The Pirates made a major addition to their offense yesterday when they swung a three-team trade with the Astros and Rays that saw them ship out right-hander Mike Burrows and acquire second baseman Brandon Lowe, outfielder Jake Mangum, and left-hander Mason Montgomery. Lowe is the major prize of that trade as a former All-Star with eight years in the majors under his belt and a career wRC+ of 123, but even after bringing Lowe into the fold GM Ben Cherington told reporters (including Colin Beazley of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette) that the team hopes to add another “proven bat” to the roster this offseason beyond Lowe.
Bringing in offense to help support a rotation led by superstar righty Paul Skenes has long been the goal of Pittsburgh’s offseason. The Pirates finished 28th in the majors with a wRC+ of just 86 last year, and while bringing in a bat like Lowe to join Oneil Cruz and Bryan Reynolds as a locked-in, everyday player should help, it won’t be enough to turn things around on its own. Lowe isn’t the only viable bat the team has brought in, of course; Mangum posted a decent 95 wRC+ in his rookie season with the Rays last year and it wouldn’t be a surprise to see him and freshly-acquired prospect Jhostynxon Garcia split time in left for the Pirates this season. The possibility of top prospect Konnor Griffin making an impact as the team’s everyday shortstop can’t be ruled out, either.
Even with those youngsters potentially ready to help Lowe, Reynolds, Cruz, Spencer Horwitz, and Joey Bart fill out the lineup, however, questions remain. Lowe figures to get the majority of the reps at second base, pushing Nick Gonzales off of the position. Griffin’s eventual ascent to the MLB roster could, too, push Jared Triolo off the shortstop position. Cherington noted that both players are working out at second base and shortstop this offseason, with Triolo also taking reps at third base. With Triolo and Gonzales being joined by Lowe and (eventually) Griffin, the team’s middle infield mix seems fairly well-set for the time being.
The hot corner is perhaps the most unsettled position on the roster for the Pirates after Ke’Bryan Hayes was traded to Cincinnati last summer. That would be a logical place for the club to look for an addition, and so it’s perhaps no surprise that the club has been attached to players like Jorge Polanco (who has since signed with the Mets) and Kazuma Okamoto in free agency. The trade market offers fewer obvious options than free agency, though the Cardinals’ Brendan Donovan is certainly flexible enough defensively to handle the hot corner and it’s not impossible to imagine the Phillies dealing away Alec Bohm. Internally, Triolo and perhaps Nick Yorke are options at the position, though the latter has only token experience there.
If adding a third baseman isn’t in the cards, that certainly doesn’t mean there’s no other way to add a bat. Andrew McCutchen’s departure via free agency leaves the DH spot wide open. Perhaps the Pirates could look to add a DH outright to replace McCutchen as the simplest way to inject life into their offense. The club previously made a significant effort to pursue Kyle Schwarber, and while he’s now off the market Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic recently connected the Pirates to veteran slugger Marcell Ozuna. Ozuna, who posted a respectable 114 wRC+ even in a down season last year, would be a big upgrade to the Pirates lineup but would leave them with minimal versatility. Perhaps, then, adding an outfielder or first baseman to the mix who could pitch in defensively in addition to taking DH reps like Ryan O’Hearn could make more sense.
Perhaps the trade market could be an avenue to upgrade even if the club isn’t looking for a third baseman, as well. The Red Sox are known to be open to trading one of their controllable outfielders like Jarren Duran or Wilyer Abreu, although the rumored price tag is sky-high. The Mets are seemingly open to offers on infielder Mark Vientos, who has experience at third base but profiles better at first, and players like Steven Kwan and Alec Burleson could at least theoretically be available as well.
The problem with taking a big swing on the trade market, however, is that Cherington appears hesitant to deal more from the club’s rotation depth after already trading away Burrows and Johan Oviedo. As Alex Stumpf of MLB.com notes, even Cherington indicated an openness to adding a back-of-the-rotation starter to the mix as he expressed reluctance to trade away more of the club’s depth.
“You don’t ever wanna say never,” Cherington said, as relayed by Stumpf. “Don’t want to cut ourselves off to something that just really makes sense for the Pirates short term and long term. But it would have to clear a bar for sure. At this point it seems unlikely we would do that unless we saw a player coming back that was an immediate fit for the lineup and also with some confidence that we can add a starter back in a different way whether that was through trade or free agency. I think that’s possible.”
That’s not fully shutting the door on a trade of someone like Mitch Keller or Carmen Mlodzinski from the rotation, but it certainly appears to indicate there are real obstacles to pulling off that sort of move. If the Pirates were able to add more depth via free agency, that could more clearly open the door to a trade that sends a controllable pitcher out in exchange for an impact player like Duran or Donovan. Zack Littell, Jose Quintana, and Tyler Mahle are among the interesting rotation options available who could be within Pittsburgh’s price range, should they go hunting for an arm in free agency.

Nick Castellanos available real cheap
Gross. Take it back.
Castellanos is owed too much money for the remainder of his contract, and is on the downside of his career
I am not really a fan of his but there’s 3 guys who I feel can be a fit as DH/cornee OF types. He, Tyler O’Neil, and Benitendi. They are all underwater contracts with power potential. I would not want to pay anymore than half their salaries and I feel like you can get Benny or Nick for no more than 5m. The latter being so far out of the Phillies plans.
He would be great for Pittsburgh. Please, I beg you.
He is owed 20 million and the Phillies are willing to eat 15 million. For one year you could probably still get 260/20/80 and you won’t have to give back any kind of prospect. Come on I’ll drive him to the airport.
@Marc L So he’ll hit like 2017-2019 Albert Pujols did? I’d rather the Pirates keep that $5 million and re-invest it into a reliever, and I’d rather the Pirates roll Jhostynxon García out in an outfield corner than to waste any resources on Castellanos.
I like the idea but teams know Phill will likely release him. Why pay him 5M when he can be signed for league minimum after he is released?
O’Neil, Benitendi, or maybe Teoscar are better options with Boston or LA paying much of the respective contracts for the Bucs to take those guys out n a deal.
Out of these three, Benintendi is likely the best and most affordable; last year, he had a 104 OPS+ season and a 95 OPS+ over the last three. He’s still owed 32.2 million over the next two years, but if a trade were to occur the White Sox could probably pay that down to a 12-14 mil AAV for the Pirates (taking 6-8m).
Close enough to hitchhike
Interesting factoid, Castellanos literally means ‘proven bat’ in Italian.
The Phillies should just ask for a case of Big League Chew, a box of baseballs and a Gatorade container.
It’s Spanish, but for many years I thought it was Greek.
he’s a Greek-American.
He’s Franco-American like the cheap canned pasta
Nah, his dad is Cuban.
I was going for the Franco American joke
How about —
(C) Edgar Quero
(LF) Andrew Benintendi
(3B) Miguel Vargas
–for–
(C) Henry Davis
(SS) Yordanny De Los Santos
(3B) Murf Gray
(OF) Will Taylor
(P) Antwone Kelly
(P) Reinold Navarro
White Sox pay down 15M on Benintendi – are the Pirates ready to move on from Davis? Quero looked good last season.
Pittsburghs farm system is stacked.
Pirates will end up with Tommy Pham rofl…
I wish we could get some of those Pirates draft picks for him
A great fit for Jhonesky Noel.
Nah. Go for a player who’s actually producing at least positive WAR/WRC+. Noel is more of the same, hopes and dreams
Japan or a long minor league stint is a fit for Noel.
Not gonna lie. Solid move by PIT, picking up Lowe an Mangum.
It was a solid move however not good enough to keep Skenes long term. Trade him to New York now. I’m willing to trade Pittsburgh Stanton for 3 hot dogs.
Another delusional Yankee fan. You ain’t getting skenes and why in the world would the pirates or anyone want the injury prone Stanton. He was a bad signing, amongst other bad signings made by the Yankees. Who prove year in and year out that they are a second rate team
Really! He didn’t say Grays’ Papaya!
It was obvious the guy was kidding.
And the Yankees didn’t sign Stanton, they traded a bunch of guys you haven’t heard of for him. And got the Marlins to pay $30 mil of the contract they signed him to. Still didn’t work out so well though.
@baseball
I don’t what’s more unbelievable, the fact you took him serious about trading Stanton or that you have the minerals to call the Yanks “2nd rate”? who’s won more chips than the Yanks in the last 30 years? Yanks have 5. And even tho we’ve come up short they’ve gotten lady luck down to her vickies just about every year. Except for a couple of teams most couldn’t even get a first date with her.
Yankee fans feel they are entitled to every commodity, including Skenes. It must burn their souls to see Dodgers buying all the talent up now
@pirates
Yanks fans aren’t the only.
Knickers….you said he was joking about trading Stanton for skenes. I seriously doubt he was joking. The mentality of Yankee and Dodgers fans is a cult like feeling of entitlement. And as the Yankees spend money erratically is amazing…THEY HAVENT WON SQUAT WITH ALL THEY SPEND.
You people should stop suggesting that Skenes should be traded. He’s not going anywhere
I thought Curt Schilling, Dutch Daulton and Scott Rolen would stay forever too
Man3 these people who are delusional about skenes being traded to their team,remind me of members of another cult.
In fact, this push to get bats is because of him standing up and talking about the need.
I was heartened by the trade for Lowe. And I’ll be ecstatic if Cherington does as he says in this article. They need at least one more bat in this lineup, maybe two, but I have to think that even bringing another bat will have the twin effect of rejuvenating Reynolds and perhaps waking up Cruz.
@theman
yet….yet… may not be the Yanks but we all know how this is going to play out.
You’d be surprised what having a couple of bats around to help Cruz and Reynolds will do to their own hitting. Take some of the pressure off.
Makes complete sense to trade away a controllable pitcher for a one year rental bat so that we can trade away the best pitcher on the planet for a prospect haul. Cashman needs you on staff.
He won’t go to New York. They aren’t what they used to be anyways. Dallas cowboys of MLB. Are they going to sign anyone by the way?
@wvsteve
if he’s traded he won’t hand much of a say. unlike the cowboys the Yanks have at least been to the playoffs and WS in the last 5 years.
Paul Blackburn
Skenes costs the Pirates less than a million this year, and he’ll sell more than a million worth of tickets. Even if it made baseball sense for them to trade him, they wouldn’t do it.
Yankees don’t have the prospect talent to even think about it and the only MLB talent they have that can compare is Judge and that isn’t happening.
Ryan O’Hearn feels like a fit
Pirates should (have?) put their Schwarber money toward Murakami. Perfect team to take a risk on him. He can try 3B but also have DH available.
(Yes, Murakami might not want Pittsburgh, but if they’re the best money offer and his choices are limited, he might be willing)
Take him to Primanti Bros. during the tour…
Murakami is a complete unknown as it pertains to his market and contract. There is no way that I would sign him for what MLBTR projected, given all of the variables other than light tower power. So I can see him ending up on an out of the box team that is willing to take a risk.
No he is not – a complete unknown would be a 26 year old from Cuba (who was actually 36). What he is … he is untested in the MLB. Fact is everyone is till they get an at-bat or 500. Also the guy mashed over multiple seasons in the second best baseball league in the world … likelihood is that he will do well in the US too (see a certain guy in LA as a reference )
@french – I guess that you missed the point. His unknowns led him to go to a rebuilding team on a prove it deal for a fraction of what mlbtr projected.
Not sure how the Japanese league rates to the MLs and AAA but my guess is half way in between.
My over under on strikeouts for Murakami over a full season is 210 with 25 home runs.
How does anyone know whether Cherington made an offer to Murakami? Not every offer is posted on this site
Today they released two players from their roster, that information wasn’t announced here
I like the thinking but don’t like the length of potential deal. It would wreck Pits ‘window’ if it went sour and there is a very high chance of it going sour.
Now, 2-3 year deals, yeah I’m completely in on that high risk approach.
Agreed, and the guy is still too much of an unknown to go this route. They need a legit bat or two.
If we’re investing over $100 million into a bat, it better not be for Murakami and his 63% contact rate in Japan. I’m fine with Okamoto and/or Suarez, but Murakami is an absolute no-go for anything more than $8-10 million a year looking at it from the Pirates’ prespective.
Murakami is young and has power.A decent track record in the NPB. Choice is simple safety/BA or Power/risk. Which fits better for the Bucs this year and going forward ? Because it’s a synergy to win games – you need a mix of OBP, HR and speed + some defence too.
For,me Lowe would be the perfect fit to bat ahead of Murakami not Okatomo. But hey I m a delusioned Red Sox fan WHO WANTS Mura over Bregman.
O’Hearn, Conforto, Arraez…
I say talk to the Dodgers and see if we can put Max Muncy on 3B.
Muncy is never leaving the Dodgers.
No on Arraez. He needs to change his approach to be more selective again, and the Pirates need power right now.
Call Toronto, Joey Loperfido needs a chance. He has no spot there. I’d also reach out to the Dodgers, would they move Alex Freeland, who like Loperfido doesn’t appear to have at bats available in the LAD lineup, who would immediately slot in at 3B.
LA’s high A outfield is sickly gifted. That org has so much to work with, $ plus, just ain’t fair!
Get Suarez 3b
Eugenio Suarez or Okamoto would take maybe three years and $45 to $50 million, both are risky but attainable.
Suarez makes a ton of sense for the Bucs.
Obviously it wouldn’t be a popular move to trade Skenes. If the pirates were close to turning the corner and being a competitive team year in and year out I would say you obviously keep him. I’m not familiar with the pirates farm system either so I’m not sure how close any impactful players are to making the show. Skenes however would inject so many high end prospects to their farm system if traded. Based on that Lowe trade it does appear that the front office thinks they are getting pretty close to competing for a playoff run.
Cherington isn’t looking for prospects, he wants mlb ready players
The most profitable move for the Pirates is to keep Skenes the duration of their control of him and only trade him at the deadline of his last season.
From everything i’ve read, management has spoken to Skenes about an extension but before he commits he wants to see an improved offense
Skenes volunteered his time to speak with free agents and with Cherington’s blessing
If they make the team somewhat viable and competitive while he (Skenes) is there, it’s better for the value of the franchise itself.
They have a chance to be competitive depending on the rest of the off-season.
NOBODY WILL/CAN OFFER FAIR VALUE FOR SKENES. STOP TRYING
Agreed. If you’re the Yankees, back the truck up and offer your top 5 or 6 kids. No? Then see if you can get Skubal and take a hike
Skenes makes a franchise money. 5 or 6 kids don’t.
Please stop, lol. The Pirates have a price for everyone on their team. Skenes is not staying in Pittsburgh, wasting time thinking that. Reminds me of who?!? Cole…(not Tucker) every single pirates hopeful fans thought he was never going to get traded, well how did that end. I do, ended up winning a World Series for Astros.
The pirates will not be able to attract any valuable free agent due to their proven commitment of not fielding a competitive team.
Small market argument is a thing in the past too many smaller cities have spent money to field teams.
Expect this team to find reclamation projects or players dfa from teams out there adding players. The claims of them offering Kyle schwarber a low ball offer is actually a slap in the face to free agent players and their fans. Got all pirate faithfuls thinking they are to be taken serious.
Cole was traded after 5 years in Pitt. Skenes is on year 2. Yes he will most likely be traded after another two or three years but not this offseason
26-Skenes would never be signed long term by any small market team because the insurance alone would be astronomical.
Gerrit Cole left the Pirates because he was concerned with one thing- money.
If you were paying attention he never has won a World Series and with the Dodgers buying them even more than the Yankees may never will.
Pirates fans knew that he would be gone and the only question was when.
He had two years left and Huntington would have been able to get more than he got if Cole was respected throughout the MLs.
The bottom line with Cole was wearing a Scott Boros hat right after the Astros lost to the Nationals in the 2019 World Series.
Except for the Brewers the Pirates are like every other small market team in ramping up their total salary when they have a good team.The problem has been poor hitter development and poor coaching which has caused them to be awful or below mediocre for 6 1/2 years.
The offer to Schwarber if true was hardly low ball and you are the only poster who thinks that.
They will commit to having a good team if and when their system produces good players.They seem to be doing that this year and we will see the outcome.
Mendoza I stand corrected. I’m was thinking games played in a World Series compared to games the pirates made the post season in the past 25+ seasons.
So, if in fact the $100million offer was real you’re thinking this team is actually serious about winning baseball for the fans? Nutting wasn’t even sweating knowing schwarber wouldn’t accept being that reports projecting him to make what he signed to stay with the Phillies. If they are throwing that $100million around, Tucker is still out there since they whiffed on schwarber.
26, we know all that and I don’t think anyone has delusions about big timers staying here. Jeez, I remember being pissed that Bonds left among others back then. I think most Pirates fans know that. You’re preaching to the choir here
As for Tucker, yeah, it’d be a great get and would turn the franchise around in the eyes of fans and players in general. But try as I might, I just don’t believe the Pirates were ever serious about Schwarber. Not for a minute. As for Tucker, I’d love to be wrong. Maybe the guy has family here. But I’m not counting on him or as you say, any big time free agent ever signing here
I think that he is serious about having a winning team but I am not sure that it is for the fans.
Nutting is a businessman first and foremost.
But even they get tired of losing.
My point is that he raised the salary level during the middle of the last decade when they had the second best record over a three year period in all of ML baseball.
That was a very good team but they had the misfortune of being in the same division as the St Louis Cardinals who had the best record.
Who knows whether they actually made the offer to Schwarber and almost everyone knew that he was going back to the Phillies but the Phillies probably had to add an extra year to guarantee keeping him.
Do you really think that Tucker will earn whatever contract amount that he will get?Do you think that he is good enough to make a real difference on whatever team that he signs with?
Do you really think that without a salary cap baseball has a level playing field?
One World Series title in 34 years for 8 small market teams says otherwise.
Nutting could sign Babe Ruth and Rogers Hornsby in their prime and it still may not be enough to beat the Dodgers.
The TB model Dream once described here is the only hope but it’s like catching lightning in a bottle in so many regards
You have to be visionary in drafting
You have to have incredible development staff
You have to hope a number of the kids mature to make the team compete
Your GM needs to make moves that augment what you have in place
And as these kids are becoming MLB players, your draft and development people are at working to continue the process as the kids you’ve developed become stars and consequently become unaffordable.
TB’s run to the WS a few years back threw light on this blueprint when it works as prescribed
The Pirates’ demise over the past few years illustrate what happens when your kids don’t develop
There are some small market examples like what TB did and Milwaukee continues to do. But you’re right. They’re exceptions and truth is, they didn’t win it all
Many more examples like the Pirates or O’s, that show breakdowns, or KC, that had a nice one year run
But this is apparently what MLB wants; major markets ruling the sport
Some of these major market owners have to be losing money though with these ridiculous salaries.
We shall see at the end of the next season though,won’t we?
The pirates are full of prospects they want ML ready players.
A Bohm trade to Pittsburgh would actually make some sense, if DD can find a return that makes sense.
Just cause Bohm owns a bat doesn’t make him a proven bat haha. I’m hoping we don’t get him.
Bohm is who he is – a middle of the pack starting 3B. He isn’t a stud, but he is better than about half of the starters out there. The D is average and maybe a bit better and he is a solid contact hitter that never quite developed the power that we all wanted to see.
But to scoff at him is kinda’ silly, as he would certainly be quite an improvement for the Pirates at 3rd. There are very few top shelf 3B in the game today so a dose of reality might help.
I dunno. I think I’d rather Triolo than Bohm. At least Triolo is a Gold Glove.
I hope they get aggressive and find a way to get Konnor Griffin into a day one start. Him agreeing to a Jackson Chourio type 8 year deal would work wonders. It’d still give him a shot at a mega contract at age 28. Love to see great young talent. Beyond that, yeah I had been thinking old boys, maybe Ozuna or O’Hearn. Like to see them go for it.
Ryan Mountcastle can be had for cheap and he would love to get a change of scenery now that the Polar Bear has his position. Still young and has shown pop, until Walltimore zapped his left field dingers. Also a solid clubhouse vet.
Many were surprised when BAL tendered Mountcastle a contract. Now with Alonso there, I think PIT could try to get him for a low trade cost. He could split time between 1B/DH if his offense improves. If he doesn’t bounce back offensively, he’s still better than most of the fringe players that the Pirates have.
Horowitz is set at first base and is better than Mountcastle
E. Suarez would be fun gamble.
If this team can scratch out a wild card spot it could be handful in a short series. Skenes and some streaky hitters……seems like the recipe for some playoff drama. I could easily see Lowe, Cruz, or Suarez getting hot and hitting 4 HR in a series.
(..also seems like recipe for about 78 wins..but still)
the pirates are not going to build a team projected for 90 wins with their budget. . I think opening up the variance makes a lot of sense. Build a team with a 10% chance of 90 wins might make more sense than safer incremental improvements. You got skenes. Now get some short term risky boppers.
You have to start somewhere. Mixing in veterans with the young guys might help them improve significantly.
The Pirates should sign Luis Rengifo. The keystone is his best position, but he could start for them at Third Base. I think he will have a rebound season, if his wrists are fully healed. He gives them some pop, some speed and it’s only a matter of time before he hits 300. I think the Angels should seriously consider bringing him back. He will be at a discount because he had a poor year before entering free agency. I admit I’ve been enamored by Luis “Line Drive” since he was traded to the Angels by the Rays. He doesn’t show it in games, but he hits a ton of home runs during batting practice, so he has underrated power, especially from the left side.
Oneil Cruz also hits monster homers during batting practice but was horrible in live action
He had almost twice as many strikeouts as hits
Ozuna to DH
The only reason why I’d want them to trade another starter would be if they are getting Duran/Abreu in return, and it’s not likely because I’d only want to give up Keller or Barco, and that would be contingent on getting another vet starter to fill in.
So I’m ok with the pitching staff staying how it is and signing one more bat or trading for a cheap guy who won’t hurt the pitching depth. Moving someone like Bart or Yorke or other further away prospects, or taking on an underwater contract or Luis Robert.
They have a glut of catchers that will need to be dealt with before the season starts
The best arm ( Davis) is also the worst hitter
Endy is unproven and is injury prone
Bart’s offensive power was nothing like it was in 2024
Why does everyone forget about the catcher they got in the bednar trade. Hes obviously better than Davis or bart
Flores
Yea flores
At this point, I’d hope they steer clear of trading either Keller or Barco. Harrington? Ok. Ashcraft? Perhaps.
They keep saying Duran or Abreu are available but given the Oviedo trade I have to think the Red Sox asking price is too much. Too bad
And I’m not sure Robert pushes the needle forward much where offense is concerned
Do NOT trade Ashcraft. Absolutely not. His stuff is among the best in MLB. 98 mph fastball, 92 mph slider, filthy 89 mph change, and a plus-curve ball. Also has an attitude. Four pitch starter who will dominate if he remains healthy.
Thanks. Agreed
I triple that emotion.
I like Ozuna as a power bat for this team, but also as a veteran mentor, established for Cruz
Things are looking up for pirates fans, cheers
Either Cherington has to give appropriate prospects or he has to pay $. Otherwise hoping to add a proven bat ? Hope is not a strategy
Another armchair commentator that doesn’t understand that he doesn’t know whether Cherington has offered money to free agents and who have rejected offers from him
I get sick of know nothing people about this organization
But I get it, don’t you? The problem is the Pirates don’t have a lot of trade capital. Who goes now? Keller? Reynolds? You’re gonna turn “strengths” into new weaknesses. What else do they have to trade? They still have a lot of young pitching. But beyond that, what?
Washed-Nutting needs to spend more money on at least two free agents to try to buy wins like the big market teams do.
That is the proof of the pudding to see how much he wants to win now.
They still need hitters.
Agreed 100%
But that’s not the point here. There’s only so much trade capital. Unless the idea is to trade Reynolds or Cruz, what else do you have other than one of the pitchers? You’re agreeing with me here
I don’t believe they can afford to trade either of the aforementioned position players. Why? They wouldn’t bring back the type of hitter they need and again, you’re just making a new hole in the lineup. So now you just focus on pitchers. Who? Hard to see them trading Keller now. Doubt any of the young guys bring an established bat.
So yes, they likely have to spend
TheMan, seems to me that you have a great understanding of the pirates origination. Please educate us all.
We are used to outsiders telling us about the Pirates.
There is one Yankee fan who consistently wants them to trade Skenes now to them.He is persistent.
I always find it entertaining reading the insights given by such commentators.It is cheap entertainment.
The fact is that no one on this site is an expert on all the teams and their personnel.It is tough enough to follow one or two.
The best posters do not come across as know it alls with stark opinions.They tend to ask questions and are open minded.They respect other opinions.
And then there are the others.
BrASSman sounds like a troll
I couldn’t tell.
You and Paul and I are still ever vigilant.
Some have come back.
Pirates fans have a right to their own opinions.
It always amazes me though that others think that they are experts on every team.
You are right there buddy. Especially the Yankee and Dodgers cult
I’d hope the Pirates will just slide Reynolds to DH.
Bader would have been a good fit for them and it seems they have a potential Bader-clone in Magnum.
1B doesn’t seem all that important…Horwitz isn’t flashy, but he solid enough.
I’d love to see Konnor Griffin at SS, but with only 21 games at AA, he’s a longshot for opening day. Triolo and Gonzales shouldn’t be too embarrassing until mid-season.
3B is a blackhole. If the Pirates were serious about upping spending by up to $40M, they’ve got almost $21M left. The might get them Suarez, but he’s right-handed and pushing 35. Okamoto or Moncada seem like better and much cheaper fits.
I’d rather the pirates sign Suarez to play 3rd. Critics say he’s 34,low batting average ,.228. But he hit 49 homeruns. Reports his defense has fell off. But here’s the point. With him lowe and password in the lineup. That make Cruz and Reynolds hitting better than last year. They had no protection in the lineup. When you pencil in Bart or Gonzalez at the 4th spot. You know you’re in trouble.
Nick Castellanos
Any Pittsburgh fan is delusional thinking Skenes is staying long-term. He will never win a WS in Pittsburgh!!! Trade him now and watch him win elsewhere
Not as delusional as the ENTITLED Yankee cult
Your name says it all.
Haha. So what? Really. So what? Your idea is essentially to just allow major market teams to act as parasites. Talk to the Brewers about how that works.
He may only be here 3-4 more years but I’m gonna enjoy watching Skenes pitch as a Pirate and not as a Met or Yankee
any Yankees fan is delusional if they think Skenes will be traded before his arbitration starts
Lay off the sauce
Thats what happens when you consume RAGU too much. Bad sauce always complicates the brain waves. It’s evident with the Yankee poster who is infatuated with skenes beingg in a Yankee uniform. It’s great to have a vivid imagination, but its deadly to drink poisoned sauce. But then all Yankee and dodger fans are entitled
Got a question for man3, mendoza and washed. Whatever happened to richard,the troll who kept saying the pirates always lose money?
I did not think that Richard was a troll.He genuinely believed what he was saying.He was just negative.I do not know whether he was a Pirate fan or not.
Some guys change their names routinely.He may be in here just with another name.
The problem that I had with Richard was that he was dogmatic and said the same thing over and over and over and over again.He made his point the first time.
He would not respond to facts otherwise which told me that he had a closed mind.
He may have been a very young poster.
I occasionally look at the posts for other teams and have not seen him.
Maybe he had had just enough of us!
You are probably right about him. I just got so tired of his same rhetorical posts
Don’t know what you’re alluding to because admittedly, I’m using my mute button more than ever on trolls, analytics geniuses and those who only want kinder, gentler, more positive people, but no Richard was no troll. Delusional, wrong and a guy whose sources were in error? Sure. Troll? Naw
Castellanos is owed too much money for his lack of offensive skills
Phils eating half beats full upon DFA. Pirates get a headline for about the cost of a WAR and still have some flow to get another midtier piece in free agency. Not saying it will happen, but it makes sense. BLowe and Castellanos walk after this year and they have another $20-25M to try to replace their 3-4 WAR. Both players hitting free agency could see them at their best, though it’s no guarantee.
Phillies would have to eat a minimum of $15M.
Others have mentioned Bohm for third base and they have been shopping him for a couple of years.
I would take both of them for a couple of good lower level prospects and pay Bohm his $10M salary with $5M for Castellanos.
They are both on the last year of their contracts.
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I wonder if Santander be too rich for them if TO signs another bat. Not that he is coming off a great year, but he wouldn’t cost anything prospect wise. Salary is manageable, he’s not really a fit in Toronto, but I’m not sure how he’d be valued across the industry
The Bucs made the postseason with Pedro Alvarez at third. Vientos can’t be that bad defensively.
Kazuma Okamoto or Eugenio Suarez should be their primary focus right now. Ryan O’Hearn should also be on the table, but as a third option.
Agreed. Hoping for (but not expecting) Okamoto.
How about a Santander trade with the Blue Jays?
Work some form of Keller-W. Abreu deal with Boston.
Plenty of low cost bats still out there.
Miguel Andujar at DH
Already have Flores to platoon with Horwitz
Urias to platoon at 2B with Lowe
Move Gonzalez (former 1st Round pick) to 3B when Griffin arrives in May (although you can convince me of better options)
Consider Hayes for LF to give Password a little more time
Mangum platoon with Cruz who can’t hit lefties
Reynolds is fine in RF
Caratini to help Bart because Davis can’t hit
Andujar, Urias, Hayes, Caratini are cheap and can provide enough offense for this pitching staff.
The key for the Pirates, though, is still Konnor Griffin. I agree with giving him a 100 AB’s at AAA but the sooner he’s up, the sooner the Pirates are a threat.
Hayes? You want to bring him back? No thanks
Old-He means the outfielder who played for the Orioles and Phillies.
You think it’s possible he’s talking about Austin Hays?
Sorry. Got all hot under the collar about Mister Aloof coming back here
No problem OT. I nodded off in my recliner watching Ole Miss embarrass Tulane. Just woke up to much of the same in the Oregon – JMU game. At least JMU has some fight in them.
Talking about Mr Aloof part deaux,Cruz may be pushed this year as you have implied.
Good teams have competition within the team.
It does not take a nuclear scientist to know that Cruz cannot hit lefthanders.
We all know that he is not a good fielder anywhere.
He is also not the main man on this team anymore,Skenes is.
Unlike Reynolds,he will speak up.
Kelly will not put up with his lolly gagging.
And he had a bad year last year.
I think that if he does not show improvement and hustle they will be forced to admit that he has been a mistake.
I meant Austin Hayes – sorry about any confusion.
I thought it was pretty well understood I was referring to inexpensive FA’s.
It was.Some of us Pirates fans though automatically get the hives when we hear the name Hayes.
We have a long history with Ke’Bryan.
I’m an Angels fan, but the Pirates fascinate me.
If the Pirates don’t eff things up, they could be one of the more intriguing teams in all of baseball if Konnor Griffin emerges as the star he appears to be.
The Pirates are at a point where they need to spend some money on free agents because they no longer have the pitching depth to trade any.
They owe it to their fans and the players themselves.
They are not able to keep the superstars that are necessary to reach and go far in the playoffs and ultimately to win the pennant and the World Series.
This will not change unless there is a salary cap instituted.
It’s that conundrum at work though, my friend
You have little draft capital that’s gonna bring back what you need. At the same time, you have twin problems with free agents. Can’t outspend the big dogs and have great difficulty in getting rid of the stigma of this franchise.
Can’t imagine what trade package would need to be hatched to get an impact player, especially if Boston nixed the idea of Keller.
So yeah, their only avenue is to dig deeper in their pockets
For both of you: I still see a lot of reasons for hope.
You STILL have an embarrassment of riches in pitching – Barco, Antwone, and Jared Jones on the mend, all backing up a solid starting five. As an Angels fan, I would kill for that.
But, yes, help is still needed on the offensive side.
Konnor and Esmerlyn might solve two holes all by themselves. I would definitely give in to the temptation of rushing these two.
From there, there is probably only one “dude” worth pursuing and that would be pushing all your chips to the middle and signing Bregman. But we know that is not going to happen.
Realizing that, as I stated in my post above, there are still some reasonably priced bats that you can fill in and mix ‘n match into platoon roles. They exist. A creative front office/manager could put together an above average league offense. Still.
There IS hope and I’m rooting for you guys. In Konnor and Esmerlyn we trust 🙂
Thank you Johnny.
I think that signing O’hearn at DH and a trade for Castellanos and Bohn would help the pathetic Pirates offense a fair amount.They could offer Gonzalez if the Phillies eat $15M of the contract of Castellanos.
Bergman will be a sunk cost soon enough if anyone gives him nearly what he wants.
I don’t know a great deal about Valdez other than he set the Arizona Fall League on fire. I have hopes. I know less about Kelly, other than him being from Aruba. I haven’t heard him mentioned as a possibility to join the staff this year and I guess I will temper my enthusiasm for Griffin, Valdez, Kelly and Termarr by saying they’re all likely still a little ways away from being in the bigs, but we’ll see
I like Mendoza’s ideas about Bohm and Castellanos before I like the idea of signing Suarez or Okamoto. Given the comments of Phillies fans on these threads, you’d think it’s very do-able.
Too many question marks with a guy who’s never played in the majors. And too many strikeouts with the guy who has.
Someone mentioned Bergman but he’s a guy who has played on winning teams. Why would he come here, and how would the Pirates possibly outbid a couple big market teams?
As always you have a good common sense knowledgeable approach that is based in reality.
Something to be said for washed up old timers no matter what Mr AI says!
Try for Ronny Mauricio
Are the Pirates finally being serious for once?
How about MASATAKA YOSHIDA and a couple bucks for a prospect?
Sox would have to pay at least 50% of the contract.
Nah
The Pirates need a catcher upgrade. How about Barco and Endy for Rushing?
I’d love it if they added another real threat at the plate. I don’t see how they do that without going over $100M in salary, so I doubt they will. No reason they can’t, since if people had a reason to believe they’ll be competitive they’d show up more.
They’ve got four catchers (Davis, Bart, Endy, Flores) that all have some pedigree. I’m OK with hoping that one of them figures it out. Bigger priorities elsewhere.
At the plate, not behind it. They need another power bat in the lineup still.
Ben’s looking a bit grayer on top since he left the Sox! 😂
Just trade for José Ramírez.
*hot take*
Mitch Keller, Nick Gonzales, Endy Rodriguez, Mitch Jebb.
You’d have to offer Seth Hernandez, Bubba/Ashcraft, Valdez, and more for them to just pick up the phone. And they’d likely just pick it up to fart in it then hang up.
Cleveland would say no to that.
I know this might sound a bit crazy but…the Pirates should sign Munetaka Murakami. His bat would be a perfect fit in PNC Park with the short RF porch. His defense isn’t the best but you’re paying for the stick, not the glove. Also, the Pirates targeted a similar player in Kyle Schwarber with a 5yr/$100 million deal earlier in the offseason so just pay Murakami instead. Murakami is 25 years old so a 5 year deal makes sense for him
Pirates shouldnt trade any more pitching, still need to keep the rotation a strength. I fel like they need to add 2 more pieces to the offense though, not 1. Go big for either murikami or saurez at 3b. Then i would go smaller with ozuna or andujar to be dh. I would be intiqued with bringing in arraez given the high swing and miss rates they have in the lineup.
Agree 100%. They had Andujar and the young man resurrected his swing as asked. Then they shipped him away. Sheesh.
or never played
No way that Cherington will admit to that error.
He must not have been reading MLBTR then because the three of us wanted Andujar to play as did Shelton.
We have a shiny barely used Yoshida for you in Boston.
I get the feeling they sign at least one multi year contract bat. Geno makes the most sense, and I wouldn’t be surprised of they bring cutch back. If they can trade for a 3rd baseman then maybe O’Hearn. I get the feeling the Japanese players will go to bigger market teams
To me, Kazuma Okamoto has to be the target at this point. Give him 4years $64m or a little more if we have to. That gives us an average or slightly above average offense to pair with our staff. Plus shores up third, and now Nick and triolo are bench guys, which i love. Really hope we can pull something off
He’s the best Tetris piece for this lineup. RH, 3B, well rounded hitter. Concerns about his ability to hit major league fastballs may make him affordable. Suarez is less risky but I don’t see them breaking $100M payroll for Suarez.
Ryan O’hearn makes too much sense, sign him tomorrow already.
I’ve given up completely on Endy. Bat has never shown up and can’t stay healthy. IMO he doesn’t get back in the bigs unless he tears up the minors. It’s like they say in the nfl, if you have two quarterbacks, you have none. They have four catchers who when combined would be a good player, but all hugely flawed.
I find it damn near impossible for Davis to not improve his bat. His approach isn’t bad and work ethic is insane. Flores I really don’t know if he can catch but would be a backup 1B/DH bench bat. Honestly wouldn’t care about trading him if Davis steps up. Bart is an on base machine who was pitiful defensively by most metrics. I think that can be fixed a bit but not enough to be the everyday guy.
I’m still bullish on Davis figuring it out at some point. Hits the ball hard and works hard. I’m ok with Davis-Bart for 26 and Flores on the bench. Better than even money that at least one of them emerges to provide league-average offense. Endy is such a good kid that I hope it works out for him, but he’s gotta earn it again.
Yeah, Bart’s problem is that he is really bad defensively and his power was last seen on a milk carton in June of 2025.
Why does Deed and other commentators assume that Bart is going to be the starting catcher? Are they so fixated on offense that they ignore the rest of the game? If the Pirates are serious about relying on pitching, you start Davis. Yes, Davis bats 167 compared to Bart’s 249, but he lowers the pitchers ERA by a whole run. Bart’s bat doesn’t make up for that.
Davis has been dominant in every level until now. He has the raw skills, but IMO he thinks about what pitch is coming too much. Having an approach is one thing, but over analyzing it is another.
If the best pitcher in the league has you for his personal catcher, I dont think he’s subpar as others suggest.
Yeah, his bat was bad last year but the team’s record and pitching success with him behind the plate speaks for itself. Impressive that be became an elite defensive catcher after the outfield disaster they tried, so me being optimistic, I think he put a ton of effort into that and didn’t spend as much time adjusting at the plate. Now that he can field the position very well, he can get back to being the offensive player he’s capable of.
Bart had the good year in 24 when he was claimed. But last year showed that he’s way below average as a hitter and a catcher
The catchers need to be Bart and Davis.
They have too many holes at this point.
Endy needs to play the full year in AAA.
Flores needs to be the backup and playing in AAA until they find out what he can do.
Not sure how Pirate fans would feel about this, but the Braves might be moving Profar. Two years at $15M per left on his deal. He’s a switch hitter, defense isn’t good so he’d probably be best used at DH and part time LF. My thought on a deal would be Profar, Bryce Elder, and Nacho Alvarez (good defensive 3Bman, good contact, not much power, 5+ years of control) for Keller. Don’t kill me Pirate fans. Just wondering what some of your thoughts on this might be. I suspect that you’re going to tell me the Pirates probably don’t want to deal off any more of their rotation or that the Braves offer isn’t good enough.
They can’t move Keller now unless it’s an overpay. Only established starter besides Skenes. You can’t rely on the kids to deliver 200 innings.
I like the upside of the kids, especially Chandler, of course. But you’re absolutely right.
Mitch goes through his 4 or 5 start swoons, where he falls in love with dead red, but to me at least, he’s a much bigger piece of the puzzle here now. Said this above but it bears repeating, you don’t detract from one of your few strengths and add it to your list of weaknesses.
Jeff-As you anticipated,Pirates fans will probably say no more trading starters.
They may sign someone like Quintana,but they have traded their reserve.
I know nothing about Profar,Elder,or Alvarez.But what you seem to be saying is that the Profar contract is underwater, as many are,and that is one of the reasons why Nutting has been so cheap in those signings.
Hopefully the Pirates and Nutting are going the free agent route to get two more good mid level hitters.
Thanks for the reply Mendoza. Profar’s Steamer projection is 1.8 fwar for 135 games in 2026. Imo he’ll be a solid bat (will hit anywhere from 1-6 in a strong Braves lineup), but Steamer knocks him due to projected playing time being lowered by the Braves recent acquisitions (mostly Yastrzemski) taking playing time from him and not being sure how much time at DH he’ll receive (DH penalty on fwar applies on the Steamer projection.) Elder would replace Keller in your rotation. Pre arb until 2027 (800K in 2025),under control through 2030, but no options left. Good health, best suited as a back end starter/long reliever—better upside than that imo and he’s a solid innings eater. Alvarez would be the sweetener in the deal. Braves tried to develop him as a SS, but gave up on it because he’s a much better defensive 3rd baseman. Finished his season playing 3B in Atlanta when Austin Riley missed the last 2 months of 2025. Strong contact hitter in AAA, high walk, low K%, limited power but showed better power late in the season in Atlanta and in the Arizona Fall League this year. If Nutting doesn’t want to spend on another free agent hitter, Profar fits the bill for the Pirates and the combined salary of the 3 players in the proposed deal is a bit lower than Keller’s in 26 and going forward w/a significant team control advantage over the 2 ML minimum pre arbs (Elder, Alvarez.)
I think that if this trade would have been proposed at the start of the trading season the Pirates would have had to consider it.
It seems like a reasonable trade unlike 80-90% of the ones proposed on this site.
For whatever reason Nutting seems to be amenable to spending money.There can be many reasons that free agents do not want to come to Pittsburgh but in some respects it is easier just to buy players than develop them yourself or trade for them.
I believe that Keller has been shopped at least since the 2025 trade deadline and probably to Boston especially as they have good hitting young outfielders but I think that they wanted more for Duran than Keller.Cherington has a tendency to deal with teams that he has worked for in Boston and Toronto.Hence the subsequent Password trade.
The Lowe trade has generated some enthusiasm with Pirate fans but veteran fans will believe substantially increased spending when we see it.
You’re welcome young man.
@Mendoza: Solid reasoning. I agree that my trade proposal might have had a better chance before the 2 other starters were dealt. Btw, I wish I was still a young man, lol.
Jeff- We all do!
My problem is though that I was smarter then than I am now!
I think that’s a fair trade but not something i’d personally pursue. I value Keller a bit more than others in that I like banking the innings and not having to worry. He needs to be more consistent start to start and I think if they still had Burrows/Oviedo, this would be more interesting to me. I’m ready to roll into the season with this rotation.
Davis has a strong, accurate arm, and frames pitches better than Bart
The Pirates need to add a couple players who hit around .280 with lots of homers and rbi.
I mean, don’t we all??
All depends on what kind of life you’re leading.
Geno would be a good bat, and he wouldn’t require more than two or maybe three years. Good RH bat that can still pop 30 bombs.
Anybody want a slightly used Jesus Sanchez?
Low key yes
Already had him, thought his name was Bryan De La Cruz?
Cody Bellinger would be a great fit in Pittsburgh.
If they sign him I’d be okay with it, but with he’ll want probably too much. Not sure if it would be worth it.
He would be but I think that he will be asking for the sky and may get it.
I think PNC might fall into the Allegheny if that would happen. Jeez, what a nice fantasy.
Sure would but very unlikely when you have all the top teams fawning over him.
Pass on Ohearn and go for Okamoto.
Eugenio Suarez feels like a slam dunk here
Tuck
Let’s see if they can get that payroll up over 100mil sounds like a maybe
Keller for Vientos
No thank you
Cant leave the pitching staff too thin. Gotta have Mlodinski toss his 70 pitches every 6 days.
Better keep trading than Pirates. Nobody decent wants to sign in there. The free agents signing in Pittsburgh have been historically meh…
The Dodgers with all of their money are cherry picking the best players.
They are an old team but will just buy who they need to win the Workd Series the next year.
Sign Okamoto or Suarez for 3B
Sign Andujar for LF or DH
Would still like a Keller package for Abreu, Duran or Adell
Can plug Mangum in any OF spot as 4th OF
I like Andujar and think that he is a good hitter but I think that the Pirates need more power in their DH and he is no better than a fifth outfielder in the field.
If he lasts and the Pirates do not spend money he would be a decent fall back especially if they get a left handed hitting DH.
I said this above as did you, but I have to think the Pirates and Red Sox discussed Keller and perhaps others for Duran or Abreu and the bottom line was the cost was too high. I guess either team could have said so, really
Maybe they will eventually deal Mitch and will have a staff of Skenes, Chandler, Ashcraft, Barco and perhaps Jones/Harrington.
Wow. That’s awfully young and unproven
But maybe he’s all they have to trade
I think that they have shopped him at least since last year’s trade deadline and certainly this fall and winter.Remember his high salary that if traded would free up more money for free agent hitters.
I also think that they may be kicking the tires on guys like Quintana to round out the rotation and let Barco start in the bullpen and then provide depth for the starting rotation.
Keller to me is a solid three but other competitive teams may see his inconsistency like we do.
I salute the Pirates and Cherington if they keep him because he is a known entity who is expensive in Pirate terms but not overly so in the industry standard.
They should be looking at trades like they have made this off season.I still think that Cruz and Reynolds may both be considered.
Yes,the pitchers are young and unproven,but you have to dance with the one who you brought to the dance.
They do have talent though and that is why the Pirates have to augment the hitters now with free agents.
Another disastrous article by Deeds.
“Griffin’s eventual ascent to the MLB roster could, too, push Jared Triolo off the shortstop position.”
You can’t just substitute “too” for “also.” This is so incorrect.
“Perhaps, then, adding an outfielder or first baseman to the mix who could pitch in defensively in addition to taking DH reps like Ryan O’Hearn could make more sense.”
“Then” adds nothing to this sentence and should be removed. And there shouldn’t be a comma before “as well.”
There also shouldn’t be a comma before “either.” Begging MLBTR to either can this kid or hire a writer to make him readable.