The Marlins seek a Mark Teixeira-like package for Josh Johnson, Jon Heyman reported yesterday. In other words, Miami seeks at least three good young pieces for the right-hander. The Blue Jays are pursuing Johnson and the Rangers, Angels and Orioles also appear to have interest. Here's the latest, with the most recent items up top:
- The Red Sox don't appear to be in on Johnson, as Peter Abraham of the Boston Globe (Twitter link) hears that Miami's asking price is "way more than [the Sox] would be willing to meet."
- "The Marlins are leaving no doubt that they intend to trade" their ace, tweets USA Today's Bob Nightengale. The Rangers are among those "still heavy" in pursuit of Johnson.
- There's lots of debate in front offices over Johnson's availability, ESPN.com's Jerry Crasnick writes (Twitter links). One GM says the Marlins "want a ton" for Johnson, but Crasnick suggests the Marlins would move the right-hander under the right circumstances.
- The Marlins are asking for each team's top two or three prospects in trade scenarios involving Johnson, Crasnick adds (Twitter links). It'd take Jurickson Profar–Travis d'Arnaud types to get talks moving and "a lot more" after that.
This feels like a word for word rewrite of the one yesterday.
They may not get an offer like that, but I surely hope the Royals (who are desperate for a top-notch SP) or someone who has the ammunition overpays.
How bout Hosmer, Gordon, Broxton, an next years number one supplemental draft pick for Johnson, and Morrison.
lol, wont happen.
I don’t think the Marlins would do that.
So basically the right circumstances to get JJ is if you give a ton? That didn’t add anything we could have assumed for ourselves.
The Marlins are not trading JJ. He may only be 85-90% of his old self but he is still an ace and still has upside as displayed in his last start. His contract is manageable and the Marlins have admitted they still want to *try* and win this year. They just acquired two young SP prospects and have Jose Fernandez, an ace in the making in the minors a year or two out.
The offense is the main culprit of their struggles…not the starting pitching. Notice i said STARTING pitching…
This just in….
Look..you can say it would be a bad move to trade JJ but to say it won’t happen seems silly at this point. These are the Marlins we are talking about. Nothing should shock you at this point.
If I were Jon Daniels, I’d tell them good luck and go somewhere else. Johnson is not worth that.
Michael Hill: We’re happy with keeping JJ good luck in the playoffs…
Justin Verlander (to rangers): That’s not the first time I’ve seen someone choke before.
“Justin Verlander (to rangers): That’s not the first time I’ve seen someone choke before.”
Yeah, he just needs to look in the mirror to see someone that choked in the postseason.
And in the All Star game.
Jim Palmer was awful in AS games also, but was money in the bank when it came to post season games.
AS game is still worthless/meaningless. Who cares about that supposed homefield. the middle games are still just as important as the 1st/last games of a series.
MLB AS game stands for absolutely nothing, except for which fans stuff the ballot box the most and always has. One of the most meaningless events in all of sports, yet fans for some reason watch it and pay good money to attend it and all the hype it represents.
Marlins should just take Olt and ask the rangers to take JJ’s contract off their hands.
marlins wont eat any of johnson contract, thats a given.
Just Olt? Insane. Please consult Olt’s age, level of play and K rate and reconsider.
Let’s see who had Olt-like K rates at Olt’s age… Curtis Granderson, Nick Swisher, Mark Teixeira…
So you go with exceptions and not the norms? OK. My point was is that he still has a major issue and he hasn’t even played above AA yet coupled with the fact that he’s at an advanced age (turns 24 in August) playing against much younger talent.
I go with 3 everyday players currently on your favorite team’s roster. Both Granderson and Swisher had Olt-ish K rates in AA-AAA.
The fact that they are Yankees is meaningless to me. I still say that there are FAR more prospects with 20+% KO issues at the AA or below level that fail to be superstars at the mlb level than there are that succeed. I’m not even sure if that’s worth an argument.
Just as you run those 3 names out there I can say Shelly Duncan, Cody Ransom and Shane Spencer. All were great power hitters with good walk rates in the lower minors and struggled above AA.
Hopefully the Rangers are smart enough to walk away from any trade talks involving Jurickson. Of course he is the Rangers property, but I would be very disappointed if the brass thinks any trade involving him would be good for the organization.
This is for rangers fan do you trade Profar almost straight up for JJ or ZG im just asking because he is road blocked with Elvis Andrus unless they move him it might not be enough so maybe another prospect or 2 out of the top 20 because either way Profar is gold and the other team will win but is it worth it for the win now over the top after they came short back to back years i cheer for the rangers they are my 2nd favorite team im just asking what you think?
I wouldnt give up Profar or Olt for JJ or ZG. Zack is a free agent and Josh has a long line of injury concerns.
What is wrong with:
1B – Olt
2B – Andrus
SS – Profair
3B – Beltre
Kinsler in the OF (Maybe CF)
no, Andrus is the face of the Rangers Franchise JD and Company will resign him before he ever reaches Free Agency, Profar will replace Kinsler at 2nd and Kinsler will replace Cruz in RF. I wouldn’t give up Olt either. People need to remember that Profar has already played several games at 2nd this year.
It doesnt really matter who plays where. Both Andrus and Profar will be playing the middle infeild positions. The arguement that i have heard is for Andrus to slide over to 2B allowing Profar to remain at SS. A position of comfort for him. My personal opinion, if you can play SS you surely can make a smooth transition to 2B. Afterall, the only differences are the double play turn, bunt coverages, and cut-off positioning.
somehow I doubt your name is Shawn Marion.
why? more than one person in the country cant have the same name? look me up on FB there is my picture…
Profar and a “lot more”?
Marlins would be dumb to not jump on a straight up Johnson/Profar swap, not that it would ever be offered.
Jj not worth a Profar…
the marlins are definately in dream land if they think they can do/get a mark teixeira type deal. so are all of the other teams looking for that type of deal. nothing agains dreaming but reality has to set in somewhere. it makes me wonder why the marlins even offered josh johnson for trade when they wanted their cake and eat it too.
So the Marlins would expect a deal of D’arnaud, Gose and Sanchez for JJ PLUS take his contract? LOL! That’s laughable. Have fun losing in Miami JJ!
When Teixeira was traded, he had back to back years of 162 games, while doing exceptional at the plate. His .283/.368/.533 153HR, 499 RBI in 4 1/2 years in Texas shows how dominant he was.
JJ has only touched 200+ innings ONE time, and has missed SIGNIFICANT time 3 of the last 6 seasons.
If Teixeira had missed significant playing time when traded to the Braves, you could easily take Beau Jones, and 2 of Feliz, Andrus, and Harrison out of the trade. Any comparison of JJ to Teixeira needs to stop.
I don’t think anyone is disagreeing with you….
I’d take Arencibia if I had to, I mean he’s part Cuban and from Miami so we’ll probably trade just JJ for him.
Except now he has a broken hand and is out 4-6 weeks…
They realize tony reagins isn’t GM’ing anymore right?
Good ol’ Tony would give up Richards, Segura, Bourjos, Cron, Conger and INSIST on not only receiving Carlos Zambrano as well but relieving the Cubs of paying the remainder of his salary.
It’s obvious to see what the Marlins are doing. They don’t want to trade JJ unless they are blown away, which is what they are asking other teams to do. A team like the Royals or Orioles is more likely to do that than the Jays or Rangers. Highly unlikely JJ is moved, which I think they’ll come to regret.
So, the jays top prospect and a lot more for an inconsistent injury machine with declining stuff having an average year. Yah,,,, ok
People are really overreacting here. The Marlins are asking for SUCH a HIGH return because they do NOT want to trade him. It’s a win-win for the Marlins. If they trade him, they get a HUGE return and if they don’t, they still have their ace.
But their “ace” is being out-pitched by their deuce AND their tres… and quatro is right on his tail…
*IF* the Rangers were healthy, he’d be their #5 starter.
Doesn’t matter if he’s being outperformed, he is still their most talented pitcher when healthy, that’s not arguable. And *IF* JJ is healthy, he would be the Rangers #2 at worst. #5 lol, he’s better than Holland at least.
Holland is 3-0 3.82 ERA in the post season. The Rangers are looking for a difference maker, and JJ is just too risky to be defined by those terms. I’d rather Texas keep their prospects and put Ogando in that spot.
If I were a Ranger fan, I’d agree. Don’t mortgage the future for JJ.
So you go by 3 starts in the post season? geesshhh.
but he hasn’t been healthy in years, so he’s not an ace.
209 IP in 2009, 183 IP in 2010 and on pace for about 175 IP this year.
Since 2009 he is 60th in innings pitched, again not ace like. Here are pitchers I consider aces: Justin Verlander, Felix Hernandez, CC Sabathia, Roy Halladay (though if he pitches like he has so far this year for rest of year wouldn’t consider him ace anymore), Zach Greinke, Cliff Lee, and Clayton Kershaw.
You have Grienke with the rest of those guys? if you subtract his Cy year he looks like a #2 at best…also did very poorly in the post season and has had health issues as well. he hasnt thrown CGs in a while either. and he can be poor on the road. Im not trying to say JJ is better or worse than him, but the guys on your list are Aces. 200+ innings, complete games, losing streak busters and such. Grienke is an ace on a team with a weak pitching staff but he wouldnt be on TEX or even on the Angels now.
Absolutley Greinke is with that group, he has routinely had his numbers hurt by playing behind bad defenses in KC and Milwaukee. Here are Greinke’s numbers since 09 compared to the other 7. IP: 7th FIP: 1rst, xFIP: 2nd (behind Roy Halladay, WAR: 5th (behind Verlander, Lee, Halladay, and king Felix), K/9: 3rd (behind verlander and kershaw), BB/9: 3rd (behind Halladay and Lee). The only area Greinke really doesn’t belong is the innings, but he is barely behind Kershaw and not too far behind Lee, he makes up for it by ranking so high in many categories.
No Weaver?
You could make an argument for Weaver and Cain as well, though I barely have them out
That’s why they are not trading him…all rumors.
Asking for a teams “top two or three prospects” seems kind of arbitrary. Considering every system has different depth at the top. And for the Pirates you would be talking about Cole, Taillon, and most likely Hanson now that Marte is up. No way is JJ worth that return. Top two or three seems pretty vague at best?
In reality, if the Marlins wanted this type of deal for JJ, they should have taken the Rangers reported offer a couple years ago. I forget what it was but it was pretty substantial from what I remember.
The Marlins are crazy…. Jurickson Profar?? hahaha thats a joke.
Not sure how it’s crazy. They aren’t expecting anyone to give in, but if they do, they come away huge winners.
Ok, Optimistic Marlins fan.
Never argue with an optimistic Marlins fan
Keep JJ.
I understand that Johnson is controlled the extra year and all but the guy is not exactly at top value performance wise, and would be moving to a more difficult league and more homer friendly ballpark. Miami can’t seriously want this much.
My guess is he goes to Rangers for Olt, Ogando and one of the 20 year old ss Rangers have in A ball
Horrible trade for the Rangers… I wouldn’t trade Ogando straight up for JJ with his shoulder and dip in velocity.
Thank god you have no control in Texas!
Pressure is on Rangers, If not Ogando I think the Fish would require a pitcher off mlb roster.
If they won’t trade Olt for Greinke no way they trade him for Johnson.
I wouldn’t trade Profar straight up for Johnson… let alone our top 3 prospects (Profar+ Perez+ Olt) if this report is true…
I wouldn’t even give up Perez + Olt for Johnson with his shoulder issues and drop in velocity.
Profar could easily be Roberto Alomar with more power.
Olt is a lot like Travis Fryman (former Gold Glover and Silver Slugger and converted SS).
Martin Perez is a lot like Jaime Garcia and CJ Wilson with his velocity, movement, breaking ball, and off speed combinations.
Johnson wouldn’t have been worth that in 2009-2010 when he was among the most dominant pitchers in baseball, let alone now when he has lingering shoulder issues (the most damning injury any pitcher could have is to his shoulder).
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I’d give them Leury Garcia, Julio Borbon, Cody Buckel, Luke Jackson, and Kevin Matthews for Josh Johnson and Chris Coghlan.
That gives them a starting caliber 2B and CF plus two B level RH starting pitchers and a B level LHP.
This is reminding me of last year when the Mets wanted a “top prospect” for Beltran and everyone was saying they are asking for too much and they will never get it. The Mets ended up getting a top prospect for a mid 30 outfielder who is injury prone, so why cant the marlins get the same with a younger pitcher who has an extra year in his contract.
They want FIVE ‘top’ prospects (ie Mark Teixera package) NOT ONE!
The biggest issue i have here is apparently the Marlins dont want to try to resign him after next season. He has way too many injury concerns to really break the bank, unless he finishes very strong and competes for the Cy next season. Why not extend him now when his numbers dont look good and take the risk? When he is healthy and throwing on a downward plane he can be unhittable.
But i would love to get Olt fron the rangers and have the third base problem solved and a bat to compliment Stanton. How desperate will TEX be now that Zack has moved? They want bullpen help, what if we added a reliever to sweeten the deal? If JJ gets traded though everyone without a brain will freak out and yell FIRESALE even though if he were traded it would be totally worth it….especially for Olt who is legit