Mariners lefty Cliff Lee might not be available yet, but there's a good chance GM Jack Zduriencik starts listening in coming weeks. Today's poll question:
Which team will acquire Lee by the 2010 trade deadline?
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i dont know if the yankees will give up prospects, giving up austin jackson is already looking like a mistake, and talks for lee will start at jesus. i think the yankees have the best team in the division still, give or take a few problems here and there, but they should try to do it without him
I don’t know who you are talking to, but giving up Austin Jackson has not been a mistake in our eyes, so far. Austin will be lucky to even be hitting around .280 by the end of the season with his 27% K rate (which, btw, has always been his problem, and considering how he could never figure out how to fix that in the minors, I find it hard to believe he has figured out how to fix it in the majors. The Yankees themselves showed teams how to pitch Austin Jackson during that 4 game set, where he went 2 for 12 with 6 strikeouts.), not to mention he has a .425 BABIP, which is completely unsustainable.He’s got doubles power, nothing more. He’s not that great of a stolen base threat (never was). Granderson gives us 25 HR/25 Double power with good defense (he’s been slightly above average this year).The main difference between the two is that Granderson can hit a long ball, and is the type of hitter you fear a bit more than a guy like Austin Jackson come crunch time. To be honest, his .222 avg vs. lefties is even a bit better than in the past, and his .297 BABIP is bound to go up now that he’s healthy and is back to hitting in a hitters ballpark.
Jackson got off to a hot start, but his OPS in May was .732, and so far in June (even though it’s still early in the month) his OPS is .544. I don’t think this trade will look bad for the Yankees when all is said and done, if Granderson doesn’t perform well then I think it’ll be a lose-lose trade, but we will see if I end up eating my words.
I agree completely that Cashman won’t try to trade for Lee, the farm has taken a hit this past year, and Vazquez has been pitching well as of late (knock on wood) so there really isn’t a spot for Lee this year. And honestly if the Yankees have to more than 4 years or 4 with a mutual/vesting option for him in the offseason, I say let someone else overpay, at age 36 I doubt Lee will be worth 18MM+.
Reds should be an option. They are a contender, could use another TOR pitcher to make a run this year, and have the prospects to get it done. (A blocked Yonder Alonso would be a good centerpiece for a trade)
I think the Reds should try to use Alonso to get more than just a half season rental. Plus with Volquez and Homer due to be back from the DL this year, the Reds should be able to keep up with their pitching. (Assuming they come back healthy and effective)
And by “listening”, we mean “aggressively seeking suitors”.
So I guess there are people out there still buying into the bull of the Yanks being willing to trade the farm away for Lee, eh?
I wouldnt mind seeing the Nationals come out of nowhere and get Lee. It brings Lee back to the NL and a starting rotation with Lee and Strasburg could be the sickest one two punch in baseball
That’s what was said about him pitching alongside Felix, and we have all seen how that has worked so far.
yeah but thats the teams fault falling apart around them, the nationals are only 5 games back in a so-so league where the braves and phillies are going to keep going in and out of first place. the nationals have a great hitting team, 2-3 great starters and a wealth of prospects to pull off a trade. If they would invest in the teams future long term and sign lee, washington can become a player in the future faster then they thought
I don’t know about a wealth of prospects, at least anywhere near major league ready. I have been to some Senators games and with the exception of Strasburg and Storen who are already with the team, Chris Marrero was the only guy that looked like he had any semblance of a chance of playing major league baseball. I don’t know the system, so maybe the Nats are loaded in AAA, but all I know is that in AA they have one of the most talentless teams that I have ever seen.
That aside, I agree. Nationals have been a pleasant surprise. As a Reds fan, I always like to see the cinderella team doing well. It will be interesting to see what a rejuvenated team can do now that Stras has arrived. I would love to see a playoff that includes both the Nats and Reds, that would really be something else.
Storen and Desmond are two pretty good triple-a prospects that are performing very well. With Marrero in the mix and a low a prospect, i say Washington has a great chance of getting him if they wanted
lets say the fourth player would be Destin Hood, low a player, 20 years old, performing very well right now
aren’t Storen and Desmond everyday players on the big club? I was excluding the guys already in the majors, assuming that they wouldn’t want to dismantle their active roster to bring in a rental. If I were making the call, there is no way that I would trade off Desmond for a half-year rental, and I would hesitate to send off Storen, but if he were the centerpiece I would listen.
I don’t think the Nats or anyone else who trades for Lee will be able to sign him to an extension, from what I’ve read Lee wants to test FA. But I wouldn’t mind seeing the Nats get him in the offseason if his asking price is more than 4-5 years, I’d prefer the Yankees to stay away.
Yeah, but is that really Lee’s fault, or is it the fault of their horrific offense? Washington can score runs.
I’m thinking he will be a Cardinal. St Louis is due for yet another Series appearance.
you obviously have no idea what you are talking about…cardinals have to sign pujols to an extension, they will not go out and spend money on a starter…they also gave a lot to holliday.
Who doesn’t know what he’s talking about? Thread is about TRADING for Lee. The Cards wouldn’t have to spend any money to do so. Settle down.
I should go ahead and point out anyway though that no, Lee isn’t going to be a Cardinal.
Maybe you should catch up on your reading, Cards are actively looking for a starter. Take your snark elsewhere please.
I have no idea so I was a homer and picked the Mets.
I said other team because my choice was the Padres. I predict they will remain in contention in the NL West, and like him for his past experience in the playoffs and world series. They would be in position to take on payroll too.
Seattle would require at least a good young pitcher, which the Padres have to spare.
hopefully the Twins can trade for Lee.
I guess ramos would have to be traded if they want lee.
I wouldn’t know I’m not a Twins fan, but I’ll root for them. Angels vs Twins ALDS 😀
I wouldn’t know I’m not a Twins fan, but I’ll root for them. Angels vs Twins ALDS 😀
Same. I was a homer and picked “Any other team” because the Dodgers weren’t a choice.
Same. I was a homer and picked “Any other team” because the Dodgers weren’t a choice.
And the answer is… the Reds. I’m a Cards fan, so I don’t like the idea of Lee joining the other division front runner, but it makes too much sense to ignore. The Reds have nothing remarkable at the top of their rotation, so in order to outlast the Cards this year, they will need an ace like Lee. Seattle needs some good young hitters and the Reds have Yonder Alonso blocked at 1B by someone even better in Joey Votto. I think all it takes to get Lee is Alonso and one other top prospect (Chapman?) or a few decent prospects. Also, the Reds are more likely to move quickly than the other teams being discussed. A lot of these teams would be better served to wait for Seattle to start a fire sale or for the need for an ace to become apparent. The Reds can’t afford to wait. St. Louis has a much more talented team on paper and the Reds have to move now and take advantage of being at the top of the standings.
And the answer is… the Reds. I’m a Cards fan, so I don’t like the idea of Lee joining the other division front runner, but it makes too much sense to ignore. The Reds have nothing remarkable at the top of their rotation, so in order to outlast the Cards this year, they will need an ace like Lee. Seattle needs some good young hitters and the Reds have Yonder Alonso blocked at 1B by someone even better in Joey Votto. I think all it takes to get Lee is Alonso and one other top prospect (Chapman?) or a few decent prospects. Also, the Reds are more likely to move quickly than the other teams being discussed. A lot of these teams would be better served to wait for Seattle to start a fire sale or for the need for an ace to become apparent. The Reds can’t afford to wait. St. Louis has a much more talented team on paper and the Reds have to move now and take advantage of being at the top of the standings.
another good point, they can beat everyone in terms of money as well
thats why i said if they are willing to invest in lee for a few years. to get exclusive rights to an extension is a huge advantage since they stand no chance when he is a free agent.
They don’t necessarily have to trade with the M’s, I’m just saying if the Reds are going to trade 6 years of Alonso (along with some lesser prospects) they should look for more than just a rental. I don’t know the Reds needs that well so maybe Lee is someone they should target, but I remember Tim saying that they have Volquez and Bailey coming back this year so obtaining Lee might create a problem.
They don’t necessarily have to trade with the M’s, I’m just saying if the Reds are going to trade 6 years of Alonso (along with some lesser prospects) they should look for more than just a rental. I don’t know the Reds needs that well so maybe Lee is someone they should target, but I remember Tim saying that they have Volquez and Bailey coming back this year so obtaining Lee might create a problem.
I actually hadn’t thought about that, but yes, he shouldn’t pitch more than a set number of innings, so maybe Lee is someone the Reds should get to help make that playoff push.
I actually hadn’t thought about that, but yes, he shouldn’t pitch more than a set number of innings, so maybe Lee is someone the Reds should get to help make that playoff push.
I’m well aware of Granderson’s K totals. My point is, though, is that A Jax is just as bad (hell, is he still on pace to set the record for K’s in a season?), and doesn’t have the power to make up for it. With A Jax’s minor league strikeout percentage of about 23%, one just cannot be optimistic about his ability to sustain a high average, since the level of pitching at this level is about 1000x better than that of the minor league level. You’ll notice that my main sticking point was that the only big difference between the two was Granderson’s ability to hit the long ball..222 vs. LHP, for Granderson, if he were to finish the season around that area, with how well he hits righties, would be great and an improvement over .181 from last year. I’ll take Granderson 10 times out of 10 between the two.
I’m well aware of Granderson’s K totals. My point is, though, is that A Jax is just as bad (hell, is he still on pace to set the record for K’s in a season?), and doesn’t have the power to make up for it. With A Jax’s minor league strikeout percentage of about 23%, one just cannot be optimistic about his ability to sustain a high average, since the level of pitching at this level is about 1000x better than that of the minor league level. You’ll notice that my main sticking point was that the only big difference between the two was Granderson’s ability to hit the long ball..222 vs. LHP, for Granderson, if he were to finish the season around that area, with how well he hits righties, would be great and an improvement over .181 from last year. I’ll take Granderson 10 times out of 10 between the two.
Like he said, the Cards are actively looking for a starter.
Like he said, the Cards are actively looking for a starter.
I hadn’t considered Chapman’s contract. If Jack Z thought the contract was a good deal for the Mariners, he almost certainly would have been involved in the bidding to the very end. The Mariners can and should get more than just Alonso. Maybe a couple of prospects who have a league-average ceiling. Or maybe the Reds send a decent prospect to Atlanta and the Braves send the Mariners Chris Resop.