseball is a business. The Yankees having no place to play Stroman is their problem only.
That’s not going to happen
If Stroman was a FA, how much would he get? 1/8 maybe? Probably less.
If the Yankees paid all except the minimum of Stroman’s 2025 salary and $9.75 million of his 2026 salary if he gets to 140 IP in 2025 AND added in top 100 prospects they don’t have, it still wouldn’t be a good deal for the Padres.
Yankees fans hear of a star player being made available for trade and think “surely our disgruntled 34-year-old sixth starter on a bad contract will do the trick!!!”
Really – who trades a 1 for a maybe 5 to save 4 mil?
That is so ridiculous.
Ummmm, no. The Yankees could pay all of Stroman’s deal and the Padres would not take him in trade. Face it, the Padres don’t want the Yankees garbage.
What seems like a fair deal to you Any team any player
@pads fans. What seems like a fair deal to you for the padres to trade cease
Agreed. Pads are not trading for him even if he were free for the next two seasons.
Nah, I think trading Cease is the wrong move for the Pads. Keep Cease and trade Arraez for Stroman and Peraza. They get a pitcher and a young IF and we get our top of the order 2b.
Peraza may not be an every day MLB player.
Peraza, OCab, Rice, one of those I’d say. I more fully articulated it way below.
Ok. I read your post. Peraza is out of options so the Padres can’t stash him in AAA if he shows he isn’t ready in S.T. The Yankees need OCab even more if DJL can’t rebound. Ditto for Rice if Goldy falls off a cliff. If Wells gets injured, Rice can also fill in. Arraez is going to make Gleyber look like Ozzie Smith and he plays everyday. Yes, his offense will negate his defensive deficiency. But then is he really more valuable overall than Gleyber who signed for $15M? The Yankees will add a lot money to payroll by moving Stroman and depth pieces which the Yankees need. I’d say keep that money to add more at the deadline.
Didn’t realize it about Peraza, but as an extra piece he isn’t a bad throw in. I’m not worried about DJ’s backup anyway if we would be getting Arraez. DJ is the backup then. I like Cabrera and Rice, but I don’t rate them enough to warrant keeping if the deal is good. I’m not sure either has a future on this club. We’re getting something back for Stroman might as well get a 3 time batting champion, who absolutely is better than Gleyber. And tbh, it’s going to be near impossible to offload Stroman’s money. A like for like trade where each team receives pieces more valuable to them now makes a heck of a lot more sense.
Based on Arraez’ 2024 bWAR and fWAR, he wasn’t and Arraez was only a 108 OPS+ hitter with his gaudy hits total compared to Gleyber’s 101. For $15M, I’d rather have Gleyber, who still has hitter upside, over Arraez.
Well we can’t have Gleber so it’s mute, but personally I’d rather have Arraez’s on base skills in front of that lineup. All the WARS in the world can’t tell me what’s obvious.
I think you and along with many other Yankees fans here and I value Arraez differently. My evaluations lean heavily towards OPS+/wRC+ and WAR.
It’s not just Yankees fans. This is one of the big divides in fans (dare I say GMs too) period. I don’t look at WAR (in any form) as a definitive stat. I think it has more holes than Swiss cheese and doesn’t take into account what you can obviously see in game. The simple stats will always be most accurate because the math is sound and impossible to argue against.
Makes perfect sense. That’s why none of us work in scouting or a front office.
Your numbers are off of 2024 when he played with a torn ligament.
How about 22’ and 23’?
Don’t be so narrow minded.
His torn ligament doesn’t effect his baserunning nor defensive abilities. Can he be a 3+ WAR player again? Sure. Age is on his side. That’s exactly the reason why the Pads shouldn’t trade him esp. for the one-sided trade packages which my fellow Yankees fans have proposed which is also what started this whole conversation.
YBC, with all due respect, this is a very contradictory comment. You completely poopoo Arraez, pump up our need to keep OCab and Rice, and then say the ideas are one-sided towards the Yankees? I mean, you’re trying to play it so down the middle, I can’t tell what your valuation of the player is anymore. Should we not try because you think we’re under valuing him or just because you don’t like him?
The Padres are looking to make a trade to SAVE MONEY. Stroman is a terrible pitcher on a bad contract. Peraza is a failed prospect with negative lifetime WAR. Zero value. This trade would add significant money to the Padres books, while at the same time it is making them much worse. There is zero incentive for the Padres.
It’s cool and I am playing it down the middle. I don’t like Arraez enough where the cost of team depth and money added (for paying off Stroman’s salary plus Arraez’ full salary) is worth the rub. I can see why you’re saying if the Yankees have Arraez that they won’t need the depth. If somehow a trade can be worked out, I can’t see Cashman making any of moves of significance at the trade deadline because he may be cash-strapped.
In other words, the Yankees should not be pushing all of their chips in for Arraez because it will cost them more than a Stroman dump, some depth pieces, and probably a top prospect. The Padres do not need to shed salary that badly and still have a chance of competing this season as currently constructed. That’s my position and you and anyone else are always welcome to disagree.
Even if I did believe that stat means much, Peraza hasn’t played enough warrant any WAR evaluation yet. And I said Peraza or another youngster and obviously some bucks to cover the difference between Stroman and Arraez. The incentive is turn one player into two without spending money. Forget Peraza, I’m willing give OCab or Rice, both of which are very useful.
I just don’t believe Peraza has played his way out of AAA yet. And I don’t want to trade a Hamptom, Jones, or Vivas away for one year of Arraez. OCab and Rice are more useful to the Yankees than they would be for the Padres.
So your trade is cease for stroman and half his deal?
Why would the padres do that deal?
They’re not giving away cease for a worse pitcher and cash.
They wouldn’t
I mean they would take Stroman and half his salary but it’ll cost prospects like to get a deal done
Spencer Jones OF
Clayton Beeter RHP
Zach Messinger RHP
Henry LaLane LHP
And an mlb ready piece like
Osvaldo Cabrera
You’re paying the price for cease but also paying to make Stroman go away for half his salary
So Jones Messinger LaLane for Cease
And Beeter Cabrera for Stroman and half his salary.
Also an issue with his vesting option that novnody wants to pay.
Half the salary is half the salary if it vests Yankees cover half if not then no money owed
Round hole, square peg. The Yankees aren’t a good fit for a Stroman dump nor Arraez trade from a Padres’ POV unless a third team can get involved.
I think Cease is more likely to move at the deadline if the padres are out of it. The padres are reported to have had a huge asking price for him this off season meaning I don’t think they really want to trade him.
Very true. Though you never know if someone steps up.
I have a feeling Baltimore is signing OFers to trade Kjerstad + for Cease
That makes sense on the Balt moves. It also probably means they think Kjerstad is a bit of fools’ gold and want to deal him soon among the youth they have.
Yeah for a frugal organization to spend legit money on Tyler O’Neill instead of saving 40m and giving Kjerstad a shot gives this Padre fan pause. Of course it wouldn’t be a 1-1 but still.
I’m not sure the Orioles are the only ones that think that about Kjerstad. He’s 26 and he hasn’t done anything of note. I suspect his stock is down league wide, and he’s not being valued like the top prospect that he was once considered.
Kjerstad came up to the majors and was exposed. In 147 PA over parts of 2 seasons he struck out nearly 30% of the time. 29.3%
That would have been ok if he had showed great power like he did in AA and AAA, but his .394 slg this season was lower than Arraez’s .398.
That said, if the rest of the package was good enough Preller would probably take it.
Mayo was also way overmatched his first stint. If he doesn’t improve a lot, he’ll be viewed as a 4A player rather than an elite prospect. That is the boom and bust of hoarding so-called top prospects.
They really need an ace in that rotation sooner or later because if they don’t, it will be another playoff exit before the ALCS.
Seeing as how most O’s fans don’t want to see Mayo traded even though Preller has been asking for the top prospect in all of the rumors for Cease, let me propose one that has more quantity and less quality at the top.
Kjerstad, McDermott, Povich, Young, Anderson.
Just one former top 100 prospect. McDermott and Povich have some MLB experience, but not good results in small sample sizes and neither are Top 100 prospects. Young is a MLB ready relief prospect. Anderson is a bat-first catching prospect in A+ ball.
Padres throw in Cole Paplham, Garrett Hawkins, or similar.
I could see Kjerstad +, not sure about plus 4.
Simm, 5 for 2.
I dont really see a BAL/SD trade for Cease, but if they do, and this is your expectation for it, I think you’re going to be disappointed.
I don’t.
The Laureano signing doesn’t affect Kjerstad’s playing time at all.
Those are all very reasonable trade proposals. It has already been posted what the Padres have asked for when the Cubs and Red Sox talked to them about Cease at the Winter Meetings. Preller has not been reasonable. He has been asking for deals with Shaw and Mayer as the headliner plus multiple MLB ready arms.
With all of the top pitchers already off of the trade and free agent markets, Preller has no reason to lower his asking price.
The question becomes will one of the teams mentioned here decide to up their offers, which are probably very similar to what Steve outlined in this article, to the point that Preller says ok, or will Cease start the season as the opening day starter for the Padres?
I am going with Cease is a Padre opening day, but with Preller you never know. Maybe a third team jumps in and makes it worth it for the Padres.
Aloha Web, I give Preller credit though over my Cubs FO. In that he trades for players with a lot of value that have controllable years. For example, Soto. 1.5 seasons with San Diego, then a very good haul in trading Juan to NYY.
On the other hand, Jed in his walk off year is trading away potential talent for rentals. I don’t mind this if the organization is 1 player away from going deep into the post season. But the Cubs are more than a “Tucker” away, imho.
Preller has both Cease and King to deal from. He’s more experienced, imho, then Hoyer. I can see him saying to Jed they want Assad and Shaw first. Let it simmer, come back to Jed and say okay we’ll take Assad and Caissie. And watch Jed do it. Again, I don’t blame San Diego in asking for “the moon.” But Hoyer concerns me as a fan, finally getting some good home grown talent and he’s trading them for rentals.
We’ll see what happens. Now the rumors are that Jed’s licking his chops to sign Bregman, thus Shaw doesn’t get a chance to start at 3B, smh. Take care now. Mahalo
Why would they trade him when they are trying to contend and he fills their biggest need? Is it because of his postseason?
There is only one right answer. For an overpay.
Aloha Adrian, I understand that Preller wants to bring fresh, top talent back into the organization. I’d like to see SD hold onto Cease and King to compete. If something happens they could still move them by or before the deadline. The Padres need the strong pitching to compete in that division. Mahalo
Fresh, top talent like Samuel Zavala, Jairo Iriarte and Drew Thorpe?
METS METS METS! Sign & trade.
Think Steve Cohen would rather just wait a year and sign Cease in free agency.
Still say best deal on the table would be
Cease to Red Sox for Casas, Yoshidas contract, and Perales, Dobbins, Fitts for taking Yoshida
Cease to Twins for Vasquez contract, Wallner or Keaschall, Morris and for taking Yoshida Lewis and Eeles
Definitely think padres should entertain the idea of taking back a bad contract with the intent of trading Suarez and moving Adams to the close role to get under the tax line.
I think Red Sox deal makes more sense cause they pick up a 1B and LF plus some controllable pitching.
the REDSOX will never trade ALL of that for 1 year of a SP
Twins trading Wallner away for a rental would be a huge mistake
BTV says Cade Horton and Owen Caissie would be a minor overpay on the Cubs’ side. But seeing as the Padres are trying to contend in 2025 it would almost certainly take an overpay. Might even throw in Robert Suarez.
I feel like the Tigers have enough of an excess in pitching to work something out. Maybe something with Mize or Manning? Cease would give them a hell of a 3 headed monster in the rotation, and would decrease the need to overpay someone like Bregman.
Come on Yankees. Trade stroman pay 100% of his salary and send Everson to San Diego for cease
Hey Mike first time long time. What do you think about Frazier and Andujar for Trout? Imma hang up and listen.
We need Arraez more. Stroman and Peraza for him would be better than them trading Cease.
The REDSOX!!!?????……………..YO, you must be kidding me right…..!!!! Their front office has been asleep at the wheel since the Crochet trade. their done, done done…….saving money mode now……..us sucker fans are left to wish & hope…….The REDSOX…bahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!!
Long piece, surprised there’s no charge for it. I’m half serious.
It linked a companion piece that is paywalled.
I was honestly thinking the same thing. I expected this to be a members only piece when the author talked about it in chat. All the same to me, but fair credit given.
I find the comments from Cubs fans saying they wouldn’t give up this or that for a rental in cease when they just paid 65 Surplus Value for Tucker hilarious. A huge massive price, that looks on paper like a big overpay.
And theres no guarantee that tucker resigns. Imagine losing him after a season where your pitching staff isnt good enough to compete.
I would entertain offers from the Orioles, Twins or Cubs…I’m not sold on any of the names the Mets could offer.
They made trades with the Indians now guardians preller and antonetti love talk trade. Minority owner david Blitzer needs to get more involved in the team like John Sherman did in late 2016 signing double e for 60million for 3 years. Blitzer has a signed contract to take over majority ownership of the guardians in 2028. The issue is does does he honor that contract because Blitzer and his partner josh Harris are going 50 50 for new arena downtown Philly? This is for 76ers who they own and no taxpayers money involved.
That Padres owner wrote a bunch of checks that he couldn’t cash.
It’s time for a fire sale and rebuilding.
he’s healthy- so that rules the Red Sox out.
To the Braves for Kelenic, Anderson, Elder and two more position prospects not named Alvarez.
So cease for a bag of trash.
Next offer
So when AJ trades Dylan Cease…what happens to the Dylan Cease Bobblehead night at Petco on September 10th ?
The bobbleheads get sent to some third world country.
Like Chicago ?
The Padres should trade Dylan Cease and Louis Arraez to the Minnesota Twins of All-Star Willi Castro, 2 time World Series Champion catcher Christian Vasquez and starting pitchers Chris Paddock, Randy Dobnok and Louie Varland.
Cease and Arraez for some heavy trash bags.
Next offer
What time do you go on stage tonight for comedy central?
Seems like no one cares about him. Orioles stand strong do not lose anymore youngsters for a 1 year deal no Thanks.
He’s pretty much a league average pitcher, based on his SIERA and he’s not getting any younger, so I wouldn’t put a lot into trying to acquire him.
Agreed. I’d DFA him.
I’ve mentioned this twice throughout this already in response to fellow Yankees fans throwing in for Cease, but let me do so as it’s own stand alone comment.
While I like Cease, I don’t think NYY necessarily needs him. I also don’t think it’s in the Pads best interest to trade him and compete. Both teams can help each other though if they revisit the Arraez-Stroman talks (rumors? Fan conjecture? Heyman hustle?).
A Stroman and Peraza (or other similar prospect) package surely is more palatable for Luis rather than trading Cease. You get a MLB starting pitcher back as well as a young MLB ready infielder you can plug at 2b and move Croenworth to first. Yanks get basically a Gleyber like 2b, but with better on base skills. A perfect lead off guy at a position of need.
I’ve screamed get Arraez from the outset of this offseason and I still think it should be done.
Great comment man…..agree 100%…plugging in Arraez at the top of the order would set up the rest of the order……he’s an on base machine and his defense notwithstanding can be compensated for by scoring more runs and an improved outfield defense in both center and right……..and moving Stroman and Peraza for him is a give to get type of solution….however, if the Yankees could somehow put together a package to get Cease, not sure in a pitching centric league, especially in the playoffs, they wouldn’t be well served to get him into the rotation…..how many times have we heard you can never have enough pitching….and its true….especially for teams who kind of count on being in the playoffs.
Oh sure, but my line of thought is we may not exactly have what a Cease trade needs. Nor do I think we should trade what it takes to do so, whereas we line up better (ie it’ll take less in theory) and have more of a need for Arraez. And thank you!
No one year rental for the Os if Heston is in the deal. Maybe a sign and trade?
Yeah, I don’t think Mike Elias would seriously entertain moving one of his top draft picks from the tanking years for a 1 year rental, especially when Kjerstad has performed well at the MLB level so far and 2 of our 3 current starting OFs might be gone after this year.
ANOTHER Cease article?
Seriously?
If and when the Padres do trade Cease, it will be just to stop mlbtr from trying to find a match.
You think that now, but they will just immediately pivot to speculating on whether Cease will be traded at the deadline.
And whenever they trade him, or even if they don’t, the new narrative will be Cease sweepstakes in the next offseason. Poor Dylan, he just wants to be a ball player and a beekeeper.
I like Abreu, Crawford, Fitts/Priester/Crissell and PTBNL for Cease IF there’s an opening for an extension. But I don’t see that happening.
I’ll give them Marcus Stroman for Cease and a bag of balls. Whaddya say, AJ???
Dylan Cease for Stoman and Spencer Jones.
10 points for creativity. But, I don’t think the Yanks would put Jones in very many trades. I’ve seen him quite a bit at Somerset. He does remind me of a young Judge in some ways. Strikes out too much and he has a looping swing. If he cuts down on K’s and improves in the OF, and with his foot speed, he becomes the future.
The Mariners trade Mitch Haniger ($15.5M) + $7M , Harry Ford C and Michael Arroyo 2B/SS to the Padres for Dylan Cease ($13.75M)..
Then the Mariners trade Luis Castillo to the Orioles for Ryan Mountcastle ($6.7M) and Coby Mayo..
Good thoughts but the Orioles are not going to give up Mountcastle and Mayo both of them have first base abilities. Mountcastle and Kjerstad would be more logical but I would be even hesitant to give up Mountcastle at this point. So maybe a package that includes Mayo, Urias and Kremer.
Mayo, Urias and Kremer would work for me.
No thanks on the Orioles part of your proposal.
Mountcastle is our 1B of the present and Mayo is our 1B of the future, so we can’t really trade both, plus I wouldn’t trade Mayo for Castillo anyway.
If the Red Sox would give up Wilyer + Kutter for Cease, I think it’d be hard for the Padres to say no to that. Sox fans, you taking that trade?
Padres could throw in suarez as well
I don’t understand why I keep seeing the Padres needing Ryan or Ober in a Cease trade. With 3 years of control remaining Ryan and Ober alone have way more value than Cease’s 1 year.
That’s an insane ask.
If you don’t believe me, have a look at Ober and Ryan’s savant page. They got knocked around badly in a couple starts each which ballooned their ERAs but both are top 3 starters on almost any team with the immediate potential to grow into more
Cleveland is an imperfect match, but it would be fun to see the AL Central teams keep trying to one-up with one another by adding key players.
If I’m the Mets I’m offering the farm to get Cease and King. The Mets need two, not one starter and if the Padres are willing to move the two, I’d offer all prospects along with Peterson. Peterson, Sproat, Acuna, Mauricio, Gilbert, Williams. Whatever it takes. Senga and Manaea are a 3 and 4 in the rotation at best if they truly want to compete.
still wondering if Boston would take Cease, Suarez, and Xander for a bag of balls.
funny thing is I still think the padres can win 90 games without these three guys.
Was thinking Cease & Xander for Yoshida
their middle infield looks really weak, Xander would be a huge improvement and has all the history. The padres are stacked with young talent and legit superstars, there is no reason to not pull this move if it’s possible, no need for Yoshida. I was thinking for Casas, but a bag of balls will do.
the point is that yoshida is a bad contract, but not quite as underwater as xander. Don’t think you’re getting Casas if you’re asking them to take on xander.
I’m sure that this has at least been mentioned since I was gonna post it the other day before my phone crashed but did anyone else pick up on the possible red sox rotation of: cease, crotchet and giolito? If That’s a rotation that brings success to Boston it shows what an utterly disaster is going on in Chicago. Mismanagement at its finest. Or, they could all bomb in Boston and show the flipside of the mismanagement coin.
I’m so tired of people talking about Kjerstad and how the Os signed O’Neill which means they’re not playing Kjerstad. UNTRUE!! Kjerstad is the DH/RF platoon with O’Hearn / O’Neill. That was already the way of things last year. O’Hearn needs to be platooned, due to his numbers against LHP, and Kjerstad is a lefty so he can’t platoon with him obviously. Kjerstad will be the everyday DH or RF. My guess is that when O’Neill is playing, he will play RF given his considerably better defensive prowess, but when O’Hearn is in the game, Kjerstad will be in RF. That makes the most sense by a landslide, especially with Kjerstad’s arm in the short RF of Camden yards and the support supplied by Mullins/Cowser who easily cover more ground combined than any other OF duo in all of baseball. For Cease or King, and I’d prefer King to be honest, but Rogers, Laureano, Bradfield Jr gets King all day, and maybe add Seth Johnson and Jud Fabian or Max Wagner gets Cease. Or Rogers and Mayo for Cease straight up and the O’s have Laureano, Bradfield, etc available for trades at the ASB if we need to make moves at that point. But you don’t move Mayo for Cease unless you talk to Cease first and have a verbal understanding about your intentions to sign him after the 2025 season, letting him know that you’re only willing to make this trade if he’s willing to be the leader of this staff as a franchise player for a long time. If you have a good meeting with him, and the future looks bright, it’s worth moving Mayo because he’s not going to crack this lineup with his defensive inadequacies and the fact that Kjerstad is flat out better. Even Mayo’s upside comes with a 220-240BA compared to Kjerstad’s 300+ upside potential. Mayo looked overmatched and while it’s fully possible that he can get past that, Kjerstad has absolutely never looked overmatched. He’s definitely the future for us if it’s between him and Mayo, especially at the DH spot. Honeycutt looks like he could be the OF of the future once Mullins gets too old, and Basallo/Rutschman are the C/1st basemen of the future when Mountcastle phases out. Mayo doesn’t fit anywhere even though I’d rather have a righty bat over a lefty with all our lefties already, but Holliday 2B, Westburg 3B, Gunnar SS, Kjerstad RF, Mayo DH, Basallo 1B, Adley C, Cowser CF, Honeycutt LF is your future making Mayo the more moveable piece since Kjerstad outperforms him offensively and you can go get an elite defender for CF and sacrifice the offense making him the 9 hitter like a Hader type player. Which means Bradfield Jr could be your guy, but his arm sucks so it’s not ideal. Bottom line is, you’re flat out wrong when you assume Mayo is penciled in permanently and Kjerstad could be moved bc it’s the other way around for sure, and anyone who watches the Orioles everyday knows that, especially after seeing Kjerstad last season. All things point to Kjerstad and Basallo being the best offensive players of this team for the next 10 years with Holliday then Henderson behind them, making Westburg and Rutschman the two lowest slotted .300+ hitters in baseball and this the deepest, most dangerous lineup in baseball by a landslide for the next decade to 15 years.
And if the O’s sign Means instead and he returns to his ace, no hitter form, with Bradish, Rodriguez and Povich right behind him, then you keep Mayo and you have Holliday, Westburg, Henderson, Mayo, Kjerstad, Rutschman, Basallo, Cowser locking down this lineup as the strongest, deepest, 8 man core of a franchise in all of baseball with 8 players of either .300+ BA potential and/or 35+HR potential, with Cowser being the odd man out hitting .275-285 and hitting 25+ HRs in the 8 hole. That’s a lineup that can supplement for not having a 3 headed monster in the rotation, especially with the best closer in baseball. As they get older, they will flat out, out-hit anyone and everyone they face no matter how great your staff is, they will break through and they will do so at a higher rate than what you’ll be able to do to their staff. This is a 6+ runs/game average over 162 and 5+ in the postseason.