The Blue Jays and Pirates have agreed to swap outfielder Travis Snider for right-hander Brad Lincoln, the teams announced. Both players were selected in the first half of the first round of the 2006 amateur draft.
Snider, now 24, has spent considerable time in the Major Leagues since debuting as a 20-year-old in 2008. However, he has battled injuries and the Blue Jays have optioned him to the minor leagues for extended periods, so his career high in games is 82 (reached in 2010). The left-handed hitter has a career batting line of .247/.305/.429. He has a .235/.270/.559 line in 37 plate appearances this year, including three homers against left-handed pitching.
Snider is on track for arbitration eligibility following the 2013 season. He's under team control through 2016. He joins a left field mix that currently includes Starling Marte, Drew Sutton and Alex Presley.
Lincoln has developed into a dependable late inning reliever for the Pirates, though that's not necessarily what they had in mind when they selected him fourth overall six years ago. He has a 2.73 ERA with 9.1 K/9, 2.1 BB/9 and a 37% ground ball rate in 59 1/3 innings for Pittsburgh this year. The 27-year-old has also started at least five games in three consecutive seasons. His average fastball checks in at 93.2 mph.
Lincoln could be arbitration eligible as a super two following the 2013 season, but he'll remain under team control though 2017. He'll join a Blue Jays bullpen that doesn't have many sure things other than Casey Janssen going forward.
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Will Snider start in PIT?
Snider will start immediately, in RF. Lincoln will go into the Jays Rotation. He has been excellent this year, as a spot starter, a long reliever and a late innings guy. I was actually hoping the Bucs would trade Hanrahan in a bigger deal and move Lincoln to closer. His stuff is ridiculous!
Looks like this will be the Pirates BIG move. lol
not impressed.
This trade makes me feel like tourettes guy.
BOB SAGET!
I got a good friend who believes that Snider might hit 30~40 homers if injury free and reaching his potential. Would you say .280, 20~25 would be more realistic?
I don’t think that happens right away, but I can see Snider as a consistent .850 OPS outfielder with plus defense and great bbqing
He definitely LOVES to eat!!!
I don’t think he’ll ever hit for average, maybe .240-.260. I think around 30hr is fair if he stays healthy. The real upside of Sinder is his excellent defense, very underrated.
Between this and the Happ trade I really have no idea what AA is doing anymore.
right?
so its not just me. I worry sometimes that I’m too close. Self admittedly I really liked snider (obviously) but I still dont get it.
Definitely not just you, especially after Farrell saying that they are going to use Lincoln out of the ‘pen (if they thought he could start I would disagree with them, but I would at least be able to see where they were coming from).
same situ with happ.
Exactly.
I think I’m too bummed out (because I liked Snider so much) to really judge the trade right now..
That’s fair but is Snider ever going to put it together? We have seen him follow this pattern each time he has been called up. A few moments where you thik he will get it, then the inevitable mounting strike out total and inconsistent hitting.
as soon as Sinder gets it, he’ll get injured. rinse repeat.
I think the big reason for the trade is the fact that Snider is on his last option and if the jays had to expose him to waivers next year they would lose him for nothing. At the end of the day the pirates are taking a lot bigger of a risk than the jays are in my opinion. I do hope he figures it out and becomes the player we all think he can though.
I’d rather see Snider fail in a Jays’ jersey as well.
Wow. Weird trade.
As a Reds fan, I LOVE THIS.
Lol this was def a stupid trade for the Pirates to make. Apperantly, this would take the Jays out of the running for Garza, which leaves it down to the Reds and Rangers. I’d love to see Cincy come out of this trade deadline with Garza, Victorino, and Overbay. Victorino can replace Stubbs, Overbay serves as the 1B until Votto returns, and then goes to a LH PH/bench role, and Garza solidifies our rotation.
You wont be in 2 years. This trade sucks.
Agreed… Pirates are sticking in it because of their pitching, and they just traded one of their best relievers for another AAAA-type guy to crowd the OF. Beautiful.
who?
Thank you Neil Huntington, thank you
This doesn’t make any sense.
for the jays
for anyone. Why would the Pirates use one of their best trade chips for an unproven outfielder who’s done next to nothing in the majors?
Lincoln has been nearly unhittable out of the pen, lowest bullpen ERA in the entire league. Capable of going multiple innings or possibly pitching late game/closing. I wish Lincoln the best of luck, always accepted his role unlike a certain Pirates pitcher who was recently demoted…
This is what Blue Jays fans said about Robinson Diaz when we got Jose Bautista. As a Blue Jays fan, I sincerely wish you were the Pirates GM.
With their pitchers’ arms literally falling off this year, I’d say getting a young (controllable) arm enjoying a nice season for a backup outfielder is a nice little move for Toronto.
EDIT: your downvotes faze me not, internet baseball website commenters.
Not a backup outfielder. This is a former top prospect with a huge ceiling.
He’s riding one slow elevator then.
he’s still 23 years old. .
He’s the same age as Marte…to put that in perspective for Pirate fans.
So is Lincoln though
Are the Jays going to use Lincoln as a starter…?
Trying to figure out what purpose this serves for either team…
He has starting pitcher potential, I think they will do the same thing that they did with Morrow.
i really hope Snider is worth it. Lincoln was one of their best relievers.
he is. the pirates won this trade decisively
Let’s be honest…Lincoln was great out of the bullpen this year – but he was pretty much our 6th inning guy whenever Correia pitched. Hardly a critical component to the team’s success this year.
Hate this trade as a Pirate fan and not because of Snider but because I wanted a better (veteran) player.
nope. this is a great move for the pirates. Sniders gonna be good.
Been hearing that for a long time!!! Hope your right!
You just might love your outfield of Snider/McCutchen/Marte next year.
You have to think long-term. Huge win for Pittsburgh.
future starting left fielder for a reliever ?
ya, I really don’t understand.
Morrow was a reliever when the Jays aquired him, hes our ace now.
Morrow always had ace potential. Lincoln is crap. This is a disgusting trade.
Hahahaha hes the jays ace, but that doesnt make him an ace. It just shows how bad the jays rotation is. Hes at best a #3. And on some teams he is a 4
And you cleaarly have lost touch with reality.
Yes his 3.01 ERA while pitching in the AL East (with 3 of the top 5 offences in the majors) shows how bad he is, also he only led the whole league in strikeouts per 9 innings last season.
How is Lincoln crap? Based on what? Stats? Ok, look at them. Right now, his ERA as a reliever is the best in MLB. Toronto got a good return for Snider.
Aces tend not to spend most of their time on the DL.
Humans cannot control who gets injured and who doesnt.
By avoiding faulty mechanics and overuse, they sure can.
Thats true, but humans are not meant to throw 95+ mph, injuries happen and you cannot control all of them. Besides this is his first serious injury siince he came to the majors.
Don’t think I’d hold him in as high regard as Morrow. Lincoln is not that bad, but I don’t think he’ll be turning into and ace anytime soon.
Snider is garbage
BAD TRADE
This seems like the kind of trade AA would make in the other direction.
the organization clearly didn’t believe in Snider, not sure why they didn’t feel like they could get value for him.
This one is going to sting in a few years.
ya, when he actually gets a full season of ABs
Aren’t the odds that Snider is probably a 2-3 win player IF he reaches his 90th percentile at this point. I can’t imagine his upside is viewed like it was 3 years and all of a sudden he’s going to go Alex Gordon for the Pirates. He seems more Ian Stewart to me.
Lincoln will be a super-2 in 2014, but is under control for 2 additional seasons. I wouldn’t be losing ANY sleep over dealing Snider. Some turn into Jay Bruce’s some don’t. Relievers don’t get a ton of respect, but a good (potentially great?) one is better then a stiff LF with pop and a flawed game. I’m tallying up the K’s he and Alvarez will have between them. Play them both everyday in 2013 and you’re probably looking at 300+ K’s, and don’t think he’ll be in Alvarez’s class power wise.
Plenty of monster prospects never pan out in MLB, I don’t see Snider being a good addition to help the Pirates reach the playoff this season. I was hoping to get Lincoln here in Philly
young position player with crazy upside for a pitcher i know nothing about
AMAZING
you must be a pirates fan
No, but I’m talking to Pirates fans who hate the deal.
strange trades goin on right now well i guess the yankees can can switch cliff lee for cory wade haha
brandon league back to toronto for devon white
Awful trade by the Jays. Snider is still going to mash, he’s just started figuring it out. Never got an extended chance. Watch him go off in Pittsburgh.
Where’s my pitchfork!?
Very good trade for the Pirates. Snider has monster potential. Change of scenery might be all he needs.
he seems to playing fine right now.
Exactly why this makes me go HUH. He was finally showing breakthrough potential, and after that grab in the last DET game I was certain he would be starting LF next year.
He still isn’t hitting well and is striking out a lot. The same issues he has always had when called up.
Too bad the Jays traded him, but was he ever going to get it?
whats lincoln like ?
he’s not bad at all. he was my favorite reliever this year. he struggled early on as a starter but when they moved him to the pen he did just fine. i hope he continues to flourish in Toronto.
0.50 era as a reliever, but I would imagine he will start for the Jays. Was a huge part of the Pirates top ranked pen.
The Jays needed Lincoln like they needed a hole in their head.
Too soon?
Jokes!!
Abe Lincoln was assassinated via a hole in the head.
150 years. Almost too soon, but…
0.50 ERA with 40 strikeouts in 35 IP. Not so great as a starter. Most Pirate fans saw him as the future closer once Hanrahan got too expensive.
GREAT from the pen.. had issues starting.
He freed the slaves and is on a penny.
i remember playing mlb 06 the show, you could trade him for literally any player
you can do that in mlb the show 12 too
you can’t rate this trade yet until you see how both players play out on either teams.
I was never really high on snider because they brought him up way to early and pretty much ruined him. he never developed a consistent approach at the plate or a better eye. still strikes out over once a game and doesn’t walk enough.
i feel this is more of a clean house trade. AA didn’t draft snider and his scouts have probably told him what they believe he will develop into so AA has no problem trading him if he doesn’t hear what he wants to hear.
i like it for the pirates, but i’ll admit to undervaluing relievers.
because you can buy them every offseason.
And they’re some of the most “temperamental” players in the game. One year they’re unhittable the next they’re getting demolished. The really good ones are the ones that stay on one team for a long time.
What gives? This move is dumb. I thought they were done trying to acquire guys like Snider who’ve performed for years in the minors yet disappointed when they came up in the bigs. Where do they play him now or do they keep him in the minors? Lincoln was a very good piece, probably the best reliever in the entire pen and a potential starter, they should have used him to get something better than Snider. I will hope for the best with Snider but my initial reaction is very disappointing.
Snider will immediately start somewhere in the outfield. He has 3 homeruns in his last 9 games for the Jays. I still don’t know how to react to this one, but I will say one thing, NICE AVATAR
He will replace Presley in the outfield. That’s a good thing.
I don’t understand
What…..
Ya know for a guy who has never done much in Toronto he was a fan fav because of his massive potential, the issue of course is he destroys the minors and comes up and looks completely lost. This trade might not look good in a few years, but I’m not sure Snider can reach his potential in Toronto he needs a new start. I wish him luck as a pirate.
On the other hand Lincoln was a target of several other teams, this could be part of a flip it is hard to say.
new start? He hasn’t even received anything close to a consistent set of ABs at the major league level.
I was thinking that. Do you think the Phillies and Jays make a deal? Amaro really liked Lincoln.
Im a phillies fan and there is no possible trade that will happen between them and the blue jays. Who could the phillies trade them that they want??? We have overpaid players or players that will be free agents next season. If anything maybe the pirates got snider to flip to us for maybe victorino but thats a long shot. Or maybe pence. But I dont see anything happening with the pirates now cause lincoln most certsinly would have been a trade chip for pence…
I’m a Phillies fan too. What we have to offer is Victorino and Pence. Now that AA just traded Thames they will need an OF and it’s odd that he just keep stacking up his bullpen if he’s not going to flip any of them. But the Jays may not be partners as you said. Though the Pirates aren’t totally done since in the other post it said they were looking for a RH bat still. Now with the addition of Snider, they could be more open to trading a guy like Marte, who is the guy the Phillies wanted all along for Pence.
6.08 era as a starter in 12 starts this year, he’s not even better than anyone on the current staff, including the former shell of Romero.
Seriously what was the point of this.
I think this is a wake-up call to many of us Jays fans who overvalue our own guys…
Most probably feel like they haven’t had a real opportunity to fairly evaluate Snider.
AA gets grade F this season. He’s definitely on crack.
Can Snider play RF? Marte is locked into LF for the next 6 years.
Snider can play all 3 OF positions, but is stronger at the corners. For a bulky guy he can move quite well.
How good is his arm?
plus arm, not amazing, but he’s got a good cannon
wouldn’t call it great, but he mostly gets it on target, which is better than most guys do. having a great arm in RF is a little overrated imo, too many teams sacrifice range for arm and come out with an overall negative. so yes i think snider can play there.
Marte should be playing in RF with that cannon he has for an arm.
Actually, he should probably be starting in CF, but I can understand why they don’t want to mess with Cutch.
I like this trade for the Pirates. does this mean Correia is staying?
So Pirates are sellers
no they’re not. trading from a position of strength to fill a position of weakness improves their team.
Jays fans should be very happy. Lincoln is one hell of a reliever, with a super aggressive attitude and great stuff this year. Could be a closer for years.
He’s had a good to great year so far but relievers are ridiculously inconsistent. He was pretty terrible the two years prior to this one. Moving to the AL East and the general inconsistency of relief pitchers? Gotta chalk this one up as a risky move for AA to make.
Good point about the division change. But all the more reason for the Jays to need bullpen help. Both sides take on big risk: Lincoln was considered the go to guy moving forward for the next 5 years.
I agree…it is a very interesting move for both GMs to make.
No!!!! Not #LunchBoxHero!!!
womp womp
Wilner says that it could be for a Garza deal, twit-twat explodes.
This is a great deal for Toronto. They have power to spare but pitching will be key during the stretch run and Brad Lincoln is no slouch. I think he’ll do quite well.
And oh yeah, Lincoln can start for you too in a pinch. I know he’s started at least a few times this year and had pretty decent success. Snider may never be that great.
When did AA start being a terrible GM? Maybe he should just go back to selling
every deadline. He was good at that. Eventually we’d have enough value
that he couldn’t possibly screw it up, right?
Maybe AA should just go back to selling every deadline. He was good at that.
Snider has been a AAAA player up to this point, but if his game does ever translate to the big leagues he could be an outstanding player. To risk only a 27 year old pitcher who hasn’t had success as a starter is a great gamble for the Pirates.
He’s never had consistent playing time.
Shi Davidi – “Jays have control of Lincoln through 2018, Snider under control through 2016. Lincoln fourth overall in 2006, Snider went 10 picks later”
Sounds Brandon Morrow-esque…a guy who is getting shuffled back and forth from starter and reliever. Has lights out stuff this year out of the pen, lets see where a consistent starting role takes him.
Who is the Jays closer this year? Because Lincoln could be your closer for the next 6 years if he keeps up what he has been doing in relief this year.
We have a closer who has been lights out. And traded for a different one last off-season.
Maybe…at this point who knows what his role will be. I assume a reliever for now, but this and the Happ trade gives the Jays rotation and bullpen options.
With Marte and Snider, the Bucs OF of the future is set. I’m gonna miss Lincoln, he’s a potential All-Star caliber closer (pretty mediocre as a starter though) but you can find relievers. Getting a young OF with Snider’s potential for him straight up is a pretty sweet deal.
So.. PIT slowly making up for that Joeybats trade?
Yeah. Very slowly. Maybe in the next 50 years or so they can make up for trading Bautista for a backup catcher that they dfa’ed
I’ve always like Snider so i think this may work out for the Pirates. Does this mean Correia is staying?
I don’t think NH is worrying about Correia right now. He’s a mediocre #5 starter, I don’t expect people are beating down his door for a trade. He’d be lucky to get a PTBNL for KC. Given Jmac’s struggles, I’d rather put KC back in the rotation and give him a couple starts off.
The player the Snider trade most impacts IMO is Jose Tabata. It looks like Marte-Cutch-Snider is going to be our starting OF next year. Hopefully we can swap Tabata for something rather than just giving him away.
Pirate fan here: Brad Lincoln leads the MLB in bullpen ERA. He’s got a 95 mph fastball, and a nasty curve, but needs to develop his changeup more to become an effective starter. He’s been nasty in a relief role. There was rumblings in town that the Bucs should deal Hanrahan and insert Lincoln into the 9th inning. He’ll be valuable for the Jays for many years. Pirates will probably recall Doug Slaten, who has something like a 0.40 ERA in AAA
I don’t know enough about Snider. A “prospectish” player that has yet to prove himself at the MLB level, despite his potential, isn’t exactly the guy to help the team make a push this season.
That being said, I think the Pirates will fade a bit down the stretch, but still finish above .500. I think the front office is aware of this situation and is looking to build toward the future. Seems like a pretty fair swap.
This is one of those weird trades where just a cursory glance at the stats make both sides feel a little disappointed, but digging a little deeper both sides are getting good players here.
nope. the pirates just blue jay’d the blue jays
Maybe this is a precursor to another trade for the Pirates? Maybe they flip Snider and a prospect for something else?
Hopefully this turns out like the Brian Giles trade way back when. Might be a great trade for the Pirates, but…..A)I was hoping for a big bat that would make more of an immediate impact, not sure if that’s the case for Snider and B) Lincoln could still turn out to be a very good pitcher. I doubt the Jays traded for him with using him as a MR in mind.
I’m a Reds fan and I’m not sure why you would trade Lincoln for a player that’s hitting .247? And Wandy trade didn’t make since to me either if you want to win so badly why would you go get players like you have picked up? Confused!!
Wandy was a pretty good pick up. He’s a hellva lot better than Coriea and Snider is a “big” bat, who has some power, which the Pirates need. If it’s enough to catch the Reds, not sure.
Snider only has 34 at bats this year. That average is part of a very very very small sample size. And he is only 24 years old. Not saying I love the deal, but he does have 3 hrs in those 34 abs. Again, small sample size. But a left handed power hitter might abuse that short Clemente wall in RF at PNC Park
Wait until you see Snider hit at Great American Ballpark this weekend. All will become clear.
For a trade that happened at 12:30pm EST, where both these teams play, this thread sure filled up quick.
Jays just finished playing in SEA.
Morosi reports Bucs still looking for an OF bat (though he says right handed). But maybe Snider gets flipped to Cleveland in a package for Choo. Its been said that the Indians are lookiing for an MLB player with under 3 years of service time. I think Snider fits that description
Excellent point
No way in hell do I want Choo…
Or Phils for Pence since there were rumors that they wanted Marte
I was thinking that as well. I wouldn’t be surprised if he is flipped for a more ready bat.
I actually would like to keep Snider. If we could package Presley, Correia, Tabata, and Hanrahan we could get an impressive return. I really don’t mind not making a huge playoff run this year, just have a winning season. The future is bright. But with the package I just mentioned, imagine the AA and AAA guys we could get. Hanrahan alone brings two above average prospects. We could use another SP and either a SS or a 1B.
now THAT, would be a great move for the Pirates. I’m not convinced that NH is good enough to pull that off tho.
Snider’s career BA: .247
Lincoln’s career BA: .243
Even if Lincoln doesn’t pan out we didn’t lose much. You people don’t know who Brad Lincoln is. This guy is a stud. You are falling prisoner of the moment with Snider. His trade value might have never been higher. Marisnick will be up in a couple years and will be way better than Snider in my opinion.
your opinion also uses batting average.
Welp, file this under Francisco for Napoli.
Calm down, Snider hasn’t really put it all together yet, his K rate is still high and all, and we got a pitcher that the pirates fan love and is under control till 2018 with some potential. I’m not exactly loving it, but put the wrist cutters away for now.
I do love it. You have to give value to get value. Snider was as valuable as I think he will ever be. And AA recognized it and flipped for a shutdown pitcher. Its a good deal for us in my opinion.
if he really is a strikeout machine, then the Pirates may lose this deal after all. Lincoln has put his stuff together nicely since last season and shows signs of progress still. the Pirates already have strikeout machines (see Alvarez, Pedro)
Lincoln’s fastball sucks but his curveball is a pretty good out pitch. His changeup is decent too.
at the end of the day, we brought in a redundant piece.
if you aren’t going to bring in a front line starter, then just don’t do anything. This team is no better off with davis is lf and lincoln starting then cecil starting and snider in lf
Maybe AA believes that isn’t the case? We rag on Davis but he does a decent job, not great but Snider has never been great. We undervalue bullpen pieces quite a bit as well, even if he doesn’t make it as a starter, a back-end reliever is not that easy to find. Jansenn, Santos, Oliver, and Lincoln = quite the BP for 2013. And maybe AA and his scouts see that he’s got his stuff together and could potentially start too, i don’t know. I think a big thing is that he’s under control till 2018.
In small 2012 sample size, and over there careers, Snider has been better both offensively and defensively.
bullpen’s can be bought/assembled in the offseason.
That’s what we say every year…and every year our BP is terrible.
but that’s false. Maybe that is the lasting impression you have because of Kevin Gregg, but the bullpen has actually not been that bad over the last ten years.
Perhaps…but our FA BP adventures have not turned out well, even in AA’s era and after Gregg. I dunno man, I’m trying to reason it out, AA must have a better idea of what he’s doing.
wow… i’m not sure what to make of this. I assume the jays think lincoln can start and the pirates think snider can play full time.
lincoln never missed many bats as a starter, but has been impressive in doing so as a reliever. i dunno about this one… snider has red flags too, including the huge strikeout rate and the inability to hit lefties. but then again he is much younger. as a jays fan, this trade makes me uneasy.
People need to realize that although the Pirates are making a playoff run so far this year, they arent going to go all in this year. Still planning for the future as well as helping the current team. Young lefty power hitter for a decent spot starter or bullpen guy. Great trade for the Bucco’s. Glad they arent trading for worthless rental players. End the losing streak and continue to build a dynasty. #dreambig
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Farrell says Lincoln will pitch out of bullpen.”
Well, at least he has good ERA out of the pen. AND GOOD RIDDANCE THAMES.
only time will tell. will snider live up to his potential? will lincoln transition into a reliable starter like morrow?
One thing everyone needs to remember is that the Blue Jays’ assistant GM lives in Pitts. At the very least, he has seen Lincoln alot, so that may have something to do with the trade.
Oddly enough I really like this move. I’ve seen Lincoln pitch some this year and he’s looked miles ahead of anything he’s shown in the past. I actually wouldn’t be too surprised if both players helped their new clubs.
Wonder where Snider will fit into the lineup? Although it’s obviously a very small sample size, but his .856 OPS so far this year is now 3rd highest on the Pirates roster behind only McCutchen and McKenry (of all people).
Probably a #2 (where he’ll benefit from Cutch hitting after him) or #5 spot. Basically similar to how they switch Walker from those two spots. Problem with Walker is he doesn’t hit for enough power so that’s probably one of the big reasons they were willing to give up such a big chip in order to get a guy with big time power potential.
Blue Jays are not going to be happy about this one, but only because they overvalue Travis Snider. LunchBox has been a fan favourite since he arrived as the youngest player in the AL back in 2008.
He was ranked as the 6th best prospect in baseball before the ’09 season. He was mishandled by the Jays, being thrown into the majors way too early and then jerked back and forth never being able to just work on the huge holes in his swing that he still can’t shake.
What made the Jays dream of Snider was his power potential. He can hit the ball as hard as anyone, he just doesn’t make enough contact for it to be effective. He’s going to strike out well over 120 times in a full season, while walking only a modest amount.
His D was a big question early on but he was able to develop into a very
good defensive outfielder, who can play all 3 spots more than capably. Unfortunately Snider is still a long term project and might never reach the promise he flashed 4 years ago.
Anthopoulos has shown that, unlike the rest of the Jays fans, he is not a fan of Snider. Before spring training he gave the job to Eric Thames, who’s always been projected as a 4th outfielder. After a great spring training by Snider he still sent him down to Las Vegas. The most obvious display that AA had no faith in Snider was when Bautista went down and they brought up Anthony Gose instead of him.
With all of that when Snider did finally get called up I knew, and probably every other GM in the league knew, that it was just a short showcase and a deadline deal. His trade value was low but they were never going to give him the playing time that fans wanted.
Sorry to break this to you Jays Fans, but this is the best we could realistically expect in return for the ONCE great Travis Snider.
I’m curious to see how the Jays plan to use Lincoln. If they see him as more relief for an exhausted bullpen or do they envision Brandon Morrow 2.0.
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Are they buying? are they selling? seems like all the deals are redundant.
9 players traded away, 5 returning and the team isn’t any better?
not better yet…. maybe soon?
that’s a lot of posturing
The team is “better” short-term, but much worse long-term.
I’m confused as to why we’re going for it this season.
Maybe we’ve got the next Hamilton for Volquez deal on our hands, both these guys have great potential. I’d love to see what happens if the Jays try to convert Lincoln back into a starter.
I’m going to miss Snider.
maybe tomorrow should be a day of mourning and BBQ.
Maybe Neil Huntington is trying to swap Snider for Pence or Choo?? Remember when AA traded for Edwin Jackson last year and everyone said he was a fool, and then a few hours later shipped him to St. Louis for Colby Rasmus??
The only way this makes sense to me is if Neil Huntington swaps Snider for either Choo or Pence. I think Snider fits the “controllable 3 years of service time” the Indians are looking for. Remember when AA traded for Edwin Jackson last season and everyone said he was a fool?? Then a couple hours later he swapped him for Colby Rasmus?? Maybe Neil Huntington has the same thing in mind??
Just about every Jays fan believes this is the worst trade of Anthopoulous’ career.
So consider that when judging this trade.
Great trade. Never was a Snider fan and I think his time in Toronto was wearing thin. Jay’s get a great arm that can potentially become the closer or setup. Possibly starter.
This trade has me confused…why trade for a AAAA guy in the middle of a pennant race when it costs you one of your best bullpen arms? This is not the time of year to be trading away proven assets for unproven one. So far, Neal gets an all aound failing grade from me for this deadline.
How would you feel if the Pirates traded Starling Marte away for a 27 year old middle reliever? Excited?
I think the Pirates could have leveraged Lincoln and a few prospects for a bigger named and consistent player. Potential doesn’t equal results. I think this is a win for the Blue Jays.
Bigger name doesn’t equal better player. I’d much rather have Snider for the next 4 years than Victorino or Pence.
That’s what we thought about Brandon Wood last year.
We claimed Wood off waivers though there is a difference
I love how both Jays fans and Pirates fans think this is horrible deal.
I admit I’m a Jays fan and at first glance, I thought this was joke too.
Hard to view these kinds of trades without the homer, man-crush goggles on.
Travis Snider better have an ops over .900 the rest of the way. Lincoln is a promising set-up man.
.900 OPS is a fair expectation for Snider. Potential to get hot and reach 1.000.
I don’t understand what Blue Jays fans were expecting to get from an outfielder who’s never accomplished anything in the majors in three years. Regardless of his potential, his trade value diminished each passing year that he didn’t have major league success. It’s like the Maple Leafs fans who always overvalue their bad players and seem to think a package of Komisarek, Kadri, and Kulemin can acquire any player on the block.
Talk about selling low. This is an awful trade for the Jays.
Who plays LF now?
Gose clearly isn’t ready. Rajai Davis is an FA at the end of the year and is more of a 4th outfielder on a competitive squad. And the Jays have shown they’re afraid to spend money in the offseason.
Brad Wilkerson, dust your cleats off.
I don’t understand how Pirate fans think this is a bad trade. If you like Starling Marte, Snider is the same age and has better MiLB stats. Bullpen arms are a dime a dozen, not to mention that Lincoln has a low BABIP and a 99.7% LOB%, so he’ll likely regress shortly.
What I also don’t get is why AA traded for Brad Lincoln. He’s not going to be a starter, in fact that ship sailed a long time ago, and I didn’t know that teams still overvalue closers/ set up men.
Though I do see where Snider can be a future All-Star, I would’ve thought the Pirates could’ve gotten somebody a bit more established than him for Lincoln. Lincoln was one of our top relievers among the most effective in the National League.
This is one of those trades you just can’t judge immediately due to the youth of the players involved. Give it a year or two before you try to figure out who won. Both players have upside for their respective teams.
Also, saw someone comment about Wandy is better than Correia. At this moment, I feel like Correia is better than Bedard. I’m not sure Correia is going to get traded, for back-up reasons.
my problem is NH always goes after the previously high regarded prospect who is not as thought of highly as he once was he is another example we will see but honestly same story with Andrew Lambo, Lastings Milledge, Brandon Wood, Andy Laroche, Brandon Moss and now Snider time will tell but his story seems so similar to Milledges rushed threw the system and now at 26 Milledge is in Japan…
I’ll refrain from grading this trade (personally I love it) but instead say that with the Pirates competing for the playoffs and the significance of Neal Huntington trading away prospects and quality major leaguer – that these two deals of Lincoln/Snider / Wandy / prospects could possibly define Neal as a GM when we look back someday.
Was this a genius move, or awful – where do we finish end of season?
I think Wandy and Travis are upgrades to this roster and that’s the ultimate goal when you make a transaction.
I like Travis to be compared to Pedro Alvarez actually, careerwise and as a potential 30 HR guy, and currently a 5-7 hitter for the lineup.
with massive power.
they neeeeeeeddd pitching OF is RF joey bats Cf Colby LF Goose
gose has hit 1 ball hard since he’s been up, he’s not ready for the majors.
Well that strikes me as a problem.
Well, strictly speaking that remains to be seen.
he is all potential, he has yet to live up to it….we have been hearing for years he was supposed to be the next big thing, and to get a guy with a sub 3 ERA and years of control thats a darn good trade
still 2 months to go, nothing is sealed especially with the buco’s
I meant it remains to be seen if he was actually traded below his level of play.
Gose might not ever be ready for the Majors. He’s always had huge issues making contact.
Maybe AA isn’t done and another deal is in the works.
I guess not, though??
Last year he was a genius, now he’s a tool? I’m thinking this is proof Internet commenters are very fickle.
we should probably trade him for a reliever/spot starter then.
sub 3 era as a reliever, era over 6 as a starter.
and baseball you always trade potential, at 23 very limited players live up to anything.
maybe… still would have preferred them getting more value for him.
Lincoln was my favorite reliever. he could keep his stuff up and quickly become a 5th starter or closer for Toronto. i agree with your points, they didn’t get themselves some nobody prospect. they got a great pitcher in the right situations.
they aren’t a dime a dozen in the middle of a pennant race. Now Hammer and Grilli are their only dependable arms. Hughes is decent but just gets incredibly weak contact. I have very little faith in their middle relievers at this point and Snider does nothing that Jones or Presley doesn’t do.
I don’t want to crucify Snider before he even plays for the Pirates but I’m not much of a fan of those types of players. I don’t see why they couldn’t have put Lincoln in a package for Willingham who’s an established bat they can ride down the home stretch.
LOL…I wouldn’t suggest that necessarily but I also wouldn”t be penciling him into any starting lineups any time soon. A lot of his old scouting reports had him ending up as a 4/5 OF type with great defense/great speed but not enough of a bat to stick as a starter. He definitely needs more MiLB time to develop.
ya, I know. Just feeling sad.
This move has “2013” written all over it. Its a long-term move to help out the franchise rather than a All-In in 2012 move.
It was a good trade.
Because “the package” for Willingham had to include Gerrit Cole (maybe Taillon) and the Pirates aren’t willing to do that. Terry Ryan has said several times that Willingham would require an elite pitching prospect who projects as a #1 starter. The Twins don’t want to trade Willingham and don’t need to trade him (signed through 2014, $8 million each year) and won’t unless the Pirates go all in this year and include Cole as the key piece back to the Twins.
I hope so. Neal may see something in Snider that AA and the rest of Toronto didn’t, I like his potential but I didn’t think this is the time of the year to be banking on “potential”. I guess Snider was a player Neal always had an eye for and couldn’t pass up the opportunity to acquire him. I would love if they flipped him in a Choo deal, though.
That would be ideal for the Pirates…They’d obviously have to give up some other pieces too but it would be a great endpoint for them.
Enough do though to some degree that you dont trade for relievers
Sub 3? His era as a reliever is 0.5.
Im making a point that Snider can’t get on base consistently more than this “nobody pitcher” we just acquired.
I agree he deserved a more extended look. The only times he got decent playing time in the bigs was when he was 21 and 22 years old and even those were completely terrible. Based off those samples, his full season numbers wouldn’t be that much different than a Josh WIllingham type player (.250 avg. with 25-30 HRs).
xbox version or ps3?
yet you used BA to measure his ability to get on base…instead of you know, metrics that actually measure that feature.
so 162-0 and postseason sweep?
A great pitcher doesn’t have to pitch in the “right situations” they can pitch in all situations…
or misinformed
They were. They were moves in which we dumped assets to contending teams for players they didn’t want.
They were. AA sold players contending teams wanted at the deadline, for pieces they didn’t want anymore.
This deadline AA is buying players he needs to contend. And so we get this.
well, as a starter, he hasn’t been very good at all, so my point of him being a “great pitcher in the right situations” still stands, as long as said situations are for relief or closing.