The Royals won't trade Zack Greinke within their division, tweets SI's Jon Heyman. The Twins might have been a nice match, and the White Sox often check in on big names, but it appears those two teams as well as the Indians and Tigers will have to look elsewhere if they want to import an ace.
On Tuesday, Yahoo's Jeff Passan talked to a source that feels Greinke will not rule out any winning team. The 27-year-old righty can submit a list of 15 teams to which he cannot be traded without his consent.
Can’t see the Royals getting a package for Greinke like the Rangers got for Teixeira. What team has the talent to do something like that, and would do it for Greinke? I think the Royals are setting themselves up for a very limited market.
Its not the Royals, its Zack as well who has a pretty decent no trade clause.. .
To me I don’t see the Royals getting a big haul for him.. Most teams who are not opposed to trading prospects are blocked by Zack, and smaller market teams that Zack prefers are either not competitive or aren’t as likely to give up a bunch of young prospects…
To me the only fit I see in the AL is Texas if they lose out on Lee, if not perhaps an NL team like the Reds, or Brewers
It really is a limited market…but Doc had a limited market too. So..
Toronto also didn’t end up getting the haul they were originally asking for, which was kind of the point I was making. If Passan is right, and Greinke will accept bids to large market teams, the Royals aren’t going to get the amount of talent they are looking for. If you look at the usual suspects, it seems like the Red Sox have the most talented prospects to put together a deal, and even then, they have no use for Greinke.
The Yankees don’t have the quality prospects to deal for Greinke. The Phillies don’t have the quality prospects to deal for Greinke. I can’t imagine any team giving up three or four of their top prospects to land Greinke, when they aren’t sure how he’s going to react to playing outside of Kansas City.
I agree in the fact that I think Texas is the most likely to put a deal together for Greinke, but who headlines that deal? Other than Tanner Scheppers, who would the Rangers piece together for a trade that would help the Royals in the next few years, when most of their top prospects reach the majors?
Seems like a risky thing to move most of your top prospects for a guy with severe anxiety issues and one dominant season under his belt. He’s definitely an ace, but the baggage that he comes with lowers his appeal, in my opinion. Too risky. That’s why I think the Royals’ market for Greinke is far more limited than the Jays’ market for Halladay. Two very different circumstances.
Yankees have at worst a top 10 farm in baseball. Research please.
It was actually last rated at 15th
I didn’t say they didn’t have a good farm system. I said they didn’t have the quality prospects that the Royals are interested in. Reading lessons please.
Unless I’m mistaken the Rangers have one of the best farm systems in the MLB
They do, though not as good as it once was due to trades/graduations. I think his point was that most of their talent is in the lower minors, some of which the Royals might be interested in, but that the Royals probably want the centerpiece (or at least a couple of the top pieces) to be Major League ready within the next year.
Unless I’m mistaken the Rangers have one of the best farm systems in the MLB
Greinke already said the most important thing is that he goes to a winner which means he is open to big market teams…
did he tell you that?
The Yankees and Royals have continued to discuss a Zack Greinke trade and the right-hander is more open to pitching in a major market than it seems, according to Yahoo’s Jeff Passan. Greinke can block trades to the Yankees and other large market teams, but a source close to the former Cy Young Award winner says winning matters more than anything.
Greinke’s partial no-trade clause would give him leverage if the Royals approached him about a deal, but he would not necessarily turn down the chance to pitch for a winning team in a large market. The Royals are still asking for a Mark Teixeira-like haul for their ace, though they’re willing to move him. GM Dayton Moore is looking for “at least one major league-ready player and multiple high-level prospects,” Passan writes
They only put the Yanks in the mix to drive the price up.
I am sure you are right… DUH why else would they do it? My guess is they are really talking slider32… It’s clear that both TX and NYY want a SP. I am sure both teams have been im contact with the Royals by now just to see what the Royals would be asking for Greinke…
did he tell you that?
I’d rather be the Giants this year, than have the best minor league system. Look at the Rays, this was their year and they blew it even with a great farm they will be hard pressed to replace Crawford,Pena, and all those relief pitchers.
I belive the Cubs could be considered a big market team and they definately can’t be considered a winner or winning team.
I don’t believe it is market size, rather whether or not they are (or think they are) contending teams. A team like the O’s would of course love Greinke, and they can afford him no problem, but does it make sense to trade Adam Jones, Tillman, Britton, Reimold and 2 more prospects when he can leave in two years?
Maybe it’s like a faux no trade clause they’re fabricating so that the Twins or White Sox have to buy it out if they eventually want to trade for Greinke. You know, “I’d love to trade him for that herd ‘o prospects, but I’m not comfortable with moving him within the division. Is there anything you can do to make me feel better about this trade, Mr Williams?”
But I agree with that other guy from Phil: it’s weird to limit the market like that when you weren’t going anywhere in the next couple years anyway. The return has to be more important than worrying about how you’ll look in three years if Greinke turns out to pitch well.
Call me crazy, but does anyone think some kind of trade could work out with the Dbacks and Royals with them swapping Justin Upton and Zack Greinke, along with prospects?
Unless the Dbacks are one of the teams Greinke can block a trade to.
You’re crazy! But I could see that being in the realm of possibility.
I mentioned this once before and most people didn’t like it. In some ways it makes sense, but since I mentioned it there was a report that the Royals are one of 5 teams on Upton’s limited no-trade clause. Of course, those are sometimes only a bargaining tool, but usually only used as a bargain chip for large market teams. I’d bet he just really does not want to play for Kansas City. 🙁
I’d also have to bet Greinke doesn’t want to play for Arizona lol
I didn’t realize Upton had a no trade clause. My bad.
I also did not realize that myself.
Yeah, it’s only blocking 5 teams, but KC is one. Go figure. haha
If Grienke wants to win, I doubt the Diamond backs minus their best player is a good option for the next 2 years
Well crazy things do happen. Who expected the Padres to go from 63 wins in 2008 to 90 wins and this close to a division title in 2010, oh not to mention the Rays going from the worst record in baseball in 2007 to 97 wins in 2008
I’d say of the 6 division winners this year, probably 4 of them were unexpected, all but Minny and Philly were not much shocking.
Right, I’m not saying it can’t be done…but the Rays, Padres in your situations didn’t lose their best player.. If they acquire Grienke without losing Upton then maybe you have a point..
Grienke is not going to the Diamond backs.
its not Greinke you have to worry about… Justin Upton will not left his NTC to come to Kansas City…
its not Greinke you have to worry about… Justin Upton will not left his NTC to come to Kansas City…
Translation: Royals would have a higher asking price to trade within division than elsewhere.
Nobody, repeat, NOBODY, is off limits as a trade partner. Ever. If the Twins were willing to eat Morneau and Mauer’s salary, and send them to the Royals along with Sano-Gibson-Hicks, I promise Moore would jump at the chance to screw over a rival.
I realize the point your emphasizing here. And that’s true, especially if the Twins/White Sox/Tigers had a player or two that the Royals covet. The Mariners apparently loved Justin Smoak so much that they were willing to trade Cliff Lee within the division to get him last summer. However, I wonder if that’s what Dayton Moore’s logic is, only backwards. Nobody in the AL central has any trade assets that he’s head over heels for (realistic assets, anyway), so he’s not going anywhere in the division
The Lee/Smoak trade was different than this situation from the Mariner’s perspective, as the Mariners were already out of contention and Lee was a half year rental. Now the Rangers trading Smoak within the division when they could potentially be haunted by him for years is similar to the Greinke thing.
I think sometimes people are off limits. Doc was never going to be traded to the Yankees or Red Sox regardless of their packages.
I agree!
“Translation: Royals would have a higher asking price to trade within division than elsewhere.”
Exactly!! That being said I hope Dombrowski offers the farm…er, whats left of it at least. lol
Exactly…and if the White Sox offered Beckham, Sale and Alexi I really think the Royals “no trade within the division” stance would be reevaluated
why in the world should the white sox do that? they already have enough of a depleted farm?
why in the world should the white sox do that? they already have enough of a depleted farm?
I wouldn’t be surprise if the Brewers make a competitive offer for Greinke. They apparently made a better offer for Halladay than the Phillies, but Roy blocked the trade. If Greinke doesn’t block Milwaukee that could be a real possibility.
I’d like to see that go down for MIL.
The only question is will the brew crew compete in the next 2 years…
If the answer is no, then why bother giving up prospects?
They can compete this year if they trade for Greinke and keep Fielder. 2012 might be tough though. They have prospects to deal in order to make a trade with KC.
I guess it depends if they work out a deal with all prospects or give up one of their position players.
If they give up prospects, somewhere along the lines of Lawrie and Jeffress, they are definitely going to implement a win now strategy.
With the declining urge to trade Fielder I wouldn’t be surprised if this enters Melvin’s mind.
So it all comes down to win now or wait until the prospect develop.
Guys it will be Texas….. The have the second best farm in the big leagues, only behind Tampa, who cant take on the added payroll. Not to to mention that Texas will have so many prospect eligable for the Rule 5 draft next winter (not this winter), that will have to moved (traded) some in order to avoid losing them for what equates to nothing in baseball terms ($50,000.).
Hunter (Major League SP), Scheppers (SP) , Font (SP) and there choice of Beltre (OF) or Profar (SS).
Tampa is #1? Texas #2?
You *ARE* aware KC has the #1 farm system ranked by every publication so far…and 2nd place isn’t even close…
according to what source.
according to what source.
Last I heard, according to a March 2010 article on Baseball Prospectus, the Royals were ranked 10th in farm systems. Has a lot changed in 7 months or so to put them top?
Not saying you are wrong, but I haven’t seen updates past March that puts the rankings. And as of March, the Royals were 10th. Rays and Rangers, as mentioned, were 1 and 2.
Do you have to be a member on there to find out?
You guys are reading OLD NEWS. That was before Eric Hosmer/Mike Moustakas/John Lamb, etc. all had breakout years in the minors for the Royals. It was also before the Royals added Brett Eibner, Christian Colon, etc. in the draft. This organization has grown A TON in 7 months. So to answer your question, yes, a lot has changed to put them on top.
In that span the Rangers also traded Justin Smoak/Blake Beavan. Plenty has changed in 7 months…though the Rangers and Rays still have quality systems.
If you are a very avid reader of Baseball America as I am, you would have seen them constantly admitting that the Royals’ farm system is almost a slam dunk to be ranked the No. 1 farm system….just read the Royals top 10 report released a couple weeks ago. 😉
Jeez dude it sounds as if you’re yelling at me and calling me dumb or something cause I read something outdated. As I said, I didn’t accuse anyone of being wrong. And no I’m not an avid reader of Baseball America which I’m sure updates often but it sucks you have to subscribe to read such details.
And if you have the time, could you provide a lit or something. Not of every team but maybe top 10 or so?
Sorry if it seemed like I was yelling at you, but I certainly am not. I am not a subscriber to Baseball America. There are things “subscribers only” on there, but those all have a “home plate” on the side of the link. Those without a “home plate” can be read by everyone.
You can find the top 10 lists on there. They are currently releasing 2-3 American League top 10’s a week right now. You can’t read the top 10s with scouting reports or chat unless you subscribe, but you can read the top 10 article and list of the top 10 players without being a subscriber, however.
Again, I’m sorry if it seemed like I was yelling at you or calling you dumb. That certainly was not my intention at all.
No big deal, thanks for the update. Matter of fact, the article I read that was posted in March had the Cardinals ranked 29th I believe after the Matt Holiday trade. Before the Matt Holiday trade, they were ranked 8th. I guess a lot can change lol.
I posted the lists, but it appears they’ve been taken down for some reason?
Sorry if it seemed like I was yelling at you, but I certainly am not. I am not a subscriber to Baseball America. There are things “subscribers only” on there, but those all have a “home plate” on the side of the link. Those without a “home plate” can be read by everyone.
You can find the top 10 lists on there. They are currently releasing 2-3 American League top 10’s a week right now. You can’t read the top 10s with scouting reports or chat unless you subscribe, but you can read the top 10 article and list of the top 10 players without being a subscriber, however.
Again, I’m sorry if it seemed like I was yelling at you or calling you dumb. That certainly was not my intention at all.
For the Royals a lot of their top prospects Hosmer, Myers Moustakas, Montgomery, Duffy, Dwyer really took off this season and are among the best prospects in the game. Not only did they preform well, but a number of them were doing it at AA making them pretty sure bets to have major league success. I know BP has the Royals with 5 5-star prospects this season, for comparison the Pirates who do have a pretty good farm system have just 2 and they are both 18 year olds (not saying they won’t reach that potential just that a lot can happen). And I seem to recall in a BA chat about the Yankees system that Banuelos the Yankees third best prospect would be no better than 8th or 9th in the Royals system. They really have drasically improved this year.
It will be the team that Greinke chooses or it will be no place. Zack doesn’t care about farm systems, he cares more about where his family will live and where he will work.
That may be true but the money if they were to extend his contract and the teams ability to win might be a big factor.
It will be the team that Greinke chooses or it will be no place. Zack doesn’t care about farm systems, he cares more about where his family will live and where he will work.
I am looking at a Baseball America article that has: 1) Tampa, 2) Texas and 3) KC.
But honestly it says “prospects being major league ready”…..
So I guess from a overall standpoint, yall might be correct. I guess it depends on what they (Baseball America) are considering “READY”.
But I dont guess it really matter anyways….. Texas would be the best match for the Royals given the quality, depth, and number of prospect avaiable, combined with the need for Greinke, and a payroll that would allow for it.
But I dont guess it really matter anyways….. Texas would be the best match for the Royals given the quality, depth, and number of prospect avaiable, combined with the need for Greinke, and a payroll that would allow for it.
How recent was the article written?
Tampa has the prospects, but they are loaded with pitching unless they want to trade Garza or Shields.
Yes, but BA also has said that the top systems IN TERMS OF TALENT is
KC
Tampa
Atlanta
everyone else
Can’t believe how high Atlanta still is after the Awful Mark Texiera trade with the Rangers. They easily could have been number 1 before it.
Per Baseball Prospectus on November 19 (sorry, it’s subscriber only), “The Royals have the top farm system in baseball, and it’s not even close.”
baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=12470
I’m just guessing that article might be from the summer or prior, before a number of the Royals prospects really reached their full potential. Now most of the Royals guys are probably a year+ away, but they are a higher quality (also most of the Rangers guys are already in the majors so they might not want to trade Feliz, Moreland Borbon etc.)
I am looking at a Baseball America article that has: 1) Tampa, 2) Texas and 3) KC.
But honestly it says “prospects being major league ready”…..
So I guess from a overall standpoint, yall might be correct. I guess it depends on what they (Baseball America) are considering “READY”.
If Texas misses out on Lee, they should be right on top of the list of pursuers for Greinke.
What exactly IS his value? Is he worth the ace last year? Is he worth the pitcher that showed up this year? Does his past come into play?
Personally, I’d be afraid to send more than an A prospect and some change.
Good I don’t want Kenny Williams trading anymore prospects.
the white sox already have Peavy, EJax, Floyd, Danks, and Sale. No need to make any pitching trades period. I am still fuming over the Hudson-EJax deal. Basically traded for a more expensive version of the same pitcher.
Good I don’t want Kenny Williams trading anymore prospects.
What about Milwaukee straight up for Prince?
That may be a good basis for a trade, but do the Royals even have a desire for Prince? I’m guessing they would rather have prospects than Prince for a year.
With all do respect, there’s no way the Royals would take Prince. For one, money is a factor, but even more than that is the fact that the Royals have a logjam at first base with Billy Butler, Kila Ka’aihue and top prospect Eric Hosmer who will arrive very soon. It’s not a bad suggestion, but the Royals really need the prospects to create more depth.
Thats exactly what I was saying.
With all do respect, there’s no way the Royals would take Prince. For one, money is a factor, but even more than that is the fact that the Royals have a logjam at first base with Billy Butler, Kila Ka’aihue and top prospect Eric Hosmer who will arrive very soon. It’s not a bad suggestion, but the Royals really need the prospects to create more depth.
That may be a good basis for a trade, but do the Royals even have a desire for Prince? I’m guessing they would rather have prospects than Prince for a year.
too much money for 1 year of Prince PLUS Hosmer will be up in 2012 (who’s arguably better than Prince in terms of tools) and what about Butler?
That was the Royals would only finish 25 games out instead of 30
That was the Royals would only finish 25 games out instead of 30
isnt his division the only one hes not scared to play in?
I don’t think the Royals want a big name player for Grienke. I think the best deal for them is the one the Rangers have Scheppers and Perez would get the deal done.
No, it would take at least adding Profar to that to even get the phone answered.
I say Grienke to Anaheim for Mike Trout and Brandon Wood.
Why would a team rich in pitching trade their number 1 prospect an outfield prospect, probably number one prospect in all of baseball.?
Maybe it is a ploy to dump Brandon Wood. 😉
no
If I’m Walt Jocketty (Reds GM)…I’m all in on that kind of trade (for an staff ACE)!
Offer up RHSP Bailey / LHSP Woods / RHRP Fisher & AA OF Josh Fellhauer.
(3 young controllable MLB arms & an B level prospect)
What you’re proposing doesn’t match up with the Royals needs. We’re thin at C, SS, and the OF. We’re also needing productive speed at one of those positions. We’ve got plenty of pitching depth.
I’m glad you’re not Walt. No way would they trade Bailey and Wood. Pick one and put in position prospects to complete the deal. Preferably I would keep Wood rather than trading for Greinke.
What about Rasmus for Greinke, Myers and Kiahue? Royals boasts a potentially remarkable 3-4-5-6 of the order for the next several years with Hosmer, Butler, Rasmus, Moustakas and gives up two seasons of Greinke, Kiahue who will strugle for playing time with Hosmer/Butler, and Myers, who is good but is still a “prospect”, so who knows how he could pan out. Even if Hosmer/Moustakas dont emerge next year, Kansas City still has a more offensive team that is much more fun to watch next season, even if it is just Butler and Rasmus batting 3-4.
St Louis would like to do everything in its power to keep Pujols. Losing him would lose criple the fanbase, and Mo knows that. This move gives them the best rotation in MLB for next season with Wain, Carp, Greinke, Garcia, Westbrook, arguably making them the WS favorites. But more importantly, it sets them up for whatever the Pujols future brings. With Carpenter(15MM, with a 15MM team option), Theriot (approx. 5MM, depending on arb), Pujols (16MM), and Molina (7MM) contracts all expiring and with the added salary of Greinke 13.5 and Wainwright getting an extra 3M, that still leaves about 27MM they can commit to resigning Pujols. They can afford to let Molina and Carp walk with the cheaper, younger, and possibly better, Myers and Greinke. And if worse comes to worse and they STILL can’t keep Pujols, they still should have a great season this year and have great 1b replacements in Kiahue and Craig.
Dude you are tuly overvalueing Rasmus. I hope you were plan on sending over a couple of prospects to go along with him for that package of Greinke + Myers and Killer K.
Rasmus is a pretty amazing player. He plays amazing CF defense, hit 23 homers in 450 ABs, and has 4-5 years of team control versus Greinke’s two years at moderately expensive salaries. He does have some problems with hitting lefties for power but he hit them well enough for avg and obp. Greinke has had his fair share of problems with stress too. Maybe the Cards would send some lower-level pitching prospects but not much more. The Royals, with the incredible farm system they have, could make an impact within the next two years, but Butler needs some immediate protection in that lineup now. Rasmus and Butler are sure things unlike Moustakas or Hosmer, so at the very least they’d have two very good 3-4 hitters
ORioles could make a deal for him
The team with one of the best farm systems in the majors has had interest in him since the possibility of him being traded had come to light. And with having Tek back for one more year and Lavarnway itching for the majors, Saltalamacchia could be traded along with a few more players in order to bring him to Boston.
Don’t care. Don’t want him. It’s not like he’s inexpensive or under team control for a long period. He’d also cost too much in prospects.