As the Padres continue to try to build a competitive roster with minimal payroll wiggle room, they’re at least entertaining offers on righty Nick Pivetta, reports Dennis Lin of The Athletic. They’re also listening on second baseman Jake Cronenworth, Lin writes, though the two are in different spots in terms of trade candidacy. Pivetta, despite an opt-out in his contract at season’s end, would presumably still be coveted by numerous clubs. Cronenworth, with five years and $60MM remaining on his contract as he heads into his age-32 season, has considerably less trade value. USA Today’s Bob Nightengale wrote yesterday that San Diego isn’t merely listening but has been actively shopping Cronenworth.
The 32-year-old Pivetta (33 in January) is coming off a terrific season in which he logged a career-low 2.87 ERA over a career-high 181 2/3 innings. It was just the sort of season for which the Padres hoped when signing Pivetta to a four-year contract — a bet made on his durability and typically strong strikeout/walk rates. Pivetta had never posted an ERA under 4.00, but metrics like SIERA (3.78) and xFIP (3.92) liked him far better than the 4.33 ERA he’d posted across the four prior seasons.
San Diego found itself in a similar situation last winter to the one in which president of baseball operations A.J. Preller now resides. The team is still intent on going for it in a competitive NL West division, but payroll has been reduced since the untimely passing of late owner Peter Seidler back in 2023. Preller & Co. drew up a four-year, $55MM deal for Pivetta that paid him just $4MM in year on ($3MM signing bonus, $1MM salary) and then jumped to $19MM in 2026, $14MM in 2027 and $18MM in 2028. Pivetta also has the right to opt out of the final two years and $32MM on his contract following the current season. That seems like all but a given, provided he’s still healthy and even reasonably effective.
That unique contract structure complicates trade scenarios surrounding Pivetta. While he’s sure to command interest, teams will view him more as a one-year rental than as a long-term pickup. They’ll also need to price in the downside of Pivetta potentially sustaining a serious injury and/or performing so poorly that he forgoes that opt-out opportunity and thus saddles them with an unwanted two-year, $32MM commitment. Pivetta could probably still bring back a prospect or lower-cost big leaguer of some note, but the return wouldn’t be as strong as many might think for a sixth-place Cy Young finisher who is technically signed for three more affordable seasons.
All of that makes the trade calculus surrounding Pivetta more difficult for Preller and his staff. The Friars are hoping to add to their rotation, not subtract from it. Trading Pivetta for a strong return and reallocating the $19MM he’ll make this coming season sounds good in theory but would be harder to execute in practice. Perhaps a team with more financial flexibility would acquire Pivetta with an eye toward restructuring his contract (extending him but also removing the opt-out opportunities), though that’s a purely speculative scenario and not one that is typical throughout MLB as a whole.
With regard to Cronenworth, he’s coming off a productive season, but his contract is still generally underwater. The lefty-swinging infielder hit .246/.367/.377 in 2025, with the bulk of his offensive value coming via a career-high 13.4% walk rate and a whopping 15 hit-by-pitches, both of which inflated his on-base percentage to career-best levels. On a rate basis, Cronenworth’s power was at the lowest point of his career, however (.131 ISO). Statcast pegged his “expected” batting average at .227 and his “expected” slugging percentage at just .348.
Cronenworth’s versatility is a point in his favor, but he’s primarily played second base and first base — two positions that typically aren’t compensated especially well on the modern MLB market (with the exception of the game’s truly elite bats at either position). It’s feasible that Cronenworth could command something similar to his $12MM annual value if he were a free agent right now, but it certainly wouldn’t come over a five-year term. He’d be limited to a much shorter contract on the open market, and teams will price that into any trade offers. In all likelihood, San Diego would need to pay down a fair bit of Cronenworth’s contract or take back another unwelcome contract.
Broadly speaking, the circumstances surrounding both players serve as a portent for the type of moves the Padres will have to explore this offseason. Preller is always one of the most frenetic baseball operations leaders in the game, and his need to address multiple roster holes — two starters, at least one bat, perhaps some help at catcher — with minimal payroll flexibility amid a changing ownership landscape suggest that we’re in for another slate of creative, difficult-to-predict transactions for the Padres in the weeks ahead.

Padres looking to sell high on Pivetta. He is unlikely to repeat the 2025 sub-3.00 ERA. They should sell high on him
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YellowCleats:
Are they really selling high though? Teams are smart enough to know that he could go back to doing what he did before. If he pitches well he can opt out. If he pitches poorly, a team is stuck with his contract. I don’t think there’s much selling high here.
It’s selling pretty high. His previous history wasn’t as bad as his era. Just look at the Ceasw deal for teams that bet on secondary numbers.
Simm:
My point is that “high” is relative. They won’t get as much for him as they should because of the reasons I outlined.
I think it’s selling pretty high. They paid $2.5m for him last year and backloaded the deal to $20m, $14m, and $18m. I think if he was a free agent right now, he’d easily get the $52m still guaranteed. The opt out likelihood is a factor in the return, but I still think there’s surplus value on a year and $20m for Pivetta and even if he doesn’t have a great season, I still think 2/$32m for the following two years isn’t all that much of a downside. The risk is mostly in the potential for a long term injury absence forcing the opt in. But there’s injury risk in every pitcher anyway.
KamKid:
OK, but what does selling high mean here? Nobody’s giving a premium for a guy who is essentially on a one year deal if he pitches well and a multi year deal if he pitches poorly. And a guy who has a decent but not great track record.
These teams would all be willing to sign up for the remainder of his contract right now. So if that the case then him having a great year an opting out is a good outcome as well.
So if traded he will get a trade value in the range of a one year renal. Which for a very good starter is still pretty high. Not Peralta high but just under that.
I guess to me it means you are getting out of a contract you already reaped a lot of reward from. Plus there’s still surplus value on the deal to get something in return. He improved his stock enough to cover the backloaded nature of the deal even with the opt out. I still think he doesn’t need to have a great season to opt out because even though the full contract was backloaded, at this point in time it’s front loaded. He’d be opting into a $16m AAV over the following two seasons and think about the quality of pitcher that gets $16m. He’d have to have a really bad season to not be seen as a $16m/year pitcher. What is Gallen’s contract prediction? Bieber opted into $16m (really a $12m decision because of the buyout) and people were shocked. If you are a capable starting pitcher. Even a backend guy, you get close to the $32m guarantee he’d be opting into. So if he opts in, it’ll be a really bad season or more likely a major injury. That’s downside for sure. But it’s downside for any guarantee whether there’s an opt out or not.
Simm:
Yes, but teams are not giving the value of a one year rental based on last season alone. They’re going to look at the body of work. Which is pretty good, but not to the level he pitched last year. No team is going to give near what they would give for Peralta. He does not have the body of work of that. As a fan I would give clearly more for Peralta than I would for Pivetta.
KamKid:
I’m just not giving any significant prospect capital for a Pivetta. I wouldn’t have done it if I was trading for him last year and this one season wouldn’t change my opinion that much.
Hence why I said his value is below Peralta’s.
That doesn’t mean there isn’t real value for him. Teams that don’t want to give out long term deals for pitchers see the most value in a deal like Pivetta has. Who in this market has more value than Pivetta on a short term deal? Skubal, Peralta then you’re looking at free agents. None of the current free agents can you even say had a better year than Pivetta and they will all likely command a longer term deal.
Nobody is saying he is gonna bring back a top 10 prospect in baseball. Heck even the article says it’s unlikely he is even traded.
What would a team like the Mets trade for him. That’s a team that doesn’t want a long term starting pitching contract. What about if they added a reliever like Estrada to the deal. It may not be a 1-for whatever deal. Though I don’t see him being traded at all without getting a young controllable pitcher with upside. Which is why the Padres may add a reliever to the deal for a guy they want.
Simm:
I know you said with Peralta, you said Pivettas value is just under that. I think it’s more significant than him being just under that value. I’d be much more interested in Peralta than Pivetta. I’m glad you brought up the Mets as an example. I’m a Mets fan. No I don’t want him. As a Mets fan I want a high ceiling pitcher with a better track record than one year of dominance. I know the underlying numbers have always been good, but we know his ERA has historically not been great. As a Mets fan, I would not be giving up any significant prospect for him. Fact, I wouldn’t even be looking to trade for him because I’d be shooting higher. Teams that aren’t shooting as high might look into him, but I still wouldn’t be giving up significant prospects for him.
Miken- that’s fine but I think you are putting too much value into era.
I’m sure you wouldn’t have signed cease either for to that deal (neither would I) but it shows teams look well beyond era.
Simm:
I wouldn’t put all that value into ERA if he didn’t seem to have the same trend every year except for last year. Terrific secondary numbers and high ERA. That’s been the story of his career outside of one season. I do think the cease contract was crazy, but he’s had more high-end seasons than Pivetta has. Of course no one’s giving Pivetta the contract cease just got either.
Pivetta showed his stuff with Boston, even though he was sub 4.05 before coming to the Padres,
Pivetta – came to the Padres with an outside chance of being just a middle rotation starter and ended up being the “Star” Starter after King went down. That to me showed this is an asset that the Padres shouldn’t be shopping around, if anything, Padres lose King, build the team around Pivetta . Niebla has this way of working magic so build the starting pitchers around Pivetta and start a new era for the Padres and just watch the “Niebla” doctor do his Magic.
One other thing, Niebla received King from the Yankees as a “BullPen” pitcher, Neibla KNEW King had stellar stuff that would help more as a Starter, fine tuned to support those words, If we could use Pivetta as a “main stay” to the rotation, King decides to return to the Padres, and Musgrove returns healthy and stays that way then we’ve made some huge strides
Pivetta, Tatis, Bogarts for Duran, Mayer, Yoshida and a younger SP.
Breslow better make a move soon or else I’m going to spin out and make dumb trade suggestions for every rumored player. I CANT TAKE ANOTHER OFF-SEASON LIKE THIS CRAIG.
Last off season was pretty good. Crochet, Bregman, Narvaez… all key guys in the playoff run.
I have good vibes about this week. Stay positive
They already got Gray and Oviedo, what more do you want? Hahaha
And Chapman
swan – And Wilson, everyone always forgets about Wilson. He had a damn good season at a bargain price.
nobody wants Bogeart’s contract. not even the padres
Make some sense. Although I would do Pivetta for Yoshida.
Red Sox fan by chance?
Hell no -red Sox fan
Hell no- padres fan
Prellar would hang up the phone instantly.
I would do that in a hearbeat if I ran the Friars.
Snark
Padres would never do that. Not saying that Red Sox would, just sure that Padres would not.
The Sox should have held on to Pivetta (hated to see him go), but getting him back would not be worth taking on Bogaert’s contract even if we could unload Yoshida. We also don’t need Tatis as we have more than enough outfielders.
Why in the world would anyone want to include a “PLATINUM Glove” outfielder like Tatis ? Doesn’t make sense at all. I can see (Kind of) including Bogarts, MAYBE Cronie in a deal with Pivetta BUT no way for Tatis Jr.
LOOK, with Breslow, and AJ they are still in the moneyball “era” and taking it away from the fans. just to put the Money in the clubs pocket. Whatever happen to being Americas Favorite pastime?!!! I’m with you on your last part of the statement.
M’s should be all over Cronenworth, probably cheaper than Donovan and not that much worse…
M’s make a lot of sense. I wonder if a Castillo swap would work. The money could be tricky. Perhaps even a Pivetta and cronenworth for Castillo and prospects. Wouldn’t add too much money to the M’s payroll. Would save the padres around 7-8m this year. Plus perhaps they get one of the M’s infield prospects to plug into second.
Mets and Pivetta make sense as well given they don’t want to do a long term pitching contract.
Pads aren’t getting any prospects for Crone, so they’re not going to dilute Pivetta’s value by doing them in the same deal.
Anyone taking on Crone’s contract deserves the same production the Royals got from India.
Not really diluting pivetta’s value by taking back Castillo. Two guys who people see as slightly over paid.
It’s however a tougher deal to see happen. That why Pivetta to a team like the Mets fits easier.
Why would the mariners do that
M’s would get a better starter and a second baseman. Without adding a bunch of money signing a guy like Polanco. M’s are clearly looking for 2b they can count on, hence the Polanco and Donavan rumors. At the same time it’s rumored they don’t have a ton of money they can add to payroll.
Pivetta isn’t a better starter
I came to the comments to see M’s speculation as they are the first team I thought of as a fit. I think Donovan would be considerably better, but acquisition cost would be much different in these situations. So considering the potential cost, I’d agree that Cronenworth might not be that much worse. Keep your better prospects (especially after dealing Ford), and I’d imagine Padres pay down Cronenworth’s contract to a palatable price.
Hearing some rumors of cronenworth to the angles or the pirates. Would think the mariners would have some interest as well. Cronenworth’s money isn’t a big deal. He is worth every penny right now, so if we are talking the last two years of his deal. We are talking about 24m which if needed could be bought down fairly easily.
Pivetta is tough to see the Padres trading. Given their need for starters. Though I could say the same at 2b if cronenworth is moved.
I could see either the Mets, O’s or Yankees making a play for Pivetta. Perhaps even including a reliever from the Padres. As all of those teams could still use a reliever like Adam or Estrada. Padres would require a cost controlled starter in return. Which makes the O’s less likely. I could even see a guy like Vientos as well to fill 1b for the padres.
Simm – I agree, Pivetta will generate a lot of interest. His numbers the past several years have been quite good.
Simm
Pirates are always interested until they see how much he is being paid and then they don’t call back.
AJ said the #1 need for Padres now is SP., and everyone knows this to be true, so why would they trade their best SP who comes cheap? Unless AJ is on his way out and ordered by lame duck ownership to fire sale for prospects (not a chance with committed Machado, Musgrove, Bogaerts contracts), then this is nothing other than clickbait again from Lin.
Brew- I agree it most likely clickbait.
With that said if the Padres can get cheap controlled starter in return. They then could sign another pitcher for around what Pivetta is making. Adding two starters for the price of one. Something like that anyways.
Outside of the reason you mentioned this doesn’t make any sense.
San Diego Padres. The team subject to the most clickbait articles in world sport. Amazing phenomenon. Almost unbelievable.
Perhaps they just want to cash in on his great year with a couple of young pieces that are cheap.
Foppert- Lin does say it’s highly unlikely they trade Pivetta. So it’s fair to look at it as clickbait or a real possibility.
Ok.
Selling the team. Way too much committed payroll for a new owners comfort level. After this year, Pivetta is part of that. Heavily backloaded that new owners will have to be paying. It makes sense if they consider selling the team a greater priority than winning this year. Trade him so he can’t opt in.
Fropp- as I said it’s reasonable to make a case they could trade him. It’s also reasonable to make the case that it’s just clickbait.
The issue with the padres is long term committed payroll to go along with the unknown motives of the current ownership.
When someone does a write up with pure speculation agree or saying clickbait are both reasonable choices. Especially in the write up it says unlikely.
Clickbait is way down my list of options. The concept is way overblown by you Padre folks. There is enough going on there in real life. They don’t need to be making stuff up.
I mean, fopsy it’s perhaps the 11th or 12th article in the past 2 years suggesting the Pads are trying to deal Cronenworth. Maybe 12th time’s a charm?
We’ll see if they are giving up on the season and trading best players for prospects. I think that wouldn’t go well with fanbase promised otherwise though.
Keeping count says everything. It’s a problem for you and the gang. No one else.
You think the current owners care about the fanbase ? After all that love you gave them when they took over from Pete ?
They owe you something ?
I know what my priorities would be if I was trying to sell. In short, don’t dig the hole any deeper this offseason. Fark the fans. They are the new owners problem.
Who in their right mind would assume Pivetta’s contract? Oh the Padres that’s who
Cronenworth to the Angels seems most likely, though I agree Pittsburgh could benefit with enough cash thrown in.
One totally unhinged fantasy baseball trade unlikely to ever happen could send Cronenworth to Colorado for Kris Bryant and enough Rockies cash to make the deal cash neutral for San Diego in years one and two of Bryant’s deal.
But realistically, if I was Preller I would try to convince Toboni to build a multi-player Padres-Nationals deal around Cronenworth and Keibert Ruiz.
Agree with Brew. Padres desperate for more starting pitching. Even if they convert Miller or Morejon. Pivetta is not being traded in off-season.
Have to agree – moving Pivetta creates an opening it will likely be more expensive to fill, at least from a tax if not cash perspective.
Well I know a WhiteSox reporter who might like Jake Cromenworth traded to a place closer to the Midwest.
I hope they plan on listening for a long time…
Dennis Lin reporting tells you this is 100% false.
More believable than boob reporting it.
Lin is pretty dialed into the padres but most writers are gonna continue to drive the padres need to shed payroll to add. Given their team is for sale that’s very possible.
These rumors are more believable than them trading Tatis.
I just don’t believe Lin because he works for Rosenthal and they both on multiple occasions displayed their disdain for the Padres, San Diego, and the fans.
I can see shopping Crone. Every at-bat the same: watch strike one, foul off strike two, and swing and miss strike three. He is still a pretty good fielder. But he clears some cash off the books.
Pivetta makes no sense. They need starting pitching, this is where I think Lin is again inventing things.
That’s far from what cronenworth does.
@james midway. Pivetta makes sense to get the comp pick back they lost to sign him. Lorenzen would be a cheaper and similar option. Wouldn’t surprise me if preller is trying to restock the cupboard.
So you don’t believe Lin and Ken because they wrote something negative about your team. Excellent honesty, precious.
more believable than boob, as Lin rumors are usually more carefully worded to avoid embarrassment. “Padres are listening on ###….” then mention a couple of guys. Let MLBTR and other outlets forward it to give it legs.
GMs listen on just about any player. It doesn’t mean they are actively trying to deal them.
Boob = Bob Nightengale?
All makes sense. Team is for sell.
Pivettas’ deal is CHEAP enough for that Dumpster Diving GM they have in ATL that likes to trade for players..just sayin’
Yeah braves are another team that would likely have interest in Pivetta.
I like both players, not bad gets for any team. Contracts aren’t the worst either.
“With regard to Cronenworth, he’s coming off a productive season, but his contract is still generally underwater.”
Preller has said on more than one occasion that he does not view Cronenworth’s contract as underwater and will not treat it as such in trade talks. That does not necessarily mean he won’t be traded, of course. But it does mean, however, that the Padres will not be eating any of his salary, attaching any prospects or taking back any of the other team’s bad contracts just for the purpose of “dumping” Cronenworth. If other teams don’t want to play ball, they will simply keep him.
Paying down cronenworth’s contract I highly doubt is off the table. Especially if it means they can get something useful in return.
Only if Preller puts a greater intrinsic value on that “something useful” than the part of the contract he is paying down.
There has been an awful lot of conversation about this subject and most of it is terribly uninformed.
Cronenworth’s extension is from 2024 to 2030. He has 4.3 WAR so far. He has been paid $18.575 million. That is a large amount of surplus value in the 1st 2 years. Over 100%. He will be 32 in 2026 so you can expect some decline, but not precipitous decline until he hits 35 or so. He has 5 years left on his deal so the last year or even two might see him struggle as he ages but the team expects that when they sign long- term deals and have factored that in. Trading him would create a hole in the lineup with no replacements in their system.
I don’t see the benefit to the Padres to trade him. This seems to be clickbait on an unusually slow day at the Winter Meetings.
Won’t surprise me if they move him. All Preller has said is that he would rather simply keep him than eat money, attach prospects or take back someone else’s bad contract to move him. He’s not holding out for a Soto-esque return. He’s probably not even holding out for a Cashner-esque return.
I was pointing out only how Cronenworth’s contract has been and will likely continue to be a good one for the Padres. That may not be the case for a team he is traded to.
Since he will not bring a large return, I don’t see any benefit to the Padres to trade him since there is no way to replace him at that same price in the market right now.
If it “will continue to be a good contract” for the Padres it would be a good contract for anyone else.
Goose, as I pointed out, its a good contract for the Padres because they have already received enough surplus value in his first 2 years of the 7 total to cover most of the rest of the contract.
If he is traded his new team will not have the benefit of that surplus value to help them. His contract would break even for a new team if he can average 1.3 WAR over the next 5 seasons. If he continues playing 2B I can definitely see that happening.
I am looking exclusively at the rest of the contract, both for the Padres and for the other 29 teams. Him having produced enough surplus value in the first 3 years of the deal is in no way a reason not to trade him at present. Him filling a need on the current Padres roster is though. We already know that Preller has refused to even consider eating money, attaching prospects or taking back one of the other team’s bad contracts in a trade of Cronenworth.
For the Padres you have to take the entire contract into account.
Obviously if he is traded all the team that acquires him would take into account is the amounts they would be talking on.
I don’t see why Preller would consider eating money. His performance over the past 2 years would have provided substantial surplus value at the AAV of his remaining salaries. Factor in age based regression and he would provide some surplus value for 2-3 years.
No when you are deciding whether or not to trade him you look at the remaining contract. A player could have won back-to-back-to-back MVPs. If you think he’s about to regress you trade him.
Wouldnt be shocked if after bichette signs elsewhere that Jays deal for Jake … He would solidify the double play spot and could be had for Lauer – who proved he’s steady enough for a No 4/5 starters role – and an infielder prospect…
I could see the Jays having some level of interest. Especially if they go the Tucker route.
After losing Cease to TOR, Darvish to a long term injury and potentially losing King, why would they consider dealing one of their last decent arms? Something smells like clickbait here.
Sounds like a rebuild without admitting it.
Yeah, unloading bogaerts and machado is probably easier after the winter meeting or at the trade deadline. I’m sure they hope to find a team willing to assume the contracts like the Giants with Devers which for at least Bogaerts is highly unlikely.
I’d imagine they would keep Tatis and Merrill to rebuild around them but even keeping Pivetta next season doesn’t look promising.
Swan- yeah it doesn’t make a lot of sense.
Unless they are either being forced to reduce payroll or they can get back a young controlled starter then use the savings to sign another starter.
Who knows, perhaps they are gonna turn their entire bullpen to starters.
Did anyone read the article lol ? Even in the most inept hitting market in a while, he adds no value to your team unless u have just a glaring hole at second. OBP is all he offers at age 32 and he’s locked up for 5 more seasons.
Think you just said the two reasons why someone would trade for him. Obp and a team in 2b need. Can add some versatility to that reason as well. If cronenworth was a free agent today I don’t think anyone would blink an eye of him getting a 3 year 36-45m deal. It’s the last two years an 24m which raises concerns. Paying for his age 35/36 season prob scares some teams off though those years are ancient.
I could see the Padres eating some money on the back end of the deal to make it work if they really want to move him. Perhaps there is a team out there will to risk those years to give near nothing in return.
He’s not getting 15 per on the free agent market today. That contract is over 50% underwater by your own estimate and then he’s got to continue to build off a career OBP year with a reputation of not being able to deliver
It’s definitely not 50% underwater. He would get more than 5/30 in this market. My estimate was 36-45 in this market for 3 years. That didn’t mean year 4/5 have zero value.
MLBTR estimated Jorge Polanco for 3/42, Cronenworth is 6 months younger and more versatile. I actually do think he’d get 14-15M per year on the open market, it would just be for a 3 year deal and he’s currently under contract for 5 more years around 12.
Eno Sarris was tweeting earlier today about how the Cronenworth contract isn’t underwater, it’s just the right type of team that would want this contract because his AAV of $11.4M is good for his production in the first half of the remaining years, but for the last couple it won’t be.
@Big whiffa No way is it 50% underwater! According to Preller he doesn’t even view it as 1% underwater.
@SImm Preller has already said he isn’t interested in eating any money at all to move Cronenworth. He is completely fine simply keeping him.
@Big Wiffa. Aside from an excellent OBP, his OPS was ..744 and OPS plus well above average. Not bad. Add to that, what is the going rate for a very good to elite defense at 2b, with versatility to play 1b, SS at high level as well? He missed 45 games with injury and still posted 2.5 WAR. His AAV is team friendly IMO and would probably be more expensive to replace him with equal value.
Not saying it’ll happen, but I think it’s time to trade Tatis, and re-stock..
Wonder what a package of Tatis, Pivetta, and Cronenworth would look like..
Not near as much as the Pads would hope. Tatis is still owed over $280 million, so other teams know the Pads are in a bad spot. Let alone not give up much in prospects for taking on that kind of money
Well Pivetta alone has good trade value. I think Tatis would still get a lot back. Cronenworth, is a different story.
While Tatis is owed a lot of money, nothing compared to what he would get as a free agent at age 26. 6 war player last year with still more offensive upside. Pretty sure he would be looking at a 400m+ deal as a free agent.
True, but if he were a FA, then a team would have leeway with deferrals. While they’d be getting a little value overall in trading for him, they’d point to the increasing tax hit every year as to what kind of propsects they’d pay for him.
If the Pads even got near a Crochet package for Tatis, I’d be surprised
Dbird- his tax hit won’t change year to year for a team that traded for him now. It would reset and be what it is at that time.
He would definitely bring back more than crochet did. Is contract over the next 9 years is undervalued by at least 150. That plus his upside gives Tatis a lot of trade value. That’s like trading for crochet and not paying him for years in dollar value saved vs signing him as a free agent. Last year if his deal is age 35. There isnt nothing to not love about his current deal. Especially when you add in he still has upside.
Stanton was also a 6 war guy in his prime, and the Yanks got him for…who?
Arenado was a 6 war guy in his prime that the Cardinals got for…what?
You may say his contract is value, but all any team trading for him sees is how much he’s owed
Dbird- you are entitled to your own opinion but if Tatis is traded and likely won’t be. It will be for a haul in my opinion.
Arenado wasn’t 26.
Stantons deal was a long time ago. His amount owed vs dollar value for Stanton when present day isn’t the same. When a guy like Soto is getting over 700m, tatis 288m.
No team could pay it. No team would package 3 players like that together.
The best- correct that’s like 55m just for next year. Outside of maybe the Yankees could even consider affording that. Plus they would be better off trading them separately.
Tatis to the Yankees would bring back a lot.
Pivetta to a team like the Mets could bring a good return.
Cronenworth if traded would be a money shed. Prob even have to pay some of his contract down to even do that.
Problem if your trading them then you have to consider eat a boat load of money on manny and Xander…then start the rebuild.
Just don’t see that happening when the padres are only a couple of players away from being real contenders again next year.
Yankees, Red Sox, and Mets could all handle the money part easily..and the Yankees and Sox both match up extremely well on a mega deal like that.
@Simm You move salary elsewhere from the roster to make room for a package like that
Exactly LFG. Just thinking about it, a RS deal would surely center around Duran, and Casas, and at least a couple of their young, controllable starters, and the Yankees could put together a Rice, Dominguez, Schlittler + prospects/another starter package. Both fit perfectly player wise, and both could absorb the contracts without any issue, while the Padres would drastically cut payroll to pursue other upgrades.
Not saying it’ll happen, but I think it makes sense for all involved.
Not sure I understand why you think the Padres would trade any of those players.
Tatis was a 6 WAR player. Outside of the Nationals there have not been many trades of that level of player.
The Padres GM said they will be adding starting pitching. Makes no sense to trade starting pitching away.
It would cost more to sign a 2.5 WAR 2B than the Padres will be paying Cronenworth, they don’t have anyone on the farm to replace him, and they don’t have the pieces to trade for one.
None of those trades make sense. No logic to the rumors. Here is the other thing that doesn’t make sense. Your GM keeps his cards tight to the vest. The rumors on here are almost always wrong about the Padres and we find out about the moves your GM makes after they happen, not before. I don’t think the rumors are real.
Tatis, Cronenworth and Campusano to Marlins
ALcantara, Weathers, Edwards, Mesa Jr, Ekness and Mack to San Diego
The Fish would never pay those contracts.
Tear the whole thing apart and fully rebuild. The new owners start fresh. Pay money to move guys and gain prospects and pass that money off on the sale of the team.
New owners would love to have a fresh clean slate with a talented minor league.
Generally, this is not true. New owners would rather have valuable assets–even if the plan is to immediately sell them.
It’s all priced into the sale price one way or another.
Not sure about that. They might be fine with such a scenario moving and paying manny and Xander to get off the books.
Pretty sure any new owner would want tatis and Merrill. Given their age they would be two players you could build around for years to come.
If they paid a big chunk of Xander and manny down, some of Cronenworth’s and went into a rebuild. They could keep tatis and Merrill. Then still get a boat load of prospects back for…
Pivetta, Miller, morejon, Adam, Estrada. Plus something decent for laureano. Likely even something decent for Musgrove but probably keep him until the deadline and let him see if he can regain more value after TJ.
Lots of no trade protection in those guys which would complicate matters.
Problem is eating all that money on manny and Xander. What would the have to eat like 100m on each. That’s over 25m a year for the next 8 years. Xander alone is owed 200m over the next 8 seasons. Is he even worth 8 years 100m. Is manny worth 8 years and over 200m?
Padres are in a difficult long term spot as these players age. They maybe fine for the next 2-3 years but after that it could get real rough.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t the Padres payroll go up last season?
Yeah it did. Plus it’s still lower now than last year. That’s why most are calling this clickbait.
The issue clouding it this year is the announcement they are selling the team. What are the current owners trying to do this next year. Compete or try and make the team the most attractive to a buyer. Then you have the question what makes the team more attractive.
I read in Sports Business Journal when it was announced that the Seidlers were looking intro selling the team that they are blocked from doing so until the lawsuit by Peter Seidler’s widow is settled. That would not keep minority partners from selling but it would keep anyone involved in the lawsuit from selling including the entire Seidler family.
I’m an early passenger of the Jake Cronenworth bandwagon (Alex Chamberlain was driving–I sat beside him and ran the hype machine on FanGraphs).
That said, this contract sure looked silly from Day 1. Croney would be a free agent this winter, an outcome the Padres would undoubtedly have welcomed. He earned almost exactly what he would have through arbitration, maybe a bit more. He performed almost exactly as expected aside from a limp 2023 campaign.
It’s a matter of timing. It’s not a big deal to pay $12MM/yr for a defensively limited, league-average player. Practically every team wants Brendan Donovan. He’s only a little better than Croney. The issue is Cronenworth is a late-bloomer entering his age 32 season. He doesn’t have four years of shelf-life in MLB. It’s possible (though not likely) that he doesn’t even have one more year in him.
Your first part of why did they extend him with 3 years of arb left I agree with and so do most padres fan.
He definitely was better than league avg last year. Does have decent position versatility. He likely has 3 years left at the level he is currently playing at. Not a lot of 117 wrc+ 2b making 12m next year available. It is the last 2-3 years of his deal that makes him less or not appealing. That can be worked out of a team values him for the next few years.
“defensively limited”?
Defensively limited in the sense that he’s an iffy defensive 2B, doesn’t have the arm for 3B, looks overmatched at SS, and isn’t great in the OF.
He’s not as limited as Luis Arraez. He’s less utile than Brendan Donovan. He hits like a second baseman and fields like a first baseman, which makes him an awkward fit on high-caliber rosters.
lol. He’s not limited defensively, he’s good (above league average)
Cronenworth has 4.3 WAR in 2024 and 2025. That level of production means he has delivered far more value than the $18.6 million he has been paid in the 2 years since the extension started. Trade him to the Red Sox if you don’t want him.
A 2-win player is generally paid about $12MM in free agency, give or take depending on position. 2Bs, 1Bs, and DHs get the least. That happens to be where Cronenworth can play. That also happens to be how much he’ll be paid. At his age, that’s usually over a 2-3 year term, not 5.
The crux of the problem is the length of contract.
I can definitely see a scenario where Cronenworth is traded.
That scenario does not involve the Padres paying one cent of the contract, attaching a single prospect or taking back one of the other team’s bad contracts. Preller has said this. He is completely fine with just keeping Cronenworth.
Long-term contracts are always signed by teams with the understanding that they get surplus value up front and lose some on the back end. Cronenworth has provided $22.5 million in surplus value in the 1st 2 years of his extension. If he averages 1 WAR per season through the rest of his deal the Padres would come out ahead. He is not a free agent so why are you assuming that his value would be based on anything other than what he produces on the field?
His WAR in 2025 would have been much higher if he didn’t miss 40+ games due to injury
The Padres would not welcome Cronenworth being a free agent this offseason. No sir.
According to the system this site uses, Cronenworth has earned $2.15-$2.25 million less so far on his extension than he would have recieved in arbitration or about 12%.
Cronenworth has 5 years of shelf-life in MLB left. That is how long he is signed for.
Cronenworth and a decent prospect plus $8-$10MM of Padres cash spread over Cronenworth’s remaining contract years to Washington for Luis Garcia and Keibert Ruiz… who says no?
lol padres with zero doubt.
Simm, do you think that Fermin can play half the team’s games at catcher or more and be productive at the plate?
I like the little that I’ve seen of Fermin over his last couple seasons with the Royals and San Diego…
Yeah I do. I just don’t see any value in Ruiz.
We already gave up on home run Garcia not worth a bag of baseballs
Padres. Preller has already said they are not eating any of Cronenworth’s contract or attaching any prospects in order to move him.
Croney to the Giants for Casey Schmitt
I would do that.
If you were to rate the price for Pivetta/Croneworth like a restraunt or whatever, it’s $$$$
Pivetta to the Red Sox
PrellerFest 2025 is finally about to start!
One of my favorite events of the holiday season. You never know what to expect. But it’s never dull.
Consider all reports false. Consider any trade as possible.
My ex wife and a box of stale cookies for a supermodel type deals are all possible during PrellerFest. It’s a wondrous time of the year.
Expect anything indeed, including him doing very little at all (like last year); or waiting till mid March when the Pivetta deals emerge.
Can Crone play SS?
He originally was a SS. Last year he filled in at SS (was outstanding) for 13 games while Bogaerts was hurt.
The entire Padres team is former big league shortstops.
Most of the pitchers at one point were also shortstops, depending how far back you want to go in their playing career lol.
Pivetta and Cronenworth and $45M to the Rangers for Burger, Foscue, Jung and are #9,#13 prospects Owen’s and Castillo
Padres. like all MLB teams, are just doing their “due diligence”.
Padres will listen to inquires on all their players.
And, If, they can land lower cost, major league or major league ready talent back (perferably in mutiple players), then they are “all ears:”with action that may follow.
From a Giants fan, why dump Croneworth, money? Always thought he was a viable piece.
Because they have to shed salary and of the players the Padres have with large contracts, all except Cronenworth are either immovable (Machado, Bogaerts) or Padres fans would riot in the streets if they traded them (Tatis, Merrill).
Croneworth for Schmitt.
Cronenworth and Pivetta to the Tigers for Liranzo and Hamm.
Jake to Milwaukee or Chicago.
Tatis, Cronenworth and Campusano to Marlins
Alcantara, Weathers, Edwards, Ekness and Mack to San Diego