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Boras Seeks Five Years For Edwin Jackson

By Tim Dierkes | January 3, 2012 at 8:16pm CDT

8:16pm: At the beginning of the offseason, the asking price for Jackson was in the Lackey/Burnett range ($82.5MM), tweets ESPN.com’s Buster Olney.  The Yankees haven’t had talks with Boras about Jackson, tweets Jack Curry of the YES Network. No talks are expected unless his asking price drops.

TUESDAY, 2:53pm: Jackson seeks $15-17MM per year, writes Jon Heyman of CBS Sports.  Boras' promotional book on Jackson compares him to C.J. Wilson, Mark Buehrle, John Lackey, A.J. Burnett, and Derek Lowe.  All of those pitchers received at least $14.5MM per year, averaging $15.6MM.  Of course, Wilson and Buehrle just signed and the other three contracts were regrettable.  The Yankees will continue dialogue with Jackson, writes Heyman.  The process is starting to remind Joe Pawlikowski of River Ave. Blues of the Yankees' signing of Rafael Soriano last year.

MONDAY, 11:21am: Edwin Jackson's asking price is approximately $60MM over five years, writes ESPNNewYork's Wallace Matthews.  The Yankees like the free agent righty, "but not at that price," writes Matthews.  Matthews' colleague Buster Olney tweeted the same, saying that unless the Yankees' budget grows, there's no room for Jackson.

Ultimately I expect Jackson to settle for something closer to four years and $44MM, which wouldn't be an awful price for a 28-year-old innings eater with a touch of upside.

Additionally, Matthews writes that the Cubs' asking price for Matt Garza is "out of the question" for the Yankees.  He says the Cubs want at least two and possibly all three of Yankees top prospects Jesus Montero, Manny Banuelos, and Dellin Betances.  The Red Sox, Blue Jays, Tigers, and Marlins have also been connected to Garza in recent days.

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188 Comments

  1. Taylor Haberle

    13 years ago

    Boras makes me laugh. 

    Reply
    • captainjeter

      13 years ago

      Now  you know why he is the most hated  agent in sports

      Reply
      • harmony55

        13 years ago

        And perhaps the most respected.

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    • cyberboo

      13 years ago

      I know what you mean.  Most people would give Jackson 3 years 30 – 36M tops.  Today, Boras tells everyone that he wants 5 years and 87.5M to sign him.  Translation:  He wants 5 – 75 so it looks like a bargain to someone that is stupid enough to fall for it.  lol. 

      Reply
  2. NYBravosFan10

    13 years ago

    I’m not sure if Edwin Jackson deserves that…

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    • notsureifsrs

      13 years ago

      which means it’s a pretty reasonable proposal for boras actually. normally you’d be very sure that the player didn’t deserve the proposed contract

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      • mainesox

        13 years ago

         What if I said I’m very sure he doesn’t deserve 5/60?

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        • notsureifsrs

          13 years ago

          you’d be right but would still have to agree it’s not a crazy boras proposal, just kind of a standard high asking price

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          • mainesox

            13 years ago

            Yeah, definitely not crazy by Boras’ standards.

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          • Encarnacion's Parrot

            13 years ago

            The AAV out of the 5/60 Boras is looking for, for once, actually is about right where it should be. The term is 2 years more than what a sensible GM would want, but a fair AAV nontheless. 3/36 sounds about right for an innings-eater who’s put up a 7.6 fWAR the last 2 seasons.

            EDIT: Now that he wants that kind of money, Boras is back to his usual self.

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    • Guest 5396

      13 years ago

      you are right…..boras is looking at the contract danks got and if you look at their numbers,they are very similar…..so thats why boras wants someone to pony up…i personally don’t think he is worth it

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      • mainesox

        13 years ago

         Danks wasn’t worth his extension either.

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        • Guest 5395

          13 years ago

          i have been saying that…everytime i do, i get crucified

          Reply
    • Samuel Ennis

      13 years ago

      He definetly does not deserve 12 million over 5 years. I would give him 2 years 15 million dollars. Thats 7.5 million a year, and brings him to 30 years of age.. a logical starting point for a 30 yr old player

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    • Lastings

      13 years ago

      No, he doesn’t deserve a fiver-year deal, but he needs a full no-trade clause. For an effective pitcher he has been the village bicycle of the MLB. Every team has had a ride…

      P.S. Before people start calling me crazy for the full no-trade clause, I was just kidding…alright?

      Reply
  3. Snoochies8

    13 years ago

    hahahaha i mean, an agent can always ask but hahahaha amazing

    Reply
  4. Josh Gedert

    13 years ago

    I want what Boras is on.

    Reply
    • Vmmercan

      13 years ago

      Money?

      Reply
  5. mondaymorninggm

    13 years ago

    12 a year for a number 4 who you cant even use in the postseason? crazy….a reasonably budgetd team with an 80 mil payroll cant give 1/7th of its payroll to a numbr 4 pitcher…

    Reply
  6. bonds2425

    13 years ago

    He’s high as a kite!!

    Reply
  7. RBIBaseball

    13 years ago

    He is not worth five years, an article on fangraphs analyzed Jackson and Danks, and   over the same time period they both produced similar results. I can see where Boras is coming from with the five year deal, since its comparable to the deal Danks got. However, Danks himself wasn’t worth five years so I find it hard to believe that E-jax is deserving of a five year deal. Also, I think Boras knows that he won’t get a five year deal, he’s probably aiming for a four year one.

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    • Guest 5394

      13 years ago

      that is what i have been saying all along….couldn’t have said it better

      Reply
  8. diesel2410

    13 years ago

    HAHAHAHA. I wouldn’t even give Edwin Jackson 3 years over $21 million

    Reply
    • Mikey Roederer

      13 years ago

      I would do that in a heart beat…You are putting Ed Jax on the same scale as Randy Wolf…and thats just crazy talk

      Reply
    • mainesox

      13 years ago

      Saying he’s not worth 3/21 is as ridiculous as saying he is worth 5/60

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      • diesel2410

        13 years ago

        Why? Just because your team overpays for every free agent?

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        • mainesox

          13 years ago

          No, because $7M per year is less than the market would suggest a pitcher of Jackson’s caliber should be able to get.

          Reply
          • Vmmercan

            13 years ago

            You just drove straight over the bridge and didn’t look down. I respect that.

            Reply
            • Jeff 30

              13 years ago

              Rich Harden.

              Reply
              • Vmmercan

                13 years ago

                …Barbara Streisand?

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    • Marky

      13 years ago

      Go to fangraphs and hit “leaders” then click on the pitching tab, and then use 2009-2011. If Jackson sucks so bad why is he on the front page? 

      Oh right because he’s criminally underrated. Look at some numbers next time.

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      • mainesox

        13 years ago

        I agree that Diesel is underrating him, but Jackson gets his value from quantity over quality.  Beckett has been exactly as valuable over that same time period and he did it in 100 fewer innings (and it even includes his horrendous year last year).

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        • melonis_rex

          13 years ago

          Having an ace in the hole is not worth so much if he can’t stay healthy and is constantly yielding starts to replacement level dreck. 

          How did guys like Moyer, Wakefield, Livan Hernandez,  etc. make their careers? By not getting hurt.

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          • mainesox

            13 years ago

             A guy who throws 200+ so-so innings is more valuable than a pitcher who throws 120ish great innings, but he’s not really more valuable than a pitcher who throws 160-180 great innings (200 innings of Jackson was more valuable than 140 innings of Beachy last year, but it wasn’t as valuable as 170 innings of McCarthy).

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            • Marky

              13 years ago

              You are making things complicated here. No one is saying anything about Beckett, and no one thinks Jackson is better than Beckett.

              Can we all agree that 200 innings of 3.50 ERA is worth about $12M a year? Especially considering what guys like Lackey and Zito make? Considering his age, any team can commit that for 4-5 years and not get burned. 

              If anything Jacksons health makes him more valuable than the higher upside guys who are hurt all the time. Any team that gets Jackson for 5/60 won’t be disappointed.

              Roy Oswalt is also on that front fangraphs page for 09-11, really surprised there isnt a more bullish market for him, he’s an tested and true ace through and through. He was hurt a bit last year which means he might only get a 2-3 year deal, but whoever gets him will definitely get value for money.

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              • mainesox

                13 years ago

                I was using Beckett as an example to make my point about Jackson getting his value from quantity of innings rather than quality of innings.  It could have been any pitcher but Beckett was convenient because his value happened to be exactly the same in 100 fewer innings.

                200 innings of 3.50 ERA would be great, but that’s not what you’re getting with Jackson, you’re getting 200 innings of ERA in the high 3s to 4s.  And comparing him to guys who are clear overpays (and were supposed to be a lot better than Jackson when they signed their deals) isn’t helpful at all.

                I would love Oswalt, but he would be one of those guys I was talking about who would give you a lot better pitching but fewer innings (he has back related problems so expecting 200 innings next year would be foolhardy).

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        • Vmmercan

          13 years ago

          He also gets 16 per, just sayin’.

          Reply
          • mainesox

            13 years ago

            True, but that just started this year; prior to this year he was getting 10 per.  Also he has ace potential, which Jackson doesn’t, and given expected production from him (2010 wasn’t expected production) he would be considerably more valuable than Jackson even given that he isn’t likely to throw as many innings.

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    • JacksTigers

      13 years ago

      If you were a GM, Brent Clevlen would be you clean up hitter.

      Reply
  9. SethHood422

    13 years ago

    I for one want to be like Boras! Who wouldn’t wanna sit behind a desk all day and demand ludicrous amounts of money for an unproven 3 or 4 starter on a good club???? And get paid for it too!!! Sign me up!

    Reply
    • popular_mechanics_for_pitchers

      13 years ago

      “unproven” is  wrong

      he’s been a  capable major league pitcher for the last four years and been in trades that included Matt Joyce and Colby Rasmus.
       

      Reply
    • popular_mechanics_for_pitchers

      13 years ago

      but yeah….sweet job haha
       

      Reply
    • Vmmercan

      13 years ago

      The dude built a corporation and has binders the size of the bible for every single client he has. You can rip on Boras all you want, but implying he is “lazy” is an injustice.

      Reply
  10. setupunchtag

    13 years ago

    Before this, I thought the general consensus was that E-Jax would get three years, not four, and definitely not five. I think Boras is calling for 5 years so that teams will be more likely bump it up from 3 to 4.

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  11. snowbladerp14

    13 years ago

    if you ask 5 you get 4. you ask 4 you get 3 its just how things work. Boras should as an agent ask for 5

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  12. john12121212

    13 years ago

    OMG more verbal diarreha from Borass.  He makes me sick!

    Reply
  13. ObamaDinoKiller

    13 years ago

    i get the strategy of asking for more years than you know you will get but…does it need to be said any further? e jax is not worth this type of contract. we all know it, his agent knows it, but some team will come along and give in 21/3 yrs or more because the spending in baseball these days is out of control. in an ideal world, a guy like jackson gets one year deals each year because he hasn’t really proven himself valuable (and i mean in terms of ability, not these crazy new stats). so don’t hate the player, hate the team that furthers the spending spree and sets up even worse pitchers for crazy contracts in the near future

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    • cards2WS

      13 years ago

      21/3 is likely what he gets. 7 mil a year is what it takes to buy a 3 or 4 starter these days.

      Reply
  14. rockfordone

    13 years ago

    I wonder why he hasn’t signed-I saw him with the W. Sox last year -Not good -walks drive you crazy – 3yrs max.

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  15. dano62

    13 years ago

    Sad thing is he’ll probably get something close; Feilder really proved his commtment to being a great player/great contract by shedding tonnes of pounds and doing all that post-season press on how he’s a great leader (it was the invisible tour in case you missed it)… Guy will lard it over to be the next Bob Horner on the 4th year of his next deal. E-Jax is the best remaining pitcher out there and worth 3×38 tops. If Seattle signs him consider Fiddler a lock with the dumb Nats. After their Werthless dabbling with Boras last year, they need ther head examined to go back for 2nds.

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  16. pmbmi

    13 years ago

    3 for 27 is probably reasonable.  Some days he’ll look great, others he’s a bit of a mess… At the end of the year, you can expect 12 wins, 200 IP, and a 4.50 era… not great, but a valuable #4.

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    • gmantacoma

      13 years ago

      12 wins, 200IP, 4.50ERA, #4 pitcher = 27MIL/3YRS NO WAY!!!

      Reply
  17. Marky

    13 years ago

    For once I agree with Boras. 

    Since 2009:
    John Danks: 583 IP, 10.4 WAR = 5/65M for age 27-31 seasons
    Mark Buehrle: 629 IP, 10.6 WAR = 4/58M deal for age 33-36 seasons.
    Edwin Jackson: 623 IP, 11.2 WAR = Is 28 in 2012. 

    Jackson is definitely has better numbers than Buehrle, Danks has the higher ceiling but also hasn’t produced like Jackson has over the last 3 years. Danks is a year younger with a higher ceiling so yeah he deserves a bigger deal, but Jackson deserves a 5 year deal for being traded like 50 times before his 28th birthday. 11.2 WAR over the last 3 years makes him a top 20 pitcher overall in that time frame. Its so odd how underrated he is. 

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    • grownice

      13 years ago

       Using just war alone to evaluate a player?

      Reply
      • Marky

        13 years ago

        Its better than just saying “LOL HE SUX CUZ I SAY SO, HE DESERVES 1/3M”

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        • mikhelb

          13 years ago

          Uhm, nope it is not LOL.

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    • soxfan123123

      13 years ago

      EJax is inconsistent he is lights out one day and then vin mazzaro the next day ( bit of over exagerration).

      Reply
    • Khabibulan

      13 years ago

      Is there some kind of volatility stat that shows how consistent or inconsistent a pitcher is from start to start? I think that would show why E Jax is such a pain.

      Reply
  18. BondstheGOAT

    13 years ago

    Regardless of how inconsistent and how bad the walks can be I’d love the Pirates to get him even at 4/40 and maybe an option year if that’s what it’d take.

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  19. Lefty

    13 years ago

    4 @ 44 isn’t that bad, I am not so sure if Boras would settle for that though, unless he had to and he might have to. The Other thing is E Jack needs a good pitching coach, Dave Duncan is the guy, but I can’t see the Cardinal coughing that up. Maybe 4 yrs @ 40 million. That’s the most I would do and it wouldn’t  be my Orioles coughing that up because A.) they won’t Angelos is a cheapskate!, Plus they would ask more from the O’s. 2.) I don’t think the O’s pitching coach Adair is the guy for E Jack!

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  20. llasasso93

    13 years ago

    Boras is high if he thinks someone is gonna give Jackson a 5 year deal

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    • monroe_says

      13 years ago

      Sadly, it is the owners who are high,not Boras. It just takes one glassy-eyed billionaire intoxicated by the silver-tongued siren call of a Scott Boras power presentation to screw up the whole market for everyone.

      Reply
  21. Tired_OF_FakeRumors

    13 years ago

    When boras is going to compare edwin jackson with Nolan Ryan????

    Reply
    • rundmc1981

      13 years ago

      When a GM will believe it. He wouldn’t be asking for 5 years if he knows he can’t get it. Just how desperate are some teams?

      Reply
  22. JacksTigers

    13 years ago

    I think Boras knows that Jackson won’t get five years, but this is how negotiations work. He asks for something crazy and then they find a happy medium. You may not like the guy, but you cannot aruge the fact that he is by far the best at what he does.

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    • mikhelb

      13 years ago

      It is called “door in the face” tactic LOL.

      Reply
  23. Dynasty22

    13 years ago

    Can’t doubt Boras, he usually gets what he wants or even better.

    Reply
  24. n0s

    13 years ago

    Epstein and Hoyer are smoking some really good stuff.  Garza’s high 3 ERAs in the AL East don’t make him worth one top 30 prospect, let alone three.

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    • Yankees420

      13 years ago

      I’d be okay with Cashman giving up Betances plus some other lower ranked guys for 2 years of Garza.  

      Reply
    • mikhelb

      13 years ago

      I get the impression that they just want to keep the rest of the teams away once they heard what they asked the NYY for. That way they an finish up their trade talks with a team they feel comfortable with, preferrable a team they already know their minor leagues firsthand… 😉

      Reply
  25. FS54 2

    13 years ago

    There needs to be some rules against agents doing drugs also.

    Reply
  26. dudemanbro

    13 years ago

    and i want to go on a date with olivia wilde

    Reply
  27. Topher Jay

    13 years ago

    wow, totally unexpected, the yankees are being picky when it comes to getting players for cheap… they have the money, why not just pay what everyone’s asking? it’s not like they don’t do that all the time anyway. but I’ll be glad if none of these players that the yankees want goes there, If I was a player wanted by the yankees they’d have to pay BIG BUCKS to get me where any normal team would not have to. I’m not sure what kind of deal Jackson is going to get wherever he goes but if 5/60M is too much for any normal teams, then it’s a reasonable price for the yankees, but if it’s a good price for him for any normal team then the yankee’s price for him should be more… not just him but any player should ask for more when the yankees are trying to get them. I wouldn’t want to play for the yankees but I know they have the big bucks so if I were to go to them because they really want me then I’d have to ask them for bigger buck than any other team would want to spend on me, that’s all I’m saying.

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    • Guest 5388

      13 years ago

      i hear rich harden is available……

      Reply
    • Vmmercan

      13 years ago

      You should try saying the same exact thing in 14 different ways instead of four or five next time. We get it, you hate the night life, major cities, excellent suburbs, superior public and private education for your kids, all four seasons and millions more in endorsements than you would get anywhere else. It’s totally understandable.

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    • mikhelb

      13 years ago

      “If I was a player wanted by the yankees they’d have to pay BIG BUCKS to get me where any normal team would not have to.”

      That’s what has happened in recent years, and that’s how a lot of players have ended up with smaller contracts, just check the CJ Wilson demands, and he ended up receiving 30 or so less millions.

      Reply
  28. Eric 20

    13 years ago

    I would have no problem giving Edwin Jackson a deal worth 3YR/33M, but 5 years at 12M a year is a high asking price. Saying that Jackson is a #4 starter isn’t accurate. He has the ability to throw over 200 innings with an ERA between 3.50 and 4.00, and he offers a plus fastball averaging about 95MPH. He is at worst a #3 starter, with some upside.

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    • grownice

      13 years ago

       I think you mean at best as a #3 starter.

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  29. jfretless

    13 years ago

    I heard Boras is calling the proposal, “The Jackson Five”.  Four years guaranteed, the fifth is a club option.  He calls the fifth year, “The Tito.”

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    • Guest 5392

      13 years ago

      where is tito these days????

      Reply
      • Onetimeaccount

        13 years ago

        I believe working for ESPN.

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        • Guest 5387

          13 years ago

          nice…

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  30. yabud

    13 years ago

    Haha, 5 years, Boras is awesome. 

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  31. LaffitesLanding

    13 years ago

    No offense to all the other posters but how is Edwin Jackson that much different in value to Mark Buehrle? Except that he’s younger, strikes out more batters and has had xFIP’s below 4 for the past two years while Buehrle has been over 4. Buehrle got 4 for 58 total I think. How does Jackson not deserve 5 for 60? 

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    • BoSoxSam

      13 years ago

      The point is more that Buehrle got grossly overpaid, not that Jackson is worse than him.

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  32. slider32

    13 years ago

    Garza is worth 2Bs and 1C prospect. Betances, Phelps, and Laird.

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    • jammin502

      13 years ago

      Garza is worth exactly what he is worth depending on the side of the equation you are on.  The Cubs are willing to hang onto him, so they are setting the bar high.  He is available at the Cub’s price … no less.  If you think he is worth 2Bs and 1C then you are probably not getting him.

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      • slider32

        13 years ago

        Actually after reading the Fangraphs article I realized that Garza is only worth Betances. So it looks like the Yanks are out.

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  33. Lunchbox45

    13 years ago

    if danks got 5 years, why wouldn’t E Jacks get 5 years? 

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    • mainesox

      13 years ago

       I’d give Jackson 5 years before I would have given Danks 5 years, and I’m no fan of giving Jackson 5 years.

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      • Lunchbox45

        13 years ago

        exactly.. the markets set..

        I’m surprised boras didn’t say, well danks got 5 years, jackson should atleast get 6 or 7 .

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        • mainesox

          13 years ago

          5 years was somewhat reasonable by Boras standards, but one pitcher getting more than he should have isn’t really going to set the market, and that pitcher wasn’t even a free agent, he was already under team control for two of those years regardless of what the White Sox did.

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          • Lunchbox45

            13 years ago

            I don’t think danks was overpaid and I’m pretty sure he was going to be an FA after this year.

            This is pretty much the current market for jackson. 4-5 years.. now how much per is a completely different issue.

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  34. the_insomniac

    13 years ago

    I really hope all the GM’s just wait out Boras and his clients until their prices come down. Boras just comes across as greedy and he needs to be put in his place. What better time to do so then when the Yankees and Red Sox are hibernating?

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    • TimotheusATL

      13 years ago

      put in his place? really?

      you act as if boras has any fiduciary responsibility to anyone other than his clients.

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    • harmony55

      13 years ago

      I don’t doubt that GMs “will wait out Boras and his clients until their prices come down” just as Boras and his clients will wait out the GMs until their prices go up.

      One team will meet each Scott Boras client in the middle (with rare exception).

      Reply
  35. Gumby65

    13 years ago

    Five year stop-gap? Good.

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  36. AnewBlueDay

    13 years ago

    5 years for Jackson.  How can that be!!!

    So far he has 9 seasons in the majors.  3 with Tampa Bay, 3 with the Dodgers, 2 with the White Sox, 1 with the D-Backs, 1 with the Cardinals, and 1 with the Tigers.  And some of those years are shared with two teams.  

    His record is 60-60 with a 4.48 ERA.  With 801 Ks in 1079 innings.  And 439 walks.

    He would not know how to stay with one team for 5 seasons, and probably no team would want him for 5 straight years.

    Heck, after he had his high of 14 games for Tampa Bay, they traded him to Detroit.  Then in Detroit he won 13 games and they traded him to Toronto, who shipped him on to . . . .  

    Face it Edwin Jackson is built to travel . . . from team to team.

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    • Lunchbox45

      13 years ago

      taking stats from 5+ years ago and considering them valid?

      Really?

      why don’t we use stats that are important, like the last 2 years

      Reply
  37. IndianaBob

    13 years ago

    Maybe one of the B’s and one of Gary Sanchez/Romine for Garza in the current market for starters.

    Reply
    • slider32

      13 years ago

      Read what Fangraphs says he’s worth, one top 50 prospect. So no deal!

      Reply
  38. rundmc1981

    13 years ago

    AJ Burnett 2.0…please let the Yankees pay it.

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    • Caballo14

      13 years ago

      Say what you wanna say about AJ, but at least he was a big contributer to the Yankees 2009 World Series team.

      Reply
      • Phillies_Aces35

        13 years ago

        He was hit or miss in that post season. In the World Series he pitched one of the most dominant games I’ve seen against the Phillies… 4 days later he was horrible.

        They probably could’ve won without him.

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  39. rundmc1981

    13 years ago

    Boras is just trying to boost Jurrjens’ value – also a Boras client – at the expense of Edwin Jackson. Thanks for helping out the Braves, Scott.

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  40. Nicknamed_Tanner

    13 years ago

    Dear Mr Boras,

    Could you please put the bong down.

    Thanks You

    Reply
  41. rizdak

    13 years ago

    I want Boras to represent me in my next employee review. I’d be satisified with a meager 5 / 0.75.

    Reply
  42. rundmc1981

    13 years ago

    It’s funny in “the Boras promo book” he references 5 comp pitcher deals, 2 of which were just signed (CJ Wilson, Mark Buerhle), and the other 3 turned out to be HORRIBLE deals: Derek Lowe, John Lackey, AJ Burnett. Why any self-respecting agent would think that they have a better shot at their client getting signed by attaching their player to such names as Lackey, Lowe, and Burnett is absolutely beyond. 

    I understand they might have comparables at their signing time, but Scott…they all turned out terrible. Lackey I could have seen having the best chance of coming out good, but not the AL East. 

    Reply
  43. Mike

    13 years ago

    Matt Garza > Edwin Jackson

    Reply
    • Caballo14

      13 years ago

      Edwin Jackson plus keeping your best prospects > Matt Garza

      Reply
      • Mike

        13 years ago

        Signing Jackson puts the Yankees over the luxury tax for the forseeable future.  Trading unproven players for an AL East-tested Garza is the better way to go.  Jackson, while with Tampa had a career ERA over 5.00 in the AL East.  Best of luck with that.

        Reply
        • Jon Melton

          13 years ago

          I agree Jackson to much wild card to return to AL East with that track record,  but as much as we overvalue pitching we do same thing with prospects.  

          Reply
  44. JerisG24

    13 years ago

    “Seeking approximately 5 years for 60M” (12M a year or so).

    “Seeking approximately 15 to 17M per year” 

    What did Edwin Jackson do over a 26 hour span, that Boras thinks he can just bump up his seeking price up an extra 3-5M per year? 

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  45. Lefty

    13 years ago

    TUESDAY, 2:53pm: Jackson seeks $15-17MM per year, writes Jon Heyman of CBS Sports.  Boras’ promotional book on Jackson compares him to C.J. Wilson, Mark Buehrle, John Lackey, A.J. Burnett, and Derek Lowe.

    John Lackey… oh there’s a winner
    CJ Wilson……. while he was the Rangers #1, he’s really a #3
    Buehrle………. is old and a .500 pitcher
    A.J. Burnett…. Hahaha, no comment

    Scott Boras did you meet with Peter Angelos and tell him of your demands?
    Are you buying a house and you need a down payment right away?
    As a side note I am glad you’re not  Real Estate Agent!

    Yeah, I could see the Orioles coughing up 16 million for Action Jackson, he would put them right in the middle of the pennant race.

    If you get 16 million for E Jack, what can you get for Jake Arrieta? I think Jake is Jackson’s equal.

    Reply
  46. Caballo14

    13 years ago

    I would for the Yankees to get him on a 2/25 mil, then trading Burnett to another team for salary relief, but nowhere near the price that Boras wants for him

    Reply
  47. Dennis

    13 years ago

     Boras is on drugs.

    Reply
    • Jon Melton

      13 years ago

      He does his job very well. He compares his client to absolute best case comparison,  GM’s use worst case and they meet somewhere in the middle. Usually closer to Boras example.  

      Reply
      • harmony55

        13 years ago

        Well stated, Jo Mel.

        Reply
  48. Patrick the Pragmatist

    13 years ago

    Wow,   If your team has pitching you are fortunate.  Jackson won’t get the five years, but to get someone with a track record who is not coming off of a injury or big time fall off has always been costly and it will only increase.

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  49. cards2WS

    13 years ago

    Holy cow! This guy has a career 4.46 era. He’s a 10 mil max player and Boras is freakin nuts for even saying that. I realize he’s just starting at the very best so that teams offers will go up, but saying that is just making himself look like a fool.

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  50. CommissionerBart

    13 years ago

    Boras’s valuation of Jackson is INSANE.  *Five* years at *$15-17* million per year.

    Professional negotiators in most fields will tell you that making an absurd demand does not result in a compromise closer to that figure than proposing a more reasonable iniitial position.  Crediblity is lost.  Boras’s actions narrow the field of teams that will want to deal with him–admittedly to the richest teams he is targeting anyway. But I suspect he is leaving his clients disappointed when they don’t wind up in the salary neighborhood he first pitched (to them and to the clubs.)  You can’t stay in business forever if the circle of teams willing to deal with you grows ever smaller AND your clients wind up disappointed despite achieving riches beyond the dreams of their youth. It will all catch up with him eventually. 

    Reply
    • harmony55

      13 years ago

      Most agents advise a client that the client is unlikely to end up with the first salary the agent pitches to clubs. It’s the nature of market. The agent starts the bidding high and the teams start the bidding low … the bidding continues until one team and the player reach an agreement.

      It’s not rocket science (although player valuation has become increasingly quantitative in recent years).

      Reply
  51. Leonard Washington

    13 years ago

    17M!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Are you serious Boras???? 17M a season!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!Your insane!!!!!!!!

    Reply
    • harmony55

      13 years ago

      Would it be insane for a team to offer Edwin Jackson $8 million a season for three years if comparable pitchers earned more in free agency?

      My guess is that the agent starts the bidding high and the team starts the bidding low … and the parties work from there.

      Reply
  52. BillB325

    13 years ago

    I feel as if Theo is just asking alot from the Yankees to throw everyone off, I see the Tigers getting him for a deal with Turner, Oliver, and Smyly.

    Reply
  53. Leonard Washington

    13 years ago

    And seriously what is the main thing all his comparables in the promo book have in common? THEY ARE ALL OVERPAID!! Here Mr. GM Jackson is an excellent pitcher just check out my promo booklet. This is a list of a bunch of over paid players who are the best comparables to Edwin, would you like to pay him 15M a year? Pleaaaaaaaase!

    Reply
    • harmony55

      13 years ago

      And the GM will respond with comps for pitchers who earn less money.

      It’s the nature of negotiations.

      Reply
  54. llasasso93

    13 years ago

    How could you compare Edwin Jackson to Buehrle? hahahaa Boras is funny

    Reply
  55. Colin Christopher

    13 years ago

    I would tell Boras, “You know, you’re right. He IS of similar value to those guys…so let’s break down exactly how much Lackey, Burnett, and Lowe have been to their teams for the last 2-3 years, and then we can be absolutely sure how much Jackson is worth.”

    Reply
  56. tom5467

    13 years ago

    Anyone who signs Jackson at that price is going to have another Burnett/Lackey contract.

    Reply
  57. baseballx06

    13 years ago

    Baseball is getting ridiculous. They need some kind of salary cap. The thought of a pitcher like Edwin Jackson getting 17 million a year is disgusting. His career stats arent even that good. The best season of his career was him going 13-9 with an era about 3.6. Not a superstar season and that was his best… waste of money.

    Reply
  58. optionn

    13 years ago

    Yankee’s will overpay this guy just like Soriano would be my prediction.  They desperately need some starting pitching and he is the best on the market.

    Reply
    • Mikenmn

      13 years ago

      I think that’s less probable.  The Yankees have figured out by now that unless you pay for the absolute cream of the crop-pitchers who consistently perform at a high level, overpaying for a free agent pitcher is very likely not to work.  Maybe it’s New York, maybe it’s having to pitch so many times against teams like the Red Sox, Rays and Toronto, and maybe it’s bad luck.  Jackson reminds me of Burnett and Wright.  Might be a good fit, but probably not.

      Reply
    • Mikenmn

      13 years ago

      I think that’s less probable.  The Yankees have figured out by now that unless you pay for the absolute cream of the crop-pitchers who consistently perform at a high level, overpaying for a free agent pitcher is very likely not to work.  Maybe it’s New York, maybe it’s having to pitch so many times against teams like the Red Sox, Rays and Toronto, and maybe it’s bad luck.  Jackson reminds me of Burnett and Wright.  Might be a good fit, but probably not.

      Reply
    • slider32

      13 years ago

      No way, the Yanks have what they need right now to win the East. They should keep their good young pitchers.  Jackson is a .500 career pitcher.

      Reply
      • patrick

        13 years ago

        thats the beauty of jackson…he wont cost them any of their ‘good young pitchers’

        Reply
  59. thegrayrace

    13 years ago

    Not sure you want to be advertising Lackey and Lowe as comparables there, Scott.

    Reply
  60. northsfbay

    13 years ago

    Just say no to Boras and say yes to medical Marijuana on the West Coast and life is good.

    Reply
  61. Jeff Meneau

    13 years ago

    What does the 70 page binder say he’s worth?  The funny thing is, some stupid GM will pay it.

    Reply
  62. slider32

    13 years ago

    The best move by the Yanks would be to sign Oswalt for one year. He’s a proven winner, and will bridge the gap to their young pitchers.

    Reply
  63. Aaron Haker

    13 years ago

    Boras is absolutely losing his mind. His ridiculous demands are starting to screw over his clients big time, his ego is getting the better of him…

    Reply
    • harmony55

      13 years ago

      It must be the first week of January if fans are claiming that Scott Boras is short-changing his clients with exorbitant demands.

      By the end of February, Boras and most of his clients will have fared well in the free agent market.

      Reply
  64. Willjhull

    13 years ago

    Love Scott boras butt if EJ gets 3 years 33 mil that’s a big big win. The guy has been passed around like well you get the idea. Throws hard and straight. The batting cage down the street does the same thing.

    Reply
  65. R.D.

    13 years ago

    Ross wanted 3 years 30 mill right? Now he’s down to 2 years 10 mill or something? Same deal, I see Jax getting 3/30 at MOST. Pitching is pretty plentiful and the basic gist I’m seeing is most teams aren’t looking to take chances this offseason.

    I get this feeling the Mets are gonna sign this kid and I’m not sure why.

    Reply
    • patrick

      13 years ago

      in what world is pitching plentiful this offseason?

      Reply
  66. MNTwins12

    13 years ago

    I think the Yankees will end up signing Jackson, when he realizes that no team in their right mind will pay that much for him. But then again, his agent is Scott Boras, so it is very possible that a team will massively overpay for Jackson. I would say
    10-12 million a year is what he ultimately ends up with, or at least should.

    Reply
  67. snapcase8p

    13 years ago

    Wow! EJax and I have two things in common. We both want 5 year contracts and neither one of us is going to get one!

    Reply
  68. Lance Massie

    13 years ago

    Jackson’s career whip is 1.476.  3 years 30mil tops.

    Reply
  69. Joe N

    13 years ago

    I believe Jackson will get paid, and by my own projection he’s worth upwards of 60 million. Wrote and article about him at selfhatinghipster.com

    Reply
  70. gmantacoma

    13 years ago

    5YRS   DREAM ON!

    Reply
  71. Lanidrac

    13 years ago

    Dream on, Jackson.  Only aces get paid like that.  You’re good, and you made a big difference to the Cardinals’ mid-season rotation, but you’re at best a low #2 starter, more likely a #3.  Sometimes guys like Lackey will be stupidly vastly overpaid, but that’s very unlikely at this point in this market.

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