MONDAY, 9:12am: The Mets' internal discussions about trading Reyes were just "normal due diligence," reports Andy Martino of the New York Daily News, and he's more likely to stay with the team for 2011.
WEDNESDAY, 4:37pm: Jose Reyes is available, but the Mets want three or four players in exchange for their shortstop, according to Henry Schulman of the San Francisco Chronicle (on Twitter). Reyes, 27, earns $11MM in 2011 before becoming a free agent. He hit .282/.321/.428 with 30 steals and 50 extra base hits in 603 plate appearances last year.
There's no indication that Mets GM Sandy Alderson is actively shopping Reyes, but there would be a market for him. Earlier today, Schulman reported that the Giants are focusing on finding a shortstop. Along with the Cardinals and Padres, they have interest in free agent Miguel Tejada. Tejada, Juan Uribe, Cesar Izturis Jason Bartlett, J.J. Hardy, Marco Scutaro and others are potentially available, but in general the shortstops available via trade or free agency aren't overly appealing.
Thats two much, especially since he’ll go to Free Agency and get paid big time.
That’s the point. They really don’t have any interest in moving him.
Personally I would dump Wright before Reyes.
Wright is still afraid of inside pitches after being beaned last year, and he’s completely worthless from the 7th inning on.
I know what you mean, but Reyes overall play has gone down while Wright has had a slight decline only because of Citifield.
Huh? I don’t get that. Reyes gets injured and his overall play has gone down, but Wright amongst the leaders in K’s, with average defense gets a slight decline because of Citi?
Reyes’ speed clearly declined, which was his strong point. Sure Wright lost points on the BA, but his home run numbers jumped back up.
He came off an injury, and still gave us 11 HR’s, 29 doubles, and 10 triples through 133 games. If healthy all season, he’d have his norm year. Wright SUCKED in clutch situations, so while the HR’s were brought up, so were the K’s.
I really do see where you’re coming for but Wright is looked upon as more valuable. Sandy himself say that Bay (contract) Ike and Wright are currently untradeable.
Although in the case of Bay, he’s untradeable because of his contract.
Never mind – I just noticed you put the word “contract” in parenthesis. My bad.
haha, all good.
Average defense? His defense is terrible. I believe it’s the worst among qualified third basemen.
Also had the 2nd worst K% of all 3B, and when you’re 2nd only to Mark Reynolds, that’s very bad…
says who
His throwing was much better this season thanks to ike and aside from a few bumps late the season i think this could have been one of his better seasons.
Says every advanced fielding statistic like UZR.
If we’re talking about trading for David Wright, then how about the White Sox send John Danks, Carlos Quentin, Brent Morel, Mark Teahen, and cash considerations for David Wright and Fernando Martinez? John Danks can fill a spot in the Mets’ rotation, Carlos Quentin could play right field, allowing them to more comfortably trade Carlos Beltran, Brent Morel could play 3rd base for the Mets, Mark Teahen could play 2nd base until Flores, Ravens, and Tejada are ready, and the cash the White Sox send could help pay off John Danks’ and Carlos Quentin’s arbitration raise, as well as Mark Teahen’s hefty contract. This helps both teams out and fills out many holes. The White Sox would no longer have a hole at 3rd base, we could plug F-Mart into right field, and it would free up some money to sign Adam Dunn or another 1st baseman. Wow. I know that sounded like nonsense, but what do you guys think? Who would win the trade?
Wow. Do you do drugs on a regular basis? Quentin and Teahen are both useless. So you’re proposing Danks (a decent SP)and Morel for Wright and one of the Mets’ best prospects, albeit one whose luster has faded. If I’m Sandy Alderson, I find it very eassy to say no to this. The Mets fanbase would go apes**t if this trade was made. And that’s coming from a Yankees fan. You can’t trade David Wright for a couple of stop-gaps who are due bigger paydays and one pretty good starter.
No! Do NOT trade him! His value is extremely low. Selling now would be foolish. Plus, he is the key to the Met’s offense.
his value might be low, but it won’t get much higher. He is a free agent after this season. I suppose you could wait till trade deadline, but that probably won’t increase the return either because then a team would only have him for half a season so they won’t give as much for him. Besides, mets aren’t really competing next season anyways…
Agreed — I think trading Jose Reyes would be something to think about. He’s an offensive catalyst, but he’s been out with injuries. His trade value is worth investigating, especially if the Mets can get a couple top-notch prospects (starting pitching!) in return.
The Mets aren’t some small market team who can’t keep their own players……they don’t have to move Reyes. And quite frankly, they should keep Reyes. I don’t blame Sandy for doing his due diligence, but at the end of the day, Reyes has more value to the Mets then he would in a trade, so he won’t be dealt (Unless some team goes crazy, that is).
its not crazy to trade reyes and then re-sign him as a free agent. their not going anywhere in 2011 but maybe going forward Reyes can still be a met.
Sounds decent on paper, but you’re also risking burning a bridge with one of your homegrown franchise players……very risky.
this is a good plan in theory, personally I would do this. However you would risk further alienating a crazed fanbase
this is a good plan in theory, personally I would do this. However you would risk further alienating a crazed fanbase
3 or 4 players for one year of a highly-paid but no-longer-elite-performing SS with a history of injuries? Unless those players are low-to-mid-level prospects, no thanks.
That’s what it would be. 1 very good/good prospect + 2-3 decent to low level prospects.
No one will give up 3-4 good prospects.
Exactly. The Mets are looking for quantity instead of quality.
Quantity, yes. But at least one of those prospects would have to be quality. One very good, one good an two low-level sounds like what the Mets would require. Bob doesn’t understand that because he’s a Red Sox fan. The Mets aren’t going to trade Jose Reyes for four guys in A ball, unless one of them is Julio Teheran or the Trout kid from the Angels
Reyes isn’t worth the excess baggage and troubles he brings….Alderson think again.
Excess baggage and troubles? Care to be more specific? Aside from allegedly showing the opponents up on the field, I don’t see what you’re talking about.
Can that even be classified as “excess baggage?” He’s passionate about the game. When did that become such a bad thing? But yeah, no idea on what “excess baggage and troubles” the guy above is talking about…
– ECB
excess baggage? I assume you mean he over packs for road games?
excess baggage? I assume you mean he over packs for road games?
I’d like to see the Red Sox kick the tires on a deal for Reyes.
That would be interesting. A gap for one year till there rookie SS comes…hmm
Or they can use Iglesias as part of the package…and extend reyes
No thank you.. Too pricey.. way too much talent to give up.
Same here. If he’s healthy you extend him. Also, sign Crawford to play Left/Center. The speed of Reyes, Crawford and Ellsbury in the same lineup? Easily 200 steals per year combined. Give the opposing teams FITS! Not to mention the other speed they’ve got with Pedroia, Youkilis, Reddick, etc all able to swipe bags. That would be epic. Lots of speed, power and Plus defense.
Yeah, I’ve heard Youkilis is quite the speedster.
Sounds nice, in an espn fantasy league. Are you ready to bat Youk Cleanup and Pedroia 5th?? Lots of “epic” power??? Are you out of your mind? Think about what that lineup would look like– you got four 1-2 batters there and your Cleanup guy is about to leave town… and your 3-hole just DID leave town!
I would do it in a second, on my FANTASY team. But over there in the REAL world, that’s not how guys like Theo or Tito put together a REAL team… with a REAL $120mm roster.
let’s take the idea and think it through for kicks…who says your speedsters have to bat at the top of the order? or even that sluggers have to bat 4th and 5th? i’d pay good money to see a lineup of 9 ichiros.now not all these guys are ichiro but i think the idea could work. i love the idea of the “second leadoff” hitter in the a.l. where you can bat a speedster 9th and get all the benefits of having him on base to distract pitchers while run producers come to the plate. ellsbury is not yet proven as a bona fide leadoff man who can get on base 40% of the time, but as a 9 hitter he is a huge weapon. i suppose you can say the same about reyes but i give reyes the leadoff slot over the others because he has the best chance to be standing on third base with fewer than two outs in the opening inning. then i’d go crawford 2nd and pedroia 3rd followed by youkilis. reminds me of 85 cardinals in world series, with vince coleman/ozzie smith leading off and the other batting ninth; willie mcgee 2nd and tommy herr 3rd, protected by jack clark to put the fear of god into opposing pitchers if any of those speedsters were on base. a really exciting brand of baseball, with drama on practically every pitch of every inning.and reyes is a bit fragile to say the least, so no harm sliding ellsbury back to leadoff if/when reyes blows out a hamstring.
let’s take the idea and think it through for kicks…who says your speedsters have to bat at the top of the order? or even that sluggers have to bat 4th and 5th? i’d pay good money to see a lineup of 9 ichiros.now not all these guys are ichiro but i think the idea could work. i love the idea of the “second leadoff” hitter in the a.l. where you can bat a speedster 9th and get all the benefits of having him on base to distract pitchers while run producers come to the plate. ellsbury is not yet proven as a bona fide leadoff man who can get on base 40% of the time, but as a 9 hitter he is a huge weapon. i suppose you can say the same about reyes but i give reyes the leadoff slot over the others because he has the best chance to be standing on third base with fewer than two outs in the opening inning. then i’d go crawford 2nd and pedroia 3rd followed by youkilis. reminds me of 85 cardinals in world series, with vince coleman/ozzie smith leading off and the other batting ninth; willie mcgee 2nd and tommy herr 3rd, protected by jack clark to put the fear of god into opposing pitchers if any of those speedsters were on base. a really exciting brand of baseball, with drama on practically every pitch of every inning.and reyes is a bit fragile to say the least, so no harm sliding ellsbury back to leadoff if/when reyes blows out a hamstring.
The Red Sox and a $120 million roster? Try $170 million and you’re at least in the ballpark.
Oh, and don’t forget, you can’t spell PEDroia without P-E-D. The power will be there (wink, wink)
As for acquiring Reyes, figure Ellsbury woul have to be part of the deal. Maybe Bard, too. Reyes is a game-changer. There would be a steep cost to acquire him.
Off to Pittsburgh…
Rigghhht… They’re the only ones to fork up that kinda talent/dumb enough to fork up that kinda talent.
If the Pirates got him, they’d have the coolest collection of dreadlocks in the league.
I love this comment 🙂 it just made my day
their is no way i give up a true elite prospect(i consider elite top-30 prospects in MLB) for Reyes for 1 year.
I wouldn’t even do a top 100!!
top 100, i most certainly would do. He can bring back 1, more likely 2 draft picks after he leaves anyways. Mets fans, would this get it done for ya’ll. Jason Motte, Dan Descalso, Jon Jay, and a minor league lottery ticket with good upside like Matt Adams.
Ok maybe one, only and I mean only because of the Type A FA status. I think the Mets just need to blow the team up and do a complete salary dump, him, Bay, Beltran, and Johan, and start a new team around Ike Davis and David Wright. Did I mention I’m a die hard Red Sox fan.
You realize it says just “three or four players”… it doesn’t say they all have to be top 100 prospects which they won’t get.
I think they can get a 50-100 type prospect + 2 mid-to-low level prospects… depending on the year he is having.
nope the Mets want an astronomical return and they dont want just prospects.
Yeah… not happening.
exactly my point
Stick to fixing your team. You don’t have a clue as to what the Mets needs are.
I really dont see the Cardinals giving Motte and Jay away. They dont have a lot of good arms in the pin, and they need Jays left hand bat in the lineup
motte is expendable. our right handed relief corp can be McClellan,Boggs,Salas,Franklin with Sanchez, Reifer, and Mulligan waiting in the minors and can all make appeareances this coming season. The left handed group is a bit thin, but Miller is solid, McClellan actually has better numbers verse lefties, and will probably have to get a free agent like Choate.
I love Choate but not as a pitcher. Great guy, but, speaking as a Yankees fan, I say tread lightly.
An everyday 4 win or so shortstop is worth more than a setup man and a 4th OF.
absolutely not.
How about Salas, Jay, and Ryan.. I think that would be a perfect trade.
Or Motte, Green, and Hill..
Hmm Wishful thinking! If he made $5 MM a year MAYbeee… He is also a FA to be. Do the Mets want a guaranteed +5 wins as well? Hell, do you want Albert Pujols too?!?!?!
PS- Every player is available for the RIGHT package.
AKA- Pujols for the entire Pawtucket Red Sox. Not just the team, ownership of it as well. LMAO!
New Mets same as the old Mets!!
Potential doesnt count for much once the guy has 8 seasons under his belt. The time to move him was after 07 or 08, now he has very little trade value. Omar could have stocked the farm with him but Omar wasnt that bright.
So the time to move him was when they were serious contenders? That makes a ton of sense. Most teams that have a good shot at winning their division trade away stars to stock the minors . . . don’t they? Reyes’s value might have been at its peak at that point, but he also still had value to the team. The Mets won’t compete for the next two seasons minimum, so even if his value is low on the market, he’s worth less to the team. That being said, they don’t have to move him. If Alderson sets a high price and no one meets it, so be it.
The Mets werent serious contenders after 08. They had basically no pitching at all and if memory serves me right they finished 4th and under .500. Its wasnt even a year that fell well below predictions. They looked bad going in and ended up being a bad team. There was a lot of media calling for the trade of Reyes or Wright and Omar insisted he could build a team around them and his idea of building a team was getting Oliver Perez and Gary Sheffield. Had Reyes been moved at that point, the Mets might be a contender now.
“his idea of of building a team was getting Oliver Perez and Gary Sheffield”
don’t forget Luis Castillo!
“if memory serves me right they finished 4th and under .500. Its wasnt even a year that fell well below predictions. They looked bad going in and ended up being a bad team.”
if you’re talking about ’09 then it absolutely was a year that fell below expectations, many columnists predicted the mets to either win the division or wild card. what happened was that there were about 400 injuries to the team and no team has the depth to cover that. so going in to the ’09 season the mets absolutely did have a shot at the playoffs.
you might want to get your facts straight before bashing omar for not trading reyes, it’s not like he’s even a must trade candidate or even a bad contract now.
as for omar, you’re right. we’re glad he’s gone and will wait patiently for Alderson to turn the franchise around.
It was an injury year but it wasnt a year where everybody thought they were going to win it all. After Santana there was basically no rotation at all. Livan Hernandez and Time Redding started like 20 games each. Nobody was predicting the 2009 Mets to be really competitive.
Not everyone . . . but some fringe publications, like Sports Illustrated did think they could win it all. In fact, SI picked the Mets to win it all. In fact, SI had a poll of 13 “experts” and 9 of them picked the Mets to win the East. They certainly weren’t in rebuilding mode. It’s easy to forget what the expectations were. Don’t forget that Perez, Pelfrey and Maine had ~ 35 wins in 08. The rotation was supposed to be Santana, Pelfrey (who had a mid 3’s ERA in 08), Perez on his brand new contract, Maine who still showed promise, and then a fifth starter between Redding, Livan and Freddy Garcia (who they invited to Spring Training). The front four of the rotation were considered a strength going into the season. They really were expected to go far.
I don’t mean to harp on this, but you really couldn’t be more wrong. It’s not like it was one or two random guys that said the Mets could win in 09. It was most reporters, analysts, and publications.
Uh, that’s wrong. Did you expect the team to go 72-90 in 2009? or lose half their ball club to injury?
Even though it might equate to the most arrogant middle infield in baseball, I could see the Reds and Mets matching up on a Reyes deal. If they center a package around Yonder Alonso and include a couple of young arms, they might be able to get something done. Granted, not sure where that leaves Ike Davis.
The Reds just strike me as a good fit for him for some reason. I suppose the Giants, Cardinals, and the Padres could get involved, but out of those three, only the Giants really seems to make sense, and do they have the minor league talent to make a deal, assuming that Brandon Belt and Zach Wheeler are untouchable?
I like the reds idea. But i cant see reys in a giants uniform… Just throwing this out there but How about a 3 way trade the cubs get Ike Davis, The Reds get Reyes, and the Mets get Yonder Alonso and prospects from both teams. any thoughts???
The Cubs aren’t giving anything up… Lol. You have the Mets giving up Ike Davis and Jose Reyes and the Reds giving up Yonder Alonso. Alderson wouldn’t be off to a great start if he did this. Lol
True true lol then what would you see the cubs giving up??? I only mentioned them bc they need a 1b man and if the Mets got Alonso then davis would be avaible. The cubs do have alot of young Bullpen type guys that could be avalible unless the mets want Fukudome.
I don’t see the Cubs as a fit just because the Mets don’t have to move Ike Davis. That’s why I was kind of iffy about suggesting Yonder Alonso, because someone (either he or Ike) would have to move positions. I think Davis is athletic enough to play the outfield, but even then… is that what the Mets would really want? I’m sure they could ask for a talented middle infielder or starter too, but I thought that they’d ask for Alonso if the Reds showed interest in Reyes. Can’t see the Cubs getting involved though.
You got me there. I was just trying to fill the cubs problems in on your trade idea. But i do like your Reds Mets trade.
The mets don’t have to move him and Alderson said that he is not moving him (or Wright or Bay)
no one wants Fukudome at his price tag.
Thats why i was saying If some one wanted him.
Only way anything could happen is if the Cubs got Reyes and Perez for like Zambrano, Wells, and Vitters
I do for Oliver Perez!!!!
Alonso for Reyes and Davis might be about right, except for the fact that the Reds would have no need for Ike Davis. But that value is probably pretty close to even.
Nah, I wasn’t suggesting that. Lol. My thought was Jose Reyes for Yonder Alonso and a couple pitching prospects.
I’m sure the Mets would rather the Reds kept Alonso and received better pitching in return, the Reds do have a plethora of pitching.
Wait, you’re a Phillie fan and you think Reyes is worth that much? I like your style…
Reyes to Reds for Frazier,and Wood.
Reyes to Reds for Frazier,and Wood.
With the exception of 2009, Reyes has posted at least 600 PA’s since 2005. My point? While it might seem like he’s always injured, he does get his PA’s in–and they are quality PA’s at that.
Let’s examine a trade of Jose Reyes for San Francisco lefthander Jonathan Sanchez.
The trade would be two arbitration years of the 28-year-old Sanchez, who was valued at 2.6 WAR last season, working off his 2010 salary of $2.1 million, for one $11 million year of Jose Reyes, who turns 28 next June after posting a WAR of 2.8 in 2010.
Given the years of control and the salaries, the Mets probably get the better end of that deal. Regardless, I don’t see the trade happening.
The Mets do get the better end. An extra year of team control, cheaper too. Maybe going into 2012 if Sanchez has another strong year he’ll make about 9-10 mil. Sabean would never do that for just one year of control on one player.
the mets are not interested in anyone who resembles oliver perez in the slightest.
How about, not having the leagues second Ollie.
I’d love to see the Reds get Reyes. I wonder what it would take?
a boatload
No way a boatload.
realistic or not, thats what the Mets want.
LOL VOTTO AND BRUCE
Reyes to Reds for Wood and Frazier.
Jose Reyes to the Mets for Marco Scutaro (or propsects sox get in return for Scutaro), Yamaico Navarro, Josh Reddick and Michael Bowden
or
Jose Reyes for Dice-K, Michael Bowden, Aaron Bates
im so lost on why people think dice-k has value.. he makes 8million a year to be a #4/5 starter, teams are better off giving a minor leaguer a shot at league minimum price
b/c he’s a fly-ball pitcher going from tiny Fenway in the Al East to a bigger park against easier lineups in the NL.
his career ERA away from home is still just under 4(thats including his good/flukish 2008). the salary still doesn’t change. He is a overpriced #4/5 starter with injury problems no matter what league he plays in with little-to-no trade value.
That should raise his trade value to becoming a chip in a potential Reyes deal–it’s only incentive for a team taking a risk to take him.
That weed must be good in Boston, huh?
Keep your dreck and we’ll keep Reyes.
The Mets arent trading Reyes unless they get one of Posey, Sanchez, Bumgarner, Cain or Lincecum and obviously the Giants arent going to do that which is why nothing will come of this.
Sanchez isn’t impossible if the mets also added some other useful piece. i could see a deal around Zach Wheeler
then its not happening. trading a fan favorite for a prospect 99% of the fan base has never heard of doesnt work in NY.
if thats the case, then he can stay put where he is. I don’t even know why the mets want to keep him around, move his salary, get some good pieces back, and get ready to compete later. not like their going anywhere next season.
Sandy doesn’t care.
Lincecum????? Posey????? Bumgarner?????
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Every player you listed has more value than one year of Reyes at 11 mill!!
exactly which is why Reyes aint going anywhere unless a team is willing to be ripped off…
the only way reyes goes anywhere is if the mets are the ones willing to get ripped off.
hmmm oleosmirf’s post was 2 lines long and ended with “Giants arent going to do that which is why nothing will come of this”… are you so lazy that you cannot read 2 lines?
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Woah, woah. I don’t think Sandy plans on taking the organizations center piece hitter, two team aces, an upcoming star starter or Freddy. If the Mets would trade Reyes to SF, it would NOT be for any of them.
Haha, that makes me LMAO.
There is no freakin way that Reyes’s value is worth of any of those you mentioned.Maybe JS but cain ,lincecum,posey.They would have have to be high on weed if they made a deal like that.
You know, Lincecum probably is high on weed right now.
Stupidest post EVER! Take a bow!
Stupidest post EVER! Take a bow!
Derek Jeter just got a little nervous (okay, no he didn’t.)
Wow – the entire comment got cut out, somehow. Lame.
No way I’m writing it again right now.
Considering where they are, the Mets almost need to shop him just to see what they can get. This is maybe the weakest SS Free Agent class in a looooong time. So, Reyes’ value is gonna be very inflated.
“This is maybe the weakest SS Free Agent class in a looooong time.”So why should they shop him then? Trade him to have a hole at SS? No thanks.
Ruben Tejada at short, you saw what he can do on the field. But lets not discuss the bat…
Not only is it a weak SS Free Agent class, it’s also a weak SS trading class too. Very few teams are satisfied with their SS-I’d say the Rockies, Jays, Cubs, White Sox, Rays, and Marlins are completely satisfied with their current starters or their minor league starting options. You could add the D’Backs as being satisfied, but concerned with the cost of Drew, and the Mets also as satisfied, but even more concerned about the cost of Reyes going forward.
My point is if you put Reyes on the market, you could potentially have 20+ clubs checking in. One of them is going to make you an offer you can’t refuse.
Ferrariman—Didn’t the Cards just lock Westbrook up for 8.5 mil to be a 4th or 5th starter?
Ferrariman—Didn’t the Cards just lock Westbrook up for 8.5 mil to be a 4th or 5th starter?
Yep.
yup. sure did, but he isn’t a huge injury liability(i can’t stress how important that is for a pitcher) and had an era under 3.50 with us. They had no real alternative because they dont’ have any good pitching prospects close to the majors.
He’s not? Why not? He’s 33 and hadn’t pitched a full season in the big leagues since 2006 before his walk year. 33 year old pitchers are always an injury risk and that’s doubly true of pitchers who’ve thrown fewer than 250 innings in the last 3 years.
he just pitched over 200inings this season.
Nobody should trade for him until his deal is restructured
I know the A’s need power but I wonder if Billy will give Sandy a ring. He can hand over Pennington and has a stable of nice, not great prospects jingling in his pocket.
not knocking it but 7-9 mil seems to be the norm for 4th/5th starters anymore. Penny, Westbrook both guys who have had injuries problems before so….idk if Dice is really underperforming
penny was for 1 year. Dice-k is for 2 years at over 20mil. Westbrook isn’t really an injury liability to near the extent of Dice-k(who has pitched a combined 36 games the past 2 seasons at a 5.76 & 4.69 ERA)
Look, I’m not in any way, shape, or form a fan of Dice-K and I actually like Westbrook and would prefer him to Dice-K. I just don’t see how you can say that Westbrook isn’t much of an injury concern considering he missed the entire 2009 season and started a combined 30 games for 186.2 innings over ’07-’08. I realize that he just logged over 200 innings, but it’s the first time he’s done that since ’06. As for salaries, Dice-K is only owed 3.5MM more than Jake over the next 2 seasons (and it decreases to 2.5MM more if the Cards decline their end of the ’13 option).
The only way the Mets trade Jose Reyes is for a legit #2 pitcher who is under team control until they are in a position to contend, 2012 and beyond. If the Cardinals are desperate enough for a SS to trade Wainwright or Garcia, thats probably what it will take for Reyes. No, im not like most other Mets fans who post here.. i realize this is stupid and will never happen. But if you ask me or Chris Carlin of SNY, thats what its going to take for Reyes to be a Cardinal.Same can be said for the Giants, if they are desperate enough for SS help to part with Bumgarner and a couple mid-levels, thats probably what its gunna take. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t going to cut it, Mets dont need another wild lefty who has had one good season. (See: Oliver Perez 2004)
Just because the Mets are shopping Reyes, doesn’t mean they are going to undersell him.
Wainwright or Garcia is way more valuable than Jose Reyes, Jose isn’t a stud anymore.
I agree, i said it was stupid for the Cards to do it, but thats what it is going to take
If that’s what it is going to take to trade a SS who isn’t going to be there when the Mets are ready to contend, then your new GM is already failing his team. The Wainwright part seriously made me LOL.
Who says he won’t be here when the Mets are ready to contend? what if he turns around and has a 2006 like campaign? is that not possible? Sandy would be failing his team by selling too low on Jose. Take it from someone who follows his team.
The worst thing for the Mets would be for him to have a season like 2006. Then he will be signed to a massive contract and fall back down to his career numbers.
thats where you are wrong, this front office is not going to overpay like the minaya regime did. If reyes is out of the mets price range for him following this season, this front office has no ties to him and they will cut him loose and move on.
Sanchez, right now, is worth more than Reyes, and it’s probably not that close. For the Giants and Mets to complete that deal, the Mets should have to throw in something else of value.
And Wainwright and Garcia are worth MUCH more than Reyes. The Motte and Jay suggestion earlier is closer to Reyes’s true value.
again, did you read the whole post? i said the cards would be foolish to take it but thats what it is going to take. A wild reliever and a decent outfield prospect is simply not enough for a deal on a homegrown, fan-favorite shortstop.
To be simple, Alderson and the Mets need to be blown away to trade this guy, which is not likely to happen with his value being so low. Therefore a trade for reyes is quite unlikely unless a team trying to compete gets desperate. When the yankees make their big splash, look for the sox to try and rebound. Thats where i think Jose’s most likely to end up via trade.
Keep in mind that Chris Carlin works for SNY, which is owned by the Mets.
Honestly, what do you expect him to say?
what he hears from the multiple mets beat writers and front office personnel he hears from on a daily basis.
Ha Ha .He can get much more plausible trade rumors from this site.
even if they were desperate both of those trades are absolutley ridiculous.The cards are clearly getting ripped off.Garcia or Wainwright are future 1s or 2s.
this is why reyes isnt going anywhere.
I’m glad some people see Reyes’ value is down. The Rays also need a shortstop. Would Reyes for Garza be an ok trade? If anything, Reyes to the Giants would be for one of there better prospects and a lower level prospect.
Garza would be a decent starting point. Or Shields for that matter. a couple nice prospects would be necessary.. Not necessarily Jennings nice, but good ones.
The Rays have 2 shortstops. They’re probably going to trade one of them this offseason due to the surplus.
Which brings me to thinking that it could be Reyes + Kirk N. for Garza, Bartlett and a prospect?
If I were the Mets I would offer him to Boston for Ellsbury, Lowrie and Dice K. A trade like that would help the Mets win next year and move on from the past years.
Dice-K a no-go but Ells and Lowrie would be an interesting place to start. Ellsbury would be able to replace Jose in the leadoff spot, and Lowrie would give them an immediate, low-risk option at short. Throw in a pitcher who isn’t the righty version of Ollie Perez and i would have to listen closely if i were GM
Now this makes more sense and is believable.
only problem is now we have 4 starting outfielders.. again.. we either have to put pagan on the bench again, or trade beltran
I realize that, but I would put Pagan and Ellsbury up against one another in the spring. If Bay or Beltran go down with injury, you have a quality fill in.
I don’t know if the Red Sox would ever do it, but it’d be a trade that would help both clubs.
Dice K in the NL in Citi Field will win a ton of games. The Mets should take his salary on. He’d be their #2-3 starter.
Why not Beltran + Reyes for Ellsbury, Iglesias and Dice K?
I really, really hate media generated trade speculation. Bored sports journalists are evil.
They’re like High Schoolers in a sense. Always looking for drama.
Cubs should get in on this for him to play second and mentor Castro.
Perhaps something like Fukudome, Wells, Vitters,and J.Jackson
We need actual ENTERTAINING headlines, like “Mets asking price for Oliver Perez”.
That’s easy- a seeing eye dog and a reflective vest delivered to Omar Minaya’s house.
That would be an overpay, not to mention animal cruelty….
I’m just glad this isn’t close to what the Jays want/need.
Who’s gonna trade 3 or 4 prospects for 1 year of Jose Reyes. His value has clearly declined
nobody LOL.
Why does every Cardinals fan on here keep on wanting to trade Motte? I love his arm and he is improving more and more all the time. Should be our closer this year.
what about reyes to the angels? they could put together a proposal of aybar, trevor bell and pat corbin (lhp prospect). Reyes fills that leadoff hitter void of the halos and the angels wont be giving up too much
First, Corbin is with the D’backs (Dan Haren), and secondly it isn’t worth trading Bell+Reyes light for Reyes.
whoops my bad, i forgot about that. i knew skaggs and suanders were traded forgot about corbin.
If Reyes does get traded, I hope I see Tejada at shortstop. Tejada showed god stuff on defense (awful stuff at the plate) but is still young. Maybe Tejada could be another Luis Castillo (early days, not 2009 vs the Yankees).
he’s nowhere near as quick as castillo was back in the marlins days though. castillo made a living with speed and defense, not just defense.
Type true, but I love Tejada’s defense and arm.
Jose Reyes to the RedSox for Felix Doubront, Yamaico Navarro, Junichi Tazawa/ or Michael Bowden and Josh Reddick, Reddick competes with Beltran and Pagan, Navarro competes for SS/2B spot, Felix Doubront is in there 2010 rotation and Bowden/Tazawa compete for a spot in the Bullpen
Then redsox trade Marco Scutaro to the Cards for a B level prospect and cash
in what possible way does Reddick’s AAA line of .247/.286/.427 and sub mendoza line major league numbers compete with Beltran/Pagan?
in what possible way does Navarro compete for the any spot on the roster with 16 career games above AAA?
The Mets are not in the baseball business to give people away for slop, contrary to popular belief. Alderson and co. are not itching to trade reyes, its going to have to be a deal that will benefit the mets in both the short and long term. Lowrie and Ellsbury is a better place to start.
for a year of Jose Reyes im sure the mets would like a 23 year old LHP who would start in there rotation possibly a future #2 starter, bowden/tazawa either a sure thing out of the bullpen or a future #4 or #5 starter, also Navarro is a top 10 redsox prospect and definetly would compete for SS/2B for the Mets, and Reddick is only gonna get better and would at least be in competition for the Mets 4th OF spot so this trade would definetly benefit the Mets for a year or Jose Reyes and a draft pick
only way the mets pull the trigger on that deal is if they are desperate, which they are not. they can do better than 4 maybes.
in dont think Felix Doubront is a maybe, Bowden and Tazawa dont seem like maybes to me either in the NL they would definetly make the Mets Bullpen, Navarro is the redsox #9 prospect and best IF prospect, Id agree reddick is a maybe but he looks to me like a fourth OF
3 yrs of Ellsbury, who will be the better player moving forward and is cheap, for 1 yr of Reyes? U really need to stop sniffing glue son!
Reyes to Sox for Ellsbury and Bowden.
Reyes to Sox for Ellsbury and Bowden.
read the whole thread, ive basically been saying this entire time if the mets are not blown away by an offer there is no reason to trade him. so in my opinion thats what it’s going to take.
3 yrs of Ellsbury, who will be the better player moving forward and is cheap, for 1 yr of Reyes? U really need to stop sniffing glue son!
Mets will trade Reyes for 3 mid level prospects or 2 high level prospects, something like to the Reds for Frazier and Wood; to the Sox for Bowden and Reddick.
Mets will trade Reyes for 3 mid level prospects or 2 high level prospects, something like to the Reds for Frazier and Wood; to the Sox for Bowden and Reddick.
No team is going to overpay in talent for one year of Jose Reyes. If a team wants Reyes they would just wait a year to sign him as a free agent. Or trade for him mid July. By that time the Mets will be out of it and Reyes’ value will be lower.
Reyes isn’t very good, I would trade him for anything at this point. Him and Wright are so dissapointing. They aren’t clutch. that’s the problem. Trade while Wright’s value is high!
David Wright for his career in high leverage situations: .317/.389/.527, in medium leverage situations: .298/.373/.508 and in low leverage situations: .305/.390/.517.Yup, he isn’t clutch (sarcasm). He only does his best work in the most important moments of the games. I don’t understand the choice to speak in cliches when facts are available.
Don’t bring logic and facts into this.
personaly i would like to see the mets roll on health with beltran, hold him till the deadline and trade him and pay most of the salary for a legit prospect
All of this discussion depends on the long-term plans for this team. Next year’s team is more or less irrelevant…if they happen to compete, great, but the eye is on years 2-4. So the questions are: 1)What are the odds you’ll keep Reyes beyond this year? 2)What kind of prospects and players can you get for him who will contribute in years 2-4 and beyond and 3)do those players have greater value than the 2 picks you’ll get if he bolts in 2012. There’s probably a fourth question re: what will the value of Reyes be at the trade deadline vs. now, but that’s crystal ball territory…
This Would be a Desperation move for the Mets.Jose Reyes means way too much to this team and his a leader and still a all star at SS it would take alot to pry him away but IMO I wouldn’t trade him
This Would be a Desperation move for the Mets.Jose Reyes means way too much to this team and his a leader and still a all star at SS it would take alot to pry him away but IMO I wouldn’t trade him
Jose Reyes for Madison Bumgarner. That’s a fair deal for both teams
Jose Reyes for Barry Zito? That’s a fair deal for both teams.
hahahhahaah…….(deep breath) hahahahahhahaa. (deep breath) no it’s not.
(My apologies if you were being sarcastic)
Angels could give NY some salary relief and help them out with this deal – Reyes and K-Rod or Carlos Beltran (if they miss out on Crawford) for Eric Aybar, Mike Napoli, Fernando Rodney and a high level pitching prospect.
Jose Reyes and Carlos Beltran
for
Christian Betcancourt (C), Mike Minor (LHP), C. Perez (LHP) and A. Simmons (SS)
GOOD. no way i would want to trade Reyes.
GOOD. no way i would want to trade Reyes.
To all the people that want to offer ridiculous proposals and then get mad when Mets fans say no, remember this: they don’t have to trade him. This isn’t a small market team that will be forced to trade Reyes no matter what because they can’t afford him. Sandy’s doing his due diligence and listening to offers, which every team does. If he doesn’t like what he hears then Reyes will be a Met in 2011 and maybe beyond.
trade for ichirooo…he’s bored in seattle
get ichiroo he’s bored in seattle
Everyone calm down. There’s no way Reyes is getting moved this Winter. The only way that might happen is if some team is willing to overpay, basically forcing Alderson’s hand. Otherwise, I’d give a 90% chance his value will go up from current value at least a bit at the trade deadline, at which point he’ll be extended or traded depending on where the Mets are in the standings.
Everyone calm down. There’s no way Reyes is getting moved this Winter. The only way that might happen is if some team is willing to overpay, basically forcing Alderson’s hand. Otherwise, I’d give a 90% chance his value will go up from current value at least a bit at the trade deadline, at which point he’ll be extended or traded depending on where the Mets are in the standings.