6:47pm: With Ramirez owed roughly $38.5MM for the remainder of his contract, rival executives say the Marlins would have to pick up a substantial portion of that money in any deal, reports Buster Olney of ESPN.com. As well, some teams think Ramirez is not a third baseman, though they might try him again at shortstop (Twitter links).
3:59pm: Though the Marlins are waiting for the Dodgers to show interest in Ramirez, no significant talks have taken place between the teams yet, Bob Nightengale of USA Today reports (on Twitter).
2:15pm: The Athletics, Dodgers, Blue Jays and Orioles are among the teams with interest in Hanley Ramirez, Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports reports (on Twitter). Interest levels in Ramirez vary and nothing is close, Rosenthal reports. The Red Sox are also interested, according to USA Today. However, Gordon Edes of ESPNBoston.com hears Boston isn't in on Ramirez (Twitter link).
An American League official told Barry Jackson of the Miami Herald that the Marlins' asking price for Hanley Ramirez is "not ridiculous." Miami wants quality young pieces in return for Ramirez, who earns $15MM in 2012, $15.5MM in 2013 and $16MM in 2014. The infielder does not have no-trade protection.
Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com suggests the A's, Dodgers, Red Sox, Giants, Pirates, Blue Jays and Orioles are potential fits for Ramirez. Earlier today, Dave Cameron of FanGraphs suggested Toronto could be a fit because Rogers Centre is a haven for right-handed power hitters. Though I have no doubt the Blue Jays checked in on Ramirez, they routinely inquire in available players, so this isn't necessarily an indication of serious interest.
I hope one of the A’s, O’s or Jays swing a deal for HRam
2006-2010 Hanley is a stud, 2011-present has been very average.. which one will show up
So.Much.Action.
FIRST!!!! …………..nah im joking I hate when people do that crap.. I hope the Dodgers can pull off the Hanley trade, would help at 3b even though they might play him at SS and move Cruz to 3b.
except that you werent first
Whats interesting was that that when I posted it, there was no other posts. Lagging computer, oh well. FAIL
I will give anything to see a lack of Red Sox-Hanley rumors.
He’s not much when he’s off the juice.
Where have you read that he was on the juice?
You asked for it.
sports.espn.go.com/mlb/spring2009/columns/story?co…
“And now, just when it looked as though Ramirez couldn’t get any better as a baseball player and couldn’t look any better in a baseball uniform, he has added 25 pounds of muscle to his upper body. Now he is a sculpted 225 pounds, bigger and stronger than ever, and he is likely just as fast.”
25 pounds of muscle in 4 month, huh? Go figure 2009 was his best season too. If this doesnt spell it out, I’m not sure what does.
I’ll take actual evidence for 200, Trebek!
for a professional athlete who eats a professionally designed diet and exercises intensely with a specialized routine, that’s not really uncommon. his primary job during the offseason is to maintain his baseball skills and his body.
(Yes, I know I used the word “professional” too many times).
are you serious?
if i wasnt serious,I wouldnt of typed it. Look at the stats and the injury issues. Did anyone really verify that Brady Anderson was on the juice? What about Sosa? I guess they were clean too.
Of course, it is difficult to take someone seriously who says “wouldn’t of” instead of “wouldn’t have”.
you got me. doesnt change the fact that Hanley was on the juice.
Right, because any player in the history of the game who has struggled and suffered from injuries has been on steroids…
“And now, just when it looked as though Ramirez couldn’t get any better as a baseball player and couldn’t look any better in a baseball uniform, he has added 25 pounds of muscle to his upper body. Now he is a sculpted 225 pounds, bigger and stronger than ever, and he is likely just as fast.”
This was from a Tim K. article in 2009 on Hanley. 25 pounds in 4 months, huh? Check his 2009 season too. WOW, surprisingly his best season in the Majors.
Sorry, you’re right. I forgot that baseball players are guilty until proven innocent.
Wait, hang on a second… Oh, right. There is a way to build muscle that doesn’t have anything to do with steroids. It’s called a level of dedication to a healthy diet and intense exercise that normal people can’t even imagine.
Sorry, guy. I’m tired of every single player who puts on muscle being accused of using steroids. It’s a lazy man’s argument, and it’s a load of crap anyway. Aside from some new muscle, which can be packed on in several hundred completely legal ways, there is not a single shred of evidence out there that Hanley Ramirez ever used steroids. And despite what overzealous fans like yourself seem to believe, you’re innocent until proven guilty in this country.
But hey, if you want it to be the other way, fine. The next time you get a raise and buy yourself some nice new stuff, I hope the cops show up at your door and arrest you for insider trading or something like that, because there’s no other way you would have been able to afford that new car.
I liked the Upton for Hanley swap with peripheral pieces included
The Jays don’t need or want that lazy bum.
you would think you would be a little smarter and not buy in to the whole lack of desire argument.
Hanley’s a stud, and the dome would help rejuvinate him. . I’m not sure where they would play him but make no mistake, AA would love a player like him.
so now the jays would lose games 21-20? get some pitching
80% of their rotation down injured, and still hanging around.
pitching will come along just fine. and a win 21-20, is still a win
it simply means the jays do not need any more offence, no matter who they get they will not be a contender until they can get at least a league average pitching staff
sorry I edited after I understood what you were saying
i have argued this point so many times i am sick of it, besides morrow who I am a big fan of, the other “80Percent” was not good, the pitchers the jays have lost were not impact players
How is he still a stud? He has been bad for awhile. Very unstud-like for 2.5 seasons.
Toronto and the turf would be another place where his bat could maybe come back to life and IMO, Farrell would be a good manager for him. Now.. on the defensive end not so sure how well the field would be.. OUCH… His range isn’t exactly good at 3b anyway, he can throw just fine (or his arm is strong enough at least) but that’s a fairly fast IF that could give him fits.
The change of scenery overall though would probably do him good. Toronto IMO would be another good destination and agree.
the turf can make any fielder look like a gold glover… signed brett lawrie
and here come the angry jays fans to back up their wonder boy
Not really, you’re right to an extent. Its a very consistent playing surface which helps, but its also a lot tougher on the knees and ankles.
Lawrie has proven himself to be a very capable fielder at any stadium though, so you’re just trying to feel important by trying to get a reaction from a fanbase
lol i agree about the injury problems, i was more focused on the candy hops the turf provides, and I love bugging jays fans
you’re pretty transparent about it.
if you want to pick on lawrie i’d focus on his lack of power as opposed to his fielding.
if i was a jays fan i wouldn’t be worried about a 22 yr olds power
Turf makes it more difficult for the infielders if you have ever watched any games at RC. The unexpected bounce and how fast the ball slips by the infield only makes it more difficult for the infielders. Now going back to Lawire, he is absolutely amazing at 3B. Don’t believe it then go check some of the defensive metrics. He arguably has the best range amongst 3B in the league. It’s his first season, any footwork or throwing problems will likely imrpove as he matures.
first of all i have played infield on turf countless times, and you are extremely false, if your playing on it for the first time then yes its difficult, once u get use to it it is super easy. and I’m well aware that he is playing well, but maybe do some back round research on those numbers, if I was playing in shallow right as a third basemen I’m sure my range factor would be fabulous too
Those defensive metrics have been adjusted at fan graphs at least and Lawrie did lose some runs saved but he still is at the top of the list.
look at some other names on that list… Alfonso Soriano is the 5th best fielder in all of baseball?
Ok Lawrie is terrible. Maybee aA should trade him to get Cordero back.
alllls I’m saying is he is not as good (yet) as many jays fans insist that he is
Yes. At baserunning, OBP, OPS all need improvement. Defensively he more than adequate for his first full year.
i am 100% fine with that statement, I am talking about the fans that think he’s an AL MVP when he’s not even an all star
He plays that far out in the field cause of the shift on players…
is this a serious comment?? i am well aware of what is going on thanks
Because they tend to normalize over 2-3 seasons, defensive metrics are borderline useless for judging the quality of play by someone with as little experience as Lawrie. Admittedly, he’s good, but his range as shown by the metrics is skewed because of all the plays he’s been able to make out of the shift they play against left-handed hitters. Playing out of that shift, he gets to make plays that the shortstop usually makes…however, the metrics don’t account for the shift. They only measure that he was way out of his normal defensive range when he made the play.
I think the Rogers Center would help his career as far as hitting… it doesn’t take much to hit it over the left field fence, Johnny-Mac could lol and Hanley at SS over Escobar is a deal I’d take anyday. At least TOR can help Hanley get back into a groove as a hitter with his swing and approach, look at how many guys have made a good come back. Lind-Encarnacion-Snider-hell, even Rajai Davis hasn’t been terrible with 25+ steals so far.
Line up of…
Brett Lawrie
Colby Rasmus
Jose Bautista
Edwin Encarnacion
Adam Lind
Hanley Ramirez
J.P. Arencibia
Kelly Johnson
Travis Snider
Bench – Davis, Mathis, Visquel, Gose
That works for me…
Rotation…
Romero
Alvarez
Laffey
Villnaueva
Cecil
Morrow (for Cecil) when he’s back, and who knows next year… Drabek, Hutchinson back though Tommy John Surgery is pretty lame
Bullpen…
Oliver
Carpenter
Lyon
Loup (for now)
Happ
Frasor
Janssen
…
Meh, could be worse I guess…
They would most likely play him at SS and ship Yunel out (Oakland maybe?)
Billy Beane said he doesn’t need a shortstop so I’d think Arizona or the Marlins would be where Yunel might end up, if traded.
Sarcasm. Better off to look at Upton for LF.
Too much money and we have a ton of outfield prospects already…..
Yunel to Marlins for Hanley, plus prospects from the Jays… maybe? But Jays don’t need another SS if Hechavarria makes it to the Majors? What do you think Lunchbox? Who would you see going in a deal if one was even made?
AA would find room believe me lol
Dodgers probably the favorites. Can and will absorb the whole contract and probably willing to give up Lee since hitting is our greatest weakness.
Lee is barely worth Garza, what makes you think the Marlins will even consider him!?
Garza is much more valuable than Ramirez.
whaaaaaaaaaaat…?
I’d say they are close. Contracts being equal, Ramirez is worth more. But their contracts aren’t equal…
Because Lee is a solid SP prospect and the Marlins would shed a little over $30 mill in payroll over the next 2 yrs.
Personally, I think HanRam needs a change of scenery. He clearly does not work well with Guillen. I think Mattingly’s managing style could work better.
You are right on! I would consider this a higher priority than a starting pitcher.
your opinion seems to be completely unbiased.
You mean immaculate of any weighed opinions based on preference. Of course not. I don’t come on her to comment on the A’s chances. However, they would be the clear favorites if it wasn’t for Billy Beane’s propensity to build from within.
Beckett & Carl Crawford + Ryan Kalish/Lars Anderson for Hanley & Josh Johnson
you’d have to throw in a TON of cash to make that work.
Red sox should target reyes if anything.
I still wonder if they could make a Crawford for Reyes swap work (and I’m also still not sure if I would like the idea or not).
Terrrible trade for the Marlins.
lmao seriously. Boston fans are way over their heads.
I still wonder why Sox fans want more offense. Do you guys not watch the games? Our offense which has seen more than its share of injuries this year is still one of the tops in the game. The problem as been STARTING PITCHING. Unless Hanley or Reyes can pitch I don’t want the Sox wasting any prospects here.
Hanley has the tools to be the best player in baseball but apparently he doesn’t have the desire
if i were the dodgers i would try aquiring him since he can play third base for us or shortstop and move platoon cruz @ third with harriston
he would help out kemp and either in the middle of the lineup
Profound statement
There truly are multiple teams with *DIRE* situations at 3b and the LAD are one. Hard to see why they wouldn’t offer something small for him, they have to have something in that system the Fish would bite for and it’s not like Ramirez plays an Emilio Bonifacio quality 3b or anything.. Just close to it..
Think he could get something back with the bat some manager reins him in and mentioned it numerous times, maybe mattingly is the guy, not so familiar with his style. Lopes could maybe work with him some and help him with his base stealing that Ramirez has gone lax with also.
The Pirates ABSOLUTELY need to get this done today before a bidding war drives Han Rams price up higher. He can replace Barmes at Short (even though Hanleys defense is less than average to poor) and he is a right handed bat that can hit somewhere in the middle of the order..Whatever else you can manage to pry away from them would be a bonus. Johnson, Nolasco, Bonafacio, Lee, etc etc.
i hope we get hanley for ss and bat 4th. then get bonafacio to bat leadoff and play a corner outfield. and they can throw in lee to bat from the 5-7 range and play first and move jones to rf.
I don’t know. I think I would rather just try to get Bonifacio instead of having to overpay for Hanley. Bonifacio can play everywhere in the field except catcher. And he can bat leadoff. Talk about super utility. Can plug him in somewhere different everyday. Seems like a perfect fit for this club. Maybe we can get him for a package equal to Owens, Presley and Holt, or maybe another B level pitching prospect. That would be a nice low profile deal that actually makes this club a lot better without killing the farm. What is Bonifacio’s contract situation?.
The Pirates could use the Marlins to fill every single roster hole, including inadvertantly upgrading our bench via acquisitions bumping current starters to the bench.
But my perfect world scenario would be 2 multi player deals with 2 teams. and getting 1 pitcher.
Acquire Denard Span and Trevor Plouffe (And Maybe Francisco Liriano to fill that 1 needed starter) from Minnesota.
Acquire Hanley Ramirez, Carlos Lee , Emilio Bonafacio,(And maybe Nolasco or Johnson or niether to fill that starter slot)
&
Acquire Matt Garza from the Cubs Or James Shields from the Rays.
How lovely would this team look
1) (L) Denard Span LF
2) (S) Neil Walker 2B
3) (R) Andrew McCutchen CF
4) (R) Hanley Ramirez SS
5) (L) Pedro Alvarez 3B
6) (R) Carlos Lee OR (L) Garrett Jones 1B
7) (R) Starling Marte RF
8) (R) Rod Barajas OR (R) Michael McKenry C
9) Pitcher Spot
Bench: Barajas or McKenry, Barmes, Bonafacio, McGehee, Lee or Jones
Then a 5 man rotation of:
1) Garza or Shields
2) McDonald
3) Burnett
4) Karstens
5) Correia, Bedard, or Owens
Garza/Shields, J Mac, AJ, and Karstens as a 4 man plaoyoff rotation is just STUDLY…Id happily put that starting 4 against any staff in baseball.
Heck even if half of this stuff came true, id be one happy SOB…I can dream cant I?
Wow. Thats a serious overhaul. Plouffe is not going anywhere though. And you mention him in the one trade but not in this lineup. But if we got Garza, Lee, Hanley, Bonifaction, and Span, you realize we would have to trade Taillon, Cole, Owens, Locke, Marte, Grossman, Hanson, Polanco, and much more. So that means take pretty much all 10 of our top 10 prospects. 2 of which are in the top ten of all of baseball. NO THANKS
Plouffe would be on the bench in this scenario. There is no way that we would need to give up that much…and remember, I said if we managed half of that id be happy. remember the key words…”I can dream cant I”
The 2 most expensive players would be one of the pitchers and Span…and Span will not cost more than 3-4 B Level prospects…he just isnt superstar caliber.
1) Lee could be had without giving up anything more than 1 B level guy.
2) Span MIGHT require 1 higher end prospect, but most likely 2-4 high upside B level guys.
3) Bonafacio would require 2-4 B level guys also
4) Hanley’s pricetag is said to be very moderate, which leads me to believe he can be had for 1 top tier guy and maybe 1 b level guy. Maybe less if the pirates are willing to take on ALL of his salary for the next 3 seasons.
5) Plouffe albeit having a good season is so far, a career minor leaguer, who is playing over his head. I personally think he is just a late bloomer and that he will be a respectable big leaguer, but without a track record, he will come fairly cheap also…surely not requiring anything near a top level prospect.
6) Garza or Shields is where you would have to pony up a few prospects…but 1 of Taillon or Heredia plus a few b level guys gets those deals done. Cole is just simply 100% off limits.
But lets assume you just go out and get Span, Lee and Han Ram or just Span and Bonafacio, or just Span and Han Ram….you can get those guys without touching Cole, Taillon, Marte, or Heredia…
You are dreaming buddy. Between Han-Ram and Garza, you are looking at Cole, Taillon and Marte, plus 4 more B and C level guys.
And Plouffe is probably worth more than Span right now. He is not a bench player. He is a YOUNG Shortstop who is having the best year of his career, who htis for power and is under control for the next 5-6 years. His trade value is much higher than you think.
I wonder just how determined the Marlins are to avoid a straight salary dump?
Dodgers could take Hanley and Bell for a collection of lower level prospects.
i wouldnt mind getting both bell and ramierez for prospects cuz this would help our need @ third base and our bullpen bell can be our closer and move jansen to setup
Huh? Jansen is one of the best in baseball. Do this deal and DFA Bell. I wouldn’t even want him pitching mop up.
Yeah, I have no idea why people are down on Jansen. He’s among the top 5 closers in baseball this season by most statistic measures. Not quite Kimbrel or Chapman, but certainly better than most.
The Jays are just in on this to flip him, I think they are looking to grab him then flip him to another team for a starter.
how can you possibly say this like you know
If they’re smart yeah… flip him to D’Backs for Upton and trade Escobar to Miami, make cash and prospects in the deal too. Bring up Hechavarria to SS, let Omar Visquel tutor him and see what happens next year.
Griffin, Choice, and Green sounds like it could land Hanley. Would prefer to keep Choice though.
I really hope the A’s do not give up anything
I’d hate to give up Choice for Hanley. Green, Griffin and another starter not named Parker.
I know Strailey’s name has came up too. But I have a feeling this guy is going to be something special.
im all for trading green and taylor, but i assume other gms are smarter than to think they are still prospects
terrible deal for the a’s.
Michael Choice is out for the season with a broken hand. I’d rather Oakland stay away from Ramirez anyways
I would be down with the Giants grabbing him!
Pull a Ramirez swap. Hanley Ramirez for Aramis Ramirez and swap the bad contracts of Rickie Weeks for Heath Bell. Marlins need to replace Infante at 2b at the bottom of the order anyway. The contracts of Bell and Weeks are also very similar. Marlins could still contend with a lineup consisting of Reyes Bonifacio Stanton LoMo Aramis Weeks next season, which I’m sure they’d rather do than start a rebuilding process right after opening a new stadium. If this fails, they let Josh Johnson walk at the end of 2013, THEN start the rebuilding process, by trading Aramis Ramirez, Weeks, Reyes (ect) at the end of the season.
On the Brewers’ side of things, Hanley has never played with a player that has equal natural ability to him. Ryan Braun has that and is always pushing Brewers mgmt to keep and acquire star-caliber players. Furthermore, the Brewers could even play Hanley at 1b and figure out if that’s a good fit for him, if they share the mentality of other GMs that Hanley can’t play SS or 3b defensively anymore. Even if next year is a rebuilding year for them (losing Greinke and Marcum), they could be back the following year and would have both a young Hanley and Braun under team control, instead of an aging Aramis and unpredictable Rickie Weeks. As for Heath Bell, a change of scenery and closer competition between him and Axford might inspire one of them to step up their game and fulfill the role.
Competition at the closer role clearly hasn’t helped Axford or K-Rod, so why would Heath Bell change any of that?
Might help Heath Bell, even if it doesn’t help Axford. Definitely think Bell needs to get out of Miami for a change of scenery. K-Rod likely going to be dealt by the deadline
With all the Marlins needing a “change of scenery”, I wonder how long management will stick with Guillen. He’s not the managing powerhouse that he’s played himself up to be.
Ozzie is indeed overhyped. If you look at the White Sox this season, they didn’t make any moves to make themselves better this season. Actually, they lost their best starter (Buerhle) and traded their elite closer (Santos), and their best hitter last season besides Konerko (Quentin).
The difference is of course a guy named Chris Sale but also they are better managed. Robin Ventura gave Alejandro De Aza an opportunity, when Ozzie preferred Juan Pierre because of his speed. Ventura bats Dunn 3rd consistently, regardless of his slumps. Ozzie never liked having a permanent DH and was impatient with Dunn, flipping him around the order.
Even if it ended up helping Heath Bell, I can’t see it helping the Brewers. They need to rebuild their very depleted farm.
Very true, I agree. The main reason I bring it up though is that one has to wonder how much of a farm system return they could get for Rickie Weeks or Aramis Ramirez at this point though. Aramis isn’t getting any younger, though I do think they could still sell high on him for at least one good prospect this year. Inversely, if Hanley rebounds in the next year or 2 years of having him, the haul could be significantly more substantial since he is much younger.
Of all the players that have been rumored Hanley is the biggest gamble!
People might laugh, but if I was Theo or Jed, I would be checking in on Hanley. We have a big hole at 3rd base, Castro used to idolize Hanley, and a Castro, Rizzo, Hanley tandem in the lineup might be something to behold. Plus, still 2 more years of him.
I think the Giants could swing a trade for Hanley AND Bell Sending Andrew Susac/Tommy Joseph, Nate Schierholtz, Conor Gillaspie, and Chris Dominguez to the Marlins…Thoughts????
In almost any scenario, Belt, Crawford or Blanco would have to be included in that deal, on top of a position shakeup to make the pieces fit. I don’t see Sabean doing that. Or better yet, I dont see a 1st place team doing that mid-season.
what are the orioles willing to give up to get hanley ramirez, brian matusz jake arreita. the oriles sure could use someone like hanley ramirez,but i do not see it happening. i expect they will do as in the past. let all the good ones slip away and say well we tried. for the oriles to say that they are interested,they might as well not say anything.
This could be a good opportunity for the Cardinals. Trade Zach Cox, Matt Adams, and Tyler Greene for Ramirez and Choate. We have 1st and 3rd basemen of the future in Freese and Craig, but we have no plan for SS after Furcal, and we have a current need for a consistent, productive 2B and a solid lefty reliever. They have a need for a 2B (Greene) and a 1B and 3B of the future. So, move either Furcal or Ramirez to 2nd and have Ramirez be the SS of the future for the Cards. Just a thought. Not claiming to be an expert.
The Marlins wish you were the Cardinals GM …
It does sound like a lot to give for Ramirez, but Cox and Adams are going to be stuck in the minors for a while behind Freese and Craig and Greene is not very popular with the Cards. We also have 1B/3B depth in Matt Carpenter and Daniel Descalso.
I don’t think it’s realistic to think Ramirez can effectively play middle infield anymore.
Still wish you had proposed this deal? 🙂
Marlin price is two high if they dont expect to eat a significant amount of the cash. Dodgers, i dont know what marlins would be interestd, i doubt z lee is in the conversation. The dodgers need a bat DESPERATELY to be taken seriously.
PTI, just said Sox and Marlins are discussing a trade – Crawford and cash considerations for Hanley and Heath Bell
Unles ESPN is doing the usual and reporting old stories/rumors
That was the same trade rumor that was going on b4 with the sox and marlins
Yeah I know, but I’m wondering if it was being discussed again when they said that.
Headline should read… “Marlins not interested in Hanley Ramirez”
You can play left for the dodgers Hanley haha
I recall seeing him gingerly jogging in left field once in the general direction of a ball.
Anyone want to take a guess on what the A’s would have to give up? Assuming they took on the contract would Strailey, Grant Green and some of their younger further away arms get it done? I would have said Choice instead of green but he just broke his hand today. Opinions seem to vary widely on Strailey so I guess it depends on what MIA thinks of him. Billy was at his start yesterday though. FWIW
If I’m Oakland, I don’t touch Hanley. He is a cancer and underachiever. I wouldn’t give up a bag of balls for him.
Dodgers need to replace Uribe bad. I think Hanley with Either and Kemp could be pretty potent Hanley will def get some nice pitches batting around those guys. Dodgers should Cough up Zach Lee or John Ely. and Loney. Platoon Sands and Rivera at 1st. Either way they need to make an Offensive move. his .246 14HRs looks alot better then Juans .190 2 HRs.
I would ask the Marlins what they would give to get rid of him. He has big contract, is underachieving and is a locker room cancer. I would want no part of him whatsoever
It probably wouldn’t end well, but if the Twins can get him for cheap (by paying his full salary), I wouldn’t complain. Trevor is fine at third, but Hanley has more potential than Trevor.
Buccos pulled their Low A Shortstop Alen Hanson in the first inning of tonights game. He is a top 40 prospect in all of baseball according to one of the experts, can’t remember which one. He is probably #5 in the Pirates system. I think something is going on. Maybe for Hanley?
Tom Singer of MLB.com reports that the Pirates are close to completing a trade for Wandy Rodriguez. Could be part of this deal
Which contending team is in dire need of offense and has the prospects to complete a trade more than the Rays ? You have to wonder why they are not interested.
something tells me Jays will end up with someone off the radar in any trade if they are involved.
anytime you hear they are in on someone they get no one, when you don’t hear anything something happens
Man Dodgers should get him he would be perfect for third base where we need him