The Guardians announced this morning that Major League Baseball and the MLB Players’ Association have jointly agreed to extend non-disciplinary administrative leave for hurlers Emmanuel Clase and Luis Ortiz “until further notice.” Clase and Ortiz had both previously been placed on leave amid a gambling investigation last month, but that leave was set to expire today. As the investigation continues, they’ll remain on the sidelines for the foreseeable future. Neither player presently counts against Cleveland’s 40-man roster, and both players will continue to be paid while the league looks into any alleged wrongdoing by the players.
“MLB and the MLBPA have agreed to extend the non-disciplinary paid leave of Cleveland Guardians pitchers Emmanuel Clase and Luis Ortiz until further notice while MLB continues its investigation,” the statement read. “We will not be commenting further until the investigation is completed.”
The investigation had a massive impact on the Guardians this year. Acquiring Ortiz was a major piece of Cleveland’s offseason, as they shipped Andres Gimenez and Nick Sandlin to the Blue Jays in a deal that was headlined by Spencer Horwitz, who then was flipped to the Pirates in exchange for a package headlined by Ortiz. They brought him into the fold on the heels of a 2024 season where he pitched to a 3.32 ERA in 135 2/3 innings of work for the Pirates, and while he posted a middling 4.36 ERA in 16 starts for the Guardians prior to being sidelined by this investigation he was nonetheless a crucial piece of the club’s rotation mix.
As for Clase, his importance to the organization goes without saying. The three-time All-Star made his organizational debut in 2021 and in five seasons since he’s posted a sterling 1.84 ERA with a 2.36 FIP while racking up 181 saves and striking out 24.8% of his opponents. The 27-year-old enjoyed a career year last season that earned him a third place finish in AL Cy Young award voting thanks to an absurd 0.61 ERA in 74 1/3 innings of work in a 47-save campaign. Clase was crucial to the Guardians making the postseason last year, though he did falter in the playoffs as Cleveland fell to the Yankees in five games during the ALCS. A shaky start to the 2025 campaign caused Clase to post an uncharacteristic 3.23 ERA in 47 1/3 innings of work prior to being placed on leave this year, though he began to look more like his usual self after a tough April with a 1.85 ERA from May 1 onward.
The loss of both Ortiz and Clase left the Guardians significantly hampered headed into the second half this year, and while their 68-66 record is enough to put them just three games back of an AL Wild Card spot it’s hard to imagine the team putting together a brilliant September run to make the postseason. They’d need to overtake at least two of the Yankees, Red Sox, Mariners, Royals, and Rangers in order to do so, as all five of those clubs are ahead of Cleveland in terms of the Wild Card race at the moment. Even if the Guards do manage to sneak into October, Chelsea Janes of the Washington Post notes that today’s decision officially rules both Clase and Ortiz out for the playoffs this year because players must be active within their organization on September 1 in order to be eligible to participate in the postseason.
Maddening how long these investigations are talking.
If Aaron Judge was involved they’d have this thing all closed up by last December. And Boone would take the fall.
If it was ohtani a interpreter would take the fall.
I went into that case a bit further down in this thread.
From the fan perspective, I agree. These are seemingly career-ending accusations though. They have to get the right call and give the players the opportunity to defend themselves.
I agree completely CKin, but it’s a pretty bad look when the prodigal son has his inquiry concluded in a month and a few lesser names have theirs go on for months on end. They should have the right to a complete investigation and the right to defend themselves, but they also deserve to have such a matter concluded in a timely manner, regardless of outcome.
Ohtani’s was totally different. Law enforcement led the investigation and not only didn’t find no evidence of guilt but rather guilt by his interpreter. A jury did too, Clearly there was enough minimum evidence to pull Clase off the field to not throw the integrity of more games into question.
There was no jury in the Ohtani case. Both Bowyer and Mizahura pleaded guilty so there was no court case at all. Judge Holcomb accepted their pleas and handed down sentencing. Investigation over. Bowyer and Mizahura spend minimal time in Club Fed. Both walk away with millions.
Even stranger is that starting in February Ippei Mizuhara’s dad was calling for a deeper investigation into Ohtani’s part in all of this saying that he knew Ohtani’s character after spending time with him over the years. Then in June, after Ippei surrendered to begin serving his sentence, Hidemasa Mizuhara bought a 300 million yen (about $2 million USD) estate in Japan and has not said another word about the gambling investigation.
Okbud – I know everyone likes to compare this to the Ohtani situation but I do not consider it at all similar. We are talking about players betting directly on their own in-game performance vs. betting on completely different sports.
Your wild speculations are fueled purely by jealously and not facts.
Unfounded conspiracy theory. Ippei was investigated by the feds not MLB, and the evidence from court is publicly available. You saying the feds covered up the crime? Yeah right
@Pads Fans
You actually said evidence was found.
Would be nice if somebody said *anything* about what Clase is alleged to have done. We’ve at least been given insight into the tenuous claims against Ortiz. We don’t have any idea what’s going on with Clase besides supposition that it’s related to Ortiz.
It’s maddening how long most investigations take in general in MLB.
I think it’s reasonable in the case of violence. They’re waiting on police. Allegedly rigging a sports bet is a different animal. Prove it or *^%# off.
Agree completely Brad, in the off chance these guys are innocent they deserve a speedy inquiry so they can resume playing. It’s disgraceful to athletes, who already have a very limited window of their life to play sports, to slow roll an investigation and cost them an opportunity to play and earn money.
They’re gonna get cooked officially in the off-season. MLB not gonna open that can of worms now lol
Short of acquiring communications (and maybe they WERE that dumb and texted about it), I don’t know how you can possibly prove a guy threw a ball on purpose. Feels like MLB made a problem, recognized it, and they’re trying to make it look like they can deal when they so obviously can’t.
If they were gambling on baseball or involved in an operation does that mean they’re banned for life?
Most likely, as they should be.
If that happens then it would be a sad end for clase
He already has so many saves at such a young age he has a chance at getting really high up the career saves leaderboards
He’s also a cheater. The guy isn’t exactly a role model.
Do we know that for sure yet? I’d be very hesitant to label Clase as a cheater without indisputable evidence, and has that come out yet? Genuinely asking because I honestly haven’t followed the whole situation with him.
Yes baseball rules.
Fan Duel sports network is reporting a lifetime ban is under consideration
Fan Duel should get a lifetime ban: offering prop bet on whether the first pitch of an inning is a ball or strike?
And that, Hubert, is what Ortiz is in possible trouble for… throwing “intentional” balls and winning prop bets on the side. As for Clase, I must be clear- I haven’t heard a lick of what he’s accused of, outside of the “gambling investigation” rigmarole.
It will eventually be “extended” to eternity
Until they die..
Yeah, that seems to be the way the wind is blowing…
What information could they possibly be waiting for?
Waiting for a translator to take the fall.
Ortiz and Clase are assuredly done for good, however, MLB wants to uncover how deep this operation goes.
Watch it turn into the sign stealing scandal and everyone gets a free pass lol
Let’s just imagine for a moment that following what will probably be a 3-4 month investigation (Ohtani’s was a week in which he was not on admin leave) they declare that one or both of them are completely innocent of the charges. What then?
That’s why they are still getting paid so it’s not a financial loss.
no one give a f about luis ortiz
ohtani is face of baseball
maybe the #1 athlete globally
ofc his “investigation” only took a week lol
it took 5 minutes
and he probly guilty bc he degenerate gambler
these cleveland players just dumb young guys who thought they could score big quick. ortiz makes league min , clase earned 1.9mil last year. they give PED users a 2nd and 3rd chance, give these kids another shot. but first mlb will do its due diligence for the next year. ya know bc gambling is so wrong. btw they just signed an exclusive deal with fanduel. but thats beside the point.
PED users make more money for MLB by being entertaining. Gamblers cost MLB potentially billions of dollars because all that gambling money goes away if people think the games might be fixed. Obviously the thing that’s dramatically more damaging to the sport’s bottom line will get the lifetime ban.
Clase, however, is (pending confirmation of the gambling investigation) both. He missed 2020 with a PED suspension.
So you think Ohtani is guilty… yet excuse it because he is *probly* the number #1 athlete in the world? Dodger fan much?!?
I don’t think he excusing it. I think the point is that Ohtani is possibly the #1 sports star. BB is not going to let the face of the sport take the fall. This is probably the same in every sport and every industry.
Your company rainmaker has Cart Blanche.
@joe
Not sure how anyone could have missed my point, but thank you for reiterating it
But that’s a terrible point… nobody should have Carte Blanche.
@gwyn
You still dont get it lol
No, I don’t think you do. But carry on! 😎
nobody should have Carte Blanche.
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Technically correct, but close enough. Rainmakers get special privileges because they provide special benefits. I doubt the Japan market is worth a $1B, but I wouldn’t bet against a half-billion.
I know it’s not the morally correct answer, but Ippie gets a year in prison and some spending money, the bookie pays a $1.2M apology check, and lears $15.8M, I think one of the casinos might’ve been clipped for another $1M. Ohtani loses $17M of his own volition and is forced to defer 95% of his salary so that we never have to go thru this again.
The 99% of the BB fans shouldn’t have to suffer on Ohtani’s account.
Well said JB! Cheers fellas 🍻
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Honest to God. You have hit the nail right on the head Chandler. Cannot watch a sports event without the sickening gambling crap all over the screens. Parlay this morons.
Would you like to make a parlay on the over/under for both clase’s and Ortiz’s days under investigation?
They’ll break the news on a slow day in the Offseason before the Winter Meetings… I’ll say… do-do-do… carry the one… November 12th? 73 days, bet.
Say what you want about Preller but guys he trades somehow wind up fizzling out either due to production issues or their own devices within 5 years more often than not. Like they have a couple seasons of success but then just drop off the map. Very few become franchise level players for 6 7 8 9 10 years.
Oh no trades Ty France. Fizzled
Oh no traded David Bednar. Fizzled
Oh no traded Clase. Could be facing life time ban
Oh no Eric Lauer. Fizzled
Oh no Ryan Weathers. Injured
What about James Wood, CJ Abrams, Makenzie Gore, Max Fried, Trea Turner?
What about
Jace Peterson
Dustin Peterson
Zach Eflin
Matt Wisler
Jordan Paroubeck
Adrian Martinez
Efrain Contreras
Luis Patino
Blake Hunt
Mason Thompson
Luis Urias
Cal Quantril
Owen Miller
Jake Bauers
Hudson Potts
Jeisson Rosario
Austin Allen
Buddy Reed
Esteury Ruiz
Robert Gasser
Edward Olivares
Tucupita Marcano
Gabriel Arias
Joey Cantillo
Taylor Trammel
Victor Acosta
Hudson Head
Reginald Preciado
Ismael Mena
Joshua Mears
Samuel Zavala
Drew Thorpe
Robert Hassell III
Max Ferguson
Franmil Reyes
Josh Van Meter
Don’t forget Mallex Smith that was part of the Justin Upton trade. Well, I can see why you forgot him.
When you have to fluff your list with numerous players such as Australian Baseball League hanger-on Buddy Reed, you’ve lost the argument.
Of those, only Turner is a franchise anchoring type of player.
Wood might be some day, but he has some major blemishes namely leading MLB in SO% and -7 DRS and OAA defense, that may prevent him from ever rising to that 5-6 WAR level of player.
Gore is a good #4 starter or a below average #3 starter. He has shown short stretches of great production, then then so has every starting pitcher that has stuck in the majors. He is not a star.
Abrams is an above average SS with WAR in the 3s, but not a star.
Fried was recovering from TJ at the time of the trade and missed all of 2015. He took 5 years after the 2014 trade to become a full time starting pitcher in the majors. Not counting the entirely weird shortened 2020 season, it wasn’t until 2021 that Fried had what would be considered a breakout season. Preller got Justin Upton in that trade and Justin put up 4.1 WAR in 2015. They also got a compensation pick after the QO on Upton that they used on Jacob Nix. I think he would make that trade again.
Bednar and Lauer did not fizzle. Maybe Lauer for one season but been a 2 WAR player and Bednar has been a very good closer minus one horrendous season with two all star nods. James Wood, Abram’s, and Gore for Soto wasn’t great. He got a good return for Soto but could have Abram’s at short for next to nothing but went out and signed Xander with a massive overpay.
They fizzled out.
Bednar went from elite closer to set up man in less than 1 season. Being removed from your closer role by your own team prior to being traded means you fizzled out
Lauer had 2 good seasons turned into a pumpkin and is having an ok season worse peripherals. Going from potential ace to back end starter you fizzled out
Your definition of “fizzled” is a little severe. If someone ends up in a top-15 role on a team (9 position players, 5 starters, 1 closer) for a couple of years of regular appearances, that’s not “fizzled.”
Bednar is the closer for the Yankees last I looked.
Listed closer is Devin Williams.
Hes also been used less in high leverage situations every year since he posted 39 saves in 2023.
Aaron Boone is listing the NYY closer? And Williams has only 1 save since the trade, and that’s only because Bednar blew the initial save in the 9th.
Eric Lauer averaged 0.6 WAR from the time of the trade until he became a minor league FA in October 2023. He didn’t play in MLB at all in 2024. Anything he did after that would not count against the trade tree. Basically the former 1st round pick fizzled out. Zach Davies had a 2.73 ERA for the Padres in 2020 and helped them get to the NLDS. Trent Grisham had a 123 OPS+ while playing great CF defense. Preller absolutely does that trade again knowing the results.
The Padres got Joe Musgrove in the 3-team trade that included Bednar. Bednar has been really good outside of 2024. He has not fizzled out. You have to give to get and Preller undoubtedly would make that trade again as Bednar is the only player in the trade that has turned into a solid MLB player and he is a relief pitcher.
He fizzled out of the closer role
He’s been used in less and less high leverage situations
2023 39 saves 51 high leverage situations
2024 23 saves? 35 high leverage situations
2025 20 saves 30 high leverage
He’s being used more in medium and lower leverage situations. While effective and he’s posting results celebrating a guy who once looked like an elite shut down closer and now he’s a 2 or more runs ahead or 2 or more runs below relief guy is definitely fizzling out.
Miguel Cabrera fizzled out as well. Maybe the Tigers shouldn’t have acquired him.
First off bednar and lauer are good players right now, and second how is a GM supposed to predict clase as not only a future closer but one that gets into a gambling investigation at 27
Last time I checked Preller is not in touch with Doctor Strange
Just so you know, Bednar’s been one one of the best closers in BB. How does one not know that?
“Best” in a set up role since being traded to Yankees. How do you not know that
Bednar is the closer. Three saves this month and no one else has more than one. Do some research.
Pretty sure Ty France alone outproduced Austin Nola, not to mention the brilliance of Munoz. Grandal, Turner, Fried, Eflin, Wood, Abrams, Gore..
“Very few become franchise level players for 6-10 years” is true of almost every player dealt, ever.
Sure. His 2 year run was awesome in Seattle and he was released and is a ok platoon bat now. Fizzled out.
Jace Peterson
Dustin Peterson
Zach Eflin
Matt Wisler
Jordan Paroubeck
Adrian Martinez
Efrain Contreras
Luis Patino
Blake Hunt
Mason Thompson
Luis Urias
Cal Quantril
Owen Miller
Jake Bauers
Hudson Potts
Jeisson Rosario
Austin Allen
Buddy Reed
Esteury Ruiz
Robert Gasser
Edward Olivares
Tucupita Marcano
Gabriel Arias
Joey Cantillo
Taylor Trammel
Victor Acosta
Hudson Head
Reginald Preciado
Ismael Mena
Joshua Mears
Samuel Zavala
Drew Thorpe
Robert Hassell III
Max Ferguson
Franmil Reyes
Josh Van Meter
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So what you’re saying is you’re a clueless moron who never should’ve been given access to a keyboard. Gotcha.
So what you’re saying is you didn’t prove anything I said wrong cause you can’t
Instead you chose to go the insults route cause you’re threatened by comments that offer more insight and intellectual ability than you could ever dream of.
Gotcha. Blame your parents for your limited capabilities.
Clase had an absolutely dominant 2024 regular season. He was by far the best closer in baseball then. And then, a monumental collapse happened in the playoffs. In hindsight, I look at that collapse and wonder if it was intentional.
And, I wonder if MLB is also looking into that as well. That would explain the length of the investigation.
It sure is weird how gambling scandals in MLB skyrocketed right around the time MLB climbed into bed with organized gambling.
I wonder if the two things are related? Nah, couldn’t be…
Yup….they made their bed, and now they gotta lie in it.
Clase and Ortiz aren’t big enough stars for MLB to ignore any accusations. Isn’t Clase being investigated for only two pitches?
We know how much you hate and bring up Ohtani, CC Ryder/oldguy58, but Emmanuel Clase is a 3-time all star and is a bit of a known player in the league
Ohtani took Cris Carter’s advice and had a “fall guy”. Not sure these two took the same advice. Crazy how quick and unceremonious the Ohtani investigation was. He was either incredibly stupid or it was a cover-up and Manfred buried it.
Public and media will never know but there was no way MLB bans their best most profitable player
That would be like banning Barry bonds after 2001 because his head got too large and suddenly start cracking down on PEDs
Ah yes please do explain how Manfred manipulated the FBI into charging the wrong guy with a mountain of evidence that said otherwise.
The Clase investigation is completely different, is not being conducted by federal agents with access to basically whatever they want.
Not everything is a conspiracy.
True, but anything involving the FBI and its century-plus of criminal behavior and political manipulation, probably is.
Should’ve had a better interpreter bozos
If Clase gets banned, which it feels like he will, he kills a trade tree that goes back to Jerry Dybzinski for Pat Tabler on April 1, 1983.
You’re telling me clase wouldn’t be in Cleveland if this 1983 trade didnt happen
I am.
I can get creepily detailed but I’ll do the abridged version:
Jerry Dybzinski (famous for his blunder on the basepaths in the 83 playoffs gets traded for Pat Tabler. Pat plays for five years before being traded for Bud Black. Here’s where it gets weird. Bud Black gets traded for some bit parts, one whom is returned for Willie Blair. As all Indians fans know, Blair was part of the Lofton trade. Lofton went to Altanta for Justice and Grissom. Justice plays well but eventually gets traded to New York for a package including Jake Westbrook. Westbrook was traded for Corey Kluber and that’s how Cleveland got Clase. If you wanna get even deeper, Clase doesn’t come to Cleveland if Hideki Irabu stays in Japan, but that’s for another Zach Day.
Must be nice to be on the Yankees and be able to get away with anything, cheat, commit crimes, whatever you want to do with no consequences. Let the small team players get caught so it looks like MLB is doing their job. Pffft.
The bookie with $16,000,000 in bookmaking income, probable wire fraud, and numerous other possible charges, won’t even see 6 months in jail. MLB Rumors didn’t even run a story as far as I know.
I fully endorse the coverup, but if anyone in here did anything like this, you’d be gone for ten years.
He is serving a 57-month prison term with a 4-year supervised release because he pled guilty. I’m not surprised at the slightest you’re one of those people who “endorse the cover up” when you endorse owners, man
I just read somewhere that he got one year. I’ll check it and apologize if necessary.
I Googled “Ohtani bookie” and there are a dozen articles saying one year.
A few things to consider, instead of the false information you posted.
Mathew Bowyer, the bookie tied to Shohei Ohtani’s former interpreter Ippei Mizuhara, was sentenced on August 29, 2025, to 12 months and one day in federal prison and will have TWO years of supervised release. He is eligible for release after 6 months and will be out in time to take bets on the MLB season in 2026.
He is in Club Fed in Lompoc. (FCI Lompoc 1) They have tennis courts, baseball and soccer fields that are in better shape than most colleges, and last time I checked, horse corrals. Not exactly hard time. Same kind of place Martha Stewart spent her sentence. google.com/maps/place/3600+Guard+Rd,+Lompoc,+CA+93…
Bowyer took $17 million from Ippei/Ohtani and had to pay just $1.6 million in restitution. I think he will do alright when he gets out. You may have also noticed that while he supposedly spilled his guts to lessen his prison time and was tied publicly to multiple current and former MLB players, no one else involved with pro sports was arrested after the investigation.
“The case against Bowyer is part of a broader federal probe into illegal sports gambling” and “Authorities said Bowyer ran an illegal gambling business for at least five years in Southern California and Las Vegas and took wagers from more than 700 bettors including Mizuhara”
But other than Bowyers boss, ONLY Mizuhara was arrested. NONE of the bettors were even named in the investigation. Curiouser and curiouser.
Ippei Mizuhara, Ohtani’s fall guy/interpreter got a 57 month sentence with 4 years of supervised release. He is also in Club Fed in Pennsylvania (FCI Allenwood Low – nice but no tennis courts or baseball fields) and will be eligible for parole after 14 months and is likely to be deported at that time.
Strangely enough, his parents bought a 300 million yen (About $2 million USD), historic 3600 sq ft, 1.2 acre estate on the slopes of Mount Yotei shortly after he pleaded guilty. His dad is a chef living in a modest townhouse in the eastern LA suburb of Diamond Bar that doesn’t seem to make enough money to be buying that kind of home not far from the Tomakomai area they moved to the US from.
That entire situation stinks to high heaven.
BTW, the $1.6 million that Bowyer paid was unpaid taxes. So he gets 6 months to 1 year in Club Fed and walks away a rich man.
That’s how would go if I were a criminal. Steal $20M, return $16M, and tell the feds I blew $4M on gambling, drugs and women. Everyone goes home happy.
Absolutely. That is the way to do it. In this case it was $1.6 million out of $17 million in gambling losses just from Ohtani.
I want to apologize. I posted two things that were wrong.
Ippei Mizuhara is not eligible for parole as it was a federal case. He is eligible for early release after 14 months.
The estate Hidemasa Mizuhara, Ippei’s father, purchased in Japan in June is NOT on the slopes of Mount Yotei, it is in the Yachigashira area of Hakodate.
In this case it was $1.6 million out of $17 million in gambling losses just from Ohtani.
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I completely lack his ambition. But his correct play is to tell Manfred “who has more to lose if the goes to trial?”, and Manfred has to make it go away. Of course, the bookie has to serve some time so as not to make it too obvious. So does Ippie. But no one will be seriously punished, no one.
Not sure how deep the investigation can go. They don’t have the same powers as police investigators. If they find a crime they would have to report it and then I imagine wait for the police to investigate. At the end of the day I think Draft Kings tells MLB nothing to see here and they are both pitching next season.
Fixing a game or even a proposition bet on a single pitch is a federal crime of fraud. Maybe the FBI is involved and that is contributing to the time.
My fear is that MLB will try to sweep it under the rug at the behest of the gambling organizations that are pouring hundreds of millions into the sport as we speak.
My hope is that the FBI is involved and that is what is dragging this out.
Not connected but funny. I was at my father’s house back in March 2015 for his 75th birthday and I turned MLB Network on. Manfred was speaking about something at the beginning of spring training and my dad walked by and asked “is he a mob lawyer”?
Major league baseball has a very real problem when it comes to allegations. The Trevor Bauer thing was a debacle that destroyed a career and looked terrible in the aftermath for the way the league decided to condemn before the investigation and continue to condemn despite the results and what came to light afterwards.
This seems to be the new trend. They suspend (or insert what they call it at the time) then investigate to see what actually happened. I am not touching guilt or innocence, just the knee jerk reaction to whatever an allegation is from gambling, domestic incidents, or criminal allegations. The punishment should begin at the results, not prior, throughout, and still after. It is like MLB never heard of due process.
MLB didn’t look bad in the aftermath of the Bauer suspension, Bauer did. He was found guilty twice of violating MLB Joint Domestic Violence, Sexual Assault and Child Abuse Policy. Once by MLB itself and then by an arbitration panel when he appealed the length of the suspension. There was no question that he violated those policies. Both Bauer and his attorney admitted he did. He was unrepentant and said he would continue to live that lifestyle which is expressly against the rules of MLB and violated the contract he signed.
People are arrested before the trial. The same is happening in this case. The difference is the players are getting paid through the process. If you are arrested because you are accused of a crime you not only don’t get paid, you have to pay for bail or sit in jail. It seems that you have no clue what due process means.
@Pads Fans
Bauer denied any wrongdoing nor having anything to apologize for. Those are not at all the words you are putting into his mouth, which is an admission that he violated MLB’s policies and stating he would continue to do so.
Due process does not require people found guilty to agree with the verdict, the guilt in this case being violating MLB’s policies (whatever the technical “logic” involved there), not criminal guilt.
Informed, you have me muted now so I can’t answer you directly. My previous post was deleted so going to abridge it.
Bauer’s attorney Shawn Holley admitted that Bauer struck the woman in the restraining order case in the media the day it was released that she had filed against Bauer, but said that it was consensual. Bauer reiterated that position in depositions for that restraining order case. That is public record.
Later, in the defamation suit he lost against DeadSpin he reiterated the position that it was consensual again. (Trevor Bauer sued us – and lost – deadspin.com/judge-dismissed-trevor-bauers-lawsuit… )
In You Tube posts on multiple occasions he said that it was consensual and that he would not stop living that lifestyle. He never apologized. He never denied doing what she said he had, he just alleged that it was consensual.
That lifestyle, consensual or not, is against the MLB Joint Domestic Violence policy. Bauer signed a contract that stated he would uphold that policy. He obviously failed to do so.
Bauer was found guilty by both MLB AND by an arbitrator when he appealed his sentence. He NEVER agreed to that verdict. In fact, even after he had served his suspension he publicly stated on his social media that he did not agree to it and felt he should not have served a day.
Something you don’t seem to understand is that legal culpability in a he said/she said case and violating his MLB contract and the policies contained therein are two entirely different subjects.
Bauer is guilty of violating MLB policies and his contract. Period. That cannot be argued against since it is a fact.
@Pads Fans
I don’t have you muted at this time, as much as you often still tempt me to do so.
The league never fully revealed the exact reasons behind their disciplinary action. The most we have to go on is a report from the Wall Street Journal, which indicates the league found evidence Bauer had engaged in multiple abusive and non-consensual acts. I’ll spare everyone the exact cite and its sordid details, but the title of the WSJ piece is “The Los Angeles Dodgers Have Unusual Incentives to Retain, Not Release, Trevor Bauer”.
The key takeaway for anyone not named Pads Fans is the league found the actions to be abusive and non-consensual, both of which Bauer denied. Ergo, he denied any wrongdoing under MLB’s policy. He did not admit wrongdoing nor state he would continue to do commit wrongdoing.
I grant that it did Bauer no PR favors to not show any contrition, but I doubt it would have made a difference in the end. MLB wanted him blackballed out as much for his persona and opinions as for what he allegedly did. I don’t think him apologizing would have done a lick of good. I am comfortable making those suppositions.
In any event, he’s gone and not coming back. It ought to be a bigger deal that the league can blackball a player even after serving his suspension, but the rest of the players understandably don’t want targets on their backs for speaking out. Credit to Mookie Betts for doing so.
@Pads Fans
Logically, how would I have seen what you wrote in the first place if I’d had you muted?
Pads Fans
That lifestyle, consensual or not, is against the MLB Joint Domestic Violence policy.
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That’s exactly my problem with this. It’s not MLB’s place, or your place, or my place, to tell this adult woman what she is and isn’t allowed to engage in.
It is their place. MLB is a private business. They get to determine in conjunction with the MLBPA what is allowed and what is not allowed by players in MLB.
Bauer’s lifestyle is not allowed. He signed a contract that stated it is not allowed for any player in MLB.
If he wanted to continue the lifestyle, he was making a choice to NOT be able to play baseball.
MLB did not tell the woman what she could or couldn’t engage in. They told Bauer and he agreed contractually NOT to do it. Then he went and did it anyway. Multiple times.
This part of this comment is for Ryan/Informed/all his other accounts.
I can’t respond directly to your posts so that means I am muted. Muting me means your informed account can’t see me, not that I can’t see your posts.
You are seeing my posts because you have multiple accounts. We all know that Ryan. You can’t hide that fact.
Everything I said about Bauer was a fact. Its not disputable.
Ryan/Informed, as usual your key takeaway is uninformed and just plain incorrect. The league did NOT find anything of the sort.
What the league determined and SAID in Manfred’s official statement was that Bauer had been found guilty of violating the league and unions Joint Domestic Violence, Sexual Assault and Child Abuse Policy. PERIOD.
Bauer admitted to the actions. That is not disputable. He denied only that it was non-consensual. It could BE consensual and still be against that policy and the code of conduct that contained in the UPC all players sign. Bauer violated that policy and his contract. Period.
Ryan, its really sad that you don’t understand those simple facts. Its pathetic that you have to have so many accounts because they keep getting banned or people mute you once they realize its you.
The explanation that the MLB is a private business doesn’t work for. Cleon Jones had to apologize for having a white womanly in his van. MLB didn’t want Latinos to play, and definitely didn’t want blacks to play. And I’m getting there were a lot of gay players that got passed over for marginal positions.
MLB shouldn’t be telling women what activity they are allowed to engage in. But just for fun, maybe have Mandred issue a statement saying that MLB thinks S&M is morally repulsive and is banned. See how that works.
That situation with Cleon Jones was prior to there being a CBA. So was MLB not wanting Blacks and Latinos to play, although there was never a time when there was not a Latino in MLB that I can find.
MLB didn’t tell a woman what activity she could engage in, they told a player. In fact, every player signs a contract saying he will not engage in that activity. If he wants to engage in it, his choices are clear, don’t play MLB baseball.
I have rules in my company that employees have to adhere to or find another job and they include personal conduct clauses. Its a contract and my attorney would used to be an AUSA for the Southern District of California.
In that they’re like the majority of commenters on this site, who rarely hear of a DV accusation they aren’t eager to accept as a guilty verdict.
It sure seems that there must be other players involved or the investigation would not have gone on this long. Will MLB try to sweep it under the rug to maintain their very profitable gambling connections or will some real penalties be handed out like they did with Marcano?
If you remember from the case, there was another MLB player involved in the framing of Bauer for sexual assault involved with the lying victim.
Bauer wasn’t framed. Bauer was guilty of violating MLB’s Joint Domestic Violence policy and violating the terms of his contract. Both MLB and an independent arbitrator ruled the same thing.
Bauer and his attorney Shawn Holley admitted to the violent acts. They said they were consensual and the District Attorney for LA County said that there was not enough clear evidence of it not being consensual to win at trial. That doesn’t mean he was framed, nor does it mean that he was found innocent of committing a crime. It only means that there was not enough evidence of a non-consensual act to be certain of winning at trial
You may also want to read the article ” Trevor Bauer sued us…and lost” on Deadspin.
It also doesn’t matter in terms of the MLB policies that are laid out in the Uniform Players Contract. It is VERY abundantly clear that Bauer violated those policies.
Bauer has said that he gets his jollies from beating women. I guess that makes him feel like a man. That is against the rules of MLB. If he wanted to play baseball, he had to abstain from that lifestyle. That was his choice. He refused to change. Now he is paying the price by not being allowed to play major league baseball.
If I were these two I would learn Japanese or Korean, at least if they end up in Mexico, they already speak the language. There must be evidence,the players association is signing off on this.
You know that evidence is not guilt, yes?
That’s what trials are for–in theory–to decide on the validity of evidence. .
In MLB there no trial, it’s the weight of evidence that is part of the standard language in a MLB contract pertaining to personal behavior.
I wonder what would’ve happened if Clase wasn’t with the Guardians last year? Would they still have reached the playoffs and beat the Tigers?
I bet they will be banned just like tucupita marcano. Bye bye baseball in america
MLB can’t fain the moral high ground while simultaneously have half the league’s games appearing on the Fan Deul network and every game on every network, including their own, giving running betting odds all game long (all day long on MLBNetwork and ESPN)
Lifetime ban.
Emmanuel Clase (wearing a mustache and glasses walks up to the window at the casino sports book): Ah yes, I’d like to wager $5 million dollars that Emmanuel Clase won’t be back to pitch this season, and add a parlay that to a Luis Ortiz won’t be either perfecta.
You can make that bet at London sportsbook, but I would be willing to bet that you would not get good odds.
These “administrative leave” things are BS. Unless he’s guilty, he should playing.
If you are accused of a crime are you arrested and put in jail?
Clase is being PAID while on leave. Would you be paid while you were in jail? Nope. In fact, you would have to pay to get out of jail.
No. If you were suspected of siphoning off company funds, they would not you access to those funds while they were investigating it. No way, no how.