In a shocking mid-June blockbuster, the Giants have acquired star slugger Rafael Devers from the Red Sox in exchange for right-hander Jordan Hicks, left-hander Kyle Harrison, outfield/first base prospect James Tibbs and right-handed pitching prospect Jose Bello. The teams subsequently announced the trade, and the Red Sox optioned Harrison to Triple-A Worcester. The Giants will absorb the remainder of Devers’s contract in its entirety as part of the deal.
It’s a stunning move that will have massive implications for both franchises as they both pursue their first playoff appearances since 2021 this year. The Red Sox, 37-36 after sweeping the division-leading Yankees this weekend, part with a player they signed to be the next face of their franchise just two years ago. The relationship between the two sides broke down quite publicly over the past few months, however. Devers has long made clear that he wants to play third base on a regular basis, but the Red Sox clearly had other plans this offseason as they sought to add a big right-handed bat to their lineup. After discussing a deal that would’ve sent Nolan Arenado to Boston with the Cardinals earlier in the winter, they ultimately pivoted and signed Alex Bregman to a three-year, $120MM pact that affords him the opportunity to opt out following the 2025 and ’26 seasons.
That proved to be the end of Devers’ time at third base, and though he initially resisted the move he eventually took up his new role as Boston’s regular DH. That seemed to settle the controversy at first despite reports that indicated Devers considered asking for a trade after the Bregman deal, but tensions erupted once again when Triston Casas was sidelined by knee surgery that will likely end his 2025 season. At that time, Chief Baseball Officer Craig Breslow asked Devers to move to first base to cover for the loss of Casas, a move that would have opened up DH at-bats for another player such as top prospect Roman Anthony. Devers refused and expressed frustration with team leadership for asking him to move to an unfamiliar position in the middle of the season, ultimately leading to a private meeting between Devers, manager Alex Cora, and club owner John Henry last month.
Since then, neither Devers nor Red Sox brass have spoken to the media about the situation beyond to affirm that Devers would remain the club’s DH going forward. That’s remained the case even in the weeks since Bregman went down with a significant quad strain that figures to sideline him until late July at the earliest. The discord between the sides over the past few months surely served as a catalyst for today’s shocking blockbuster from Boston’s perspective. Although Chris Cotillo of MassLive reports that Devers did not ultimately request a trade, Jon Heyman of the New York Post writes that the slugger is said by friends to be pleased with the change of scenery. For a club that’s under-performing expectations this year but remains on the periphery of the AL Wild Card race, moving on from a star player who was clearly unhappy could serve to improve morale going forward.
Of course, there are plenty of on-the-field justifications for making this trade as well. Boston is in dire need of pitching help, and the additions of Harrison and Hicks will go a long way to patching those holes. The two hurlers have pitched both out of the rotation and in relief this year as dictated by the needs of San Francisco, so it’s not entirely clear which roles they will take up now that they’re headed to Boston. Harrison, 24 in August, projects as a starter long-term and has a 4.91 ERA with a 4.22 FIP across four starts in the majors this year. Hicks, meanwhile, spent most of his career as a reliever in St. Louis before signing with the Giants as a starter in free agency. His time with the Giants has been fairly mixed as he’s bounced between the rotation and bullpen, and this year he has a 6.47 ERA across 48 2/3 innings of work despite fantastic peripherals including a 3.59 FIP.
Regardless of what roles those arms end up playing for the Red Sox, it could be a considerable boost to a Boston pitching staff that has struggled to find much stability outside of southpaws Garrett Crochet and Aroldis Chapman this year. Hicks could fill the role of right-handed, late-inning complement to Chapman that the Red Sox were rumored to be seeking over the winter before settling for a combination of Liam Hendriks and Justin Slaten (both of whom are presently on the injured list) to support Chapman. Harrison, meanwhile, is headed to Triple-A in the short-term but is a high-upside depth option who Boston could turn to if anyone in their current rotation mix gets injured or begins to struggle.
While neither is likely to help the Red Sox in 2025, the value of the two prospects in the deal cannot be ignored either. Tibbs, 22, was San Francisco’s first-round pick in last year’s draft and has looked excellent at the High-A level this year with a .245/.377/.480 slash line that features nearly as many walks as strikeouts. Ranked as San Francisco’s #4 prospect prior to the trade according to MLB Pipeline, Tibbs has above-average hit and power tools and was lauded for his swing decisions at Florida State, where he slashed a comical .363/.488/.777 in 66 games last year. As for Bello, the 20-year-old is unranked at MLB Pipeline after making just one stateside appearance last year but signed with the Giants out of the Dominican Republic prior to the 2023 season and has struck out an eye-popping 41.8% of his opponents across 18 innings in rookie ball this year. The pair should be a major infusion of high-upside talent for a system that has been depleted over the past few months by the Crochet trade and the graduations of Anthony, Kristian Campbell, and Marcelo Mayer to the big leagues.
For the Giants, acquiring Devers is a franchise-altering decision that doubles as a major vote of confidence in a 41-30 ballclub that has exceeded all preseason expectations to this point. A career .279/.349/.509 hitter who’s still just 28 years old, Devers is an elite hitter who’s still in his prime. This year’s move to a full-time DH may even be bringing out the best in the slugger, as he’s posting a career best 145 wRC+ so far despite a deep slump earlier in the season after spending most of Spring Training working his way back from a shoulder injury. Since May 1, Devers has posted an even better 170 wRC+. That makes him the eighth-best hitter in the entire sport since that date, and it goes without saying that sort of offensive production could be transformational for a San Francisco team that ranks 20th in the majors this year with a 95 wRC+.
Adding a bat of that caliber to a somewhat middling offense is virtually a no-brainer for San Francisco, particularly when the acquisition cost is a pair of prospects still far from the majors and two pitchers who have posted below-average results this year. Harrison and Hicks, valuable as they could be in the future, were ultimately luxury items for a Giants pitching staff that currently ranks as the third-best in baseball by ERA and should receive reinforcements in the relatively near future when Justin Verlander returns from the injured list. Arguably, the most substantial cost of the trade from San Francisco’s perspective is the financial burden they’re assuming in the deal. Cot’s Baseball Contracts notes that Devers is due to a $2MM assignment bonus from the Giants, though that’s obviously a drop in the bucket compared to the roughly $250MM the 28-year-old is owed across the eight-and-a-half years remaining on his contract, which is set to expire following the 2033 season. A portion of that money is deferred beyond the lifetime of the contract, but it’s still a massive financial burden for the Giants to take on going forward.
That financial outlay will leave plenty of pressure on Devers’s bat to remain among the best in the league going forward, particularly given that he’s unlikely to return to his old stomping grounds of third base in the long-term. Incumbent third baseman Matt Chapman is currently on the injured list due to a sprained right hand that’s expected to sideline him for at least a few weeks, but as one of the sport’s best defenders at the hot corner it’s difficult to see Devers getting any more than occasional time at his longtime position once Chapman is back in the lineup. First base is relatively open for the time being, but between Devers’s known reluctance to learn the position on the fly and the looming presence of top prospect Bryce Eldridge at Triple-A it’s hard to see him making a home for himself at that position in San Francisco, either.
Even if Devers seems ticketed to spend the next eight-plus years as a pricey DH for the Giants, it’s difficult to criticize the move from San Francisco’s perspective. After all, the organization’s difficulties wooing offensive talents are well-documented. Failed attempts to court players like Giancarlo Stanton, Bryce Harper, Carlos Correa, and Aaron Judge to the city over the past decade have created a reputation surrounding the club that they struggle to attract top offensive talents, and while recent deals for Chapman and Willy Adames have helped to put that narrative to bed somewhat it’s still understandable that president of baseball operations Buster Posey would turn to the trade market to land a middle-of-the-order force rather than pursue a top free agent and risk coming up empty. That’s especially true given that Devers’s contract looks fairly reasonable compared to some more recent deals, even for a player with limited defensive value. Setting aside Juan Soto’s $765MM megadeal with the Mets from this past winter, even Vladimir Guerrero Jr.’s 14-year, $500MM contract extension with the Blue Jays earlier this season makes Devers’s deal look like a steal by comparison.
With Devers presumably settling into a DH role for the Giants, that leaves some combination of Wilmer Flores, Dominic Smith, and Jerar Encarnacion to handle first base for San Francisco going forward. Flores had been acting as the club’s everyday DH this year with Smith and Encarnacion in a platoon at first base, but Flores has plenty of experience at first himself and the Giants are unlikely to be interested in dropping his 112 wRC+ bat from their lineup. As for the Red Sox, it’s unclear how they will replace Devers in their lineup in the short-term. The eventual return of Wilyer Abreu from an oblique strain should allow them to move Anthony to DH in Devers’s place, but it’s at least theoretically possible the club could turn to Masataka Yoshida to fill the short-term gap. Yoshida has spent the entire season on the injured list as he recovers from shoulder surgery that has not impacted his ability to hit but has left him unable to throw. That made him a tough fit for a Red Sox lineup that had Devers entrenched at DH, but perhaps the star’s departure could open the door for Yoshida to return earlier than previously expected.
Robert Murray of FanSided first reported that Devers had been traded to San Francisco, as well as the inclusion of Hicks and Harrison in the deal. Julian McWilliams of CBS Sports reported that two minor leaguers would be headed to Boston alongside Hicks and Harrsion, as well as that the Giants would take on Devers’s contract. Murray later identified those as Tibbs and Bello. Hunter Noll of Beyond The Monster first reported that Harrison was being optioned to Triple-A.
No way!!!
Fuuuuuuuugggghhh!
One of the more shocking deals in the history of this site
thegreat – Why?
Look back at my postings ever since ST, I wrote numerous times the relationship was damaged beyond repair and a trade was not only inevitable but would be best for all parties.
Devers didn’t want to play for a manager and front office and ownership that did him dirty, can’t blame him for that.
And to the people who said “release him” and “Sox would have to eat most of his contract in a trade” I said at the time that was total crap, and this trade proves it.
The Red Sox didn’t appreciate, value or respect Devers …. now he’s on a team that does. I wish him well.
At least this *should* finally allow Yoshida to return to DH, and he will be a huge help for the team …. although obviously not as much as Raffy was.
Fever – timing
Not sure if I’m happy for, or feel bad for the giants
Exactly. Not a shock he was traded.
A shock he was traded NOW. Like Debbie Gibson sang, this was out of the blue.
The Red Sox were paying Devers over 300m. They didn’t “do him dirty”, in any way. Signing Bregman, made the Red Sox a better team, and Devers should have done what was best for the team and accepted the move to dh. The injury to Casas, changed everything. The Red Sox needed Devers to try moving to first base this year. Again, that would have been in the Red Sox best interests. Devers put his ego ahead of the team, and this is the result!! As good a hitter as he is, the Red Sox did what they needed to do.
Yoshida is not even close to justifying this. He’s not that good, they were desperate in trying to trade him and nobody offered
It really is.
horace – Why is it there’s almost never trade rumors here before the trades actually happen?
But sure, let’s all wait for that Duran to SD trade to happen. LOL!!
vt – That’s fair, trades rarely happen in June.
Maybe they wanted to wait until after the 6 games against NYY, which makes sense.
BTW – His last hit with the Red Sox was a homerun off Fried that was also his 500th career extra-base hit. Quite an impressive way to go out.
Fever—Spot on. I have never been a Devers fan, but the way the Sox treated him was disgusting. The only thing left now is for the organization to trash him just like they have done to others, including Terry Francona. This is a good move for both sides.
That’s the trade I was fine with and prepping for. This is the opposite
Well, I guess they finally listened to you, Fever. I bet they won’t make that mistake again.
After the incident in the dugout on Tuesday I am just surprised it took this long. Good riddance.
When you look at the return Breslow got, you can tell he and Henry felt the same way. Get that clubhouse cancer out of town on the first possible plane.
It really wasn’t. If his defensive numbers weren’t as bad as they were maybe, but please. Both sides could have handled it better. Thanks to Raffy, but time to move on for both.
You have that backwards. The way Devers treated the team and his teammates was disgusting. If I was GM he wouldn’t have made the opening day squad for the Red Sox.
No one is justifying the trade with yoshida, but it is likely he has a role again eventually. Devers needed to go, just surprised it wasn’t during the off season. He must’ve been making things uncomfortable in the clubhouse. I bet other players weren’t happy with him either.
FPG- I’m distraught.
Now John Henry can have the Tampa Rays North team he always wanted….
history – You’re not informed about the situation, I’ll leave it at that.
Every single member of the media, every analyst, everybody who knows the chain of events, has strongly stated he was done dirty.
I personally included links to very detailed articles about the chain of events.
The only difference is some of them believed he should simply “get over it” and bow down to management.
Sad – As you know I like Devers, but this is for the best.
Irreconcilable differences.
It isn’t about management. It was about the best interests of the team. Devers put his ego ahead of the manager, and his teammates. It happens all the time, a player is traded for/free agent, or an injury. That changes the dynamics of the team. Adjustments are made, ( don’t have to like it, just do it), and you go forward. Devers chose to put his “hurt feelings”, above the best interests of his team. He had to go, and he did!!
Fenway – They are getting absolutely nothing from their $19M/yr investment in Yoshida as long as he’s not on the active roster.
At the very least, this allows him to rebuild his trade value prior to the deadline.
Nobody offered during the offseason because he was injured, just coming off surgery. Can you blame them?
What was the incident in the dugout?
“Debbie Gibson is pregnant with my two-headed love child.” – Mojo Nixon
He wasn’t a cancer in the clubhouse, he had a personal feud with Breslow. Not with anybody else.
Sybau
What was the incident in the dugout?
“Done dirty.” You keep using these words. I don’t think they mean what you think they mean. He was making over $30 million dollars a year to do what management thought was best for the team. He should have said he would do whatever he was asked to do to win baseball games, cash his checks and say thank you. He is a great hitter as long as he doesn’t swing at a fastball up in the zone at 94+ MPH and a bad 3rd baseman. The Red Sox are not done and now have the payroll flexibility and a reinforced minor league system to make a run at the Yankees this year and add another SP to an extended contract for the future. I also don’t think this was a bad deal in terms of the Red Sox return in players.
“Doing him dirty” would be making him change positions BEFORE he got a contract. Giving him $300 million is certainly not doing him dirty.
Fenway – Much of that “feud” was Cora’s doing.
For instance, Cora is the manager ….. why did he insist on Breslow being the one to ask Raffy to play first base? Talk about setting a guy (Breslow) up!
And remember it was Cora who pushed for the Bregman signing and insisted he would likely play 2B, only to go back on his word. Breslow was very wary about signing Bregman.
It was classic Cora, telling Raffy “I had nothing to do with any of this, it was all Breslow” …… just like when Cora threw Bloom under the bus.
It’s what Cora does, it’s why he’s referred to as a snake.
The irony is breslow is the one guy he shouldn’t have a feud with.
I can guarantee breslow knew nothing before signing bregman about any verbal promises bloom made that weren’t in the contract ahead of time. That’s not the sort of thing you brief anyone on.
New – Devers was repeatedly lied to, he was repeatedly given assurances that were 100% crap. That is fact, and that is the definition of being done dirty.
There never should have had to have been “assurances” in the first place. Once he got that contract he should have been willing to play wherever they ask him to with a smile on his face. Imagine getting mad when your boss says “we’re gonna give you an easier job but we’re still gonna pay you the same.”
A great trade for the Giants, though both Harrison and Tibbs will ultimately help Boston, a value for value deal that makes sense for both teams. I applaud Buster Posey for having the cojones to make this deal, and to Giants ownership for approving it.
It was the third ask of Devers to change position AGAIN that somewhat softens the criticism of Devers—maybe not for Red Sox fans, but understandable for a player of Devers worth.
Tang – What you said about Devers is 100% false.
It’s been very calm and peaceful since the series in KC, the players were asked what effect if any it had in the clubhouse and they all said they simply don’t care and they’ve got Raffy’s back.
When one person here tries to support their view of a player by using the “everybody hates him” tactic , it’s rather pathetic … especially after Middlebrooks and others were told the exact opposite by Raffy’s teammates.
Like Debbie Gibson sang, this was out of the blue.
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Neil Young
any verbal promises
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There are no guarantees at that level. There are no guarantees at my level, at a tiny fraction of Devers’ salary.
ELO
Yoshida isn’t going to be helping this team. They’re better off giving everyday at bats to their hot prospects Campbell, Mayer, and Anthony. Heck, Toro is better than Yoshida.
Per Peter Abraham
@peteabeglobe.bsky.social
Per Red Sox sources: the team’s feeling was that a $313.5M contract comes with responsibilities to do what is right for the team and that Devers did not live up to those responsibilities.
What player is going to say yeah he’s a d***. If course they are going to say that to the media. I guarantee you players were bothered but they know better than to alienate a teammate.
The squeaky wheel gets the grease.
Imagine said job making a commitment in you and presumably saying he was the 3B of their future. You don’t pay 300M for a DH (unless you are Cohen…). I get it is a lot of money, but players on his level care more about pride/respect than money…and they care a lot about money.
Imagine taking pride in being the worst defensive 3B in the league? If he can’t admit that changing positions would help the team win more games then he’s delusional. His pride should be in winning.
Responsibilities? Doesn’t the team have a responsibility to not dick around their star player? You’re our starting 3rd basemen, oops, sorry you’re now out full time DH and you NOT be playing 3rd base even if there is an injury to Bergman. Oh btw, now that the season has started can you now try to play 1st Base? I can see why he was upset.
Fever, the contract sucks long term but I did not see this coming regardless of the drama. I can’t comment on the return but the idea here seems like it was financially motivated as much as it was to improve the club. Where they spend the money be it on the Sox or elsewhere within the conglomerate will be telling.
Agreed
This is a player who thought only of himself. He could learn to play 1B.
Good riddance
If I remember, Yoshida was a beast his first year when he was healthy.
@baseball history
He will be in the same situation in SF as he was in Boston. He won’t play 3B. They will want him to play 1B. He will be their DH. I sure hope Posey talked with him before making the trade. Are the SFG now doing him wrong?
Yoshida was a beast the first half of his first year, then he fell apart in the second.
All-I completely understand the frustration the team had, but I don’t think anyone they currently have on the roster is going to make up for the loss of offense that comes with trading Devers. Not sure that any of the players we received will have a significant impact on the team. I hope it all works out, but they will need to have someone step it up on offense to continue to win these low scoring games.
Actually, Japanese media feels they have been doing Yoshida dirty too. As Japanese players have sort of a brotherhood, future players looking to go to the MLB would probably choose not to sign with the Red Sox.
Fever- I am not sure that this was the right move. With all the issues with Devers, he was still our top offensive threat and we keep having low scoring games. I had been saying how desperately we need good pitching, but our pitchers have turned things around lately and I am not sure that either of these new pitchers are going to have a real impact. Who is going to make up for the loss of offense now? I will be very curious to see how this all plays out. If they really want to be competitive, they need to make additional moves before the trade deadline.
fred – Without giving up much, the Giants finally got the star hitter they’ve been seeking and are now firmly among the World Series favorites.
And they did it by acquiring a player in his 20’s whose contract ends at Age 36.
I haven’t seen even one person say this was a bad deal for the Giants.
Can you find even one reputable writer or analyst who is saying it’s bad for the Giants?
Chance – The only thing about the move is the return was light and it possibly torpedoed a postseason appearance this year.
But I’m not worked up about it because their top priority was getting rid of the contract and even Breslow made comments indicating a postseason appearance was not likely this year.
Ownership said all along they wouldn’t try to win until 2026 at the earliest, this move lines up with that timeline. Play the kids, get them the experience they need, then spend a little this coming offseason. Time will tell.
I agree that Devers was gone before next season, but the return is pretty bad. I know the Giants are eating his contract, but still. The timing and return look terrible. For a franchise that has a very bad rep amongst players and league wide after a couple of decades of boosting it to its greatest height, it just looks like a rock bottom move. No one is going to convince me this was the best return available in the league for the best hitter on the team. or that waiting for more teams closer to the deadline wasn’t feasible.
I punted on this season before spring training due to SO MANY issues with the roster. I knew they weren’t a playoff team, but this is insulting for any fan that had delusions this team had a shot this year.
Conclusion. For a team that lacked nearly everything, the only bright spot was that (once in a while) they hit. Much of that hitting has been Devers. If you think we were top heavy before this trade in the lineup enjoy watching the bottom of the lineup start in the 4 hole.
Nothing short of an all-out blitz in the trade market and free agency this off season to build a solid rotation, bullpen, and lineup with power can rectify and win support back after the baffling trades and reliance on broken (“VERSATILE”) reclamation projects the Red Sox have built this new version of the Red Sox around. They are a boring and blatantly flawed team. Their wins are surprising, and their losses agonizing for the reasons why, but expected.
I watched the good teams, mediocre teams, and terrible teams in franchise history for over 50 years now. I have never been so bored and disgusted by the Red Sox rosters the last few years than even the worst of last places teams in the past. At least the Red Sox were known for mashing and would lose with lacrosse scores.
‘… if you don’t got Mojo Nixon then your store could use some fixin’…) – Dead Milkmen
Dave – Haha ….. this was planned by Sox management for a long time, all I did was refute those here who insisted “everything is fine, it will all blow over and Devers & the Red Sox will live together happily ever after”.
BTW – To the Sox credit, they’ve done a lot of “listening” to me recently …. signing Chapman, leaving in starting pitchers longer, advancing runners instead of swinging for the fences, etc.
Let’s hope it continues, the games are more enjoyable when they win.
Cthunder, I sit middle ground on this one.
I never understood his opposition to moving to DH when he already had gotten paid for many years. Had he not yet been paid, I’d get it because it’d have hurt his earnings. But, he had his money.
His opposition to the move to 1B I completely understand. You’re asking a guy to move positions mid season, to a position he’s never played; that’s not easy and could lead to an increased injury risk.
Tang – Dude, there’s a reason no other team has ever done what the Sox did to a player like Devers.
You think the players in that clubhouse support the arrogant management who did Devers dirty? Over their own brothers on the team and in the union? You’ve got a lot to learn about team dynamics my friend.
Word of advice, start caring about what happens to others. Because someday you’ll be done dirty too, and no brother is gonna support you if you’ve never supported any of them.
I love all of the preaching from a few on here. Poor little Devers, making $31M per year for a decade to play baseball. How dare they ask him to play another position?
Sure – the Sox probably are somewhat arrogant and muddled at the top and could have probably handled things better. But that does not take away from the reality that there are obligations to teammates and to fans to do what is best for the team without making it a big issue. And agreed, those teammates are not going to throw him under the bus publicly but there is certainly some dissension created.
I love some of the pretenders on here that go on and on about how Breslow is at fault, how Cora is at fault and how they know exactly what is going on behind the scenes when it is fairly clear that they probably don’t have a clue what is going on in their own homes.
Not a RS fan, but if I were one, I would be waving goodbye and good riddance to a spoiled and entitled Devers with a fair bit of relish.
Run – Well said!
It’s quite evident some people here have no concept of the word “respect”.
Devers was upset because he was lied to and promises were broken, even Cora acknowledged Devers was right.
Any man with even a shred of self-respect wouldn’t tolerate that crap.
noquarter – Is that why they recently gave him a $300M infielder contract and assured him 3B will be his for a long time?
Or do you actually think Devers was a great fielder before signing the extension?
dewey – As is often the case, perceptions can change over time.
Does the contract really suck now after looking at the contracts that have been given out since?
Vlad got half a billion, no deferrals, through Age 40, which comes to almost $36M annually.
Raffy is getting paid $29M annually after deferrals and only through his Age 36 season.
Vlad has a .842 OPS since 2022, Raffy has a .872 OPS during the same period.
Unless Raffy’s numbers start to tank, he’s actually a bargain at this point. Even moreso if he begins playing 1B.
Yes you are 100% correct, the return was light and the trade was financially motivated. It allows Yoshida to begin earning his $19M salary and rebuild his trade value.
Yes you are absolutely correct, how the money is now spent will be quite telling. It could go so many different ways ….
1) Re-sign Bregman to the 6-year deal he’s seeking?
2) Extend Roman, Mayer,etc?
3) Pocket the savings
It’s impossible to know how it all shakes out. Skubal should be a target if he doesn’t extend with the Tigers.
Carver, so you know what’s going on behind the scenes? Breslow fill you in at his BBQ over the weekend? Lol.
I love how just because a guy is making a lot of money, some people think he should just happily take whatever. I don’t know, in fact, how it was asked, nor why he had reservations. I can speculate; same as you. If he didn’t want to play 1B for whatever reason, that’s his right though. Parting of the ways was probably best for all parties involved.
oh you mean the management paying him a dump truck full of money? Devers is not a good teammate, period.
The money should have nothing to do with it. A podiatrist and a surgeon both make a lot of money, but a hospital shouldn’t ask a podiatrist to do surgeries.
They paid him for his bat. If he’s hitting, he’s doing what he was paid to do.
Uncle – Thankfully I can’t see to whom you’re replying, but clearly they have no concept of how valuable Raffy has been this season.
Since April 1st he’s 2nd in MLB for Walks, behind only Soto.
He’s 2nd in RBI behind Alonso.
He’s 3rd in wRC behind only Judge and Ohtani.
He’s 3rd in OBP behind only Judge and Crawford.
This move confirms Breslow’s comments about the Sox being longshots for the postseason, in fact he likely made those comments to prepare the fanbase for this trade.
It should be very interesting to see which lies will come out of management going forward. They said they don’t want Mayer or Anthony as the DH, and anyone who thinks Romy or Toro will both stay healthy and put up numbers similar to Raffy is delusional.
@appalachian – Actually AO, I don’t know what went on and imply that clearly by commenting upon those that are so sure that they do.
What fans like you don’t seem to grasp is that when a guy is in the show, your team and teammates come first, and then the fan base. Especially when they have already been paid and there is no risk of a contractual impact.
Devers had a right to be privately upset at a move off of 3rd, but to make it a public issue was childish when he was clearly a relatively woeful defensive 3B being replaced by a GG. And then to do the whole woe is me thing about being asked to train with a glove at first due to an unexpected need was a final straw from a maturity standpoint. I would have traded him as well.
These guys are not working at Home Depot or Wawa – and even there the expectation is that one takes care of the needs of the customer whenever possible before crying about working conditions. Devers is paid more in one season than most folks will make in ten lifetimes so, ya’ know, suck it up for a bit. Pick up a glove and try to play a reasonable 1B if that is what the team needs for heavens sake.
No offense AO, but the podiatrist vs. surgeon analogy to playing baseball is about as dumb as it gets.
Every season baseball players move down the food chain on defense as they age or younger and better versions appear. SS move to 3rd / 3B move to 1st / infielders to OF and so on. Somehow Devers must be really special to be immune from the realities of playing the game.
What happened Tuesday?
Of course he was a bad fielder. Everyone in baseball knew he was going to have to move to 1B or DH. And they paid him like a 3B anyway. So why does he need any kind of assurances that they won’t move him? It’s not affecting his earning power, they’re not asking him to play a more demanding position. You’re acting like they asked him to move to catcher.
Thank you. Not like they asked him to move to catcher. 3B to 1B is one of the most common position changes in the game. Literally almost every great hitting/bad fielding third baseman in the history of the game has made that move.
I think that was about the best return they could have gotten given the circumstances, his contract and his limited defensive ability. Solid deal for the Sox in my opinion.
Wouldn’t that be tampering if Posey talked to Devers before the trade?
Uncle: Agreed. Perhaps the Red Sox plan on spending for someone like Kyle Tucker.
I think it’s a two way street. Devers has been one of the worst defensive third basemen in MLB over several years. And never seemed to improve. That’s why the Bregman move, but also his numbers were down last year and he showed up to camp late do to so called shoulder issues, and when the team asked him to move to first he refused, he is not a team player. Third, when you sign a big contract like that, you’re expected to be a leader, not a trouble maker. Fourth, he is in his 9th year, next year he will have no trade rights, and with his weight issues becoming more and more obvious, it was time to pull the plug!
The squeaky wheel gets replaced
He may be wiling to do it here because those promises weren’t made by this team.
Yeah not shocking at all – I don’t hear anyone talking about it, they all must have read your posts since spring training lmao
Carver, nice rant!
Fever, more moves are likely coming with Aubrey, Yoshida and Bregman soon returning.
All, another lefty outfielder? I love Tucker but I don’t see it happening. Boston now becomes a safety net for free agents. If they get similar offers elsewhere, why sign to play in the Animal House?
Dewey: I think Tucker may replace Duran who I wouldn’t be surprised to see traded.
Doesn’t he owe the Sox of showing up in shape? Working harder to improve his abysmal defense? Helping out when a teammate goes down for the season? $300 million isn’t worth that? Shelling out $300 million is respect on its own in my world.
would you be motivated to learn 1B if you were not told you are being replaced after being given assurances of being the 3B guy for next 8 years.
Trust was dissolved and they just could not get it back.
“given assurances of being the 3B guy for next 8 years.”
Never happened. He was told he would be the 3B for the near future or something like that. Not for all 8 years.
Also, its a contract, if he really wanted to be guaranteed 3B he could have had language to that affect put into the contract. But, he wouldve probably wouldve had to take less money. And, his agent wasnt going to allow that.
I agree the giants will learn how bad this trade is for them in a hurry
“Clubhouse cancer” that has two WS rings and just iced the sweep of the first-place Yankees. Sox fans are something else.
a left handed power bat in a lineup hurting for it….
The big issue I see is basically his conditioning will it hold up when he is 32+
I bet he is more willing to go 1B for Giants because the trust/understanding is there.
Not many talk about how low the Red Sox brand is amongst players these days. The Sox have to settle or pay premiums for players. This is no longer the amazing destination this same management had built this team into over those first nearly two decades.
I would not be shocked if he plays first for the Giants on pure spite to be honest. If he wants to be in the field again, he is going to have to deal with the understanding he is a bad third baseman, and Chapman on his worst day is Devers on his best defensively. Learn first to play or settle into DH, forever.
william – I wouldn’t expect the Giants to tell him “throw away your glove, you will never play the field again …. not even as a one-game fill-in”.
I would not be surprised if they work with him on 1B and 3B. If they show they believe in him and have confidence in him, it will motivate him to do what they want.
That is the proper way to manage people.
Devers only has one
I think you will be pleasantly surprised by Harrison when he gets another pitch and Tibbs once he has more sessoning
The Dead Milkmen! I went to HS with Dean Sabatino.
Where are you getting your “insider” information? Devers was never given “assurances” by the current front office. The Red Sox took the opportunity to add a gold glove 3B. Are you going to move him to a new position so you can keep the worst 3B in baseball at 3B?!
Changing from 3B to 1B is not that difficult, unless you are the worst third baseman in baseball to begin with.
Mr. Blue…
Sounds like a little remorse to me.
New – It’s not “insider” info, it’s common knowledge.
Devers repeatedly said he was assured when he signed the extension, and throughout last offseason.
Cora confirmed it was said when the extension was signed (him and the entire front office was the same, except Bloom instead of Breslow) and Cora repeatedly stated all offseason that Raffy was his 3B for this season.
And all of it was made public and referenced in countless interviews and articles.
Do you guys remember Mookie Betts? With the Dodgers, he plays wherever Dave Roberts asks him to play because he trusts his FO and his skipper, and all he cares about is what is best for the team… winning. Everyone needs to stop crying for Devers. MLB will figure out he can’t hit a 94+ mph ball up in the zone, and the Giants will be looking to dump his DH-only contract in a year or two.
Chaim Bloom made those “assurances”. Maybe part of the reason he now works for the Cards?
“Crying for Devers”
Its not Devers, they just hate everything that Breslow and former Bloom do. Its almost like politics around here. Theres never any gray areas and certainly no logic. Its ‘Breslow and Ownership Bad’ then figure out an angle to blame them for whatever happens.
I don’t have high hopes on the quality, but I think those two have a chance to be major leaguers.
Bloom is a fool but that there were ever “assurances” that had to be made makes this a Devers problem. He’s paid to play baseball. Playing the position that gives your team the best chance to win is a part of the game. You play to win the game. Bad defensive 3Bs move to 1B all the time. It would be one thing if they asked him to play a more demanding position that he was unsuited for. Or if making him change positions impacted his earning power. But he’s already signed a contract that secures his financial future for basically the rest of his career. Once he signed that contract he should have been willing to move to 1B or DH with a smile on his face.
He’s having a good season. There’s zero reason to feel bad
Mojo Nixon?
Fever- As expected Devers now says he is happy to play any position the Giants want him to. It is going to be interesting to see how it all pans out.
Do you know when they expect to get Yoshida back? I assume it is going to take a while getting his swing where it needs to be against major league pitchers when he does get back.
Can we talk about the elephant in the room…. This Sox season is going exactly like the past 2 or 3…
under 500, then right before trade deadline they get hot, and as soon as the deadline is past the team crumbles. Each time, when players could have been traded for good pieces, the Sox either did nothing or next to nothing.
I am glad that the fat, mental case, 30 mil a year DH is gone at NO COST to us!!!
Now, load Story and anyone else not worth the money into the torpedo tubes and hit the effing fire-button.
Curious how the story unfolds. I wonder if Devers requested a trade
Waiting for the “he’ll willingly play 1st base for us” headline.
Or the “Devers reportedly unhappy he’s still a DH” headline
😂
On the Giants? Doubtful. Flores and Smith platoon at 1b until Eldridge is brought up near the end of this season. Flores will continue to get lots of ABs — he’s a professional (and clutch) hitter.
Imagine if Devers arrives in SF with a first baseman’s glove…
Don’t hold your breath on him playing 1B. Moving better defensive players to DH shouldn’t be helpful to SFG.
I did some research and it seems like he had asked for a trade earlier, but nothing really confirms this…
I wonder how much playing in the new ballpark drops his stat line.
man – He probably did long ago, and they probably agreed to accommodate him on the condition he keep it quiet. After they did him dirty he was very open to a trade.
Regardless, I wouldn’t be surprised for the usual leaks from the front office …. it’s what they do with EVERY beloved high profile Sox player that goes elsewhere.
Well this is basically the only good thing that happened to the Yankees all weekend, they are no doubt ecstatic that he won’t be torturing Yankee pitchers any longer.
And how great is it that Raffy will be playing against the Sox this coming weekend!!!
I’m surprised, this is how they celebrate a sweep of the Yankees? I imagine either Bregman must be coming back soon or Yoshida has made progress and they needed to get rid of someone and found a team willing to take an all of the money for a really good, but really immature player
The Yankees only problem is trying to steal third base now that Devers doesn’t play there.
Rsox – Bregman has been making great progress and will likely return long before the originally estimated 2-month mark.
Yoshida has been able to swing a bat since ST, progress will have nothing to do with him reclaiming his DH role.
Fever, there must be something more to things though. 40 man slots are an issue, not just for yoshida becoming dh but because you’re shipping 1 dh out and bringing 2 pitchers back.
There’s more brewing, has to be.
Agreed. My first thought was they’re not done yet.
FPG: think you are actually a Yankees fan in “sheep’s clothing.”
According to somebody who was involved in the trade, Devers did not request one.
Clo – Can you provide a little more info?
Like when you say “involved”, do you mean one of the players traded? Do you mean someone in the Red Sox front office?
Just seems like a really strange comment.
Considering the extremely light return the Red Sox received, its likely that they they were just sick and tired of having that cancer in their clubhouse. All they got for him in reality was money saved off their payroll.
Not a cancer, maybe a stomach ulcer that flares up regularly.
Immature guy who doesn’t think before reacting ?
Chappy and Adames will make a man of him.
They said he didn’t. But I bet ownership did
This is the 3rd time, that comes to mind, that players who thought they were untouchable/too important, have been summarily either jettisoned or humbled….
Nomar traded. Manny placed on waiver with no takers. And now Devers.
All of John Henry’s front offices have one thing consistently in common…. FAFO.
We survived Nomar-gate and Manny-being-Manny. We will survive Devers-Pout-A-Thon.
If John Henry’s thought is “FAFO” then why does he keep going for players like Devers? Ironically he’s the one FAFO’ing to them.
Hopefully this move works out like the Nomar trade. I was at that July 1st game in Yankee Stadium where Nomar pouted in the dugout. Everyone knew then he was done in a Sox uniform. I was not expecting any team to take on Devers’ full contract so the question for me is where do they spend the savings? Does this mean they re-do Bregman’s deal? I doubt it as his own injuries will likely continue as he ages. If they spend on a stud pitcher, to go with Crochet, I’ll have no issues. if the money is spent on a soccer star for Liverpool, there will be big problems with true Sox fans.
Way!!!!!!
*checks the calender*…..
Nope, not April first
That was my first thought too, GA…
Incredibly strange move following taking it to the Yankees and being virtually tied for the 3rd WC…
GaSox – I truly don’t want to rehash all I wrote about the Devers situation since February, but you should remember the many times I posted a trade was eventually coming and would be the best for all parties. It was probably being worked on for months, certainly since the owner meeting in KC.
Let’s hope the freed up money goes to something useful, rather than being pocketed by FSG.
Surprised me too. I wouldn’t have been at all shocked to see him traded this December, but now in the middle of the season?!?
They got a decent package of talent for him, though. Hicks is a bit of an enigma, but could contribute in the right role. Harrison and Tibbs have the potential to be solid starters. Bello a bit of a wildcard.
None of the players acquired are going to replace Devers. None are likely to be stars. It doesn’t make the current team better. But it is a respectable collection of talent for a very highly paid DH who no longer fit on the team.
For sure, Fever, this only improves the team if they can spend the salary savings effectively.
I agree with you that it was necessary, though. You can’t indulge a player who is incapable of fielding his position effectively and unwilling to switch to another.
Fever, didn’t you see the quotes by cora about a tough decision coming for the roster? They knew a couple days ago this was being ironed out
Definitely, GA. Some had been speculating that KC would be sent down, but this move makes more sense.
As Fever said, they’ve likely been working on this since May 9.
Wait – How does this impact the outfield logjam when Abreu returns this week?
I don’t see the 4 outfielders rotating through the DH role. KC is hurting the team right now, a demotion still seems to be in the cards. Especially if Bregman returns within the next few weeks.
Fever – As long as they keep all four outfielders (counting Abreu/Refsnyder as one), then you pretty much have to rotate them through the DH role. Rafaela should play every game in CF, but the others can share the time on the corners.
Of course a trade of one of those outfielders could still happen.
Campbell is hitting again in June. He started picking it up once Cora let him slide down the order again. He’s a good kid, and will eventually be ready to bat high in the order, but it was clearly messing with his head.
Wait – I fully believe in KC longterm and picture him as a good #2 guy in the lineup, but he’s not been hitting of late. Sure he’s drawing walks and HBP’s but he’s hitting .227 in his last 15 games and .211 in his last 7 games and even with the .358 OBP he’s still got just a .699 OPS in his last 15 games. He’s been super lucky, like the double that was just a chopper that bounced over the head of the first baseman in NY.
Also not sure if you noticed, Cora has been pulling him in many games for defensive purposes. He’s still statistically the worst defensive 2B in MLB.
And Cora dropping the plan to have KC play 1B definitely has helped KC somewhat.
Red Sox vs giants next weekend
I actually did this when the trade went down
Great move Giants from this Pads fan! Love that.
Nl West is a beast!
Yeah I think this is a great move for the Giants. Devers is a beast, still in his 20’s going to be huge for them this year and going forward.
Kudos to the Giants and Posey!!
I like the trade for the Red Sox. They really needed to clear some space for the young talent, get rid of a malcontent, shed salary and add pitching.
They did get rid of a great hitter but this team is loaded with position player talent at both the ML level and in the minors.
I wonder what moves will open 40-man space
pitching? did you actually look at what they got? For devers, essentially, four bags of balls. i don’t care how disenchanted he was.I’m certain there must have been a better deal out there than what they got.
Contract eaten 100 percent by Giants. Henry probably dancing!
Hardly. Kyle Harrison was as recently as last off-season one of the best pitching prospects in the game. James Tibbs was their first round pick and is having an excellent first season in the pros. Jose Bello is a 19 year old with a beast of an arm. This is a great haul, considering probably the best asset the Red Sox are getting is all that money they don’t have to pay Devers. Watch for them to go wild this off season.
Same bag of balls they got for Mookie. No black ball player ants anything to do with racsistown
It’s remarkable how ownership has brainwashed everyone to hate big contracts and bends everyone to their will
This is mookie all over again. The same people saying the same things
I hated the Betts trade. Devers is half the player that Betts was (and still is). You can’t make up for Betts by signing Devers.
Wait – Well the Sox got a re-do on the Devers contract.
If Anthony or Mayer turn out to be studs who go elsewhere 4-5 years from now because the Sox don’t dish out the money to extend them, we will know what happened to the Devers savings.
The Red Sox have plenty of money to work with, and all the flexibility they need. Now they just need to make the right moves.
Last seven games, from June 7 through June 14, Campbell is hitting .300/.440/.500. But it isn’t the BA that I’ve been watching as much as the BB and K.
Yeah, he’s a bit of a butcher at 2B. But the other half of that is Cora likes getting Hamilton into the game. If you send Campbell down, then Hamilton slides into the starting lineup. Do you REALLY want to see that?
Check back in a couple weeks when Bregman returns. Likely the right move will be clear by then.
Wait – You’re counting June 7th instead of today’s game you rascal ;O)
The belief is KC goes down and Rafaela goes to 2B or SS to make room for Roman/Abreu/Duran.
Zero chance Hamilton becomes an everyday starter under any scenario.
Let’s WaitTilAbreuReturns and find out what transpires … won’t be long.
Half in a fairly literal sense.
Betts told the Red Sox “No. Thank you.” to an extension. He said he wanted to explore free agency. They had no choice but to trade him. They trade him to the Dodgers, and for what everyone thought was a pretty good deal. It didn’t work out, which happens with a lot of “prospects”. Betts then signed and extension with the Dodgers before “exploring” free agency. Good for him. Don’t hold the Red Sox accountable for that.
If I am either of those guys I am NOT signing a long term deal with the Red Sox.
Wait? Who thought they got a good return in the Mookie trade? That traded was blasted to the high heavens.
Newms22, add in the pandemic which is why a) there were no better offers and b) why I truly believe Mookie took the guaranteed money instead of playing out his free agency plans,
CThunder, show me reports on who then given the pandemic was offering more?
Who is everyone? With big contracts comes at least some responsibility/leadership. Raffy didn’t want that.
Only in sone people’s minds. Mookie was out of here. He wanted LA and a production company. Good for Mookie. Devers got the money and contract. He wanted none of the responsibility that comes with it.
Surprised no one brought up Bogie, who is now an average player…
Betts wanted to “explore free agency” then signed an extension with Dodgers before free agency? You’re not making sense.
seam – Then why has every article I’ve read grading the trade given the Sox a “C” at best?
I’ve already moved on though.
Now the question is, who will be the next star pushed out of Boston?
This season it was Devers.
Last season it was Sale.
For the 2023 season it was Xander and Eovaldi.
For the 2020 season it was Mookie.
Next up is Duran? Abreu?
Or will it be 4-5 years from now with Mayer or Anthony?
I don’t think many people believed it was a good deal
He wasn’t at the time
Fenway – Agreed! C at best
I give the deal a “D” in the present. The grade can be raised strictly depending on what they do with the return. They freed up 250+ million. Let’s see how they spend it, and if it addresses any of the atrocious flaws on the roster, including the massive one in the lineup they just created.
Do any of the players in the trade pan out? Are any of those players packaged in a good return that helps the roster? They rock bottomed the fan base, again. What massive competitive upgrades are they going to make this off season to finally create that “consistent winning team built for the playoffs every year” after 4+ years of saying every losing year was part of the plan to build that team they mentioned.
Fever points it out all the time, and it is true. Not a single roster had the slightest chance of making the playoffs the last few years. 2025 wasn’t the target year, 2026 was. Well, 2026 is next year. They have to deliver, or this was just another unwarranted stupid drama that set the team back.
Do you think a complete rebuild of a rosters are built in 3 years? The team was absolutely gutted leading into the rebuild, and it took a while if you think it still has “atrocious flaws” you are truly clueless and I see why youre a “Fever” guy.
The same blatant flaws for 4 straight years. Thin starting with insane early inning pitch counts, weak pens, terrible defense, high swing and miss on a team with sporadic power, and a constant reliance on journeymen and reclamation projects throughout.
You think it takes years for a large market team to identify and fill blatant issues with their roster that every single person can identify without issue?
As an example, you think the Red Sox didn’t have the means or ability to at least lock down a legit upper tier second baseman in 5+ years? Instead of rotating into the roster below average free agent defensive outfielders and middle infielders, they couldn’t sign or trade for a single outfielder or infielder on a long-term deal that fields and hits to supplement the kids?
As an example: For years they have desperately needed a good right-handed power bat they could run out there daily and play solid defense, and instead we signed a long-term big contract for a lefty hitter with marginal power that cannot field. The Red Sox didn’t evaluate that they were becoming a team that had a major weakness growing against left-handed pitching? Don’t you dare imply it take 3+ years to identify these major issues and address them with a mere 190+ million budget.
Instead of signing known hurt, recovering, or reclamation projects, perhaps sign a quality healthy arm who isn’t in need of being reworked into a serviceable pitcher. They may get hurt, that’s true, but at least you’re starting with the premise they are good and healthy and not starting with the premise the guys you’re bringing in are coming off major injuries or coming off terrible seasons.
Maybe, just maybe, sign quality over quantity and not call it versatility and depth. Versatility is just colorful way of saying that you are taking advantage of playing people out of position because their mediocrity gains value doing it that way. If they were great at a position and could hit, they would be playing there every game.
On and on I can go. Having a flaw one year can be caused by injuries, oversights, etc. I have listed the same exact flaws every preseason here for the last 4 years, and a couple for over 8 years. Again, we have not had a dominant lefty set up guy since 2013. Chapman would have been that guy, but they needed to make him a closer because the reclamation closer project fizzled, and you cannot trust anyone in that pen as a closer.
Lord knows the Yankees have to retool at trade deadline nearly every year with a couple of moves to address their flaws. BTW, that means they see the flaws and are willing to address them in the same season. In the off season they try to fix more. They don’t just ignore them like they do not exist.
william – Great post!
The past 5 years have shown the Sox don’t prioritize winning, and even many of the longtime front office suckups are pissed about the Raffy trade.
But what does ownership care? They just keep right on with the bait-and-switch.
BTW – The longest tenured player now is Houck at 4+ years. They finally succeeded at turning over the entire roster.
In fact Houck, Duran, Wong, Crawford and Whitlock are the only players remaining who were on the last Red Sox postseason team.
I don’t think we will see another longtime player like Ortiz, Wake, Rice, Tek, Dewey, Yaz etc as long as this ownership remains.
Either Duran or Abreu is likely to be traded, but that’s just a numbers game. Don’t really have space for three LHH corner outfielders on the roster.
I could see an argument going either way, but would personally prefer to trade Abreu. Duran remains underrated.
Reggie, he IS FPG.
FPG: Also Garciaparra and Pedroia.
roob – Time will tell about position player talent.
Remember the same was said about the Orioles not too long ago.
It could hurt the offense and their chances this year, but it needed to happen eventually.
Tang – I totally agree with you.
Tang-that’s my only real question about this whole thing. The Sox are finally playing halfway decent and they dump their best hitter. They’ll be lucky to hit 40 homers as a team the rest of the season. You need power in this game.
Literally gasped out loud. The second time I’ve done that for a trade, ever. First was Luka-AD.
And if you’re going to trade him you need a better quality haul! Just a sad situation
Way!?
Wow. SMH.
Holy Moly
WHAT
Way to celebrate a series win over the Yankees
He plays third base
He plays 1b just at the other side of the diamond
Plays 1B with dyslexia.
Over Chapman…. unlikely. I still dont believe the trade yet
Trades real, Devers playing 3B isnt.
He’s a DH from now on.
He might see some time there initially since Chapman recently hit the IL.
solar – Here’s some “inside” information to most here:
Devers has been taking grounders at 3B prior to the past few games. Reporters even questioned Cora about it.
Not a coincidence. He likely knew something was in the works.
They confirmed he was removed from the plane before takeoff like two hours ago. Lol
He will be a DH only with the Giants
He’d be a DH only for the Lansing Lugnuts. Swings a bat. Full stop. Sucks at anything else.
The giants don’t have a 1st baseman and who knows how long it will take Eldridge to come up
Considering Eldridge is in AAA, sooner than later
He plays hitter only nothing else.
Not with Chapman on the Giants, he doesn’t!!
Guess nobody picked up on my sarcasm here lmao
Not in SF. That’s Matt Chapman’s spot and he won’t be moved from that position. The Giants just got MUCH better!
Craig Breslow masterclass
Well something was bound to happen but holy BLOCKBUSTER SALARY DUMP . Trade him while he’s scorching hot and get a couple of legitimate prospects to boot. Now, what to do with the savings?
Sign on ace or trade for an ace.
Sweep the Yankees and then trade Devers, something just doesn’t feel right about this, incomplete, I’m not feeling the urge to jump on the bandwagon. I’m thinking free agent pitching in the off season.
Do you think ownership will ever pay for a free agent pitcher.
dajuba – I think the timing was planned for two reasons:
1) Devers rakes against the Yankees
2) The start of a 10-day West Coast trip is the best time to minimize the backlash, away from Fenway
Sox haven’t landed a big time free agent pitcher since Price. I would like to see them go all-out for Skubal if he becomes available.
Why would skubal become available. The Tigers are destroying the rest of the league
If they don’t extend him, they know the return upon his loss from the team is a draft pick. That is a reason he may not reach free agency as a Tiger.
I would move the world to lock him up to an extension, but behind the scenes he may WANT to be a free agent to test his market. As a mid-market team, the Tigers have to face hard choices all the time.
What legitimate prospects? 22 year old player still in A ball? Neither in top 100. Best of the two, Tibbs, is hitting .246 for Eugene and is a 45 FV prospect, meaning his ceiling is below MLB average, mostly because he is a future DH type player. Bello is playing ACL ball at 20 years old. Not even in Giants top 30.
No. This was a bad return other than getting a clubhouse cancer off the team and saving a ton of money.
I think you’re not looking closely at the Red Sox return. Harrison (with another pitch) could easily be a #2, maybe even a #1. Hicks back in the bullpen could be Boston’s closer. Tibbs will be an everyday player in time. This was a good trade for both teams.
His OBP is 377 and SLG is 480. He has more walks than Ks. Who cares what his batting average is over 2 months?
When was Harrison a #2 pitcher?
Maybe in time but certainly not now. His stats in the Minprs do not even show this. Hicks is more of a starter.
This is misinformation.
Just to assume that Hicks will be a lights out closer and the struggling Harrison will be a number one is quite the peak outcome. Highly unlikely
Dajuba, What savings?
Misread the article. I see now that the Giants pay the entire contract.
This was a John Henry special. Breslow is the lackey Henry pushes the blame on.
Cleveland – It does seem reminiscent of Manny and AGon getting traded to the LAD.
Fever Pitch Guy –Totally! It’s reminiscent of Nomar. It’s reminiscent of Betts (and Chaim).
Henry uses the media to knock the reputation of the players so the team can justify trading fan favorites. Right or wrong, it sucks how they manipulate enough fans they don’t lose the fan base and fans argue with fans and don’t get riotous at Henry.
Cleveland – How could I forget Nomah!!!
Sadly it’s not real Sox fans that are filling (at bargain discounts) Fenway these past few years. It’s fans of visiting teams, tourists and casuals who want the “Fenway Experience” as Werner said. That’s why Henry has no qualms about forcing any popular player out of town.
Well we will soon see how much of an impact Raffy’s absence will have on the team. I like Yoshida, but he’s no Raffy.
Fever Pitch Guy — Henry’s new village plans are just another step in the wrong direction too. It’s gonna be a Red Sox theme park before we know it. Corporatization of cultural institutions is isolating.
I won’t hold my breathe.
Two separate trades
Cleveland – That’s the trend though, build an entertainment district around the park. I’ve personally seen it in Atlanta and Arlington, and it was supposed to happen in places like KC and St Pete as well among others.
I don’t necessarily disagree with you, I’m just saying Fenway Corners is not an original idea.
And yes I can’t stand how much the corporate culture is permeating MLB.
Fever Pitch Guy — Definitely not original, for sure. Anything not captured has a brief window these days before it’s captured and down the path of ruination.
It’s funny, I’ve been learning a few danzig songs the last few days kinda randomly and I had forgotten that “let it be captured” played backwards is “can’t speak” arguably the second most popular song in the danzig cannon. Anyway, I lived on the corner of heminway and Huntington Ave. pretty much next door to the mfa in 97/98 and I could take a right out of my front door and walk until I came to fenway and after the sixth or seventh inning I’d get in for free just to fill seats cuz they were never sold our. I couldn’t afford tickets so that’s why I had to wait til usually the 7th. No More booze either so they knew I wasn’t there to be an astro even though I always had a Yankee cap on. And it wasn’t uncomfortable or ugly. I got grabbed by this southie head of security and spun around and marched back toward the gate by the collar like a little kid and he’s yelling “Jimmy, Jimmy, did you let this guy in? What’s wrong with you? Look at his hat” and abruptly stopped, swung me back around and said “I’m just busting your balls I actually recognize you because of the hat, I don’t like it but you’re a good kid” and we laughed and cracked boston/new York jokes for ten minutes and I swear there was never a Jimmy. I think he made up a name and started yelling it as he came up with it. It was hilarious. And then came the 99 all steroid game and you couldn’t get near the place on game day since. I got 700 yoo-hoo stickers out of that all star game. And from then on it was f u and u suck and they meant it. Same shift in the bronx. There was no smirk. I’m a baseball fan that roots for the Yankees. Here’s one I taught my obnoxiously accented friends that I think is just funny. Why are people in NYC so depressed all the time? Cuz the light at the end of the tunnel is f’n jersey. Ok, see you all after I reset my password around this time next year. I wanna hear about other offers. How did Seattle not get boston to pay for a better return?
All of those players became Dodgers except Devers. I guess their offer of 3 injured pitchers and a ham sandwich didn’t top the giants.
FPG
Devers bat will surely be missed. His refusal to be a team player will not. IMO . If he had picked up a 1stbasemans glove he would still be a member of the Sox. Do you agree with that?
cdc – No I don’t agree with that.
The damage was done in ST when Raffy was blindsided after all the assurances that he would be the 3B even with Bregman signing. Then the stupid “competition” lie. Then the insulting “burn your glove, you can’t even handle playing the field for any reason …. not even for only one game”.
He was with with the organization for 11 years and not once did they broach the subject of having him learn first base, they even refused to allow him to take reps or play 1B in the WBC.
They wanted him gone, the way they treated him made that abundantly clear. He was nothing more than a placeholder until the kids were promoted.
Not one person truly believed the Sox were gonna pay $29M a year to be a fulltime DH for the next 8 years.
Seattle can’t afford the contract.
FPG
Well one thing we can agree on is that the Sox are not a better team today. The return was mediocre. I don’t think there were many teams willing to take on his contract. Fairly surprised they got what they got. Will he be on 1stbase for the Giants when the Sox play them this weekend,3rd ? Chapman is injured.
Henry didn’t force Devers out of town. Devers got himself traded by first refusing to move to dh, and finally refusing to try playing first base. He had an obligation to do what was necessary, in the best interests of the Boston Red Sox. Devers declined, and this was the inevitable result!!
cdc – Yes I totally agree with you! There were absolutely no signs that Devers was in any way a detriment to the team, and they have obviously been playing well the past 10 days. So yeah, the Sox are a worse team right now and the impact on the team will be very interesting during this long road trip.
I have yet to see this trade ranked better than a “C” for the Sox.
It’s very difficult to trade such a large contract midseason, so not surprised if there weren’t many suitors. Again this team just doesn’t know how to do things the right way. Imagine how much more valuable he’d appear if he was playing some first base prior to this season.
Not sure if you caught this, I wrote earlier Devers had been taking grounders at 3B for the past several days. Pretty sure he knew what was up.
I know Cora said Devers would not play 3rdbase when Bregman got hurt,did Devers also refuse to play 3rd as well as 1st ? Was Cora just protecting him in the media? If this deal has been discussed for a couple of weeks ,as I have heard this morning, I’m sure Devers and his representation knew about the possibility of him getting moved. When the owner of the team gets on a plane to meet with you after a very public spat with the defacto GM , to ask , why not 1stbase. Should have known then changes were coming. Would love to have known exactly what was said in that meeting.
BBH
I agree . I have written before ,so many of the greatest have moved to 1st at some point in there careers. The best interest of the Boston Red Sox. I have no doubt,Devers, in time would have been , an adequate 1stbaseman. I understand the trade, I don’t like it, because the Sox are not a better team today. The meeting with Henry was the last straw.
Cleveland – So true! It’s bizarre how MLB teams follow suit all the time when it comes to strategy, roster decisions, etc.
I’d like to see a team go with a 12-man pitching staff. If they have success with it, I bet other teams would do the same.
There are no trail blazers in MLB, only trail followers.
Nomar if Nomar was locked up for a decade and was one of the only stars on the team
Fever Pitch Guy — Money follows money.
The people controlling the money make you dance until you don’t dance and then you’re crazy or cancerous and off your meds.
Omg fever pitch- you keep saying Devers was blindsided my management. Sure, they probably talked to him before they signed Bergman and he was the future. But plans change. Pivot. Be a team player. That’s all people are saying. It would be one thing if he was actually a good defensive third baseman, but he’s not. So adapt. Be willing to win at any cost regardless what you were “promised”.
Quit defending him because promises were made. It’s a business, and things can and will change. Promises get broken all the time, still making millions so stop acting butt hurt.
Steve – Not my problem that you’re clueless.
I get it, you’re defending management because liars want to make lying acceptable. Sorry dude, what they did to Raffy will never be acceptable to good people.
Or maybe you just hate the overweight Dominican kid who landed a massive contract that he more than deserves. I won’t speculate as to your motives, that’s on your conscious …. if you even have one.
Here’s one of many links:
blogs.fangraphs.com/the-red-sox-are-pulling-the-wr…
Here’s one of many direct quotes:
“When asked during the Winter Meetings about rumors that Devers might be moved off third, manager Alex Cora said, “I don’t know where that comes from. I haven’t talked to Raffy about that. I have never talked to his agent about that. People talk about his defense. Actually, I thought last year, he did an outstanding job, especially to his left…. And I guarantee you we haven’t had those conversations.” Clearly, the last sentence was true, but there’s no universe in which Cora was unaware of how much Devers’ defense hurt the team last season. Maybe his willingness to say something so obviously untrue should have been a sign.
Cora doubled down on those comments just a few weeks later. “Rafael Devers is our third baseman,” he told NESN. “I always envisioned Alex as a Gold Glover second baseman.” Even when Bregman signed, the Red Sox indicated that he would play second base, as a source told ESPN’s Jeff Passan on the day the news of the deal broke. Two days after Bregman agreed to his three-year, $120 million contract, with opt outs after either of the first two seasons, Cora and chief baseball officer Craig Breslow did exactly what they’d been saying for months that they wouldn’t do. They asked Devers to move to designated hitter.”
YOU’RE WELCOME.
And oh yeah, key part right here about Cora the Pathological Liar:
“Maybe his willingness to say something so obviously untrue should have been a sign.”
Bahaha. Cool story bro. Forget you were and RS “insider”. I love self indulgent so called fans who think they know the whole story. I know driving a bus part time makes you a super fan, but in the real world, when people make $313mil you might want to be a team player regardless of what you were told.
Owners and GMs make and break promises. Players get paid and become lazy and entitled. Bottom line. Be a professional and pivot. You weep for Devers as if he was asked to sit at the back of the bus. They asked him to change position. Your self entitlement views this as unreasonable. I think it’s unprofessional he wouldn’t change. But you get personal and act like you’re the smartest guy in the room. Get a life bro- the RS owe you nothing. You don’t need to defend a prima Donna just to look cool on a website
It’s not yet known where he will fit in defensively or if he’ll be the dh for the Giants. But what I do know is the Giants have already said they are going to communicate with Devers first before any decisions about positions he’ll play. They are including him in those talks. That is the way Posey handles things. Honesty with players and including players in discussions. Posey, Minasion & Melvin all operate that way. Devers along with other key players on the team all have input. I think honesty with all players is the right way to make the players comfortable and productive. Possible that wasn’t exactly the way Cora and Breslow handled Devers.i think this trade will in time will be a win-win for both teams.
Hopefully a win for all involved. Harrison will get to start. Devers can be the main hitter in SF and what’s his name can go back to higher leverage relief.
mab – AWESOME post!!!
Especially this part, that some people here just can’t grasp:
“But what I do know is the Giants have already said they are going to communicate with Devers first before any decisions about positions he’ll play. They are including him in those talks. That is the way Posey handles things. Honesty with players and including players in discussions. Posey, Minasion & Melvin all operate that way. Devers along with other key players on the team all have input. I think honesty with all players is the right way to make the players comfortable and productive.”
Steve – If you devote as much time and energy as I do learning what’s going on with the Red Sox, then YOU TOO can have the same knowledge as I.
You think knowledge is the same as intelligence? It’s not …. and an intelligent person would know that ;O)
None of what I wrote is insider info, if it was then I wouldn’t have shared it for free in the middle of 994 comments.
Raffy has proven over the past 9 years he’s a great teammate, and his teammates have made it really clear they love him and support him. If you want to continue fantasizing that he’s secretly disliked by his teammates, that’s your prerogative.
I’ve supported a trade since ST and stated it would happen when so many others were convinced him and the team would live happily ever after. So no weeping here, I’m very happy he’s now in a place that will appreciate him and value him and treat him with respect.
There’s been recent reports the Sox wanted to get out from under the contract since before last season. Well they succeeded, management and you got what you wanted. Congrats!
You think the Red Sox will reward you for being a front office suckup? Good luck with that, bro.
Here’s another bit of info for you, Fenway workers have authorized the first labor strike in the park’s history. Why don’t you volunteer your time selling food there, continue your quest to save billionaires money.
I thought I saw that Harrison was assigned to AAA by the Red Sox already. He can and will be a rotation piece for Boston for years to come.
Haha. A suck up to RS management? I’m not defending anyone. I’m not even a RS fan. But it’s same whining from guys like you and other casual fans who think we’re owed something.
Here’s a little secret bro- it’s a business. Owners are in to make money and yes try to win when there is opportunity. You make think they “owe” as a fan, but they don’t. The sooner you grow up and realize you’re not entitled to winning or making personnel decisions, the more you might be able to enjoy the game as a true fan. But in so far as you think you’re “entitled” and owed by the ownership and front office, you will never be a happy camper. As a Giants and Mariners fan, I take what I can get on any given year. Owners owe me nothing. I then choose to watch, buy tickets, and or merchandise when it suits me. I won’t buy Root Sports unless the Mariners field a product worth watching.
But I am not a 10-year-old thinking they owe me. My god, when are people going to accept the fact that owners and front’s office will make good and bad decisions- and even OMG, lie to or deceive consumers. Don’t watch. But don’t f-ing keep complaining about something that’s out of your control brother. This website has become a venting post of entitled fans who think their owed something. Baseball is not a fundamental right. It’s a game. Played by millionaires and run by billionaires. Winning is not a fundamental right. Enjoy the young talent the RS have and maybe next year bro but you gotta stop acting like it’s life or death.
Time and energy? I have a life, kids, and run a business and don’t need to devote any more time than I do. That makes you an insider because you waste hours of your life reading “inside” info on the RS? Maybe get a job, move out of your parents’ basement, and find a girlfriend that doesn’t need inflating?? If you do that, maybe you won’t take being and RS insider so seriously bro. No one believes you have an inside scoop on the RS front office.
But hey cool story bro- have the RS received your resume to work for the front office since you spend so much researching what they should do? It would be a step up in pay from the beer stand at Fenway you currently work at. FYI- working at beer stand doesn’t make you an “insider” to the front office. If it does, it explains the RS decisions lately.
What?!
Whoooaaaa!! Did he have a full NTC??
Apparently not…
He was just shy of 10 & 5 rights next season
No.
Devers high IQ.
Not a high baseball IQ. Days ago, Devers couldn’t run the bases right. His fundamentals are poor other than being a good hitter
Whatever you need to tell yourself. Offensive players like him are rare. Get a team full of Toros and see what happens. lol
He still helps the Giants substantially, no doubt.
We may already be there
Can’t speak for Cora and his coaches, but he will be coached by a really good staff that just may improve his fundamentals. Sometimes change of scenery work very well with a player. Devers is excited as hell to be with the Giants. That makes a big difference IMHO.
Wow, I would have guessed the Mets. Don’t know the prospects, but Boston is trading another star like Betts. It’s definitely something the Yankees never do.
Don’t know why you would’ve guessed the Mets. They’ve traded almost zero impact prospects recently. Their horrible PCA trade is the last time they parted with anyone and that was almost four years ago.
New onwer, new GM since the PCA trade, and besides, the Mets don’t have a PCA type prospect (and the Sox aren’t getting one). But Mets don’t make sense for Devers. They already have an elite left handed bat on a long term deal who wants to play the field but should be a DH and eventually will. No room for two of those guys on the same team.
The Mets farm system is busting out everywhere, they had plenty of ammunition to do this if they wanted to.
“New onwer, new GM since the PCA trade”
Which is exactly why the Mets make no sense. The organizational approach the last 3 years has been to hold on to prospects.
The Yankees have done a pretty good job of NOT offering long term deals to player’s that always put themselves first. Devers might be a great hitter but so was Bonds and how many World Series championships does Bonds have? It takes a team of impact players playing for a common cause to win in October
And how many championships do the Yankees have in the past 25 years? Lol
Devers is nothing like Betts. Betts helps you as much in the field and on the bases as he does at the plate!
But what’s the difference? The Sox ran them both out of town
Devers isn’t as good as Betts. He is a hitter only, can’t run, can’t field, and has a terrible attitude!!
Betts is willing to play wherever the team needs him. No whining. No ego.
I like Devers, but there is no comparison. Devers is a really good one-trick pony, but Betts is a true 5-tool player., maybe 6-tool if versatility counts.
Harrison was at one point the top rated left handed pitching prospect in the league by some people. Tibbs had done well so far, but only in a A ball, he was the 13th pick in last years draft though
The Red Sox had the pick before last year, if they wanted him that badly they would have taken him then.
They have both Tibbs AND Montgomery. That is better than just one of them.
Betts was the ultimate team player. Devers is a me-first, “I got my bag so FU”, type of player. Polar opposites.
@baseball why are replying to me? I never mentioned Betts or Devers
Soto future DH
Nimmo future DH
Vientos DH now and future
Winker DH 2025
Marte DH 2025
How many DHs do the Mets need?
They’re set for 15 years.
Instead, the Yankees sign stars past their prime
Terrible timing. Couldn’t wait a few days. Wow.
What fools Henry and breslow are
They got 2 pitchers with a 4.00+ era (career) it both are trash wait till u see them pitch their bullpen guys that’s it and don’t expect anything good from the from the giants prospect pool because of Devers contract
I’m officially done with the Red Sox’s after 40+ yrs
Harrison was around a top 30 prospect in all of baseball just a year ago. Tibbs was the Giants 1st round pick last year. Is it amazing value? No, but it’s a solid return when you consider that they also dumped Devers’s entire contract. If you made it through the Mookie Betts trade, you should be able to handle losing Devers.
With all respect, explain why they need to have “dumped Dever’s entire contract.”
Toxic stuff. Telling off your gm justified but the man that cuts your check. Devers had to go no question.
@Chicken: I didn’t say that they needed to dump it, just that they did. And if you’re going to avoid paying any of the $250 million left on a DH’s contract, getting four players–two of them prospects with good upside–is a solid return. The Betts trade was worse than this. If @mcase7187 was able to stomach that, then this Devers deal shouldn’t faze him.
Tibbs is 22 yrs old and not even out of A ball hitting .240 and the pitcher are trash ones been sent to the bullpen and the other is has been demoted to triple A and looks horrible the redsox have enough 4-5 guys they screwed the fans again
Im not opposed to the return here. It’s really viable considering value Devers has on the board with the management discontent stuff.
Could they do better sure but he had to go. You can tell off breslow. You can’t tell an owner off cutting your check absolutely not. Idc how good the guy is.
Apparently you don’t know anything about Harrison or Tibbs. You also don’t seem to know Devers contract is awful. Enjoy your time away.
The prospect return is usually less when you take on a lot of money.
But it wasn’t a salary dump.
You’re nuts. The Red Sox crushed this deal.
Hicks has an FIP under 4.00 this season, despite his high ERA. His career numbers aren’t special but he isn’t bad overall.
Harrison’s stats aren’t great but he is only 23. There is room to grow
Devers lacks major fundamentals. Guy can rake but can’t field and makes a ton of baserunning miscues as well.
It’s not like he had trade value on the market. Henry’s hands are tied and breslow was absolutely ready to strangle him when he told him to go get his 1b on the trade market
They unloaded a malcontent on an anchor contract. Devers in no Mookie.
We thought the Red Sox righted their wrongs when they locked up devers but looks like they still hate long term money
Henry has be orchestrating the overton window on Devers as a Red Sox for months now
I can understand why BOS fans would be upset but in the long run I think this makes them better. It might even make them better this season. The FO handled this whole situation poorly but it seems like the relationship was untenable.
The Red Sox made the relationship untenable and put the blame on Devers. I’d trade the entire Red Sox managment and ownership for a couple lotto tickets before I made that deal. A chess machine could do a better job making decisions than those dumb Red Sox computer nerds could. Why would you trade Devers? His contract is great compared to Guerreros or Sotos. His bat is just so much more important than the money they paid him.
I agree that Boston handled the situation poorly but so did Devers. Are computer nerds dumb though? Seems incongruent to me.
There are plenty of reasons to trade Devers. He can hit but he already looks out of shape for one.
How were they supposed to handle the situation? After signing Bregman, Devers had no chance of playing 3rd base. Devers was/is very unrealistic in his personal assessment. That will never change, because of his limited intelligence.
Top – round is definitely a shape
They should have handled it by getting ahead of any obvious issues that would arise, like this one. Communicating with Devers before signing Bregman is a prerequisite.
I’m not calling Devers a saint but “limited intelligence” is way overboard. They obviously saw enough in him to dedicate a lot of money and he’s a great hitter.
Are computer nerds good at knowing baseball or they good at computers?
They got mad at Jim rice earlier this season. Jim Rice knows a thing or two and they got mad and told him to not interfere when a player asked for his opinion. The Red Sox let go of the scouting staff last off season that found Anthony and a bunch of great players because it doesn’t make sense to scout in person as much anymore when the data collected can go into their models.
What does Jim Rice know about running a baseball team? Great player but he has no experience as a GM. Does that mean Branch Rickey shouldn’t have been hired?
You seem to have an anti-intellect bias based on your commentary.
btw great job of not answering a question but posing a different question instead. it was your original comment that called “computer nerds” “dumb.”
are they dumb or not?
Ha reading you is hilarious. How is calling specific computer nerds dumb mean I have an anti-intellect bias? You certainly made one things clear.
Devers is a top notch hitter. His actions, “speak for themselves”!! The meeting in K C, with Henry, assured Devers would be traded at some point this year.
still no answer ✌️
And when did the Red Sox finally turn their years of futility into a series of championships? It was in the early 2000’s when they hired Bill James and turned their front office into one of the more analytically-driven ones in baseball.
Say what you want about devers and his attitude, but the idea that his contract is an anchor is insane.
Hes one of the best hitters in all of baseball and signed to half of what he would get on the open market right now
You think he would get 500MM on the open market? Not to take you literally but he’s owed 254.5MM still.
I personally don’t think he would. I’d bet around 300MM and many would consider it immediately regrettable.
In a world where Vlad got 500 and Soto got 700 you think Devers gets 60% of the lower of the 2?
Contracts have drastically increased since he signed his.
well, Vlad got 500MM over 14 years as a 26 year old from his home team really looking to make a splash. Soto got seriously paid but I don’t personally think Devers would get that month on the open market. Who else got even 400 ever outside of Ohtani?
So what you’re saying in that the market setting contracts don’t count because you say they don’t count?
Devers is a really good player on a good contract, in no way, shape or form is it an anchor contract.
no, what I’m saying is that you cited two outlier contracts that I don’t think would apply to Devers. I could certainly be wrong but he’s at least comparable to Alonso who settled for basically a one year contract.
He’s as close to Alonso as he is to Vlad imo and Alonso has 10 points in OPS+.
I cited 2 contracts because they are recent. There is no point in pulling data from 5 years ago, the market moves.
Alonso was coming off a .788 season and is 2 years older.
Vlad is his best comparable, especially given the moving off 3b, he’s older so he doesn’t get a 14 year deal, but gets 12 X 35-40aav easy
who is citing data from five years ago? certainly not me.
It’s all speculation but I still don’t think somebody gives Devers as a future DH twelve years. Vlad is also coming off a 940 OPS being two years younger. he has a 1004 OPS as well while Devers topped out at 916 (so far) as a 22 year old. Plus, deserved or not you have to think that Devers’ reputation has at least a little shine off of it.
Either way, appreciate the respectful dialog. This is a nice move for SF for the next few years and gives BOS another (after another) reset.
I don’t think he would get that close to $500 million either. Vlad Jr still fields a position and is a couple of years younger.
You are assuming Devers can’t go back into the field. Which is wrong. It’s been only been 2.5 months of DH. He only moved to DH because the Red Sox forced him out of 3B for Bregman and to create this trade. Giants would be crazy to keep him at DH when there is value to get in the field, either 1B or some 3B.
Using that assumption he’d field, he would get at least 80% of what Vlad got.
He’s blocked at 3rd by a GG 3B (Chapman). One of their top prospects is a 1B. He’s a DH to everyone. That’s his entire value.
A prospect doesn’t make him a DH especially not a Eldridge.
This was a tremendous haul for Devers and his contract and limited field position. Sox should be thrilled to have so many quality players in return and getting out of a bloated DH contract
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Buster !!
I’m going to need a minute or two…..
Buster going for it! I like it! I guess he sees the Dodgers and Padres as vulnerable and trying to change then script.
Yeah. It’s good. Having a crack. Balls out. Wasn’t overly impressed with all the Devers drama but I’m sure I can get past that.
Where does Chapman play when he comes back?
3B, as always. Devers will probably DH like he has been doing.
LOL
Chapman is a 5-time Gold Glove winner, and a 2-time Platinum Glove winner. So… Third Base.
I find this entire little mini-series to be quite amusing. We have drama, we have pouting, we have corporate arrogance, we have more pouting and we have tons of fans and followers losing their minds.
As a dispassionate observer, the Red Sox got rid of the huge $$ commitment for a full-time DH, and have a ton of position players to filter back into the mix. If any part of the trade return hits for them it is a bonus.
I did hear a whispered rumor that Devers, as a part of the trade deal, has demanded a 4 day work week while he is in SF but I have no confirmation for that little tidbit.
Shortstop
Asking that question tells me you might not follow the Giants. Not criticizing you but Chapman is on IL for another couple weeks. Devers might see a few starts at 3B during that time but not at all once Chapman is back. If the Giants and Devers feel he’s ready after not playing 3B at all this year he’ll probably be there fairly soon but very temporarily. When it all shakes out I believe his time will be at DH. If he decides he’ll work at 1B he will also get starts there. I also think it’s great to have another full time everyday player in the lineup along with Jung Hoo, Adames, Chapman, Ramos, Flores, Fitzgerald, Bailey when he gets back. Having Devers in the lineup is surely going to help the offense which in turn will help the really good pitching staff. Time will tell.
What now?
Hope the other players are good…
They better be good…
And They Aren’t
@fenwayfanatic Just say ” I don’t know anything about the best young prospects in baseball”
Who, the only guy they are getting back is Tibbs. He is not even in the top 100 and is hitting .245 in A+. Bello is not even ranked in SFG top 30 in mlb.com, not that they are the be all end all
FenwayFanatic
“…the only guy they are getting back is Tibbs.”
What? In 2024 Harrison was ranked the 23rd overall prospect. He’s only 23. And Andrew Bailey was his pitching coach when he debuted, and he undoubtedly had input. Harrison is the main guy for the Sox in this trade.
Yeah smart guy, evaluate him off of a 2-month sample of BATTING AVERAGE, lol.
Yeah, he’s probably never even heard of Kyle Harrison until now.
Harrison has consistently posed a high 4 era. And you are right, Tibbs is not bad, but maybe I just have a much higher estimation of Devers.
FenwayFanatic, Again, Harrison is only 23. The ERA for young pitchers means little. Dylan Cease debuted 2 years older than Harrison and post a 5.79 ERA at age 23. Since the start of the 2024 season it’s 3.70.
Logan Gilbert debuted at age 24 and posted a 5.90 ERA. Since the start of the 2024 season it’s 3.13.
Logan Webb debuted at age 22 and in his first 2 seasons posted a 5.36 ERA. Since the start of the 2024 season it’s 3.19.
For some pitchers it takes longer for them to figure things out. There’s no guarantee that any pitcher, or player, will develop, but it’s a rookie mistake to assume a 23 year old kid is not going to develop beyond what he is now.
lmao, wasn’t Harrison supposed to star tonight?
Yeah. That’s why they started Hjelle in a bullpen game.
Holy cow didnt see that coming.
Probably wrong thread, but—YOU probably didn’t see the Cardinals falling out of contention by Father’s Day either….so now, you can watch a different team!
WTF
I hope to play first base
I bet the brass had enough of his unwillingness to switch positions.
I think there was a lot more behind the scenes.
Most likely he said the magic word to the wrong person on top of everything else that’s happened this year.
I bet the refusal to play 1st and the apparent lack of hustle on that grounder in NY the other day sealed it.
This started well before the 1B issue, this happened when the Red Sox signed Bregman without informing Devers. This entire drama was set up by the BoSox to push blame onto the player. Just like how they said Betts wouldn’t sign.
They don’t have to inform players of anything. They play where they are told to play, period. This whole drama was caused by Devers being a me-first POS. I’m glad he is gone.
This is such an insane attitude that lacks any sort of reality.
Devers has been one of the best players on the team since he’s been up, if they wanted him to play 1B they should have asked him to move in the offseason, not because of an injury.
Red Sox tried to treat their best player like a utility infielder and then complain when he’s unhappy.
Find me another example of a top player in their prime switching to a new position with no notice.
Trea Turner playing 2B for the dodgers……Star SS got traded to a team with Seager manning SS. He played where he was told.
Not sure comparing SS and 1B is remotely the same thing.
Turner was a newcomer in a trade and they already had an established Seager. Had the Dodgers asked Seager to move for Turner, then we’d be closer to the Devers situation.
The Betts deal is that he was originally a middle infielder, so he isn’t learning a new position. Plus SS is the premier position. 1B is one of the least desirable places to end up as an infielder.
Imagine if the Dodgers asked Betts to play 1B. Maybe that would get us to a similar situation.
If the Dodgers asked Betts to move to 1B Mookie would have happily done it. Team player all the time.
Devers is an awful defender, though. There’s a reason he was asked to move to a less desirable position. The only thing the Red Sox’s did wrong was not move him off of 3B sooner before they payed him like a 3B.
Calls for speculation sir. Betts has never been asked and certainly not in the same situation where the relationship with the team was on rocks.
Red Sox made their bed like Amber Heard and then blamed Devers . I agree he probably shouldn’t have been paid so much back then, but the contract isn’t bad considering what a comparable player of his value would cost. It’s just classic Henry buyers remorse. It just you can’t sell that to the fans, you need to create a pretext to get rid of him. That’s what is dishonest.
So you feel that employers need to consult employees when hiring other employees? What world do you live in?
What’s with “desirable?” Devers is not an impending FA. He got his money. Use of that word is indicating its all about his EGO!
You’re going to an extreme.
The point is, you build around your best players.
If they wanted Devers to play first, they shouldn’t have cleared the path and started that process in spring training. Jays had the exact same scenario with Vlad. They let him get his feet under him in spring training then traded Rowdy.
Devers handled this poorly but the team created the scenario.
@Dusty, you nailed it. The Red Sox aren’t without blame here just because they paid the guy. You can’t expect a guy to switch to a position he’s never played before in the middle of the season. Had they prepped him in ST, it’d be different.
I think Devers handling of the move to DH soured a lot of Sox fans, though; which I get. But there is a world where both parties share blame
Absolutely shared blame, he handled it like a child but also the Red Sox put him in a situation very few stars have ever been in (for clear reasons).
How many other stars have refused to move to an easier position AFTER they got paid?
That would be preferrable. Especially if if it were the position I’m currently in.
Employees are employed to hire employees. And if an employer is hiring an employee, than it is the employer is asking for the contract. So it definitely matters. If fits aren’t right people don’t agree.
The real question is what world are you living in?
Just like how your ego made you write a comment to win an argument, the $5.5B Red Sox owner who tried to back out of a deal to pay his best player because his ego won’t let him pay money to a bad defender. People have preferences, especially if they have goals.
They DID ask him to move to 1B in the offseason, with the idea that they would either have Casas DH or trade him for pitching. He refused and they settled at DH. They asked again because Casas got hurt and they had a need. Any player on a career-length type of contract absolutely has a duty to be willing to accommodate a sudden need due to an injury. If he didn’t want to get moved off of 3B he should have been a better defender there. Full stop. The Red Sox did him a solid by paying him like a 3B even though everyone knew he was gonna have to move to DH or 1B sooner than later.
I haven’t seen that confirmed, where did you get that information?
Yeah this has never been reported so your going to need a back dated source.
Appalachian, Devers was injured in Spring Training. He couldn’t work out at any position because of two injured shoulders. He didn’t even take at bats in game situations until March 15th.
Yes, teams can and do expect players to move to new positions mid-season. It happens every single year. Multiple times every year.
The blame falls squarely on the pouting Devers.
That is why he was traded.
I love when people like pads fan say this happens All the time but can’t be bothered to name on example.
There are very few examples of star players being asked to switch to a brand new position in year.
I have to admit, I kinda love this. MLB teams usually play it so safe. This is a big gamble by both teams. That makes it fun!
IKR…this is a kinda cool drama trade lol
Definitely entertaining comment section today.
I hope no one is gambling on Hicks…
Hicks was included just to get his contract off San Francisco’s books, a salary dump going the other way.
That’s entirely true from SF’s perspective.
From Boston’s POV, Hicks’ is signed through 2027 ($30M+ remaining), so they’ll focus on making him the high-leverage, flame-throwing, setup/closer that he used to be – when healthy – not very long ago in St Louis.
@goob
But he was never a high leverage anything in St. Louis. The Cardinals gave him opportunities, but he never did much with them. They gave him opportunities to start also, same result.
If Hicks works out for Boston, good on them. But the Cardinals, Blue Jays, and Giants all got tired of Hicks eventually. The Red Sox will most likely get tired of him too.
40 saves in 4 seasons = high leverage.
No this was about Bregman coming back from injury and the production of Mayer and Toro which allows them to ship out Devers. The past month Toro has had similar production to Devers.
Toro is a freakin Utility player.
Cooper, how does Toro being a utility player in the past conflict with the statement that he has been as good as Devers the past month? With Yoshida likely to return after the ASG, Devers needed to go away.
Have you seen his stats the last 30 games? He has an ops near .900 just like Devers has for the season.
It’s not much of a gamble for the Giants—unless Devers’s swing doesn’t meld well with Oracle Park’s dimensions.
It’s a lot of long term money. There is always some risk in that.
SF is much better for lefty line drive hitters than righties–they built the park essentially around Barry Bonds swing afterall. Devers should put up the same numbers in SF as long as there’s guys on base to drive in. He may lose a couple 320 HR in the right corner like at Fenway, but RF/Right-Center power alleys are perfect for him
If their intent was building the park around Barry Bonds, then they failed. Bonds could hit in any park. Oracle, for HRs, is marginally worse for LHHs. The PA for RHHs is 81, and it’s 78 for LHHs.
Wow!!!
?????
He’s not going to San Francisco to play 3b. I guess he’s gonna be their DH instead of Bostons? Boston did have a surplus of big league bats, specifically lefty bats. But still this is shocking.
Wtf. Alright, didn’t see that coming lol.
Jordan hicks is trash
Jordan Hicks new closer after Chapman is also dealt.
No he is not. He just needs to be used in the right role on a pitching staff.
As a starting pitcher, he is trash. As a reliever he is good, not great. Better than average.
The Giants thought they could turn him into a starter and that experiment failed. The Red Sox have already said he will pitch out of their bullpen, so it looks so far like they will not be repeating the Giants mistakes.
What?!?!?!?
We are getting back NOTHING
You are getting rid of a major headache and a major contract
John Henry is that you?
You’re getting pitching. Which is exactly what the Red Sox need
They have a plethora of young hitters without attitude Campbell Anthony Mayer opens up playing time for them. Clears Devers attitude and contract. Brings back much needed pitching
Red Sox making out like bandits on this one.
He was worth EVERY bit of that money
Lmao paying a DH only dude 31 mill wasn’t smart. Red Sox get lucky and get out of the contract. Bring back some mlb ready pitching to boot.
I agree. However, that doesn’t mean the money can’t be better spent to improve the club.
I really thought they were going to trade a blue chip for a bona fide star.
Yes. Players with OPS+ of 149 are everywhere and easy to replace. lol
149 OPS+ divided by 31 is 4.8 OPS+ per dollar
A dude hitting 110 OPS+ , 120 OPS+ making league minimum, plus whatever else 30 million dollars buys you offers more value to the team than just one dude making 31 million dollars hitting 149 OPS+
Yeah Juan Soto was great for the Padres.
King, Cease, Profar, Vasquez, and whatever else SD bought with money saved from he Soto trade made them a better overall team last year.
See the problem is you look at one individual and thing Omg they can’t replace one individual. Thats a pretty narrow incomplete take. It’s not replace one dude it’s what can you accomplish by replacing him and his salary.
Can you look around the league???? Guys are making what Devers makes for 2/3rds of his production
Again. It’s just not Devers
It’s Roman Anthony replacing Devers and whatever else 31 mill buys the Red Sox plus the players acquired.
So question is
Does allowing a young hitter playing time, Harrison, hicks, prospects, and whatever 31 mill buys make the Red Sox better than paying Devers 31 mill to play DH? Obvious answer is yes cause you’re upgrading other areas of need by taking a minimal hit at DH production.
Red Sox could sign JD Martinez right now mid reason plug him at DH for vet min and he’d give them 110 120 OPS+
Idk why people think it’s gonna be hard to replace Devers impact on the team by improving other areas of need. Literally listed an example is Juan Soto and people still think it’s just Devers like Sox did a 1 for 1 salary swap.
The Red Sox should employ this strategy for sure. Let’s call it Moneyball.
The fact they didn’t take back a bunch of money or have to trade prospects to get off his contract is a huge deal.
Since when are RED SOX Fans the equivalent of Pirates or Marlins fans, worrying about team payrolls and player salaries?
You are the freaking Red Sox. You will have a Top 5 payroll every single season. If you are trading one of the Top 3 hitters in the AL simply because he makes a lot of money you are seriously doing things (butt) backwards.
Diabetic Rockstar when it comes to one of the highest paid guys on the team hitting a lot isn’t enough. At $250 million you need to set an example to the rest of the team. The Red Sox know this. There is a bloody sock on display in Cooperstown that demonstrates what it takes to win. And Devers former teammate Mookie Betts shows what being a team player is all about. This isn’t MLB the Show and this team will never be relevant if led by guys like Devers.
*a bloody steroid sock.
The pitching we are getting isn’t that good
Easy – red sox need *quality* pitching…. and this ain’t it
You got a ton of money to get it now.
@Easy……I completely agree. I also think this is just part of the deal, I think Boston is going to throw some money around and be active in the trade market. They need an innings eater, I’m worried about the chances of a 2nd half collapse for Crochet because he’s on pace for a career high in innings pitched.
Harrison has value. And you get out of that stupid contract. That could help lead to re signing Bregman this offseason if he opts out.
I don’t believe it will be a stupid contract at the end of it
He’s a DH with one of the biggest contracts in all of baseball.
Agree – I’d sign him to that now and it’s basically getting a little bit worse version of Soto for a lot less money
Every contract in baseball looks good compared to the Soto deal.
Harrison has value as a 4 inning pitcher with walk issues, just like Hicks…
Harrison’s career is just getting started. His upside potential is, in a word, large.
$250 million + – clubhouse distraction.
You are getting 251 million back so I wouldn’t say you’re gettimg back nothing.
Whaaaaaaaat?
The Red Sox unloaded a jackass that’s owed over $250 million. That’s a great thing for them.
Kudos to Breslow for finding a taker, though we can’t expect much more than Harrison and Hicks coming back. Frees up a lot of money for deadline deals and FA signings this winter……at least on paper.
One way to look at it. But they got themselves into this situation, and even the slightest bit of foresight or proper planning could’ve prevented this.
Bregman is expected to opt-out, if he does and the unloading of Devers the team will shed $330 million in obligations. This could position them for a big move, either at the deadline or in the off-season.
Fathers Day Massacre
Wait WHAT?!?!
The huevos on Buster Posey!
Love this deal, Harrison had lost of velocity recent and still has control issues.
Devers might end up in the Hall of Fame.
He is fat and already regressing.
You disgust me
Pablo Sandoval would like to speak with you.
Fred, Hey, keep up. The drop in velocity was last season. It’s back up now. The kid is only 23, and needs some experience, and a 4th pitch. This season he has 3.4 BB/9, and 9.5 SO/9, which hardly suggests control issues.
And Sox play SF this week!
Hicks has been terrible. Harrison is meh. I hope the other players they receive are good bc Devers will be one motivated dude
Would Eldridge be in the trade???!!!
Na, he would’ve been the centerpiece
Nope I was wrong and Whisenhunt wasn’t in the deal either, steal for the giants I think
Not a chance in hell
this trade is just about sending Devers out from Boston’s perspective.
Devers has never been motivated. That is the entire problem. He doesn’t care about the team. He only cares about himself and what’s for dinner.
Guess there were front office not happy with the me first attitude of Devers. Good luck Rafael, better get in better shape to run harder hitting balls into triples alley.
Yeah like they said back in the day: “Good luck Babe, better get in better shape to run harder hitting balls into triples alley”.
55/45 odds that he eats a few too many sourdough chowdah bowls by the bayside and never loses weight… still a baller move by SF! Great hitter, but I do see his SLG drop substantially in that boneyard!
As long as he doesn’t go the way of Panda, how can you not like this as a Giants fan? And since when are some Red Sox fans doing backflips over saving $? Didn’t realize Boston was a mid market club
70/30
Soured relationship / BO$ get$ out
Sure, pennies on the dollar
Devers may bang up his shoulders again if he goes back to playing in the field. He was on a throwing program in spring training because of his shoulders.
Gwynning
“…I do see his SLG drop substantially in that boneyard!”
I agree, but other teams have to play there too. And Devers will play half his games on the road, so that drop in SLG doesn’t bother me that much.
Well said Jean, and maybe he transitions his game slightly and starts tucking away Batting Titles with a small ding on the SLG. I wouldn’t be surprised! Cheers bub
There are shocking trades, and then there’s THIS. WOW.
What a major move by Posey. Devers should provide the bat Giants desperately needed
Great opportunity for Hicks & Harrison
Wow. Just wow. Dodger fan but kudos to the Giants for going for it. Respect.
please not Eldridge or Whisenhunt
Eldridge it is
Sorry not Eldridge
the luka doncic trade of mlb
Name-checking NBA player on baseball blog? Dumb Sportsball Fan thinking.
What?! Wow
I have a feeling Boston didn’t get the best package, just like with the Betts trade. San Francisco is probably the only team willing to pay full salary right now.
Agreed. If SF took on all of Devers’ remaining contract, the prospect return will be less. People forget that the prospect return for Mookie was less because the Dodgers took on $48M which was half of David Price’s remaining contract.
boston will use the devers $ to extend roman anthony + marcelo mayer
Whoa!
Seriously shocked! And I can’t lie.. garbage return for Devers
But a great move by SF.. they absolutely Stold Devers! As I said in my first comment.. Garbage return for BOS.. unless the “other players” are big names?
James Tibbs III is in the deal
Except they’re not… it’s a quantity over quality deal to just ship him out.
Cora had hinted at a big, difficult roster decision looming. Now we know what it was
It’s the salary & headache $250 million off the books.
SF is paying all the rest of Devers’ salary, so BOS is completely off the hook. For this to be a complete success story the Sox need to invest that money wisely which is no guarantee.
Holy crap, absolutely did NOT see that coming
Trading your best hitter for a package highlighted by two slop throwing pitchers is hilarious. Craig Breslow might be the worst to ever do it
Ronk, Definitely not 2 slop throwing pitchers. Harrison is averaging 95.1 on his 4-seamer this season, which puts him in the 65th percentile. He’s also in the 68th, and 70th percentile for K% and Whiff%. Hicks average FB is 97.3 which is in the 92nd percentile. Hicks definitely has some issues, which may, or may not, be correctable, but he’s not throwing slop.,
They’re both struggling pitchers going from a pitchers paradise to an extreme hitters park. They’re also going to an organization that is notoriously bad at developing pitching. I don’t expect much improvement from either, if anything things will get worse
Fenway is actually closer to neutral than a hitters ballpark
Ronk, But you’re assuming a previously, highly ranked prospect, who made his debut at age 21, and who is still only 23, is who he appears to be now. Pitching is a learned craft. Most pitchers don’t figure thing out until they’ve had 2, to 5 years experience at the ML level.
Maybe Harrison won’t develop, and he is who he appears to be now. But to refer to him, as a guy just throwing slop, is incorrect, and the point I took exception to.
I have no idea how you came up with that because Fenway is number two in park factor behind only Coors Field
Plenty of former highly ranked prospects don’t pan out. Harrison looks to be no different. I’m sorry that you took offense to my comment about a professional athlete who doesn’t even know your name
Kyle Harrison and Jordan Hicks aren’t “slop”, no one is offended and they don’t have to know our names, but you should know their names as they’re on the field playing professionally, and their names are certainly not “slop”.
And you probably didn’t know Kyle Harrison’s name until you saw it in this trade today, genius.
Ronk, You’re right that Fenway is #2 in PF, if you’re looking at the overall PF, for all hits, for both RHHs and LHHs. But if you factor in HRs for LHHs then Fenway has a PF of 90, 10 points below neutral,
Whatever prospects the Red Sox get will suddenly make BA’s top 100 prospect list regardless of stats or where they’re listed currently.
WOW!!!! I’d hate to be a RedSox fan.
Pretty sure they all think this is a good thing (like the original need to sign him because they traded Betts)…which pretty much tells you all you need to know about that fanbase.
Red Sox fans were tricked into agreeing he needed to go. The amount of media work done to shift fans opinions on a fan favorite highlights how gullible “educated” folks can be.
100%
Pretty sure you have no idea what an entire fan base thinks.
A sentiment common over the last five years
Wut?
Getting away from a franchise with little accountability seems like a good thing.
Holy …. But not surprised, the Red Sox organization historically has dealt guys who didn’t play ball, so to speak.
They have a third baseman. WTF is going on?
Guess they don’t have to send one of the rookies down now when Abreu comes back.
I’m stunned.
This had better work.
Will be perfect when Devers ends up as the Giants’ long term first baseman.
Nah, that would be Bryce Eldridge.
April fools? I’m a Yankees fan so I’m not gonna miss him killing them.
Gerrit Cole approves this deal.
Yankees fans have to be over the moon right now.
Yankee fans are scared s#!tless after getting swept in Fenway AND seeing Tampa Bay coming on strong. (Thanks to the other New York ballclub.)
all that drama, forcing him to leave 3B, go to DH, then maybe back to 3B or maybe 1B, all the questions, all the speculation, all the arguing, he’s not happy, boston’s not happy, and in the end sox trade best hitter in franchise history since david ortiz
jesus f’ing christ
red sox let betts go
now devers
fans will burn fenway to the ground
Educated Boston fans love this move. Cut out the cancer, extend the young studs on team friendly deals! Most overpaid DH in the history of the game, a “me” player with no “team” in him, and a culture cancer. Great move dumping that albatross contract and freeing up money on guys that want to win as a unit. Never should have signed a below average defender for that kind of money in the first place and Breslow looks like a genius to the ownership group getting SF to take on the entire deal! Whether or not any of the payers traded back work out is completely irrelevant for anyone that understands the business side of baseball!
Kudos Breslow.
Get Yoshida some AB’s and trade him off before the deadline and get all these young studs signed to extensions.
ummmm best hitter in franchise histrory since david ortiz whats that like 5-6 years? There are probably sodas sitting in the backroom older than that.. What happened to Xander that got silver slugging and was not far off from him playing tougher position, Betts? JDM?
Wow I guess Breslow really didn’t like inheriting that contract
Devers to DH, Flores to 1B. Eldridge can take over 1B next year
If they’re serious about winning he’ll be up this year.
He isn’t hitting at all in AAA. It will be next year
I looked it up earlier after all the talk. He’s got a gazillion Ks.
Devers wants to play 3B, so they sent him to a team whose elite defensive 3B is also their best player. 🤣
Looks like he was good with being DH as late as today….
Posey ain’t effin around….
And for nothing but a salary dump….
The Tigers could’ve beaten that deal…..
Except for the price tag of the acquisition. Dream on….
Detroit isn’t going to take on $200+ million for a DH.
Maybe a third baseman, for the next 5-7 years…..
I still doubt it considering how bad Devers is in the field. Plus, you could use that money on something else, like locking up Skubal.
Seems like Boston has too many starters. Not too many good starters but still too many. Giolito might be released. Houck and Buehler might not he around much longer either.
I feel like we can see Giolito traded in a salary dump as a potential depth piece for a team like the Dodgers, Cubs, etc or a fringe contender like AZ, LA Angels, Padres, etc. Buehler maybe back to the Dodgers??
I am surprised the Giants didnt take a pitcher or 2 back in the deal. They barely have 5 starters right now. Dodgers make sense because they don’t necessarily need a postseason starter just help for now. Cubs need something better than those guys.
This is crazy. More moves to come for the Red Sox for sure.
Not surprising at all. The Giants traded only 1 starter, Harrison. and he was a starter only because Verlander went to the IL, and should be back soon. Right now they have Webb, Ray, Roupp, Birdsong, and Verlander when he’s ready. They also have Whisenhunt who’s pitching very well at Sac. Pitching is the strength of the Giants’ farm. They need bats.
Hicks was a starter. And the Giants don’t have a lot of depth past Wisenhunt they have guys but they don’t look all that good. Why not take Giolito or Houck?
Because Beck, Hjelle and Bivens are all ex starters coming out of their bullpen because there is no room in the rotation.
Hicks wasn’t a starter anymore.
Hicks would disagree with you.
Hicks WAS a starter, but was moved to the bullpen almost a month ago. He was replaced by Birdsong who has 5 GS.
Not sure where you got the idea that the Giants don’t have a lot of depth past Wisenhunt. The pitching prospects are considered the strength of the Giants’ farm.
At least SF did the Sox a favor with the experiment of having Hicks start for a year plus, so we know he’ll be a reliever only going forward.
Hicks could be the Red Sox closer in 2026.
Puster Bosey!
Nice haul for Red Stockings.
Devers sort of played himself into this, but in a vacuum the value seems really nice on the Giants’ end. I assume the Sox will stretch out Harrison?
Regardless of who won or lost in this, once a player literally refuses to play a position that you are telling him to play then it is insubordination. The player is an employee of the team and ownership. They had no choice but to trade him imo
That player was lied to by the current manager when he signed the contract. And instead of apologizing for it, decided to be like “meh..new GM. Deal with it”
Were any of the “lies” codified into his contract? No? Then he should do whatever is asked of him. If he wanted to only play a specific position, he should have made them put it in writing. Does he think he’s the first employee to be misled by upper management?
Managers don’t sign guys to contracts, GMs, or PBOs do, and the current PBO did not make any promises to Devers.
That is correct.
Both teams have won the trade. Boston saving 250mill to reload on possible new free agents or extension is genius. He just wasnt working out in Boston and perhaps theres some risk he wont age as well as the contracts worth. This is a baseball trade, love it.
Alex Cora wins again. First Chaim Bloom and now Devers.
If Boston is ready to make a move like this, Cora shouldn’t get too comfortable.
Cora is running the show and all of us Sox fans know it. He’s untouchable.
Cora has dirt on the big guy for sure
He’ll DH
“No way Boston trades him”
I especially enjoyed the “good luck moving that albatross of a contract” commenters. Bunch of bozos, it would seem.
its good for baseball
Huge bat for the Giants. This trade came out of nowhere.
Decent prospect haul or Boston on top of the salary relief. That’s an expensive DH
He’ll play 1st, he has no reason to pout with Giants. He will probably be open to it to stick it to the sox
This makes the Betts deal look even worse for the Sox
Best part of this is unloading Hicks contract! Woohoo
It’s only 11 million next year and also the year after? Not bad?
By the way, have you seen Rafael Dever‘s contract? Ya, you’re paying all of it.
Top 5 lefty hitter vs a guy that is a gas can in a big ballpark. Good luck with him in that little league field.
Yes, the Red Sox need help. I think that’s why they made the trade. Roster crunch of too many outfielders and too many infielders.
That last time I was this totally shocked at a trade by Boston in season, Nomar was headed to Chicago… boy I hope this plays out the same way!!!
The inclusion of Tibbs makes this a little more interesting for the Red Sox. But a 22 y/o college bat with contact concerns while playing in the Northwest League only moves the needle of this trade so much.
I think he will DH. Smith has looked good. Flo and Smith to platoon at 1B would be my guess.
Oops. Wrong spot. Again.
Ignore that Mack.
I’m personally not convinced by Mr. Tibbs. I was a lot higher on Harrison a year or two ago, but things can still work out for him.
Hicks should strictly be used as a reliever.
As a Cardinal fan, Hicks was somehow more frustrating to watch than Carlos Martinez, Jason Motte, and Esteban Yan combined. Guy has no idea how to pitch, but he sure has a fast and heavy sinker. But even as a relief option, low leverage is best, because he often has no idea where that thing is going and can’t damage control if he’s not completely “on” that day.
Sounds like a perfect fit for the Red Sox bullpen, for whatever reason they always seem to have a hard on for those type of pitchers.
John Henry needs to be tar and feathered like they used to do in the old times. I have had enough of this crap.
“We traded Mookie so we could keep Devers.”
Wow!
Hicks is starting…or relieving?….seems he left the Jays because he was only slotted in as a reliever there. His starts have been not so good recently….
I’m pretty sure that after SF, the starting pitcher experiment is over for Hicks. Last year, he started off well, but flagged pretty quickly. He struggled even more this year and lost his spot in the rotation.
I love huge trades. This is great because the Red Sox have a roster crunch.
Too many outfielders and too many infielders.
I would love them to dump Jaren Duran next and trade high on him too.
More pitching, more pitching, more pitching !!
Yup. Like Giolito and Liam.
Those two are the worst. Negative perspective much?
You have to know if you’re a baseball fan that pitching is a crapshoot right?
Holy cow, easily the most shocking trade of the year. I think it’s a win for both teams, the Red Sox finally letting go of Devers to explore new options, and the Giants acquiring a strong batter. I’ll bet the Dodgers are a little nervous…
Red Sox have no 3rd baseman once Bergman opt out at the end of the year.
They now have the money to sign him long term.
A man can only take one terrible thing at a time, are you trying to give me heartburn?
luckily he wasn’t traded to another team with an elite defensive third baseman
If San Fran is absorbing most of the money this is huge for Boston. They will be resigning Bregman and give him the world.
Makes up for not signing a big name like Judge.
This is honestly insane. I get why Boston traded him I just didn’t think it would actually happen! He’s a great bat though, the youngsters better be all they are hyped up as, because this is showing tons of confidence in them. Gives them flexibility and a semi-useful and not very useful arm.
Giants aren’t messing around. They can’t seem to land the big free agent but this is one way to get an impact player. Devers contract may look ugly in a few years, but right now he’s on a tear and has been an elite hitter for a long time. I wonder if the Giants will need to make other moves after adding this much money??
It also sends a message to the youngsters, don’t mouth off and actually like devers.
It sends the message “you’re next” so they shouldn’t get comfy with Henry
Now trade Duran to the Mets.
Duran has been slumping lately.
Yeah, a lot of whiffs and a low BA. But his OBP and SLG for June are quality. Might just be a run of LHP? Duran isn’t a platoon player, but he doesn’t hit lefties especially well.
Not surprised at all. Good riddance. Lazy and definitely not a team player. Contract was stupid. See ya
HOLY COW!!!
Heh heh, happy Sunday funday. So wonder what’s on the telly? Nothing. Uh, time to turn on old MLBTR for some yucks. Wonder what’s new uh, wot?????
Lmaoooooooooooooooo
Just looked it up at mlb.com and Tibbs is the Giants #4 prospect. Plays outfield and… first base !!
I wonder where he’ll be playing fairly soon !!?
Gotta at least get Wisenhunt
Whisenhunt, and Eldridge weren’t going to happen.
Excuse me. What in the world?
Devers had no future on the Red Sox, why do I say that? Bregman is eventually going to be coming back from injury, so you gonna send back Toro or Mayer? Romy is producing pretty well at first. I think Toro is going to finish the season as DH and since his call up he has been lights out.
Looking at Toro, I keep wondering, “Where’s the beef?” I think he ends up as a lefty corner infielder for the bench or a platoon. I don’t see him replacing Devers in any way.
Imagine wanting to oust your best player for Abraham Toro. LMAOOOOO
You cannot be serious.
Oh My God !!!!!!!
Uh so who’s on 3rd in SF LOL. CRAZY
If Boston wants Bogaerts back, make the call.
Where’s FPG?!?
This isn’t a move that you would normally see a team making in the middle of a playoff push. Devers is one of the best bats in the majors.
That said, he wasn’t any good at 3B even before the weight gain this winter, and his refusal to play 1B is limiting – can any team afford to lock up their DH position at that price for that many years?!? I had always assumed he would move to 1B.
With Anthony and Yoshida in the wings, they have options at DH. Haven’t yet looked at what they got in return, but given the $$$ involved I wouldn’t expect much. Still doubt it makes the Red Sox more competitive in 2025, but it gives them a ton more flexibility for 2026.
Yeah I like the move from a value perspective for the Red Sox and like it for them long term. But thet got worse in the short term it appears and they are only a half game out.of the wild card race.
Agreed, the trade makes it more difficult for them to compete this year. But it also opens up a ton of flexibility for the trade deadline. At this point they could plug in a bat at 1B, 2B, or DH if they feel the need.
Or maybe Anthony, Campbell, and Mayer step up. All three should see regular PT going forward, and we will see how quickly they adjust to the majors.
The organization accumulated a ton of negativity under Bloom, during the 2019-2023 time frame. Too many lies, too little effort to improve the team. Breslow is working to revamp the roster, but it is a long slog – but at least we are down to just one DH (Yoshida) instead of having an entire roster packed with them.
Will isn’t that a fine kettle of fish!? Welcome to the Wild West, RD!!!
Saw this coming for weeks now but thought Boston would get more in return
Bruh the Giants are paying off the remainder of the contract and got the first round pick from a couple years ago on top of the Major League ready pitching. That’s a hell of a haul.
After Casas got hurt he REFUSED for the better of the team to try and play first. He only cares about the name on the back of his jersey not the front. Good luck to him. Adios
Here is why Henry can do whatever he wants. Trade our best hitter for nothing and these believers blame the player and not the Rich ahole who owns the media narratives.
Is Dom Smith the odd man out now as far as being DFAed?
Jerar Encarncion more likely at this point.
Probably.
Jerar seems more valuable than Dom. Or at least more versatile.
I like this deal for Boston. Devers’ contract was a hindrance for a DH only with attitude/hustle issues. I know his teammates love him, but I think he was throwing off the vibes with the 1B/3B drama. This clears a path to keep Marcelo’s bat in the lineup when Bregman comes back, frees up money for deadline/offseason pitching acquisition, and provides flexibility to get guys ABs. The two arms are just icing on the cake, if they prove to be serviceable at all.
Ironically, the Sox play the Giants on this trip.I wonder which Raffy we’ll see.
My first thought
Hopefully one playing 3B and we can benefit from his defense
Given what’s been happening around the league, a contender trading pitching away seems like a bold move, Cotton.
Hicks was surplus to requirements. Some might say down the bullpen pecking order even. Wants to start and Buster is big on the human side of the game. Verlander close to back. Couple of ex starters currently in the bullpen that could be stretched out. There’s a “Harrison” replacement in AAA in Whisenhunt. But yes, bold.
Pitching depth is the one thing the Giants don’t lack. Now bats? That’s what they’ve lacked all season.
ballsy. allows them to make bregman a red sock for life. fwiw the 2 comp trades (nomar and the gonzalez/crawford/beckett) led to titles
That’s a steal for Boston. Giants paying the entire contract and still dealt players. Wow!
Jordan Hicks
1-5 with a 6.47 ERA (and is injured)
Kyle Harrison
1-1 with a 4.56 ERA
Boston brass are morons! I’d be absolutely PIZZED if I was a Red Sox fan! Wow…..
Red Sox trade a Yankee killer for a pitcher who seems perfect for the Bombers to own. Crazy. Not a Sox fan but have plenty of friends who are- when will Sox start caring about the fans who love their stars they jettison?
Whoa! That was not on anyone’s bingo cards…..where is Dever’s going to play — is he just going to sit at the DH?
will he play 1b until Elridge?
Giants finally have a player that can hit over 30 HR a season
who didn’t saw this coming? You getting paid 30+ Mils a yr and you refuse to play a position .
Seems like the Sox got fleeced.
Not really. It checks a lot of boxes for Boston and he’s a me-first guy that was causing a log jam of bats by refusing to play 1B. I wish him well. But they just freed up a ton of cash to go get an arm at the deadline or offseason.
Boston is getting the Giants most recent first round pick Tibbs as well. And Bello doesn’t look like a throw in.
I like the value of the deal for the Red Sox. But they are only a half game out of a wild card spot and I don’t think they got better with this trade. At least not today right now.
Bello might be the most clear-cut example of a “lottery ticket” prospect I can think of. Very small frame too. He has such a long way to go.
I would assume Bregman gave them some kind of, “hey i’m staying” right? This looks worse if he opts out and signs elsewhere.
Is it not a baseball players’ job to do what will help his team win games?
HOLY COW
With some of the prospects the Red Sox have, time for the youth movement. Devers goes to a team that has a 3B in Chapman, so DH for him. Giants are ALL IN this year, and in future years with both him and Chapman in the line up.
Devers contract is basically at a 34 million discount for the giants by dumping the hicks contract on the Sox.
So they only paid $221 million for a DH? What a bargain. NOT!!
Imagine looking at Hicks’ profile and calling his peripherals “fantastic”
Did Breslow write this article?
This is very reminiscent of the Red Sox/Dodgers deal from 2012 when the Sox dumped Crawford and Beckett in exchange for 5 fairly minor players. That trade set up Boston for the World Series the next year. At least this time they didn’t have to attach a layer of Adrian Gonzalez’s caliber to get things done. Sometimes you just have to reallocate your money when you realize it is not working. I think this could be a brilliant move by Boston.
And I really think this is bad for Devers. San Francisco has never been a hitter’s haven for anyone other than Barry Bonds. He should be thankful that his money is guaranteed because I think his career numbers will end up about 20-25% less than they would have in Boston.
Are you kidding me, Carl Crawford was terrible and Josh Beckett was way past it. Devers is in his prime and is 28. He’s playing with his best approach in years and is hitting really well
Yeah but Adrian Gonzalez was in his prime and hitting really well. Devers is kind of a combination of the three. His game is fine, but his attitude and demeanor made the deal necessary. They had a choice to dump him now while someone wanted him or keep a clubhouse cancer for the next decade.
Devers will hit in SF.
History would seem to disagree with you, but good luck with your prediction.
History? That’s kind on an ineffectual way to look at it. He’s only played 3 games at Oracle.
Watching on ESPN they had Statcast saying 11 of his 2Bs at Fenway would have been HRs at Oracle. And, I forget how many singles off the green monster there was, but many would have been HRs or XBHs at other parks, including Oracle. The monster robs guys of HRs on a regular basis. Fenway is fairly neutral, and Oracle is not bad for anything other than HRs.
They also said 16 of his singles, doubles, plus 2 triples off the Green Monster would have been outs in Oracle.
From 10,000 feet in the air, this is a tremendous trade for Boston. They have a ton of payroll flexibility to keep Bregman, lock up Mayer/Anthony, trade from their still present depth for a pitcher at the deadline.
Right now, tho… wow.
When have they ever done that.
Why would you trade one of the best hitters for four bags of balls? Hitters like Devers do not grow on trees. I guess we are going to go to another rebuild. If we were going to contend this year then trading Devers doesn’t make sense. Bregman will be gone too. Should just go ahead and trade Duran. This ownership group doesn’t have a clue of what they are doing! Just call us the Rockies.
They traded Devers for $255 million PLUS 2 major league players and last years #13 overall draft pick.
TRASH is what the Red sox got and $ relief.
I would say immediate dismissal of Breslow but this is ownership
I like to deal from the perspective, that it opens up the DH slot for the 4 outfielders to rotate. I don’t like the deal because the Red Sox did not get enough for Devers. I would rather have one good ball player than four so so players
dang i feel like that’s a pretty good haul for unloading the whole contract isn’t it? that gives the red sox quite an open future. wonder how some of the bregmans feel about this….crazy saga.
Can Manfred Veto This????
Not really grounds to do so….
Technically, yes FF… but barring something unpredictably obtuse, there’s no real grounds for veto.
Is intentionally sabotaging the team grounds for this?
Why would he? Both teams are benefiting.
I don’t believe the Red Sox are really benefiting from this trade
For the bag of fungo bats that the Redsox received for Devers, the #BlueJays could have offered more. What gives? The Jays need all the help that they can get. Trade Clement and half the farm to get Devers. Yeeeesh, common @MarkShapiro get on deals like this.
Giants made out like bandits. Well done Buster Posey, you nailed this one.
Did Nico Harrison get hired by the Red Sox and I missed it?
respectfully disagree vtadave. If you’re suggesting there is much similarity in the relative talents and potential for impactful production in Luka and Devers, that’s just not realistic. Boston got rid of a 28 year-old one-dimensional cancer who looks 32.
There is no similarity between the NBA and baseball because they’re 2 different sports.
Yay, by all means get rid of a league best hitter but save so much money that can go towards what’s really essential: throwing $ at multi year deals on pitchers recovering from Tommy John. Wonder which White Sox pitcher they can target next. Hear Martin Perez might be available
It’s as if the Sox said, screw this guy, who has an even more entrenched 3B situation than we do? Trade him there.
I’m totally speculating, as I’m a Mets fan, and don’t know the ins and outs of Boston’s payroll situation and needs, but is it possible the Red Sox did this because they intend to make a big run at Kyle Tucker in the offseason, and wanted to clear some money? Devers might not age particularly well, either. Bat speed has been declining (2025 < 2024 < 2023), his already poor in-zone contact rate is one of the worst in the league, he’s a poor defender, etc. And this is a weird move for the Giants, considering how their ballpark absolutely nerfs lefty hitters. Then again, the Giants are run by maybe the least qualified POBO/GM hire in recent memory, a guy they can’t even fire because he’s part of the ownership group (funny how quiet the people who constantly shout about “DEI” are about that. Maybe he just looks like he should be in charge). The whole thing is bizarre.
Losing the contracts of Buehler, Giolito, and Chapman (approx. $50 million) with all their young offensive talent should have allowed for Devers AND Tucker, but perhaps they are looking to reallocate to pitching.
I’m sure they’ll do a great job spending there.
With all their very talented and young OFers, why would the Red Sox go after Tucker?
You stated as a Met fan you don’t know much.Enough already.
I don’t think another LH OF is in their plans.
They have a great backlog of outfielders. You could be right. But I think you have the wrong Kyle :).
More likely that the Red Sox plan to make a big run at Dylan Cease, Michael King, or Jack Flaherty this offseason.
Once the shock wore off this feels like a good trade coming from a fan of the Rangers who would take either side of it.
Could use Devers much more this season, but every time get comfortable with pitching staff, always needed depth to survive the grind.
Another cry baby wanna be superstar gets his way. I hate how the players have so much power and a big thanks to the Dodgers for the lockout that is going to cripple the game for years to come
Thanks Obama!
Homers are harder to get in SF
Not during the day
Statcast says the same about LHHs at Fenway. They also said 11 of Devers’ 2Bs at Fenway would have been HRs at Oracle.
What happened? Did they get to the airport and he wandered onto a plane to San Francisco instead of Seattle and they just decided to go with it?
BoSox flying to Seattle after sweeping the Yankees, so assume Devers got pulled off the team charter before it backed away from the gate.
Buster Posey is probably the greatest thing to happen to the Giants franchise since Willie Mays
I think Bostons front office likes shopping at old navy because that is a fleece. They should’ve asked for Duran, Jesuar Gonzalez, Eldridge or Whisenhunt in talks? What are they thinking!
They could have asked for those guys, but with SF taking on the entirety of Devers; contract, there’s zero chance they’d have gotten any of them.
And even if Boston agreed to eat some of the money, SF would have said no thanks.
I get the feeling that you know nothing about those players, and just copied them from a list so you could complain.
Man I didn’t think I’d see the Sox make a worse trade than the Betts deal, but yep here it is.
What a horrible deal.
How does this help the team win this year?
It doesn’t. After sweeping the Yankees, they’re right back in the thick of things. And that’s without Bregman. I understand it’s a salary dump but Devers isn’t currently a bad contract even at DH because he produces. I’d be pretty unhappy as a RS fan with this trade.
YBC – my disappointment with the trade is the return. I’d be ok moving him if we got something better back.
As you say, he produces. And with the deferrals, his deal is a good bit less than face value.
The team is essentially tied for the WC at this point, which, makes the move somewhat perplexing. There’s definitely more going on that we as fans haven’t heard,
GA – there were reports that Devers asked for a trade in the off-season.
This trade is going to look real bad in two years when the Sox cycle through yet another CBO and Devers is raking with SFG. Similar to the Betts deal.
YBC – yep very unhappy. As GA said, I’d they got something better back I get it. But they will still have an issue with the the roster because they will need to activate Yoshida. So trading Devers for chump change just to get Yoshida ABs isn’t the right answer. It’s no where close to the right answer.
I think this move allows them to make some aggressive trade proposals at the deadline. They still have MLB-ready/high upside prospects to snag a decent SP with some control.
Swan – I don’t think this actually changes how aggressive they could be.
The Sox print money. Unless you mean offloading Devers gives them more room with the luxury tax and FSG would be more willing to take on big salary at the deadline, but if that’s the case then we go back to the whole “FSG is cheap” argument that has been going around for the past few years.
Not trying to come off as negative or harsh, just a little frustrated.
Yeah, totally referring to the luxury tax line. I’m hoping their off season willingness to approach the threshold continues during the season. They’re still in the hunt and if they can land a Pablo Lopez or Zach Gallen, they’d be right there.
Replacing the bat is gonna take a group effort. I don’t feel great pinning our hopes on Toro, Narvaez,Romy and a couple of uber-prospects. A lot of things need to go right in that scenario.
If I were a Red Sox fan I’d be really excited. The team bolstered its position of biggest need (starting pitching). They cleared up space to add pitching. And in the same way that SF losing Harrison doesn’t hurt so much with Whisenhunt, Roupp, etc waiting to get their chance….the Red Sox just added Roman Anthony and Kristian Campbell to their lineup with Marcelo Mayer likely following soon. It’s a big loss in Devers, but opens the door for others. Most importantly, Breslow gets to establish his team more rather than being weighed down by Blooms decisions.
Turphy – ah yes, such good pitching that they optioned him to AAA with the current state of their rotation. The other is a reliever turned starter failed experiment. What a steal by the Sox. They managed to turn another fantastic baseball player into literally nothing.
There are Bloom decisions weighing down the team, but those are Story and Yoshida, not Devers.
The Red Sox already called up Mayer, nearly a month ago, on 5/24
The $29 million AAV he will cost the Giants as their DH is horrible. No way to say that is a good contract.
Better than Soto and Vlad’s contracts, and they signed more recently.
How is it terrible? Devers is 28 and remains in his prime. Bregman is making $40M; Bellinger is making $27.5M; Alonso is making $30M; Vladdy will start his new contract next season.
Devers is at 2.3 bWAR as a DH only.
Having a one-dimensional player at DH only really mucks up the line-ups over time. If SF can get Devers back onto the field somewhere, the contract might not be so terrible. But having a stick-only guy taking all the DH at-bats AND collecting $30M a season is a tough spot to be in. I love Devers, but this trade helps BOS in so many ways. And will give SF many headaches not being able to cycle guys through the DH spot over a season.
The Giants didn’t have a great hitter, now they do. He can take every AB at DH and they’ll be thrilled about it.
David Ortiz was as 1D as they come and the Red Sox won three WS with him entrenched as DH. His salaries weren’t cheap either.
YBC – Ortiz was year-to-year and barely exceeded $18M a season. His salary was nice, but they never gave him a multi-year deal.
it got rid of Devers and his clubhouse distraction. I am being kind there saying distraction. While the Red Sox have been playing well the last couple of weeks, Devers has been sucking wind at the plate and confrontations he had with Cora over ground balls he didn’t run out against the Yankees and Rays certainly didn’t endear him to either management or other players in boston.
Red Sox probably have to take back Pablo Sandoval too
Boston traded a butt hole for starting pitching
Boston traded a superstar for a used bag of fungo bats. Hicks can’t start to save his life; he is an elite setup man. Harrison has upside but he is a #4 and two turns of the batting order max. Massive underpay.
Someone doesn’t understand contract value…
Elite setup guy, a #4 with upside, and two decent prospects, for a $300M DH? I like Devers, but you make this sound like a great deal for the RS.
Jordan Hicks is an elite velocity guy who scouts love for his stuff who in 7 seasons has never actually been anything remotely close to elite in results. If you like watching the radar gun more than winning, you’ll enjoy him. 1.369 career WHIP, never reached 1 WAR in a season. His 2023 was alright, the rest of his career is well below average.
The Redsox added two arms that are similar to who they already have.Devers is really going to improve the Giants.
Do I hate it? No I don’t hate it.
Red Sux are such a trash organization. This is just another notch in that belt.
In grade school, this one kid used to trade his Snickers bar to me every day for whatever, half an apple, a rice cracker, etc. The Red Sox kinda remind me of that kid.
Poor sap probably has all his teeth and a healthy BMI.
Good news he’s got a very good BMI and most of his teeth. Bad news he died in a motorcycle crash in college.
This will give Whisenhunt a chance to be called up. With Verlander coming back soon, the Giants will have lots of options to cover for Harrison’s departure. Excited to see Whisenhunt inSF at some point.
Hicks and Harrison were easily replaceable in the Giants system. Only Tibbs departure hurts them but not much. It’s the potential longterm effects of the mega contract that is the concern for Giants fans.
This trade has been in the motion since Bregman was signed. Henry has been shifting the overton window on Devers with two major media cycles on how Devers isn’t a team player. Anyone who believes that hogwash is moron. Devers was never anything but genuine, teammates love him, and he always played as hard as he could even if he wasn’t a defender worth a lick. He played incredible baseball in Boston even through injuries and terrible managing. He deserved much more than the betrayal the Red Sox gave him. Good Luck Raffy in San Fran. You were one of the good ones!
“He deserved much more than the betrayal the Red Sox gave him.”
LOL
Ah-HA. A messed-up classless organization under Henry. Yes they won 3 WS’s.
But the problem is that they did what you wrote above to players, managers, and GM’s that got those WS’s wins. Now they’re just a big-spending large market team that have their fans waiting for unproven, overpublicized youngsters to become superstars……
The same situation in Baltimore, although they’re a small market team.
Devers own words prove he is not a team player. That you don’t realize that shows that you are the moron.
Immediately after the 2nd time he refused to move positions, his teammates were quoted in the media lambasting him. I guess you can’t read.
Oh I’m a moron? That’s the pot calling the kettle black.
I understand the Red Sox were railroading him out of town and he wasn’t having it. Sure he should have kept his mouth closed because it justified the Red Sox narrative for morons to believe.
If you have the quote, don’t be shy, otherwise, it’s just hearsay. Post it. put a link to it so I can read it.
Curious with the value on the return for Devers?
A hard-throwing reliever and a couple guys who have top-five-in-organization talent. Harrison is not a finished product yet. Tibbs has only just started his pro career. Some talent there.
Bello is more of a wild card…
Hicks is partly financial. Wasn’t helping the Giants much and they have prospects ready to supplant him. Saves the Giants 30M over the next 2 1/2 years. Could be a decent piece in the Red Sox bullpen with long relief or emergency starter ability (Garrett Whitlock’s role, but better).
Harrison could be a stud. Likely to slot in anywhere from 3rd to 5th in the rotation for years to come. A quick triple A assignment right away might mean they want to make a couple adjustments with him first.
Tibbs has great lefty power. The kind of player that Boston develops well. He’s like a $100 lottery ticket while Bello is a $5 ticket. As much as it’s tougher bringing in younger prospects, it gives the team the ability to develop the talent.
Hicks has not been effective as a starter.
Was awesome for a couple months last year (which makes sense as a guy gets used to starting). Hicks is more money-saving for the Giants and gives the Red Sox bullpen support, and could go 3-4 if needed with the ability to start in emergencies. None of that says he’s an elite starter, but it’s a role playoff teams need filled.
Two good months out of a year and a half as a starter is not effective. The deciders took Hicks out to rotation and now have shown him the door.
Kinda surprised Boston didnt get more. 2 jobber pitchers, 1 good prospect, and an unknown.
Harrison is still young, he has the potential to improve on this.
Devers’ huge contract is the reason they didn’t get more. He is a great hitter, but he is also very highly paid for a very long time.
And a terrible fielder, so a very expensive DH.
You take what you can to get someone the hell out of your clubhouse
Plus a lot of salary freed that they can use elsewhere.
“Elsewhere” meaning “Liverpool.”
Skubal incoming 2026. Pretty serious top of the rotation 1-2
I wonder if him being around was affecting the clubhouse, he’s not a very good defensive third baseman but imo the offense he provides offsets it. The prospects seem to be more of the prize from what I can tell. Hicks walks way too many guys, Harrison is still young enough to make something of himself if he can cut down on the longball and some walks. Pretty wild trade though this early, definitely makes you think Devers was being disruptive based on the timing and return in the trade.
He won’t play 3B for Giants with Chapman there. He will DH or play 1B. Exclusively.
Yeah Chapman a gold glover so you wont be starting Devers over him when he gets back. Devers bat plays however in the meantime. Hopefully the west coast vibes help him and his new team.
Redsox are going no where this year so play the rookies and see what you have.
1/2 game off the last wild card after sweeping the Yankees. That’s what makes the timing of this trade so OMG.
Red Sox finally sick of his act an shipped his behind out for savings on payroll. He is a cancer and I would be willing to bet that they will improve with him gone.
For those who think the Sox got a steal…you got two 4 inning pitchers with control issues and velocity that drops with each start, and Tibbs is nothing more than a platoon outfielder and an unranked infielder…yikes
You seriously have no clue do you? Tibbs is an exceptional hitter that has played 58 of the Emeralds 64 games, 48 of those in RF with another 10 at DH. He is not a platoon OF and has reverse splits so hitting LHP is not a problem for him. He hits RHP for great power with 10 HR against RHP in just 208 PA. There is a reason he went 13th overall in last years draft.
Harrison has been optioned to AAA. His velocity has gone up 2.5 MPH this season. That has not been an issue for him. Hicks is going back to the pen in Boston.
Anything else completely wrong that you would like to add?
…What?
Whoa so we knew Boston was gonna be one of the more active teams but didn’t see this one coming. They’re gonna need some help on the right side of the infield Otto Kemp for Aroldis Chapman, let’s go DD don’t delay. Harrison will take a roataion spot, Hicks will probably close. Chapman and Hendricks probably being discussed for controllable assets.
Doesn’t he want to play 3rd? Matt Chapman occupies 3rd for SF.
He seemed to be doing just fine as a full time DH this season. As long as the Giants don’t ask him to change his position I’m sure he will be fine.
I will say one thing in Giants favor. Because the contract (and Devers’ attitude) are so bad, they are not giving up much. Harrison has the most upside. Tibbs, last years #1 draft pick has been a bust. Hicks is a one-trick pony relief pitcher making a lot of money. Bello was just ranked #22 by Logenhagen (Fangraphs) in a weak system. He is 19 though, maybe some upside…
This is all about dumping a one-dimensional (admittedly talented) hitter with a bad contract and an even worse attitude if your Boston.
I don’t think this is a bad package for the Sox at all considering the money owed/freed up.
Harrison and Tibbs have real value and are nice pieces to get back. I could see Hicks having success back in the pen and being flipped soon, maybe even this deadline.
Think Hicks has a contract thru 2027. Usual deadline deals involve expiring contracts. Kinda doubt anyone would give even a six pack for Hicks considering the contract.
Could be a win win for both teams.
Chapman is out until the end of July. Giants get a bat long term.
They have had issues with most FA signings as non pitcher’s prefer not to sign in SF due to a heavy pitcher friendly park.
Red Sox cut payroll while adding to their MLB roster pitching that required reinforcements. Plus what seems to be a couple of decent prospects.
End of July? Says who?
Chapman is expected back before the All Star Break.
Dick Stuart trade all over. Big bat, no glove, miserable in the clubhouse. Same move. Just like 60 years ago.
Who can forget Dr. Strangeglove?
Absolutely terrible trade for the Red Sox…… FREAKING TERRIBLE
Just my routine nightly click on the MLBTR tab. Wasn’t expecting my eyes to POP out of my head.
One of the best trades in Giants history! Hicks is bad and has a big contract. Tibbs is struggling in the minors. Harrison could very well be All-Star caliber someday, he’s flashed brilliance, but someday may never come. Buster timed this perfectly – during the Dodger series national broadcast. This is a big statement to the overrated Dodger$ and Pads.
Has Devers ever played 2nd base? Could he do it? That would be the best fit once Chappy returns.
Great going, Buster!!!!
No way devers could play 2B. He can’t even really handle 3B. He’s not great at moving to cover, and, is an error machine.
Keep him as a DH where he can only help, not hurt
The other thing of note here is that it’s Busters first human for human trade. It’s a bit like losing your virginity with Mrs Verlander.
People saying this is worse than Betts need their head examined. The Red Sox are getting off a $250M DH who they only signed due to media pressure.
Gerrit Cole is happy to see him out of the AL. Less homeruns will be hit against him.
after watching the Sox sweep the Yankees, seeing the Red Sox shoot themselves in the foot with a bazooka soothes the pain.
Bombers have Tampa Bay and Toronto breathing down their neck, then the BoSox who are now on the bubble. Can’t overreact like The Boss did back in the days of The Bronx Zoo.
I’m speechless… but I am not against this move. Devers wasn’t stepping up when we needed him to play the field
The Red Sox like what they are getting from Romy Gonzalez and Abraham Toro, more at bats for Rob Refsnyder, Yoshida returning to the lineup, but there is no replacing Devers production — he was hitting .275/.400/.500 on the season — Boston gets back the payroll flexibility — getting out from under the long term money opens up a lot of avenues, primarily a long term extension for Bregman.
To get anything at all in return is somewhat of a coup, and the Red Sox got two promising prospects in Harrison and Tibbs, and a decent bullpen arm. I think they are still competitive after the trade, I wouldn’t be surprised if they pull a Boston underdog story out of their wazzoos – Roman Anthony is no Rafael Devers. Abraham Toro isn’t Rafael Devers either, but they still have a decent lineup, decent starting pitching and the bullpen has been a strength.
the return is hella light. Just Harrison and Hicks, who both mostly suck, and and a couple unheralded prospects? looks like a buster fleecing to me
Giants taking a contract that will hurt their pocketbook and limit other signings for many years. All for a player that refuses to be a first baseman. He’s just a DH. Only thing that was in their favor was getting rid of Hicks. Sure Devers is a top bat. But they are paying for a top bat that comes with a glove and speed.
If they had taken this contract with 0 going back to Boston, they still would have lost this trade. That Devers contract is bad.
The trade kinda hurts. I understand why, but I don’t get the timing at all. Lose the $300m contract that won’t age well, but do it while we’re actually winning? I just don’t know how to feel overall.
I’m not convinced it won’t age well. He’s only signed till age 36. For a pure DH that should still be a productive window
Hugely unlikely in today’s fast, faster, fastest game.
How many players are there in their mid30s worth a lineup slot, let alone $32m a year, even expanding the pool from DH to DH-1B-LF, especially players who were only 3-4 bWAR players at their peak? (Which rules out someone like Freddie, who was significantly better than Devers at Freddie’s best.)
Sox are 1 game over .500, they’re not exactly lighting the world on fire. If the Deadline was today, they probably would be sellers. I think they got some decent young players back, with some good ceilings.
As i said in my post, we got a lot more back then Marlins did for Stanton couple young pitchers and the Giants number 4 prospect James Tibbs. Too bad he’s a lefty tho, it just figures, any good player they get is left handed lol..
Devers has been hitting poorly the last month. He hit .182 the last 9 games against the Yankees and Rays while the rest of the team was actually playing well.
outinleftfield
Devers has been hitting poorly the last month.
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Per BR, 6 HRs in 92 ABs, with a 22/21 K/W is about as good as it gets.
Joe, you are quoting the last 28 days, not the last month. He had 119 PA and 92 AB. huge difference. You are also the same person that says that RBI are a team stat, but you are trying to use them here to justify your idea. Over that time period Devers had 127 baserunners. Basically every time he came to the plate there was at least 1 baserunner.. He drove in 15.7% of them or about MLB average in those 28 days.
In that time frame you used Devers hit .239 with an .875 OPS. Both Toro and Gonzalez were better over that time period. OILF had it right.
If you look at how he has done the last 9 games vs opponents that count the most in the Yankees and Rays he has hit .182 with a .574 OPS. When it counted most he disappeared.
Devers is a great hitter and not having him in the lineup may hurt their BA, but will positively impact their w1n/loss percentage.
Pads Fans
Joe, you are quoting the last 28 days, not the last month. He had 119 PA and 92 AB. huge difference. You are also the same person that says that RBI are a team stat,
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1-I’ve never said that about RBIs.. More than likely it is true, but I never bothered to study it.
2-I used 28 days because that’s how BR sets it up. But he’s been hitting much better over the past 30 days, with 8 HRs and a 24/23 K/W. From 5/16-6/16, he is #16 in wOBA. Otinleftfield has no shot of being right on that one. It’s okay to admit it.
You have said it multiple times. Now days you just seem to want to say whatever supports your argument and not the whole picture. You don’t even admit when you blew it on stats.
Pads Fans
You have said it multiple times.
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I never said it. You’re lying. Like I said, that saying is probably true. But since I never studied it, I never said it.
And like I said, Outinleftfield has no shot of being right on that one. It’s okay to admit it.
Ha ha. Websoulsearcher will be backing up the argument here in a minute.
Well, the Sox got two young pitchers and the number 4 overall prospect from the Giants to unload that big contract. All things considered, if the Sox had waited and it had gotten out he was on the block, the return could’ve been much worse.
Consider what the Marlins got for Stanton and this trade looks like a semi win for Boston.
Red Sox have to pay Hicks contract though which is $12.5mil through 2028. Not exactly cheap
12 is a lot cheaper than 30, Plus they got rid of a guy who is causing turmoil in the clubhouse. That alone is worth the 12.
But, if he turns it around, he could possibly be flipped at the deadline, never know, sometimes guys just need a new team and things turn around, it did for Pivetta at least for a little while.
Interesting thought. I had the same one, might be Giants flip him before next season ends. By then Bryce Eldridge will be ready and that gives team 1st-2nd-3rd+SS for the long haul.
BUT, for this season, they need a bat.
I meant that Hicks could be flipped not Devers! That is of course, if she shows somethin in the next few weeks of course.
Okay,
Particularly if the Sox had waited until his bat inevitably regresses.
Don’t forget Stanton dictated he’d only accept a trade to the Yankees due to his trade protection.
That severely depressed the return to MIA, making it a poor comp for anything.
I predict the Red Sox clubhouse vibe is going to get appreciably better. Dever’s attitude had to be having an effect.
I bet the Red Sox make the playoffs.
@warnbeeb
I believe you are 100% correct on the team chemistry, not sure about them making the playoffs but time will tell.
In 2 years when his weight balloons out of control this will be a reverse Pablo Sandoval contract. Can’t wait
There goes team chemistry just to finish in third place.
Ha ha. Bet you had to think hard on this one, Darren. Pretty sure Buster might be across the whole team chemistry thing.
Apparently there is crying in baseball. If I’m Boston I’m happy to shed the salary and get a me first distraction out of the clubhouse.
Are you dumb, the salary means NOTHING in the large scheme of things.
Fenway, pot calling kettle black. That Guy just said what every intelligent baseball fan is thinking. Why aren’t you?
Nevermind, I thought he wrote the opposite
Wait.
What?
Boy, did I NOT call this one, particularly not the absurdity of the Giants dealing away significant talent and receiving no money for the 3-4 win DH.
The Soto and Guerrero contracts appear to have team owners and FOs terrified of the future cost of good players.
As a Sox fan this is a win for both teams here. Starting with SF, Buster Posey finally got the Giants the power bat that has eluded them through free agency for the past 4 off seasons. For BOS they shed what had become a cancer (yes, I am sure that much more will come out on this, and YES this is a situation the team created), they shed a massive amount of money off the books for a guy who only DH’s now and is a mediocre 3rd baseman at best. The kids are all here and the team is hot right now. Bregman is by far a much better player than Devers and teammate as well. This gives the front office a ton of room to go out and get some real fire power to go chase the Yankees down. They’ve taken 5/6 from them including a sweep, are 7-2 in there last 9 and have been winning series. This team is taking a turn during a youth movement. Breslow really needs to go get them something to push them over. Good veteran teammates with playoff experience, good clubhouse guys. And they should absolutely waste no time now that the drama has left for SF……sign bregman long term and get rid of the opt outs. Again, this is a win on both sides.
I would like to thank the Los Angeles Dodgers for just ruining baseball and ensure a very long lock out after next season.
stick to soccer
I’m so proud of Boston to get rid of the clubhouse cancer but at the same time addressing some positional issues that they have.
Wait Bryce wasn’t included???? Tibbs maybe be a starter in a few years ..Harrison is a nice end of the Rotation arm
Stadium in San Francisco is not a Homer park friendly. Good luck lol
Well Yankees fan should be happy and sad, happy the Yankee killer is no more, and the sad part is Yankees are still looking for a 3rd baseman.
this is quite the salary dump.
to me, this trade feels like the Nomar trade in ’04- Nomar was unhappy. Devers was unhappy, and a bold move needed to be made in both cases. by many accounts, Devers wanted out and the Sox wanted Devers gone. both sides win, though the timing is weird, considering the team is playing its best baseball of the season right now. Devers finishes his time in Boston mashing a home run. Sell high. save a lot of money.
It will be interesting to see how the Sox try to spend the saved money going forward, as free agents are going to be harder to attract after this fiasco.
In the last few seasons- Betts- traded for very little in return-. only Wong remains. Bogaerts- gone. Sale- traded for next to nothing.
Now the Sox trade their franchise player for what on paper seems to be not much in return- except the saved money.
It’s safe to assume that Chapman will be gone after the season if not sooner, Bregman likely will be gone. The youth movement is in full swing.
There’s a lot of work ahead to move the franchise forward. will this trade be a colossal bust? or a way forward? only time will tell.
I’m sure I speak for all Padre fans when I say the Red Sox are more than welcome to take Bogaerts back.
All set with that, Pads can keep Bogie.
Don’t call it next to nothing. Harrison has a huge upside and Tibbs was highly anticipated in the Giants organization and Bello has strong potential. Hicks doesn’t hurt anything. It could well be Sox come out ahead on this one.
baytown- fair point. I should have worded that part differently. I’m fine with the move personally- Devers needed to go and the team now has some financial flexibility because of the move- but I think for many Red Sox fans, the return will be seen as underwhelming given how much Devers makes.
i like Harrison a lot, Hicks will help a tired bullpen and maybe be a closer, and you’re right about Tibbs. I don’t profess to know the Giants minor league system, so I’ll take your word on Bello.
Could be a win/win for all- I hope it turns out that way.
With Hicks included, the Red Sox have approx 10M extra this year, 20M extra the next 2 seasons. And 5/150M after that. Might not be money they immediately replace. But helps a ton in the longterm. Gives them a chance to see what they have in their young core though before the deadline.
It also reminds me of the trade to LA before the 2013 season when Boston bounced back and won their least expected championship after unloading some clubhouse toxicity while also parting with some significant talent.
I just watched a mini-documentary of the ARod to the Sox near-trade from the Rangers. It probably worked out best for the Sox that it didn’t happen. Red Sox have a fun young core. And now money to lock up Crochet and others for years to come.
Good move for the Red Sox. I hope the Giants don’t regret it. Buster Posey is keeping it lively in SF.
Devers was way better than nomar at the time, way younger, and meant way more to the team at the current moment of the trade
stathead.com/baseball/versus-finder.cgi?request=1&…
Devers 28, Nomar traded at 29. Stats speak for themselves.
Nomar was 31 when when he was traded. And hurt.
True, my mistake—31 by a week. I would not characterize him being way older though. He was a lot better than Devers either way.
Devers way better than Nomar? I’m guessing you are too young to have seen Nomar play. Unless you mean at the very time he was traded since he was hurt. But Raffy, as good as he is, is not as talented a player as Nomar was.
Devers is not remotely close to what Nomar was pre-injuries. Devers bWAR/162 is 3.8. From 1997-2003, Nomar’s bWAR/162 was 7.4.
Devers best season is a 5.4 bWAR. Except for Nomar’s injured 2001, his bWAR was 6.1 or higher, every single season.
Nomar is literally almost twice as good as Devers.
Doesn’t make sense. Sure Giants are desperate for a bat but their whole team is based on ‘team chemistry’ and he ain’t gonna play 3rd with big contract Chapman there, so, will he be a good boy or not?
Gotta imagine they talked to devers or his management to figure out how he felt about fitting in with the team. Don’t think they would make the move knowing the issues he dealt with in Boston without figuring those out first.
Fingers crossed. Maybe someone in the Giants’ organization knows him personally.
Willy Adames is friends with Devers, whatever that’s worth, and on the other side andrew bailey (ex sfg pitching coach) is the current boston pitching coach, so some familiarity on both sides
How do you know Adames and Devers are friends? It’s not like Milwaukee and Boston are next door to each other or in the same league.
FWIW Willy Adames and Rafael Devers were teammates on the Dominican Republic team in the World Baseball Classic:
mlb.com/world-baseball-classic/roster/dominican-re…
Chances are that he is right. They really could be friends. Both are from the Dominican Republic not far from each other. Only a year apart in age. Both play on the same side of the field. To say 2 guys aren’t friends because they haven’t played together in the majors are the same league is a little foolish. Ofcourse they have played against each other in the majors and Dominican winter league.
Adames is friends with everyone. He is that guy.
“He’s great,” said Adames, who’s known Devers for 10 years. “He’s a great guy. Obviously there has been miscommunication there. From what I know from him, he likes to know things. He wants you to communicate, talk to him, and be honest. And I feel like here with Buster, that’s all we got. Buster’s a super honest guy, he’s going to be straight up, and [Devers] is going to love that.”
DBS, they could not talk to Devers or his agent until the trade was complete. That would be tampering. A huge no-no.
You think there’s no tampering in sports ? Lol
You think there is contact with players on other teams in MLB.
Do you know what the penalties even are? Ted Turner was suspended for a year and fined what amounted to half the contract of the star player he was found to have tampered with. He appealed and they reduced the length of the suspension but not the amount of the fine. Imagine how much that would be today in Devers case if they did reach out to him or his agent.
MLB made the penalties much stricter after what Ted Turner did. It would be much worse today. After the Astros cheating scandal MLB increased the maximum fine a team could pay by 4 fold.
Great deal for the Giants
– they get one of the best hitters in the game
– they give up meaningful assets without damaging the current roster or farm system
Good deal for the Red Sox
– they needed go trade him sooner than later and a trade was inevitable anyway whether he formally requested it or not
– they reinforce their pitching depth which has been decimated and add solid young pieces for the future
Advantage Red Sox. Devers is expensive clubhouse cancer. I bet they’re secretly ecstatic they got rid of him.
Interesting comment given that the Red Sox created this cancer with their courtship of Bregman without discussing moving their best power hitter off 3rd and taking the issue into the press and fan base and painting Devers as a malcontent……not the way to treat a player who was supposed to be a cornerstone of the franchise…..while Devers Defense was supposedly the Red Sox reason for going after Bregman, the Sox were doing pretty well even with Devers sometimes lousy defense……just not the way to handle an issue and this is all on the Sox…..
I like Devers, but if it was my team, I wouldn’t be discussing my moves with him.
I’m so happy for the Red Sox clubhouse
Not a fan of either but Boston got fleeced
Agree……pretty much a hope and pray return for the Sox best power hitter and somebody the Giants sorely needed
Lots of long-term money for a guy that was just outed himself as a pretty selfish clubhouse cancer. Posey had some mojo going with his team, just wondering if that all comes crashing down the first time Devers needs a diaper change…
Who’s on 1st?
Big win for Boston. They get rid of an unhappy player and his big contract and get 4 players in return. Their clubhouse gets rid of the stress he was causing. I expect the Red Sox to have a much better season now. The Giants get an excellent hitter but a poor fielder if they can get him to play on the field. They also get this huge salary to pay and have to put up with his huge ego. Now if he would change his attitude and be willing to do as the Giants ask then it could work our for both teams. For now time will tell but I expect Boston to be the real winner here.
Wow…the 4 players all pretty much suck….Sox traded what shortly ago was a cornerstone of their franchise…..they created the cancer with making a move over a guy who’s best years were/are with the Astros…..
Trading for Devers is the biggest player acquired by the SFGs since Barry Bonds in ’93.
Bonds came in with a chip on his shoulder as well but, the current team needs a bat if they want to vie for post season play! It will be interesting to see where he plays besides DH.
And Bochy didn’t like Barry. Note, they started their WS runs AFTER Bonds was gone. Lot more mellow these days but not then.
Do you think he will switch positions if they ask now?
Absolutely not. Although it would help the team, it could hurt his hitting if he has to focus on learning an entire new position in his prime.
DH is the only thing he can do. He is a liability everywhere else.
He’d probably be decent at 1B. Why he’s so opposed to playing there is so strange.
He wasn’t, he was just opposed to being the Red Sox b*tch again.
How is he their b*tch for getting $300 million from them?
No no, the Red Sox pulled a power move and he caved. He didn’t want to do it but he did. That’s what it means. Next time they did it, he wasn’t having it.
Why he’ll play 1B in SF is because they didn’t pull the power on him. He’ll do it because he will want to be on the field.
Figured it was just a matter of time. He has been banging heads with the front office since winter meetings.
I like it for both teams. SF won’t miss Hicks’ contract, but his splits indicate that he might be a terrific BP for us.
Harrison still looks like a #3 to me. Both prospects look legit.
And Devers will do some damage for SF. That was a lot for SF to give up, but that type of bat in the middle of the lineup is important.
Now, where are all the haters that said Devers was overpaid?
And getting that big, highly paid middle of the lineup bat via free agency was proving problematic for the Giants. Close the book on that storyline and move forward. Tis good.
Harrison will be in AAA. He was already optioned there.
He’ll be there for a few minutes. My guess is that they want to see his repertoire to see if they see any changes they want to make.
Joe….normally your comments are spot on, but on this one….maybe not……Hicks has only 1 year, split between 2 teams, in 2023 where he had a low 4+ ERA and has a pretty mediocre career based on maybe sometime somewhere……Harrison…well he looks right now like a 4+ ERA kid but the jury is out…..both prospects are just that….long term prospects……Methinks this return is pretty mediocre at best for what the Sox once valued as a cornerstone of the franchise….Devers with a change of scenery in SF, and team that is looking to add left handed power hitting is potentially and probably getting the best of this trade for sure……I’m a Yankee fan happy to say goodbye to Devers who has killed us for quite awhile……
Rok
The return is mediocre for sure. I’m actually surprised they got what they got. How many teams are willing to take on the remainder of a $300+ contract? Will be play 1stbase for the Giants, maybe 3rdbase until Chapman returns? The Sox are playing the Giants this weekend, If he’s on 1stbase ,that will be a kick in the ballz.
Also I will never forget when Devers turned on that 103 from Chapman.
Hicks as a starter sucks. Hicks as an RP is very good, with a 4.91/3.73 difference. And the RS need another RP.
IRT Harrison, it’s tough to tell. Minor league numbers aren’t sacrosanct, but he did rank #26/44 going into 2024. It’s also worth noting that on his pitch count 1-25, he has an OPS of .696. Probably not a sufficient sample size, but if he flunks out, he still might make a good closer.
KUDOS to the Sox for dumping a rotten contract, and with Bregman maybe opting out they have a chance to start fresh next year.
This was all boiling up since Spring Training but I did not expect to see a trade in the middle of June. Devers will be an upgrade as a power-hitting DH, Chapman has 3B in the bag, and Red Sox get some pitching. Win-win for both teams.
The big thing is that the Red Sox get $255 million in salary relief and get rid of a disruptive presence in their clubhouse who cannot play defense and has not been hitting well the past month.
Ha what a joke. Devers was never a disruption before. It only ‘became’ a problem after Red Sox started antagonizing him.
It sure didn’t take much antagonizing.
Much antagonizing? Geez. I guess I stand corrected, the only organization you know, in a foreign country, stabbing you in the back publicly and convincing the fans to you’re a club house cancer probably isn’t that antagonizing.
has not been hitting well the past month
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Per BR, 6 HRs in 92 ABs with a 22/21 K/W. Great stats.
Great trade for Boston. Get some really nice pieces while dropping a contract that Breslow didn’t hand out. Gives him the ability to shape the team his way which is a big deal even if Devers continues to rake.
SF uses their Shohei earmarked money to add Adames and now Devers. While only giving away spare parts (from their perspective). I think the Giants made one of the worst moves in franchise history, but a lot to be happy about right now for their fans.
I’m stunned that’s all the Sox got for this guy. I’m a Yankees fan, but this guy was one of the better lefty hitters in the AL. Glad to see him go…..but damn, Cashman could have given up a lot more! haha
Let’s go!!
Now we know Devers held a grudge getting moved off 3rd. When they went to visit him on the road after Casas that must have been the last straw with his attitude Now that they have another batch of kids coming up they decided to move him.
1) If they didn’t tell him before they signed Bregman then the Red Sod brought this on themselves.
2) The Giants got shot down by Ohtani and Soto. They wanted that big bat and had the money. I suspect it was the only team that would eat the entire contract and at least give up two decent young guys.
It’s a great deal for the Giants, even if Devers plays first or DH. The Red Sox ruined themselves by not moving him before the season. I understand why they did this deal but they really pooched it up front.
You have it bass ackwards. Teams hold no obligation to inform players prior to signing another, better player. If Devers didn’t realize or didn’t care that he was hurting his team by playing defense at 3B, then that is all on him. He was being paid to play wherever the Red Sox told him to play.
Everything that happened was on his shoulders, no one else.
A $31 million AAV for a DH is never a good deal. This is one of those contracts that will age very badly.
No you have it bass ackwards. The Red Sox set this up to sour the relationship Devers had with the fans so they could dump their fan favorite without huge backlash of trading the fan favorite.
He’s not a fan Favorite never has been. He’s not a team leader naver has been.,,,Normally your star 300 million dollar player would headline a netflix doc., or 30 for 30 in spring training. You never see or here from Devers. I assume its an English thing, but when your paid 300 million all those non base ball things come with the job. we will miss his bat, but not his attitude. This could of been handled better on both sides, but at the end of the day it was a bad contract for red sox that will now be a bad contract for the Giants especially on the back end. Kyse Swarber will easily replace Devers bat next season and be a solid leader for the young guys….something Devers will never be.
They Giants were never in on Soto.
Jon Heyman of the New York posted the Giants reached out to Boras and Soto wasn’t interested.
Well all these years of following sports.. I would hear… you can’t fire the players…. Quite obviously if your Henry/ CB / or AC you can….
Interesting that after the big contracts to Chapman and Adames they still had the payroll space to add Devers’ contract. Giants finally acting like a big market team. And the core of the roster is stable for the near future.
Sad to see Harry go and wish him and Hicks the best. The need for an impact bat was clear. Kudos to Posey and Co. for not waiting and making a decisive move.
Yes indeed. Just got to tinker around the edges for a year or three. I’m thinking ownership is sold on the pitching future. Young, good and under control.
Fopp, and you were concerned earlier
on Posey’s first dip into the trade market. Looks like he did good. Early and impactful just like the Adames sign.
I had my doubts too, but not anymore. Going for it while the young guns are controlled and cheap is very wise.
On the tinkering end… Maybe Schmitt to 2B and Fitz to utility plays out later..
Yeah mate. Never underestimate a champion. Unfounded concerns.
On a more positive note, the Harrison dot joining had some merit !
Maybe on Schmidt. Options are good. Crazy how that one guy changes the look of the lineup.
Really looking forward to Devers first AB at Oracle. I’m thinking if I open my front door I’ll be able to hear the cheers from down here. It’s all good.
Oracle thunder heard down under ?
The reason I think we might see a change at 2B is Fitz can play outfield so has more value as utility. Kinda creates a roster spot almost. Schmitt seems to need regular playing time to hit consistently, and looks better defensively.
Melvin might have made a Freudian slip in an interview when he said that “Schmidt deserves to be a starter somewher”. Is he next on the block?
Yeah. Pavlovic was saying the same thing on his podcast today.
The ironic part is Devers is going from one team with a superior defensive Third Baseman to another team with a superior defensive Third Baseman. The caveat is Bregman can opt out after this season but Chapman can’t, so is it a better situation for Devers or worse?
Devers is definitely going to play 1B and could get spot starts as 3B. He’s probably been learning it when he strained his groin learning how to do splits.
The big difference is Giants is his new team and not the bad Red Sox…
I Imagined there would be a Ton! Of Comments. I was not Wrong !!!
Definitely has Jeff Kent Vibes to this one. And I know Sabean has been in the wings with Posey to a degree. What a find and catch by the G’s.
Devers is HOF Bound to say the least. And a left handed power hitter is exactly what this team needs right now makeup wise – With Ramos and Chapman, Adames, and Flores even too.
Lee hopefully will Stay! at the leadoff spot as he should have all year. Ramos 2. Devers 3. Chapman 4. Flores 5 Adames 6.
Yaz hitting helps a lot. The 3 new guys have helped too, The bench, vibe, experience.
Looking for a Starter. Is it Verlander ? Probably not at this point but you never know he could go on a run here. But Wisenhunt will get the call soon over Harrison traded. That’s the future.
– So exited I saw the headline in a restaurant and jumped up out of my chair in the middle of early dinner when I saw in shock, checking the score. People were looking over and I told them too.
I’ll be bringing my son to a game soon, 3 years old to watch Devers mash.
– The Bullpen is World series worthy. Starters are 60/40 right now. Need one more killer. And the offense should be 3/4 of the way there with maybe a few more upgrades later in the outfield.
Bravo Posey. Bravo !!!!! Go Giants.
As a player i don’t see the “Jeff Kent vibes”. Kent was an average at best player with the Mets when they shipped him off to Cleveland for Carlos Baerga and even then Jose Vizcaino drew most of the starts at 2B for Cleveland after the trade. Kent getting shipped to the Giants in the Matt Williams deal worked out because of Barry Bonds hitting in front of him and Kent becoming a solid offensive player thanks to Bonds and J.T. Snow hitting around him. Devers is already a good offensive player. Giants aren’t getting a steal in the sense that they picked up the whole tab and they still have the problem of Devers is going to DH, unless he is willing to play First Base for them
Kent hit behind Bonds during most of his time in SF (including his MVP year in 2000).
The Red Sox just jettisoned a bad apple and got very little in return other than salary relief. I have to believe that their goal was just dumping Devers regardless of the return as long as the team he was going to agreed to eat all of the $255 million in salary he is owed.
Devers has been hitting poorly for about a month now. The past month he is hitting .247. Since a double header against the Orioles on May 24th he is hitting just .194. Since the end of the Angels series, Devers hit just .182 in 9 games against division foes Yankees and Rays. With the worst defensive skills in baseball at 3B, unless he is hitting Devers has no value.
He’s had a groin strain…
lol at Pads Fan and his use of multiple accounts. Oh dear. The ego on some folks is just of control.
Look, They won in 2004 when they traded Nomar (!), which was at least as shocking as this. They won in 2013 after trading a talented group to unload a bunch of drama.
And you cannot just look at the players they got for Devers to judge this trade. It’s the players they got, PLUS $30M for the trade deadline or free agency in the off-season, PLUS any benefit there may be to unloading a clubhouse cancer IF that was the case.
Just to be clear they had other core players during those seasons. Devers was really the only one good enough to anchor this team.
This is a gutting of their financial commitments. Who are they planning on spending this money on? Not to mention they just dropped out of the luxury taxes.
Henry is so bad at free agents its not funny. He spends most of his time dumping them. I wouldn’t be surprised if he tries to package prospects to dump Story and Yoshida.
Okay, so what do they get with that $30 million? A new deal with Bregman?
Alcantara’s an upgrade but he’s going to cost serious prospect talent, not just money. Even moreso if the Marlins do the smart thing and hold on to him into the offseason and get more teams involved. He’s not potentially a FA until after next season (if the team declines his $21 million option for 2027) so the Red Sox can’t get him with just that $30 million.
Eflin’s a free agent after the season, but is he really an upgrade over what they’ve got?
This might have been a trade they “needed” to make because of the seemingly broken relationship between Devers and Red Sox management, but the only way the Red Sox got the better end of this trade is if Harrison takes a big leap forward in 2026 like McKenzie Gore has this year, and if Tibbs makes it, and we won’t know about that part of this deal for 2-3 years.
Navy- my problem is this; what SP have the Sox shown they can develop? Is reuniting Harrison with Bailey the stuff to make him better, or does he need better stuff?
This Sox fan hates it. I was excited for Devers to settle in as the heir to Ortiz for the next eight years.
Red Sox owners are paying over 100 milion euros for Florian Wirtz to go to Liverpool so they needed to balance the books.
Liverpool FC is worth more than the Red Sox and draws revenue from the entire world, unlike the Red Sox.
I know. Just being snarky
I love what Buster Posey is doing. He’s putting all his chips in the middle & saying “let’s go.” I really believe this Giants can be special. In a 7 game series an opponent is going to have to see Webb & Ray in at least 3 of those games. Then with an elite bullpen & timely hitting…that is exactly how SF won 3 WS. Had Lincecum, Cain, & Bum, an elite bullpen with Romo, Casilla, Affeldt, & Lopez, and professional vets making timely hits. It is a even year too!
Betts, Boegarts, & Devers all in the NL West. Thanks Boston
Neither Betts nor Bogaerts is worth the money. Hollywood would have been the perfect fit for an out-of-shape, self-absorbed, prima donna like Devers but SF is the next best thing.
Betts 100% is worth the money.
Not long term he isn’t. Glad you’re not doing my long-term financial planning.
Betts already has 30.4 bWAR. He’d almost have to get permanently injured today to not be worth that contract.
He makes $27.5 million at the end of his contract. That’d be a bargain today. In 2032 it’s peanuts. Part of long term financial planing involves considering what the world will be like in the future.
That’s like $15 in 2032 money. Inflation!
The Red Sox are loaded with left handed bats. This helps balance it a bit. If Yoshida is healthy, he takes the DH spot. So it’s a wash on the defense, which needs to improve. I can see Hicks going to the bullpen and being useful, even if it’s for only 40 innings or so. Harrison moves into the rotation? Are Houck, Crawford, et al out for longer? That’s a lot of innings from last year. I still see using six starters this year, so I put Harrison in the rotation. The prospects? We’ll see. Both teams traded from strength so it can benefit both teams. These trades are always good in the long run. Teams are willing to deal with other teams that are fair.
I have seen so many great players dumped by the Red Sox in the last 60 years so this is just another one. I liked Devers. All the chatter about him, Cora, Breslow, Henry is just static to me. We know nothing of those people. It will be interesting to see how this plays out over the season. Beware the ides of June.
Yoshida is a lefty too
Harrison sent to Minors
Hicks on IL
Moving that money was what got the deal done.. Don’t stop there, keep moving veterans.
Bobby- are you fielding a MLB team or a glorified AAA team?
They’ve lied to us fans all along. This is a rebuild. Call it what it is. Winning isn’t as important as profit..
Hopefully Bregman opts out.
Baby Huey heading out west.
Another bad contract for the Giants
They technically didn’t fail to court Correa. He failed his physical and the deal was off. Different circumstances than the others.
Like Adames leaving Miller Park, Devers won’t find SF’s park as hitter friendly as Fenway.
Big question is, will a malcontent, and that is what he was in Boston, fit in with a team that is defying all pre-season predictions?
Back in March, most pundits didn’t see the Giants as anything more than a possible .500 club at best and predicted they would finish fourth in the NL West behind LA, SD and AZ. So far, they’ve enjoyed good mojo with the team they have, even with Chapman on the IL and not expected back until July.
Lastly, the Giants are spending a lot of cheese for a DH-only player. And there’s no easy way to get out of it should Devers not produce his Fenway Park numbers. Not unless they can find another MLB team with a big enough cookie jar who wants Devers.
BCBC- look at Kershaw’s comment about Devers, “top 10 hitter in the sport”. then put his spray chart overlay on Oracle. he actaully gains HR’s.
hes a pure hitter with gap to gap power, he’ll be crushing doubles consistently
We don’t have to guess. StatCast does the work for us. baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/rafael-devers… and scroll down to expected HRs by Park. Devers would have hit a few less per season on average if he played his home games in Oracle Park.
What is interesting is overlaying his spray chart over Oracle Park and seeing just how many singles and doubles he would have lost because of not having the Green Monster. Over the last 3 season he would have been a .250 hitter instead of a .270 hitter and his OPS would have dropped 40-50 points. Does the huge gap in RF in Oracle make up for that? Maybe. Maybe not. Will be interesting to see.
I think Devers will be fine. He isn’t a guy with warning track power. His shots leave most parks.
The Ted Sox are better after this trade. I don’t care about Devers’ boat the plate. He is a bad attitude. Not a team first player. That’s not what is needed for a “face of the franchise “ player.
t3f- what is needed is a failed reliever turned starter, a rookie who might make it, and a HIgh A and AA player, right?
it was Breslow’s lamebrained idea to kick Devers off 3rd base that got this whole mess started to begin with. And then wanted him to move again. What star player on any team wouldn’t be angry? Boston could have spent Bregman’s money someplace else instead of upsetting their best player. And Bregman could very well opt out after this year anyway. Trying to badmouth Devers and blame this all on him isn’t fair. Breslow is playing musical chairs with his players. I guess Duran is the next to go. Just when Boston was getting hot Breslow pulls another boneheaded move.
How is moving a defensive liability off an important defensive position a lamebrained idea? Everyone in baseball except Devers knows that he had no business playing 3B, and the Red Sox paid him like a 3B anyway. If Devers wanted assurances that he wouldn’t be asked to change positions then he should have been committed to improving his defense, which he was clearly not. You play to win the game.
lots of pressure from Sam Kennedy and John Henry on this deal.
Wow, the Red Sox really wanted to get rid of Devers. Buyer beware!
VOR- his teammates love him
SS3: Please back this up with evidence.
Not sure why people are surprised. Only thing surprising is the timing. His comments earlier this year made it clear he wouldn’t last in Boston long term.
Regardless, this makes the NL even more brutal.
Sorry Sox fans, but I would laugh my rear off if he played first base for the Giants..
What. EVER.
He probably will, because his feelings won’t be hurt anymore….boofjnhooooo
Now every time the Red Sox lose… fans will say they could of used a bat like Devers
could HAVE used
“could of” is not a thing.
Looks like Hicks was just a throw in, because of his salary
What position does Devers play against the Sox this weekend? DH,3rd or 1st ?
Would love to know what the players actually thought of Devers refusal to play 1st. Maybe we will get some insight into that now that Devers is gone. There had to be some underlying tone of ,hey help the team.
cdchi- Joe Girardi on the yankee radio broadcast was asked if as a manager he ever asked players to change positions and if they said no. His answer was yes, it happened a lot. I dont think the players were too upset, if at all, and Devers was raking!!!
SS3
I do not know the particulars of the Yankee ,Girardi situation,but definitely a different situation than this one. It was in the best interest of the team that Devers picked up a 1stbaseman ‘s glove. and he told the owner NO. The guy that signs his $300+ million checks. There had to be an underlying tone in the Red Sox dugout about the situation.Maybe now that he was removed ,we will hear some thoughts about it C’mon , the Sox have so many players playing out of there natural positions. For the betterment of the TEAM. By the way Devers was hitting .208 in June.
By the way Devers was hitting .208 in June.
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3 HRs in 48 ABs with a 13/10 K/W are the numbers to focus on.
Joe, only because you want to focus on them. .208 is just as relevant. As you well know, in tiny sample sizes a couple of home runs skews OPS, so its kinda worthless. Also, Toro, Gonzalez, and Refsnyder have been better.
I was curious, so I listened to all 6 games against the Red Sox. Girardi didn’t say that.
I cannot find a single instance of a player publicly refusing to move positions other than Devers.
Red Sox players already expressed that they were upset about it. Not to just one person in the media either. 4 different ones reported that players were saying that to them.
Pads
Yeah, not sure about that Girardi quote. I’ve heard relief pitchers wanting to be starters but that a little different.
What happens when Chapman comes back ? 😆
Hate to see them trade away a franchise player. But i think this makes the Red Sox better for the rest of the season. The 2 pitchers they got have a lot of upside and maybe a change of scenery helps. They also dumped that contract so maybe they spend big on a free agent in the off season.
Long term they might be better for this trade. But I don’t see any scenario that thry got better in 2025 unless they make another trade or 2.
I agree. It’s hard to get better immediately after losing Devers. I’d like to see how close Yoshida is. If he could play DH, we’d replace a decent chunk of Devers hitting. And Harrison and Hicks could both be upgrades.
Good article about James Tibbs and Jose Bello:
mlb.com/news/james-tibbs-iii-jose-bello-part-of-re…
Why do so many players who play for Boston want to get out from that organization? It is amazing to see players to be happy to go there, but then wanna get away from there.
Good move by the Red Sox. They had a logjam over there. Bregman showed them what a real leader looked like.
Can’t see it happening..but what if this ignites the team and they go on a run..we’ve all seen stranger things happen with worse sox teams…little Morgan magic coming?..maybe…this team is surely better than the 88 version
As a Giants fan, it took me a while to process this trade. My first impulse was my concern for Dever’s controversial response to Bregman and being asked to play first base . But the longer I thought about it, the more I like it. I love Harrison and think he’ll be really good in Boston.
One of the biggest plusses about this trade is when the Giants deduct Jordan Hicks 12mil per year contract through 2027, they’re actually paying very little for Devers age 28-30 seasons. Then they’ll owe Devers about 165mil for the last 6 years of his contract (180mil minus the devaluation of his 7.5mil per year deferral) for his age 30-35 seasons and all of that is really reasonable.
Devers season started out shrouded in controversy and he went 0 for 19 to start the season but has been fantastic since.
The big question is how will he fit in the SF clubhouse and will he play 1st base where clearly the Giants would be a better team if he did.
Even if he stays at DH, the Giants can platoon Smith and Flores at first. Which is not bad.
So hopefully Devers is a big time gamer, plays well, fits in fantastically with the Giants clubhouse and this goes down as one of the best trades in Giants history.
WtT
If Devers plays 1st against the Sox this weekend ,it will be a massive kick in the dick. As a Sox fan I would like to see him butcher a couple of dribblers at 3rd.
As a RS fan, I think you’ll like Devers. He’s a little bit of a knucklehead, but he really put a charge into the ball. And the 1B thing doesn’t bother me a bit. I took the RS side on the 3B issue because he just play well enough to keep the position. But I had no problem with the 1B issue. They argued for a month or so about 3B, Devers finally relented, and now you want him back as a fielder, with no practice?
Devers will count $29.2 million AAV towards the Giants CBT payroll. Through 2033. That is a huge amount of money for a DH only type player.
700mil is a lot to pay Soto, 500mil is a lot to pay Vladdy. The amount owed to Devers, especially minus the 12mil a year that was wasted money on Hicks seems pretty alright to me.
Damn, he should have gone to the Rockies.
Alpha move to do this in a way that yanked Devers off the plane #lastLaughsAlwaysAreTheBest
David Ortiz puts down Devers:
“No one is indispensable on a team. The only way to become indispensable is by doing things the right way, all the way around. You need to be available. I think that marked the end of the relationship between the Red Sox and Devers. You have to be smart. A player’s worst enemy is his ego. And guess what teams do with your ego? They buy it.”
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As a Yankee fan for over 60 years, I’m willing to admit that David Ortiz was the most clutch player I’ve ever seen swing a bat. And Manny Ramirez wasn’t far behind. But when it comes to his baseball analysis, Ortiz does not give off the highest number of lumens in the light stanchion.
What are you talking about? What is wrong with what he said?
Ortiz was on the money with his comments. Do you know who wasn’t? You.
Devers has been a Yankee killer for as long as I can remember. When I first saw the “Devers to Giants” in somebodies baseball notes I figured it was another one of those stupid trade proposals that some clown dreams up to get some clicks. So I quickly went to mlbtraderumors for the straight s**t and lo and behold it’s true. Devers would scare the crap out of me everytime he came to the plate against the Yankees and to say I’m glad he’s gone and to the NL no less would be a massive understatement. How on earth does Boston replace a guy like that?! After Boston dumped a load of wet concrete on the Yankees offense this past weekend I thought the Red Sox pitching looked pretty good. Why do things always seem to turn toxic between Boston and it’s star players? Not that I mind…
Here’s to hoping that Devers starts terrorizing the Dodgers the way he did the Yankees. Take it from me buddy, you should be thrilled to get Devers.
Too bad Elli is not a complainer like Devers….the Tigers could use a SS.
No small market teams is signing elli to muti year contract with Scott boras as his agent. Unless their is a cap or salary floor in 2027 their will no baseball season. A level playing field like the NFL is needed !
WOW, just read about this…
Please don’t turn into a Bagwell deal!
Bagwell was a prospect when dealt not an all star with 300 mil contract..not remotely the same
On foul territory today ex gm jim Bowden criticized the devers trade. Said the red Sox should have waited until July 31 to trade him and shop him around to more teams. Maybe so jim but why haven’t you got a major league gm jobs after Cincinnati and washington ? My biggest fear is when David blitzer takes over majority ownership of guardians from dolans blitzer will hire someone like Bowden, al alvia, or Steve Phillips. Forbes has blitzer value at 3.6 billion for minority owner that hasn’t spend a time . At least whenjohn sherman was minority owner of the guardians he shelled out 60 million for 3 years of double e. If your not invest blitzer sell your shares to someone that will !
Sorry meant John Sherman was minority owner of the Indians. Sherman went after home town Royals when came available.
I doubt it. There’s pressure on SF to make the trade. Posey might have anted up more to close the deal rather than wait.
And this is by far Devers best year and best K/W. That could easily revert.
Absolutely shocking. Another STAR/STUD shipped out of town. Communication in this organization SUCKS. This should have been handled PRIOR to signing Bregman. Instead, they let it fester and assumed Devers would simply move. The front office/ownership, AGAIN rushed this and got $hit back for one of the best hitters in the league. I dont want to hear he was 1 dimensional, his bat was superior and they did win a championship with him at 3rd.
I think it’s going to be a struggle to sign BIG free agents in the future, Bregman not withstanding. Let’s hope he doesn’t opt out now!
So pissed off right now. JOHN HENRY PLEASE SELL THIS TEAM.
They gave his $313M. They owed him nothing. He doesn’t own the company and if he were a better fielder, Bregman would not be in Boston.
You got paid 300+ million dollars and with that comes the responsibility to be the face and do what’s best for the team. He only did what was best for himself. Thats called a terrible teammate. The Sox had enough, found a team to take on the entire contract and shipped him out. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out
Studs don’t refuse to play when asked. Only stud that was shipped out of town was Betts after he said he wanted to go to FA and see what he was worth.
Its not incumbent on the team to discuss FA signings with any player. Teams do what is best for the team. Players are supposed to play the game at whatever position the team that is signing their checks tell them to play. Players do not get to choose.
That he twice refused to move positions was beyond the pale. No player in my lifetime has ever done that in public. Any issues in Boston were the fault of Rafael Devers for being a petulant child,. No one else.
You may not want to hear it, but the truth is that Devers is 1-dimensional. His defense made him a detriment to the team winning at 3B. In 2018 he was a detriment with both his bat (94 OPS+) and his defense (-9 DRS) and had a 0.4 WAR. They won that year in spite of Devers, not because of anything he contributed.
The Red Sox have obviously been working since then to move him but no team wanted to take on $255 million in guaranteed for a DH only player without a historically bad attitude.
Now the Red Sox can invest the money saved in one of the FA starting pitchers that will be on the market including the two the Padres are going have hit the market this offseason.
Without John Henry you are still in the midst of a 100+ year curse. It was his efforts and money that brought winning back to Boston. Be careful what you ask for.
The Red Sox ham handed moves involving Mookie Betts, Rafael Devers and other players just keep on happening.
Red Sox Ownership & and Front Office are often very clumsy in handling and disrespecting players.
All roads appear to lead to John Henry and Sam Kennedy mismanaging Rafael Devers like they mismanaged Mookie Betts leading to the loss of both players.
Now that the periodic tanking of the Red Sox, after their last championship, appears to be over with the team restocked with young players,
we can see Craig Breslow being set up as the next scapegoat for the mismanagement, chaos and alienation of the Red Sox fan base that is ever present with that team.
So, obviously, the chaos in Red Sox Ownership and mismanagement of the team and players cannot be blamed on: Theo Epstein, Ben Cherrington, Mike Hazen, Dave Dombrowski or Chaim Bloom.
Unfortunately, Craig Breslow will be the next scapegoat walking the Red Sox plank.
David Ortiz on the Devers trade:
“Players need to take this as an example, nobody is indispensable,” Ortiz said, per Yancen Pujols. “You need to be smart and understand the situation. Your worst enemy is your ego.”
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Spot on Big Papa. Thats why youre the DH GOAT!
You Sox fans are being too hard on Harrison. A couple years ago he was the number one left handed pitching prospect in MLB. Okay, okay, turns out he need more work but he’s a whole 24 years old. Guarantee he’ll be as advertised.
Keep in mind, Bailey was his pitching coach and bet he was a big part of recommending him. Posey asked Mike Krukow who he thought the best of our stacked youth pitching staff was, answer, Harrison.
You’re under the luxury tax, you got rid of a clubhouse problem and you’re on a strong path to long term success. Stop bitching.
Baytown
You Sox fans are being too hard on Harrison.
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Half of all RS hate every single move the RS make.
Fpg hates all the moves
Coincidence that Krukow made that public like the day before the trade? I think not. He was working with the front office.
I still say it’s absolutely wild he wasn’t activated today.
All over some quiche and sparkling water not being ready for press conference.
Seriously did you and Devers really have a a coke bender that hard last night you can’t make this happen on a 640 first pitch Monday.
I get it the giants don’t play today but seriously I don’t think Pablo Escobar could convince Devers to play 1b.
Anything to be better than breslow 🤣
They better be careful putting him at third and first right away after he hasn’t been on defense since 2024. I can see first time he stretches to make a catch at first leading to hamstring injury or out for year injury while at third he could easily challenge to lead NL in errors for the season without even needing half season to set the record.
the entire Sox organization should be on notice now.
Devers is just the first domino to fall- Chapman and Buehler could well be the next to go…Bregman in the off-season. deal Story, if we’re lucky.
…and Cora SHOULD be the next to go. yeah, he was extended, but the culture that he was part of in ’18 is all gone now. time to hire a new manager, clean the slate and build a new culture.
The biggest wart the Red Sox have had for years is the Owners and Front Office being spineless and needing to break down players they make moves on. Breslow fell in line trying to pretend the team somehow is better without their best hitter. Just say our plan for the roster is different, we traded a great player which is a tough decision but we aren’t throwing in the towel. We wish him the best, he has delivered for the organization since he was 20 years old and we know the Giants added a big bat to their lineup. Sox leadership fails and fails over and over in these situations.
“Meanwhile” has to start the sentence, not come in the middle between commas. How do you mess this up twice, Deeds? And “either” shouldn’t have a comma before it. How do you get this right and then mess it up later in the same article?
asking a A.I. Chatbot questions on how to fix grammer is really par for the course with you.
go too school so u can make a educated comment here and, on the other sites you constanlly harass with grammer comments nobody cares about.
It doesnt make you look smart using a bot to get the right use of words or, commas and, were a word should start or, not
Lmaoooooooo. Go back to the kids table. You can’t spell to, grammar, and where. Then you say “a educated” instead of “an educated.”
If you can’t spell basic English words or use simple gramma, you shouldn’t have entered this convo, son. And just because you clearly need AI to write in proper English, doesn’t mean I was using it. Plus, what are these other sites I constantly harass? I only comment here.
Seriously dude, you should delete this comment. Makes you look incredibly dumb.
too easy, me incredibly dumb ha, its the other way around.
calling me son, creating that comment name and, constantly correcting the work of the writters only shows that you have a inner problem with yourself plus the “I” syndrome.
And, too make that small loud voice you hear shut up you call me son and, belittle the writters on unimportant grammer and, bought that unseemly inappropriate vehicle that you justified by telling all that dont want too listen “its your $ & you deserve it” all the while your family wonders when youll stop being such a selfish Richard and for once realize that others can be right, its not just you, and, that there thoughts and, feelings matter, if only youd just shut up and, listen too them
And, why or, what would make you want to use your gramma just because she is simple.
really shouldnt be announced to the world on a baseball site . you should really sell that vehicle to get some good counseling for your gramma for whatever you did to her.
Have your A. I. Chatbot write up your confession then report to the local copshop with it in hand