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Ryan Madson Out For Season

By Zachary Links | March 24, 2012 at 1:15pm CDT

The elbow injury to Reds closer Ryan Madson will require Tommy John surgery, ending the right-hander's season, according to John Fay of the Cincinnati Enquirer (via Twitter).  The Reds do not have insurance on Madson's one-year, $8.5MM contract, Fay tweets.

The market didn't go Madson's way this winter and the Scott Boras client wound up settling for considerably less than most anticipated.  The injury will not only cost the closer his 2012 season, but likely major cash on his next contract.  At one point, it seemed as though Madson and the Phillies were closing in on a four-year, $44MM pact, but that never came to fruition. 

Aroldis Chapman and Sean Marshall are both candidates to close now, tweets Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com.

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145 Comments

  1. Runtime

    13 years ago

    Well… that’s unfortunate. That 1 year contract sure looks awesome now…

    Reply
    • rfffr

      13 years ago

      Only by length. The money is unfortunate

      Reply
      • Jay

        13 years ago

         yeah that money still hurts the Reds.  8.5 million down the drain.  I don’t get why they didn’t get insurance on the guy.  That hurts chances of signing Phillips or Votto.  Ug!!

        Reply
  2. soxxxxx

    13 years ago

    but the reds are all in….

    Reply
  3. nm344

    13 years ago

    Damn, that sucks.  Reds fans won’t even get a chance to see him pitch.

    Reply
  4. bonds2425

    13 years ago

    Sucks for the reds

    Reply
  5. Timothy J. Franklin Williams

    13 years ago

    I thought people were nuts for being so high on him. Poor Reds though. Wonder if this effects Chapmans future.

    Reply
  6. JacksTigers

    13 years ago

    Wow. I thought that he was the best move of the offseason. Now who closes for the Reds?

    Reply
    • TophersReds

      13 years ago

      Sean Marshall.

      Reply
  7. Kamran

    13 years ago

    Who’s the closer now?

    Reply
    • fitz

      13 years ago

      Marshall most likely.

      Reply
  8. RhapsodyinBlue

    13 years ago

    So much for the deal of the offseason.  

    Reply
  9. Rytea

    13 years ago

    Yikes, that’s not good for the Reds. So who’s up for the closer spot now, Chapman?

    Reply
  10. Ethanator99

    13 years ago

    COME. ON. This is like a really bad dream

    Reply
  11. andres8m

    13 years ago

    The Sox were really lucky not to sign him.

    Reply
  12. brandondc

    13 years ago

    You have got to be kidding me. We finally get rid of Coco and this happens…

    Reply
    • Encarnacion's Parrot

      13 years ago

      Jays give you CoCo back for Votto. 🙂

      Reply
  13. Spencer VonHershman

    13 years ago

    So many people who have done their fantasy drafts already must be pissed.

    Reply
    • Cobby Box

      13 years ago

      I drafted Carpenter, Soria, and Madson. Bangin’ on all cylinders.

      Reply
  14. Ethanator99

    13 years ago

    Marshall will close, Chapman will probably move to the Pen, and The Reds will in total have wasted 39 million on those 2.

    Reds’ country mourns.

    Reply
    • Jay

      13 years ago

       Even with the loss of Madson which hurts a ton… sigh…  I hope they keep Chapman on track to start be it the majors or minors to start the season.  The Reds have a pretty decent bullpen still even without Madison.  Before it was a great bullpen now its just pretty good.

      Reply
  15. dan

    13 years ago

    Wow, that is really unfortunate for the Red’s. Might as well have just lit that money on fire. 

    Reply
  16. inleylandwetrust

    13 years ago

    Being happy someone is hurt is a little strange…

    Reply
    • nbcards

      13 years ago

      just like gomes last year celebrating wainos injury

      Reply
      • TophersReds

        13 years ago

        That was pure specualtion and it never happened. Show me some legitiment proof that it happened and I’ll consider it, but until then..

        Reply
        • nbcards

          13 years ago

          “McCoy, however, is not retracting the fact that he heard Gomes singing
          about the unfortunate Wainwright news. He heard it. Others in the
          clubhouse heard it too, including John Fay of the Cincinnati Enquirer.”

          there you go. 2 reporters who were in the clubhouse heard it.

          Reply
          • Lunchbox45

            13 years ago

            and reporters would never fabricate or embellish a story in order to attract attention or anything

            Reply
            • imachainsaw

              13 years ago

              no, considering accusations such as those are grounds for a libel suit.
              you really think guys that are on payroll have anything to gain by making up false stories like that? that these reporters are so insecure and starved for attention that they would do that?

              Reply
              • Lunchbox45

                13 years ago

                yes yes and yes

                Reply
                • imachainsaw

                  13 years ago

                  lol

                  Reply
      • dudemanbro

        13 years ago

         part of me kind of hopes gomes hurts his back out dancing around like a 4 year old after knocking in a run in a blow out

        Reply
    • Andrew Steven

      13 years ago

      Unless is Pujols. Then i don’t give 2 ___

      Reply
  17. AaronKrager

    13 years ago

    Crap. There goes my best closer for my fantasy team.

    Reply
    • CalvaryCougar

      13 years ago

      pick up marshall

      Reply
  18. discdogbob

    13 years ago

    New Closer Joel Pineiro

    Reply
  19. Matt

    13 years ago

    $8.5 Mil to get arm surgery? I’ll take it…

    Reply
  20. dan

    13 years ago

    It really is a shame that teams are stuck paying someone so much and he won’t even pitch in 1 regular season game for them. When he comes back..he should do the right thing and sign cheap for the Red’s.

    Reply
    • Chris Bosh

      13 years ago

      He’s a Scott Boras client.

      Reply
      • nbcards

        13 years ago

         scott boras clients dont sign for cheap

        Reply
        • Steve

          13 years ago

           Except for Ryan Madson. He signed pretty cheap.

          Reply
          • Will

            13 years ago

            In retrospect, did he? It seems pretty likely that the Reds didn’t do their due diligence, and signed damaged goods. Boras was smart to take whatever deal he could that would pay his client without giving him a thorough physical. $8.5mil looks like a pretty good deal to fund Madson’s rehab.

            Reply
        • Amish_willy

          13 years ago

          well, Ryan Madson will be a good deal cheaper next season then he was this season.

          Reply
    • User 4245925809

      13 years ago

       Curt Schilling signed with Boston for 8m in the winter of 2008, had to have surgery, missed the entire season and didn’t give Boston any discount to return and refused to play for any team the next year except Boston afterwards.. He also was not willing to take a discount to return in 2009 after the surgery and he actually had loyalty to the team, unlike the Boras client madson.

      There is -0- way Madson gives cincy a discount.

      Reply
      • blu167

        13 years ago

         and you know that Madson has no loyalty, because…?

        Reply
        • User 4245925809

          13 years ago

           I don’t have anything against Madson. Just think of Boras clients who gave home town discounts for anything and am being serious here? Loyalty to *match* a deal? Maybe, but a discount?

          I can name 1.. Varitek, sure, there might be more, but madson just signed with this team and i can’t imagine loyalty for someone who never, ever pitched 1 IP for a team.

          Reply
          • dan

            13 years ago

             Well, coming off tommy John surgery, he wont be get a big contract, he will have to prove he is back. He wasn’t a big time proven closer anyway, that’s why he had to settle for a one year deal this year to boost his value. All I’m trying to say is, he should cut the red’s a break since he will be paid by them for nothing. He should sign a one year deal with the red’s for cheap when he is back to pay the red’s back.

            Reply
            • User 4245925809

              13 years ago

               I understand that and really not trying to give you a hard time here as understand where you are coming from and myself think players should do what you are suggesting, but a Boras client especially? I just don’t see it.

              look at Mike “Shaky” gonzalez, another ex closer and client of boras who is still coming off of surgery to some extent and a not real solid 2011, he is looking for a decent contract we can assume still and probably that lies at Boras’s feet, or he would be in camp with some team by now.

              Reply
    • Phillies_Aces35

      13 years ago

      He should not do “the right thing and sign cheap with the Reds.” He doesn’t owe them anything.

      Besides, would the Reds have given him more money if he had the best year for a closer every? Highly doubtful.

      Reply
  21. Travis White

    13 years ago

    With the Cards losing Carp at least a few months and Madson out for the season, the NL central is really looking like anyone’s race right now

    Reply
    • CalvaryCougar

      13 years ago

      Lol heard of marshall? We are fine

      Reply
      • TophersReds

        13 years ago

        Marshall doesn’t put a band-aid on the whole situation. This domino just caused many others to fall, mostly not favorable ones.

        Reply
        • CalvaryCougar

          13 years ago

          What? Chapman to bullpen is not that bad either

          Reply
          • imachainsaw

            13 years ago

            while that’s workable, the rotation & team potentially suffers from that. even if chapman does well in the ‘pen, the reds would get about a third of the innings from chapman, which could equate about a third of value to the team and quantifiable in terms of WAR. I think that’s what he means by domino effect. The only way for the Reds to move on unaffected to the team as a whole would be to add a closer or reliever of similar value without having to reorganize the roster and switching roles from pen to rotation and vice-versa.

            Reply
            • Brian

              13 years ago

               Chapman was going to most likely start in the AAA rotation.  He was not in the plan for the starting rotation to start the season to begin with.

              Reply
            • CalvaryCougar

              13 years ago

              its wasn’t even guaranteed that chapman would do well as a starter….look at him in Louisville last year, plus he was probably gonna start the year in AAA anyway

              Reply
              • imachainsaw

                13 years ago

                 you mean those 13 innings? not much of sample size, but yeah until they tried him as a starter of course it’s a mystery. it’d be unfortunate for them not to test it.

                Reply
                • CalvaryCougar

                  13 years ago

                  yeah i agree, small sample size

                  Reply
        • User 4245925809

          13 years ago

           Team(s) that have several closers may be able to help and I DON’T mean the Orioles and Kevin Gregg either…

          Boston currently has Andrew Bailey, Mark melencon and eventually..Alfredo Aceves at the back of the BP and *could* have Danial Bard later moved there once again. That is a LOT of late inning,proven people. i could see them moving 1 even with Bard in the rotation if the price is right, like melencon who Cincy is familiar with and he has closing experience, cost controlled even.

          Reply
          • Crosstownkid 2

            13 years ago

            Maybe krod

            Reply
            • toddcoffeytime

              13 years ago

              I doubt Cincy’s looking to pick up another sizeable contract for a reliever after not having this one insured…If they were to add to the bullpen the trade market is about it.  Maybe they matchup with KC for Broxton, or the Fish for Oviedo if they are still in contention near the deadline.

              Reply
        • CalvaryCougar

          13 years ago

          yes it hurts to lose a pitcher but i fail to see how marshall doesnt fix the bullpen

          Reply
          • TophersReds

            13 years ago

            Marshall + Madson > Marshall

            Great Bullpen becomes good Bullpen.

            Reply
      • goredsgo

        13 years ago

        no were not fine we just blew 8.5 million on a guy to sit on the bench all year

        Reply
    • DT Flush234

      13 years ago

       Madson is a closer. You can replace his numbers.

      Reply
    • Adam

      13 years ago

      It is still a 3 team race.  Cards, Brewers, Reds.  In that order.

      Reply
  22. seanb1223

    13 years ago

    Makes you wonder if he was already damaged when he signed.

    Reply
  23. Guest 4714

    13 years ago

    Ruben Amaro Jr looks like a genius right now.

    Reply
    • MB923

      13 years ago

      Doesn’t make up for the contract for Papelbon.

      Reply
  24. discdogbob

    13 years ago

    Bummer tho for Red fans, not as big a deal as Chris Carpenter missing some time, but big,  Looking forward to seeing Chapman in that role, suspect his stuff plays better as a reliever.

    Reply
    • laffingrass

      13 years ago

      Randy Johnson made a pretty decent career out of starting.

      Reply
  25. Muggi

    13 years ago

    That sucks 🙁 He’s a good guy as well as player. Wish him the best coming back in ’13.

    Reply
  26. philliesfan136

    13 years ago

    Nicely done Phillies. That sucks for Madson and the Reds though.

    Reply
    • Nik T.

      13 years ago

      Paplebon is good but way overpaid

      Reply
      • philliesfan136

        13 years ago

        Yeah he is somewhat overpaid but you gotta do what you gotta do to get the best players. I’m glad they didn’t commit to that huge contract for Madson even more now. It sucks for him though, he did well here and is a good guy.

        Reply
        • Vmmercan

          13 years ago

          Not to pick on you, but I would love to see if you felt this way about the Yankees, say, 2005ish.

          Reply
        • Zack D

          13 years ago

          “somewhat overpaid”? paying a closer more than 10 million a year is a huge overpayment. He had his best year last year and was worth 3 wins. He’s 32 and will be 36 by the time its up. This deal will be a huge roadblock for the Phils who have an old and deteriorating team. Wouldn’t surprise me if this was their last year for contention, if they even compete this year.

          Reply
          • Joe C.

            13 years ago

            Agreed, I dislike Papelbon.

            Reply
  27. dan

    13 years ago

     yep, Sox dodged a bullet for sure! So did the Phils.

    Reply
  28. Lefty

    13 years ago

    Now entering the game for the Cincinnati Reds #63 Kevin Gregg….

    Seriously, though this is a shame and the thing of it is Madson has been healthy most of his career. So, now I wonder when he got hurt?

    PS There’s got to be a better way of handling this contractually 8.5 million up in smoke doesn’t seem right. The other problem is the Reds imo have a lot of deferred contracts or they expected a lot of increased revenue in the 2012 budget and now they have a bad contract on their books.

    Reply
    • CalvaryCougar

      13 years ago

      We have marshall

      Reply
      • imachainsaw

        13 years ago

         and a thinner bullpen

        Reply
  29. TophersReds

    13 years ago

    Right when things are looking good for the Reds to finally make a good run. They still do have a good chance, but this hurts… a lot. I was looking forward to having Madson be the Closer. The only thing that hurts more is eating almost $9M for nothing.

    Reply
    • Andrew Steven

      13 years ago

      It does hurt, i feel bad for the Reds right now!

      Reply
  30. Becky Lee

    13 years ago

    Big blow for the Reds, could be worse than cards losing Carp for how ever long. They were putting Chapman in the rotation and now they have to move him into the set up role.

    Reply
    • TophersReds

      13 years ago

      Not only did they lose out on Madson, but this basically just secured Chapman’s fate a as a full-time reliever for the rest of his tenure with the Reds. This was really the last year they could let him sit in AAA for a little bit to become a starter and it still being worth it, but now it’s basically useless. So that’s $9M lost on Madson, and Chapman will never live up to the $30M he’s getting paid in the Bullpen (but the Reds really don’t have another choice).

      Hopefully the Reds get the same fire under them that the Cards got last year when Wainwright went out and players step up. At least Carp is only out for a few months (even though I fully understand that is a huge blow). Seems like the Brewers are sitting pretty while the NLC is getting injured.

      Reply
  31. Nick Sossamon

    13 years ago

    Man, sucks for the Reds.  Could have been a great deal if he was healthy.

    Reply
  32. jphenix2002

    13 years ago

    Bummer

    Reply
  33. BoSoxSam

    13 years ago

    That really sucks. Madson’s one-year deal looks like less of a steal now, although obviously there was no way to predict this. Terrible luck for the Reds.

    Reply
  34. FS54 2

    13 years ago

    Fantasy players can draft a roster full of players that will miss the season. What’s going on this spring training?

    Reply
  35. douger007

    13 years ago

    Something stinks here.  This guy should have been in line for a fat payday and ends up signing a one-year deal for $8.5M?  And the whole 4/44 mythical contract thing never seemed to go away, long after he signed w/Cincy – didn’t I just read a recent article about Madson believing the offer was made?  Did Dr. Boras conduct his physical?  He threw one bp session and now he needs TJ surgery?  Methinks my Reds got swindeled on this one.  Somebody new something was up with that elbow, but obviously, and unfortunately, it wasn’t the Reds.

    Reply
    • start_wearing_purple

      13 years ago

      I seriously doubt there was a conspiracy here. Madson didn’t get a massive deal because Boras misread the market for closers. That’s it, Occam’s Razor.

      Reply
    • Runtime

      13 years ago

      Right. Because all he did was throw one bullpen session.

      Obviously pro athletes never go to the gym.

      Reply
  36. Joe Bilde

    13 years ago

    Wow, that sucks. Glad the Phils dodged that bullet, but it sucks for the Reds. And for Madson… I love that guy.

    Reply
  37. Todd

    13 years ago

    Dropping like flies they are

    Reply
  38. omavricko

    13 years ago

    He’ll resign next year with the reds for incentives

    Reply
  39. alashieve

    13 years ago

    I am glad I don’t own Madson in any of my roto leagues.

    Reply
  40. buckeyereds

    13 years ago

    I hope the front office keeps Chapman as a starter.  Francis has been good this spring training.  I would much rather see him as the other lefty in the bullpen now.

    Reply
  41. Paul Shailor

    13 years ago

    I wonder if Mike Gonzalez will sign with them now. This really is bad.

    Reply
  42. BitLocker

    13 years ago

    Welp, Ruben Armaro just got saved and made the Papelbon signing less worse then what would have happened if they re-signed Madson.

    Reply
  43. jhfdssdaf

    13 years ago

    That Marshall deal this offseason suddenly looks better.  As a middle reliever, they only got market value, but if he’s successful as a closer this season, they would have had to pay alot more after the year is through.

    Reply
  44. Mikenmn

    13 years ago

    Never like to see an injury. On the business side, Madson will not get a big money contract for 2013, because no one knows whether he’s going to be able to pitch or at what level.  And he will be two years older the next time he has an opportunity to cash in.  But the idea that Boras knew his elbow was about to go seems very farfetched. Boras is always about the money, so he would have urged taking a multi-year contract.  Whatever went on behind the scenes is irrelevant now. Having surgery and losing a year isn’t a lot of fun.

    Reply
  45. Alex

    13 years ago

    Holy unfortunate.

    Reply
  46. Nimphiusforever

    13 years ago

    Wishing the Maddog a fast and strong recovery. You pitched your heart out for the Phils. Hope you are back soon, better than ever!

    Reply
  47. Goose

    13 years ago

    My condolences to the Reds’ fans. This news really hurts.

    Reply
  48. Goose

    13 years ago

    Oh, and condolences to Madson. Hope he comes back healthy and strong.

    Reply
  49. CHendershott

    13 years ago

    To all the people saying this sucks for the Reds… yes they lost their closer during an All-In season, but they got him for below-market value on a 1 year deal. Sucks, but they’ll survive and still have a chance to win.

    Meanwhile, Madson gambled on his success this season to try and get a nice payday and didn’t even have a chance to blow it or be successful. He’ll get a contract I’m sure, it’s not like no one has ever come back from Tommy John surgery before, but he lost out here, a lot more than the Reds did. He was the one taking all the risks, not them, and now the worst possible situation is playing out.

    However, I can’t feel TOO sorry for someone making $8.5 mil a year…

    Reply
  50. Ferrariman

    13 years ago

    couple things…

    this hurts the reds.  a lot.  But, its relievers.  Teams have relievers come out of nowhere every year and step up big, for example Fernando Salas for the cards last year.  

    This, on paper, isn’t as big of a loss as losing carpenter for 1-2 months but something to keep in mind, through the entire first half of the season last year, carpenter had 4 wins and 7 losses.  For the first 2 months, he had 1 win and 5 losses. I know wins/losses don’t matter when evaluating talent but in this scenario, its a good gauge on how much value the cards were getting out of carpenter’s starts, and clearly it was nothing.  Think Wainwright can do better than that?  I would imagine so.  

    Reply
    • CalvaryCougar

      13 years ago

      finally someone who doesnt overvalue someone who pitches the 9th inning

      Reply
  51. JoeSeadog 2

    13 years ago

    When you’ve only thrown 630 innings lifetime, have but 47 wins and 52 saves over eight years and your agent calls you and says he turned down 4 years @40+mil, you fire him and crawl back on your hands and knees.

    Reply
  52. burritolikethesun

    13 years ago

    Go Brewers.

    Reply
  53. P.J. Lowry

    13 years ago

    Suddenly giving Papelbon that 4 year contract instead doesn’t seem so crazy anymore, eh? Did the Phillies know something about Madison that we didn’t? Thank goodness the Jays didn’t offer this guys a fat contract… at least we got a good season and a half out of BJ Ryan. 

    Reply
    • Josh Bresser

      13 years ago

      Yes. It does. 

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