During the Winter Meetings, Dodgers GM Ned Colletti alluded to a near-trade for a position player that fell through. That player was Daniel Murphy of the Mets and they might make another run at him, a source tells Ken Gurnick of MLB.com.
Colletti addressed the near-trade during the meetings without naming Murphy or the Mets specifically. The GM said he thought the trade might happen until the other club satisfied its need elsewhere. That apparently was a reference to the Mets trading for Giants outfielder Andres Torres.
Murphy, 26, has been plauged by injuries in recent years. The left-handed hitter missed the entire 2010 season with a torn medial collateral ligament in his right knee. In 2011, Murphy hit .320/.362/.448 in 109 games before suffering a torn MCL in his left knee.
I wonder for who?
mlb.com said tony gwynn jr. I would think it would have been a prospect though.
Don’t they already have too many infielders?
you would think… unless they plan on getting rid of Loney and/or Uribe. This could be a precursor to another move, if it happens. Otherwise, we’d have a 6 man infield? lol
Non-tender deadline is near.
true, but knowing Ned, he’d try to get something for Loney. And Uribe would still be paid either way
true, but knowing Ned, he’ll fail to move either.
I say that because the other teams know the dodgers situation and can read between the lines so they’ll force ned’s hand then scavenge the non-tendered carcasses that are the casualties of Ned’s roster management skills.
And that’s not an attempt to mock you.
Loney made himself un-tradable two days ago, or didn’t you hear about that?
I still haven’t heard what exactly caused that, have you? being serious
The toxicology tests aren’t in yet but it sure looks like a DUI and who knows what else. Could easily be a felony in there somewhere based on the accounts. I’ll bet when Ned heard about it he put a foot through a door.
I am sure he wasn’t very high on the priority list at the lab
Beats me. I only know what I read in the newspaper. The timing could hardly have been worse.
you are the proverbial blind leading the blind right now because this story has moved forward. i’ll let you go find the source (it’s in this thread in a comment i posted) yourself since you’re so well informed
I read an article written today.
wrong. you think a lab takes more than a month to come back with blood work, especially if the popo’s want to see it
he was driving a maserati, he apparently side swiped 3 cars, tried to flee the scene and then passed out at the wheel. No blood tests results were ready yet, and he refused to take breathalyzer(in a very ‘potent’ way of telling the cop to screw off) and accused the woman of hitting him. He sounded very intoxicated, based on what Ive read
According to the reports, he apparently passed out and stopped the car in the fast lane, and when someone came over to find out what was wrong he was asleep. Then he woke up and tried to drive away but hit a wall. All of this actually occurred on Nov. 14 but only came to light over the winter meetings.
didn’t hear about him hitting a wall part, but knew he tried to run away when he woke up(to me, it sounded like he passed out more than asleep. I’ve seen the word unconscious used to describe his state when people went up to the car). Also, he had to be restrained at hospital and given a shot the would calm him… James messed up big time. This is either really bad alcoholic road rage, or a drug even more serious.
Yup. The LA Times has a couple of stories on this.
great job jumping into the conversation and spreading incomplete, wrong, and out of date information while accusing others of being not informed about what they’re discussing.
go ahead and click the link and catch up
And you have complete information? Mine came from a very recent LA Times story on the incident. All we’ve had since then is a statement from Loney himself claiming that it was “just an accident.” I hope it’s true. But so far we have nothing from the CHP claifying any of this. The irony is, I’m usually the one around here defending Loney, but I’m not going to do that until I know more about what happened, officially, and also why he didn’t notify the team about it.
I know it wasn’t a shot at me, and I fear you are correct. Especially knowing Ned. But I would think someone would think of trading for him so they don’t have to deal with the FA market… Once he’s there, he could at least have a say in his destiny. Lets say the Royals wanted him(just using them as a random example, not implying anything about their roster), if Loney was a free agent and didn’t want to go to Kansas, they’d have to deal for him. One other thing, it could be used as a way to keep him out of the division. He has always hit well in Az and Col. Not sure if either would have an interest in Loney, but at least the Dodgers would know he’s out of the NL West….. then again, this is James Loney hahaha
he is right. but theres also talk that they might trade hanley ramirez for andre ethier which i dont think is a good call cuz i would rather spend this season raising up gordon and keep the kemp ethier squad in the outfield
Suggering MCL tears sucks
Stop tryin to trade Danny Murphy!!!!!!!!! Mets what are you doing
Murphy really doesn’t have a position, its a nothing trade. He barely can play for the Mets.
lol coming from someone with obviously no knowledge on his bat .. can barely play? fifth in the league in batting before his injury and played a serviceable 2nd
if by servicable you mean they put him at 2nd then yes he played a servicable 2nd. his defense was the equivalent of a parplegic dan uggla. and don’t start throwing stats at me. i watch games.
i agree to a certain point .. if he has to think about the play as it develops he is below average (see left field, slow ground balls) .. but any play where he can’t think because the ball is hit too hard he plays a fine second .. that is why his glove is best at third or first – he handles the instinct plays a lot better than people give him credit for
he does. he actually has soft hands. he’s got a good 1st step but thats about it. i think, if he is given the 3rd base job he’s an above average defender. the only problem is at 2nd its usually a slow grounder or a ball that you need to range more than that one step to get to. neither of which he’s great at….and of course the mental errors kill him
considering he was learning a new position basically on the fly at the major league level i can give him a pass for the occasional mental errors .. and as you should know because u say that you watch the games that his mental errors usually occur when he tries to be too aggressive – can’t hate a player for trying to make a bold play — the real problem is that he has been seriously injured twice while turning double plays which leads me to believe he is out of position when making the turn
Except that his mental errors are not just with the glove, are they? He’s not exactly a genius on the basepaths, is he? (FYI, not trying to sound belligerent here).
I wish him well…but somewhere else.
no. that is a good point. i forgot about that. i do like that his mental errors are that he is to aggressive. i love the kid. he and bay are supposedly the hardest workers on the team. i guess you are right that he could become a second baseman with repetition but as of right now he’s a liability. I’d rather see him at 3rd. I think he can be less of a liability at 2nd over time but I think he could actually be good at 3rd
The only position he can play is DH, with little power and no baseball sense.
He’s actually a good 3rd baseman and serviceable 1st baseman
He will mature over time
I respect your opinion but do not share it. I don’t see the issue as one of maturity (I see a lot of that in him already). We’re talking baseball instincts — and those are not teachable. I don’t see someone like Murphy as the future of the Mets…or at least I hope not. Whether it’s now or down the road, they can do better, and they should.
Sounds like he is a fan favorite in NY, he wasn’t even as good at second as Castillo.
There’s 11 ways to turn a double play and Murphy hasn’t learned one.
Murphy’s UZR this season at 2B was 1.8. Granted, it was a very small sample size with only 168.1 innings played there and UZR can vary from year to year. However, it’s nowhere near Uggla’s -12.2 UZR this season.
Watching games doesn’t make you absolutely informed about every single thing a player does. And while your joke was obvious and you’re more than welcome to ignore statistics, the ‘I watch games’ mantra has been ridiculed multiple times. It’s a very silly argument against statistics when all is said and done.
i know the UZR. yes he’s not as bad as uggla but most of his errors, as scott suggested, are mental. those do not come into statistics. i don’t know how many times I saw him try to turn a double play when he should have went to first and didn’t get anyone out. that doesn’t come through in statistics. i’m not discrediting the use of statisics but his defense is awful. there is no such thing as a one size fits all statisic. he’s got soft hands and he is good at the plays that take one step to either side that require him to knock down the ball but i don’t count on anything other than that. i think the majority of informed people who watch the mets regularly would tell you they would never want murphy at 2nd (of course other than the fact that his offense looks pretty good at 2nd)
Totally with you on this…and I am not going to get sentimental if he goes, considering that his mental errors extend to is offense in the form of baserunning gaffes that have run us out of innings at times. I prefer a more well-rounded player.
I want to keep him around. You have to get on base (or make contact-see David Wright) to run yourself out of innings. If they are truly rebuilding they should get a decent haul from wright. considering wright’s strikeout rate and nonexistant power murphy isn’t much of a downgrade. He’s cheap and controllable.
Your URZ analysis is flawed like you said with a small sample. I think its safe to say that Murphy is a below average defensive player, and an average offensive player and has terrible baseball instincts. There are only a few of the bottom feeders that he would be a starter on.
I think he would start on a lot of teams. There aren’t many teams that have both an elite 3rd baseman and 1st baseman. He doesn’t blow anyone out of the water but He’s hit above .300 for his career. Anything above .280 is considered starter worthy in my book. It’s rare you are going to find teams with both a 3rd baseman and a 3rd baseman who can hit .320
completely agree, why cant the the Mets ever just give Murph a chance at one position his bat is just too good to give up on. Play him at second 130 times next year and he will hit over 300.
.262 hitter in 2010, he hit well last year, small sampling only 2 and a half year in majors. He was below average at 2nd. Really has no position. He’s a one way player, a DH, maybe.
He’s a natural 3rd baseman. He just hasn’t played 3rd in the Mets system because they knew he would have to change positions because of Wright
I would like him for nothing! 🙂
considering their 2 best players are at 3rd and 1st that whole “he can barely play for the mets” comment is ill advised
At the time Daniel Murphy got injured (a dirty slide by Braves over zealous Constanza), he was 3rd in batting average in the NL.
Why do the mets feel a need to trade their top hitter????? Of course other teams would be interested in a guy thats going to hit .300+, hit 15HRs. and he isnt too bad defensively at 2B and 3B. Trade wright or put murphy at 2B, dont trade Murphy!!!!! Only guy last year other than beltran that hit in the clutch.
Terry Collins also said he Murphy is gonna bat leadoff or second so hes obviously expected to be a big part of our offense.
you mean the pagan theory?
Nah.. TC wants speed at the top, but he just lost Pagan. Torres is probably his replacement but his OBP isn’t fantastic. I guess TC wants Murphy for the high OBP, so that Wright doesn’t always strike out to end the first inning. He can strike out another time.
well put. I was just pointing out that Pagan was the leadoff hitter for this year but apparently he wasn’t a big enough part of the offense to stay…
the only trade as a Mets fan I would consider is Murphy for Billingsley, and even then I would want the Dodgers to kick in a MI like Theriot to even make me consider the deal. Give him a full season, a .300 average with a good obp and 15 homers and 35-40 doubles is likely, so I’d just prefer to keep him.
hahaha
You realize it’s been over a year since the Dodgers had Theriot?
my mistake…then a 2nd base prospect…or a pitching prospect
A solid # 2 starter and…
Murphy’s inability to stay healthy greatly reduce the demands the mets can realistically expect for him. He may be talented as all get out, but if you can’t even get on the field you cannot produce and therefore your value is greatly reduce.
Billingsley straight up for Murphy even feels dumb typing.
there’s a difference between a history of injuries and being injury prone. His first injury was on a play that would have injured anyone. It was flukey so really he’s only had one avoidable injury
that doesn’t matter though. The fact is, he had the injury. When you injury a tendon, it is much easier to reinjure it or other tendons in that area than someone who had never had a knee injury
so no one has ever recovered from an injury and had a productive career? that’s just ridiculous. He hasn’t had any reoccurring injuries. You can argue that you don’t know what kind of player he will be because he hasn’t played since his last injury but don’t tell me you can assume that he is injury prone because of his past
wow you made what i said sound 10x more drastic than what I said. I never said he can’t recover. I am saying that when talking trades, GMs look at injury history and possibility that these injuries can effect him in the future. FACT: knees are weaker once they have tendon damage. Did i ever say injury prone? No, i said that he has had TWO tendon injuries, one in each leg, and those tend reoccur. A GM will consider that as part of the risk factor and question how he will perform(and if he can perform for a full season without injury), and that will affect his trade value. What is so hard?
A solid # 2 starter and…
Murphy’s inability to stay healthy greatly reduce the demands the mets can realistically expect for him. He may be talented as all get out, but if you can’t even get on the field you cannot produce and therefore your value is greatly reduce.
Billingsley straight up for Murphy even feels dumb typing.
ask the cards for Theriot
i momentarily forgot that he was a cardinal not a dodger anymore…he’s bound to be non-tendered, i rather have murphy than theriot anyway
the article said they could have been talking about someone like Tony Gywnn Jr, not our #2 pitcher…
daniel murphy for tony gwynn jr. is an absolute joke, and is hugely lopsided in favor of the dodgers. you have a guy in murphy who hit .320 with a .362 obp with the ability to play multiple positions and start. you better believe it that production and versatility is worth a #3 starter (yes, Billingsley is a 3, don’t kid yourself.)
you have to realize what you are trading is a guy who has had surgery on not one, but two knees, by age 26. That is a huge risk factor. A lot of players had the potential to be great, but injuries derailed their careers(hell, different sport, but look at Brandon Roy. He’s going to retire because his knees, and people a few years ago were going to call him the next Kobe).
With Billingsley, first I said our #2, meaning our 2nd best pitcher. Secondly, a guy who has a career ERA of 3.68, averages 194 innings and strikes out about 175 batters a year is a lot closer to a #2 than a #3.
Finally, I got Tony Gywnn Jr from the article itself, not our of thin air
Get your facts straight, Brandon Roy retired because he has no cartlidge in both of his knees. While Daniel Murphy has had two injuries to his knees, he has not had surgery on either knee, because MCL injuries don’t require it unless it is extremely severe.
Billingsley is no more than a #3 starter, which is good, but Murphy would provide an offensive force at his natural position of 3B. His injuries both came at 2B. Gwynn for Murphy is an absolute joke and would never happen because it just makes no sense.
My point with the Brandon Roy connection is injuries can ruin careers. Thats literally all i was saying with that
With Murphy’s injuries, I don’t think you realize how serious these types of tears can be, and that many times it is not a one time injury. Its nothing against Murphy, its simple fact. Knee injuries are hard to prevent, and once one happens you are extremely more prone to another injury in the future.
Once again, I said he is the DODGER’S NUMBER 2 STARTER. With Kuroda gone, Billingsley is #2, behind Kershaw, ahead of Lilly, Harang and Capuano. So my question to you is, what would you consider a #2 to be? And then what is a #3? In my last comment I said Billingsley was closer to a #2 than a #3, implying that in my eyes he’s on the border. What is your standard?
And finally, why do you guys have such a hard time at accepting reality? The Dodgers and Mets were talking about a deal and a name that has been mentioned in the writeup about the talks was Tony Gywnn Jr. The Mets have a filled infield. Davis, Tejeda, Turner and Wright. The OF has Bay, Torres and an open spot. Is it hard to expect them to go after an OF? I don’t see it was being a stretch personally…
Ok but all knee injuries are different. Murphy had no surgery on either knee and was not extremely severe.
What happened to De La Rosa? He did pretty well last year and could fill in the rotation with Kershaw, Lilly, Harang, and Capuano. Billingsley is still no more than a #3 starter with the way he has pitched in the last few years.
The Mets don’t have a filled infield, only Wright and Ike Davis occupy 3B and 1B, they could use upgrades in SS or 2B, it’s the OF that is full with Bay in LF, Torres in CF, and Lucas Duda in RF.
all knee injuries are different. But when those injuries include the tendons, they become very scary when trying to predict how someone will be able to perform in the future.
De La Rosa blew out his elbow and is out for the year with Tommy John surgery.
Billingsley’s FIP for the last 3 years… 3.82, 3.07, 3.83. And you still didn’t answer my question on what you view is the difference between a #2 and #3.
And you are the first person who has said the Met’s outfield is filled. It would seem the Mets have been targeting outfielders(hence the Torres trade, and their apparent interest in Gywnn Jr). With the infield, it seems they will most likely let Tejada and Turner be the SS and 2B, respectively.
the mets are actually pretty high on duda. they may want gwynn as a 4th outfielder because currently they only have pridie and possibly captain kirk
I’d say if anything the outfield is full. I would count on Duda being the opening day right fielder a lot quicker than Turner (or even tejeda)
LOL
i heard ivan dejesus ethan martin 4 murphy-perhaps other players involved-should be done by tuesday at the latest
Put down the crack pipe
I’d happily do that deal (Dodgers fan). But I suspect it’ll take more.
Maybe Withrow and DeJesus, and an outfield prospect like Silverio, Pederson, Songco, Castellanos or Van Slyke (or Gwynn).
they ned to keep murphy and trade wright. he’s not as good but the return for wright+murphy at 3rd is of greater value than wright at 3rd and the return for murphy. not to add the money they save and the fact that (i believe but am not sure) murphy is guaranteed to be in a mets uniform longer….and he doesn’t strikeout on fastballs over the outer 3rd every time
The only player I would trade Murphy for is Matt Kemp and now we cant even do that becaus ehe makes too much money. No seriously though Mets stop trying to trade Murphy. Its a team full of scrubs except for like 5 guys. If your tryin to shake up the team their are so many other guys you can trade
Murphy for Kemp? Now that’s totally hilarious. So why am I not laughing?
Murphy for Kemp you may need a lot of vodka for colleti on that deal, the Mets couldnt afford Kemps extension if they tried and thats if the deal were ever to happen and thats totally Mets lopsided.
Billlingsley is fair he could slide in as a number two behind Santana.
Id like him.3.68 era is good for a number two aswell
Santana
Billingsley
Niese
Gee
Dickey
Im Happy with that thats of course if Santana cann return to some respectible level of form.
Billingsley+Mid Level and Id do it
If anything it would be Murphy + PTBNL for Billingsley
that’s what i’m thinking. billingsley might have slipped off but he was good at one point and is still serviceable. murphy is relatively unproven
No kidding, it’s like reading the MLB.com forums here sometimes (between the spam’s for illegal game video broadcasts, there are some real humdingers in there).
The Mets are gonna want something back in return. Why trade Murphy for nothing when they’re not looking to trade him in the first place?
METS WANNA KEEP WRIGHT UNLESS U WANT 2 DRASTICALLY OVERPAY 4 HIM
ALSO HEARD THAT WE R DISCUSSING LONEY 4 BAY AND 7 MILLION
somehow I doubt that. If they want to get rid of Loney they can just drop him
why would the Mets even want Loney and better yet why would the Dodgers want Bay.Hes a overpaid mess that would go to a team that is already supposdingly strap hung financially.
For a team that likes young team controlled batters, trading Daniel Murphy is sure a stupid thing to do.
They satisfied their need with Torres? So what was the need CF? Who were they planning on getting? Kemp? lol
Tony Gwynn Jr. most likely. Makes most sense when you compare Gwynn to Torres. Gwynn is also controllable, inexpensive, has speed, and can play CF
Actually, I was thinking they satisfied their need for relievers rather than center field.
and I think the added relief pitcher
they need dejesus 4 short 2 replace reyes
Ruben Tejada is Reyes’ replacement at SS.
I’d rather they trade Wright and put Murphy as 3rd cause Wright actually has a chance to bring back a real prospect.
we dont want dejesus but if you want to take Bay well talk
hes gonna have some st competition now if this trade happens-i am speaking with logan white’s son as we speak with inside info-no joke!
I really hope that Bay + 7 million for Loney was real, we could get rid of Bay and then flip Loney for an outfielder or just non tender him and use his money for an outfielder
Now tell me why the Dodgers would want Bay, even with half his salary paid for next season.
If they filled the need by getting Torres and Ramirez, I’d have to guess that one of the players going to NY would have been Gwynn Jr.
gotta love Ned, bringing on all of these worthless second baseman. What is that 4,5,6,7 now?
Funny guy. Murphy has played exactly 24 games at second in his career. If the Dodgers did trade for him, no doubt it would be for FB, the position he’s played in 150 games. Dontcha think? The player to go would be Loney, if they can keep him out of jail. In fact if might very well have been Loney’s wild man routine last week that screwed up the deal.
Thing is, is Loney the trade piece? Mets don’t need another 1B.
Maybe not, but if Murphy is in the Dodgers’ sights then it would almost have to be a three-way deal or they are considering non-tendering Loney and perhaps using Gywnn as a chip. Until two days ago it seemed likely that Loney would get a contract but the way things are going he could start the season on the ineligible list, which makes him worthless in trade.
Id want more the Pagan 2 i mean gwynn junior.
Didn’t know the Dodgers needed a FB… If so, maybe they can bring John Cappaletti out of Rams retirement.
WHO CARES IF IVE NEVER EVER BEEN HERE B4?!-IT HAS NOTHING 2 DO WITH THE FACT I WAS DISCUSSING ALL OF THIS WITH LOGAN WHITE’S SON!-IN FACT I CAN TELL U NOW THAT A MURPHY DEAL WILL DEFINITELY GO THROUGH!-TAKE THAT!-(BAY 4 LONEY IS MORE OF A LONGSHOT BUT IT IS INDEED BEING DISCUSSED)
I’m glad to hear that Logan White’s son is intimately involved in all personnel decisions
Logan White should be fired
Alderson is smart enough to not trade Murphy unless he gets back some good big league talent or prospects, i.e, not TGwynn jr.
Alderson is smart enough to not trade Murphy unless he gets back some good big league talent or prospects, i.e, not TGwynn jr.
I once talked to one of the landscapers who works for McCourt’s landscaping company back here in Boston. I texted Jorge and he told me that they are actually talking about Kemp, Kershaw, and $100 Million for Murphy. But Jorge said McCourt only pays pesos
Alderson’s response to inquiries about him dangling Murphy was that the Mets valued him more highly than other clubs. So, if it was Gwynn being offered, clearly that wasn’t going to do it. Who — north of Gwynn — might the Dodgers offer, knowng the Mets are payroll-strapped and have about $4-$6M left to spend, with several bench spots yet to fill?
Exactly. It’s not like the dodgers have a Rays Type farm system in which they are brimming with top prospects…
Its not like Daniel Murphy is worth top prospects…
True, but a guy that is team controlled for while, hits .320 and has an OPS over .800 could be dangled for high prices with Alderson as the GM in a rebuilding mode.
What do the Mets need? The Dodgers have some real depth in pitching. Nathan Eovaldi would bring real interest, but I hope they hang onto him. The Mets would surely demand a major league ready player.
Short-term needs are startng pitchng depth. In the higher-level of the minors there is precous little corner outfield talent and no one who could step in for Wright should they decide to move him at the deadlne. (Turner would be a stop-gap only.)
Eovaldi would fit that bill. He’s major league ready, or close — but I think he’s potentially too valuable to trade for damaged goods like Murphy. Sounds to me like he’s worth maybe a couple of good utility players.
i’m not sure the mets want major league ready players based on earlier rumors that they were shopping ike and niese
If I had to make a wild guess, Josh Lindblom
$4-6? I saw a number that was more like $25M (that was a video after reyes went to the marlins but before they signed francisco/rauch)
Torres and Ramirez are gonna make as much as Pagan in arb, plus Pelfrey will make $5M, so that[s $10M. Rauch is making $3.5M and Francisco is making $6M. That’s right about $19M out of the $25M.
so was the assumption that, if they signed reyes, they would have let go pagan and pelfrey?
I don’t think they would’ve given contracts to Rauch and Francisco to their extremity.
What about a package? Something like Gwynn (OF) + Eovaldi/Withrow/Gould (RHP) + Ivan DeJesus, Jr. (2B/SS)
why trade young players when you are rebuilding, is their rebuilding goal 2021?
I ALREADY TOLD U!-DEJESUS ETHAN MARTIN 4 MURPHY!!!!!
I like it…Pull the trigger Ned
Tell Logan Whites son that Ned is actually gonna be okay on this one!
Ned… Stop. Just stop. STOP!
I won’t be surprised if Neddy signs Cristian Guzmán.