The Padres announced Thursday that the Seidler family, which has owned the majority stake in the franchise since 2012, will explore “strategic options” for the team, including a potential sale of the franchise. Kevin Acee of the San Diego Union-Tribune reported the potential sale just minutes before the team’s formal press release.
“The family has decided to begin a process of evaluating our future with the Padres, including a potential sale of the franchise,” chairman John Seidler said within this morning’s announcement. “We will undertake this process with integrity and professionalism in a way that honors [late chairman Peter Seidler’s] legacy and love for the Padres and lays the foundation for the franchise’s long-term success. During the process and as we prepare for the 2026 season, the Padres will continue to focus on its players, employees, fans, and community while putting every resource into winning a World Series championship. We remain fully committed to this team, its fans, and the San Diego community.”
It’s been nearly two years to the day since the untimely passing of late Padres chairman Peter Seidler, who passed away at just 63 years of age. His brother, John, was approved as the team’s control person earlier this year.
That appointment came after a monthslong legal battle wherein Peter’s widow, Sheel Seidler, filed suit against brothers-in-law Matt and Bob Seidler, alleging that they had breached fiduciary duty and committed fraud as successors of their late brother’s trust. Sheel Seidler accused Matt and Bob of selling assets to themselves at “far” below-market prices as they attempted to consolidate control of the franchise. Matt vehemently denied the allegations in a formal statement of his own, wherein he accused Sheel of “manufacturing claims” against other trustees in an effort to secure control of the franchise herself.
To this point, Sheel’s lawsuit has yet to be litigated in full. If it reached that point, it’d presumably be a yearslong process. There’s no indication that the parties have settled the suit outside of court, either.
At this juncture, it’s not yet known whether the Seidler family will sell the majority stake or seek new minority investors. Acee reports that one minority owner, who owns a roughly 10% stake in the team, is in the process of selling his stake in the club. Whether there will be larger portions available remains to be seen and is surely in part dependent on interest. Acee’s report also indicates that the preliminary $1.8 billion valuation of the franchise includes around $300MM in debt and “more than $150 million in paybacks to owners for two cash infusions made in recent years.”
As we recently saw with the Twins, who had a reported $425MM in debt while they attempted to sell the franchise for around $1.7 billion, that level of debt can prove a major obstacle in finding a buyer. The Pohlad family ultimately opted not to sell the Twins franchise, instead bringing in two new minority stakeholders whose investments in the club (coupled with an aggressive deadline fire sale) helped to clear that debt.
While the current ownership landscape is rather tumultuous, the Padres should still be in a position to command considerable interest. Both Forbes and CNBC have reported the team to be profitable. They’ve set franchise attendance records in three straight seasons and ranked second in the National League in terms of attendance this season — thanks in part to a lack of competition in terms of major sports teams in the market — but still enjoy the benefit of receiving revenue-sharing funds due to the size of their market. In that sense, even with that notable debt and some infighting among the current owners, the Padres have many points working in their favor if the Seidler family does choose to pursue a sale of the majority stake.
Acee further reports that even as the team explores a potential sale, one source described the team’s baseball operations as “business as usual,” adding that payroll will be in the same general range as in 2025. The Padres opened the 2025 season with a payroll of nearly $210MM and tacked on a few million more over the course of the season. RosterResource currently projects a $201MM payroll, though that’s before any potential non-tenders or trades from the big league roster.
The Padres were far more free-spending under Peter Seidler’s watch than they have been since his passing. “Business as usual,” in that sense (coupled with a repeat of the 2025 payroll), seems to suggest that San Diego will need to explore creative deals to address various holes on the roster. The Padres have utilized complex contract structures (e.g. Nick Pivetta’s backloaded, opt-out-laden four-year contract) to keep payroll in what current ownership deems an acceptable range. They’ve also worked aggressively on the trade market to find low-cost options at areas of need (e.g. catcher Freddy Fermin, closer Mason Miller) — but in the process have further depleted an already thin farm system. They’ll now look to fill multiple rotation holes and perhaps add a bat without much in the way of financial flexibility.
Further cementing the notion that the status quo will be maintained, at least from a baseball operations standpoint, Acee writes that John Seidler and president A.J. Preller have been discussing a contract extension which could be finalized in the near future. Preller is entering the final season of his most recent contract extension. He’s been running baseball operations in San Diego since 2014. Readers are highly encouraged to read Acee’s piece in full, as it contains more granular details about the current financial structure of the ownership group and quotes from various anonymous sources on the possibility of a sale and the long-term outlook of the club.

Good. They are dodgers fans, anyway.
conflict of interest
Finally! This is great news! Not only are they Dodgers fans, but they are broke as f@#k! I’m gonna email my boy, Steve Ballmer, and have him clean out his ashtray and buy this team!
I’ll sweep this Aspiration stuff under the rug myself if Steve-O buys the team
Peter Seidler transformed the franchise into something exceptional. I think that transformation will survive this upcoming transition regardless of what direction it goes. San Diego is a smaller but very affluent market. The Padres will be fine.
The Padres will be fine? if they don’t find a buyer, they’re telling Padres fans that they won’t be spending any more money..
Transformed what? They won a game in 1 LCS.
Funny how when “Dodgers fans” ended up in the front offices of Petco Park, the Padres went on one of their best runs in franchise history.
How is that funny?
I think it’s awesome, honestly. I’m a Dodgers fan, but I have a ton of respect for the Padres Organization as a baseball fan. Small market team, that hangs with the big boys in the large markets. I think that they’re one of the best run teams in baseball. And it all started with the O’Malleys and the Seidler fam.
I’m a Padres fan and hopefully we get someone that runs the organization like the Dodgers do.
it doesn’t say much about the dodgers other than the fact that they are rich enough to buy the best talent on the field and in the front office.
True and they have the ability to have the #1 farm system despite not picking no where near the top for over a decade. They may have plenty of money to throw around but they spend it wisely.
when ya dont need to trade away talent ……
Nah.. the biggest advantage for the Dodgers is the money that they can spend on player development. There is no luxury tax on front office personnel. They never pick in the first round, but they consistently have a top 5 farm system. And they use that system to trade for guys like Betts, and Glasnow. They are almost always the most active team at the deadline, because they always have the prospect capital. Look at the 40 man roster. I’m not a math guy, but most of the roster is either from the farm system, or were cast offs and DFA’d from other organizations.
people care too much about the luxury tax, what teams care about is the bottom line and that bottom line for the dodgers just gets more and more space and has year over year since they were bought by guggenheim.who had the unique ability to pump cash into the team at a loss as an investment and could leverage future costs on their own books which eventually led to making money hand over fist.
I hope the new owner follows that blueprint.
The run of winning happened when Peter Seidler, definitely NOT a Dodger fan, took over the team. After Peter’s death in Nov 2023 and then after a year of there being an independent administrator of the team, his money-grubbing brothers have taken over and now are trying to capitalize on what he built to enrich themselves.
The transformation started when Ron Fowler, definitely NOT a Dodger fan, hire Preller who is definitely not a Dodger fan and allowed him to remake the organization from the bottom up starting in 2016.
In this case the Dodger fans, Peter’s brothers, are the problem.
It’s mostly sarcasm, I just naturally have to throw shade at the for up north. This front office/ownership has been great imo. I’m very excited for the future and potential of new owners with “deeper” pockets. Go Padres
John Fisher, the owner of the A’s, is a Giants fan, funny enough.
I wanna see Sheel do an interview to expose Peter’s brothers and how greedy they are. Sheel deserved better.
Maybe a good move to start fresh after the passing of the best Padres owner in our history.
Moores was quite good and spent money to win the NL pennant.
until that nasty divorce broke him
Good? if they don’t find a buyer, they’re telling Padres fans that they won’t be spending any more money..
They aren’t telling padres fans that at all. Matter of fact they said they will continue to put a competitive team in the field.
Them selling the team feels like a lot more to do with the law suit, the lack of a controlling owner who has a large stack. The largest share holder is the Peter seidler trust which goes to his wife and kids. At the same times was being ran by the brothers who are being sued. Then enter their brothers puppet mechanic brother to run the team. He is clearly in over his head.
So with all that mess it’s best to sale the team. Nothing if it as it states in the article the padres have been profitable of late. 2020 a lot of owners lost money. That caused added debt.
Angels fans punching the air (waiting for Arte to sell the team)
Arte needed to sell years ago
For the Love of Pete(r)! please do it!
Be careful what you wish for.
Does anyone have Joe Lacob’s cell #? After Selig screwed him out of the A’s, here is his chance to get a California team. Please.
Hopefully, new ownership will realize that a GM who’s hired six different managers in ten years and won absolutely nothing, probably isn’t the right guy steering the ship…….
Good thing you aren’t the Padres owner.
You mean the same GM that’s turned the Padres from total irrelevance into a playoff contender?
I’d argue that Preller isn’t “steering the ship” but rather following orders. Roster management/ spend totally changed when Peter came in and then again when he left. It’s pretty obvious Ownership is calling the shots and simply relying on Preller to play it out.
I’m pretty much the same. The last couple years operating within obvious financial constraints has been his best work ever IMO. Two 90 win seasons in a row after losing Soto, Snell, Hader etc. is solid work
That is wrong. Read what Ron Fowler said about this back in 2016. Initially ownership asked Preller to make a splash in 2015 in order to increase ticket sales and sponsorships. That worked with ticket sales up 10% and other revenue up as well, but the team didn’t win.
After that season Fowler said that they were going to follow Preller’s 5-year plan to tear down and rebuild the organization from the bottom up with the goal of contending in 2021 and beyond. What is happening now is Preller’s plan that ownership bought into and followed through on. The only deviation from that plan has been when Peter Seidler stepped in and hired Bob Melvin and pushed a few signings, specifically Bogaerts and the extension of Machado.
So you think Preller planned to spend 2016-2020 building up the system and then 2020 to 2025 trading every single piece the system yielded not named Tatis or Merrill?
Sign the Machado, Bogaerts, Darvish & Cronenworth contracts and then lose Soto, Snell & Hader a year later?
In order for Preller to be orchestrating all this he would have to be the most bi polar human being alive. The only thing that makes sense is ownership (which changed 3 times between 2019 and 2024) directing him what they want,
Fowler literally said that the plan was to rebuild the organization with the goal of contending in 2021 and beyond.
I don’t have to think, I know.
Nothing else you said has any bearing on the situation.
A little bit of facts for you. The Padres traded Soto, allowed Snell and Hader to walk in FA, and won MORE games than with them.
Preller may be bipolar. He is also brilliant. Your post makes it obvious that you have a long way to go to even understanding the situation, let alone his actions. The plan never changed.
99, I don’t think, I know. Fowler said it. Preller did it. You can try to argue all you want, but the facts are the facts.
Web- it’s been pretty widely reported the padres after the failed attempt in 2015 to win targeted the 2020’s their compete window. The entire 2020’s. First half of that decade they have done so. Yes they haven’t finished the job but you could argue it’s been the most competitive the team has been in its history during the 2020’s.
There maybe some challenges to stay competitive from 26’ to 30’ but even with the ages of a few of their players along with back loaded deals they should have a real shot to do so. Where it could get ugly is in the 29’ to whatever year manny and Xanders contracts end think like 33’ season. That’s several years from now and who in the heck knows what happens between now and then.
Worse case hopefully is even if they arent good those last few years the fans could be watching manny finish off a hall of fame career. With 3000 hits and 500 homers both still on the table.
“I dumped on Preller a lot over the years but he’s actually done a really decent job the last 5 years”
Has he? That’s not rhetorical, I’m really wondering. I mean, yeah, they’ve been contenders, but it’s been by signing contracts that already aren’t aging well, and at the cost of virtually all of their prospect capital,
I get it, that’s what prospects are for, to feed the major league team, but if you go from having the best farm system to the worst, being playoff contenders should be seen as the expectation, not something exceptional. It’s like someone draining their 401K to buy a luxury car and saying “wow, how did they afford that car? They must be great with money!”
He deserves credit for building the farm system, but that process started years ago. The real test of Preller’s ability is going to come in the next few seasons when his MLB roster will be hamstrung by bad contracts and no longer able to rely on the farm to provide reinforcements.
Vegas- this is like the 5th straight year I’ve heard this narrative that they don’t have prospects yet they find more. Almost all the prospects they traded in the last year were ones they found the year before.
If you draft well, sign high end international prospects you can rebuild a decent system in about 1.5 years. Preller and his team has done that.
He will replenish the system soon enough. Then likely trade them all away as well.
That is the case for most MLB franchises.
Like in Boston when John Henry had ordered Dombrowski
to “win a Championship no matter what, then tossed him over board after the Parade because Boston wanted to do a “fire sale” and tank for high draft picks for a handful of years and Dombrowski was interested in winning now and every year.
He has made the Padres competitive each season and has grown fan interest. Keep up this level of committment and the Padres will win it all. I do agree Hosmer, Boegarts, Crone agreenents were ridiculous. Tatis, Machado contracts, were no brainers.
I can get behind that. His role was to build a contender and grow interest in the team. I mean I never thought I would see so many Padres fans so that is a testament to his success. The issue is sustainability. Clearly it is proving difficult for the Padres to sustain this level of winning without the TV revenue they were expecting.
Its hard to sustain when the contracts are backloaded and the backload start coming due. Perfect example is Machado still hasnt even hit the high value of his contract last season he wasnt even half what he is due for the 2027 (17 vs 39) or pivetta this year with two and a half million in 25 to twenty million in 2026.
personally i thought the arbitration would have been higher but just even with the modest increase but they are pretty much already at last years payroll at the start of free agency and they havent signed anyone. They could potentially use a setup/closer, starter, 1b and lf/4th OF depending on if you think Laureano is for real.
They don’t need any pen help at all. They do need a 1b/dh and starting pitching. Which they will find.
In what way is it proving difficult for the Padres to sustain this level of winning? They increased payroll to $270,982,152 in 2025 which was the 6th highest in MLB and won 90 games. They were one of only a literal handful of teams that increased payroll at all. The ownership and FO have said that level of spending is sustainable. So please explain why you think that it’s not.
With all of the increases due to existing contracts and arbitration raises the Padres are at $188 million or about $30 million below last seasons end of season payroll. At $227 million they are $44 million below 2025’s CBT payroll
@web
fangraphs.com/roster-resource/payroll/padres?seaso…
ended 211 payroll in 2025 currently 201 payroll
if you are talking cbt which is what they are taxed at (not actual pay out dollars) that is different and even then the numbers arent right. they are estimated at 234 and based on same site their cbt was 263 last season. This which would make it under 30M and not 40+M which is a between a low upside 3 to 5 pitcher or solid position player with some potential upside.
Roll,
legacy.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/cots/nl…
Padres are at $188 million which includes several people that may be non-tendered. They ended 2025 at $214 million
$214,698,927 End of year payroll
$270,982,152 CBT payroll
In what way was Cronenworth a ridiculous contract?
His contract started with the 2024 season. 2024-2030
To date he has provided 4.3 WAR worth $40.85 million in value.
He has been paid $18.57 million.
That is $22.279 million in surplus value or more than 100% surplus value in the 1st 2 years of the contract.
Cronenworth has been a bargain to anyone that actually takes a look at his performance vs what he is being paid. Think about it this way, he could have a 0.0 WAR in 2026 and STILL have provided more than $10 million in surplus value on the 1st 3 seasons of his 7 year/$80 million contract. If all he does is repeat 2025 in 2026 then from 2027-2030, 4 seasons total, all he will have to do is provide 1.5 WAR for the Padres to break even on the deal. In four seasons. Considering the only time he has produced less than that in a single season is when they stuck him at 1B for 106 games in 2023, I think it’s a given that he will beat that number over 4 years.
So please, explain how his contract is ridiculous.
The other thing on cronenworth’s contract is he is signed through his age 36 season. So it’s not up to his high 30’s. Which means there is a decent chance he can hold his value most if not every year he is signed for.
The manny, Xander and Darvish deals take them to their 40’s which is more concerning. Cronenworth has a pretty good chance of being worth his deal through his entire contract…while the other likely won’t.
My wife is somewhat of an oenophile and she just bought a 3 bottle case of 2004 Screaming Eagle Cabernet Sauvignon. IYKYK. Now SHE is an expensive wino.
You just seem like a troll.
The Padres have done something that Angels fans and the fans of 22 or 23 other teams only dream about, being in the playoffs 4 out of the last 6 years and having a .556 win percentage over that period. Instead we have suffered through a .445 win percentage and not even a sniff of the playoffs. Sounds to me like the team you root for is right there along with the Angels.
Your 2 buck chuck is waiting for you.
My wife and I got a bottle of the Screaming Eagle 2007 Cabernet Sauvignon for our anniversary and one of our guests said that its a $4000 bottle of wine. We don’t know whether to sell it for a downpayment on a car or sip it out of shot glasses like you would a Macallan 25-Year Sherry Oak Single Malt to stretch it out.
I guess Peter’s brothers weren’t all that committed after all?
The franchise is in huge trouble. Small market, bad local economy, bloated and lengthy contracts for aging veterans, constantly depleted minor league system due to roster-correcting trades….I said it the other day but this team is a few injuries away from finishing with 70 wins at some point in the next couple of years.
Preller restocks a farm faster than anyone. He’s in a tight spot again this year but I’ve seen betting against him putting a winning club together is usually a bad bet. They’ll have to pay eventually once Bogey and Machado are completely dead money but I think the Pads will manage to win 88-90 games again.
Yes he does but has it ever been this depleted? I mean he literally traded away the entire farm system and now they are ranked dead last. Who comes up in the event of an injury? It has worked out well enough the last few years but how much longer can it go on?
8times they still have two too 100 prospects. They have a few arms they came up late last year and a couple of others that can help them this year.
They will also sign some dudes to minor league deals but they really don’t need much. Plus they will add some more prospects to trade in jan 15ths international signings they have a great pipeline if bringing talent in that way.
@Wagner>Cobb ok, Kevin Acee, we hear you.
LOL “Franchise in huge trouble” according to Forbes only the Dodgers and Athletics gained more value in the last year than the Padres. “Bad local economy” supported 3.5m people through the gates last year. Kind of sounds like you don’t know what you are talking about???
doomers’ gonna doom.
“more than $150 million in paybacks to owners for two cash infusions made in recent years.”
Maybe not huge trouble but living beyond their means. Owners have been topping them up.
Foppert it also says the have been profitable the last couple of season. Sounds like they lost some money in 2020 and 23’.
Yeah. I read that. Not sure how you can be profitable when you have had cash calls to the tune of 150m over the last few years. That’s a lot of cash. It’s half your existing debt which I assume is maxed out from an MLB rules perspective.
The harsh reality is you have been a mid market revenue team running like a high roller. Time to pay the piper is what it looks like. Owners gave it one final crack last year and have now said “enough”.
I would not doubt that every team lost money in 2020.
Greupner said that the Padres have not lost money overall since then. They did lose money in one month when DSG defaulted on that payment, but MLB covered 80% of their losses. Since then, their revenue has continued to grow.
$150m in cash calls. Revenue obviously hasn’t outpaced expenses.
Foppert- the problem is the reporting says words like few years and recent years. Was there a cash call in just 2020? Was it in several years since. We just don’t know the true economics. The seidlers also bought 200m in debt 11 years ago. Is that still part of the debt or did they pay that off and have run up a new 300m in debt.
Either way it doesn’t really matter all that much as the value of the team has well outperformed the debt. So in the end investors will still come out ahead. The last handful of years where the spending has gone up and perhaps the debt has lead to pretty big revenue increases.
According to Manfred, every team lost money in 2020 and as a whole the 30 teams had estimated “operational losses” of $1 billion. forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2020/12/22/mlb-teams-…
Not sure I truly believe that since payroll and other costs were down 60+% while TV money was guaranteed. They didn’t get any ticket or sponsorship revenue, so maybe they truly did lose money, but Scott Boras said that not a single team actually lost money (latimes.com/sports/story/2020-12-04/scott-boras-ma…) and I tend to believe him since teams spent $2.5 billion less on player payroll, $300 million less on payroll for their FO, coaches, and other team personnel $800 million less on minor league related expenses including player and coaching salaries, and $1.4-$1.7 billion on stadium related salaries and expenses since there were no fans inside. They did still have to pay for stadium construction related debt, but many government agencies lowered lease payments and a few even deferred bond payments on stadiums for that season.
We just don’t know for sure with the exception of the Braves and Blue Jays whose books are open to the public because they are owned by publicly traded corporations. Both of them showed losses of between $49 million for the blue Jays and $67 million for the Braves in their shareholders reports for 2020. If you are interested, you can download the Liberty Media shareholders report from their website at libertymedia.com/investors/financial-information/a….
For the Blue Jays that $49 million in operational losses included $41 million in expenses related to having to move their team to the US to play games.
For the Braves, $40 million of that loss was paying down their outstanding debt associated with Truist Park.
For the Padres we really don’t know with the exception of a few comments by Ron Fowler during the period before games started in which he said they might have to make a cash call if the season didn’t start soon. At the end of that season, he sold the majority of his holdings in the Padres to Peter Seidler so that Peter would have enough shares to be the managing partner.
What part of they have “set attendance records for three consecutive years” did you not understand?
So then you’re predicting a 70-win season for the Padres in the next two years? Remember that.
I didn’t say anything about attendance. I said the roster was aging and that the team was saddled with several long term, high dollar contracts and that if those aging players started showing their age, it would be bad for them. How was this controversial? It’s literally reality. You guys are coping,
While you are entitled to your opinion no matter how mistaken you are, you should really research before commenting. That way you don’t look like a complete idiot.
There are exactly 3 players on the roster that are 32 or older and on a long-term contract, Machado (32) and Bogaerts (32) are both under contract for 8 more years. Darvish only has 3 years left on his deal. Among the 12 playoff teams, only 4 of the 12 had fewer players 32 or older on long term contracts.
As far as team age, the Dodgers were the oldest in 2025. As of today, they will be again in 2026.
The Padres ranked 7th overall, just behind the Mets. 3rd in batter age and 13th in pitcher age. The Padres will get younger in 2026 with players including Gurriel, Diaz, Maldonado, Iglesias, Heyward, and Suarez no longer being on the roster.
Try again after you actually look into what the facts are.
Websoulsurfer again just flat out lies. The part that kills me is that there’s no reason. The team isn’t full of a ton of old players and yet you still lie about their ages. For what?!!?
We all have access to the internet. Manny Machado and Bogaerts will be closer to 34 on opening day.
I really dislike posts that call people liars and then get the info incorrect.
Machado was born in July and is going into his age 33 season.
baseball-reference.com/players/m/machama01.shtml
Bogaerts turned 32 just after the season ended according to his Baseball Reference page and will be 32 for the entire 2026 season.
baseball-reference.com/players/b/bogaexa01.shtml
Please make use of the internet before calling out others on here. Go fact check his post. I can’t find anything that is not factual. If you can, post a link.
Couldn’t help but defend yourself on another account eh.
“There are exactly 3 players on the roster that are 32 or older and on a long-term contract, Machado (32) and Bogaerts (32) are both under contract for 8 more years”
In what world would you cite the player’s age from the season before when discussing the future? It’s disingenuous at best. Manny machado will turn 34 this summer.
Not sure where you got your info from but ESPN has the Padres as the 2nd oldest team in baseball last year. And all of your best players besides Tatis, Merrill, Miller, and Morejon are on the wrong side of 30.
I also don’t agree with your framing. Call me names all you want, I don’t care.
Players signed for 2+ years that are older than 30:
Bogaerts, Machado, Darvish, Musgrove, Cronenworth, Pivetta, and Matsui. Projected payroll is already likely over 200 million and your rotation is eviscerated with injuries and departing free agents. Darvish is hurt, Musgrove is hurt, Cease left, King left, and Suarez left. Maybe you guys will get one or two of the free agents back but that’s still an open question. You certainly won’t get them all back. So how will the team recoup? Likely through trades. That was my whole point from the get go before people started crying on here: the best players are aging and trying to constantly rebuild with trades is a lottery. A year with too many injuries or if age catches up to too many of the older players would be a disaster, like it would for other teams in the same boat.
“Eh?”
lmao
Your level of trolling is so bad that with each post you have to change the goal posts.
San Diegos economy is robust and growing. The population is SD is also growing. The team is also a few moves away from winning it all.
Now if they can get a media deal, they should be fine.
Cost of living is astronomic and household income is noticeably below it. There are few truly high income opportunities in the city. That’s all I was referring to.
According to FRED, the Federal Reserve Bank of St Louis, the media income in San Diego county is $103,476 for 2024 and only 6 counties in the US have grown more overall in the past 24 years.
While the US median household income has grown from $42,230 to $83,370 or 197%, the median household income in San Diego county has grown from $47,994 to $103,476 or 216%
Everyone is facing rising costs across the county. In San Diego median household income may not be keeping pace with inflation, but it is doing much better than most of the US.
Is there anything else you need to be educated about? It seems you don’t do any research before spouting off and it’s really making you look bad.
Yeah the better statement is the whole country is underwater. Would have been more correct.
Yes it is. That happens when the top 1% get trillions in tax cuts and the middle class is expected to pick up the slack.
“While the US median household income has grown from $42,230 to $83,370 or 197%, the median household income in San Diego county has grown from $47,994 to $103,476 or 216%”
That is a 97% increase and a 116% increase actually. Mathematics are not your strong point apparently.
I was going by the figures given by the Fed. If you don’t like them, take it up with the Federal Reserve Bank of St Louis.
Either way SD is doing better than the nation as a whole. The numbers you used actually make it a higher percentage better.
US Labor Bureau has your unemployment above the national average and above the California average. Prices are also far above the national average. The economy is buoyed by the military base (which always be there) and tourism (which is flimsy by nature). Median household income is also very broad and overly generalized as a stat that doesn’t account for household variants. I prefer stats on unemployment and prices as being more objective.
You’ve done no educating, but you have shown you can get really mad when someone says something critical about your team or city. So kudos to you for being loyal I guess.
The fan base appears to be rabid, so my genuine question is does the team have its own broadcasting network to capitalize on that like the Yankees and Dodgers do? If not, why not?
My genuine question is why do you continue to troll long after you have been shown to be wrong?
Why do you keep changing the terms of engagement? Because you are just a troll. Trolls get muted. Say goodnight Gracie.
They make it so hard to be fans.
They really do.
Here we go again! These last few years were like it’s been too good to be true. We are due for a good fire sale. Some in-house drama to crash the wave right out from under us. Let’s see how this plays out
Keep. The. Faith.
It’s all I do and have ever done.
My faith has been tested many times over by Moores, Moorad, and countless others during the worst (blurst?) of times.
I’ll still be here when it’s all said and done, for better or worse!
Samesies Fins! Go Pads
🤙🏽😎🤙🏽
On the one hand, it never felt like anyone besides Sheel was anywhere near as passionate as Peter was.
On the other hand, I know there’s plenty of worse ownership groups out there.
If they sell, it’s got to be to the right group of people. This city loves this team and Lord knows we’re starving for sustained success.
I think that’s the scary thing. The Padres have had a good run of relative success the last number of years (in large part because of Peter) but what will a new owner bring?
Another John Fisher or Bob Nutting would be an absolute disaster for the Padres and their fans.
For what it’s worth, after Peter died, I thought the family would just do a fire sale and push the team way down the payroll list, but to their credit, they’ve kept the team somewhat intact.
They may not have been perfect, but sometimes the devil you know is better than the devil you don’t.
Hope for a hedge fund owner with cash to burn who wants to enjoy living in San Diego.
I don’t know that a potential cheapskate owner is in a position anymore to outright purchase a franchise in MLB, NFL or NBA. I could see it possibly happening in the NHL but not the other three. You don’t have the ability to drop a couple billion on the team then come in with a plan to run it bare bones like Nutting or Fisher. In today’s marketplace you’d have to inherit the club to pull this off.
We know they just wants to cash out. I have many concerns. Potential ownership groups will likely want some of the long-term commitments to be moved before purchasing the team. The only ones you could really move would be Tatis and Merrill. I fear they will sell to a group that is just happy collecting that sweet sweet MLB welfare like we had before Peter.
They could still move Machado if they pay down part of the deal. He’s still very productive. Xander is more of a problem.
They’d have to paydown a good chunk of machado’s deal. His deal was backloaded and pays $40MM from 27-33.
Machado for Giancarlo Stanton straight up. Who says no?
Lol. Yankees effectively only owe Stanton $34M over the next two seasons.
So you are saying the Yankess say no?
Machado would make the Yankees better but not, net of Stanton’s 34, $260M+ better.
If I’m controlling costs, I want Stanton. Manny is going to be drag on payroll 2 or 3 years from now and 5 or 6 years of that at $39M per ….
Me.
2.7, 3.1 and 4.1
These are the last 3 years of WAR for Manny.
Doesn’t seem to be downtrending yet and at only 32, I think the “2 or 3 years from now” is unlikely.
4-5, sure but that is after he has given surplus value. All of these long term (or deferral) contracts given out in mlb now are set up this way.
2.7, 3.1 and 4.1 WAR means he is not even giving surplus value NOW, let alone 4-5 years from now.
Also Machado is 33 not 32.
If I’m the Padres I’d send him packing in 2 seconds if the Yankees would agree to this.
Those years were at 17 mil / year. At about 9/WAR, the math says he is giving surplus now.
Correct he is 33 – sorry about that.
Manny Machado is on a $350m deal (his second $300m + deal from San Diego). You can dissect the payout however you want, but 2.7, 3.1 or 4.1 WAR is not surplus. It just isn’t.
The Padres need to move him now however they can. They have Tatis and Merrill on reasonable deals ready to carry the team forward, they need free cash to keep pushing. That isn’t happening with “Johnny Hustle” soaking up $35m a year. Trade him now, take on a bad contract eat money whatever. Cry once and get it over with.
LTC, Manny has been paid $39 million on his contract so far and provided more than $94 million in value. He will make $21 million in 2026. Only take 2 WAR to pay for himself.
From 27-33 he makes $35 million plus $5 million of his signing bonus annually. From 2029, his age 36 season, and on his contract may be brutal.
He would need to average 4 WAR from 2026-2028 and then decline at a MLB average pace for age 36 to age 40 to provide enough surplus value to make it close to a break-even proposition for the Padres. I don’t think Seidler had break even in mind when he pushed for that extension. I think he had a World Series in mind.
Another thing to keep in mind is that each playoff home game adds $15 million and each road game adds a $3 million “stipend” from MLB to the team’s revenue. How many have the Padres had over the last 6 seasons?
Thanks for pointing out that you have no idea what the value of a point of WAR is, nor how much Machado earned the past 3 seasons.
Then you double down on demonstrating your complete and utter lack of understanding of the value of WAR, of what Machado has earned on this contract, and what a surplus is. Great job. I didn’t think anyone could do that poorly.
Machado earned a $20 million signing bonus, $10 million in 2019, $10.2 million in 2020 due to the short season, and $30 million in 2021 and 2022 for a grand total of $100.2 million. For that money he provided 17.4 WAR or just over $150 million in value. A surplus value of about $50 million.
So far on this contract he has earned $49 million, $13 million in salary in each in 2023 to 2025 and $10 million of his signing bonus. He has provided just over $94 million in value. I know simple subtraction can be difficult for some. but even you can subtract 49 from 94 and see there is surplus left over.
Now from 2029, his age 36 season, to 2033 it may be a different story, but since he has been a Padre Manny Machado has provided a huge surplus value.
That contract is going to look bad once he gets into his late 30s when he is a 1B or DH.
I am sure that you are right about the last few seasons looking bad, but in the team’s way of thinking it’s the contract as a whole that matters. They realize when they sign long-term deals that the last few years are going to look bad to fans.
With Machado that will be over a 15-year period, the first 4 seasons of the 1st contract and then the 11-year extension. As of today, 7 years through those 15 seasons, he has provided 27.1 WAR worth approximately $250.6 million on the FA market (that changes each year and has gone from $8.5 million in 2019 to $10.25 million in 2025, so I am using an average not the actual season’s value) at a total cost of $149 million. So far, the Padres are up quite a bit as is the case with most long-term contracts.
Another thing to keep in mind is the value of money paid drops over time both in terms of how it is relative to MLB salaries and what its spending power is. Machado’s deal is already 24th on the list in AAV. by 2033 will it even be in the top 50? Top 80? I have not done, nor will I do the math to show what $39 million in 2025 will be worth in 2033 and how what effect that has on his value nor have I factored in salary inflation for free agents into the calculations going forward. Teams have teams of data crunchers to do that before they make offers to guys like Machado. I have neither the time nor the inclination to do so.
Fans tend to look at the contracts on a year-by-year basis and say “it’s a bad contract” because the player will no longer be covering their salary with performance in the last few seasons. Businesses obviously don’t look at contracts that way.
I am ok with restructuring the team. We have a group of really good players that we can add to and get even better.
Out of curiosity, who?
Vegas- in with you.
The minute Sheel sued the brother the large majority of padres fans either wanted Sheel or for them to look at selling the team.
While John did a fine job his first year. Anyone who follows the team closely could see he is not comfortable in this role. So less than a year after they are deciding to cash in their lotto ticket.
With that said we have no idea who will buy the team. Even if we feel like it’s an attractive team to buy and someone good will end up buying it. If not then this could turn bad.
He only showed up at the park a few times for games. It was sad looking up at the owner’s box and not seeing an owner up there after Peter was there nearly every game.
Web- even worse was when he spoke. Which has been extremely rare. He just never sounds comfortable. Like he was forced into a position by his brothers because he was the squeaky clean one.
Now what none of the articles have said yet is what about Sheel. They would need either her permission or some judges permission to sale the 24% stake the trust holds. Perhaps she is onboard. We haven’t heard a word from her yet. A potential buyer could just buy the other 76% or perhaps all of it.
Unlikely that she isn’t onboard or legally bound, but wouldn’t it be something if Sheel and the kids were bringing in other investors to buy out the bros’ 20%. Wonder if Greupner is going to speak about this, as a minority owner.
Brew, the Seidler brothers don’t own 20% of the team. Including the Peter Seidler Trust the family owns 20% with almost all that being in the Peter Seidler Trust of which Sheel Seidler is the sole beneficiary.
The Seidler brothers are the trustee of the Peter Seidler Trust that is the controlling entity of the Padres. John Seidler was named trustee after Matthew was forced out in the lawsuit by Sheel and the brothers used that trusteeship to have MLB name John as managing partner and control person.
There is one minority partner that is exploring selling their shares. Sheel Seidler may be able to leverage her being the beneficiary of the trust to buy those shares. It will be interesting to see what happens. I doubt that the Seidler’s can sell any more of what the trust controls while the lawsuit is still pending in Texas.
Web- the trust owns 24% of the padres, which goes to sheel and the kids. The other varies family members combined including the brothers own another 20%.
That’s what I also understood Simms
You are right. I got that one wrong.
Web- the whole thing is a confusing mess.
Then you have this other part owner (10%) who of which I have no idea is. Trying to sale their stake in the team.
Padres selling 100% of the team to a new owner seems like the best outcome. Though there will probably still be small % going to different people but at the very least there needs to be an individual who owns a large percentage of the team. This 24% here, 10% there along with lots of other small percentages elsewhere doesn’t seem ideal.
Padres revenue is now in the top half of MLB. They can no longer collect “MLB welfare”. At least not for a full CBA cycle.
No surprise after the fight that took place last year. The entire ownership group was never going to coexist long term.
Cart before the donkey. This is the result that one person in that fight was fighting that fight to prevent.
That’s your opinion. I saw a clear succession style power struggle. Neither party was going to coexist with the other without Peter. Sheel tried a PR campaign to no avail.
The power struggle existed even before Peter died, it just wasn’t known to the public. So I don’t disagree that they were never going to get along. Peter should have understood this when he attempted to lay out a long-term plan for his aftermath. Sheel feels the brothers are betraying Peter, and she genuinely seems to care about the Padres (my opinion yes). The brothers are just exercising their legal rights.
Yeah I respect your opinion but we’ll just see this one differently. You say the brother’s exercised their legal right but Sheel exercised her only play and that was a PR campaign. She completely lost me with the insinuation that they’d move and the chicken scratch drawing of why she should be in control.
I didn’t like that she made public comments about being treated as an outcast, true or not. But the actions we see playing out now sure don’t jive with the public comments made by the bros to honor PS and keep the team under Seidler ownership for decades.
That xander contract stings
25 million a year? Its not going to be the reason we cant win a championship. Overall, he played well in 2025. Keeping him until 40 could be a challenge, but worry about that later.
Yeah his contract length is the most concerning part. Wouldn’t be surprised if he is dfa’d before it ends.
That said they ate hosmers deal and in a few years that price of 25m will be worth less than today.
So far, the Padres are only down about $7 million on Bogaerts deal but unless he can put up a few 4 WAR seasons before the inevitable decline starts it is going to be ugly by 2033. The Padres were expecting the 5+ WAR player that he was in Boston and instead got a guy only 0.5 WAR above MLB average.
Yeah Xander has been disappointing so far. He is gonna need a big season or two soon or that ship will have sunk.
I haven’t lost all hope on him. He has had flashes of being very good. Just needs to put it together for a full season. I don’t have a ton of hope but there is still some hope.
I’m not disappointed in X, when he’s been healthy he’s above average and he’s a fantastic leader on the team. But it was always going to be a challenge for him to match the offensive number from Boston. The disappointment for me is that the Peter committed so much to get him. He was a PS signing. He’s not a burden as a player and person, he’s a burden as a contract.
Peter Seidler was 1 of 1. The rest of them can cruise right on out of town. Bye.
Nope. All of them.
I think his wife is true. The brothers look like imposters wearing Padres gear.
What is the going rate for a franchise that has a billion dollars tied to a failed core four players, has never won in the entire history of the franchise, and does not have a local TV deal in place?
If you’re a good prospective and committed owner, those can be all fixed.
Only the Dodgers drew more people to the ballpark than the Padres in 2025, there is no NFL or NBA to compete with in San Diego. So put that in your calculator and tell us what the value is.
What percent of revenue does that make up? Can the Padres sustain the payroll with no media deal? Maybe but if they had that deal, they likely are not in debt. Dodgers make a ton off their media deal . That sets them apart from the Padres in spite of attendance.
Most of the sports media outlets today put the Padres value between $2.1 and $2.4 billion. Not in the same stratosphere as the Dodgers or even the Red Sox. It is still far more than the $800 million the O’Malley/Seidler/Fowler group paid for the team.
I bid $1.35 billion plus the $450 million to pay off debts.. Could someone please lend me $1.8 billion?
@For the Love ¿Eres argentino?
FLotG, I’ll co-sign for ya thru Navy Federal…
2 billion plus. They have the stadium, attendance, image, to get even better.
The Padres have been on the up for 10 years. Keep it going.
You seem like a nice guy so sure, send me your bank rouging number and I’ll make the transfer by next Tuesday.
If the Twins had bidders with a reported price tag of $1.7 billion I don’t think the Padres would sell for a penny less than $2 billion.
Forbes puts the Padres value at $1.95B,
$2b or a little over is a good guess IMO.
Orioles sold for 1.7B too. Pads would definitely sell for at least $2B.
99, that Forbes valuation you are quoting was in March of 2025. Today they put the value at $2.1 billion.
Yeah, those “bidders” were one guy who is taking the White Sox offer instead. If there were others the deal would be closing now.
Also, having everything clicking on all cylinders isn’t always a great thing since it doesn’t leave much room for new owners to improve things and make more money. Buying the White Sox, for example, gives you a lot more potential increase when the team gets better (easy) when you improve the stadium (have you been to the south side lately?) and so forth. So a new owner can’t come into SD and do a lot better than the Seidlers unless he’s got some magic broadcast relationship to exploit.
Just a long way of saying temper your expectations until it’s clear what the outcome of the next CBA looks like.
Crise- that’s true that the revenue growth potential is less than in other places.
Though what’s worth more…the potential of revenue or actual revenue.
Crise, there were others that not only bid on the Twins but took minority equity positions that placed the Twins valuation at $1.75 billion.
Best, I read that the two investors each took a 10% position in the Twins for a total $400 million. Either my information about the percentage those investors took in the team is wrong or their investment places the valuation of the Twins at $2 billion. Where did you read about the $1.75 billion valuation?
For a team with top 12 revenue its more than the $17 billion the Twins were asking and the $1.725 billion the Orioles sold for.
Between $2.1 to $2.3 billion are the estimates that Forbes, CNBC, and the Athletic have been quoting today.
$1.7 billion was the price the Pohlads were reportedly asking for the Twins.
My only excuse for not typing that dot in between the 1 and 7 is being old.
I’ve heard anything from about 2b to 2.5b as the possible sales price.
If the padres current owners can get anything above 2b they will likely be happy. 2.5-3x what they paid 11 years ago.
It’s the big prize that keeps buyers buying teams. Problem is as a fan we don’t want someone to buy the team to just try and make money. We need someone that actually as the desire to compete.
Simm, if Sheel Seidler even allows the team to be sold, and I am assuming she will object and throw the entire thing into court, Ballmer or Cuban would be my choice as new managing partners and majority owner. Of course, we as fans don’t get to make that choice.
Her being so quiet right now makes me think she is gong with them selling the team.
I like ballmer but I could live with the rams owner. Kronke or something like that. He seems to just win at everything.
Machado contract was an “overpay” and too long.
Bogaerts contract shocked Boston and other teams as a huge overpay.
Cronenworth was an over pay and for too many years.
Hosmer was a dumb contract.
Padres should have kept more of their top young players instead of trading most of them away.
The financial situation was created by Ownership and Preller.
Preller is great at finding & drafting talent.
And, he uncovers some diamonds in the rough in FA and
in unlocking talent and performance that other teams miss for some unheralded players as FA and in trades too.
If the Padres had a stronger owner and/or someone to oversee Preller to veto some of Preller’s more questionable moves like the Nats deal with Soto, then the team would be better off long term and financially.
Add Sheel and the Bros shares and they still don’t have 50%+1 of the team ownership.
Investors probably own the rest of the team and would demand a sale to the highest bidder if it comes to that.
And, the Trust could be challenged by those owning the majority of the team.
And, the Owners of over 50% of the team could move to file the case in California where the team is located and where most of the events transpired, if it comes to that.
OR MLB could just step in and force the sale of the team like they did with the Dodgers and the Rangers.
Part of the problem is post-roids Tatis is not the otherworldly dominate hitter they thought he was going to be. He’s very good for sure, but he can’t carry the team the way he seemed like he could prior to the suspension.
They are also paying Cronenworth like a core bat and he’s basically a utility player who is a very OK hitter at best.
You realize he didn’t do steroids right? Or are you just trolling?
Are you positive about that?
The test shows positive
He used skin cream for a rash that had a banned ingredient in it—a pretty far cry from taking steroids from a needle on purpose.
Positive test and statistical drop off tell a different story.
Wagner please tell me what he tested positive for.
“San Diego Padres shortstop Fernando Tatis Jr. has been suspended for 80 games after testing positive for Clostebol, a performance-enhancing substance in violation of Major League Baseball’s Joint Drug Prevention and Treatment Program.”
– Jeff Passan
Yes that is correct and does that substance help him hit the ball further or make him Bonds big? Or was he stupid and used it to try to cover up his hand injury by trying to make it heal faster? He shouldn’t have done it, but you making it into something else is just silly.
Cope. His numbers are good, but are noticeably worse than they were pre-suspension. I’m hearing a lot of excuses for why that is but acting like I’m making that up is disingenuous.
And to be clear, I’m not saying you guys shouldn’t like him. He’s your player, I’m glad you like him, whatever. That’s what fans are supposed to do. But acting like there’s been no drop off is either delusional or dishonest.
Honestly officer, I thought it was just tobacco in those rolling papers.
You are making it up because you are trolling and trying to be silly
He dropped off from a 6.6 WAR in 2021 before his injury to 6.0 in 2025. I am ok with that. What an incredible bargain he is turning out to be for the Padres.
We will trade you Duran and Bello for Tatis.
It would take a lot more than that to get Tatis Jr. who is under team control for 8-10 years, a platinum glove RF
and when he has his best years, an MVP candidate.
Duran, Bello, Tolle, Early, Arias + would get the Padres interested in doing a deal.
It was a joke. He was saying Tatis Jr had dropped off so much and if that is the case then how about just Duran and Bello.
Tatis did test positive for Clostebol. Pretty much the most useless steroid for building muscle mass and one that is readily available in a cream used to treat skin conditions in the DR. Since he could not have contact with the team doctors during that time because of the lockout by the owners there is a tiny bit of leeway, but his agent should have been able to tell him what was in that cream.
Cobb is just a troll, so they are obviously not knowledgeable enough to realize that Tatis had 2 surgeries to repair the labrum tear in his shoulder. That is what the drop off in performance has been from. Even with that drop off Tatis was a 6 WAR player in 2025, top 10 to 12 in the game.
If Clostebol doesn’t do anything, then why is it banned?
The shoulder issues were in 2022. He’s played regularly since then and his stats are worse (but still good) than they were prior to injury/suspension.
So what is it? Has there been no drop off because he still puts up a 6 WAR? Or does he get a pass for the offensive drop off because of the surgeries as your cope for not dealing with the suspension? There’s no consistency to your argument.
There is one thing consistent about your posts Cobb. That is that you are a troll who keeps changing their narrative.
Clostebol is a mild anabolic steroid that stays in the human system for as long as 31 days after exposure. Controlled transdermal application of clostebol acetate has been reported to produce detectable amounts of its metabolites in urine, even after a single exposure. The accidental contamination of an individual after getting into close contact with another individual using transdermal clostebol acetate has been demonstrated after a single exposure.
In other words, if you don’t want to be caught, its stupid to use this steroid.
Clostebol is not as effective at building muscle mass as other, more potent anabolic steroids like testosterone or trenbolone. It is considered a milder anabolic agent.
Its most typical use in sports is by female athletes who want to avoid the severe masculinizing effects of stronger steroids. It has significantly lower androgenic effect than other anabolic steroids and no estrogenic conversion.
Clostebol acetate is approved for topical use in dermatological as treatment for minor skin wounds and in ophthalmological preparations. It is available as an over-the-counter product in pharmacies and drugstores in several countries and is mostly commercialized as a cream or spray in the form of acetate ester..
Trofodermin® is a pharmaceutical preparation containing 5% clostebol acetate and 5% neomicine sulphate that can be applied by cream or spray, that can be used to treat various skin conditions and wounds. Ringworm is one of those. This is what Tatis Jr used.
None of that is an excuse for a professional athlete not to reach out to someone, his agent or a team doctor, to find out if the drug is on the banned substance list and would get him suspended. He deserved his suspension if for no other reason than for being stupid.
Cronenworth had the third highest OPS on their team last year and his $$$ per WAR is comically better than Machado or Bogaerts. He’s also younger than those two with numbers getting better three seasons in a row. But don’t let any of that stop you from hating on the guy with like the 10th highest salary on the team. LOL
His OPS+ ranges from below average to slightly above average and you guys act like I’m slandering David Ortiz.
Explain how he’s getting “core bat” money again?
They signed him to a 7 year/80 million extension to be one of the core hitters with Machado, Bogarts, Tatis, and (recently) Merrill. If he’s not a core bat, why did they extend him?
so your definition of a “core bat” is a player that gets extended? Even if extended on the cheap?
7/80? That is pretty cheap for a 2 plus WAR player. Red Sox need a 2B. We will take him off the Padres hands at that price.
LOL at Tatis, yeah he just finished up a 6 WAR “down” season, he sucks. Get a grip.
5.9 War is worth more than 20.7 million. But he gets paid more in a few seasons as he should.
I literally said offensively speaking “he’s very good” but not “otherworldly”. His average ops+ went from 158 pre-suspension to 121 post-suspension. He is now “very good” but not “otherworldly”, unless you think he’s as good as Judge or Ohtani, in which case, you have other problems.
He also had wrist & shoulder surgery in between all that, acting like he isn’t the same because he isn’t using steroids is very disingenuous. He’s not even 27 years old, is he still capable of putting up Ohtani or Judge numbers? Yeah, I think he could.
That’s pure cope. Is he *actually* the elite hitter he was from ’19-’21 or is he a very good, but not elite, hitter who *might* still raise his numbers to pre-suspension levels? It’s clearly the latter and not the former. As of 2025 he is not on Judge’s or Ohtani’s level. That’s simply reality.
Hey think whatever you want. Tatis is making $16m less annually than Judge, $46m less annually than Ohtani. and he is significantly younger than both. If he didn’t post the numbers they did in 2025, oh well.
wags. Seems like you’re arguing with yourself. Tatis is not an elite hitter (top 5 in NL) and I don’t see anyone here arguing that that’s the case? Cope.
A lot of Tatis’ value comes in terms of WAR comes from the fact that he’s actually become a great outfielder. And yes, he’s still a good hitter, but I’d love to hear the argument for what makes him an elite *hitter* given his very good but not elite OPS+ and counting stats over the last 3 years. All I’m saying is there’s been a noticeable drop off from what he was before the suspension.
He just posted his highest OBP since 2019, his BB/K ratio last year was absolutely in the “otherworldly” class. He’s still getting better. If he finds his power stroke again he can totally post “elite” seasons.
His career OPS is higher than Vlad Jr’s, so I’m sorry for not taking your claims of Tatis’ downfall seriously…
Yeah the 2x platinum glove winner is a total bum.
I’m not talking about the defense, I’m talking strictly about his offense. Read the post again.
His offense is down vs a few years ago. Mainly because of his power numbers.
It’s also mainly mechanical because of his lower pull fly ball rate. If he can fix that the 160 ops+ guy can return. Will see
$11M AAV (Cronenworth) is hardly core bat money (unless your Nutting), and actually a steal for elite defense from a 2-time all star who was a Silver Slugger finalist this year as well.
The worst thing that ever happened to Cronenworth was when they moved him to 1B. His defense is great and largely wasted at 1B, plus he doesn’t have the offensive output for 1B. Left at 2B he probably has positive value.
Yes his value is at 2B. He also filled in at SS in 2025 and played exceptionally there. Money well spent if you ask me.
His contract is higher than fans like, but it’s not as bad as people make it out. Any guy who can play legit SS at the big league level with a positive career OPS+ is probably more worth it than not.
He was originally a 20hr and over 120 ops+ hitter and since theyn he’s mostly been basically a below average-slightly above average hitter. I’m not saying he’s not a good player or that he has no value. I’m talking about his general offensive drop off.
A “core bat’ is getting $20-35M AAV, not $11M
They extended him to be a key piece until the age of 36. Did they give him a 7 year deal to be mediocre like he was ’23 and ’24?
They extended him because he’s a fine player and they wanted to keep him. Got him for a good price in today’s market. The core hitters on the team are Merrill, Tatis, Machado and (they hoped anyway) Bogaerts.
Crone is making 12.8 million. Hardly core bat money, more like utility, 2nd tier player money. Tatis will make 20.7 million this year. About 10 other teams would pay Tatis 20.7 million. He tops out at 36 million in 2029. With inflation, i am not concerned about that amount at his 30 year old season.
MLB’s favorite most dysfunctional family
The Wilpons are back?!?!
The McCourts are pulling up. In separate limos.
I guess that’s what’s in
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Mark Cuban here’s your chance sir. The league rejected his offer to purchase the Cubs in 2009 even though he offered 200 million more than Joe Ricketts bought the Cubs for. If I’m being honest though they’ll reject him this time too if he has interest again.
It’s assume the league rejected him. I wonder sometimes how he would’ve done if he had bought the Cubs. Would they have still win in 2016? Would they have added on when they needed to but all but refused to add on? Would they have be the first team in the NL to repeat as champions since the reds in ’75 and ’76? Maybe, maybe not but fun to fantasize about it. That’s also what MLB the show is for. Budgets off (not just for the Dodgers) sign everyone to 10 year 300 mil dollar contracts haha
I’m no fan of the Rcketts, but then I look at the White Sox with Jerry and then I console myself with what the Cubs have.
I can’t stand Ricketts or his silver spoon kids.
Cuban gets emotionally invested in his assets, so yeah the Cubs would have won it all.
Cuban said several times it is not worth owning an MLB team the way baseball is run. No true revenue sharing, no salary cap/floor.
Smart man.
He’s always said he’s wanted to own the pirates though.
“This one belongs to the Reds” is just being a whiny little man like always with his constant bickering about “no salary cap” this, “big market advantage” that while ignoring Bob Castellini’s own cheapness.
I can see Mark Cuban owning a MLB team, if he wants to.
Pay off your debt with the ton of money you are going to make on selling the team. Should be plenty of money left over.
I’m waiting for the padres trade rumors to heat up. Still waiting from last year.
If the team is sold, I hope Padres fans get a decent ownership that cares about the team and not another John Fisher. Best of luck Padres fans, you deserve another passionate owner like Peter Seidler.
Probably for the best. Better to do it sooner than later and risk another Angelos family situation
Turns out Peter Seidler’s wife was right.
Sheel Seidler took quite a hit among fans for saying she feared the brothers were going to sell the team. Matt Seidler BS’d the fans by saying Sheel was simply being hysterical and reassured they wouldn’t sell.
She threatened that they’d move the team which was nonsensical BS in her fight to control trust assets.
She said sell or move, and one but possibly both are now happening. Hardly nonsensical. I’m not worried about relocation immediately, but new owners may consider long term media markets, one that isn’t bottom tier of MLB
There is no shot the Padres are going anywhere. The MLB doesn’t move teams from cities that actually work.
MLB has warned the Padres not to spend money, they would likely not stand in the way of them leaving. What has worked is having a passionate ownership group that spent all profits (and then some) on payroll and enhancing the fan experience. Without that it won’t work.
@Brew88 The Padres aren’t moving. GTFO here with that BS.
It’s not “the MLB” it’s “MLB!” Would you call it “the Major League Baseball” or “Major League Baseball?”
I’m TFIH with this
Well, on the other hand, Brew, the “brothers” are still facing her lawsuit. They may have decided that keeping the team and fighting that lawsuit isn’t worth the trouble. Sell the team, and the problem automatically goes away. Everyone gets paid, the Seidler family reunions will be difficult for a while, but maybe the family will mend.
And, I’m not behind either side, because I only know what I’ve read. Peter knew his health was failing. He could have put in motion plans to put Sheel at the head of the organization at any time, but did not. Sounds like the brothers are following the contract. Remember, they have a large, but not the majority stake. 10+ other owners own something like 70% of the team. There’s a certain accountability that the brothers have to the other owners, beyond family politics.
Settle down Ryan
Who’s that?
lol
I may be wrong, but from what I just read on ESPN Peter Seidler had beaten the cancer and died suddenly after having had surgery of some type.
From what this and other articles are saying, Matthew and John Seidler do not have much if any holdings in the team. They are just the trustees of the trust Peter Seidler left for his wife and kids and that trust owns 20% of the team. The Seidler brothers are in control of the team because they control that trust.
Sheel said on Twitter that he was in remission and died of an infection.
Thanks. I thought I had read something like that about Peter Seidler’s cause of death.
Still most likely survives (or never even incurs) the infection were it not for the cancer.
I believe her heart was in the right place. The brothers, this is an investment to them.
Peter wanted the franchise to remain in the family for decades, with his kids as core owners, and John as control person. Hard to see how selling the team honors those wishes.
Could be too many head aches for the Seidlers especially with the Sister in law’s lawsuit that will air the family’s dirty laundry. They may have decided that it would be better to just sell the team rather than tear their family apart in litigation.
If they sell and cash out, then no daily, weekly,monthly fights over the team, its direction, its spending etc…
To the brothers who are Dodger fans and were never involved in the day to day of the team this is a money grab. They see a way for them to make hundreds of millions off what their brother built. Sheel was correct. About everything.
A year ago all I heard was the brother plan on keep the team in the family for years to come. Less than a year later it’s up for sale.
Two of them are being sued, forced a third who is a mechanic to run the team. He did fine but listening to job speak will hurt your ears. Just doesn’t seem like something he is made for.
Honestly selling the team should be fine and fix these issues. While I love Peter he did t do the best job of leaving the team with a proper direction of who is taking over and how they could financially support the team.
Just out of curiosity, aren’t you a Red Sox fan? Why does a Red Sox fan seem to understand what is going on more than most Padres fans do?
Yes, I’m a Red Sox fan. Also a baseball fan and this was all over the baseball news and MLBTRADERUMORS.COM.
I still remember the lawsuit going on over the Peter Seidler trust and the ways his brothers attempted to drag his widow through the mud including barring her and her children who are heirs to the trust from attending Padres games. That was not a good look for them after the death of Peter Seidler. From this news its becoming clear that the things she brought out in the lawsuit are in fact true even though the brothers denied them at the time.
I have not looked into it but if that lawsuit regarding the trust is still active, the court can and probably would block any sale of the team.
About… ?
Hmm… Now why is it that @websoulsurfer arrived at the exact same conclusion? 😉
Interesting. It’s going to be interesting.
aside from Peter, the Seidler remind me of the guy that bought the most expensive golf clubs you could find but leave driver in the bag on a short par four With water on the right
Dean Spanos has entered the chat.
Spanos rumored to have said LA is big enough for two MLB teams. He added that Dodger Stadium could be a good destination and being a tenant has its perks.
*Blurred out finger emoji* pointed at Spanos Inc.
Add a hot poker
To anyone reading this who owns or might one day own an MLB team: please leave your team to a SINGLE HEIR not a committee of your relatives! Nationals are in a similar situation where old man Lerner’s relatives are trying and failing to run the team by committee.
I can see a power struggle for control of the financial decisions, direction, players, etc.. I guess this is for the best.
Kind of like the Pohlad kids in MN fighting to see who can sell the team first. “Grampa promised us a billion dollars. He said Veruca, it’ll be great. Now I wanna billion dollars!”
Or it could become McCourts 2.0.
For the sake of MLBTR and its readers, the new ownership needs to keep Preller.
No surprrise here as I predicted this.
The Padres should find a “deep pockets” well funded local owner who is committed to winning and also maintaining a high level of spending.
Mavs fan here. Just don’t sell the team to Patrick Dumont!
Translation: we can’t pay Peter’s bills.
Padres fans … it could be worse. Your owner could be one of the NL’s Scrooge McDuck owners. Bob Castellini (Reds) or (Pirates) Bob Nutting. Count your blessings.
You lost me after “Acee….”
I’ve been impressed today by the emotional state of Padres fans. I didn’t realize you guys would cry this much over relatively mild critiques I made above.
You didn’t ?
Where have you been.
Perhaps making sweeping wide critiques while thinking that you were proving a point when you didn’t elicited that response…
Oh please. The tiniest negative critique illicits that response from the gang. Padre gang tears are the most predictable thing on here. Have a read. The evidence is all there. You know, like in every single Padre post.
Maybe if you were right more often that would t be the case
Every. Single. Post.
Do you also photo bomb? Just curious
@foppert3
I’ve been away from the site for about a year. Hilarious behavior by them. I’m not a Dodgers fan by any stretch, but the Padres fans have serious little bro energy going on.
Dude. It’s a gang of petty schoolgirls. Mind blowing.
your peddy fantasizing is concerning, fopsy.
Unjustly calling someone a pedo… I thought the Dodgers or Yankees had the worst fans but you guys are doing your best I see.
I didn’t realize you could be so sensitive when proven wrong or I would have gone easier on you
Dude tries to push a false narrative, gets proven wrong and then tries to call every that proved him wrong names 🤣🤣
I haven’t called anyone names. I said you guys were action emotional and crying. Meanwhile I’ve had several people call me an “idiot”, which is fine.
And you haven’t demonstrated that anything I said was false. In fact, if you want to talk about questionable narratives, you specifically tried to pretend that Tatis’ PED suspension didn’t really matter, that the drug wasn’t really that potent, and even that it didn’t really happen.
it’s a trollers playbook, Midway
Your response to my questioning some of your above opinions or statements that I felt were inaccurate was met by you replying with a volley of petty insults and stereotypes. If you want to engage in discussion where there’s disagreement, don’t feel so hurt by the discontent you created.
I’m not hurt at all. I just think you guys are cringe.
So cringe that you can’t resist wanting to troll? Sad way to live a life.
I’m not trolling. I made a comment about my impression of the Padres medium-term future and you lot had a conniption. .
Serious inquiry – what is your age demographic?
“Cringe” and “conniption” are like 50 years apart.
Anyone who has a moniker of Wagner is better than Cobb is a troll. Your comments on here just drive that fact home. You are here for only one reason, to try to get an emotional rise out of people, not to further the conversation about baseball.
Here is the definition from the research paper Psychopathology of Cyberbullying and Internet Trolling.
“People who enjoy causing disagreement on the Internet. Whose behavior is intended to “annoy, humiliate, disturb, tease, provoke, or provoke people to react emotionally”.
Psychology Today published a great piece about the malady you and all trolls suffer from and said that “Internet Trolls Are Narcissists, Psychopaths” and that trolling somehow fills the vast hole in your social and emotional life. They went on to say that trolling behavior often reflects low self-esteem and includes behaviors like lying, manipulating (both spinning the meaning of conversations or attempting to reframe the conversation and manipulating the data underlying the situation), and seeking to harm or provoke others. Dr. Gareth Tyson said in his landmark research that trolling behavior often stems from psychological drivers like a desire for attention, feelings of power, and a lack of empathy driven by a deep-seated lack of self-esteem.
The sleepy little burgh has somewhat elevated. Nary a mention here of C. Arnholdt Smith.
Sheel Seidler was right about everything.
Seidler essentially did what illitch did, both knew their days where numbered and they where willing to go into the red to buy a championship before they passed. It didn’t work in both cases but was great for the fans.
But now the payroll likely will slowly get dropped to a sustainable level and some bad years might come. Hopefully it won’t be as bad as in Detroit who were bad a really long time until they made the playoffs last year
Reads like payback owners want their cash back. Padres don’t have it and can’t borrow it. So they need to sell some or all.
That maybe true. Second part is likely true if the first part is true.
The money issue is Peter had the money but now it’s all in a trust. Where there is a suit over it.
As much as the padres fans love Peter which they should. His death has left a mess. Think he should have just left his wife in charge until the kids came to age. With access to the trust to support the team. Something like 5b in that trust.
Just wonderful timing. Just as FA has started. So now you have all these unknowns as you try to build a multi year roster. They should have started this process last March. Not only players, staff and coaches. Anyone being recruited to come to SD is going to be wanting an ample degree of certainty before deciding to join up. He says that 2026 will be treated with the same level of commitment as the past. But what about longer term? No such guarantees can be given. This is just perfect.
Yeah that’s the biggest issue I have with this. Could have waited even a few months and it wouldn’t have been an issue.
Now there is a big cloud hanging over the team at a critical time.
Wonder what Pads Fans has to say about this
My guess is the same thing Baseballisthebest and websoulsurfer had to say about it.
I’m guessing both lfg and 2026 are the same account.
“Accuse your enemy of what you are doing, as you are doing it, to create confusion.” – Joseph Goebbels
Possible future owners of Padres:
1) Steve Ballmer 154.2B (Clippers Owner just built new Clippers Intuit Arena with private funds. Big sports fan.
2) Stan Kroneke Rams Owner Built SOFI with private funds worth 21.3B
Is lead investor in San Diego’s “Midway Rising” a brand new NBA/NHL caliber Sports Arena and housing Development in San Diego Midway District (Wife is also a Walmart Heir who inherited 13.2B)
3) Joe Tsai (12.9B)
Also owns: New York Liberty (WNBA), San Diego Seals and Las Vegas Desert Dogs, professional indoor lacrosse teams in the National Lacrosse League (NLL).
Family primarily resides in San Diego Neighborhood of La Jolla & Hong Kong . He was not selected in his bid for Carolina Panthers (NFL)
4) Irwin Jacobs Founder of Qualcomm 3.3B
Active with family in San Diego Community
5) Larry Ellison Oracle (Co Founder) 192B
Pursued ownership in Golden State Warriors and New Orleans Hornets
and did not have winning bids for those teams
6) Patrick Soon-Shiong’s (12.0 B According to Bloomberg)
Former Owner of San Diego Union-Tribune(sold it)
Owner of LA Times
And, that is just a starting list.
Many other very wealthy people who could cobble together a well funded Ownership group to buy the San Diego Padres.
Ellison (the money behind Skydance Media) and his son David Elllison’s recent purchase Paramount Global that includes CBS.
Maybe Balmer can partner with Kawhi and leverage Aspiration into the scheme.
Patrick Soon-Shiong was the lead bidder for the Angels but backed out because of pending lawsuits against the team when Arte refused to assume liability for those lawsuits should the team lose.
Lots of interesting names on this list.
Ballmer I think would be the most interesting given there is a battle in San Diego over being Lakers or Clippers fans. Buying the Padres could sway more of the community to support the clippers. Though he hasn’t shown interest in buying and MLB team.
Kroenke to me of this list is the most likely. Given his investments in the area. To go along with him and his wife owning just about everything sports related except an MLB team. Was rumored he was keeping an eye on buying the Padres ever since Peter’s death.
Patrick actually attempting to buy a team before has to make him a viable candidate. Though he may have only had interest in an LA team. Even though Anaheim isn’t all that far away it is a completely different market.
Tsai while owns teams doesn’t own any major sports teams. He did attempt to buy one and does have connections in San Diego so I wouldn’t rule him out but probably a longer shot.
Anyways the field vs this list would probably be the favorites. Since the last couple of teams were sold to people I’ve never heard of before. Still an interesting list and one that could become the new owner.
I have been reading back over all the media about the Seidler brothers and what went down with Sheel Seidler, Peter’s widow.
Seidler bros when sued. “We are never selling the team. It will be in the family forever. She lied about us trying to move or sell the team”.
1 year later when they get $2 billion valuation of the team. “We are selling the team now and cashing in on our brother’s success. Yes, we did lie to you fans, but we will be really rich soon so it’s ok.”
Really sad state of affairs with them trying to steal Peter’s kids legacy.
Yeah, it’s pretty shameless. I still haven’t seen or heard a word from Sheel since this new broke.
Perhaps they got her onboard with selling their team. Perhaps she isn’t and they will just sell their 76% that isn’t in the trust. Either way her kids won’t be running the team. As at best she would be a minority owner (and the kids).
My guess is the trust 24% will be apart of the sale. Though I’m not sure what legal hurdles if any that may have. That would then resolve this law suit. Doesn’t mean there won’t be some legal battle over the trust. There are other legal battles about the brothers selling off shares at a low rate to consolidate the brothers stake in the team. Not sure that was via the trust or some other shares.
It’s a real mess and hopefully some rich dude who wants to win buys it all.
Im no expert on legal matters such as this but it seems to be a bit of a mess of Peter’s making. He trusted his sibs which is admirable only to the extent that alternative undesirable (to him) outcomes should have been protected against.
Brew- Exactly my thoughts as well.
Leaving the trust to Sheel and the kids but then making his brothers the trustee’s was weird.
It’s like he wanted the best for his wife and kids but didn’t trust her. This has caused a real mess.
Billions of dollars can make even the most trusted of siblings into criminals. When none of them had even tens of millions in their bank accounts, it came to this.
Another one of those things where I may be wrong, but I thought that I read in a synopsis of the lawsuit when it was first filed that prior to Peter’s death, Matthew and John Seidler both had a net worth of less than $10 million outside of shares of the Padres they were gifted with most of their net worth being in homes they owned in Southern California.
Doesn’t seem great. What an offseason.
There shouldn’t be a comma before “either.”