In a shocking mid-June blockbuster, the Giants have acquired star slugger Rafael Devers from the Red Sox in exchange for right-hander Jordan Hicks, left-hander Kyle Harrison, outfield/first base prospect James Tibbs and right-handed pitching prospect Jose Bello. The teams subsequently announced the trade, and the Red Sox optioned Harrison to Triple-A Worcester. The Giants will absorb the remainder of Devers’s contract in its entirety as part of the deal.
It’s a stunning move that will have massive implications for both franchises as they both pursue their first playoff appearances since 2021 this year. The Red Sox, 37-36 after sweeping the division-leading Yankees this weekend, part with a player they signed to be the next face of their franchise just two years ago. The relationship between the two sides broke down quite publicly over the past few months, however. Devers has long made clear that he wants to play third base on a regular basis, but the Red Sox clearly had other plans this offseason as they sought to add a big right-handed bat to their lineup. After discussing a deal that would’ve sent Nolan Arenado to Boston with the Cardinals earlier in the winter, they ultimately pivoted and signed Alex Bregman to a three-year, $120MM pact that affords him the opportunity to opt out following the 2025 and ’26 seasons.
That proved to be the end of Devers’ time at third base, and though he initially resisted the move he eventually took up his new role as Boston’s regular DH. That seemed to settle the controversy at first despite reports that indicated Devers considered asking for a trade after the Bregman deal, but tensions erupted once again when Triston Casas was sidelined by knee surgery that will likely end his 2025 season. At that time, Chief Baseball Officer Craig Breslow asked Devers to move to first base to cover for the loss of Casas, a move that would have opened up DH at-bats for another player such as top prospect Roman Anthony. Devers refused and expressed frustration with team leadership for asking him to move to an unfamiliar position in the middle of the season, ultimately leading to a private meeting between Devers, manager Alex Cora, and club owner John Henry last month.
Since then, neither Devers nor Red Sox brass have spoken to the media about the situation beyond to affirm that Devers would remain the club’s DH going forward. That’s remained the case even in the weeks since Bregman went down with a significant quad strain that figures to sideline him until late July at the earliest. The discord between the sides over the past few months surely served as a catalyst for today’s shocking blockbuster from Boston’s perspective. Although Chris Cotillo of MassLive reports that Devers did not ultimately request a trade, Jon Heyman of the New York Post writes that the slugger is said by friends to be pleased with the change of scenery. For a club that’s under-performing expectations this year but remains on the periphery of the AL Wild Card race, moving on from a star player who was clearly unhappy could serve to improve morale going forward.
Of course, there are plenty of on-the-field justifications for making this trade as well. Boston is in dire need of pitching help, and the additions of Harrison and Hicks will go a long way to patching those holes. The two hurlers have pitched both out of the rotation and in relief this year as dictated by the needs of San Francisco, so it’s not entirely clear which roles they will take up now that they’re headed to Boston. Harrison, 24 in August, projects as a starter long-term and has a 4.91 ERA with a 4.22 FIP across four starts in the majors this year. Hicks, meanwhile, spent most of his career as a reliever in St. Louis before signing with the Giants as a starter in free agency. His time with the Giants has been fairly mixed as he’s bounced between the rotation and bullpen, and this year he has a 6.47 ERA across 48 2/3 innings of work despite fantastic peripherals including a 3.59 FIP.
Regardless of what roles those arms end up playing for the Red Sox, it could be a considerable boost to a Boston pitching staff that has struggled to find much stability outside of southpaws Garrett Crochet and Aroldis Chapman this year. Hicks could fill the role of right-handed, late-inning complement to Chapman that the Red Sox were rumored to be seeking over the winter before settling for a combination of Liam Hendriks and Justin Slaten (both of whom are presently on the injured list) to support Chapman. Harrison, meanwhile, is headed to Triple-A in the short-term but is a high-upside depth option who Boston could turn to if anyone in their current rotation mix gets injured or begins to struggle.
While neither is likely to help the Red Sox in 2025, the value of the two prospects in the deal cannot be ignored either. Tibbs, 22, was San Francisco’s first-round pick in last year’s draft and has looked excellent at the High-A level this year with a .245/.377/.480 slash line that features nearly as many walks as strikeouts. Ranked as San Francisco’s #4 prospect prior to the trade according to MLB Pipeline, Tibbs has above-average hit and power tools and was lauded for his swing decisions at Florida State, where he slashed a comical .363/.488/.777 in 66 games last year. As for Bello, the 20-year-old is unranked at MLB Pipeline after making just one stateside appearance last year but signed with the Giants out of the Dominican Republic prior to the 2023 season and has struck out an eye-popping 41.8% of his opponents across 18 innings in rookie ball this year. The pair should be a major infusion of high-upside talent for a system that has been depleted over the past few months by the Crochet trade and the graduations of Anthony, Kristian Campbell, and Marcelo Mayer to the big leagues.
For the Giants, acquiring Devers is a franchise-altering decision that doubles as a major vote of confidence in a 41-30 ballclub that has exceeded all preseason expectations to this point. A career .279/.349/.509 hitter who’s still just 28 years old, Devers is an elite hitter who’s still in his prime. This year’s move to a full-time DH may even be bringing out the best in the slugger, as he’s posting a career best 145 wRC+ so far despite a deep slump earlier in the season after spending most of Spring Training working his way back from a shoulder injury. Since May 1, Devers has posted an even better 170 wRC+. That makes him the eighth-best hitter in the entire sport since that date, and it goes without saying that sort of offensive production could be transformational for a San Francisco team that ranks 20th in the majors this year with a 95 wRC+.
Adding a bat of that caliber to a somewhat middling offense is virtually a no-brainer for San Francisco, particularly when the acquisition cost is a pair of prospects still far from the majors and two pitchers who have posted below-average results this year. Harrison and Hicks, valuable as they could be in the future, were ultimately luxury items for a Giants pitching staff that currently ranks as the third-best in baseball by ERA and should receive reinforcements in the relatively near future when Justin Verlander returns from the injured list. Arguably, the most substantial cost of the trade from San Francisco’s perspective is the financial burden they’re assuming in the deal. Cot’s Baseball Contracts notes that Devers is due to a $2MM assignment bonus from the Giants, though that’s obviously a drop in the bucket compared to the roughly $250MM the 28-year-old is owed across the eight-and-a-half years remaining on his contract, which is set to expire following the 2033 season. A portion of that money is deferred beyond the lifetime of the contract, but it’s still a massive financial burden for the Giants to take on going forward.
That financial outlay will leave plenty of pressure on Devers’s bat to remain among the best in the league going forward, particularly given that he’s unlikely to return to his old stomping grounds of third base in the long-term. Incumbent third baseman Matt Chapman is currently on the injured list due to a sprained right hand that’s expected to sideline him for at least a few weeks, but as one of the sport’s best defenders at the hot corner it’s difficult to see Devers getting any more than occasional time at his longtime position once Chapman is back in the lineup. First base is relatively open for the time being, but between Devers’s known reluctance to learn the position on the fly and the looming presence of top prospect Bryce Eldridge at Triple-A it’s hard to see him making a home for himself at that position in San Francisco, either.
Even if Devers seems ticketed to spend the next eight-plus years as a pricey DH for the Giants, it’s difficult to criticize the move from San Francisco’s perspective. After all, the organization’s difficulties wooing to offensive talents are well-documented. Failed attempts to court players like Giancarlo Stanton, Bryce Harper, Carlos Correa, and Aaron Judge to the city over the past decade have created a reputation surrounding the club that they struggle to attract top offensive talents, and while recent deals for Chapman and Willy Adames have helped to put that narrative to bed somewhat it’s still understandable that president of baseball operations Buster Posey would turn to the trade market to land a middle-of-the-order force rather than pursue a top free agent and risk coming up empty. That’s especially true given that Devers’s contract looks fairly reasonable compared to some more recent deals, even for a player with limited defensive value. Setting aside Juan Soto’s $765MM megadeal with the Mets from this past winter, even Vladimir Guerrero Jr.’s 14-year, $500MM contract extension with the Blue Jays earlier this season makes Devers’s deal look like a steal by comparison.
With Devers presumably settling into a DH role for the Giants, that leaves some combination of Wilmer Flores, Dominic Smith, and Jerar Encarnacion to handle first base for San Francisco going forward. Flores had been acting as the club’s everyday DH this year with Smith and Encarnacion in a platoon at first base, but Flores has plenty of experience at first himself and the Giants are unlikely to be interested in dropping his 112 wRC+ bat from their lineup. As for the Red Sox, it’s unclear how they will replace Devers in their lineup in the short-term. The eventual return of Wilyer Abreu from an oblique strain should allow them to move Anthony to DH in Devers’s place, but it’s at least theoretically possible the club could turn to Masataka Yoshida to fill the short-term gap. Yoshida has spent the entire season on the injured list as he recovers from shoulder surgery that has not impacted his ability to hit but has left him unable to throw. That made him a tough fit for a Red Sox lineup that had Devers entrenched at DH, but perhaps the star’s departure could open the door for Yoshida to return earlier than previously expected.
Robert Murray of FanSided first reported that Devers had been traded to San Francisco, as well as the inclusion of Hicks and Harrison in the deal. Julian McWilliams of CBS Sports reported that two minor leagues would be headed to Boston alongside Hicks and Harrsion, as well as that the Giants would take on Devers’s contract. Murray later identified those Tibbs and Bello. Hunter Noll of Beyond The Monster first reported that Harrison was being optioned to Triple-A.
No way!!!
Fuuuuuuuugggghhh!
One of the more shocking deals in the history of this site
thegreat – Why?
Look back at my postings ever since ST, I wrote numerous times the relationship was damaged beyond repair and a trade was not only inevitable but would be best for all parties.
Devers didn’t want to play for a manager and front office and ownership that did him dirty, can’t blame him for that.
And to the people who said “release him” and “Sox would have to eat most of his contract in a trade” I said at the time that was total crap, and this trade proves it.
The Red Sox didn’t appreciate, value or respect Devers …. now he’s on a team that does. I wish him well.
At least this *should* finally allow Yoshida to return to DH, and he will be a huge help for the team …. although obviously not as much as Raffy was.
Fever – timing
Not sure if I’m happy for, or feel bad for the giants
Exactly. Not a shock he was traded.
A shock he was traded NOW. Like Debbie Gibson sang, this was out of the blue.
The Red Sox were paying Devers over 300m. They didn’t “do him dirty”, in any way. Signing Bregman, made the Red Sox a better team, and Devers should have done what was best for the team and accepted the move to dh. The injury to Casas, changed everything. The Red Sox needed Devers to try moving to first base this year. Again, that would have been in the Red Sox best interests. Devers put his ego ahead of the team, and this is the result!! As good a hitter as he is, the Red Sox did what they needed to do.
Yoshida is not even close to justifying this. He’s not that good, they were desperate in trying to trade him and nobody offered
It really is.
horace – Why is it there’s almost never trade rumors here before the trades actually happen?
But sure, let’s all wait for that Duran to SD trade to happen. LOL!!
vt – That’s fair, trades rarely happen in June.
Maybe they wanted to wait until after the 6 games against NYY, which makes sense.
BTW – His last hit with the Red Sox was a homerun off Fried that was also his 500th career extra-base hit. Quite an impressive way to go out.
Fever—Spot on. I have never been a Devers fan, but the way the Sox treated him was disgusting. The only thing left now is for the organization to trash him just like they have done to others, including Terry Francona. This is a good move for both sides.
That’s the trade I was fine with and prepping for. This is the opposite
Well, I guess they finally listened to you, Fever. I bet they won’t make that mistake again.
After the incident in the dugout on Tuesday I am just surprised it took this long. Good riddance.
When you look at the return Breslow got, you can tell he and Henry felt the same way. Get that clubhouse cancer out of town on the first possible plane.
It really wasn’t. If his defensive numbers weren’t as bad as they were maybe, but please. Both sides could have handled it better. Thanks to Raffy, but time to move on for both.
You have that backwards. The way Devers treated the team and his teammates was disgusting. If I was GM he wouldn’t have made the opening day squad for the Red Sox.
No one is justifying the trade with yoshida, but it is likely he has a role again eventually. Devers needed to go, just surprised it wasn’t during the off season. He must’ve been making things uncomfortable in the clubhouse. I bet other players weren’t happy with him either.
FPG- I’m distraught.
Now John Henry can have the Tampa Rays North team he always wanted….
history – You’re not informed about the situation, I’ll leave it at that.
Every single member of the media, every analyst, everybody who knows the chain of events, has strongly stated he was done dirty.
I personally included links to very detailed articles about the chain of events.
The only difference is some of them believed he should simply “get over it” and bow down to management.
Sad – As you know I like Devers, but this is for the best.
Irreconcilable differences.
It isn’t about management. It was about the best interests of the team. Devers put his ego ahead of the manager, and his teammates. It happens all the time, a player is traded for/free agent, or an injury. That changes the dynamics of the team. Adjustments are made, ( don’t have to like it, just do it), and you go forward. Devers chose to put his “hurt feelings”, above the best interests of his team. He had to go, and he did!!
Fenway – They are getting absolutely nothing from their $19M/yr investment in Yoshida as long as he’s not on the active roster.
At the very least, this allows him to rebuild his trade value prior to the deadline.
Nobody offered during the offseason because he was injured, just coming off surgery. Can you blame them?
What was the incident in the dugout?
“Debbie Gibson is pregnant with my two-headed love child.” – Mojo Nixon
He wasn’t a cancer in the clubhouse, he had a personal feud with Breslow. Not with anybody else.
Sybau
What was the incident in the dugout?
“Done dirty.” You keep using these words. I don’t think they mean what you think they mean. He was making over $30 million dollars a year to do what management thought was best for the team. He should have said he would do whatever he was asked to do to win baseball games, cash his checks and say thank you. He is a great hitter as long as he doesn’t swing at a fastball up in the zone at 94+ MPH and a bad 3rd baseman. The Red Sox are not done and now have the payroll flexibility and a reinforced minor league system to make a run at the Yankees this year and add another SP to an extended contract for the future. I also don’t think this was a bad deal in terms of the Red Sox return in players.
“Doing him dirty” would be making him change positions BEFORE he got a contract. Giving him $300 million is certainly not doing him dirty.
Fenway – Much of that “feud” was Cora’s doing.
For instance, Cora is the manager ….. why did he insist on Breslow being the one to ask Raffy to play first base? Talk about setting a guy (Breslow) up!
And remember it was Cora who pushed for the Bregman signing and insisted he would likely play 2B, only to go back on his word. Breslow was very wary about signing Bregman.
It was classic Cora, telling Raffy “I had nothing to do with any of this, it was all Breslow” …… just like when Cora threw Bloom under the bus.
It’s what Cora does, it’s why he’s referred to as a snake.
The irony is breslow is the one guy he shouldn’t have a feud with.
I can guarantee breslow knew nothing before signing bregman about any verbal promises bloom made that weren’t in the contract ahead of time. That’s not the sort of thing you brief anyone on.
New – Devers was repeatedly lied to, he was repeatedly given assurances that were 100% crap. That is fact, and that is the definition of being done dirty.
There never should have had to have been “assurances” in the first place. Once he got that contract he should have been willing to play wherever they ask him to with a smile on his face. Imagine getting mad when your boss says “we’re gonna give you an easier job but we’re still gonna pay you the same.”
A great trade for the Giants, though both Harrison and Tibbs will ultimately help Boston, a value for value deal that makes sense for both teams. I applaud Buster Posey for having the cojones to make this deal, and to Giants ownership for approving it.
It was the third ask of Devers to change position AGAIN that somewhat softens the criticism of Devers—maybe not for Red Sox fans, but understandable for a player of Devers worth.
Tang – What you said about Devers is 100% false.
It’s been very calm and peaceful since the series in KC, the players were asked what effect if any it had in the clubhouse and they all said they simply don’t care and they’ve got Raffy’s back.
When one person here tries to support their view of a player by using the “everybody hates him” tactic , it’s rather pathetic … especially after Middlebrooks and others were told the exact opposite by Raffy’s teammates.
Like Debbie Gibson sang, this was out of the blue.
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Neil Young
any verbal promises
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There are no guarantees at that level. There are no guarantees at my level, at a tiny fraction of Devers’ salary.
ELO
Yoshida isn’t going to be helping this team. They’re better off giving everyday at bats to their hot prospects Campbell, Mayer, and Anthony. Heck, Toro is better than Yoshida.
Per Peter Abraham
@peteabeglobe.bsky.social
Per Red Sox sources: the team’s feeling was that a $313.5M contract comes with responsibilities to do what is right for the team and that Devers did not live up to those responsibilities.
What player is going to say yeah he’s a d***. If course they are going to say that to the media. I guarantee you players were bothered but they know better than to alienate a teammate.
The squeaky wheel gets the grease.
Can we talk about the elephant in the room…. This Sox season is going exactly like the past 2 or 3…
under 500, then right before trade deadline they get hot, and as soon as the deadline is past the team crumbles. Each time, when players could have been traded for good pieces, the Sox either did nothing or next to nothing.
I am glad that the fat, mental case, 30 mil a year DH is gone at NO COST to us!!!
Now, load Story and anyone else not worth the money into the torpedo tubes and hit the effing fire-button.
Curious how the story unfolds. I wonder if Devers requested a trade
Waiting for the “he’ll willingly play 1st base for us” headline.
Or the “Devers reportedly unhappy he’s still a DH” headline
😂
On the Giants? Doubtful. Flores and Smith platoon at 1b until Eldridge is brought up near the end of this season. Flores will continue to get lots of ABs — he’s a professional (and clutch) hitter.
man – He probably did long ago, and they probably agreed to accommodate him on the condition he keep it quiet. After they did him dirty he was very open to a trade.
Regardless, I wouldn’t be surprised for the usual leaks from the front office …. it’s what they do with EVERY beloved high profile Sox player that goes elsewhere.
Well this is basically the only good thing that happened to the Yankees all weekend, they are no doubt ecstatic that he won’t be torturing Yankee pitchers any longer.
And how great is it that Raffy will be playing against the Sox this coming weekend!!!
I’m surprised, this is how they celebrate a sweep of the Yankees? I imagine either Bregman must be coming back soon or Yoshida has made progress and they needed to get rid of someone and found a team willing to take an all of the money for a really good, but really immature player
The Yankees only problem is trying to steal third base now that Devers doesn’t play there.
Rsox – Bregman has been making great progress and will likely return long before the originally estimated 2-month mark.
Yoshida has been able to swing a bat since ST, progress will have nothing to do with him reclaiming his DH role.
Fever, there must be something more to things though. 40 man slots are an issue, not just for yoshida becoming dh but because you’re shipping 1 dh out and bringing 2 pitchers back.
There’s more brewing, has to be.
Agreed. My first thought was they’re not done yet.
According to somebody who was involved in the trade, Devers did not request one.
Clo – Can you provide a little more info?
Like when you say “involved”, do you mean one of the players traded? Do you mean someone in the Red Sox front office?
Just seems like a really strange comment.
Considering the extremely light return the Red Sox received, its likely that they they were just sick and tired of having that cancer in their clubhouse. All they got for him in reality was money saved off their payroll.
Not a cancer, maybe a stomach ulcer that flares up regularly.
Immature guy who doesn’t think before reacting ?
Chappy and Adames will make a man of him.
They said he didn’t. But I bet ownership did
This is the 3rd time, that comes to mind, that players who thought they were untouchable/too important, have been summarily either jettisoned or humbled….
Nomar traded. Manny placed on waiver with no takers. And now Devers.
All of John Henry’s front offices have one thing consistently in common…. FAFO.
We survived Nomar-gate and Manny-being-Manny. We will survive Devers-Pout-A-Thon.
If John Henry’s thought is “FAFO” then why does he keep going for players like Devers? Ironically he’s the one FAFO’ing to them.
Way!!!!!!
*checks the calender*…..
Nope, not April first
That was my first thought too, GA…
Incredibly strange move following taking it to the Yankees and being virtually tied for the 3rd WC…
GaSox – I truly don’t want to rehash all I wrote about the Devers situation since February, but you should remember the many times I posted a trade was eventually coming and would be the best for all parties. It was probably being worked on for months, certainly since the owner meeting in KC.
Let’s hope the freed up money goes to something useful, rather than being pocketed by FSG.
Surprised me too. I wouldn’t have been at all shocked to see him traded this December, but now in the middle of the season?!?
They got a decent package of talent for him, though. Hicks is a bit of an enigma, but could contribute in the right role. Harrison and Tibbs have the potential to be solid starters. Bello a bit of a wildcard.
None of the players acquired are going to replace Devers. None are likely to be stars. It doesn’t make the current team better. But it is a respectable collection of talent for a very highly paid DH who no longer fit on the team.
For sure, Fever, this only improves the team if they can spend the salary savings effectively.
I agree with you that it was necessary, though. You can’t indulge a player who is incapable of fielding his position effectively and unwilling to switch to another.
Fever, didn’t you see the quotes by cora about a tough decision coming for the roster? They knew a couple days ago this was being ironed out
Definitely, GA. Some had been speculating that KC would be sent down, but this move makes more sense.
As Fever said, they’ve likely been working on this since May 9.
Wait – How does this impact the outfield logjam when Abreu returns this week?
I don’t see the 4 outfielders rotating through the DH role. KC is hurting the team right now, a demotion still seems to be in the cards. Especially if Bregman returns within the next few weeks.
Fever – As long as they keep all four outfielders (counting Abreu/Refsnyder as one), then you pretty much have to rotate them through the DH role. Rafaela should play every game in CF, but the others can share the time on the corners.
Of course a trade of one of those outfielders could still happen.
Campbell is hitting again in June. He started picking it up once Cora let him slide down the order again. He’s a good kid, and will eventually be ready to bat high in the order, but it was clearly messing with his head.
Wait – I fully believe in KC longterm and picture him as a good #2 guy in the lineup, but he’s not been hitting of late. Sure he’s drawing walks and HBP’s but he’s hitting .227 in his last 15 games and .211 in his last 7 games and even with the .358 OBP he’s still got just a .699 OPS in his last 15 games. He’s been super lucky, like the double that was just a chopper that bounced over the head of the first baseman in NY.
Also not sure if you noticed, Cora has been pulling him in many games for defensive purposes. He’s still statistically the worst defensive 2B in MLB.
And Cora dropping the plan to have KC play 1B definitely has helped KC somewhat.
Red Sox vs giants next weekend
Great move Giants from this Pads fan! Love that.
Nl West is a beast!
Yeah I think this is a great move for the Giants. Devers is a beast, still in his 20’s going to be huge for them this year and going forward.
Kudos to the Giants and Posey!!
I like the trade for the Red Sox. They really needed to clear some space for the young talent, get rid of a malcontent, shed salary and add pitching.
They did get rid of a great hitter but this team is loaded with position player talent at both the ML level and in the minors.
I wonder what moves will open 40-man space
pitching? did you actually look at what they got? For devers, essentially, four bags of balls. i don’t care how disenchanted he was.I’m certain there must have been a better deal out there than what they got.
Contract eaten 100 percent by Giants. Henry probably dancing!
Hardly. Kyle Harrison was as recently as last off-season one of the best pitching prospects in the game. James Tibbs was their first round pick and is having an excellent first season in the pros. Jose Bello is a 19 year old with a beast of an arm. This is a great haul, considering probably the best asset the Red Sox are getting is all that money they don’t have to pay Devers. Watch for them to go wild this off season.
Same bag of balls they got for Mookie. No black ball player ants anything to do with racsistown
It’s remarkable how ownership has brainwashed everyone to hate big contracts and bends everyone to their will
This is mookie all over again. The same people saying the same things
I hated the Betts trade. Devers is half the player that Betts was (and still is). You can’t make up for Betts by signing Devers.
Wait – Well the Sox got a re-do on the Devers contract.
If Anthony or Mayer turn out to be studs who go elsewhere 4-5 years from now because the Sox don’t dish out the money to extend them, we will know what happened to the Devers savings.
The Red Sox have plenty of money to work with, and all the flexibility they need. Now they just need to make the right moves.
Last seven games, from June 7 through June 14, Campbell is hitting .300/.440/.500. But it isn’t the BA that I’ve been watching as much as the BB and K.
Yeah, he’s a bit of a butcher at 2B. But the other half of that is Cora likes getting Hamilton into the game. If you send Campbell down, then Hamilton slides into the starting lineup. Do you REALLY want to see that?
Check back in a couple weeks when Bregman returns. Likely the right move will be clear by then.
Wait – You’re counting June 7th instead of today’s game you rascal ;O)
The belief is KC goes down and Rafaela goes to 2B or SS to make room for Roman/Abreu/Duran.
Zero chance Hamilton becomes an everyday starter under any scenario.
Let’s WaitTilAbreuReturns and find out what transpires … won’t be long.
Half in a fairly literal sense.
Betts told the Red Sox “No. Thank you.” to an extension. He said he wanted to explore free agency. They had no choice but to trade him. They trade him to the Dodgers, and for what everyone thought was a pretty good deal. It didn’t work out, which happens with a lot of “prospects”. Betts then signed and extension with the Dodgers before “exploring” free agency. Good for him. Don’t hold the Red Sox accountable for that.
roob – Time will tell about position player talent.
Remember the same was said about the Orioles not too long ago.
It could hurt the offense and their chances this year, but it needed to happen eventually.
Tang – I totally agree with you.
Literally gasped out loud. The second time I’ve done that for a trade, ever. First was Luka-AD.
And if you’re going to trade him you need a better quality haul! Just a sad situation
Way!?
Wow. SMH.
Not shocking that a Latino player got ran outta Boston….
Yea because the most popular player in team history isn’t Latino…oh wait, yea he is. How about you just be quiet if you can’t say anything intelligent.
Ted Williams was Latino?
Ah sí, Eduardo Williams!
Wade Boggs is latino?
Actually, yes Ted Williams was half Mexican on his mother’s side.
Yes, he is.
No wonder he has no head.
Pedro and Big Papi are and the past 25 years they been the face of Boston baseball.
Like Ted Cruz It was Raphael Williamirez
Didn’t know that. Learn something new everyday.
walfu: Most popular player in team history?!?. Carl Yastrzemski isn’t (wasn’t) Latino. Neither was Ted Williams. Oh, wait I think you meant (one of) the most popular players in team history if you’re referring to David (Arias) Ortiz.
Yes. His mother was Mexican.
Actually he was. Teddy Ballgame’s mother, May Venzor, was born in El Paso. Both of her parents were from Mexico.
Ted Williams was actually Half Mexican. Not even kidding.
Mets – Ted’s mother was Mexican, and Ted was the first to be inducted into The Hispanic Heritage Baseball Museum Hall of Fame.
In fact Ted’s boyhood home is in …… San Diego.
Actually, Ted Williams mother was Mexican.
bum – Yep, and Manny has been the hair of Boston baseball ;O)
Actually Williams’ mother was Mexican. So, yes.
Ted Williams’ mother, May Venzor, was Mexican-American. Her parents, Pablo and Natalia Venzor, were immigrants from Mexico, specifically from Valle de Allende, Chihuahua.
Yes. He was actually. On his mother’s side.
Ted William’s mother was hispanic. Born in El Paso to Mexican immigrants.
Both of the Red Sox last 2 HOF players are Hispanic.
I heard Babe Ruth ate a lot of tacos and didn’t switch to Hot Dogs until we got to New York
Carl Yastrzemski was also Venezuelan on his mom’s side
Forgive me if you posted this as some sort of inside joke, but yes he is on his mother’s side.
El Tiante was also a huge favorite of fans.
Run out of Boston? He has been pushing for this since the season started.
Yep. They ran him out of town because he refused to help the team. What a joke this guy is.
azcm – Pretty sure he’s talking about the mistreatment and disrespect of Devers that led to Raffy not being happy with the Red Sox.
Cause and effect, look it up please.
Bahaha.
David Ortiz and Pedro Martinez on line one…
Those were like when ur racist friend has his “black friend”
I suppose that it might not have been shocking if that had happened. But we’ll never know, because that absolutely isn’t at all what happened.
The team is 3/4 Latino your Liberal. Why do you people always pull the race card? SMH, disgusting.
As a Yankee fan I endorse BostonBob response! Liberals never stop victimizing themselves do they?
bob – Not to mention John Henry is one of the most liberal owners in MLB, if not the most.
The team is 3/4 Latino your Liberal.
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The funny part is that the poster probably doesn’t know that Hicks is black.
Now they have just have run the other ten latinos on the 40 man out of town too
As well as their latino manager, you ridiculous mook.
Nomar Garciaparra??? El Chapo???
Seems like you have focused eyes on the negative side of things. Be more positive about things that you cannot control…..
Devers was VERY popular.
Racism will never die if people keep making everything about race.
Cash – Sadly, those who claim to “fight racism” don’t want it to die, for political reasons.
You must have salsa in your brain
Holy Moly
WHAT
Way to celebrate a series win over the Yankees
He plays third base
He plays 1b just at the other side of the diamond
Plays 1B with dyslexia.
Over Chapman…. unlikely. I still dont believe the trade yet
Trades real, Devers playing 3B isnt.
He’s a DH from now on.
He might see some time there initially since Chapman recently hit the IL.
solar – Here’s some “inside” information to most here:
Devers has been taking grounders at 3B prior to the past few games. Reporters even questioned Cora about it.
Not a coincidence. He likely knew something was in the works.
They confirmed he was removed from the plane before takeoff like two hours ago. Lol
He will be a DH only with the Giants
He’d be a DH only for the Lansing Lugnuts. Swings a bat. Full stop. Sucks at anything else.
The giants don’t have a 1st baseman and who knows how long it will take Eldridge to come up
Considering Eldridge is in AAA, sooner than later
He plays hitter only nothing else.
Not with Chapman on the Giants, he doesn’t!!
Guess nobody picked up on my sarcasm here lmao
Not in SF. That’s Matt Chapman’s spot and he won’t be moved from that position. The Giants just got MUCH better!
Craig Breslow masterclass
Well something was bound to happen but holy BLOCKBUSTER SALARY DUMP . Trade him while he’s scorching hot and get a couple of legitimate prospects to boot. Now, what to do with the savings?
Sign on ace or trade for an ace.
Sweep the Yankees and then trade Devers, something just doesn’t feel right about this, incomplete, I’m not feeling the urge to jump on the bandwagon. I’m thinking free agent pitching in the off season.
Do you think ownership will ever pay for a free agent pitcher.
What legitimate prospects? 22 year old player still in A ball? Neither in top 100. Best of the two, Tibbs, is hitting .246 for Eugene and is a 45 FV prospect, meaning his ceiling is below MLB average, mostly because he is a future DH type player. Bello is playing ACL ball at 20 years old. Not even in Giants top 30.
No. This was a bad return other than getting a clubhouse cancer off the team and saving a ton of money.
I think you’re not looking closely at the Red Sox return. Harrison (with another pitch) could easily be a #2, maybe even a #1. Hicks back in the bullpen could be Boston’s closer. Tibbs will be an everyday player in time. This was a good trade for both teams.
His OBP is 377 and SLG is 480. He has more walks than Ks. Who cares what his batting average is over 2 months?
Dajuba, What savings?
Misread the article. I see now that the Giants pay the entire contract.
This was a John Henry special. Breslow is the lackey Henry pushes the blame on.
Cleveland – It does seem reminiscent of Manny and AGon getting traded to the LAD.
Fever Pitch Guy –Totally! It’s reminiscent of Nomar. It’s reminiscent of Betts (and Chaim).
Henry uses the media to knock the reputation of the players so the team can justify trading fan favorites. Right or wrong, it sucks how they manipulate enough fans they don’t lose the fan base and fans argue with fans and don’t get riotous at Henry.
Cleveland – How could I forget Nomah!!!
Sadly it’s not real Sox fans that are filling (at bargain discounts) Fenway these past few years. It’s fans of visiting teams, tourists and casuals who want the “Fenway Experience” as Werner said. That’s why Henry has no qualms about forcing any popular player out of town.
Well we will soon see how much of an impact Raffy’s absence will have on the team. I like Yoshida, but he’s no Raffy.
Fever Pitch Guy — Henry’s new village plans are just another step in the wrong direction too. It’s gonna be a Red Sox theme park before we know it. Corporatization of cultural institutions is isolating.
I won’t hold my breathe.
Two separate trades
Cleveland – That’s the trend though, build an entertainment district around the park. I’ve personally seen it in Atlanta and Arlington, and it was supposed to happen in places like KC and St Pete as well among others.
I don’t necessarily disagree with you, I’m just saying Fenway Corners is not an original idea.
And yes I can’t stand how much the corporate culture is permeating MLB.
Fever Pitch Guy — Definitely not original, for sure. Anything not captured has a brief window these days before it’s captured and down the path of ruination.
What?!
Whoooaaaa!! Did he have a full NTC??
Apparently not…
He was just shy of 10 & 5 rights next season
No.
Devers high IQ.
Not a high baseball IQ. Days ago, Devers couldn’t run the bases right. His fundamentals are poor other than being a good hitter
Whatever you need to tell yourself. Offensive players like him are rare. Get a team full of Toros and see what happens. lol
He still helps the Giants substantially, no doubt.
Wow, I would have guessed the Mets. Don’t know the prospects, but Boston is trading another star like Betts. It’s definitely something the Yankees never do.
Don’t know why you would’ve guessed the Mets. They’ve traded almost zero impact prospects recently. Their horrible PCA trade is the last time they parted with anyone and that was almost four years ago.
New onwer, new GM since the PCA trade, and besides, the Mets don’t have a PCA type prospect (and the Sox aren’t getting one). But Mets don’t make sense for Devers. They already have an elite left handed bat on a long term deal who wants to play the field but should be a DH and eventually will. No room for two of those guys on the same team.
The Mets farm system is busting out everywhere, they had plenty of ammunition to do this if they wanted to.
“New onwer, new GM since the PCA trade”
Which is exactly why the Mets make no sense. The organizational approach the last 3 years has been to hold on to prospects.
The Yankees have done a pretty good job of NOT offering long term deals to player’s that always put themselves first. Devers might be a great hitter but so was Bonds and how many World Series championships does Bonds have? It takes a team of impact players playing for a common cause to win in October
And how many championships do the Yankees have in the past 25 years? Lol
The prospects are middlin. Not to down play their abilities, but the TRADE was for debt owed this year with the Giants picking up the next end of his contract. So they swapped out a 27m debt for a 11.8m debt and I assume some gravy to boot. The 27m debt comes with a 4 year tag. The 11.8 is 2 prospects at prospect pay, 1 roster rookie one year removed, under control, at 310k, and Hicks at 11.1m, with 26-28 on his contract @ 11.2 per
Devers was due, over the length, 256m. The Red Sox made a smart fiscal focused move, gave Bregman OPEN confidence, instead of clubhouse assurances, and…dare I say it, open the door to Schwarber if he jumpos at a 22-22m per/over 4 offer as that is where he is angling and the phils ain’t going to pay that and the Sox will. if you are going to spend money on a guy who is a DH for the most part, you may as well chase the best DH in the current market 😉
Tibbs and Harrison are the opposite of “Middling” prospects. Unless you’re unaware of what the word “middling” means.
Harrison is not a prospect Susan. TIBBS is a Middlin prospect. being better than Average at A ball is not something I consider “Superior”. If you do, well, more power to you 🙂
“Harrison is not a prospect Susan. TIBBS is a Middlin prospect.”
Harrison was a top 30 prospect in baseball just a year ago. He’s pitched all of 182 innings in the big leagues. Tibbs was drafted 13th overall just 12 months ago. If you think they’re “middling”, congratulations, you know nothing about talent evaluation.
A few prospects outlets see Bello as a future back end starter and Tibbs as a future platoon OF, Tibbs is ranked with a 45FV and Bello 35FV. I’m not sure that qualifies as middling, but both have a greater then 50% washout likelyhood w/o ever seeing the majors. I can’t find either player on any updated top 100 lists and neither has all that great of scouting cards.
Harrison will never have the control to hold down a rotation spot in the big leagues. He will be a serviceable bullpen arm.
The Giants have several young arms and it was pretty obvious they would probably trade one of them. Nice to have pitching depth but too many is too many.
So, Mike Krukow, one of our announcers and former pitcher was asked by Posey which of the young ones he thought would prove best, he told him Harrison.
Devers is nothing like Betts. Betts helps you as much in the field and on the bases as he does at the plate!
But what’s the difference? The Sox ran them both out of town
Devers isn’t as good as Betts. He is a hitter only, can’t run, can’t field, and has a terrible attitude!!
Harrison was at one point the top rated left handed pitching prospect in the league by some people. Tibbs had done well so far, but only in a A ball, he was the 13th pick in last years draft though
Betts was the ultimate team player. Devers is a me-first, “I got my bag so FU”, type of player. Polar opposites.
@baseball why are replying to me? I never mentioned Betts or Devers
Soto future DH
Nimmo future DH
Vientos DH now and future
Winker DH 2025
Marte DH 2025
How many DHs do the Mets need?
They’re set for 15 years.
Terrible timing. Couldn’t wait a few days. Wow.
What fools Henry and breslow are
They got 2 pitchers with a 4.00+ era (career) it both are trash wait till u see them pitch their bullpen guys that’s it and don’t expect anything good from the from the giants prospect pool because of Devers contract
I’m officially done with the Red Sox’s after 40+ yrs
Harrison was around a top 30 prospect in all of baseball just a year ago. Tibbs was the Giants 1st round pick last year. Is it amazing value? No, but it’s a solid return when you consider that they also dumped Devers’s entire contract. If you made it through the Mookie Betts trade, you should be able to handle losing Devers.
With all respect, explain why they need to have “dumped Dever’s entire contract.”
Toxic stuff. Telling off your gm justified but the man that cuts your check. Devers had to go no question.
@Chicken: I didn’t say that they needed to dump it, just that they did. And if you’re going to avoid paying any of the $250 million left on a DH’s contract, getting four players–two of them prospects with good upside–is a solid return. The Betts trade was worse than this. If @mcase7187 was able to stomach that, then this Devers deal shouldn’t faze him.
Apparently you don’t know anything about Harrison or Tibbs. You also don’t seem to know Devers contract is awful. Enjoy your time away.
The prospect return is usually less when you take on a lot of money.
You’re nuts. The Red Sox crushed this deal.
Hicks has an FIP under 4.00 this season, despite his high ERA. His career numbers aren’t special but he isn’t bad overall.
Harrison’s stats aren’t great but he is only 23. There is room to grow
Devers lacks major fundamentals. Guy can rake but can’t field and makes a ton of baserunning miscues as well.
It’s not like he had trade value on the market. Henry’s hands are tied and breslow was absolutely ready to strangle him when he told him to go get his 1b on the trade market
They unloaded a malcontent on an anchor contract. Devers in no Mookie.
We thought the Red Sox righted their wrongs when they locked up devers but looks like they still hate long term money
Henry has be orchestrating the overton window on Devers as a Red Sox for months now
I can understand why BOS fans would be upset but in the long run I think this makes them better. It might even make them better this season. The FO handled this whole situation poorly but it seems like the relationship was untenable.
The Red Sox made the relationship untenable and put the blame on Devers. I’d trade the entire Red Sox managment and ownership for a couple lotto tickets before I made that deal. A chess machine could do a better job making decisions than those dumb Red Sox computer nerds could. Why would you trade Devers? His contract is great compared to Guerreros or Sotos. His bat is just so much more important than the money they paid him.
I agree that Boston handled the situation poorly but so did Devers. Are computer nerds dumb though? Seems incongruent to me.
There are plenty of reasons to trade Devers. He can hit but he already looks out of shape for one.
How were they supposed to handle the situation? After signing Bregman, Devers had no chance of playing 3rd base. Devers was/is very unrealistic in his personal assessment. That will never change, because of his limited intelligence.
Top – round is definitely a shape
They should have handled it by getting ahead of any obvious issues that would arise, like this one. Communicating with Devers before signing Bregman is a prerequisite.
I’m not calling Devers a saint but “limited intelligence” is way overboard. They obviously saw enough in him to dedicate a lot of money and he’s a great hitter.
Are computer nerds good at knowing baseball or they good at computers?
They got mad at Jim rice earlier this season. Jim Rice knows a thing or two and they got mad and told him to not interfere when a player asked for his opinion. The Red Sox let go of the scouting staff last off season that found Anthony and a bunch of great players because it doesn’t make sense to scout in person as much anymore when the data collected can go into their models.
What does Jim Rice know about running a baseball team? Great player but he has no experience as a GM. Does that mean Branch Rickey shouldn’t have been hired?
You seem to have an anti-intellect bias based on your commentary.
btw great job of not answering a question but posing a different question instead. it was your original comment that called “computer nerds” “dumb.”
are they dumb or not?
Ha reading you is hilarious. How is calling specific computer nerds dumb mean I have an anti-intellect bias? You certainly made one things clear.
Devers is a top notch hitter. His actions, “speak for themselves”!! The meeting in K C, with Henry, assured Devers would be traded at some point this year.
still no answer ✌️
And when did the Red Sox finally turn their years of futility into a series of championships? It was in the early 2000’s when they hired Bill James and turned their front office into one of the more analytically-driven ones in baseball.
Say what you want about devers and his attitude, but the idea that his contract is an anchor is insane.
Hes one of the best hitters in all of baseball and signed to half of what he would get on the open market right now
You think he would get 500MM on the open market? Not to take you literally but he’s owed 254.5MM still.
I personally don’t think he would. I’d bet around 300MM and many would consider it immediately regrettable.
In a world where Vlad got 500 and Soto got 700 you think Devers gets 60% of the lower of the 2?
Contracts have drastically increased since he signed his.
well, Vlad got 500MM over 14 years as a 26 year old from his home team really looking to make a splash. Soto got seriously paid but I don’t personally think Devers would get that month on the open market. Who else got even 400 ever outside of Ohtani?
So what you’re saying in that the market setting contracts don’t count because you say they don’t count?
Devers is a really good player on a good contract, in no way, shape or form is it an anchor contract.
no, what I’m saying is that you cited two outlier contracts that I don’t think would apply to Devers. I could certainly be wrong but he’s at least comparable to Alonso who settled for basically a one year contract.
He’s as close to Alonso as he is to Vlad imo and Alonso has 10 points in OPS+.
I cited 2 contracts because they are recent. There is no point in pulling data from 5 years ago, the market moves.
Alonso was coming off a .788 season and is 2 years older.
Vlad is his best comparable, especially given the moving off 3b, he’s older so he doesn’t get a 14 year deal, but gets 12 X 35-40aav easy
who is citing data from five years ago? certainly not me.
It’s all speculation but I still don’t think somebody gives Devers as a future DH twelve years. Vlad is also coming off a 940 OPS being two years younger. he has a 1004 OPS as well while Devers topped out at 916 (so far) as a 22 year old. Plus, deserved or not you have to think that Devers’ reputation has at least a little shine off of it.
Either way, appreciate the respectful dialog. This is a nice move for SF for the next few years and gives BOS another (after another) reset.
I don’t think he would get that close to $500 million either. Vlad Jr still fields a position and is a couple of years younger.
You are assuming Devers can’t go back into the field. Which is wrong. It’s been only been 2.5 months of DH. He only moved to DH because the Red Sox forced him out of 3B for Bregman and to create this trade. Giants would be crazy to keep him at DH when there is value to get in the field, either 1B or some 3B.
Using that assumption he’d field, he would get at least 80% of what Vlad got.
This was a tremendous haul for Devers and his contract and limited field position. Sox should be thrilled to have so many quality players in return and getting out of a bloated DH contract
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Buster !!
I’m going to need a minute or two…..
Buster going for it! I like it! I guess he sees the Dodgers and Padres as vulnerable and trying to change then script.
Yeah. It’s good. Having a crack. Balls out. Wasn’t overly impressed with all the Devers drama but I’m sure I can get past that.
Where does Chapman play when he comes back?
3B, as always. Devers will probably DH like he has been doing.
LOL
Chapman is a 5-time Gold Glove winner, and a 2-time Platinum Glove winner. So… Third Base.
I find this entire little mini-series to be quite amusing. We have drama, we have pouting, we have corporate arrogance, we have more pouting and we have tons of fans and followers losing their minds.
As a dispassionate observer, the Red Sox got rid of the huge $$ commitment for a full-time DH, and have a ton of position players to filter back into the mix. If any part of the trade return hits for them it is a bonus.
I did hear a whispered rumor that Devers, as a part of the trade deal, has demanded a 4 day work week while he is in SF but I have no confirmation for that little tidbit.
Shortstop
What now?
Hope the other players are good…
They better be good…
And They Aren’t
@fenwayfanatic Just say ” I don’t know anything about the best young prospects in baseball”
Who, the only guy they are getting back is Tibbs. He is not even in the top 100 and is hitting .245 in A+. Bello is not even ranked in SFG top 30 in mlb.com, not that they are the be all end all
FenwayFanatic
“…the only guy they are getting back is Tibbs.”
What? In 2024 Harrison was ranked the 23rd overall prospect. He’s only 23. And Andrew Bailey was his pitching coach when he debuted, and he undoubtedly had input. Harrison is the main guy for the Sox in this trade.
Yeah smart guy, evaluate him off of a 2-month sample of BATTING AVERAGE, lol.
Yeah, he’s probably never even heard of Kyle Harrison until now.
Harrison has consistently posed a high 4 era. And you are right, Tibbs is not bad, but maybe I just have a much higher estimation of Devers.
lmao, wasn’t Harrison supposed to star tonight?
Yeah. That’s why they started Hjelle in a bullpen game.
Holy cow didnt see that coming.
Probably wrong thread, but—YOU probably didn’t see the Cardinals falling out of contention by Father’s Day either….so now, you can watch a different team!
WTF
I hope to play first base
I bet the brass had enough of his unwillingness to switch positions.
I think there was a lot more behind the scenes.
Most likely he said the magic word to the wrong person on top of everything else that’s happened this year.
I bet the refusal to play 1st and the apparent lack of hustle on that grounder in NY the other day sealed it.
This started well before the 1B issue, this happened when the Red Sox signed Bregman without informing Devers. This entire drama was set up by the BoSox to push blame onto the player. Just like how they said Betts wouldn’t sign.
They don’t have to inform players of anything. They play where they are told to play, period. This whole drama was caused by Devers being a me-first POS. I’m glad he is gone.
This is such an insane attitude that lacks any sort of reality.
Devers has been one of the best players on the team since he’s been up, if they wanted him to play 1B they should have asked him to move in the offseason, not because of an injury.
Red Sox tried to treat their best player like a utility infielder and then complain when he’s unhappy.
Find me another example of a top player in their prime switching to a new position with no notice.
That is why he was traded.
I have to admit, I kinda love this. MLB teams usually play it so safe. This is a big gamble by both teams. That makes it fun!
IKR…this is a kinda cool drama trade lol
I hope no one is gambling on Hicks…
Hicks was included just to get his contract off San Francisco’s books, a salary dump going the other way.
That’s entirely true from SF’s perspective.
From Boston’s POV, Hicks’ is signed through 2027 ($30M+ remaining), so they’ll focus on making him the high-leverage, flame-throwing, setup/closer that he used to be – when healthy – not very long ago in St Louis.
@goob
But he was never a high leverage anything in St. Louis. The Cardinals gave him opportunities, but he never did much with them. They gave him opportunities to start also, same result.
If Hicks works out for Boston, good on them. But the Cardinals, Blue Jays, and Giants all got tired of Hicks eventually. The Red Sox will most likely get tired of him too.
No this was about Bregman coming back from injury and the production of Mayer and Toro which allows them to ship out Devers. The past month Toro has had similar production to Devers.
Toro is a freakin Utility player.
Cooper, how does Toro being a utility player in the past conflict with the statement that he has been as good as Devers the past month? With Yoshida likely to return after the ASG, Devers needed to go away.
Have you seen his stats the last 30 games? He has an ops near .900 just like Devers has for the season.
It’s not much of a gamble for the Giants—unless Devers’s swing doesn’t meld well with Oracle Park’s dimensions.
It’s a lot of long term money. There is always some risk in that.
SF is much better for lefty line drive hitters than righties–they built the park essentially around Barry Bonds swing afterall. Devers should put up the same numbers in SF as long as there’s guys on base to drive in. He may lose a couple 320 HR in the right corner like at Fenway, but RF/Right-Center power alleys are perfect for him
If their intent was building the park around Barry Bonds, then they failed. Bonds could hit in any park. Oracle, for HRs, is marginally worse for LHHs. The PA for RHHs is 81, and it’s 78 for LHHs.
Wow!!!
?????
He’s not going to San Francisco to play 3b. I guess he’s gonna be their DH instead of Bostons? Boston did have a surplus of big league bats, specifically lefty bats. But still this is shocking.
Wtf. Alright, didn’t see that coming lol.
Jordan hicks is trash
Jordan Hicks new closer after Chapman is also dealt.
No he is not. He just needs to be used in the right role on a pitching staff.
What?!?!?!?
We are getting back NOTHING
You do math? I am thinking not.
You are getting rid of a major headache and a major contract
John Henry is that you?
You’re getting pitching. Which is exactly what the Red Sox need
They have a plethora of young hitters without attitude Campbell Anthony Mayer opens up playing time for them. Clears Devers attitude and contract. Brings back much needed pitching
Red Sox making out like bandits on this one.
He was worth EVERY bit of that money
Lmao paying a DH only dude 31 mill wasn’t smart. Red Sox get lucky and get out of the contract. Bring back some mlb ready pitching to boot.
I agree. However, that doesn’t mean the money can’t be better spent to improve the club.
I really thought they were going to trade a blue chip for a bona fide star.
Yes. Players with OPS+ of 149 are everywhere and easy to replace. lol
149 OPS+ divided by 31 is 4.8 OPS+ per dollar
A dude hitting 110 OPS+ , 120 OPS+ making league minimum, plus whatever else 30 million dollars buys you offers more value to the team than just one dude making 31 million dollars hitting 149 OPS+
Yeah Juan Soto was great for the Padres.
King, Cease, Profar, Vasquez, and whatever else SD bought with money saved from he Soto trade made them a better overall team last year.
See the problem is you look at one individual and thing Omg they can’t replace one individual. Thats a pretty narrow incomplete take. It’s not replace one dude it’s what can you accomplish by replacing him and his salary.
Can you look around the league???? Guys are making what Devers makes for 2/3rds of his production
Again. It’s just not Devers
It’s Roman Anthony replacing Devers and whatever else 31 mill buys the Red Sox plus the players acquired.
So question is
Does allowing a young hitter playing time, Harrison, hicks, prospects, and whatever 31 mill buys make the Red Sox better than paying Devers 31 mill to play DH? Obvious answer is yes cause you’re upgrading other areas of need by taking a minimal hit at DH production.
Red Sox could sign JD Martinez right now mid reason plug him at DH for vet min and he’d give them 110 120 OPS+
Idk why people think it’s gonna be hard to replace Devers impact on the team by improving other areas of need. Literally listed an example is Juan Soto and people still think it’s just Devers like Sox did a 1 for 1 salary swap.
The Red Sox should employ this strategy for sure. Let’s call it Moneyball.
The fact they didn’t take back a bunch of money or have to trade prospects to get off his contract is a huge deal.
Since when are RED SOX Fans the equivalent of Pirates or Marlins fans, worrying about team payrolls and player salaries?
You are the freaking Red Sox. You will have a Top 5 payroll every single season. If you are trading one of the Top 3 hitters in the AL simply because he makes a lot of money you are seriously doing things (butt) backwards.
Diabetic Rockstar when it comes to one of the highest paid guys on the team hitting a lot isn’t enough. At $250 million you need to set an example to the rest of the team. The Red Sox know this. There is a bloody sock on display in Cooperstown that demonstrates what it takes to win. And Devers former teammate Mookie Betts shows what being a team player is all about. This isn’t MLB the Show and this team will never be relevant if led by guys like Devers.
*a bloody steroid sock.
The pitching we are getting isn’t that good
You are a hand wringer.
You are REALLY doing to crap when Duran is gone in the coming weeks
Easy – red sox need *quality* pitching…. and this ain’t it
You got a ton of money to get it now.
Harrison has value. And you get out of that stupid contract. That could help lead to re signing Bregman this offseason if he opts out.
I don’t believe it will be a stupid contract at the end of it
He’s a DH with one of the biggest contracts in all of baseball.
Agree – I’d sign him to that now and it’s basically getting a little bit worse version of Soto for a lot less money
Every contract in baseball looks good compared to the Soto deal.
Harrison has value as a 4 inning pitcher with walk issues, just like Hicks…
Harrison’s career is just getting started. His upside potential is, in a word, large.
$250 million + – clubhouse distraction.
Whaaaaaaaat?
The Red Sox unloaded a jackass that’s owed over $250 million. That’s a great thing for them.
Kudos to Breslow for finding a taker, though we can’t expect much more than Harrison and Hicks coming back. Frees up a lot of money for deadline deals and FA signings this winter……at least on paper.
One way to look at it. But they got themselves into this situation, and even the slightest bit of foresight or proper planning could’ve prevented this.
Fathers Day Massacre
Wait WHAT?!?!
Hey hey hey, good bye
The huevos on Buster Posey!
Love this deal, Harrison had lost of velocity recent and still has control issues.
Devers might end up in the Hall of Fame.
He is fat and already regressing.
You disgust me
Pablo Sandoval would like to speak with you.
Fred, Hey, keep up. The drop in velocity was last season. It’s back up now. The kid is only 23, and needs some experience, and a 4th pitch. This season he has 3.4 BB/9, and 9.5 SO/9, which hardly suggests control issues.
And Sox play SF this week!
Hicks has been terrible. Harrison is meh. I hope the other players they receive are good bc Devers will be one motivated dude
Would Eldridge be in the trade???!!!
Na, he would’ve been the centerpiece
Nope I was wrong and Whisenhunt wasn’t in the deal either, steal for the giants I think
Not a chance in hell
this trade is just about sending Devers out from Boston’s perspective.
Devers has never been motivated. That is the entire problem. He doesn’t care about the team. He only cares about himself and what’s for dinner.
Guess there were front office not happy with the me first attitude of Devers. Good luck Rafael, better get in better shape to run harder hitting balls into triples alley.
Yeah like they said back in the day: “Good luck Babe, better get in better shape to run harder hitting balls into triples alley”.
55/45 odds that he eats a few too many sourdough chowdah bowls by the bayside and never loses weight… still a baller move by SF! Great hitter, but I do see his SLG drop substantially in that boneyard!
As long as he doesn’t go the way of Panda, how can you not like this as a Giants fan? And since when are some Red Sox fans doing backflips over saving $? Didn’t realize Boston was a mid market club
70/30
Soured relationship / BO$ get$ out
Sure, pennies on the dollar
Devers may bang up his shoulders again if he goes back to playing in the field. He was on a throwing program in spring training because of his shoulders.
Gwynning
“…I do see his SLG drop substantially in that boneyard!”
I agree, but other teams have to play there too. And Devers will play half his games on the road, so that drop in SLG doesn’t bother me that much.
Well said Jean, and maybe he transitions his game slightly and starts tucking away Batting Titles with a small ding on the SLG. I wouldn’t be surprised! Cheers bub
There are shocking trades, and then there’s THIS. WOW.
What a major move by Posey. Devers should provide the bat Giants desperately needed
Great opportunity for Hicks & Harrison
Wow. Just wow. Dodger fan but kudos to the Giants for going for it. Respect.
please not Eldridge or Whisenhunt
Eldridge it is
Sorry not Eldridge
the luka doncic trade of mlb
Name-checking NBA player on baseball blog? Dumb Sportsball Fan thinking.
What?! Wow
I have a feeling Boston didn’t get the best package, just like with the Betts trade. San Francisco is probably the only team willing to pay full salary right now.
Agreed. If SF took on all of Devers’ remaining contract, the prospect return will be less. People forget that the prospect return for Mookie was less because the Dodgers took on $48M which was half of David Price’s remaining contract.
boston will use the devers $ to extend roman anthony + marcelo mayer
Whoa!
Seriously shocked! And I can’t lie.. garbage return for Devers
But a great move by SF.. they absolutely Stold Devers! As I said in my first comment.. Garbage return for BOS.. unless the “other players” are big names?
James Tibbs III is in the deal
Except they’re not… it’s a quantity over quality deal to just ship him out.
Cora had hinted at a big, difficult roster decision looming. Now we know what it was
It’s the salary & headache $250 million off the books.
SF is paying all the rest of Devers’ salary, so BOS is completely off the hook. For this to be a complete success story the Sox need to invest that money wisely which is no guarantee.
Holy crap, absolutely did NOT see that coming
Trading your best hitter for a package highlighted by two slop throwing pitchers is hilarious. Craig Breslow might be the worst to ever do it
Ronk, Definitely not 2 slop throwing pitchers. Harrison is averaging 95.1 on his 4-seamer this season, which puts him in the 65th percentile. He’s also in the 68th, and 70th percentile for K% and Whiff%. Hicks average FB is 97.3 which is in the 92nd percentile. Hicks definitely has some issues, which may, or may not, be correctable, but he’s not throwing slop.,
They’re both struggling pitchers going from a pitchers paradise to an extreme hitters park. They’re also going to an organization that is notoriously bad at developing pitching. I don’t expect much improvement from either, if anything things will get worse
Fenway is actually closer to neutral than a hitters ballpark
Ronk, But you’re assuming a previously, highly ranked prospect, who made his debut at age 21, and who is still only 23, is who he appears to be now. Pitching is a learned craft. Most pitchers don’t figure thing out until they’ve had 2, to 5 years experience at the ML level.
Maybe Harrison won’t develop, and he is who he appears to be now. But to refer to him, as a guy just throwing slop, is incorrect, and the point I took exception to.
I have no idea how you came up with that because Fenway is number two in park factor behind only Coors Field
Plenty of former highly ranked prospects don’t pan out. Harrison looks to be no different. I’m sorry that you took offense to my comment about a professional athlete who doesn’t even know your name
Kyle Harrison and Jordan Hicks aren’t “slop”, no one is offended and they don’t have to know our names, but you should know their names as they’re on the field playing professionally, and their names are certainly not “slop”.
And you probably didn’t know Kyle Harrison’s name until you saw it in this trade today, genius.
Whatever prospects the Red Sox get will suddenly make BA’s top 100 prospect list regardless of stats or where they’re listed currently.
WOW!!!! I’d hate to be a RedSox fan.
Pretty sure they all think this is a good thing (like the original need to sign him because they traded Betts)…which pretty much tells you all you need to know about that fanbase.
Red Sox fans were tricked into agreeing he needed to go. The amount of media work done to shift fans opinions on a fan favorite highlights how gullible “educated” folks can be.
100%
Pretty sure you have no idea what an entire fan base thinks.
A sentiment common over the last five years
Wut?
Getting away from a franchise with little accountability seems like a good thing.
Holy …. But not surprised, the Red Sox organization historically has dealt guys who didn’t play ball, so to speak.
They have a third baseman. WTF is going on?
Guess they don’t have to send one of the rookies down now when Abreu comes back.
I’m stunned.
This had better work.
Will be perfect when Devers ends up as the Giants’ long term first baseman.
Nah, that would be Bryce Eldridge.
April fools? I’m a Yankees fan so I’m not gonna miss him killing them.
Gerrit Cole approves this deal.
Yankees fans have to be over the moon right now.
Yankee fans are scared s#!tless after getting swept in Fenway AND seeing Tampa Bay coming on strong. (Thanks to the other New York ballclub.)
all that drama, forcing him to leave 3B, go to DH, then maybe back to 3B or maybe 1B, all the questions, all the speculation, all the arguing, he’s not happy, boston’s not happy, and in the end sox trade best hitter in franchise history since david ortiz
jesus f’ing christ
red sox let betts go
now devers
fans will burn fenway to the ground
Educated Boston fans love this move. Cut out the cancer, extend the young studs on team friendly deals! Most overpaid DH in the history of the game, a “me” player with no “team” in him, and a culture cancer. Great move dumping that albatross contract and freeing up money on guys that want to win as a unit. Never should have signed a below average defender for that kind of money in the first place and Breslow looks like a genius to the ownership group getting SF to take on the entire deal! Whether or not any of the payers traded back work out is completely irrelevant for anyone that understands the business side of baseball!
Kudos Breslow.
Get Yoshida some AB’s and trade him off before the deadline and get all these young studs signed to extensions.
ummmm best hitter in franchise histrory since david ortiz whats that like 5-6 years? There are probably sodas sitting in the backroom older than that.. What happened to Xander that got silver slugging and was not far off from him playing tougher position, Betts? JDM?
Wow I guess Breslow really didn’t like inheriting that contract
Devers to DH, Flores to 1B. Eldridge can take over 1B next year
If they’re serious about winning he’ll be up this year.
Devers wants to play 3B, so they sent him to a team whose elite defensive 3B is also their best player. 🤣
Looks like he was good with being DH as late as today….
Posey ain’t effin around….
And for nothing but a salary dump….
The Tigers could’ve beaten that deal…..
Except for the price tag of the acquisition. Dream on….
Detroit isn’t going to take on $200+ million for a DH.
Maybe a third baseman, for the next 5-7 years…..
I still doubt it considering how bad Devers is in the field. Plus, you could use that money on something else, like locking up Skubal.
Seems like Boston has too many starters. Not too many good starters but still too many. Giolito might be released. Houck and Buehler might not he around much longer either.
I feel like we can see Giolito traded in a salary dump as a potential depth piece for a team like the Dodgers, Cubs, etc or a fringe contender like AZ, LA Angels, Padres, etc. Buehler maybe back to the Dodgers??
I am surprised the Giants didnt take a pitcher or 2 back in the deal. They barely have 5 starters right now. Dodgers make sense because they don’t necessarily need a postseason starter just help for now. Cubs need something better than those guys.
This is crazy. More moves to come for the Red Sox for sure.
Not surprising at all. The Giants traded only 1 starter, Harrison. and he was a starter only because Verlander went to the IL, and should be back soon. Right now they have Webb, Ray, Roupp, Birdsong, and Verlander when he’s ready. They also have Whisenhunt who’s pitching very well at Sac. Pitching is the strength of the Giants’ farm. They need bats.
Hicks was a starter. And the Giants don’t have a lot of depth past Wisenhunt they have guys but they don’t look all that good. Why not take Giolito or Houck?
Because Beck, Hjelle and Bivens are all ex starters coming out of their bullpen because there is no room in the rotation.
Hicks wasn’t a starter anymore.
At least SF did the Sox a favor with the experiment of having Hicks start for a year plus, so we know he’ll be a reliever only going forward.
Hicks could be the Red Sox closer in 2026.
Puster Bosey!
Nice haul for Red Stockings.
Devers sort of played himself into this, but in a vacuum the value seems really nice on the Giants’ end. I assume the Sox will stretch out Harrison?
Regardless of who won or lost in this, once a player literally refuses to play a position that you are telling him to play then it is insubordination. The player is an employee of the team and ownership. They had no choice but to trade him imo
That player was lied to by the current manager when he signed the contract. And instead of apologizing for it, decided to be like “meh..new GM. Deal with it”
Were any of the “lies” codified into his contract? No? Then he should do whatever is asked of him. If he wanted to only play a specific position, he should have made them put it in writing. Does he think he’s the first employee to be misled by upper management?
Managers don’t sign guys to contracts, GMs, or PBOs do, and the current PBO did not make any promises to Devers.
That is correct.
Both teams have won the trade. Boston saving 250mill to reload on possible new free agents or extension is genius. He just wasnt working out in Boston and perhaps theres some risk he wont age as well as the contracts worth. This is a baseball trade, love it.
Alex Cora wins again. First Chaim Bloom and now Devers.
If Boston is ready to make a move like this, Cora shouldn’t get too comfortable.
Cora is running the show and all of us Sox fans know it. He’s untouchable.
Cora has dirt on the big guy for sure
He’ll DH
“No way Boston trades him”
I especially enjoyed the “good luck moving that albatross of a contract” commenters. Bunch of bozos, it would seem.
its good for baseball
Huge bat for the Giants. This trade came out of nowhere.
Decent prospect haul or Boston on top of the salary relief. That’s an expensive DH
He’ll play 1st, he has no reason to pout with Giants. He will probably be open to it to stick it to the sox
This makes the Betts deal look even worse for the Sox
Best part of this is unloading Hicks contract! Woohoo
It’s only 11 million next year and also the year after? Not bad?
By the way, have you seen Rafael Dever‘s contract? Ya, you’re paying all of it.
Top 5 lefty hitter vs a guy that is a gas can in a big ballpark. Good luck with him in that little league field.
Yes, the Red Sox need help. I think that’s why they made the trade. Roster crunch of too many outfielders and too many infielders.
That last time I was this totally shocked at a trade by Boston in season, Nomar was headed to Chicago… boy I hope this plays out the same way!!!
The inclusion of Tibbs makes this a little more interesting for the Red Sox. But a 22 y/o college bat with contact concerns while playing in the Northwest League only moves the needle of this trade so much.
I think he will DH. Smith has looked good. Flo and Smith to platoon at 1B would be my guess.
Oops. Wrong spot. Again.
Ignore that Mack.
I’m personally not convinced by Mr. Tibbs. I was a lot higher on Harrison a year or two ago, but things can still work out for him.
Hicks should strictly be used as a reliever.
As a Cardinal fan, Hicks was somehow more frustrating to watch than Carlos Martinez, Jason Motte, and Esteban Yan combined. Guy has no idea how to pitch, but he sure has a fast and heavy sinker. But even as a relief option, low leverage is best, because he often has no idea where that thing is going and can’t damage control if he’s not completely “on” that day.
Sounds like a perfect fit for the Red Sox bullpen, for whatever reason they always seem to have a hard on for those type of pitchers.
John Henry needs to be tar and feathered like they used to do in the old times. I have had enough of this crap.
“We traded Mookie so we could keep Devers.”
Wow!
Hicks is starting…or relieving?….seems he left the Jays because he was only slotted in as a reliever there. His starts have been not so good recently….
I’m pretty sure that after SF, the starting pitcher experiment is over for Hicks. Last year, he started off well, but flagged pretty quickly. He struggled even more this year and lost his spot in the rotation.
I love huge trades. This is great because the Red Sox have a roster crunch.
Too many outfielders and too many infielders.
I would love them to dump Jaren Duran next and trade high on him too.
More pitching, more pitching, more pitching !!
Yup. Like Giolito and Liam.
Those two are the worst. Negative perspective much?
You have to know if you’re a baseball fan that pitching is a crapshoot right?
Holy cow, easily the most shocking trade of the year. I think it’s a win for both teams, the Red Sox finally letting go of Devers to explore new options, and the Giants acquiring a strong batter. I’ll bet the Dodgers are a little nervous…
Red Sox have no 3rd baseman once Bergman opt out at the end of the year.
They now have the money to sign him long term.
A man can only take one terrible thing at a time, are you trying to give me heartburn?
luckily he wasn’t traded to another team with an elite defensive third baseman
If San Fran is absorbing most of the money this is huge for Boston. They will be resigning Bregman and give him the world.
Makes up for not signing a big name like Judge.
This is honestly insane. I get why Boston traded him I just didn’t think it would actually happen! He’s a great bat though, the youngsters better be all they are hyped up as, because this is showing tons of confidence in them. Gives them flexibility and a semi-useful and not very useful arm.
Giants aren’t messing around. They can’t seem to land the big free agent but this is one way to get an impact player. Devers contract may look ugly in a few years, but right now he’s on a tear and has been an elite hitter for a long time. I wonder if the Giants will need to make other moves after adding this much money??
It also sends a message to the youngsters, don’t mouth off and actually like devers.
It sends the message “you’re next” so they shouldn’t get comfy with Henry
Now trade Duran to the Mets.
Duran has been slumping lately.
Not surprised at all. Good riddance. Lazy and definitely not a team player. Contract was stupid. See ya
HOLY COW!!!
Heh heh, happy Sunday funday. So wonder what’s on the telly? Nothing. Uh, time to turn on old MLBTR for some yucks. Wonder what’s new uh, wot?????
Lmaoooooooooooooooo
Just looked it up at mlb.com and Tibbs is the Giants #4 prospect. Plays outfield and… first base !!
I wonder where he’ll be playing fairly soon !!?
Gotta at least get Wisenhunt
Whisenhunt, and Eldridge weren’t going to happen.
Excuse me. What in the world?
Devers had no future on the Red Sox, why do I say that? Bregman is eventually going to be coming back from injury, so you gonna send back Toro or Mayer? Romy is producing pretty well at first. I think Toro is going to finish the season as DH and since his call up he has been lights out.
Looking at Toro, I keep wondering, “Where’s the beef?” I think he ends up as a lefty corner infielder for the bench or a platoon. I don’t see him replacing Devers in any way.
Imagine wanting to oust your best player for Abraham Toro. LMAOOOOO
You cannot be serious.
Oh My God !!!!!!!
Uh so who’s on 3rd in SF LOL. CRAZY
If Boston wants Bogaerts back, make the call.
Where’s FPG?!?
This isn’t a move that you would normally see a team making in the middle of a playoff push. Devers is one of the best bats in the majors.
That said, he wasn’t any good at 3B even before the weight gain this winter, and his refusal to play 1B is limiting – can any team afford to lock up their DH position at that price for that many years?!? I had always assumed he would move to 1B.
With Anthony and Yoshida in the wings, they have options at DH. Haven’t yet looked at what they got in return, but given the $$$ involved I wouldn’t expect much. Still doubt it makes the Red Sox more competitive in 2025, but it gives them a ton more flexibility for 2026.
Yeah I like the move from a value perspective for the Red Sox and like it for them long term. But thet got worse in the short term it appears and they are only a half game out.of the wild card race.
Will isn’t that a fine kettle of fish!? Welcome to the Wild West, RD!!!
Saw this coming for weeks now but thought Boston would get more in return
Bruh the Giants are paying off the remainder of the contract and got the first round pick from a couple years ago on top of the Major League ready pitching. That’s a hell of a haul.
After Casas got hurt he REFUSED for the better of the team to try and play first. He only cares about the name on the back of his jersey not the front. Good luck to him. Adios
Here is why Henry can do whatever he wants. Trade our best hitter for nothing and these believers blame the player and not the Rich ahole who owns the media narratives.
Is Dom Smith the odd man out now as far as being DFAed?
I like this deal for Boston. Devers’ contract was a hindrance for a DH only with attitude/hustle issues. I know his teammates love him, but I think he was throwing off the vibes with the 1B/3B drama. This clears a path to keep Marcelo’s bat in the lineup when Bregman comes back, frees up money for deadline/offseason pitching acquisition, and provides flexibility to get guys ABs. The two arms are just icing on the cake, if they prove to be serviceable at all.
Ironically, the Sox play the Giants on this trip.I wonder which Raffy we’ll see.
My first thought
Hopefully one playing 3B and we can benefit from his defense
Given what’s been happening around the league, a contender trading pitching away seems like a bold move, Cotton.
Hicks was surplus to requirements. Some might say down the bullpen pecking order even. Wants to start and Buster is big on the human side of the game. Verlander close to back. Couple of ex starters currently in the bullpen that could be stretched out. There’s a “Harrison” replacement in AAA in Whisenhunt. But yes, bold.
Pitching depth is the one thing the Giants don’t lack. Now bats? That’s what they’ve lacked all season.
ballsy. allows them to make bregman a red sock for life. fwiw the 2 comp trades (nomar and the gonzalez/crawford/beckett) led to titles
That’s a steal for Boston. Giants paying the entire contract and still dealt players. Wow!
Jordan Hicks
1-5 with a 6.47 ERA (and is injured)
Kyle Harrison
1-1 with a 4.56 ERA
Boston brass are morons! I’d be absolutely PIZZED if I was a Red Sox fan! Wow…..
Red Sox trade a Yankee killer for a pitcher who seems perfect for the Bombers to own. Crazy. Not a Sox fan but have plenty of friends who are- when will Sox start caring about the fans who love their stars they jettison?
Whoa! That was not on anyone’s bingo cards…..where is Dever’s going to play — is he just going to sit at the DH?
will he play 1b until Elridge?
Giants finally have a player that can hit over 30 HR a season
who didn’t saw this coming? You getting paid 30+ Mils a yr and you refuse to play a position .
Seems like the Sox got fleeced.
Not really. It checks a lot of boxes for Boston and he’s a me-first guy that was causing a log jam of bats by refusing to play 1B. I wish him well. But they just freed up a ton of cash to go get an arm at the deadline or offseason.
Boston is getting the Giants most recent first round pick Tibbs as well. And Bello doesn’t look like a throw in.
I like the value of the deal for the Red Sox. But they are only a half game out of a wild card spot and I don’t think they got better with this trade. At least not today right now.
Bello might be the most clear-cut example of a “lottery ticket” prospect I can think of. Very small frame too. He has such a long way to go.
I would assume Bregman gave them some kind of, “hey i’m staying” right? This looks worse if he opts out and signs elsewhere.
Is it not a baseball players’ job to do what will help his team win games?
HOLY COW
With some of the prospects the Red Sox have, time for the youth movement. Devers goes to a team that has a 3B in Chapman, so DH for him. Giants are ALL IN this year, and in future years with both him and Chapman in the line up.
Devers contract is basically at a 34 million discount for the giants by dumping the hicks contract on the Sox.
Imagine looking at Hicks’ profile and calling his peripherals “fantastic”
Did Breslow write this article?
This is very reminiscent of the Red Sox/Dodgers deal from 2012 when the Sox dumped Crawford and Beckett in exchange for 5 fairly minor players. That trade set up Boston for the World Series the next year. At least this time they didn’t have to attach a layer of Adrian Gonzalez’s caliber to get things done. Sometimes you just have to reallocate your money when you realize it is not working. I think this could be a brilliant move by Boston.
And I really think this is bad for Devers. San Francisco has never been a hitter’s haven for anyone other than Barry Bonds. He should be thankful that his money is guaranteed because I think his career numbers will end up about 20-25% less than they would have in Boston.
Are you kidding me, Carl Crawford was terrible and Josh Beckett was way past it. Devers is in his prime and is 28. He’s playing with his best approach in years and is hitting really well
Yeah but Adrian Gonzalez was in his prime and hitting really well. Devers is kind of a combination of the three. His game is fine, but his attitude and demeanor made the deal necessary. They had a choice to dump him now while someone wanted him or keep a clubhouse cancer for the next decade.
Devers will hit in SF.
History would seem to disagree with you, but good luck with your prediction.
History? That’s kind on an ineffectual way to look at it. He’s only played 3 games at Oracle.
Watching on ESPN they had Statcast saying 11 of his 2Bs at Fenway would have been HRs at Oracle. And, I forget how many singles off the green monster there was, but many would have been HRs or XBHs at other parks, including Oracle. The monster robs guys of HRs on a regular basis. Fenway is fairly neutral, and Oracle is not bad for anything other than HRs.
From 10,000 feet in the air, this is a tremendous trade for Boston. They have a ton of payroll flexibility to keep Bregman, lock up Mayer/Anthony, trade from their still present depth for a pitcher at the deadline.
Right now, tho… wow.
When have they ever done that.
Why would you trade one of the best hitters for four bags of balls? Hitters like Devers do not grow on trees. I guess we are going to go to another rebuild. If we were going to contend this year then trading Devers doesn’t make sense. Bregman will be gone too. Should just go ahead and trade Duran. This ownership group doesn’t have a clue of what they are doing! Just call us the Rockies.
TRASH is what the Red sox got and $ relief.
I would say immediate dismissal of Breslow but this is ownership
I like to deal from the perspective, that it opens up the DH slot for the 4 outfielders to rotate. I don’t like the deal because the Red Sox did not get enough for Devers. I would rather have one good ball player than four so so players
dang i feel like that’s a pretty good haul for unloading the whole contract isn’t it? that gives the red sox quite an open future. wonder how some of the bregmans feel about this….crazy saga.
Can Manfred Veto This????
Not really grounds to do so….
Technically, yes FF… but barring something unpredictably obtuse, there’s no real grounds for veto.
Is intentionally sabotaging the team grounds for this?
For the bag of fungo bats that the Redsox received for Devers, the #BlueJays could have offered more. What gives? The Jays need all the help that they can get. Trade Clement and half the farm to get Devers. Yeeeesh, common @MarkShapiro get on deals like this.
Giants made out like bandits. Well done Buster Posey, you nailed this one.
Did Nico Harrison get hired by the Red Sox and I missed it?
respectfully disagree vtadave. If you’re suggesting there is much similarity in the relative talents and potential for impactful production in Luka and Devers, that’s just not realistic. Boston got rid of a 28 year-old one-dimensional cancer who looks 32.
There is no similarity between the NBA and baseball because they’re 2 different sports.
Yay, by all means get rid of a league best hitter but save so much money that can go towards what’s really essential: throwing $ at multi year deals on pitchers recovering from Tommy John. Wonder which White Sox pitcher they can target next. Hear Martin Perez might be available
It’s as if the Sox said, screw this guy, who has an even more entrenched 3B situation than we do? Trade him there.
I’m totally speculating, as I’m a Mets fan, and don’t know the ins and outs of Boston’s payroll situation and needs, but is it possible the Red Sox did this because they intend to make a big run at Kyle Tucker in the offseason, and wanted to clear some money? Devers might not age particularly well, either. Bat speed has been declining (2025 < 2024 < 2023), his already poor in-zone contact rate is one of the worst in the league, he’s a poor defender, etc. And this is a weird move for the Giants, considering how their ballpark absolutely nerfs lefty hitters. Then again, the Giants are run by maybe the least qualified POBO/GM hire in recent memory, a guy they can’t even fire because he’s part of the ownership group (funny how quiet the people who constantly shout about “DEI” are about that. Maybe he just looks like he should be in charge). The whole thing is bizarre.
Losing the contracts of Buehler, Giolito, and Chapman (approx. $50 million) with all their young offensive talent should have allowed for Devers AND Tucker, but perhaps they are looking to reallocate to pitching.
I’m sure they’ll do a great job spending there.
You stated as a Met fan you don’t know much.Enough already.
I don’t think another LH OF is in their plans.
They have a great backlog of outfielders. You could be right. But I think you have the wrong Kyle :).
Once the shock wore off this feels like a good trade coming from a fan of the Rangers who would take either side of it.
Could use Devers much more this season, but every time get comfortable with pitching staff, always needed depth to survive the grind.
Another cry baby wanna be superstar gets his way. I hate how the players have so much power and a big thanks to the Dodgers for the lockout that is going to cripple the game for years to come
Thanks Obama!
Homers are harder to get in SF
Not during the day
Statcast says the same about LHHs at Fenway. They also said 11 of Devers’ 2Bs at Fenway would have been HRs at Oracle.
What happened? Did they get to the airport and he wandered onto a plane to San Francisco instead of Seattle and they just decided to go with it?
BoSox flying to Seattle after sweeping the Yankees, so assume Devers got pulled off the team charter before it backed away from the gate.
Buster Posey is probably the greatest thing to happen to the Giants franchise since Willie Mays
I think Bostons front office likes shopping at old navy because that is a fleece. They should’ve asked for Duran, Jesuar Gonzalez, Eldridge or Whisenhunt in talks? What are they thinking!
They could have asked for those guys, but with SF taking on the entirety of Devers; contract, there’s zero chance they’d have gotten any of them.
And even if Boston agreed to eat some of the money, SF would have said no thanks.
Man I didn’t think I’d see the Sox make a worse trade than the Betts deal, but yep here it is.
What a horrible deal.
How does this help the team win this year?
It doesn’t. After sweeping the Yankees, they’re right back in the thick of things. And that’s without Bregman. I understand it’s a salary dump but Devers isn’t currently a bad contract even at DH because he produces. I’d be pretty unhappy as a RS fan with this trade.
YBC – my disappointment with the trade is the return. I’d be ok moving him if we got something better back.
As you say, he produces. And with the deferrals, his deal is a good bit less than face value.
The team is essentially tied for the WC at this point, which, makes the move somewhat perplexing. There’s definitely more going on that we as fans haven’t heard,
GA – there were reports that Devers asked for a trade in the off-season.
This trade is going to look real bad in two years when the Sox cycle through yet another CBO and Devers is raking with SFG. Similar to the Betts deal.
YBC – yep very unhappy. As GA said, I’d they got something better back I get it. But they will still have an issue with the the roster because they will need to activate Yoshida. So trading Devers for chump change just to get Yoshida ABs isn’t the right answer. It’s no where close to the right answer.
I think this move allows them to make some aggressive trade proposals at the deadline. They still have MLB-ready/high upside prospects to snag a decent SP with some control.
Swan – I don’t think this actually changes how aggressive they could be.
The Sox print money. Unless you mean offloading Devers gives them more room with the luxury tax and FSG would be more willing to take on big salary at the deadline, but if that’s the case then we go back to the whole “FSG is cheap” argument that has been going around for the past few years.
Not trying to come off as negative or harsh, just a little frustrated.
Yeah, totally referring to the luxury tax line. I’m hoping their off season willingness to approach the threshold continues during the season. They’re still in the hunt and if they can land a Pablo Lopez or Zach Gallen, they’d be right there.
Replacing the bat is gonna take a group effort. I don’t feel great pinning our hopes on Toro, Narvaez,Romy and a couple of uber-prospects. A lot of things need to go right in that scenario.
If I were a Red Sox fan I’d be really excited. The team bolstered its position of biggest need (starting pitching). They cleared up space to add pitching. And in the same way that SF losing Harrison doesn’t hurt so much with Whisenhunt, Roupp, etc waiting to get their chance….the Red Sox just added Roman Anthony and Kristian Campbell to their lineup with Marcelo Mayer likely following soon. It’s a big loss in Devers, but opens the door for others. Most importantly, Breslow gets to establish his team more rather than being weighed down by Blooms decisions.
Red Sox probably have to take back Pablo Sandoval too
Boston traded a butt hole for starting pitching
Boston traded a superstar for a used bag of fungo bats. Hicks can’t start to save his life; he is an elite setup man. Harrison has upside but he is a #4 and two turns of the batting order max. Massive underpay.
The Redsox added two arms that are similar to who they already have.Devers is really going to improve the Giants.
Do I hate it? No I don’t hate it.
Red Sux are such a trash organization. This is just another notch in that belt.
In grade school, this one kid used to trade his Snickers bar to me every day for whatever, half an apple, a rice cracker, etc. The Red Sox kinda remind me of that kid.
Poor sap probably has all his teeth and a healthy BMI.
Good news he’s got a very good BMI and most of his teeth. Bad news he died in a motorcycle crash in college.
This will give Whisenhunt a chance to be called up. With Verlander coming back soon, the Giants will have lots of options to cover for Harrison’s departure. Excited to see Whisenhunt inSF at some point.
Hicks and Harrison were easily replaceable in the Giants system. Only Tibbs departure hurts them but not much. It’s the potential longterm effects of the mega contract that is the concern for Giants fans.
This trade has been in the motion since Bregman was signed. Henry has been shifting the overton window on Devers with two major media cycles on how Devers isn’t a team player. Anyone who believes that hogwash is moron. Devers was never anything but genuine, teammates love him, and he always played as hard as he could even if he wasn’t a defender worth a lick. He played incredible baseball in Boston even through injuries and terrible managing. He deserved much more than the betrayal the Red Sox gave him. Good Luck Raffy in San Fran. You were one of the good ones!
“He deserved much more than the betrayal the Red Sox gave him.”
LOL
Ah-HA. A messed-up classless organization under Henry. Yes they won 3 WS’s.
But the problem is that they did what you wrote above to players, managers, and GM’s that got those WS’s wins. Now they’re just a big-spending large market team that have their fans waiting for unproven, overpublicized youngsters to become superstars……
The same situation in Baltimore, although they’re a small market team.
Curious with the value on the return for Devers?
A hard-throwing reliever and a couple guys who have top-five-in-organization talent. Harrison is not a finished product yet. Tibbs has only just started his pro career. Some talent there.
Bello is more of a wild card…
Hicks is partly financial. Wasn’t helping the Giants much and they have prospects ready to supplant him. Saves the Giants 30M over the next 2 1/2 years. Could be a decent piece in the Red Sox bullpen with long relief or emergency starter ability (Garrett Whitlock’s role, but better).
Harrison could be a stud. Likely to slot in anywhere from 3rd to 5th in the rotation for years to come. A quick triple A assignment right away might mean they want to make a couple adjustments with him first.
Tibbs has great lefty power. The kind of player that Boston develops well. He’s like a $100 lottery ticket while Bello is a $5 ticket. As much as it’s tougher bringing in younger prospects, it gives the team the ability to develop the talent.
Hicks has not been effective as a starter.
Was awesome for a couple months last year (which makes sense as a guy gets used to starting). Hicks is more money-saving for the Giants and gives the Red Sox bullpen support, and could go 3-4 if needed with the ability to start in emergencies. None of that says he’s an elite starter, but it’s a role playoff teams need filled.
Two good months out of a year and a half as a starter is not effective. The deciders took Hicks out to rotation and now have shown him the door.
Kinda surprised Boston didnt get more. 2 jobber pitchers, 1 good prospect, and an unknown.
Harrison is still young, he has the potential to improve on this.
Devers’ huge contract is the reason they didn’t get more. He is a great hitter, but he is also very highly paid for a very long time.
And a terrible fielder, so a very expensive DH.
You take what you can to get someone the hell out of your clubhouse
Skubal incoming 2026. Pretty serious top of the rotation 1-2
I wonder if him being around was affecting the clubhouse, he’s not a very good defensive third baseman but imo the offense he provides offsets it. The prospects seem to be more of the prize from what I can tell. Hicks walks way too many guys, Harrison is still young enough to make something of himself if he can cut down on the longball and some walks. Pretty wild trade though this early, definitely makes you think Devers was being disruptive based on the timing and return in the trade.
He won’t play 3B for Giants with Chapman there. He will DH or play 1B. Exclusively.
Yeah Chapman a gold glover so you wont be starting Devers over him when he gets back. Devers bat plays however in the meantime. Hopefully the west coast vibes help him and his new team.
Redsox are going no where this year so play the rookies and see what you have.
1/2 game off the last wild card after sweeping the Yankees. That’s what makes the timing of this trade so OMG.
Red Sox finally sick of his act an shipped his behind out for savings on payroll. He is a cancer and I would be willing to bet that they will improve with him gone.
For those who think the Sox got a steal…you got two 4 inning pitchers with control issues and velocity that drops with each start, and Tibbs is nothing more than a platoon outfielder and an unranked infielder…yikes
…What?
Whoa so we knew Boston was gonna be one of the more active teams but didn’t see this one coming. They’re gonna need some help on the right side of the infield Otto Kemp for Aroldis Chapman, let’s go DD don’t delay. Harrison will take a roataion spot, Hicks will probably close. Chapman and Hendricks probably being discussed for controllable assets.
Doesn’t he want to play 3rd? Matt Chapman occupies 3rd for SF.
He seemed to be doing just fine as a full time DH this season. As long as the Giants don’t ask him to change his position I’m sure he will be fine.
I will say one thing in Giants favor. Because the contract (and Devers’ attitude) are so bad, they are not giving up much. Harrison has the most upside. Tibbs, last years #1 draft pick has been a bust. Hicks is a one-trick pony relief pitcher making a lot of money. Bello was just ranked #22 by Logenhagen (Fangraphs) in a weak system. He is 19 though, maybe some upside…
This is all about dumping a one-dimensional (admittedly talented) hitter with a bad contract and an even worse attitude if your Boston.
I don’t think this is a bad package for the Sox at all considering the money owed/freed up.
Harrison and Tibbs have real value and are nice pieces to get back. I could see Hicks having success back in the pen and being flipped soon, maybe even this deadline.
Think Hicks has a contract thru 2027. Usual deadline deals involve expiring contracts. Kinda doubt anyone would give even a six pack for Hicks considering the contract.
Could be a win win for both teams.
Chapman is out until the end of July. Giants get a bat long term.
They have had issues with most FA signings as non pitcher’s prefer not to sign in SF due to a heavy pitcher friendly park.
Red Sox cut payroll while adding to their MLB roster pitching that required reinforcements. Plus what seems to be a couple of decent prospects.
End of July? Says who?
Dick Stuart trade all over. Big bat, no glove, miserable in the clubhouse. Same move. Just like 60 years ago.
Who can forget Dr. Strangeglove?
Absolutely terrible trade for the Red Sox…… FREAKING TERRIBLE
Just my routine nightly click on the MLBTR tab. Wasn’t expecting my eyes to POP out of my head.
One of the best trades in Giants history! Hicks is bad and has a big contract. Tibbs is struggling in the minors. Harrison could very well be All-Star caliber someday, he’s flashed brilliance, but someday may never come. Buster timed this perfectly – during the Dodger series national broadcast. This is a big statement to the overrated Dodger$ and Pads.
Has Devers ever played 2nd base? Could he do it? That would be the best fit once Chappy returns.
Great going, Buster!!!!
No way devers could play 2B. He can’t even really handle 3B. He’s not great at moving to cover, and, is an error machine.
Keep him as a DH where he can only help, not hurt
The other thing of note here is that it’s Busters first human for human trade. It’s a bit like losing your virginity with Mrs Verlander.
People saying this is worse than Betts need their head examined. The Red Sox are getting off a $250M DH who they only signed due to media pressure.
Gerrit Cole is happy to see him out of the AL. Less homeruns will be hit against him.
after watching the Sox sweep the Yankees, seeing the Red Sox shoot themselves in the foot with a bazooka soothes the pain.
Bombers have Tampa Bay and Toronto breathing down their neck, then the BoSox who are now on the bubble. Can’t overreact like The Boss did back in the days of The Bronx Zoo.
I’m speechless… but I am not against this move. Devers wasn’t stepping up when we needed him to play the field
The Red Sox like what they are getting from Romy Gonzalez and Abraham Toro, more at bats for Rob Refsnyder, Yoshida returning to the lineup, but there is no replacing Devers production — he was hitting .275/.400/.500 on the season — Boston gets back the payroll flexibility — getting out from under the long term money opens up a lot of avenues, primarily a long term extension for Bregman.
To get anything at all in return is somewhat of a coup, and the Red Sox got two promising prospects in Harrison and Tibbs, and a decent bullpen arm. I think they are still competitive after the trade, I wouldn’t be surprised if they pull a Boston underdog story out of their wazzoos – Roman Anthony is no Rafael Devers. Abraham Toro isn’t Rafael Devers either, but they still have a decent lineup, decent starting pitching and the bullpen has been a strength.
the return is hella light. Just Harrison and Hicks, who both mostly suck, and and a couple unheralded prospects? looks like a buster fleecing to me
Giants taking a contract that will hurt their pocketbook and limit other signings for many years. All for a player that refuses to be a first baseman. He’s just a DH. Only thing that was in their favor was getting rid of Hicks. Sure Devers is a top bat. But they are paying for a top bat that comes with a glove and speed.
The trade kinda hurts. I understand why, but I don’t get the timing at all. Lose the $300m contract that won’t age well, but do it while we’re actually winning? I just don’t know how to feel overall.
I’m not convinced it won’t age well. He’s only signed till age 36. For a pure DH that should still be a productive window
Hugely unlikely in today’s fast, faster, fastest game.
How many players are there in their mid30s worth a lineup slot, let alone $32m a year, even expanding the pool from DH to DH-1B-LF, especially players who were only 3-4 bWAR players at their peak? (Which rules out someone like Freddie, who was significantly better than Devers at Freddie’s best.)
Sox are 1 game over .500, they’re not exactly lighting the world on fire. If the Deadline was today, they probably would be sellers. I think they got some decent young players back, with some good ceilings.
As i said in my post, we got a lot more back then Marlins did for Stanton couple young pitchers and the Giants number 4 prospect James Tibbs. Too bad he’s a lefty tho, it just figures, any good player they get is left handed lol..
Well, the Sox got two young pitchers and the number 4 overall prospect from the Giants to unload that big contract. All things considered, if the Sox had waited and it had gotten out he was on the block, the return could’ve been much worse.
Consider what the Marlins got for Stanton and this trade looks like a semi win for Boston.
Red Sox have to pay Hicks contract though which is $12.5mil through 2028. Not exactly cheap
12 is a lot cheaper than 30, Plus they got rid of a guy who is causing turmoil in the clubhouse. That alone is worth the 12.
But, if he turns it around, he could possibly be flipped at the deadline, never know, sometimes guys just need a new team and things turn around, it did for Pivetta at least for a little while.
Interesting thought. I had the same one, might be Giants flip him before next season ends. By then Bryce Eldridge will be ready and that gives team 1st-2nd-3rd+SS for the long haul.
BUT, for this season, they need a bat.
I meant that Hicks could be flipped not Devers! That is of course, if she shows somethin in the next few weeks of course.
Okay,
Particularly if the Sox had waited until his bat inevitably regresses.
Don’t forget Stanton dictated he’d only accept a trade to the Yankees due to his trade protection.
That severely depressed the return to MIA, making it a poor comp for anything.
I predict the Red Sox clubhouse vibe is going to get appreciably better. Dever’s attitude had to be having an effect.
I bet the Red Sox make the playoffs.
@warnbeeb
I believe you are 100% correct on the team chemistry, not sure about them making the playoffs but time will tell.
In 2 years when his weight balloons out of control this will be a reverse Pablo Sandoval contract. Can’t wait
There goes team chemistry just to finish in third place.
Ha ha. Bet you had to think hard on this one, Darren. Pretty sure Buster might be across the whole team chemistry thing.
Apparently there is crying in baseball. If I’m Boston I’m happy to shed the salary and get a me first distraction out of the clubhouse.
Are you dumb, the salary means NOTHING in the large scheme of things.
Wait.
What?
Boy, did I NOT call this one, particularly not the absurdity of the Giants dealing away significant talent and receiving no money for the 3-4 win DH.
The Soto and Guerrero contracts appear to have team owners and FOs terrified of the future cost of good players.
As a Sox fan this is a win for both teams here. Starting with SF, Buster Posey finally got the Giants the power bat that has eluded them through free agency for the past 4 off seasons. For BOS they shed what had become a cancer (yes, I am sure that much more will come out on this, and YES this is a situation the team created), they shed a massive amount of money off the books for a guy who only DH’s now and is a mediocre 3rd baseman at best. The kids are all here and the team is hot right now. Bregman is by far a much better player than Devers and teammate as well. This gives the front office a ton of room to go out and get some real fire power to go chase the Yankees down. They’ve taken 5/6 from them including a sweep, are 7-2 in there last 9 and have been winning series. This team is taking a turn during a youth movement. Breslow really needs to go get them something to push them over. Good veteran teammates with playoff experience, good clubhouse guys. And they should absolutely waste no time now that the drama has left for SF……sign bregman long term and get rid of the opt outs. Again, this is a win on both sides.
I would like to thank the Los Angeles Dodgers for just ruining baseball and ensure a very long lock out after next season.
stick to soccer
I’m so proud of Boston to get rid of the clubhouse cancer but at the same time addressing some positional issues that they have.
Wait Bryce wasn’t included???? Tibbs maybe be a starter in a few years ..Harrison is a nice end of the Rotation arm
Stadium in San Francisco is not a Homer park friendly. Good luck lol
Well Yankees fan should be happy and sad, happy the Yankee killer is no more, and the sad part is Yankees are still looking for a 3rd baseman.
this is quite the salary dump.
to me, this trade feels like the Nomar trade in ’04- Nomar was unhappy. Devers was unhappy, and a bold move needed to be made in both cases. by many accounts, Devers wanted out and the Sox wanted Devers gone. both sides win, though the timing is weird, considering the team is playing its best baseball of the season right now. Devers finishes his time in Boston mashing a home run. Sell high. save a lot of money.
It will be interesting to see how the Sox try to spend the saved money going forward, as free agents are going to be harder to attract after this fiasco.
In the last few seasons- Betts- traded for very little in return-. only Wong remains. Bogaerts- gone. Sale- traded for next to nothing.
Now the Sox trade their franchise player for what on paper seems to be not much in return- except the saved money.
It’s safe to assume that Chapman will be gone after the season if not sooner, Bregman likely will be gone. The youth movement is in full swing.
There’s a lot of work ahead to move the franchise forward. will this trade be a colossal bust? or a way forward? only time will tell.
I’m sure I speak for all Padre fans when I say the Red Sox are more than welcome to take Bogaerts back.
Don’t call it next to nothing. Harrison has a huge upside and Tibbs was highly anticipated in the Giants organization and Bello has strong potential. Hicks doesn’t hurt anything. It could well be Sox come out ahead on this one.
baytown- fair point. I should have worded that part differently. I’m fine with the move personally- Devers needed to go and the team now has some financial flexibility because of the move- but I think for many Red Sox fans, the return will be seen as underwhelming given how much Devers makes.
i like Harrison a lot, Hicks will help a tired bullpen and maybe be a closer, and you’re right about Tibbs. I don’t profess to know the Giants minor league system, so I’ll take your word on Bello.
Could be a win/win for all- I hope it turns out that way.
With Hicks included, the Red Sox have approx 10M extra this year, 20M extra the next 2 seasons. And 5/150M after that. Might not be money they immediately replace. But helps a ton in the longterm. Gives them a chance to see what they have in their young core though before the deadline.
Good move for the Red Sox. I hope the Giants don’t regret it. Buster Posey is keeping it lively in SF.
Devers was way better than nomar at the time, way younger, and meant way more to the team at the current moment of the trade
stathead.com/baseball/versus-finder.cgi?request=1&…
Devers 28, Nomar traded at 29. Stats speak for themselves.
Doesn’t make sense. Sure Giants are desperate for a bat but their whole team is based on ‘team chemistry’ and he ain’t gonna play 3rd with big contract Chapman there, so, will he be a good boy or not?
Gotta imagine they talked to devers or his management to figure out how he felt about fitting in with the team. Don’t think they would make the move knowing the issues he dealt with in Boston without figuring those out first.
Fingers crossed. Maybe someone in the Giants’ organization knows him personally.
Willy Adames is friends with Devers, whatever that’s worth, and on the other side andrew bailey (ex sfg pitching coach) is the current boston pitching coach, so some familiarity on both sides
How do you know Adames and Devers are friends? It’s not like Milwaukee and Boston are next door to each other or in the same league.
FWIW Willy Adames and Rafael Devers were teammates on the Dominican Republic team in the World Baseball Classic:
mlb.com/world-baseball-classic/roster/dominican-re…
Chances are that he is right. They really could be friends. Both are from the Dominican Republic not far from each other. Only a year apart in age. Both play on the same side of the field. To say 2 guys aren’t friends because they haven’t played together in the majors are the same league is a little foolish. Ofcourse they have played against each other in the majors and Dominican winter league.
Adames is friends with everyone. He is that guy.
Great deal for the Giants
– they get one of the best hitters in the game
– they give up meaningful assets without damaging the current roster or farm system
Good deal for the Red Sox
– they needed go trade him sooner than later and a trade was inevitable anyway whether he formally requested it or not
– they reinforce their pitching depth which has been decimated and add solid young pieces for the future
Advantage Red Sox. Devers is expensive clubhouse cancer. I bet they’re secretly ecstatic they got rid of him.
I’m so happy for the Red Sox clubhouse
Not a fan of either but Boston got fleeced
Lots of long-term money for a guy that was just outed himself as a pretty selfish clubhouse cancer. Posey had some mojo going with his team, just wondering if that all comes crashing down the first time Devers needs a diaper change…
Who’s on 1st?
Big win for Boston. They get rid of an unhappy player and his big contract and get 4 players in return. Their clubhouse gets rid of the stress he was causing. I expect the Red Sox to have a much better season now. The Giants get an excellent hitter but a poor fielder if they can get him to play on the field. They also get this huge salary to pay and have to put up with his huge ego. Now if he would change his attitude and be willing to do as the Giants ask then it could work our for both teams. For now time will tell but I expect Boston to be the real winner here.
Trading for Devers is the biggest player acquired by the SFGs since Barry Bonds in ’93.
Bonds came in with a chip on his shoulder as well but, the current team needs a bat if they want to vie for post season play! It will be interesting to see where he plays besides DH.
And Bochy didn’t like Barry. Note, they started their WS runs AFTER Bonds was gone. Lot more mellow these days but not then.
Do you think he will switch positions if they ask now?
Absolutely not. Although it would help the team, it could hurt his hitting if he has to focus on learning an entire new position in his prime.
DH is the only thing he can do. He is a liability everywhere else.
He’d probably be decent at 1B. Why he’s so opposed to playing there is so strange.
Figured it was just a matter of time. He has been banging heads with the front office since winter meetings.
I like it for both teams. SF won’t miss Hicks’ contract, but his splits indicate that he might be a terrific BP for us.
Harrison still looks like a #3 to me. Both prospects look legit.
And Devers will do some damage for SF. That was a lot for SF to give up, but that type of bat in the middle of the lineup is important.
Now, where are all the haters that said Devers was overpaid?
And getting that big, highly paid middle of the lineup bat via free agency was proving problematic for the Giants. Close the book on that storyline and move forward. Tis good.
It is always the player in Boston who is the problem, never the imbeciles that run the team. So far our two non Christian Baseball Ops people Chaim Bloom and Craig Breslow have traded Future Hall of Fame Players for Garbage. Betts and now Devers. The top player Tibbs is hitting .245 in Singe A and Harrison has struggled this year with an ERA close to 5.00. Hicks has struggled as well and Bello is not considered a top pitching prospect. Breslow could not even get an established major league player for one of the top hitters in the American League. Another year wasted in Boston after sweeping the Yankees this weekend too.
” So far our two non Christian Baseball Ops people Chaim Bloom and Craig Breslow”
What has their religion got to do with anything ?
Could be a Yay fan
Devers is the Antichrist.
KUDOS to the Sox for dumping a rotten contract, and with Bregman maybe opting out they have a chance to start fresh next year.
This was all boiling up since Spring Training but I did not expect to see a trade in the middle of June. Devers will be an upgrade as a power-hitting DH, Chapman has 3B in the bag, and Red Sox get some pitching. Win-win for both teams.
Great trade for Boston. Get some really nice pieces while dropping a contract that Breslow didn’t hand out. Gives him the ability to shape the team his way which is a big deal even if Devers continues to rake.
SF uses their Shohei earmarked money to add Adames and now Devers. While only giving away spare parts (from their perspective). I think the Giants made one of the worst moves in franchise history, but a lot to be happy about right now for their fans.
I’m stunned that’s all the Sox got for this guy. I’m a Yankees fan, but this guy was one of the better lefty hitters in the AL. Glad to see him go…..but damn, Cashman could have given up a lot more! haha
Let’s go!!
Now we know Devers held a grudge getting moved off 3rd. When they went to visit him on the road after Casas that must have been the last straw with his attitude Now that they have another batch of kids coming up they decided to move him.
1) If they didn’t tell him before they signed Bregman then the Red Sod brought this on themselves.
2) The Giants got shot down by Ohtani and Soto. They wanted that big bat and had the money. I suspect it was the only team that would eat the entire contract and at least give up two decent young guys.
It’s a great deal for the Giants, even if Devers plays first or DH. The Red Sox ruined themselves by not moving him before the season. I understand why they did this deal but they really pooched it up front.
You have it bass ackwards. Teams hold no obligation to inform players prior to signing another, better player. If Devers didn’t realize or didn’t care that he was hurting his team by playing defense at 3B, then that is all on him. He was being paid to play wherever the Red Sox told him to play.
Everything that happened was on his shoulders, no one else.
A $31 million AAV for a DH is never a good deal. This is one of those contracts that will age very badly.
Well all these years of following sports.. I would hear… you can’t fire the players…. Quite obviously if your Henry/ CB / or AC you can….
Interesting that after the big contracts to Chapman and Adames they still had the payroll space to add Devers’ contract. Giants finally acting like a big market team. And the core of the roster is stable for the near future.
Sad to see Harry go and wish him and Hicks the best. The need for an impact bat was clear. Kudos to Posey and Co. for not waiting and making a decisive move.
The ironic part is Devers is going from one team with a superior defensive Third Baseman to another team with a superior defensive Third Baseman. The caveat is Bregman can opt out after this season but Chapman can’t, so is it a better situation for Devers or worse?
I Imagined there would be a Ton! Of Comments. I was not Wrong !!!
Definitely has Jeff Kent Vibes to this one. And I know Sabean has been in the wings with Posey to a degree. What a find and catch by the G’s.
Devers is HOF Bound to say the least. And a left handed power hitter is exactly what this team needs right now makeup wise – With Ramos and Chapman, Adames, and Flores even too.
Lee hopefully will Stay! at the leadoff spot as he should have all year. Ramos 2. Devers 3. Chapman 4. Flores 5 Adames 6.
Yaz hitting helps a lot. The 3 new guys have helped too, The bench, vibe, experience.
Looking for a Starter. Is it Verlander ? Probably not at this point but you never know he could go on a run here. But Wisenhunt will get the call soon over Harrison traded. That’s the future.
– So exited I saw the headline in a restaurant and jumped up out of my chair in the middle of early dinner when I saw in shock, checking the score. People were looking over and I told them too.
I’ll be bringing my son to a game soon, 3 years old to watch Devers mash.
– The Bullpen is World series worthy. Starters are 60/40 right now. Need one more killer. And the offense should be 3/4 of the way there with maybe a few more upgrades later in the outfield.
Bravo Posey. Bravo !!!!! Go Giants.
The Red Sox just jettisoned a bad apple and got very little in return other than salary relief. I have to believe that their goal was just dumping Devers regardless of the return as long as the team he was going to agreed to eat all of the $255 million in salary he is owed.
Devers has been hitting poorly for about a month now. The past month he is hitting .247. Since a double header against the Orioles on May 24th he is hitting just .194. Since the end of the Angels series, Devers hit just .182 in 9 games against division foes Yankees and Rays. With the worst defensive skills in baseball at 3B, unless he is hitting Devers has no value.