The Reds have signed Edgar Renteria to a one-year deal, the team announced. The agreement guarantees him $2.1MM and allows him to earn another $900K through incentives. Bruce Levine of ESPNChicago.com first reported the agreement and Jon Heyman of SI.com added the terms of the deal (Twitter link). Agents Jeffrey Lane and Barry Meister represent the 2010 World Series MVP.
Earlier in the offseason, Renteria expressed interest in returning to the Marlins or Cardinals. A deal with the Reds would be a homecoming of sorts for Renteria, who played under GM Walt Jocketty from 1999-2004 while Jocketty was the St. Louis GM.
Renteria, 34, says he intends to play for two more seasons. He batted .276/.332/.374 in 267 plate appearances last year, missing time with elbow, groin, hamstring and shoulder injuries before returning to form and leading the Giants to their first championship in San Francisco.
Renteria discussed a potential return to San Francisco, even after saying that the Giants' $1MM offer showed a "lack of respect."
wow, didn’t see that coming… I guess the Reds gave some respect with this contract…
can’t wait to see the dollar amount
Click the actual link… Could be as high as $3M. Yeesh.
geez, looks like he got his respekt
Twice as much money with the potential to earn three times more his past offer, I’d like a job offer with something like that.
You’re getting totally disrespected if you haven’t received one yet.
I really hope they still give Janish a real shot at being the everyday shortstop. Would Renteria have signed with the Reds even if it was a backup role?
I agree I think Janish is a better SS than Renteria at this stage in his career. No way though that Renteria is the backup.
Nobody cares. He’ll be on the DL 3/4 of the season.
Renteria’s track record shows he is pretty durable, so I doubt he see a ton of time on the DL. This is a good signing by the Reds. Renteria is a winner, and should provide good leadership for a young team.
Rent was on the DL about six times in the last two years. He also did some time on the DL in Detroit and Atlanta…I would not really call that durable. The Reds have a lot going for them, I hope he does not bring them down.
He only played 72 games last year, I hope your right 3 mil is a lot for the reds to spend if the guy isn’t going to play
I’m not sure why you or anyone keep saying $3million is a ton of money to spend. The league average salary in 2009 was $3million. Which equates to this like being UNDER league average.
They aren’t overpaying for him.
Given that 1 WAR on the free agent market is worth about $4.5 million, and that over the last two seasons he was worth 0.3 and 1.3 WAR respectively, it would appear that this works out to be a fair deal for the Reds. With Janish as an affordable backup option, if Edgar goes down with another popped hammy or whatever else, it probably won’t be a huge loss for the Reds.
That said, general opinion is that he won’t be worth much, rightly or not. When everyone is saying that he should retire, and then he comes out and says he wants to play for two more years… You’ll be hard pressed to convince people that paying him anything is wise.
He only played 72 games last year, I hope your right 3 mil is a lot for the reds to spend if the guy isn’t going to play
Having watched this guy for the last two seasons in San Francisco, the only player less durable is “Fragile” Freddy Sanchez.
72 games over 2 years = durable?
Renteria’s track record shows he is pretty durable, so I doubt he see a ton of time on the DL. This is a good signing by the Reds. Renteria is a winner, and should provide good leadership for a young team.
good for edgar… he still is a very good player….
Correction! he still a baseball player.
Correction! He still is a baseball player on occasion…2 yrs, 72 games w/ the Giants…hopefully is well rested and ready to make the lineup for the Reds this year
I take it you didn’t watch any SF Giants games this past season? You’re right, Renteria is a gamer. LOL
Giants respected him with $18.5 million! Thanks for your HR Edgar…peace out!!
Waste of money, they should have just ran with Janish and Cozart
Agree
I too wish they would have just given Janish and Cozart a shot at it but I think with the moves that the Brewers made and the cardinals are always tough, I think there was some pressure to make a name splash a little.
Here is how I look at it now that this is probably a done deal.
1. Janish will be told he is the starter until he cant hit for crap and then they will slowly start playing Renteria more and eventually their roles will switch.
2. If Janish continues to improve his bat like hie did last year and comes out doing well I could see some kinda of 50 / 50 time with the both of these guys. Kinda go with the hot bat at the time kinda deal.
3. If Renteria gets injured Janish will be ready to prove to the reds they made the mistake of signing Renteria.
4. If Janish gets injured at least we have someone who knows how to play SS at the major league level.
So in conclusion. Am I happy about the deal , yeah just a little cause we have some decent depth now at SS. Do I think Janish should be given the job out of spring training, No unless he shows he can handle it. I still think these two will split the season for time at SS.
Jay,
I can work with your theory. My only fear is that the WS MVP wont want to split 50/50 and some troubles may arise from that. The more I think about it though, both Renteria and Rolen are bound to A.) hit the DL or B.) need time off, thus I think Janish is well suited to play quite a bit at both 3rd and SS this year which is fine with me. I just felt we could have used the money to get a lead-off man. Who knows the clubs may be sold on having stubbs lead-off this year……
Who says that they aren’t still going to do that?
Janish must be thinking, “Not again!”
Who are the giants gonna get as a backup infielder now…
Hopefully someone who can actually field!?!?!
Can someone confirm I’m not crazy or just fell through a time warp or something…
I keep going to baseball-reference and many player page I go to has omitted the 2010 stats… anyone else see that?
Dude, how can the 2010 season stats be there when its January 6, 2010 now?
🙂
In the words of daffy duck, you’re despicable. Add the lisp as needed.
Baseball-Reference tweeted about an hour ago that they are rebuilding the site and lost some of the stats and should have them back up later today.
Thanks. I was wondering if I needed to call NASA and inform them I have a wormhole above my bed. Never go to sleep watching stargate…
Man, i can’t wait to see him and Janish battle it out for the SS job in ST
I am with you on this. I think it will be a good dog fight now which is good for the team in the end cause both guys want to be the starter and that usually leads to good play.
Man, i can’t wait to see him and Janish battle it out for the SS job in ST
Are you kidding me? What a major lack of disrespect! Oh my god!
They should be giving this guy a 30 million dollar contract over 2 years with a 18 million dollar mutual option for year 3.
How dare they disrespect this god like player?
You know the thing that always makes me laugh on this site.
Its when you look over at the number of people who liked a message and its always the posts that are being sarcastic or making a comment that does not matter one bit to the topic. Everyone laughs and says that was funny I like that post … ok not everyone but a lot do.
Yea, I think it’s relevant. The guy gets massively overpaid for 2 years, and yes, good for him, was the World Series MVP and did a good job.
But, there are a lot of minor league kids, and probably back up major leaguers too, that can put up WAY better offensive and defensive numbers than Edgar Renteria if given the same amount of playing time and opportunity.
Respect? He needs a gut check. He needs to respect the game. These guys whine and moan about a million dollars when most people will never make a million dollars in their entire lifetime.
Here’s where I am going to throw out a bit of a correction…
Minor Leaguers haven’t played in the major leagues yet. Therefore, you don’t KNOW that they are going to produce at that level, specifically. It’s hit and miss, no pun intended. So saying someone like Zach Cozart would produce just as good as Edgar Renteria, is a shot in the dark. You don’t know that. He could, but he also could not and likely would not.
It’s good to go with what you KNOW is going to happen, and that Edgar is likely going to put up similar numbers that he has throughout his career. Not fantastic, but also not terrible. He’s not going to hurt the Reds at that position.
So, Jay, you’re saying you find it funny when others find it funny when someone says something funny.
The Reds have signed the reigning World Series MVP. Wow. Never thought I’d say that
I know right … A lot of people on here act like the Reds just signed the worst player in baseball history.
Not the worst player in baseball history, just confused why they’d sign a guy who’s best case scenario is starting 70 games decently, coming off the bench for 10 more and being on the DL the other half of the season. There’s a reason no one else until now offered him over 1 million
With ATL and DET he started 124+ games each of those 2 years. I don’t get your ideology that the guy can’t play the game because he had an injury plagued year in San Francisco last year. Not to mention, you’re blaming him instead of the San Fran front-office for his ballooned contract. I don’t get that.
He’s under league average for salary. He took a good paycut to come to Cincinnati. He wants to play, and I bet we see a healthy Renteria this year. If not, Janish will be our starter and we have Cozart waiting in the shadows.
I don’t think he took a pay cut since San Fran was the only other team to offer him contract worth 1 million/yr
He took a good paycut compared to LAST YEAR’S salary…did he not? No matter the team he signed with, he was going to take a paycut compared to last year’s salary. I would grant you on your assumption, but I don’t believe you can take a paycut for a year in which you haven’t been paid in or played yet.
It’s pretty clear you haven’t watched him the last couple seasons. he played 138 games with Detroit not very well, his numbers fell off a cliff from the Atlanta days. Then he comes to SF and goes on the DL I believe 6 times in 2 seasons. His legs are falling apart, range deteriorating by the day… what in all that indicates 2010 was just a fluke? If you think he has more than 80 games in him you are crazy. 2 injury plagued seasons in a row at his age are serious red flags. He should have retired on top while he had the chance
eh, if the cost for around a .700 OPS and insurance policy is 3mil(with incentives), it isn’t that bad of a deal. Though i think there were better options out there, you can understand the Reds perspective. He won’t need to play more than 80 games anyways(barring injuries of course) with Janish/Cozart.
His age? The dude is 34 years old. Everyone keeps indicating that he’s so old…he’s simply not. He’s not young, but he’s also not extremely old. If he were 36-38 years old, I would give you that. But the guy can still play. The Reds didn’t sign him with the idea in mind that he is going to play 162 games this year. They didn’t do that with Cabrera either. But, Cabrera is 2 years older than Renteria and still played quite a few games for the Reds and didn’t “hurt” them.
The ideology behind these gripes and complaints is that he can’t play the game anymore because he’s been hurt the last couple years. If you have any sense of baseball history, that thinking has no substantial backing to it. Players can decline or players can improve of those injury plagued years. It’s a shot in the dark, but at the very least, Renteria will serve as a quality backup at short.
Generally speaking, he’s old for a shortstop. A lot of shortstops move to 3B or 2B by his age to account for a shrinking range or a slowing first step.
I’m of the opinion that Renteria, if he will only play shortstop, shouldn’t be a starter. He played surprisingly well in the postseason this year, but as noted elsewhere he only played about a half-season’s worth of baseball; he was well rested.
All told, the Reds will probably get more serviceable defense out of him, and better production overall, if he’s in a platoon situation. Give Renteria half the starts, and give Janish some low-pressure playing time.
I’m not worried whether he’s playing shortstop, 3B, or 2B. Doesn’t matter to me really. I just think the comments made that he can’t play the game because he’s too old, is stretching it. 34 isn’t too old for baseball. Is he past his prime? Of course he is, but it doesn’t mean he still can’t play the game.
COME ON! What a waste! What is the point of this?
Too bad Edmonds probably won’t be back. The quest to reassemble the 2004 Cardinals is halfway complete. I was surprised they didn’t bring in Rick Ankiel and Jason Marquis somehow…
I’m just waiting for Jocketty to offer spring training invites to Scott Spezio and Matt Morris, sign David Eckstein, and trade Brandon Phillips and Mike Leake for Dan Haren…
Why do people keep saying this?
Who’s on the team that the Cardinals had? Rolen, Renteria…who else?
The Cardinals have way more ex-Reds than the Reds do ex-Cardinals. Might as well sign Jim Bowden as a special advisor to the GM, while you’re at it. LOL
Most of us are going off of Jocketty’s tenure in Cincinatti: Former Cardinals include Jim Edmonds, Miguel Cairo, Jason Isringhausen (who I believe got signed to a minor league deal and never made it to the majors), Scott Rolen, and now Edgar Renteria.
Conversely, I can’t think of any former Reds off the top of my head playing for the Cardinals…
Jason LaRue!… oh wait he retired after his class act former teammates kicked him in the face… hmmm
Feliz!…. oh wait Cards let him walk after they realized most of his professional career was at Cincinnati and that made him worthless.
Dusty Baker!.. oh wait he was a poor Cub who hasnt really done much in his past 10 years in baseball but he was the answer for the Reds.. lets extend him, if thats ok with you Baker..
Baker: “maybe I should hold out to see if the Yanks are interested”
Yankees: “hahahaha”
Reds 2011 record: 60-102
Jason LaRue!… oh wait he retired after his class act former teammates kicked him in the face… hmmm
Feliz!…. oh wait Cards let him walk after they realized most of his professional career was at Cincinnati and that made him worthless.
Dusty Baker!.. oh wait he was a poor Cub who hasnt really done much in his past 10 years in baseball but he was the answer for the Reds.. lets extend him, if thats ok with you Baker..
Baker: “maybe I should hold out to see if the Yanks are interested”
Yankees: “hahahaha”
Reds 2011 record: 60-102
First, learn how to spell Cincinnati before you start and argument…please.
Secondly…Ryan Franklin? Kyle Lohse? Dennys Reyes? Felipe Lopez? Jason LaRue?
These guys played or still play for the Cardinals between last year and this year. You can’t think of any former Reds because you simply aren’t thinking.
yeah but none of those except sort of Franklin are impact players or have been impact players for either team. Who seriously cares if career journey men like Miguel Cairo and Dennys Reyes happened to play for both teams, its not like they matter anyways. Guys like Rolen and Renteria and Edmonds, they were fixtures in St. Louis and pivotal parts of there success. Might not be anymore, but the reasoning still stands.
So based on your theology of this ex-Cardinal vs. ex-Red bullcrap, because they weren’t “impact players” means they don’t count?
Well based on that assumption, the only “impact player” that counts for the Reds last year and wasn’t a journeyman, was Scott Rolen. So again, WHY do you keep mentioning this and WHY do you keep making crap up as you go?
Edmonds played barely 20 games with the Reds last year…lol
You are just…I don’t even have words for it. That’s all I can really say at this point. Not sure why I am even debating with you.
So based on your theology of this ex-Cardinal vs. ex-Red bullcrap, because they weren’t “impact players” means they don’t count?
yeah basically. If they didn’t make an impact, who cares. Why count career journey men? there just spot fillers. The Edmonds part i clearly said he was an impact player in St. Louis though i probably should have mentioned that he wasn’t one in Cincy(thought it was obvious in the context in put it in).
Right, but you keep saying the Reds have more ex-Cardinals than the Cardinals have ex-Reds. That’s not true in any sense, and so far…through all your “proof” and theories on the matter…you have still yet to prove that you are correct.
Just admit that you were wrong on this and move on. There’s no sense in arguing or debating about it, because it’s pointless and you’re not proving anything.
Right, but you keep saying the Reds have more ex-Cardinals than the Cardinals have ex-Reds. That’s not true in any sense
no i don’t. Remember that really long post i had a bit further down(or up however you have your settings). Here is the exact words on how i opened it:
“To say the cardinals have more former reds than vice versa is correct and i am not denying that”
word for word. Copy and paste. no editing. If you didn’t even read the first two sentences of the post than you really have no room to make an argument or retaliation back.
i’d like to see how you put a spin on this one(that is if you comment on this section again)
Ferrariman is right. It’s not really a head count of every player who used to play for the other team. It’s because Edmonds and Rolen were 2/3 of the MV3 trio and Renteria was essentially the MV4 before he left. It also has to do with the fact that these players were all acquired by Walt Jocketty in a relatively short period of time.
If the Cardinals coaxed Andy Pettitte out of retirement, signed Derek Jeter and traded for Jorge Posada, they would be looked at the same way, as a team trying to bring the Yankees to the NL, even though it’s only 3 players.
Edit: All that within 2 years of signing Cashman as their GM…
Again, why’s it matter and why’s it significant? That’s the point.
Last year the Reds didn’t have more ex-Cardinals than the Cardinal had ex-Reds. Simply isn’t true. Ferrariman is twisting his argument every which way he can to try and prove himself right, when it essentially doesn’t even make sense at this point.
First it’s the Reds have more ex-Cardinals, then the journeymen don’t count, then the utilitymen don’t count. Now he’s saying the Reds don’t have more ex-Cardinals.
So again…I will ask…what are any of your Cardinals fans trying to prove with this argument? It’s pointless, redundant, and mundane. Just stop. Thanks.
First it’s the Reds have more ex-Cardinals
never said that. actually, said the opposite. You might have thought i was inferring that because i’m arguing against you but that has never been my stance. ever.
then the journeymen don’t count, then the utilitymen don’t count
thats the same thing. Most utility players are journeymen and you’d have to have a pretty low baseball IQ to not know that.
My point was, that you continually come on here and say, “Another ex-Cardinal signed by the Reds.” That indicates to me, and many others here, that you are saying the Reds are continually signing ex-Cardinals. They are not. They have 3 guys whom were ex-Cardinals on their team this year. Does it matter that Rolen played for the Cardinals? No. He played for the Phillies and Blue Jays too. Does it matter that Renteria played for the Cardinals? No. He played for the Marlins, Braves, Detroit, and San Francisco as well. Does it matter that ANY of them are playing for the Reds and have played for all of those previous teams? No, it doesn’t. It’s insignificant, and THAT is the point I and many others have been trying to make to you during this entire thread as well as many others.
End of story.
You’re really defensive Rob. People can get the idea that Jocketty is reuniting his old world series teams because he’s acquiring players that used to be on those teams. The former Reds players on the Cardinals were never in the world series with the Reds so they’re a little less memorable (sorry).
Now, I love all those former Cardinals mentioned. But I opine that acquiring them now is a mistake. Their hey-days are far in the past.
Btw, if you are going to say my argument is invalid because I spelled Cincinnati wrong, I’m gonna go ahead and say your argument is invalid because you don’t know the meaning of the word “theology”.
Thanks,
Adam
Adam, the world of baseball as we know it would make a complete 180 if it lived or practiced “theology.” Now, I am not saying you’re wrong for creating theories based on players past their prime. However, Scott Rolen is past his prime and has been for a few years now. That didn’t stop him from having a productive year for the Reds. Many said it was a terrible trade, because of Rolen’s age, to Toronto. That “theory” proved to be inaccurate as both pitchers and Encarnacion haven’t exactly lived up to their “theorized” potential.
The theory of ex-Cardinals or ex-Reds is irrelevant to what Jocketty is trying to accomplish. He’s trying to fill positions. Do you think he would’ve filled the position with Renteria if there was a younger, cheaper, more productive SS on the open-market? I highly doubt it. The players within the organization simply aren’t proven or as productive as Renteria, even for this late in his career. Could they be? Absolutely. But right now, The Reds are using Renteria as a stop-gap and nothing more to the equation.
This consistent pointing out or recognition of some of these players being ex-Cardinals, as previously mentioned, is irrelevant in nature.
I’m not saying your argument is irrelevant because of the misspelling of Cincinnati. I am saying your argument is invalid because it is a theory, of which the game of baseball rarely (if at all) operates within.
You’re really defensive Rob. People can get the idea that Jocketty is reuniting his old world series teams because he’s acquiring players that used to be on those teams. The former Reds players on the Cardinals were never in the world series with the Reds so they’re a little less memorable (sorry).
Now, I love all those former Cardinals mentioned. But I opine that acquiring them now is a mistake. Their hey-days are far in the past.
Btw, if you are going to say my argument is invalid because I spelled Cincinnati wrong, I’m gonna go ahead and say your argument is invalid because you don’t know the meaning of the word “theology”.
Thanks,
Adam
It can’t be a Cincinnati Reds offseason without some stupid signing.
Patterson, Taveras, Cabrera, Renteria
I don’t believe Jocketty signed Patterson or Taveras. He did sign Cabrera, which led to the Reds making the playoffs for the first time in 15 years. I’d hardly call that a stupid signing. Say what you want about him but Jocketty knows how to assemble a ball club and organization.
I don’t like this signing but I agree with you Walt knows what he is doing, has proved it over time. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt.
I don’t like this signing but I agree with you Walt knows what he is doing, has proved it over time. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt.
your right, because signing cabrera and his awesome 2010 was the reason the Reds went to the playoffs…
Haters gonna hate/second place/haha Albert’s leaving.
It can’t be a Cincinnati Reds offseason without some stupid signing.
Patterson, Taveras, Cabrera, Renteria
The reds have only three former cardinals on their team, all of which will be bench players. Unless you count Rolen splitting time at third.
Yeah, Rolen will be splitting time with the season he had last year.
Yeah, not sure where you’re getting that Rolen will be splitting time at third…
The reds have only three former cardinals on their team, all of which will be bench players. Unless you count Rolen splitting time at third.
Last season Renteria started off hot and ended scalding hot. Living in mediocrity and the disabled list in between. Best of luck to you next year, Renteria and Cincinnati.
a positive post, WTF is wrong with you. Get a life…
haha another washed up player that will dominate Cubs pitching.. he’ll hit about .500 against them lol
Reds have one of my favorite ex-cardinals(rolen) and one of my least favorite ex-cardinals now.
Will you please give the ex-Cardinal thing a rest?
why, does it offend you or something? I don’t know why people get so emotional to be honest. I’ve been pretty adamant on this and i’l say it again in case you missed it.
To say the cardinals have more former reds than vice versa is correct and i am not denying that. However, the players who they actually have matter. Who cares if the cardinals use to have a career journey man like Reyes/La Rue and the Reds signed a guy like Miguel Cairo who is also a career journey man. They don’t make a major impact anyways. Guys like Rolen, Edmonds, Renteria..they were game changers. They were icons. It makes quite a difference in terms of impact and buzz when someone gets a guy like Rolen as compared to picking up a guy like Cairo or Reyes off the scrap heap.
Also, i haven’t ever “complained” about how the reds sign ex-cardinals. They do, who cares. So does everyone. Thats why there called free agents, they can sign with anyone and use to play for someone else. The other thread, i commented on SOMEONE ELSE’S comment on how the reds “love there ex-cardinals(his exact words) and then responded to a raging reds fan. Lo and behold, more raging reds fans come in swarms. Then they start throwing the “were better HAHAHA and enjoy Second place LOSER” junk as if it is actually relevant to what we were discussing(eh hem, chuck). Thats not to say there aren’t other cardinal fans or whoever who do bash the reds for signing ex-cardinals because there are(you can find a few of them right here on this thread). Quite frankly, does it really matter? i mean, who really cares to be blunt. The reds sign former cardinals because they were good players and maybe they can catch lightening in a bottle, big whoop everyone does those sort of tactics.
So unless you can actually find an actual quote where i was bashing the Reds or exasperating on the Reds signing ex-cardinals and being obnoxious in that manner , shut up already and stop putting me in a frame of light that i haven’t taken part in.
Now chuck is probably gonna read this and say something stupid and try to stir the pot a bit more like usual. Oh well..MLBTR needs an ignore function.
-done
People are tired of it, dude. That’s as simple as it gets.
The Cards are just as guilty, if not more than the Reds, for hiring ex-team players. The Cards did it with Oakland when Jocketty was in St. Louis. What does it matter? The Reds finished first in the division and beat the cards by 5 games. They remained in first place in the division for a good majority of the season ahead of the Cardinals. For hiring “all of these ex-Cards,” Jocketty seems to know what he’s doing.
Just quit with this nonsense of ex-Cards and ex-Reds. You make crap up as you go, and it’s getting annoying having to read the same crap over 20+ posts each Reds thread that’s on MLBTR.
“Just quit with this nonsense of ex-Cards and ex-Reds”
yeah, because i have such a looooooooooooong track record of this. What, 2 threads including this one? Neither of which i started the ex reds/ex cards debate.
“What does it matter?”
exactly. if you read my post, than you would know that is basically my feeling on the matter.
“They remained in first place in the division for a good majority of the season ahead of the Cardinals.”
like i said. not relevant to the topic. I don’t have sour grapes about the reds winning the division, they did it fair and square and they Cards gotta show up next season.
…still waiting on you showing me somewhere i was bragging or whatever about the reds signing ex-cardinals. I’ve probably stated it but never been boisterous about it. Choose what you want to believe, but until you can find something(which you can’t), get off my back.
i can tell your getting kind of mad. Not gonna lie, its kind of funny watching you guys get so flustered over something i’ve already said it doesn’t matter like 4 times. Beating a dead horse gets old, no?
You have been called out by NUMEROUS people on here about this. Why would other people bring it up that you post this nonsense continually from 1 thread about the Reds to another? I guess just for fun? People like to poke around at you? I call malarkey.
I am not flustered about it in any sense. Just sick of you giving an opinion on the matter, thread after thread, that logically, statistically, and historically doesn’t make a bit of sense.
The dead horse was beat a long time ago…BY YOU. Now just stop this silliness, bucko.
lol, your post definitly indicates some flusterness. ok so lets break down this “logically, statistcally, and historically thing”
my logic: Impact players make a difference. Bench warmers do not. Seems logical, no?
my stats: well, i didn’t use any stats. Neither did any of you guys though. Unless you want to count the number of former players each side has but that evades the point i was making originally.
historically: ok so picture yourself 10 years from now in my shoes. Are you really going to remember the terrific and valient efforts of the mighty Dennys Reyes? No, chances are you wouldn’t even remember who he is. What you would remember is growing up watching great iconic figures like Rolen and Edmonds go to a division rival (albeit with mixed results) and how that left sort of a bad taste in your mouth. You can substitute this for a reds perspective and it still works.
alright, we’ve reached the impasse. Good day sir. I agree to disagree and will stop this the right way without personal attacks and bashing like you guys seem to do a lot.
This guy is a class act. Just read his posts.
ex-cardinals? i haven’t heard anything about that. Will you please spend the next year of your pointless existence telling everyone about how the Reds have signed multiple ex-cardinals?
I just think it’s neat…
As a Giants fan all I can say is if that’s not good enough for you here. Hey so long sucker, see ya, bon voyage, arrivederci, later loser, goodbye, good riddance, peace out, let the doorknob hit ya where the good lord split ya, don’t come back around here no more, hasta la vista, kick rocks, and get the hell out.
This is a great signing for the Reds…if it was 2004
If he’s healthy it will be a signing regardless.
Even if he’s not healthy it will be a signing.
Looks like the Reds respect him 3X’s more than the Giants. Get it. 1 X 3 = 3. Lawls..
Yep. the giants are a class organization. /sarcasm
good for the reds.
The Giants really couldn’t afford to pay him more than $1 million. If Renteria can’t deal with that and think that they “owe” him, that’s his problem. He was worth about $6 million over two seasons and got $18 million. Expecting a follow up payday is just arrogant on his part; the Giants didn’t have to make him an offer in the first place.
But when he is healthy he is an MVP ie world series good role model postseason experience and good sign
Reds for World Series. LOL
note to self.
must send Walt Jocketty a thank you card.
signed,
a giants fan.
Why would you thank Jocketty? The Giants weren’t gonna sign him. The post doesn’y make any since.
I like the signing for the Reds. He can back-up SS and 3B. He’s got a ton of experience and past success. People say they want young guys for the bech roles and I understand why. But, there is a reason these guys stick around for years and years as bench players. They don’t need the amount of reps young guys need and they know the league. Say what you want, but Renteria will more than likely be excellent in his role with the Reds next year. As long as the mandate comes down from the front office that Janish is the starter, which it will.
Because we don’t particularly want him. There’s no reason to expect that he’ll be worth taking up a roster spot, when we have to worry about two bench players who are out of minor league options, and a hot hitting prospect who’s gonna need one of those spots sooner or later. Renteria would just be clogging the pipes.
Please remember that he played with a detached muscle in his arm during Oct.
As a Giant fan I loved the clutch HR. I loved the great SS play he made in game 1. I can even kinda agree with him saying that $1 mil. would be good for him to uproot his family and play in SF for 1 yr. ( after Fed/ST taxes he might clear $500K, add in housing cost in SF for him and family and that gets cut down pretty fast).
But, with Tejada as the starter I’d like to see what Fontenot and Burriss can do. Besides we do have a kid, Crawford, who is good on Def. and needs some more seasoning only because of hitting.
Why are you guys are clowning on the Reds for giving him an incentive package that “could” be worth $3M … if you take half a sec to think about it … for him to make $3M he is going to have to “earn” it … IE … stay healthy and produce. If he has a great season … good for him, good for the Reds, $3M well spent. If he has a bad season … he probably gets no more then the $1M the Giants offered him … please explain the down side to this other then your griping at the $18+M someone else decided to pay him the last couple of seasons?
Yeah…somehow an 18 million dollar signing a few years ago by the Giants is relevant to this deal with the Reds..? You’re right, it doesn’t make sense. The people that usually make these comments are blockheads that obviously doesn’t keep up with league-wide statistics and understand salaries/incentives/etc.
The only reason they’re “clowning,” is because they are essentially what they are dishing out….they’re clowns.
Funny comments, at the very least very ignorant.
There are more ex-Giants on the Dodgers and ex-Reds on the Cardinals than ex-Cardinals on the Reds.
Haters will always hate cause their teams are falling (Out of contention) fast.
Actually there are more ex cards on the reds than ex reds on the cardinals.. do your research first and dont just assume buddy.
P.s. fluke last year, id bet Reds dont contend at all this year.
Kyle Lohse, Ryan Franklin, Dennys Reyes, Felipe Lopez, and Jason LaRue — All on the Cards last year, whom are former Reds. You have to be one of the dumbest posters I have seen on this site.
Nobody would know that because nobody follows the Reds. They have been in the cellar of the NL for a long time. They do however seem to have some young talent and things might be turning around for that franchise.
There are millions of people across this country that follow the Reds. Some closer than others. But to indicate that people on this website debating baseball don’t know of players on their team playing for other teams in their careers…well…I hope you’re wrong on that. If not, then those people have no business debating baseball on this website or with anyone that consistently watches and tracks Major League Baseball.
Ya last year.. were talking about this year but thanks for chiming in buddy.. way to read the posts before responding
You’ve made some decently intelligent posts, but the “UR DUMB” comments are not doing much for you, dude. Just stick to debate.
I never said “UR DUMB.” The comment was meant to be sarcastic.
There’s no point in debating with these guys on this issue, because it’s really not an issue. It’s rhetoric that’s repeated over and over again without any sort of logical or historical significance. Nor does it possess actual TRUTH.
I’d love to debate something logical, but I digress.
WOW.. just sign Jim Edmonds and you guys got yourself the 2004 St. Louis Cardinals… job well done Jocketty
Scott Rolen, Edgar Renteria, and Jim Edmonds would be the 2004 St. Louis Cardinals? Man…how’d you guys do it with 3 players? Must’ve been tough!
the same way that signing Jim Bowden to go along with Ryan Franklin and Kyle Lohse would be enough to rename the Cards into the St. Louis Reds i guess.
Still beating that dead horse, I see.
replying to your comment is all. ZIIIIING!
Wow, all the Cardinals have to do is hire Jim Bowden as GM and they can call themselves the St. Louis Reds
ZIIIIIING!
Said the same thing earlier. Apparently, those players on the Cards don’t count because they were “journeymen or non-impact players.” That’s the excuse I got. Apparently Jim Edmonds’s 20 games with the Reds implies he was an impact player.
no..it doesn’t. I already said edmonds was in impact guy in st. louis. If the cardinals signed a guy like…say…erm..(drawing a blank) but if they signed a guy who was a solid mlb player for the reds and a major contributor than i can understand the resentment. Me personally, i could care less that the Reds happen to have a guy like Miguel Cairo or the Cardinals happened to have a guy like Dennys Reyes…who cares.
Still not understanding your point, dude. Have the Reds signed the entire 2004 St. Louis Cardinals or not? Do the Reds have more ex-Cardinals or not? You keep flip-flopping.
nope, points been pretty solid. They haven’t signed the entire 2004 cardinals. They have Rolen and Renteria, two guys who were pretty major figures in st. louis. If you want to do a hand count than the cards have more former reds but if you want to count people who matter and not fillers, than its the other way around. Thats pretty much been my point the whole time. You can interpret it however you want and slice it up to whatever you want it to. People aren’t robots, we don’t all think the same and thats how i see it.
I dare you to go up to any of Kyle Lohse, Ryan Franklin, Dennys Reyes, Felipe Lopez, Miguel Cairo or Jason LaRue and tell them they aren’t solid MLB players, don’t have major contributions to the team, or have no impact. Just because someone didn’t win an MVP or hit .300 doesn’t mean they are completely useless. Honestly, you have kept your point pretty solid. But again, honestly, the whole argument is pointless and just dumb. How many former Cards the Reds have or vice versa is completely irrelevant. I think thats what the Reds fans on here are trying to argue. That it doesn’t matter. This whole argument was brought up by Cards fans who are probably a little angry that the Reds won the division last year. They try to say that “oh well, you only won because your trying to be like us.” Again I will repeat the main focus of my comment: THIS WHOLE ARGUMENT IS DUMB AND IRRELEVANT. SO PLEASE STOP SO THE REST OF READERS ARE NOT COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY ANNOYED.
” I think thats what the Reds fans on here are trying to argue. That it doesn’t matter.”
i’ve said this exact thing about 3 times. Don’t try telling me the Reds fans are trying to be the voice of reason because i have said it doesn’t matter and they still want to continue.
“I dare you to go up to any of Kyle Lohse, Ryan Franklin, Dennys Reyes, Felipe Lopez, Miguel Cairo or Jason LaRue and tell them they aren’t solid MLB players”
you can slice it up however you want to, but looking back no one is going to remember guys like Reyes or Lopez or Cairo. They know there fillers and they have been, its a business and they are employees. Fillers make an “impact” because everyone does but to say that they are looked upon in the same light as a guy like Rolen or Edmonds is foolish. If the cardinals in 2010 lost a guy like Aaron Miles i doubt many people would be panicking because he doesn’t really matter that much as opposed to losing Adam Wainwright.
No Reds fan before you comment about a player being an ex-Cardinal has said a word. Just shut it.
Aaron, he’s not going to give up, because he doesn’t want to. It takes a sad little man to keep flip-flopping and defending his stance (even though he’s wrong). And, I am not the only one that thinks this. Refer back to multiple Reds threads and you’ll see this clown continuing with the same tripe.
so other REDS fans think i’m wrong and are siding with a REDS fan.
Why does a person have to be a Reds fan to disagree with you?
nope, points been pretty solid. They haven’t signed the entire 2004 cardinals. They have Rolen and Renteria, two guys who were pretty major figures in st. louis. If you want to do a hand count than the cards have more former reds but if you want to count people who matter and not fillers, than its the other way around. Thats pretty much been my point the whole time. You can interpret it however you want and slice it up to whatever you want it to. People aren’t robots, we don’t all think the same and thats how i see it.
Still not understanding your point, dude. Have the Reds signed the entire 2004 St. Louis Cardinals or not? Do the Reds have more ex-Cardinals or not? You keep flip-flopping.
I think the only reason Walt signed Edgar is because he has a way of showing up on winning teams and the Reds team is very young with only a few guys who have been there and done that…I also do not think Walt is done this offseason. I think there is a MAJOR trade on the way that will impact the Reds lineup in a huge way…js a gut feeling from my considerably large gut.
yeah i’ve noticed that as well…edgar always seems to be in the right place at the right time.
I would have stayed in San Fran for a third of the money if I was Renteria. I go to Cincy several times a year for work. Last year, I went to 5 games and each time I was able to sit in the first 3 rows and bought the cheapest ticket a could find. That stadium was half empty. If Edger was insulted by our contract offer, then he is really going to be insulted by the lack of fans at his new home stadium.
Exactly. He got to play in the best ballpark and in front of the best fans in all of the game. Unfortunately all that matters to him is the money. He should have retired while he was on top.
SF fans are the best fans? And Pac Bell is the best park? O.K. whatever
Great American isn’t a bad ballpark by any stretch, but AT&T Park is certainly up there among the best places to play.
What time of year did you go? I guarantee you went earlier in the year. Sorry fans have been a little weary on going to games of a team that had 9 consecutive losing seasons. The attendance picked up at the end of the year when the team showed they were for real and i bet the attendance is good this year as well
The last 2 games I went to were in July. I have no clue how attendence was after that , I just know what it was like when I was there. Cincy doesnt really seem like a baseball town but that may change if they have a decent team.
it definitely is a baseball town and the attendance was much better after July. I think being the home of the first pro baseball organization and the Big Red Machine gives Cincinnati plenty of history to be considered a “baseball” town. 9 straight losing seasons can do a lot to fans, but thankfully they finally seem like they are on the right track
Aaron,
In a way I feel sorry for you. You really seem like a die hard fan. Unfortunately, your Cincy neighbors dont feel the same way. Sorry, But I did live in Ohio for 5 years of my life and nobody cared about Reds baseball. You know that Cincinnati is not a baseball town. But I give the up most respect to you and every die hard fan. If you ever make to to SF, please let me know because I will get you great seats.
Thank you. If I ever do make it to SF I will certainly take you up on that offer.
You are crazy to think that Cincinnati is not a baseball town. Always has been, always will be. It’s not about being a die-hard fan. It’s about 9 losing seasons decimating a once potent fan base. It will take MANY winning seasons to get a steady flow of fans into the ballpark again. BUT, that doesn’t mean it’s not a baseball town. People aren’t going to pay to see crappy teams. That’s a different ideology than what’s in San Francisco or other West Coast teams — people don’t show up to support crappy teams here. Don’t take that as me saying San Fran has a crappy team, because I would obviously be stupid for saying that! lol However, they HAVE had crappy teams, and fans still fill the seats. Chicago is the same way. But, just because the Reds don’t, especially when they have crappy teams, doesn’t mean they are not a baseball town.
I suppose this is a football town? Obviously you haven’t seen the worst franchise in all of the NFL play have you? lol
Night or day games? Games in the middle of the day during the week always get low attendance. Some night games too.
However, that doesn’t go without saying that this team had 9 straight losing seasons. It hasn’t decimated the fan base, it’s just decimated the attendance.
You’re comparing a city the size of San Francisco to Cincinnati as far as how much their stadium is filled? San Fran is like 7x the size of the city of Cincinnati. That’s like comparing the size of a pumpkin to a peach.
Edgar played for the Florida Marlins. They have lowest attendance of any ballclub in baseball. If he’s insulted by the “lack of fans” in Cincinnati, he obviously doesn’t know where he came from.
I don’t think it would be a stretch to suggest that Edgar’s been forgetting himself lately. Remember, this is the guy who said that he’d “rather spend time with his family,” than get paid $1 million to play baseball for a living.
He’s made millions and been away from his family a long time…I can’t blame him. I know it’s part of his reasoning for a larger contract, but just sayin’ there are usually 2-sides to every story.
Big time headscratcher, but 2.1M won’t break the bank, and might not be totally awful.
Typical example of “you snooze you lose” the Reds could end up 3rd in NL Central by not improving their pitching. They should have gone after Garza. Renteria is a small back up move. They have Alonzo and Frazier who they could trade for pitching since it doesn’t look like they are in their plans with the additions of Lewis and Renteria.
Do what? What do they need to improve?
They will have a rotation of Arroyo, Volquez, Cueto, Wood, and Leake. That’s a VERY GOOD AND SOLID young rotation (aside from Arroyo). They also have Chapman in the pen who can also start, Cordero as a closer, and plenty of other relief help. They don’t need pitching. They are chock full of it!
Why would they want to trade away their whole farm system like the Brewers or Cubs to obtain ONE PITCHER. The Brewers and Cubs might be trying to win this year, but they’ll be crippling themselves for years to come.
If you think the Cubs will end up above the Reds this year, you are highly mistaken. The Brewers too.
1million is a lack of reapect, but 2MILLION, thats sum big bucksss
why didn’t the brewers sign him. he wasn’t that expensive and they have a glaring need at shortstop.