The Giants’ rotation was a big strength early in the season but has struggled more of late. Fifth starter Hayden Birdsong was optioned to Triple-A earlier in the week, and it’s not entirely clear how they’ll fill out the rotation moving forward. President of baseball operations Buster Posey sat down with Susan Slusser of the San Francisco Chronicle to talk about a variety of topics — Giants fans, in particular, will want to check out the whole Q&A — and suggested that he’s always on the lookout to improve his team’s pitching group.
While Posey called out Carson Seymour, Carson Whisenhunt and Kai-Wei Teng as in-house options who’ve been pitching well and create some depth, he also added that “…you understand sometimes it’s going to take a lot of different guys to get you across the finish line, so you’re definitely scouring the markets.”
Giants starting pitchers rank 11th in the majors with a 3.89 ERA on the season, but that number drops to 4.49 (21st in MLB) over the past month. Birdsong’s struggles have played a major role, but both Justin Verlander and even ace Logan Webb have ERAs north of 5.00 in the past 30 days.
It’s also fair to wonder how Robbie Ray will hold up as the season wears on. The 33-year-old lefty has been excellent so far but is in his first full year back from Tommy John surgery. His 123 1/3 innings not only rank 12th in the majors but are more than double the 60 innings he pitched all of last year (majors and minors combined). He only tossed 3 1/3 innings the prior season before injuring his elbow. Breakout righty Landen Roupp has become a key rotation piece, but he’s up to 101 1/3 innings after pitching only 76 2/3 frames last year in a season spent primarily as a reliever. He pitched just 31 innings in 2023.
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Alex Pavlovic of NBC Sports Bay Area wrote earlier in the week — before Birdsong was optioned — that the Giants indeed seem likely to look around for a starting pitcher. Posey’s comments to Slusser only reinforce that thinking. Per Pavlovic, however, ownership doesn’t want to push the payroll too much further after absorbing the remainder of Rafael Devers’ contract in last month’s blockbuster with the Red Sox. That’s not to say they can’t or won’t augment the starting staff, but it’s fair to speculate that they might err toward pitchers with reasonably affordable salaries.
While the market offers plenty of high-priced rotation pieces (e.g. Sandy Alcantara, Mitch Keller, Charlie Morton, Seth Lugo), there are still plenty of affordable arms to be had. Jeffrey Springs’ $10.5MM salary (both this year and next) is relatively manageable, and he’d provide stability beyond the current season.
If the goal is to come in even lighter on the salary side, names like Washington’s Michael Soroka ($9MM), Milwaukee’s Nestor Cortes ($7.7MM), Tampa Bay’s Zack Littell ($5.72MM) Pittsburgh’s Andrew Heaney ($5.25MM) or Adrian Houser of the White Sox ($1.35MM) are all playing on salaries under $10MM. That’s just a speculative set of names, to be clear, but it illustrates that even the rental market has a fairly wide breadth of options of varying quality.
Bigger swings on the affordable side of the financial coin would include Twins righty Joe Ryan (a Bay Area native) or Marlins righty Edward Cabrera. Both pitchers — Ryan in particular — would come with exorbitant asking prices in terms of prospects, however. Ryan feels particularly unlikely to move; the Twins are reportedly asking for at least two top-100 prospects in exchange for either of their top relievers (Jhoan Duran or Griffin Jax), and the ask on Ryan would be even higher.
The Giants have also been poking around the market for help at second base and could look for complementary bats on the bench/in the outfield (ideally a right-handed one). We’re still less than a year into Posey’s run atop the team’s baseball operations department, but between the free-agent signings of Willy Adames and Verlander, the extension of Matt Chapman and the trade for Devers, it seems fair to expect that he’ll look to remain active. The Giants are just one game back in the NL Wild Card chase and a more distant (but still potentially surmountable) six back in the division.
They can have Harrison back for Wilmer Flores
How about Dominic Smith instead ?
He’s definitely expendable at this point.
We can toss in a prospect too.
I don’t get why this fails to mention probably the best fit in meril kelly
Don’t think the Giants want to send prospects to a division rival
Shouldn’t everyone in the division agree to just try and beat L.A.
apparently from what everyone in the industry says, this is a much bigger fan concern than what gets discussed behind the scenes, especially nowadays when there are a lot fewer games in division
Seymour for Springs would be a good deal for both teams. Webb, Ray,Roupp,Springs can get to the WC. Whisenhunt, a top 50 prospect for Ryan could get you out of the wildcard round put they have to pay him in his arb years if they deal Whisenhunt
A high price to pay for Springs and for Ryan (local guy first drafted by the Giants), but Ryan makes the most sense of the two.
Whisenhunt ain’t going anywhere. Best pitching prospect we have had since Wheeler…
Buster so handsome
Heaney to giants looks good
Cheap too, I bet
I’d say pretty much any of the guys in the bottom 10 of the top 30 for the Giants would get them Heaney. The Pirates’ system is pretty thin on LHP and outfielders (even ones that project as 4th outfielders), so I’d assume those would be acceptable. If they’re also looking to nab IKF in the same deal, the Pirates ought to aim higher – perhaps they could pry Luciano from the Giants.
Heany is—at best—a #5 and the Giants already have one of those (Verlander). I’d rather they bring Seymour into the rotation (or Whisenhunt) than waste space on Heaney.
I think you need to factor in Roupp going to the bullpen at some stage. Innings pitched issues.
Springs will get you to fourth place. Buster likes going big so I say Alcantara.
Springs in Oracle would feed families.
Perhaps, but Springs is beginning to close in on his innings ceiling [135] which he tossed in 2022. Last year only 33 innings.
Wonder what a Houser / Robert Jr. package would take ?
My guess would be something like Luciano, McCray and Mason Black (if Posey will take on some salary) – add Matos if Chicago eats the salary.
I think that’s doable. I’d be all for it.
Not a prayer the ChiSox go for that; the trio is more likely to be off the 40-man in a year. If you’re proposing that pkg, might as well ask them to thrown in Giannis as well ;) CA Dreamin’
Houser is a rental and Robert has a .636 OPS (and is technically a rental bc it doesn’t look like anyone is gonna pick up his 20 mil player option with his production).
Getting swept by the Blue Jays wouldn’t have helped Busters cause to get more payroll cash. They broke the budget with Devers. Id suggest they are all watching this Mets series pretty closely.
2018 is the last time the Mets won a series at Oracle. May this success continue !
The Johnson family has enough money to support a million populations on a million planets. Or to keep it simple just consider franchise equity, which is a double-digit X multiple from the time of purchase. They’ve gots the money… Time for a little Giants Light Years magic !
Yeah. Nah. Their personal wealth is not my business.
Like the vast majority, there position relevant to the budget is the factor we should be concerning ourselves with. I’m not sure they have shown enough to warrant a further stretching of that document.
I am in no way a fan of either team or Revel Devers, if they can, they may unload Devers again if they can.Tear me alive, I don’t think Devers is a great team guy.
Keller is a hidden gem… young and experienced … plus his ERA this year is lower than in the past – he’s just gotten no run support
Now I think about it – he’s would be coming to the right Team to make him feel at home :)
I agree about Keller. He looked great at times with KC afterwards he’s better than league average. Give him a great coach and support staff and he could be top 20
I dream of them adding Sandy Alcantara and Xavier Edwards from Miami, but Edwards’ inclusion would likely fetch too hefty of a prospect package for my tastes (Bryce Eldridge would probably be needed to swing that deal). But Edwards would do wonders to set the table at the top of the order, and the Giants could still use Schmitt as a lefty-masher at first and a genuine backup at every infield position.
But Alcantara’s contract and not-so-spotless performance means he’d probably be quite affordable in term of prospects if the Giants take his whole salary. Considering their farm is not deep, but their pockets are, I’d be down for them to take a gamble on Sandy
Xavier Edwards would be a tasty add, as would Alcantara, but I think the Marlins see Edwards as a foundational piece (along with Stowers, Norby and Dane Meyers). They are much improved team this year. Miami fans should be thrilled — at last!.
Michael Lorenzen
I have read 2 articles indicating Rutschman might be available. Bassallo almost ready drafting of Irish/Bodine. Buster iikes to go big. Bailey did not hit last year and is around the Mendoza line this year. But defensively he is outstanding and therefore make a nice tag team with Bassallo.. Throw in Eflin and the Giants could offer a few pitching prospects. Rutschman//Eflin for Bailey/pitching prospects. Buy low on Rustchman.