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Blue Jays, Pirates Swap Snider, Lincoln

By Ben Nicholson-Smith | July 30, 2012 at 11:33pm CDT

The Blue Jays and Pirates have agreed to swap outfielder Travis Snider for right-hander Brad Lincoln, the teams announced. Both players were selected in the first half of the first round of the 2006 amateur draft.

Snider, now 24, has spent considerable time in the Major Leagues since debuting as a 20-year-old in 2008. However, he has battled injuries and the Blue Jays have optioned him to the minor leagues for extended periods, so his career high in games is 82 (reached in 2010). The left-handed hitter has a career batting line of .247/.305/.429. He has a .235/.270/.559 line in 37 plate appearances this year, including three homers against left-handed pitching.

Snider is on track for arbitration eligibility following the 2013 season. He's under team control through 2016. He joins a left field mix that currently includes Starling Marte, Drew Sutton and Alex Presley.

Lincoln has developed into a dependable late inning reliever for the Pirates, though that's not necessarily what they had in mind when they selected him fourth overall six years ago. He has a 2.73 ERA with 9.1 K/9, 2.1 BB/9 and a 37% ground ball rate in 59 1/3 innings for Pittsburgh this year. The 27-year-old has also started at least five games in three consecutive seasons. His average fastball checks in at 93.2 mph.

Lincoln could be arbitration eligible as a super two following the 2013 season, but he'll remain under team control though 2017. He'll join a Blue Jays bullpen that doesn't have many sure things other than Casey Janssen going forward.

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  1. sean triplett

    9 years ago

    sean triplett announced.

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  2. cderry

    9 years ago

    Will Snider start in PIT?

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    • coachL

      9 years ago

      Snider will start immediately, in RF. Lincoln will go into the Jays Rotation. He has been excellent this year, as a spot starter, a long reliever and a late innings guy. I was actually hoping the Bucs would trade Hanrahan in a bigger deal and move Lincoln to closer. His stuff is ridiculous!

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  3. Tribetime31

    9 years ago

    Looks like this will be the Pirates BIG move. lol

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  4. Lunchbox45

    9 years ago

    not impressed.

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    • Encarnacion's Parrot

      9 years ago

      This trade makes me feel like tourettes guy.

      BOB SAGET!

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    • Trout Almonte

      9 years ago

      I got a good friend who believes that Snider might hit 30~40 homers if injury free and reaching his potential. Would you say .280, 20~25 would be more realistic?

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      • Lunchbox45

        9 years ago

        I don’t think that happens right away, but I can see Snider as a consistent .850 OPS outfielder with plus defense and great bbqing

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        • Bluejaysnation

          9 years ago

          He definitely LOVES to eat!!!

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      • NicholasDerosa

        9 years ago

        I don’t think he’ll ever hit for average, maybe .240-.260. I think around 30hr is fair if he stays healthy. The real upside of Sinder is his excellent defense, very underrated.

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    • MaineSox

      9 years ago

      Between this and the Happ trade I really have no idea what AA is doing anymore.

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      • Lunchbox45

        9 years ago

        right?

        so its not just me. I worry sometimes that I’m too close. Self admittedly I really liked snider (obviously) but I still dont get it.

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        • MaineSox

          9 years ago

          Definitely not just you, especially after Farrell saying that they are going to use Lincoln out of the ‘pen (if they thought he could start I would disagree with them, but I would at least be able to see where they were coming from).

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          • Lunchbox45

            9 years ago

            same situ with happ.

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            • MaineSox

              9 years ago

              Exactly.

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        • JP

          9 years ago

          I think I’m too bummed out (because I liked Snider so much) to really judge the trade right now..

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        • Al_Oliver

          9 years ago

          That’s fair but is Snider ever going to put it together? We have seen him follow this pattern each time he has been called up. A few moments where you thik he will get it, then the inevitable mounting strike out total and inconsistent hitting.

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          • NicholasDerosa

            9 years ago

            as soon as Sinder gets it, he’ll get injured. rinse repeat.

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        • expos94

          9 years ago

          I think the big reason for the trade is the fact that Snider is on his last option and if the jays had to expose him to waivers next year they would lose him for nothing. At the end of the day the pirates are taking a lot bigger of a risk than the jays are in my opinion. I do hope he figures it out and becomes the player we all think he can though.

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    • malna

      9 years ago

      I’d rather see Snider fail in a Jays’ jersey as well.

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  5. Scott Boudreau

    9 years ago

    Wow. Weird trade.

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  6. Jordan King

    9 years ago

    As a Reds fan, I LOVE THIS.

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    • Jason McNeely

      9 years ago

      Lol this was def a stupid trade for the Pirates to make. Apperantly, this would take the Jays out of the running for Garza, which leaves it down to the Reds and Rangers. I’d love to see Cincy come out of this trade deadline with Garza, Victorino, and Overbay. Victorino can replace Stubbs, Overbay serves as the 1B until Votto returns, and then goes to a LH PH/bench role, and Garza solidifies our rotation.

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    • Jeremy

      9 years ago

      You wont be in 2 years. This trade sucks.

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    • brandondc

      9 years ago

      Agreed… Pirates are sticking in it because of their pitching, and they just traded one of their best relievers for another AAAA-type guy to crowd the OF. Beautiful.

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  7. Rick Yu

    9 years ago

    who?

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  8. Noah Seibel

    9 years ago

    Thank you Neil Huntington, thank you

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  9. rikersbeard

    9 years ago

    This doesn’t make any sense.

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    • rikersbeard

      9 years ago

      for the jays

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      • bigpat

        9 years ago

        for anyone. Why would the Pirates use one of their best trade chips for an unproven outfielder who’s done next to nothing in the majors?

        Lincoln has been nearly unhittable out of the pen, lowest bullpen ERA in the entire league. Capable of going multiple innings or possibly pitching late game/closing. I wish Lincoln the best of luck, always accepted his role unlike a certain Pirates pitcher who was recently demoted…

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        • es0terik

          9 years ago

          This is what Blue Jays fans said about Robinson Diaz when we got Jose Bautista. As a Blue Jays fan, I sincerely wish you were the Pirates GM.

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  10. Karkat

    9 years ago

    With their pitchers’ arms literally falling off this year, I’d say getting a young (controllable) arm enjoying a nice season for a backup outfielder is a nice little move for Toronto.

    EDIT: your downvotes faze me not, internet baseball website commenters.

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    • rikersbeard

      9 years ago

      Not a backup outfielder. This is a former top prospect with a huge ceiling.

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      • Karkat

        9 years ago

        He’s riding one slow elevator then.

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        • Lunchbox45

          9 years ago

          he’s still 23 years old. .

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          • Todd Smith

            9 years ago

            He’s the same age as Marte…to put that in perspective for Pirate fans.

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      • Matthew Mueller

        9 years ago

        So is Lincoln though

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  11. not_brooks

    9 years ago

    Are the Jays going to use Lincoln as a starter…?

    Trying to figure out what purpose this serves for either team…

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    • bla

      9 years ago

      He has starting pitcher potential, I think they will do the same thing that they did with Morrow.

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  12. Dom

    9 years ago

    i really hope Snider is worth it. Lincoln was one of their best relievers.

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    • notsureifsrs

      9 years ago

      he is. the pirates won this trade decisively

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    • Todd Smith

      9 years ago

      Let’s be honest…Lincoln was great out of the bullpen this year – but he was pretty much our 6th inning guy whenever Correia pitched. Hardly a critical component to the team’s success this year.

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  13. Mike Adamson

    9 years ago

    Hate this trade as a Pirate fan and not because of Snider but because I wanted a better (veteran) player.

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    • wildabeast4

      9 years ago

      nope. this is a great move for the pirates. Sniders gonna be good.

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      • Mike Adamson

        9 years ago

        Been hearing that for a long time!!! Hope your right!

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    • slyfox1908

      9 years ago

      You just might love your outfield of Snider/McCutchen/Marte next year.

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    • nepp

      9 years ago

      You have to think long-term. Huge win for Pittsburgh.

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  14. bluejayspwn

    9 years ago

    future starting left fielder for a reliever ?

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    • rikersbeard

      9 years ago

      ya, I really don’t understand.

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    • bla

      9 years ago

      Morrow was a reliever when the Jays aquired him, hes our ace now.

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      • coreyH

        9 years ago

        Morrow always had ace potential. Lincoln is crap. This is a disgusting trade.

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        • PHILAbeatdown

          9 years ago

          Hahahaha hes the jays ace, but that doesnt make him an ace. It just shows how bad the jays rotation is. Hes at best a #3. And on some teams he is a 4

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          • BeenThereDoneIt

            9 years ago

            And you cleaarly have lost touch with reality.

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          • bla

            9 years ago

            Yes his 3.01 ERA while pitching in the AL East (with 3 of the top 5 offences in the majors) shows how bad he is, also he only led the whole league in strikeouts per 9 innings last season.

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        • Marty Caridi

          9 years ago

          How is Lincoln crap? Based on what? Stats? Ok, look at them. Right now, his ERA as a reliever is the best in MLB. Toronto got a good return for Snider.

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      • laffingrass

        9 years ago

        Aces tend not to spend most of their time on the DL.

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        • bla

          9 years ago

          Humans cannot control who gets injured and who doesnt.

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          • laffingrass

            9 years ago

            By avoiding faulty mechanics and overuse, they sure can.

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            • bla

              9 years ago

              Thats true, but humans are not meant to throw 95+ mph, injuries happen and you cannot control all of them. Besides this is his first serious injury siince he came to the majors.

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      • Oscar Santana

        9 years ago

        Don’t think I’d hold him in as high regard as Morrow. Lincoln is not that bad, but I don’t think he’ll be turning into and ace anytime soon.

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    • Casor_Greener

      9 years ago

      Snider is garbage

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  15. Granola Barr

    9 years ago

    BAD TRADE

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  16. slyfox1908

    9 years ago

    This seems like the kind of trade AA would make in the other direction.

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    • Lunchbox45

      9 years ago

      the organization clearly didn’t believe in Snider, not sure why they didn’t feel like they could get value for him.

      This one is going to sting in a few years.

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      • rikersbeard

        9 years ago

        ya, when he actually gets a full season of ABs

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        • Amish_willy

          9 years ago

          Aren’t the odds that Snider is probably a 2-3 win player IF he reaches his 90th percentile at this point. I can’t imagine his upside is viewed like it was 3 years and all of a sudden he’s going to go Alex Gordon for the Pirates. He seems more Ian Stewart to me.

          Lincoln will be a super-2 in 2014, but is under control for 2 additional seasons. I wouldn’t be losing ANY sleep over dealing Snider. Some turn into Jay Bruce’s some don’t. Relievers don’t get a ton of respect, but a good (potentially great?) one is better then a stiff LF with pop and a flawed game. I’m tallying up the K’s he and Alvarez will have between them. Play them both everyday in 2013 and you’re probably looking at 300+ K’s, and don’t think he’ll be in Alvarez’s class power wise.

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          • Dave Traverso

            9 years ago

            Plenty of monster prospects never pan out in MLB, I don’t see Snider being a good addition to help the Pirates reach the playoff this season. I was hoping to get Lincoln here in Philly

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  17. Matt Plamondon

    9 years ago

    young position player with crazy upside for a pitcher i know nothing about

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  18. TheFrankman

    9 years ago

    AMAZING

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    • bluejayspwn

      9 years ago

      you must be a pirates fan

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      • TheFrankman

        9 years ago

        No, but I’m talking to Pirates fans who hate the deal.

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  19. YanksFan4EverNamed_Nick

    9 years ago

    strange trades goin on right now well i guess the yankees can can switch cliff lee for cory wade haha

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  20. sean triplett

    9 years ago

    brandon league back to toronto for devon white

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  21. Braydon Gervais

    9 years ago

    Awful trade by the Jays. Snider is still going to mash, he’s just started figuring it out. Never got an extended chance. Watch him go off in Pittsburgh.

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  22. Jamie Sayer

    9 years ago

    Where’s my pitchfork!?

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  23. dieharddodgerfan

    9 years ago

    Very good trade for the Pirates. Snider has monster potential. Change of scenery might be all he needs.

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    • rikersbeard

      9 years ago

      he seems to playing fine right now.

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      • Jamie Sayer

        9 years ago

        Exactly why this makes me go HUH. He was finally showing breakthrough potential, and after that grab in the last DET game I was certain he would be starting LF next year.

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        • Al_Oliver

          9 years ago

          He still isn’t hitting well and is striking out a lot. The same issues he has always had when called up.
          Too bad the Jays traded him, but was he ever going to get it?

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    • bluejayspwn

      9 years ago

      whats lincoln like ?

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      • Dom

        9 years ago

        he’s not bad at all. he was my favorite reliever this year. he struggled early on as a starter but when they moved him to the pen he did just fine. i hope he continues to flourish in Toronto.

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      • Jordan King

        9 years ago

        0.50 era as a reliever, but I would imagine he will start for the Jays. Was a huge part of the Pirates top ranked pen.

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      • nepp

        9 years ago

        The Jays needed Lincoln like they needed a hole in their head.

        Too soon?

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        • Bluejaysnation

          9 years ago

          Jokes!!

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          • Beenie Man

            9 years ago

            Abe Lincoln was assassinated via a hole in the head.

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        • cocktailsfor2

          9 years ago

          150 years. Almost too soon, but…

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      • Todd Smith

        9 years ago

        0.50 ERA with 40 strikeouts in 35 IP. Not so great as a starter. Most Pirate fans saw him as the future closer once Hanrahan got too expensive.

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      • Joe W.

        9 years ago

        GREAT from the pen.. had issues starting.

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      • formerdraftpick

        9 years ago

        He freed the slaves and is on a penny.

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    • jwsox

      9 years ago

      i remember playing mlb 06 the show, you could trade him for literally any player

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      • Thomas Carrano

        9 years ago

        you can do that in mlb the show 12 too

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    • KB

      9 years ago

      you can’t rate this trade yet until you see how both players play out on either teams.

      I was never really high on snider because they brought him up way to early and pretty much ruined him. he never developed a consistent approach at the plate or a better eye. still strikes out over once a game and doesn’t walk enough.

      i feel this is more of a clean house trade. AA didn’t draft snider and his scouts have probably told him what they believe he will develop into so AA has no problem trading him if he doesn’t hear what he wants to hear.

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  24. melonis_rex

    9 years ago

    i like it for the pirates, but i’ll admit to undervaluing relievers.

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    • rikersbeard

      9 years ago

      because you can buy them every offseason.

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      • Oscar Santana

        9 years ago

        And they’re some of the most “temperamental” players in the game. One year they’re unhittable the next they’re getting demolished. The really good ones are the ones that stay on one team for a long time.

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  25. bigpat

    9 years ago

    What gives? This move is dumb. I thought they were done trying to acquire guys like Snider who’ve performed for years in the minors yet disappointed when they came up in the bigs. Where do they play him now or do they keep him in the minors? Lincoln was a very good piece, probably the best reliever in the entire pen and a potential starter, they should have used him to get something better than Snider. I will hope for the best with Snider but my initial reaction is very disappointing.

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    • coachL

      9 years ago

      Snider will immediately start somewhere in the outfield. He has 3 homeruns in his last 9 games for the Jays. I still don’t know how to react to this one, but I will say one thing, NICE AVATAR

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    • Todd Smith

      9 years ago

      He will replace Presley in the outfield. That’s a good thing.

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  26. sharenski

    9 years ago

    I don’t understand

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  27. Daniel Han

    9 years ago

    What…..

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  28. Dev0

    9 years ago

    Ya know for a guy who has never done much in Toronto he was a fan fav because of his massive potential, the issue of course is he destroys the minors and comes up and looks completely lost. This trade might not look good in a few years, but I’m not sure Snider can reach his potential in Toronto he needs a new start. I wish him luck as a pirate.

    On the other hand Lincoln was a target of several other teams, this could be part of a flip it is hard to say.

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    • rikersbeard

      9 years ago

      new start? He hasn’t even received anything close to a consistent set of ABs at the major league level.

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    • Jim C

      9 years ago

      I was thinking that. Do you think the Phillies and Jays make a deal? Amaro really liked Lincoln.

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      • PHILAbeatdown

        9 years ago

        Im a phillies fan and there is no possible trade that will happen between them and the blue jays. Who could the phillies trade them that they want??? We have overpaid players or players that will be free agents next season. If anything maybe the pirates got snider to flip to us for maybe victorino but thats a long shot. Or maybe pence. But I dont see anything happening with the pirates now cause lincoln most certsinly would have been a trade chip for pence…

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        • Jim C

          9 years ago

          I’m a Phillies fan too. What we have to offer is Victorino and Pence. Now that AA just traded Thames they will need an OF and it’s odd that he just keep stacking up his bullpen if he’s not going to flip any of them. But the Jays may not be partners as you said. Though the Pirates aren’t totally done since in the other post it said they were looking for a RH bat still. Now with the addition of Snider, they could be more open to trading a guy like Marte, who is the guy the Phillies wanted all along for Pence.

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  29. Lunchbox45

    9 years ago

    6.08 era as a starter in 12 starts this year, he’s not even better than anyone on the current staff, including the former shell of Romero.

    Seriously what was the point of this.

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  30. oseebhai

    9 years ago

    I think this is a wake-up call to many of us Jays fans who overvalue our own guys…

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    • TheodoreRoosevelt

      9 years ago

      Most probably feel like they haven’t had a real opportunity to fairly evaluate Snider.

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  31. coreyH

    9 years ago

    AA gets grade F this season. He’s definitely on crack.

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    • coachL

      9 years ago

      Can Snider play RF? Marte is locked into LF for the next 6 years.

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      • snowles

        9 years ago

        Snider can play all 3 OF positions, but is stronger at the corners. For a bulky guy he can move quite well.

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        • nepp

          9 years ago

          How good is his arm?

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          • Lunchbox45

            9 years ago

            plus arm, not amazing, but he’s got a good cannon

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          • ice_hawk10

            9 years ago

            wouldn’t call it great, but he mostly gets it on target, which is better than most guys do. having a great arm in RF is a little overrated imo, too many teams sacrifice range for arm and come out with an overall negative. so yes i think snider can play there.

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      • Todd Smith

        9 years ago

        Marte should be playing in RF with that cannon he has for an arm.

        Actually, he should probably be starting in CF, but I can understand why they don’t want to mess with Cutch.

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  32. Andruw Jones

    9 years ago

    I like this trade for the Pirates. does this mean Correia is staying?

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  33. psunate77

    9 years ago

    So Pirates are sellers

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    • melonis_rex

      9 years ago

      no they’re not. trading from a position of strength to fill a position of weakness improves their team.

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  34. Douglas Byrd

    9 years ago

    Jays fans should be very happy. Lincoln is one hell of a reliever, with a super aggressive attitude and great stuff this year. Could be a closer for years.

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    • nepp

      9 years ago

      He’s had a good to great year so far but relievers are ridiculously inconsistent. He was pretty terrible the two years prior to this one. Moving to the AL East and the general inconsistency of relief pitchers? Gotta chalk this one up as a risky move for AA to make.

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      • Douglas Byrd

        9 years ago

        Good point about the division change. But all the more reason for the Jays to need bullpen help. Both sides take on big risk: Lincoln was considered the go to guy moving forward for the next 5 years.

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        • nepp

          9 years ago

          I agree…it is a very interesting move for both GMs to make.

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  35. AP

    9 years ago

    No!!!! Not #LunchBoxHero!!!

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    • Lunchbox45

      9 years ago

      womp womp

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  36. Jamie Sayer

    9 years ago

    Wilner says that it could be for a Garza deal, twit-twat explodes.

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  37. Guest

    9 years ago

    This is a great deal for Toronto. They have power to spare but pitching will be key during the stretch run and Brad Lincoln is no slouch. I think he’ll do quite well.

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    • Guest

      9 years ago

      And oh yeah, Lincoln can start for you too in a pinch. I know he’s started at least a few times this year and had pretty decent success. Snider may never be that great.

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  38. AP

    9 years ago

    When did AA start being a terrible GM? Maybe he should just go back to selling
    every deadline. He was good at that. Eventually we’d have enough value
    that he couldn’t possibly screw it up, right?

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  39. AP

    9 years ago

    Maybe AA should just go back to selling every deadline. He was good at that.

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  40. Sky14

    9 years ago

    Snider has been a AAAA player up to this point, but if his game does ever translate to the big leagues he could be an outstanding player. To risk only a 27 year old pitcher who hasn’t had success as a starter is a great gamble for the Pirates.

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    • rikersbeard

      9 years ago

      He’s never had consistent playing time.

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  41. Jaysfan724

    9 years ago

    Shi Davidi – “Jays have control of Lincoln through 2018, Snider under control through 2016. Lincoln fourth overall in 2006, Snider went 10 picks later”

    Sounds Brandon Morrow-esque…a guy who is getting shuffled back and forth from starter and reliever. Has lights out stuff this year out of the pen, lets see where a consistent starting role takes him.

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    • coachL

      9 years ago

      Who is the Jays closer this year? Because Lincoln could be your closer for the next 6 years if he keeps up what he has been doing in relief this year.

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      • rikersbeard

        9 years ago

        We have a closer who has been lights out. And traded for a different one last off-season.

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      • Jaysfan724

        9 years ago

        Maybe…at this point who knows what his role will be. I assume a reliever for now, but this and the Happ trade gives the Jays rotation and bullpen options.

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  42. Chris Vinnit

    9 years ago

    With Marte and Snider, the Bucs OF of the future is set. I’m gonna miss Lincoln, he’s a potential All-Star caliber closer (pretty mediocre as a starter though) but you can find relievers. Getting a young OF with Snider’s potential for him straight up is a pretty sweet deal.

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  43. Michael_Jordan

    9 years ago

    So.. PIT slowly making up for that Joeybats trade?

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    • BeenThereDoneIt

      9 years ago

      Yeah. Very slowly. Maybe in the next 50 years or so they can make up for trading Bautista for a backup catcher that they dfa’ed

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  44. Andruw Jones

    9 years ago

    I’ve always like Snider so i think this may work out for the Pirates. Does this mean Correia is staying?

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    • Chris Vinnit

      9 years ago

      I don’t think NH is worrying about Correia right now. He’s a mediocre #5 starter, I don’t expect people are beating down his door for a trade. He’d be lucky to get a PTBNL for KC. Given Jmac’s struggles, I’d rather put KC back in the rotation and give him a couple starts off.

      The player the Snider trade most impacts IMO is Jose Tabata. It looks like Marte-Cutch-Snider is going to be our starting OF next year. Hopefully we can swap Tabata for something rather than just giving him away.

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  45. Scott

    9 years ago

    Pirate fan here: Brad Lincoln leads the MLB in bullpen ERA. He’s got a 95 mph fastball, and a nasty curve, but needs to develop his changeup more to become an effective starter. He’s been nasty in a relief role. There was rumblings in town that the Bucs should deal Hanrahan and insert Lincoln into the 9th inning. He’ll be valuable for the Jays for many years. Pirates will probably recall Doug Slaten, who has something like a 0.40 ERA in AAA

    I don’t know enough about Snider. A “prospectish” player that has yet to prove himself at the MLB level, despite his potential, isn’t exactly the guy to help the team make a push this season.

    That being said, I think the Pirates will fade a bit down the stretch, but still finish above .500. I think the front office is aware of this situation and is looking to build toward the future. Seems like a pretty fair swap.

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    • Todd Smith

      9 years ago

      This is one of those weird trades where just a cursory glance at the stats make both sides feel a little disappointed, but digging a little deeper both sides are getting good players here.

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      • notsureifsrs

        9 years ago

        nope. the pirates just blue jay’d the blue jays

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      • YanksFanSince78

        9 years ago

        Maybe this is a precursor to another trade for the Pirates? Maybe they flip Snider and a prospect for something else?

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  46. Trav G

    9 years ago

    Hopefully this turns out like the Brian Giles trade way back when. Might be a great trade for the Pirates, but…..A)I was hoping for a big bat that would make more of an immediate impact, not sure if that’s the case for Snider and B) Lincoln could still turn out to be a very good pitcher. I doubt the Jays traded for him with using him as a MR in mind.

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  47. Joe Young

    9 years ago

    I’m a Reds fan and I’m not sure why you would trade Lincoln for a player that’s hitting .247? And Wandy trade didn’t make since to me either if you want to win so badly why would you go get players like you have picked up? Confused!!

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    • Trav G

      9 years ago

      Wandy was a pretty good pick up. He’s a hellva lot better than Coriea and Snider is a “big” bat, who has some power, which the Pirates need. If it’s enough to catch the Reds, not sure.

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    • coachL

      9 years ago

      Snider only has 34 at bats this year. That average is part of a very very very small sample size. And he is only 24 years old. Not saying I love the deal, but he does have 3 hrs in those 34 abs. Again, small sample size. But a left handed power hitter might abuse that short Clemente wall in RF at PNC Park

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    • Todd Smith

      9 years ago

      Wait until you see Snider hit at Great American Ballpark this weekend. All will become clear.

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  48. AP

    9 years ago

    For a trade that happened at 12:30pm EST, where both these teams play, this thread sure filled up quick.

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    • rikersbeard

      9 years ago

      Jays just finished playing in SEA.

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  49. coachL

    9 years ago

    Morosi reports Bucs still looking for an OF bat (though he says right handed). But maybe Snider gets flipped to Cleveland in a package for Choo. Its been said that the Indians are lookiing for an MLB player with under 3 years of service time. I think Snider fits that description

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    • Scott

      9 years ago

      Excellent point

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    • Trav G

      9 years ago

      No way in hell do I want Choo…

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    • Jim C

      9 years ago

      Or Phils for Pence since there were rumors that they wanted Marte

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    • Douglas Byrd

      9 years ago

      I was thinking that as well. I wouldn’t be surprised if he is flipped for a more ready bat.

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    • Greatone1210

      9 years ago

      I actually would like to keep Snider. If we could package Presley, Correia, Tabata, and Hanrahan we could get an impressive return. I really don’t mind not making a huge playoff run this year, just have a winning season. The future is bright. But with the package I just mentioned, imagine the AA and AAA guys we could get. Hanrahan alone brings two above average prospects. We could use another SP and either a SS or a 1B.

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    • mlbscout6

      9 years ago

      now THAT, would be a great move for the Pirates. I’m not convinced that NH is good enough to pull that off tho.

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  50. Joshua Newell

    9 years ago

    Snider’s career BA: .247
    Lincoln’s career BA: .243

    Even if Lincoln doesn’t pan out we didn’t lose much. You people don’t know who Brad Lincoln is. This guy is a stud. You are falling prisoner of the moment with Snider. His trade value might have never been higher. Marisnick will be up in a couple years and will be way better than Snider in my opinion.

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    • Lunchbox45

      9 years ago

      your opinion also uses batting average.

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  51. Lunchbox45

    9 years ago

    Welp, file this under Francisco for Napoli.

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    • oseebhai

      9 years ago

      Calm down, Snider hasn’t really put it all together yet, his K rate is still high and all, and we got a pitcher that the pirates fan love and is under control till 2018 with some potential. I’m not exactly loving it, but put the wrist cutters away for now.

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      • Joshua Newell

        9 years ago

        I do love it. You have to give value to get value. Snider was as valuable as I think he will ever be. And AA recognized it and flipped for a shutdown pitcher. Its a good deal for us in my opinion.

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      • Dom

        9 years ago

        if he really is a strikeout machine, then the Pirates may lose this deal after all. Lincoln has put his stuff together nicely since last season and shows signs of progress still. the Pirates already have strikeout machines (see Alvarez, Pedro)

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      • nepp

        9 years ago

        Lincoln’s fastball sucks but his curveball is a pretty good out pitch. His changeup is decent too.

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      • Lunchbox45

        9 years ago

        at the end of the day, we brought in a redundant piece.

        if you aren’t going to bring in a front line starter, then just don’t do anything. This team is no better off with davis is lf and lincoln starting then cecil starting and snider in lf

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        • oseebhai

          9 years ago

          Maybe AA believes that isn’t the case? We rag on Davis but he does a decent job, not great but Snider has never been great. We undervalue bullpen pieces quite a bit as well, even if he doesn’t make it as a starter, a back-end reliever is not that easy to find. Jansenn, Santos, Oliver, and Lincoln = quite the BP for 2013. And maybe AA and his scouts see that he’s got his stuff together and could potentially start too, i don’t know. I think a big thing is that he’s under control till 2018.

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          • rikersbeard

            9 years ago

            In small 2012 sample size, and over there careers, Snider has been better both offensively and defensively.

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          • rikersbeard

            9 years ago

            bullpen’s can be bought/assembled in the offseason.

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            • oseebhai

              9 years ago

              That’s what we say every year…and every year our BP is terrible.

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              • rikersbeard

                9 years ago

                but that’s false. Maybe that is the lasting impression you have because of Kevin Gregg, but the bullpen has actually not been that bad over the last ten years.

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                • oseebhai

                  9 years ago

                  Perhaps…but our FA BP adventures have not turned out well, even in AA’s era and after Gregg. I dunno man, I’m trying to reason it out, AA must have a better idea of what he’s doing.

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  52. ice_hawk10

    9 years ago

    wow… i’m not sure what to make of this. I assume the jays think lincoln can start and the pirates think snider can play full time.

    lincoln never missed many bats as a starter, but has been impressive in doing so as a reliever. i dunno about this one… snider has red flags too, including the huge strikeout rate and the inability to hit lefties. but then again he is much younger. as a jays fan, this trade makes me uneasy.

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  53. PursueYourDream

    9 years ago

    People need to realize that although the Pirates are making a playoff run so far this year, they arent going to go all in this year. Still planning for the future as well as helping the current team. Young lefty power hitter for a decent spot starter or bullpen guy. Great trade for the Bucco’s. Glad they arent trading for worthless rental players. End the losing streak and continue to build a dynasty. #dreambig

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  54. Jamie Sayer

    9 years ago

    ”
    Shi Davidi
    ‏@ShiDavidi

    Farrell says Lincoln will pitch out of bullpen.”

    Well, at least he has good ERA out of the pen. AND GOOD RIDDANCE THAMES.

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  55. Michael_Jordan

    9 years ago

    only time will tell. will snider live up to his potential? will lincoln transition into a reliable starter like morrow?

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    • BeenThereDoneIt

      9 years ago

      One thing everyone needs to remember is that the Blue Jays’ assistant GM lives in Pitts. At the very least, he has seen Lincoln alot, so that may have something to do with the trade.

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  56. michael hughes

    9 years ago

    Oddly enough I really like this move. I’ve seen Lincoln pitch some this year and he’s looked miles ahead of anything he’s shown in the past. I actually wouldn’t be too surprised if both players helped their new clubs.

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  57. Todd Smith

    9 years ago

    Wonder where Snider will fit into the lineup? Although it’s obviously a very small sample size, but his .856 OPS so far this year is now 3rd highest on the Pirates roster behind only McCutchen and McKenry (of all people).

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    • Chris Vinnit

      9 years ago

      Probably a #2 (where he’ll benefit from Cutch hitting after him) or #5 spot. Basically similar to how they switch Walker from those two spots. Problem with Walker is he doesn’t hit for enough power so that’s probably one of the big reasons they were willing to give up such a big chip in order to get a guy with big time power potential.

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  58. Esteban Castellanos

    9 years ago

    Blue Jays are not going to be happy about this one, but only because they overvalue Travis Snider. LunchBox has been a fan favourite since he arrived as the youngest player in the AL back in 2008.

    He was ranked as the 6th best prospect in baseball before the ’09 season. He was mishandled by the Jays, being thrown into the majors way too early and then jerked back and forth never being able to just work on the huge holes in his swing that he still can’t shake.

    What made the Jays dream of Snider was his power potential. He can hit the ball as hard as anyone, he just doesn’t make enough contact for it to be effective. He’s going to strike out well over 120 times in a full season, while walking only a modest amount.

    His D was a big question early on but he was able to develop into a very
    good defensive outfielder, who can play all 3 spots more than capably. Unfortunately Snider is still a long term project and might never reach the promise he flashed 4 years ago.

    Anthopoulos has shown that, unlike the rest of the Jays fans, he is not a fan of Snider. Before spring training he gave the job to Eric Thames, who’s always been projected as a 4th outfielder. After a great spring training by Snider he still sent him down to Las Vegas. The most obvious display that AA had no faith in Snider was when Bautista went down and they brought up Anthony Gose instead of him.

    With all of that when Snider did finally get called up I knew, and probably every other GM in the league knew, that it was just a short showcase and a deadline deal. His trade value was low but they were never going to give him the playing time that fans wanted.

    Sorry to break this to you Jays Fans, but this is the best we could realistically expect in return for the ONCE great Travis Snider.

    I’m curious to see how the Jays plan to use Lincoln. If they see him as more relief for an exhausted bullpen or do they envision Brandon Morrow 2.0.

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    • notsureifsrs

      9 years ago

      he

      is

      24

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  59. Lunchbox45

    9 years ago

    Are they buying? are they selling? seems like all the deals are redundant.

    9 players traded away, 5 returning and the team isn’t any better?

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    • rikersbeard

      9 years ago

      not better yet…. maybe soon?

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      • Lunchbox45

        9 years ago

        that’s a lot of posturing

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    • AP

      9 years ago

      The team is “better” short-term, but much worse long-term.
      I’m confused as to why we’re going for it this season.

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  60. R.D.

    9 years ago

    Maybe we’ve got the next Hamilton for Volquez deal on our hands, both these guys have great potential. I’d love to see what happens if the Jays try to convert Lincoln back into a starter.

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  61. swing1

    9 years ago

    I’m going to miss Snider.

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    • rikersbeard

      9 years ago

      maybe tomorrow should be a day of mourning and BBQ.

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  62. max

    9 years ago

    Maybe Neil Huntington is trying to swap Snider for Pence or Choo?? Remember when AA traded for Edwin Jackson last year and everyone said he was a fool, and then a few hours later shipped him to St. Louis for Colby Rasmus??

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  63. max

    9 years ago

    The only way this makes sense to me is if Neil Huntington swaps Snider for either Choo or Pence. I think Snider fits the “controllable 3 years of service time” the Indians are looking for. Remember when AA traded for Edwin Jackson last season and everyone said he was a fool?? Then a couple hours later he swapped him for Colby Rasmus?? Maybe Neil Huntington has the same thing in mind??

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    • AP

      9 years ago

      Just about every Jays fan believes this is the worst trade of Anthopoulous’ career.
      So consider that when judging this trade.

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  64. Bluejaysnation

    9 years ago

    Great trade. Never was a Snider fan and I think his time in Toronto was wearing thin. Jay’s get a great arm that can potentially become the closer or setup. Possibly starter.

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  65. DempseyK

    9 years ago

    This trade has me confused…why trade for a AAAA guy in the middle of a pennant race when it costs you one of your best bullpen arms? This is not the time of year to be trading away proven assets for unproven one. So far, Neal gets an all aound failing grade from me for this deadline.

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    • Todd Smith

      9 years ago

      How would you feel if the Pirates traded Starling Marte away for a 27 year old middle reliever? Excited?

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  66. formerdraftpick

    9 years ago

    I think the Pirates could have leveraged Lincoln and a few prospects for a bigger named and consistent player. Potential doesn’t equal results. I think this is a win for the Blue Jays.

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    • Todd Smith

      9 years ago

      Bigger name doesn’t equal better player. I’d much rather have Snider for the next 4 years than Victorino or Pence.

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      • formerdraftpick

        9 years ago

        That’s what we thought about Brandon Wood last year.

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        • Alex Henry

          9 years ago

          We claimed Wood off waivers though there is a difference

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  67. vjo23

    9 years ago

    I love how both Jays fans and Pirates fans think this is horrible deal.

    I admit I’m a Jays fan and at first glance, I thought this was joke too.
    Hard to view these kinds of trades without the homer, man-crush goggles on.

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  68. Smrtbusnisman04

    9 years ago

    Travis Snider better have an ops over .900 the rest of the way. Lincoln is a promising set-up man.

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    • AP

      9 years ago

      .900 OPS is a fair expectation for Snider. Potential to get hot and reach 1.000.

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  69. bigpat

    9 years ago

    I don’t understand what Blue Jays fans were expecting to get from an outfielder who’s never accomplished anything in the majors in three years. Regardless of his potential, his trade value diminished each passing year that he didn’t have major league success. It’s like the Maple Leafs fans who always overvalue their bad players and seem to think a package of Komisarek, Kadri, and Kulemin can acquire any player on the block.

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  70. jacks100

    9 years ago

    Talk about selling low. This is an awful trade for the Jays.

    Who plays LF now?

    Gose clearly isn’t ready. Rajai Davis is an FA at the end of the year and is more of a 4th outfielder on a competitive squad. And the Jays have shown they’re afraid to spend money in the offseason.

    Brad Wilkerson, dust your cleats off.

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  71. Alex

    9 years ago

    I don’t understand how Pirate fans think this is a bad trade. If you like Starling Marte, Snider is the same age and has better MiLB stats. Bullpen arms are a dime a dozen, not to mention that Lincoln has a low BABIP and a 99.7% LOB%, so he’ll likely regress shortly.

    What I also don’t get is why AA traded for Brad Lincoln. He’s not going to be a starter, in fact that ship sailed a long time ago, and I didn’t know that teams still overvalue closers/ set up men.

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  72. Brian_Bixler

    9 years ago

    Though I do see where Snider can be a future All-Star, I would’ve thought the Pirates could’ve gotten somebody a bit more established than him for Lincoln. Lincoln was one of our top relievers among the most effective in the National League.

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  73. Zico

    9 years ago

    This is one of those trades you just can’t judge immediately due to the youth of the players involved. Give it a year or two before you try to figure out who won. Both players have upside for their respective teams.

    Also, saw someone comment about Wandy is better than Correia. At this moment, I feel like Correia is better than Bedard. I’m not sure Correia is going to get traded, for back-up reasons.

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  74. Alex Henry

    9 years ago

    my problem is NH always goes after the previously high regarded prospect who is not as thought of highly as he once was he is another example we will see but honestly same story with Andrew Lambo, Lastings Milledge, Brandon Wood, Andy Laroche, Brandon Moss and now Snider time will tell but his story seems so similar to Milledges rushed threw the system and now at 26 Milledge is in Japan…

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  75. st1300b

    9 years ago

    I’ll refrain from grading this trade (personally I love it) but instead say that with the Pirates competing for the playoffs and the significance of Neal Huntington trading away prospects and quality major leaguer – that these two deals of Lincoln/Snider / Wandy / prospects could possibly define Neal as a GM when we look back someday.
    Was this a genius move, or awful – where do we finish end of season?

    I think Wandy and Travis are upgrades to this roster and that’s the ultimate goal when you make a transaction.

    I like Travis to be compared to Pedro Alvarez actually, careerwise and as a potential 30 HR guy, and currently a 5-7 hitter for the lineup.

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