The Mets have acquired right-hander Tyler Rogers from the Giants, according to announcements from both clubs. In return, the Giants receive right-hander José Buttó, pitching prospect Blade Tidwell and outfield prospect Drew Gilbert. The Giants designated right-hander Sean Hjelle for assignment in order to open a 40-man spot. Gilbert wasn’t on the Mets’ 40-man and won’t require a spot today. Both of the Rogers twins have been traded today, as the lefty Taylor was in the Ke’Bryan Hayes trade.
Tyler, the submarining righty, will be joining a new club for the first time in his career. He was drafted by the Giants back in 2013 and has spent his entire career with that franchise up until now. He doesn’t throw especially hard, averaging just 83.1 miles per hour on his fastball during his career. But he has nonetheless found success thanks to his unusual delivery, mixing in a sinker and a slider with his four-seamer.
Perhaps because he isn’t a fireballer, Rogers is remarkably durable. He has never been on the major league injured list. From his debut in August of 2019 to the present, he has appeared in 392 big league games. That’s the most in the majors in that span.
The quantity is great but the quality is also impressive. Rogers has a 2.79 earned run average in his 396 2/3 innings. His 18.2% strikeout rate is subpar but his 4.6% walk rate and 56.5% ground ball rate are both excellent figures. This year, he’s been even better than before. He has a 1.80 ERA this season, along with a 20.2% strikeout rate, 2.1% walk rate and 64.4% grounder rate. He induces heaps of weak contact, as shown by his blood-red Statcast page. His average exit velocity, barrel rate and hard hit rate are all at least in the 94th percentile of qualified pitchers. He is making a $5.25MM salary this year, his final year of arbitration. He’ll be a free agent at season’s end.
The total package is understandably appealing to the Mets. Their bullpen has been ravaged by injuries this year. Since the season started, they have lost A.J. Minter, Danny Young, Dedniel Núñez, and Max Kranick to season-ending injuries. The bullpen has been a clear priority for them at this deadline. They have already added Gregory Soto and now Rogers gives them another fresh arm. Given all those injuries, Rogers’ durability is surely an attractive feature.
The money is also notable, with Rogers owed less than $1.75MM at this point of the calendar. The Mets are a third-time payor of the competitive balance tax and are above the top threshold, meaning they face a 110% tax on any spending they add to the ledger this week. Some veteran relievers such as Raisel Iglesias or Kenley Jansen are making eight-figure salaries, so the price point on Rogers is a softer hit for the Mets.
To get the player they wanted, it feels like they have given up a lot. Tidwell, 24, was a second-round pick of the Mets in 2022. Since then, he has generally been ranked as one of the club’s top ten prospects. His results since getting up to Triple-A haven’t been astounding. He has a 5.05 ERA in 164 innings at the top minor league level. He’s been a bit better there this year, with a 4.10 ERA, 25.7% strikeout rate and 9.5% walk rate.
Baseball America currently lists Tidwell as the Mets’ #10 prospect. They give him a 50 grade on the 20-80 scale and classify him as high risk. Their report notes that he’ll need to improve his control get become a back-end starter. A month ago, FanGraphs ranked him #7 in the system but with a 45+ grade, noting that he could develop into a mid-rotation guy but with some reliever risk thanks to his control issues and high-effort delivery.
Gilbert, 24, was a first-round pick of the Astros in 2022 but came to the Mets in the August 2023 trade which sent Justin Verlander back to Houston. Gilbert’s stock has dipped a bit since that trade. He missed a decent chunk of 2024 due to a hamstring injury and slashed .205/.313/.371 when he was on the field. This year, he’s been better, with a .246/.349/.435 line and 105 wRC+ in his Triple-A action.
BA ranks him #14 in the Mets’ system, also with a 50 grade and high risk. FanGraphs puts him at #10 with a 45 grade. The latter outlet notes he mostly does damage against fastballs but struggles against spin. He can play all three outfield spots but evaluators generally think it’s a bit of a stretch to have him in center. FanGraphs describes him as a “low-variance fourth outfielder.” He is going to be eligible for the Rule 5 draft in December, meaning he’ll need a 40-man roster spot before then.
Buttó can plug directly into the San Francisco bullpen to replace Rogers. He has thrown 167 big league innings with a 3.45 ERA, 23.5% strikeout rate, 12.2% walk rate and 43.9% ground ball rate. He is out of options and some of this year’s trend lines aren’t good. His strikeout rate was 26.9% last year but has dipped to just 20.7% this season, while his walk rate has stayed high at 11.1%. Perhaps he was going to get squeezed off the Mets’ roster as part of their deadline moves regardless.
Though it might come across a lot to give up for a soft-tossing rental, the Mets may not have had Gilbert or Buttó in their long-term plans. As mentioned, Gilbert was going to need a 40-man spot in a few months’ time. If the Mets view him as a future Quad-A outfielder and not an everyday regular, perhaps they could find another use for that roster spot. Buttó is out of options and might have been trending towards being designated for assignment.
For the Giants, there’s undoubtedly a lot to like in this haul. They hovered in the playoff race for a lot of the year but have been cold lately and are now five games back of a playoff spot. It was reported earlier that they would be listening to offers on their relievers. Rogers, as mentioned, is a 34-year-old impending free agent.
The Giants have swapped him out for Buttó. That makes their bullpen worse today but Rogers was on his way out the door anyway and perhaps they can find a way to get Buttó back on track. With Tidwell, they add some immediate rotation depth, something which has been an issue this year.
They have Logan Webb and Robbie Ray as a strong one-two but question marks after. They flipped Kyle Harrison and Jordan Hicks to the Red Sox in the Rafael Devers deal. Verlander is an impending free agent. Landen Roupp is currently shelved with elbow inflammation. Hayden Birdsong had some encouraging results earlier in the year but recently struggled enough to get sent down to Triple-A. The club will likely look for more starting pitching in the offseason but Tidwell can jump into that depth mix alongside guys like Roupp, Birdsong, Trevor McDonald, Mason Black and others.
Gilbert gives them some extra outfield depth. They will go into 2026 with Heliot Ramos and Jung Hoo Lee in two spots, but Mike Yastrzemski is an impending free agent. Guys like Luis Matos, Wade Meckler, Grant McCray, Marco Luciano and Daniel Johnson are on the 40-man roster. Assuming Gilbert gets a roster spot this fall, he’ll jump into that mix.
If Tidwell becomes a mid-rotation guy or Gilbert develops into an everyday outfielder, perhaps the Mets will feel they overpaid. But there are some reasons to expect those things might not come to pass, so it seems they felt it was a risk worth taking in order to get Rogers and upgrade their bullpen for the stretch run and postseason. Relievers tend to become more important in the playoffs, when off-days allow the top guys to pitch almost every game.
This could be the first of a handful of sell-side moves the Giants make. Verlander is an impending free agent, though he has a full no-trade clause and 4.53 ERA, which could complicate talks. Yastrzemski and Wilmer Flores are impending free agents as well. Camilo Doval still has a couple of years of club control but could be on the move as well.
Hjelle, 28, is known for his height and ability to induce ground balls. Listed at 6’11”, he has 149 2/3 big league innings under his belt with a 5.11 ERA, 21.8% strikeout rate, 6.6% walk rate and 56% ground ball rate. His numbers have trended in the wrong direction this year, with a 15.1% strikeout rate and 42.3% grounder rate. That’s a small sample of 15 innings, as he’s mostly been in the minors this year. In his 40 1/3 Triple-A innings this season, he has a 2.90 ERA, 26.2% strikeout rate, 6% walk rate and 51.9% ground ball rate.
The Giants could try to find a trade partner for Hjelle in the next 24 hours. If not, he’ll have to go on waivers. He can be optioned for the rest of this year and could perhaps appeal to clubs looking for pitching depth, though he’ll be out of options next year.
Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic first reported that Taylor was headed to the Mets. Robert Murray of FanSided first reported that Tidwell and Gilbert would be part of the three-player return. Joel Sherman of The New York Post was first on Buttó’s inclusion.
Photos courtesy of Matt Kartozian, Kelley L Cox, Tim Vizer, Charles LeClaire and Sam Navarro, Imagn Images.
No just for doval to be traded
*now
[Doval] The sooner the better!
For Blake Tidwell & Drew Gilbert? This market is crazy
Thats a haul and a half
Agree. Nice trade for the Gigantes.
Not really. It’s okay for a rental but only Butto is assured of helping SF. Gilbert has a little pop but his value is in his CF defense. Tidwell is a lottery ticket.
Gilbert’s CF defense isn’t even that highly rated. Scouts don’t consider him an every day player there. They tab him for a corner OF f his HR power improves, or a 4th OF if it does not. For the record, he’s improved in both areas this season. But for now…..
No way. Doval is a project. Mets are trying to win. That’s an overpay. Those guys could be on the move for something more reliable.
He’s pretty nasty just walks too many dudes
Project? Granted Doval is what Earl Weaver would call a “full pack”, but I trust you know that Camilo has 107 career saves, a 1.26 career WHIP and is a former all-star
Ah, good ol’ Full-Pack Don Stanhouse. More walks than strikeouts in his MLB career.
He’s not a “project.” Unless by “project” you mean he needs to get his head out of the clouds and throw strikes. Doesn’t cover first base, walks way too many batters, pitch clock violations, and oh those pesky pitch com malfunctions.
They traded for Rogers, the most reliable reliever in baseball, not Doval.
Overpay is an understatement, another crap deal by the Mets! A 34-year-old rental; what a joke.
Giants fleece the Mets again.
Even if Gilbert could be considered serviceable, he is better than any CF on the roster now. But now there is no hope in the minors.
As a long time Mets fan, I can only root for them to lose now; something has to change, lose the rest of the way out and get rid of the management.
The management may change but the clown show stays the same!
Yeah, it’s not like they went to the NL Championship or anything last year.
Keep up with the losing, loser.
Gee personal attack over my opinion; that shows a lot.
Your opinion included name-calling.
WS is a joke; this team as a Mets fan it’s not going to happen; that’s why we wanted to keep our prospects. Mets have the 4rth worst average with RISP and only .004 percentage points from the worst.
Scored 0 runs today and 1 run yesterday in being swept by the Padres.
No way this plays in the playoffs; take it to the bank this team is getting blown out early!
They can sign all the Bullpen pieces they want; you have to score to win.
Thats the loser; wait and see!
nonsense. the missing link is that the mets needed strong relievers and they now have them. before these 3 major improvements they had a relief corp that took took their turn giving up runs one after another. .
Average with RISP isn’t sticky. It varies a lot over small samples. Just another luck-based stat.
It sounds like a lot. But it might not be.
Tidwell is now about 5th behind, McLean, Sproat, Tong, and don’t forget Christian Scott.on the SP prospect depth chart And he is still just a project. One that might run out of options before he actually sticks as a major leaguer here.
Gilbert has been hyped more by the NY press (and fans) than by the scouts and analysts wove mostly pegged him as a starting corner – if he improves his HR power – or a 4th OF if he does not. Plus Benge is providing more offense and better defense than Gilbert did in A+ and AA. And Morabito is also performing well as a fallback.
High price or not, they were expendable.
The Giants replaced Rogers with Butto who had a 2.55 ERA in ’24 and has 5 years of team control and added Tidwell and Gilbert.
I guess the Mets figure they don’t have room on the 40 man for Gilbert and believe he will get selected in the rule 5 draft. He is a nice throw in to a Tidwell and Butto for Rogers trade.
I think there was some glad handing in this deal, Posey says, “I owe you one down the road,” sort of deal.
I thought Rogers was amazing when he pitched against us, but him being a rental makes me wonder why Tidwell needed to be in this,
Because Tidwell is a completely expendable spare part. He’s been erratic and mediocre in AAA, even after a full year there,
What, exactly, do you think Tidwell is? And where does he fit into the Mets future behind SPs Scott, McLean, Sproat, and Tong?
I think he is a second round pick out of the SEC with a 10.9 K/9 ratio in AA in ’24 and a 9.9 K/9 ratio in AAA in ’25. I think he is a pitcher with a four seamer that sits 96 mph. Needs to improve his sinker and his changeup. Doesnt have a great breaking ball. At the worst he has the makings of a good bullpen arm.
Butto is going to be real good, could be in the rotation one day. Sits 95 mph, has a good slider and a plus sweeper and has a good changeup. If he can improve his sinker he will be real good.
Both are potentially rotation pieces and at the worst good bullpen arms.
Tidwell and Butto are expendable with the Mets depth as is Gilbert but its a lot to give up.
Mets overpayed for a top flight reliever that wasnt once rumored to be on the market from my recollection, I could be wrong. They went out and got their guy and paid up, good trade.
I thought it was a misprint. No way for those two.
Great move
DK! MMO says hello.
Rogers boys on the move.
Hoping Mets pair them up again with PIT deal
In the 10 man bullpen?
Clutch
Agree!
Tyler did better.
Should’ve went to Minnesota though.
Honestly thought this was the guy the Pirates just got. I was like well that was quick.
@hannibal8us. He’s the twin brother that throws submarine and better.
Theyre on a train bound from nowhere…..they met up with a gambler…..they were BOTH too tired to sleep 💤
Tyler to the Mets, Taylor to the Pirates. Twin brothers traded in the same day. Wow.
Taylor next. Put the brother act back together.
Love what the Mets are doing. Bring in the arms!
Your move Phillies.
Waiting on Cashman and Hoyer to pick up a bullpen piece.
Duran or Jax.
If the Mets have to overpay this much for Rogers then how much is Duran going to cost for Philly??? Painter and more?
Sounds like Painter is off limits but everyone else is in the table.
Maybe I’m in the minority, but I can’t stand seeing top prospects moved in trades for relievers. I would never be able to deal a top 5 prospect for any relief pitcher.
@alltime: “I would never be able to deal a top 5 prospect for any relief pitcher.”
Well, you didn’t see that here, so rest easy. Gilbert is not a Mets top 5 prospect. Benge, Sproat, McLean, Tong, and Jett Williams are all easily ahead of Gilbert. Then you have guys like Ryan Clifford. MLB pipeline’s new list has Gilbert as the Mets #12 prospect. Tidwell is #10.
What happened to Gilbert’s value? He was so valuable not too long ago
I’m fine with it, but I just wish he wasn’t a FA in three months.
He kept playing baseball is what happened,
Looks like Phillies paid less for more in this case. We got Duran without Painter.
When is David Robertaon ready to pitch? He mat be better than any traded for bullpen arm.
Excellent. Hope the acquisition cost was, uh, minimal.
Doubt it. But essential for the Mets.
Minimal in that he’s a rental but he’s as reliable as they come. He should have been worth somethjng
#10 and #12 org prospects for the Mets,who both have huge potential. Seems like an overpay, if anything.
Especially with Gilbert he’s not a just a normal 10th rated prospect has been preforming well in Triple A had a good track record before the injury last year
Seemed like a big overpay to me for Rogers – he is a rental, is he not?
This is the time of year for overpaying, for sure. Mets got what they wanted and needed. Good deal.
Not at all, even if it was for a rental. Mets fans will be pleased. Giants long-term probably not. But again, Rogers is a rental.
Remember – when one judges a trade, the initial take is based upon the potential returns of that same package for other players at the current prospect values.
Down the road it is a different equation. But it seems to me that at the current prospect trade values for that group, one could have managed to get a substantially more impactful return right now. In a year, who knows but at this moment in time? Gotta’ think so.
He’s only been very good in AAA for a month now, and solid for the previous month.
1) Don’t overstate the value of a track record at AA and below. Especially when that is followed by
2) struggling in AAA for several months before finding the stride – He struggled for two months after his return from the injury last year, and again for two months this year.
And even in AA, his ability to be a starter was questioned by the scouts: his HR power was light for a corner, and his CF defense was not good enough to start there.
Huge potential lol Tidwell has been dropping on every list and is now considered most likely a middle reliever or a AAAA starter he’s Mets 6th best pitching prospect though admittedly I’m counting Christian Scott who graduated from the list. He has 1 major league caliber pitch, his fastball. Gilbert has average MLB OF ceiling with 20HR possibly if all goes right.
It won’t be a substantial return. Get real creature.
Tidwell and Gilbert. Kind of substantial.
hate to break it to you but…
Oh and Jose Butto
This didn’t age well at all
Tidwell, Gilbert, and Butto is a pretty solid haul for the Giants for a rental reliever.
And Butto
The Giants just got.a haul
It’s fairly considerable yes. More than I expected for Tyler. Those are not high ceiling guys.
Nonetheless, SF could conceivably have a rotation with:
Carson Seymour
Jose Butto
Blade Tidwell
Go GiantMets.
No, not really.
Butto has primarily been a reliever since 2024.
Both very expendable. The Mets have 5 MLB starters returning next year, and four SP prospects who are/will be ahead of Tidwell on the depth chart (C. Scott, Sproat, McLean, and Tong). Plus Tidwell looks nowhere near MLB ready, and by March will have used 2 of is 3 options.
When, where, and in what capacity was he going to make it with the Mets?
Nimmo and Soto are here long term, and Benge has surpassed Gilbert as the team’s best OF prospect.
And he was effective as a SP before Stearns.
Both very expendable. Tidwell still struggling to find any kind of consistency. Both have better players who’ve leapfrogged them on the depth chart.
It was a bad trade. Gilbert, Tidwell and Butto
Yea. We overpaid. Crazy market.
3 cheeseburgers.
No room on the 40 man in December.
Butto is not Butto this year. Not sure what the issues are.
Rogers is a huge upgrade over mediocre Butto. The prospects are very mediocre.
It was.
Goodbye, sweet prince. I always enjoyed watching you draw soft contact from hitters. Lead the Mets to the promised land; our Giants just can’t figure it out this year.
Move Phillies? Dombrowski likes to sleep walk through deadlines and wait till the final hour or so to add fringe pieces
You’re kidding right? Rogers is having a career year. Isn’t getting hit, walking anybody or giving up HR. Just because he’s not striking out 30% of hitters you think they should do better?
Agree he instantly becomes best reliever in Mets bullpen not named Diaz.
I think It’s just the fact he’s a rental. I’m surprised we needed to use Tidwell to get him.
5 years of butto tidwell and Gilbert for 3 months of this dude 🤣
That assumes that Tidwell and Gilbert amount to something meaningful.
I liked Tidwell’s fastball, but I guess Sterns saw something he didn’t like.
hmm.. mabe it was the walk rate. Or the getting shelled every other start, even in AAA…..
or… none of the above. Simply the fact that the Mets are flush with SP prospects who are better than Tidwell.
That’s the problem it’s his only average to plus pitch, he’s ticketed for a career in middle relief.
They really don’t. That’s a good rotation.
Umm…bullpen. Lol. Dunno why I said rotation. That needs an upgrade.
Wow nice. Got an elite arm vs lefties and now an elite arm vs righties.
he is probably one of the best relief arms available if not the best
Throwing some thunder from down under.
Brothers will unite in NY
They need to do better than one of the best middle relievers in the game? Nonsense.
It would be great to see how teama react to seeing Rogers throwing pus but ous that moves all over, followed by Diaz throwing smoke.
The change in rhe type of pitches the opponents will see will be like night and day.
Roger that, Rogers.
Brazoban will be in the minors for the rest of 2025, unless there’s a spate of bullpen injuries.
Reliability is critical for a pennant race. See ya next year Huascar.
Butto, you’re next.
Butto is part of the deal
He’s in the deal.
Article updates…
I was on the right track.
I can’t stand watching Butto in 2025. What happened?
Good move by sf this guys lost them a half dozen games this year. Well he hasn’t lost it for them he’s just given up runs. Their inability to score has more to do w them losing
He has giving up 10 ER all year but he’s responsible for losing 6 games? People’s expectations of relievers are crazy.
Best of luck w him but if frustrations occur come back to this thread let’s chat about it
Awful awful trade for maybe 30 innings of a guy at most. Absolute panic move. Only way you save this is by overpaying for an extension and having him avoid free agency.
None of this even matters if Lindor and Alonso don’t get their crap together and start hitting like at least average starters.
23 don’t understand trades.
One elite reliever for 3 cheeseburgers.
Sad to say, this is a .500 team since the quarter season mark.
Alonso hit to a 1.143 OPS the first five weeks, carrying the team. Since then? .703. He went from Aaron Judge to :Ryan McMahon at the plate his last 307 PA.
Whatever Pete found, he lost it three months ago. Hard to believe it wasn’t mostly good luck, at this point.
Have you even watched a Giants game this year? Or any year since 2019? Because you would have seen one of the nastiest pitches in the majors. Sure, he’s had a few bad outings but overall? Look at the numbers. They’re insane.
He has been good in the past but all the runs he’s given up this year seem to result in losses eg last night
Did you watch last night’s game? He was victimized by poor fielding (Devers at first/not covering first), as well as some bad bounces. Literally.
Ya I watched last nights game ya know who the victim is? You and me. Great trade
Yooooo —
You are completely wrong. Tyler Rogers is consistently—over many years—lights out. Mets just got an excellent guy for the 7th or 8th inning.
He’s been good in the past but the giants have lost several games in which they were tied or close this year on runs he’s given up. They got a good return for him and they’re clearly not going to make the playoffs so how is it not a good trade
Farhan Syndrome.
You just got 3 mediocre players.
Good luck.
The best relievers in baseball give up runs. Your perception is anecdotal, and is skewed by the fact that the Giant’s hitters have been pi$$ poor at scoring runs. Plenty of pitchers give up runs without the team losing.
Rogers has made 53 appearances, and the Giants won 33 of them. That’s a .623 winning percentage. In the losses the team averaged 2.55 runs per game. The Giants would have won more of those games had the hitters been able to score more than that pitiful average of 2.55 runs per game.
Exactly. Yes, Tyler Rogers has given up six runs in his three losses. That’s kind of how losses happen. In his FIFTY other appearances, he’s given up…four ER, four BB, and struck out 37.
As a Cubs fan, I’m incredibly jealous. If the Mets are ahead after 7, it’s essentially game over.
Trevor and Jake next!
Nice move. But I came for the inevitable LFGMets trolling comments.
You sir, will NOT be disappointed.
Gilbert to rent a 34 year old submariner who could fall apart at any moment? Terrible for NYM
Terrible is an overstatement. Check BA, BP, MLB.com, Fangraphs, Kyle Daniels, etc…. most of the scouts and analytics project him as a 4th OF. It is the NY press and fans that have hyped him into something more. Plus Benge, a better prospect, is coming up fast and could leapfrog Gilbert by mid-’26 anyway.
Benge just leaped Gilbert.
“…to rent a 34 year old submariner who could fall apart at any moment?”
Did you even read the article or know anything about how he pitches? Here’s a small sample for you to test drive:
“Perhaps because he isn’t a fireballer, Rogers is remarkably durable. He has never been on the major league injured list. From his debut in August of 2019 to the present, he has appeared in 392 big league games. That’s the most in the majors in that span.”
Busty, Yeah. It’s clear he did not bother to read the article. Just straight to the comments with a bad take.
wow mets got fleeced!!! gilbert, tidwell + 3rd player for 2 months of 35yr old RP!!!
this is what happens when u dont sign RPs in offseason. end up trading away valuable prospects midseason
“35 year old RP” who is one of the best relievers in baseball this year. Did you forget that half of the Mets bullpen was decimated by season ending injuries? Forget the AJ Minter signing?
Posey sending a clear message. No Giant is safe this trade deadline
I applaud Posey for taking care of business. Hopefully this is just the first roster shakeup & more to come bc it was def needed
Hated to see Rogers leave. Hopefully he will have much success with the Mets )just so it not against Giants)
Others better have their bags packed & ready to say their goodbyes
DAY OF RECKONING HAS ARRIVED!
Redwolves3: The Giants will see him at Citi Field this weekend.
Gilbert will turn into a Pete Crow Armstrong and the Mets are going to regret this. Mets gave up to much for a 34 year old, even if it’s a trade and sign for 2 years. Buto had his ups and downs, I’ve always liked him. He was our only long reliever also. Good luck to the three of them!
FWIW Drew Gilbert is a year-and-a-half older than Pete Crow-Armstrong.
There are no long relievers anymore. Butto is now a “bulk” reliever, which means he can consistently give you two innings. And he hasn’t gone any longer than that at all this year. Anyone who goes longer in relief is typically a starter who is “piggybacking”. And the Mets have 3 SP prospects who can be used in that capacity next year.
Keep posting geofft.
I’d rather have not given up Gilbert, but Benge and Williams make him expendable I suppose.
Right? Am surprised they got Gilbert. Rogers is consistently effective though.
The key word is consistently. Hope it continues.
I wanted Gilbert as the centerpiece in a Robert return.
Wow, just heard Butto + Gilbert + Tidwell.
Breakdown:
Butto – not needed. Not enough Ks. Inconsistent.
Gilbert – trading at near peak value. Redundant. Benge is infinitely better.
Tidwell – Mets must not like him. Not enough out pitches. Not a high ceiling guy.
Who’s being real now?
Good trade for the Mets. They’re in it to win it and sorely need to upgrade the bullpen. It wouldn’t surprise me if they add two more relievers. A lefty like Danny Coulombe would be a great fit. Then a power arm to set up for Diaz.
Good trade for both teams. Giants only make the playoffs if they hit, so Butto is a fine replacement for 30 innings of Rogers. Then they got two near mlb prospects which could be good for a guy expiring contract.
And the Mets got a pure gamer who has been as consistent as anyone so that they can make a real run at a ring this year. This is how trades should be
Gilbert should replace Yaz. Yaz should be dealt for whatever.
Wow they gave up a ton for him.
A ton of mediocrity. Could even be a metric shi* ton, but it’s still mediocrity.
Holy crap what a return. Tidwell AND Gilbert? The is a huge signal to every team in baseball, get your relievers on the market NOW. There’s desperation in the air.
Tidwell, at least currently, is nothing special. He can throw hard but he’s very hittable.
Tidwell has C Scott, Mclean, Sproat ahead of him on the SP prospect depth chart already. Tong ready to bypass him. by the time the Mets work through those players, Tidwell would be out of options.
Scouts are not sold on Gilbert as a starting OF. The NY press got too excited too early and oversold him and the fan base ate it up.
I thought Tong was considered their #1 pitching prospect?
I’m not talking about how they are rated. I’m referring to where they are in their development now. Scott has seem some success in the majors. McLean is the only SP recently who has adjusted to AAA immediately. Sproat struggled for a while in AAA, and has found success there recently. Tong is still in AA.
Next year, the picture could change and tong could surpass others. But right now, this is where they are.
Fans get too carried away with and place too much emphasis on rankings. Those only rank the player’s tools, and his eventual ceiling. Not his timeline.
The rank is also the current projections on what they’d do at higher levels. Just because a prospect has held their own in a few starts (Scott) doesn’t mean they’re necessarily better equipped to succeed at the highest level. It means they got the opportunity.
First, the rank is not on what they will do – its only on what their ceiling is.
But none of that is the point. I listed the players by where they are in the hierarchy. Right now, the Mets have a full rotation. As of this moment, the order that I’ve listed them speaks to where [I believe] they will be come spring training.
I know that has noting to do with where they end up 2 or 3 or 6 years from now. Heck, it could even change during ST. But thats just where things stand now. How they are ranked on some pundits’ numerical list is not the point, and has no bearing on what is now.
Mets really got screwed. Stearns sucks
I will Never remember this post.
Most (not elite) prospects never amount to anything. Rogers is getting better results than most of the big name relievers on the market. Those big name relievers would cost Mets top prospects. No top prospects moved in this trade. No top 100. No top 150. Nothing substantial. I’m not ready to give up
Sproat
Tong
McLean
Benge
Jett
For a bigger name reliever.
The prices must be sky high for Helsley, Duran, Jax, Miller, Smith etc.
Those 3 for just Rogers ? That’s nuts, for Mason Miller maybe but not Rogers , Jeez
Those 3 don’t even sniff Miller
I love getting Rogers, but that is a hefty sum. Butto is a solid BP piece and Gilbert is getting better by the week. Tidwell probably won’t be any more than a back end starter or middle reliever. Big price for a rental but they desperately needed bullpen help.
Wow David Stearns was robbed! For a rental that’s alot!
Three good Mets pieces in this deal. Mets FO still can’t evaluate their own prospects. Lol Mets
There is no concession from the scouts as to how good these prospects are. Only the NY press misinterpretation of the reports, which the fans happily used to gaslight themselves.
@geofft: Robrock30 is an anti-Mets troll. They could trade Brazobán straight up for Ohtani and he’d still be ripping the move.
You’re on fire g.
*Three mediocre players.
Wilpons Derangement Syndrome won’t die for decades.
But you can?
That’s a big haul back for a rental. Hope Gilbert isn’t the next PCA.
He isn’t.
Seems like a bit of an overpay by the Mets no?
Since the Giants are unable to draft and develop their own outfielders, they are left with no choice other than signing free agents & trading for them.
Great trade for SF! The NYM’s desperation shows in this trade.
Desperate to use mediocre prospect capital and mediocre pitchers for a talented reliever?
Stearns is not done. I expect the Mets to be deadline winners (and no, I am not a Mets fan).
hardly anyone recognizes that these are mediocre prospects. The NY press did a great job gaslighting the hope-starved fans on these guys two years ago.
…and I thought Zaidi was good at fleecing folks in trades. 🤩🤩
JDD is killing it in ???
Where?
Holy Thomas Szapucki sightings BatMan.
Put Gilbert in the lineup soon so SF can steal a base before September.
Great move by the Mets. Tyler Rogers may not light up the radar gun, but he’s one of the most effective relievers in baseball this year, sub2.00 ERA, elite control, and almost zero hard contact. His funky submarine delivery gives the bullpen a totally different look and makes him a perfect bridge to Díaz imo
Advanced metrics love him (low xwOBA, top-tier first-strike rate), and old-school guys will appreciate how consistent and durable he is, already over 50 appearances this season with each year before producing consistent numbers.
His salary is super reasonable too, $5.25M for 2025, and he’s a free agent after the season. That makes him a low-risk rental with serious upside, especially for a team needing reliable late-inning arms. Don’t think the Mets will have to give up too much.
This is a smart blend of analytics and baseball sense. Solid pickup imo
I stand corrected. Haul and a half.
Nah. We have better players than Tidwell and Butto. Rogers replaces Butto. IMMEDIATE UPGRADE. Tidwell is trade bait. He’s not high ceiling talent. Gilbert: trade him right now.
Who exactly did we really lose?
Who has even a moderate understanding of the 40 man roster come Rule 5 time in December?
You can only protect 40.
Mets weren’t protecting any of those guys.
Trade them NOW.
A rental, a rental. Everything you said would be fine if they had a year or two. Are we supposed to assume that Uncle Steve is going to outbid everybody for him? Gilbert makes it an overpay.
Not at all. Mets will love him down the stretch and in the WS.
“Are we supposed to assume that Uncle Steve is going to outbid everybody for him?” Um. Yes?
Agreed so many people freaking out, prospects are exactly that, no guarantees, Tidwell IMO wont be much, probably end up a reliever with 4 plus era, Gilbert is a question mark, Butto could be a 5th starter but bottom line is the Mets needed a great bullpen arm for the run.
Another rare and accurate prospect analysis. If nothing else, this trade has drawn several of them to the forefront.
I mean, like man, they are the very definition of prospect capital for an upgrade like this. This is Stearns prototype deal. Give up nothing and get something even if it’s just for 2-3 months. Rogers > Butto. Prospects whatever.
The market has been set…. if this is the return for a 34 year old RP, then those younger arms with years left on their contract will get a large return. Buckle up kiddos!
Clase’ coming off the market has raised the price on valuable relief.
That was pretty expensive…😱
Gilbert is too steep for a reliever. They can have Tidlywinks the worthless prospect and Butto, but Gilbert is an overpay.
Absolutely right.
Why? What, exactly, is Gilbert? Barely showing 20 HR power in a AAA park that leans slightly hitter friendly, and CF defense that is not regarded as good enough to play there every day. That equals a 4th OF.
Benge is superior in both categories.
That’s a pretty good return for a rental.
Related to ROD TIDWELL?? Represented by JERRY MAGUIRE ??
Show me the money!
Can’t believe Tyler Roger’s was traded. Noooooo!!!
Call the cops, the Mets got robbed!
Gross overpay by the Mets!
Mets would have been better off getting a decent starter ( for example, Andrew Heaney or someone like that) and moving Clay Holmes to the bullpen for the rest of the year to monitor his innings Then return Holmes to a starter again next year. San Francisco Giants fans have stated that Rogers has lost a bunch of games by letting inherited runners score, but that’s not in his numbers that people are looking at.
juggernaut: Andrew Heaney is not a decent starter, and the deadline is still 24 hours away.
They likely have more irons in the fire and probably will add more pitching.
There should be an “inherited runs scored” stat. I know, what out and what base they are on matters, but a simple percentage would be interesting.
Clay Holmes was the Yankee closer last summer until he started leading the league in blown saves. Moving him back to the bullpen would be your typical LOLmets move.
Why do the Mets love overpaying SF. They did in the Ruf trade and now this.
The Ruf trade was bad because I felt they could have gotten Wilmer back for that, but it hasn’t been spectacular for the Giants either. Seymour is a AAAA player for them but the rest are gone, I believe.
Maybe the felt they could’ve gotten Wilmer, but they’d be wrong. Wilmer is much beloved in SF, and would’ve cost more than Ruf.
Nick Zwack is still with them, but he just got back from TJS recently and was in AA last I saw. That said, where they are now isn’t the point. JD Davis would’ve been a decent stopgap between Escobar’s steep and quick decline and Baty’s readiness.
Rogers has been great but that’s too much to give up for a rental reliever.
Ooof…that’s quite the return for the SF G’s.
The Mets traded their first- and second-round picks of the 2022 draft … both out of the University of Tennessee.
Of course, the Astros selected Gilbert in the first round of the 2022 draft before trading Gilbert to the Mets.
metzfan Gilbert is hitting .240 and Tidwell has failed at the major league level twice. Just got one of the best relievers in baseball for a playoff run
Exactly, Butto is a loss but we needed a great reliever to go with Diaz, the rest of the pen has lots of ups and downs.
mets fan here – what an insane overpay. gilbert and tidwell are studs and we just traded them + butto for a rental middle reliever.
absolutely awful move.
Calamitous post. Wilpons Derangement Syndrome. None of these 3 are good enough for the current Mets. You are living in the past.
You’ll eat your words come the playoffs.
FLEECED!!!
I know Gilbert was a top prospect when he was traded for Verlander(?) way back when. Can any Mets fans give us Giants fans some insight on our return? Tyler is a beast and you’ll love watching his funky mechanics.
you guys just fleeced my metsies. two young studs for a rental middle reliever. terrible, terrible move by stearns.
lol what? Tidwell has been awful at AAA and the majors this year. Gilbert has been terrible since his injury last year and is already 25. Butto is the best player in this trade going to SF.
@ jk2me I’m not upset in losing GIlbert. But stop the hyperbole and be accurate. Gilbert started hitting two months ago, and gotten hotter as that has gone along. – .763 OPs in June, and 1.035 in July. That plus his improvements in CF defense have actually raised his stock.
Read all of my posts.
Gilbert missed most of 2024.
He’s 25 next month.
.785 OPS in AAA.
BIG WHOOPEEE.
Where and when is he playing for the Mets?
RF. Not for a long time.
LF. Not for a long time.
CF. He’s not a CF. Benge and Jett are better prospects.
@ mattwild The NY press actually overhyped Gilbert when the Mets acquired him. As recently as this past spring, the scouting reports were still projecting his ceiling as starting corner OF, or 4th OF, depending on whether his HR power improves. His CF defense was said to be adequate in a pinch, but not for regular use there.
That said, he’s improved a lot over these past two months, and has been swinging a very hot bat since the tail end of June. (he’s hit 14 HRs on the year, but 10 of them have come in June/July). He is eligible for Rule 5 after this year, so the Giants will likely need to protect him to be safe.
Big Titty is going to be a pretty good starter or potential closer. He throws gas. Butto was just overworked, but generally decent. Gilbert is probably a fourth OF, but he’s still young and he might thrive in a new environment. It’s his third team already, so that usually says something.
For a rental, a big overpay. I’m surprised Stearns would do this, I really am.
“Big overpay..surprised Stearns”…Exactly. Because athletes are so easy to quantify and always pan out as superstars after they’re traded.
I’m guessing that David Stearns must’ve been running a chicken and goat farm the last several years, not leading the Brewers to a series of division titles and playoff appearances.
Dont like losing gilbert. Younger Nimmo. a lot for a rental. Better resign him. He is a unique piece bulpen can use. But way too much. Unless Mets getting a minor piece back as well
nothing about his player profile even closely resembles Nimmo. Gilbert has been middling in AAA and will be 25 before seasons end with no real place on the 40 man for next year.
Nice return for the Giants.
This trade deadline is picking up steam today.
That’s some hefty cost for a rental reliever
I don’t understand the Mets trading so much for rental. Perhaps the reporting is wrong or there’s multi-team deal here.
And now Butto is back in the Mets bullpen after leaving it following tears.
Well, Buto is back in the Mets pen.
And he’s gone again, this time from the dugout.
As quickly as he came back, he was gone again. Butto, we hardly knew ye.
9 years with the team. I didn’t realize that.
Rogers was a great Giant but I am glad they are getting what they can for guys with value, instead of continuing the treadmill of mediocrity of the last few years. Hopefully we got at least one keeper in this trade. Rooting for the Mets to win it all since the Giants roster is pretty much gutless/hopeless.
The Mets are getting one of the best relievers in baseball, which they need desperately, so despite what sure looks like an overpay, I’m not all that worked up about this one. Gilbert is the one risk — hopefully Gilbert doesn’t develop into a real quality major leaguer while Rogers departs at the end of 2025. I’m honestly fine with everything else. Blade Tidwell does not look like he has much upside, he reminded me of the 2024 version of Adrian Houser in his few starts at the big league level so far. Butto, he’s a thrower and not a pitcher. I think the Mets could realistically win this trade despite how lopsided it looks on the face of it.
I agree that adding Gilbert was too much.
Good move for both teams. Who cares if it’s an overpay? They’re trying to win, now.
What is crazy that Stearns traded for him in the Hader trade and sucked after Milwaukee got him. Think he would’ve learned his lesson
Wrong Rogers twin.
Love getting Rogers. Gives the Mets a nice 7-9 with him Soto and Diaz. Moves Garrett and Stanek lower in the pecking order.
Don’t like giving up Gilbert, but prices are only going to increase for relievers. Butto won’t be missed. Tidwell is the cost of doing business.
Just wished the third guy wasn’t Gilbert.
Benge made him expendable. With Nimmo and Soto locked in at the corners, Gilbert didn’t really have a path. Just an expensive deal for the Mets considering they retained salary in the Verlander deal to acquire Gilbert.
Enter stage left Ryan Helsley…
Butto and Tidwell are on the 40 man, and Butto is on the active, so no need to open a spot. They will have an extra 40 man spot open after the trade. So you can clear out the roster spot sentence.
That seems like an awful lot for Tyler Rogers
Is it just me or does this seem like a Pete Crow-Armstrong for Javy Baez debacle all over again??
Hopefully,our OF has stunk since 2008.
Not even close. That Mets team was a few games over .500 It was so porous, even after getting Lindor that year, that they had to go out and sign 3 more starting position players, plus Scherzer the following off season. This team went to the LCS last year, and is leading the division now. And Defensively, Gilbert couldn’t even caddy for PCA in CF.
It’s just you.
Welcome to the neighborhood.
Expensive.
Holy fleece Batman
Baseball Trade Values gives Tyler Rogers a surplus value of $200,000 and the three-player return package a surplus value of $26.8 million:
baseballtradevalues.com/trades/196777
Does that take into account where those three players fit in the Mets’ organization in the present and the future?
Stearns should change his name to LYLE because he just made a huge OVERBAY
Mets gave up a lot for a rental, but Rogers is a fine addition. Might as well get his twin brother from the Pirates, who have no need for him.
Stearns now trade Clifford, Baez, Acuna, Dohm and Vientos to A’s for Miller and Rooker.
Or just Vientos for Rooker.
I think it would take Tong or McLean plus others to get Miller. He’s under control until 2030 so it would take a massive package to get him. Sounds like Rooker isn’t on the block.
Looks like this one came together all of a sudden. Gilbert played today in a game that ended less than an hour before this deal was reported.
Mets overpaid but I love Tyler Rogers. Those guys didn’t have a spot on the team. Rogers is a big addition
If the return is good, demand was
high. No surprise there if he was made available. Tyler has an attribute that not many relievers have. Consistent as they come. Even when he gives up a few, it’s generally on the back of infield squibbers. Enjoy Mets. You can feel good when Tyler is walking out there.
Of all the possible extensions the Giants could’ve given out at season’s end, this was the one I was most hopeful for. I’d rather send Doval or Walker any day over Rodgers.
He’s a FA at season’s end. The Giants can sign in the offseason.
3/$39-$45. Great Giant but I’ll pass on that
Don’t worry. They’re next. And the Giants will resign Rogers in the offseason.
Gilbert AAA slash line .233/.334/.417
He turns 25 soon. Nothingburger.
L:et’s not overstate it, Brett…. Gilbert started hitting in early June and has been on fire these past five weeks. Too soon to say if he’s figured it out for good, or if this is just another streak. But dismissing him completely is unwarranted.
He hits fastballs well, is what I am reading.
Breaking pitches are problematic. I like the player, but I am not sure how well he plays in the mlb
PCA
Corbin Carroll.
He’s not them.
Jake McCarthy?
Alek Thomas?
He’s definitely useful for SF. He’s a gamer.
I don’t hate him. He was acquired by the previous GM. Stearns drafted Benge. Benge is incredible so far.
Mets got an elite reliever. The arm angle is a benefit to the entire bullpen. Ridiculously low walk rate. Ridiculously no IL stints ever.
Tyler Rogers is elite.
Buster got some talent for him.
What gets me reading some of these comments saying the Mets gave up too much for Rogers but think that Rogers just might get you over the hump into the playoffs. A WS trophy shines longer than a prospect that maybe 3 or 4 years away. I thought the Mets fans wanted a playoff team this year instead of a prospect.
WS this team as a Mets fan is not going to happen; that’s why we wanted to keep our prospects. Mets have the 4rth worst average with RISP and only .004 percentage points from the worst.
Scored 0 runs today and 1 run yesterday in being swept by the Padres.
No way this plays in the playoffs; take it to the bank this team is getting blown out early!
Tidwell’s AAA numbers
164 IP
5.05 ERA
Needs an out pitch in the worst way possible.
Butto (out of options, mediocre middle reliever who seems to be getting worse) for elite Rogers.
WHAT AM I MISSING?
Answer: absolutely effing nothing.
Traded 3 McDonald’s cheeseburgers for an El Gaucho steak dinner.
Ha ha ha. We get it.
what a joke. way to much to give for a rental
I know a lot of people are thinking this is an overpay, but have you noticed what other teams have had to trade for a quality player….even a pending free agent.
Rogers is going to solidify the bullpen for the rest of the season and maybe future years if resigned.
The cost: Butto…has been very erratic this season and probably would have been sent to AAA if not traded
Tidwell…. Probably number 5 or more on the depth chart for starting pitchers, not including the 17 pitchers drafted this year
Gilbert….the main piece…starting to pick it up in AAA….but again probably 3rd on depth chart for CF. Good player but expendable.
Have to give something to get something. Looks like a fair trade for both sides.
Wow! The Giants “sold,” but they might have actually improved for this season with this trade.
Wow, the Mets couldn’t have gotten anyone better for that package of players. I thought Gilbert was highly thought of by the Mets.
Too highly thought of by the fans and NY press. Only moderately well-thought of (if that) by the real baseball world.
That was a steal for the Giants. Smh Mets hit the panic button. #LGM 🤦🏼♂️
Why? Everyone was expendable. Tidwell is nowhere on the SP depth chart next year, and Gilbert is still not a true CF.
Fair win win trade
Mets got Taylor having strong year. Didn’t give up anything too high ceiling but not a bargain either. Giants did well for rental. Gilbert seems to be a average RF floor. Tidwell could make a better reliever than starter. Mets can replace those prospects so I like trade for them but fair all around.
A rare A and A from you?
Could be. Usually win win is just a team paid the market going rate. But NY got their man without giving up anything to cry over and Giants got prospects but also a MLB reliever so they can keep trying to contend. Rays did that with catcher. I really like the trade rentals replace them. More teams should do it.
Trades generally been fair so far. Really liked getting rid of bad back Hayes for Pirates though. Nothing too crazy though. If Padres want someone though AJ won’t be denied. Philly can get a bit crazy.
Avoid using noun Butto with verb plug.
Mets got fleeced..Taylor’s FIP is not sustainable and unless they address CF before the end of the deadline, this team won’t win in the playoffs.
It was Tyler they acquired, not Taylor.
And it’s not like his FIP is 100-150 points below the mean. It might rise a little, but that’s not a red flag.
Huge overpay by the Mets. And by including Butto in the trade, they have not helped their bullpen depth any.
Could’ve just put Tidwell in the bullpen
Or the veteran with the 1.80 ERA.
It’s probably gave up too much. Not because Rogers is a bad player, but because these pieces they should have used as supporting cast members in a trade for a high leverage reliever
Rogers is a high leverage reliever who never breaks down.
Massive overpay. Stearns should lose his job if the Mets don’t win the WS.
I can’t tell the hyperbole from the trolling.
Bad trade for a rental. Stearns must think The Wilpons still own the team.
3 cheeseburgers being squeezed off the 40.
Oh the pain.
We have better players. You got this!
Checkmate: Phillies
Very underhanded move by the Giants.
I understand the deal and I understand all of the Mets players/prospects included were underperforming and it’s how deadline deals are done. That said, this feels like a little heavy for an old reliever on an expiring contract. I would have liked to see a minor piece going to Queens or a lesser piece in lieu of Gilbert or Tidwell.
That seems like an overpay…
Mets fans, does this feel like more than for Helsey?
No. Baez is a legit prospect with upside. Gilbert and Tidwell aren’t that good.
This trade is fine. When you’re a contender trading at the dealine you’re going to pay a premium for the pieces you need. A fair trade earlier in the year might have been just Buttò or Buttò and 1 of the prospects for Rogers but the urgency of the deadline gives a seller more leverage.
The Giants don’t need a set-up man if they can’t score enough runs to ever be ahead in the 8th inning, so getting something for a player they’ll lose as a free agent at the end of the season anyway is a win.
It sounds like the two minor leaguers aren’t that highly regarded, so maybe they didn’t give up that much. Some projects for the Giants-maybe they workout. I’m just surprised the Mets surrendered a good reliever to obtain another. It seems counter-productive, but then again I don’t know much about Buttò.
I don’t think the Mets were fleeced in the Darin Ruf trade either. They valued Ruf’s strengths as a part-time player, and it cost them some minor league players, none of whom has done much for the Giants. Seymour has not been up long. He might be good. Zwack was struggling in AA, then was injured. I believe Szapucki is gone from the organization. J.D. Davis seemed like just a throw-in. Who knew Ruf would underperform + Davis would provide the Giants with value-until they added Chapman ?