10:13am: Outfield prospect Billy McKinney would also be going from the Cubs to the Yankees, tweets Sahadev Sharma of TheAthletic.com.
8:48am: Joel Sherman of the New York Post reports (links to Twitter) that the Cubs would send four players to the Yankees in the deal. In addition to Torres, former Yankees right-hander Adam Warren would likely return to New York. Jeimer Candelario, according to Sherman, is not in the deal. The trade has the approval of Yankees owner Hal Steinbrenner, Sherman notes. Rosenthal tweets that the trade is in its final stages, and the players have been agreed upon.
JULY 25, 8:32am: Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports tweets that if the deal is completed, there will be “much more” than just Torres and another prospect in the deal. Jorge Soler will not be included in this trade, reports Jon Morosi of MLB.com (on Twitter).
JULY 24, 8:06pm: There hasn’t been any talk of a contract extension between Chapman and the Cubs, Heyman reports (Twitter link). The trade is “looking likelier” but still not finalized, Yahoo Sports’ Jeff Passan tweets. Torres is one of “multiple” Cubs pieces that have been agreed upon as part of the deal.
7:04pm: The Yankees and Cubs are working towards a trade that would send star closer Aroldis Chapman to Chicago in exchange for top shortstop prospect Gleyber Torres and more, FanRag Sports’ Jon Heyman reports via Twitter. Sports Illustrated’s Kenny Ducey reported (Twitter link) earlier tonight that Torres was scratched from the lineup for Chicago’s High-A affiliate, and SB Nation’s Chris Cotillo adds that Torres was indeed removed due to ongoing trade talks.
The Chapman sweepstakes were seemingly coming to a peak earlier today when the Yankees reportedly asked the Cubs, Nationals, Indians and a mystery fourth team to submit their best final bids for Chapman’s services, with the Rangers and Dodgers also seemingly on the periphery of the market. Cleveland appeared to be in the lead since the Bombers apparently weren’t impressed by a Nats trade package headlined by pitching prospect Erick Fedde (as Joe Ross was seemingly the main piece the Yankees were seeking from Washington).
Adding Torres to their offer, however, could well be what has apparently put the Cubs into the driver’s seat. The 19-year-old shortstop was hailed as one of the top minor leaguers in baseball as per preseason top-100 rankings (ESPN’s Keith Law had Torres 15th, MLB.com had him 28th, and both Baseball Prospectus and Baseball America had him 41st). Baseball America had Torres ranked as the top prospect in the Cubs’ system, no small feat given Chicago’s impressive amount of minor league depth.
Signed for a $1.7MM bonus as part of the Cubs’ international signing splurge in 2013, Torres has a .275/.359/.433 slash line and nine homers in 409 plate appearances at the high-A level this season. MLB.com’s scouting report gives him plus grades in everything but power-hitting, and some scouts believe even that will eventually manifest itself in the form of 15-homer power. While he could stick at shortstop, Torres could also move to third base or second, which may be his Yankee path as a long-term replacement for Chase Headley or Starlin Castro since Didi Gregorius has blossomed as New York’s regular shortstop.
With Chapman set for free agency this winter, Torres alone would’ve been quite a return for the Yankees. Torres and even more young talent is quite a heavy price for Chicago to pay, though the Cubs are one of the few teams with enough position player depth at both the major and minor league levels to afford surrendering a top prospect like Torres for a rental player.
Of course, given how the bullpen is arguably the only semi-weak spot on the Cubs’ roster, adding a dominant force like Chapman may be the last piece Chicago needs to finally win another World Series. Chapman has a 2.01 ERA, 12.6 K/9 and 5.5 K/BB rate over 31 1/3 innings this season, not seeing the field until May due to a 30-game suspension under the league domestic violence policy.
Hector Rondon has hardly done anything to earn a demotion given his own spectacular numbers, though the Cubs closer would move to a setup role if and when Chapman joins the fold, with Pedro Strop, Travis Wood and the newly-acquired Mike Montgomery serving to protect leads into the eighth inning.
I wonder if eovoldi is included?? Sounds like the Yankees are making out like bandits in this trade. Still hoping this means Chapman signs an extension before/during trade. Lol I just think it’s funny I though Torres Plus a couple months ago would be fair for Miller and was laughed at that being an overpay. At least this means we keep Schwarber. I wonder if the plus is Soler. He has no spot on this team and can get moved either now or this winter.
Yeah, I don’t like this rumor. I think it’s missing a large component. But whatever happens, I do have full faith in the Cubs management.
For the last time, Chapman isn’t going to take an extension!!!! He absolutely WILL test the open market!
You ARE stubborn!
There are some tumors that the package hinges on extension. Or the Yankees get lesser prospects. I bet it’s Happ if he doesn’t agree, torres if he does. Lol I’m sure you know 100% what’s going to happen westcoast, toolbag. (Soler is also rumored to be included)
Rumors are just that. An extension makes no sense in any way, shape or form from Chapman’s perspective.
How does it not if he’s offered 4-5 years at minimum 15+mil per year? It’s not like he’ll get much more on open market. Obviously as a Cubs fan I hope it’s not straight up without an extension.
It does if he gets equal to or above market value.
Cubs give him around 5 years, 60-70 million (12-14 a year) with 40-60% in guarantees he’d be stupid to not sign cause hes not getting 15 mill or more in the off season especially if the yankees dont trade him and QO him.
Plus, he’d be signing with a perennial ws contender that have 3+ year window of lineup stability.
Because if the Cubs are offering him that now they’ll surely offer him that in the offseason and one of the other 29 teams will probably offer him even more.
Chapman will EASILY top that in free agency hahaha. And if the Cubs are willing to offer him that now they’ll still offer him that in the offseason. Delete your account if you think Chapman taking an extension makes ANY sense from his point of view.
IT’S NOT A TUMOR!!
So no players have ever extended in the history of free agency? Is that what you are saying?
The Yankees will offer him a qualifying offer. That could lower the offer for teams not willing to give up their first round pick…
If he’s smart he will wait out free agency
And do you really think the Yankees didn’t already offer him that much in an extension? If he was interested in taking an extension it would have happened MONTHS ago!
Nailed it.
Happ isn’t a “lesser” prospect. A “lesser” prospect would be someone like Jeimer Candelario….. or Eddy Martinez. or Donnie Dewees……. or Billy McKinney even. Happ is a friggin stud, and is already in double A in what is his first full minor league season. Torres is in single A still. I never understood how single A prospects could be rated so highly and over more advanced/seasoned prospects further up the minor league food chain. With Contreras on the ML team Happ is NOT a “lesser” prospect. Torres is supposedly their #1 prospect and Happ is their #2 prospect as of now. Even though I think those rankings should be reversed, 1 to 2 doesn’t exactly fit the definition of “lesser” IMO.
Some rumors were saying Candelario were in it too. Nothing confirmed of course.
Yanks wouldn’t take lesser prospects- they don’t have to trade him to the Cubs, there are other teams involved. They would trade him to whichever club offers the best package.
Bwahahahahahahahaha wow youre pretty uneducated dude. Chapman will EASILY top 5 years 70 million?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
No, he wont. Teams might offer more years but hes NOT getting above 15 million a year unless he takes less years on a deal.
He wont top 75 million total. And if you had to pick between the yankees and cubs youd go pitch for that dumpster fire in NYC cause they pay 5 mill more?
He could get 20 mill a year but thatd be on a 3 year deal totaling 60 million.
Hes not topping 75 million. Bank on it. No GM is stupid enough to give out a starting pitcher contract to a relief pitcher.
not to start a war here, but this isn’t the NFL, 100% of MLB contracts are guaranteed. (and to add to that I would gauge the market for Chapman to be in the 4-5 year $16-$19m AAv range, in fact, a team in dire need of a closer might even approach $20m AAV)
No other reason for it to be taking this long. Might not even get completed tonight now.
Eovaldi is trash. Why would throwing trash in a deal make it any better? Torres + Warren For Chapman and Chad Green is more in the lines of fairness IMO.
Like I’ve mentioned before, I can’t see Warren traded back to the Yankees. They dealt him to the Cubs this past offseason for Starlin Castro, and his 5.91 ERA isn’t appealing. The Yanks aren’t trading one of the premier relievers on the market for someone the Cubs barely even want right now.
That seems like an overpay. He’s their #1 prospect right? That’s a lot for an RP, even if he’s elite.
Makes that pomeranz deal not look so bad now. Teams are going to panic and give up way to much to go for it this year. The closer to August 1st, the worse the deals will be. What will Rich Hill get or relieve help. Torres plus for a rental, huge risk. Just like the miller deal between Boston and Baltimore, hope it works out better for Cubs than Orioles. Yanks got a great lottery ticket from Cubs for a rental, good job by them
An extension with Chapman is part of the deal. No extension…….no deal.
False
rotoworld.com/player/mlb/5757/aroldis-chapman
None of the legit trade guys are reporting it.
They cite all kinds of sources, some legit and some not. Therefore, that news they comment on is not necessarily true.
Absolutely not true
No way Chapman agrees to that
Rotoworld broke this story almost 30 minutes before it broke here.
Chapman isn’t signing an extension with ANY team before he hits free agency at the end of this season.
Roto is way better for the breaking news than mlbtr is. They just repost what others have said in a forum for it.
fine no deal- Chapman is not signing an extension. He goes to the highest bidder, if Yanks don’t like the trade, they keep him and give him a qualifying offer and get a draft pick if they don’t sign him. But I am sure one desperate team will offer a deisrable pkg before the deadline.
There may not be qualifying offers after this season. The collective bargaining agreement is up and the new deal might not include them.
The Pomeranz deal looked pretty fair to me. Pomeranz is not a rental.
Nope, that designer dog is fo realz
O’s can’t complain about the Miller trade – they got exactly what they needed and made it to the ALCS. Meanwhile, to this point, E-Rod has not done anything notable as a big leaguer.
Assuming he was still with the O’s, they may have missed the playoffs without Miller AND still have an awful pitching staff. Still plenty of time for E-Rod to work it out, but there’s certainly no guarantee his value will exceed that of the half-season of Miller postseason berth.
E-rod is 22 yrs old, who is coming off a 10 win season, a lefty who throws 97, and only off this season cause he had no spring training and just coming back now. To say the Orioles in hind sight wouldn’t want him back and help fix their struggling starting rotation for years to come is flawed. The sox will be find paying him under a million dollars for the next 2 years to find out
4 (Tillman, Bundy, Gausman, Worley) of the Orioles current 5 starters have current sub 4 ERAs and the other Gallardo was fighting injuries early in the season and has been much better of late. Rodriguez was the number 3 starting pitching prospect for the Orioles at the time behind Bundy and Gausman.
To be fair, the Orioles just recently converted Bundy from a reliever to a starter, granted the whole time the plan was for Bundy to eventually be a starter. And you’re right he has a sub 4 ERA, but let’s see if that holds up in the starting pitcher role.
The Cubs will have to get something else I’m thinking even bigger than just the two swapped
Somehow I feel like the GM who wouldn’t Schwarber for 4.5 years of Cole Hamels isn’t going to trade a higher rated prospect at a more premium position (considering no one really thinks Schwarber was a catcher long term) for a rental reliever. The Cubs would have to be getting something along with him.
They are also working on an extension with Chapman.
Please show proof of this? I doubt chapman would accept a extension so close to free agency.
Cubs shortstop prospect Gleyber Torres is believed to be in the package that would head to New York, along with another piece or two. Chapman, a 28-year-old impending free agent, has registered a stellar 2.01 ERA, 0.89 WHIP, and 44/8 K/BB ratio in 31 1/3 innings since returning in May from a domestic violence suspension. There’s a report from Rian Watt of Baseball Prospectus suggesting that the Cubs are trying to work out a contract extension with Chapman on top of the trade. That could be the major hold-up. rotoworld.com/player/mlb/5757/aroldis-chapman
It’s legit they have til Monday to work out 4-60 mil deal
So from a guy barely anyone has ever heard of before. Yeah I trust that. Lol
Yankees broadcast network did an interview with chapman after today’s game and he basically hinted that he loves New York and feels like it’s a family environment and hopes to resign with them once he hits free agency.
Maybe it’s just that YOU haven’t heard of him. Maybe you should expand your horizons. How well do you know the writer from this article???
Oh please. Every player always says they want to resign with their current team. It’s nothing but fluff.
Shawn wait till people like heyman and rosenthal to report it before you go off on rants defending yourself
you must be one of those bandwagon Cubs fans that believes everything he reads
Jon Heyman IS who reported it on Rotoworld.
Bandwagon? I have been going to Wrigley since the mid 70’s. I’ve probably forgotten more about the Cubs than you even know. That being said, I have been following the Chapman trade rumors since the beginning and have MANY sources. Just because Heyman is the only one the only one to report it, doesn’t mean it has no merit.
funny Shawn he hasn’t tweeted anything about extension
Everything has been agreed up, but it may not get done til Monday. Wait and see that the extension was the holdup.
Shawn look at the latest update from heyman
Gitto, that sounds like every player to ever play the game….. except Milton Bradley. EVERY player says they love the city they play in and they love the fans and atmosphere. (Milton Bradley has no qualms with ripping on the cities he played in and hated the fans, hahaha). Chapman has been a Red his whole career and now is with one of the worst Yankee teams in recent history. All he knows is losing. I’m sure if he went to Chicago and in a winning atmosphere surround by young, top talent he’d love it just as much. The fact the Cubs have deep pockets too tells me he’ll “love Chicago” and it also “has a family environment.” Only family he cares about are the Franklins. As in the Benjamin Franklins.
I saw the interview when Chapman said that but again that is normal. He is happy and he meant it. Then again he could get traded and like the new city and team as well.
Jon Lester loved the Bosox. He said once traded he started to see other possibilities.
All he knows is losing? You do realize that the Reds had the best record in the NL in 2012 and made the playoffs for 3 out of 4 years from 2010-2013, right?
Where did you get that info from? There’s been nothing reported suggesting that.
Rotoworld link at the end.
That tid bit on rotoworld said he was suggesting the Cubs are trying to work out an extension.. Don’t know if that’s pure speculation on his part or not, but regardless, chapman isn’t going to forego free agency and sign an extension before the end of the year, especially for a team he’s never played for.
Even so.. you shouldn’t have to give up a top 30 prospect in the game for someone who is so reliant on velocity. GIve up Torres for Miller if you really want someone that bad.
Torres wouldn’t get the Cubs Miller though.
Nope, but he should start a deal for Miller. Not end one for Chapman.
Doesn’t matter to me. Think it’s too much for 2 months and playoffs, even for a closer. Top 25 prospect? WOW.
He’s better than Ziegler for sure, but look what Ziegler cost and compare. Amazing if Epstein gave up just Torres for 2 month rental, forget extension mess. It’s beyond outlandish, much less Torres plus.
Yankees come out like bandits.
The real loser here is the Reds, who got Rookie Davis, an AAAA infielder and 2 meh prospects from the Yankees.
Solid comment, agreed.
While I agree the players they gave up to get Chapman are nowhere in the vicinity of the realm Torres is in, I wouldn’t COMPLETELY discredit Rookie Davis and Eric Jagielo. Those two would probably rank somewhere in the 23-30th slots on the Cubs top 30 prospect list. Not horrible, just not upper echelon of talent. As for Tony Renda and Caleb Cotham. Cotham is easily the biggest POS in the deal. Renda is a decent prospect. I’d equate him to Logan Watkins in the Cubs system………. just a dude with respectable minor league numbers but no real buzz around them. Scout likely seeing something wrong with them their numbers don’t indicate.
Again, the 4 they gave up are nowhere near what Torres is. That said I wouldn’t just dismiss Rookie Davis and Jagielo just yet. At least not Davis.
Spot on. Reds definitely should have waited it out until after his suspension and he recovered value. They could have just as easily been the team to deal him at the deadline and demand a small fortune. Seems like they got stuck in trade-mode after working out a deal with the Dodgers before that fell through.
Just yesterday KB you said they gave up scrap and shouldn’t get more in return and that he isn’t worth more now than he was then.
4 yrs, 60 mil is the buzz
Not going to happen. If Chapman was willing to take an extension the Yankees would just keep him and taking an extension when he’s this close to free agency is the biggest mistake he could possibly make.
Why would the yankees sign chapman to 4 year 60 million when they can trade him for apparently a kings ransom and use the money on starting pitching?
Im sure the yankees value torress and the other prospects more than chapman given betances, miller, bleier, and swarzak.
They wouldn’t. They’ll trade him and THEN sign him for that much in the offseason.
Go back to sleep
Damn. Now twice Dodgers miss out on the guy. Should’ve had him last trade that was a done deal. Sucks. Good for the Cubs though. Happy for that team abs their fans to finally turn things around it looks like
IMO, Chapman would be stupid to sign an extension now. He can command more on the open market during the off season.
Maybe not. The market is loaded with top relief arms. He’d only likely be the 3rd best closer on the market, plus other guys like Melancon, Papelbon, Ziegler and Sergio Romo are all out there too.
3rd behind who???
Kenley Jansen and Zach Britton
Scratch that. No idea why I thought Britton was a FA after this year
That would be an advantage for chapman.
How would not being the best guy out there help his earning power?…..
That’s weird, because he’s actually the best closer in baseball. Hmmmm.
If the Cubs are willing to extend him now for 4/$60, why not wait until the winter and get the Yankees involved?
Is he the best closer in baseball? If so, is that really important? A closer’s worth is really just how effective he is in save opportunities and his success rate in said opportunities. Here are the career numbers for Chapman and other closers around the league.
Chapman 28 yrs old – FA at end of year
2.16 ERA, 1.00 WHIP, 89.7% save success rate
Zach Britton 28 yrs old (numbers as a reliever in 2.5 years) – FA after 2018
1.52 ERA, 0.91 WHIP, 92.9% save success rate
Craig Kimbrel 28 yrs old – FA after 2018 season (assuming 2018 option is picked up)
1.79 ERA, 0.94 WHIP, 90.6% save success rate
Koji Uehara 41 yrs old – FA at end of season
2.59 ERA, 0.87 WHIP, 86% save success rate
Hector Rondon 28 yrs old – FA after 2018 season
2.65 ERA, 1.07 WHIP, 85.4% save success rate
Cody Allen 27 yrs old – FA after…….. you guessed it, 2018
2.64 ERA, 1.19 WHIP, 85.9% save success rate
Francisco Rodriguez 34 yrs old – option for 2017, possibly a FA at season’s end
2.70 ERA, 1.14 WHIP, 86% save success rate (side note: 413 carer saves)
Wade Davis 30 yrs old – 2017 option, FA at season’s end? (stats since becoming a reliever)
1.00 ERA, 0.85 WHIP, 85.4% save success rate
Huston Street 32 yrs old – FA at year’s end
2.91 ERA, 1.06 WHIP, 86.4% save success rate
Kenley Jansen 28 yrs old – FA at year’s end
2.19 ERA, 0.91 WHIP, 87.6% save success rate
AJ Ramos 29 yrs old – FA after 2018 season
2.53 ERA, 1.17 WHIP, 80.8% save success rate
Jeurys Familia 26 yrs old – FA after 2018 season
2.45 ERA, 1.19 WHIP, 89.2% save success rate
Mark Melancon 31 yrs old – FA at season’s end
2.66 ERA, 1.05 WHIP, 87.2% saves success rate
Santiago Casilla 35 yrs old – FA at season’s end
3.15 ERA, 1.29 WHIP, 80.7% save success rate
Sergio Romo 33 yrs old – FA at season’s end
2.55 ERA, 0.94 WHIP, 81.6% save success rate
Steve Cishek 30 yrs old – FA after 2017 season
2.82 ERA, 1.21 WHIP, 85.5% save success rate
Jonathan Papelbon 35 yrs old – FA at season’s end
2.35 ERA, 1.03 WHIP, 88.5% save success rate
After looking at the notable closer’s list IMO waiting on relief help/closer help might be best after the 2018 season. LOADS of top end relievers due to hit FA then.
To put a closer’s save success rate in perspective. Let’s assume 45 save opportunities in a single season. Zach Britton’s near 93% success rate is the highest of anyone’s. saving 93% of your opportunities means about 42 saves in 45 opportunities., or 3 blown saves. I think the lowest save success rate I listed was about 80%. That would be 36 saves in 45 opportunities, or 9 blown saves. The middle/common ground is about 85-86%….. let’s call it 85.5%. That’s about 38-39 saves in 45 opportunities, or 6-7 blown saves. Are the likes of Kimbrel, Chapman, and Britton really worth top tier prospects? I mean there are a ton of relievers/closers out there who fall in that 85% success range whose price tag is CONSIDERABLY less. Do 3 fewer blown saves/year really warrant such a high price tag? I don’t think so.
The fact Chapman’s success rate is 90% means he’d save 40-41 of those 45 opportunities. Meaning 4-5 blown saves…….. only 1-2 fewer blown saves than the 85.5% quality closers. IMO that’s not insanely better, and not worth such a lofty price tag.
Maybe, as a member of the Yankees, he and his agent might already know what their offer is, and the rumored extension from the Cubs is MUCH more.
Not to mention for a 2 month rental you need to divide those numbers by 3. So you are talking 1 blown save instead of 2-3.
Thanks for that research. Even without it I would have agreed with the point you are making, and I think so would the Braves (trading Kimbral). I agree with you even more after those numbers.
Absolutely yes! Chapman is GOING to get the biggest contract ever given to a reliever. Anything the Yankees or Cubs offer him now, they’ll offer him in the offseason.
I’ll take a stab in the dark and say Jansen tops him
The fact still remains that the best way for Chapman to maximize his earnings is to wait out free agency.
Why would you say that? All the numbers favor Chapman. Am I missing something?
Similar numbers over last few years, Jansen is having the better 2016 and Chapman has baggage now.
Similar, but Chapman’s numbers are still better. Plus he throws harder. What baggage? No one cares about that stuff when you’re an elite player at your position (rightfully so, or not). Had he been Jose Reyes, you may have had a point.
Let me put it this way… if I was a GM, I would sign Jansen because he will come cheaper than Chapman while having comparable numbers. No way he costs more. GMs love that velocity.
If Chapman gets more money (I believe he will, for the record) it will be because of the velocity. Jansen’s numbers are actually very comparable in every category besides MPH. Jansen has better BB/9, HR/9, ERA, and FIP numbers this year and they have comparable K/9 rates (Chapman leads, but they’re in the same league at least). They are 0.2 WAR different over their careers and Jansen has a 0.6 lead between the two this year (Fangraphs). So Chapman will likely get more money, as he is viewed as an elite closer and Jansen seems to get more “borderline-elite” cred.
Also, to KB’s point, save conversion rates are not the measure of a successful closer. Saves are opportunistic and flukey as measurements of reliever quality.
I think the point KB was trying to make was not necessarily that the save rate is the most important, more that “is it really worth it to spend that much more money on 2-3 saves a year”.
Unless we are getting chapman plus or he is signing an extension I don’t like this deal either.. Torress is 19 and our top rated prospect and a plus.. This better be bigger
Yeah this would be way out of character for the Cubs front office, unless there’s more coming back either in talent or they get Chapman to agree to an extension.
If this is it, then the Cubs better win it all this year. Can’t hate them for making a bold move and going for it, I suppose.
Could be a 3rd team in the mix.
I bet the Yankees are asking for Adam Warren too that might be the more
Considering they just traded Adam Warren to the Cubs for Starlin Castro this past offseason, I doubt he would be flipped back to the Yankees. The more is probably someone expendable for both teams. I can’t see a Torres for Chapman straight up, Epstein is a smarter man that. Considering the Cubs are looking for relief arms, I doubt more pitching on the major league level is coming back on their end. And I can’t imagine Yankees want his 5.91 ERA back in the confines of Yankee Stadium.
Theo is smarter than that, renteria, Lugo, Crawford, AGon, gagne, he is not the God of baseball, he makes mistakes as well. Good trades and bad, good signings and bad. This is a win now moment and a major over pay. No other way to put it. He is mortgaging the future for now, makes since 1908 is a long time. However, he better how his offense can hit a lot better in the playoffs against good pitching, and not lose to a buzz saw like mets. This year may be Washington or San Francisco. Bold move, but just like pomeranz deal, it just doesn’t sit right to trade a top prospect for a quick fix and a finger cross
Mortgaging the future? Where would Torres play on this team? Even in 2-3 years…..where would he play? Don’t be so dramatic. The Cubs future is bright even after this trade.
If it happens, I agree. Part of the usefulness of prospects it to trade them for needs. If not now, when?
I don’t know, great players find ways into lineup or other teams are the ones who over pay you, not the other way around in this case
Trading top prospects even on bright future teams just doesn’t sit well. Always room for players who are better than players ahead of them on the chain. Maybe you use him in a year to get s team like Oakland to bite and trade you Donaldson. Just an example. The top prospect shouldn’t be traded for a rental, who may or may not put you over the top
Wait, wait, wait. Theo ISN’T the God of baseball? I guess it’s true; you do learn something new every day.
you’re so perceptive and clairvoyant- I wonder what you’ll learn tomorrow!
Bad deal for a rental. I hope they are getting more than Chapman if they are giving up Torres!
Well this move will look fantastic for the Yanks if it happens and if they go out and sign Chapman if the off-season. I think the Yanks are also hoping this gets the Indians to panic and offer more.
So the Cubs get a highly velocity-dependent reliever with baggage at 15M per season in exchange for one of the top prospects in baseball +?
Call me crazy, but that is just terrible. Go acquire Melancon who is just as good, way cheaper and could be extended for less.
This is playstation. You can’t just get whoever you want.
The Pirates have been noted to at least consider selling, and currently behind 3 teams for a wildcard spot, and 8.5 games out of 1st in the division. Melancon is expensive and an impending FA. Absolutely would be acquirable if the Pirates sold.
Not to a division rival though, nor will they become sellers anyway
Guys, to anyone saying that they’re overpaying by giving them Torres, I completely understand where you’re coming from. And hey, you may end up being right.
However, keep in mind, he’s still a prospect and he hasn’t proven that he can handle the major leagues — and major league pitchers.
Granted, I’m sure he can, but there’s still a chance. Moreover, this guy has absolutely ZERO path to making it on the Cubs. Shortstop is locked down by All-Star Addison Russell, and second base belongs to Zobrist for the next few years — until retirement. Then it will go to Javier Baez.
The Cubs have the opportunity to win the World Series …..NOW, and the Yankees have the opportunity to develop another potentially great shortstop. A win/win.
Having 2 Future hall of famers at SS in Didi and Mateo, where does this kid fit into the future?
They aren’t future Hall of Famers Jeter is and maybe AROD.
Chapman,Sabathia,Nova to Cubs
Torres,Edwards,Chick,Blackburn,Beede and so on to Yankees
Headley,Gardner and a SP or Bullpen guy from Yankees to Didgers
He’s a known troll… and you’re falling for it.
Judge judy is a Red Sox troll pretending to be a Yankee fan
That is way too much of an overpay. The Cubs are willing to deal prospects but not players on ML roster. The Cubs are trying to strengthen their bullpen and Edwards has shown he belongs. Nova is a mid rotation starter that is a free agent after 17 (not the type of starter Cubs want) and CC is an overweight over the hill pitcher that would have no place on the team. If the Cubs are going to trade Torres plus a prospect I would hope they Chapman (with a extension) and a pitching prospect under team control .
He may just have to supplant future HOF Refsnyder at 2B.
Didi Gregorious a HOFer….. hahahahahaha.
Read the comments below his KB. Otherwise the joke is on You for falling for his nonsense.
Yeah the deal hinges on an extension
Which Chapman would never even consider taking
Why are you so certain he would NEVER consider signing an extension with the Cubs now?
A lot can happen in 2 months, specifically an injury which has the possibility of decreasing any payday substantially. He may want the security an extension would provide for him and in all honesty I’m not 100% convinced that he will get a much better offer than the reported 4/60 million. If memory serves, the highest paid reliever is 13 mil with Chapman 2nd at 11.325, so he would instantly become the highest paid reliever by 2 mil per and have the security that comes with having a contract that guarantees his $.
He may choose to test free agency in the end but for you to say there is “No way he would even consider signing an extension now” is just foolish. A bird in the hand is always worth more than getting injured and getting jack squat!
says his agent westcoastryan….
No it doesn’t.
Trying to hold it together until the final details are out. So far it looks like a big time overpay from the Cubs. But if Chapman ends up being the piece and the Cubs win the last game of the year it would be worth every penny
Exactly. Beats playing woulda, coulda, shoulda at the end of the year.
That would be an overpay, but nothing is for sure with prospects, and you have to go for it when you have a legitimate shot at the world series.
One more Cubs prospect conspicuous by his absence today was Eddy Julio Martinez of South Bend. Everyone needs a day off here and there, but SB didn’t play yesterday, so he could very well be in play here. I wouldn’t be happy about giving up Torres and EJM for a rental, but if there was more coming our way, it could get interesting.
Overpay but I am not complaining
I hope they get a pitcher as well. Some mlb talent ready.
Please, Don’t.
Cubs gonna Cubs.
Torres and more for 2 months of Chapman? Chapman would be great on the Cubs and all, but Torres is ranks around the 25th best prospect on prospect lists. I know the deal is far from done, but straight up 2 months of Chapman for Torres is an overpay.
108 years is enough. Torres was not going to make the Cubs roster in the next five years. It’s not an overpay. He’s only hitting .275 in single A.
He’s a 19 year old hitting .275 in high A..
And that means he’s a proven superstar? He could be Corey Patterson. How comfortable are you with Rondon in the ninth inning of a playoff game? You make the move and keep your current nucleus of players (Baez, Russel, Schwarber, etc.).
Now it’s sounding like an overpay with 4 players from the Cubs
Who else would they trade Torres for? Best arm on the planet that’s what
The best arm on the planet belongs to Klayton Kershaw. GTFOH
You can’t even spell his name correct…. LOL
Oh, no. The K is on purpose.
Klaykon Kkrshk, K.
Too bad he Kould be out for the season
If the Yankees get the Cubs best prospect for a reliever, albeit, a top 3 reliever in the game… who cares if he signs an extension with the Cubs or not. We still have Miller and Betances.
If this ends up being way more from the NYY than just Chapman, I hope Heyman goes on tv to talk about how stupid he is and how poor his sources are too, as opposed to his mlbtv appearance.
And if it doesn’t? Where will you go?
OH, no where. I’ve already said I’ll be pissed.
Haha fair deal.
I think this is a miserable trade. And I will absolutely eat crow for saying the fo is smart enough to not trade something like this for a rental. I have/had more faith.
A Cubs (something, writer? Idk, but shes somewhat credible) just tweeted Soler is also in the mix, as is Evoldi, Beltran, Pineda
link???
I don’t think the yankees trade Evoldi and Pineda.. that would give them no rotation at all.
Julie DiCaro on twitter. Don’t think you can put links in these comments
would make sense on why the cubs were crazy enough to go torres though
Julie Dicaro of the Score 690
twitter.com/JulieDiCaro
There is now some talk that Soler is part of the deal.
I read that too which would be crazy
This sounds too good to be true. I wonder what the Yankees side of the offer is. I hope it’s just Chapman signing a long term extension… that doesn’t hurt the Yanks at all.
Which is worse, giving up Torres or giving Chapman 4 years? The bizzaro Theo that gave Edwin Jackson $52M and Jason Heyward $184M is making this trade not the wunderkind that Sox and Cubs have grown to love.
The Cubs weren’t even the highest bid for Heyward.. so…
Giving Chapman four years is market value, and Torres is blocked just about everywhere.
If Chapman gives them an elite pen for 3 of the next 5 seasons, it’s worth it
No it isn’t. They can just be the highest bidder this offseason. Unless he has some weird, get me now or i go NYY no matter what scenario.
The Cubs are in contention this year. What the future holds is unknown. What possible reason is there to wait til after this opportunity passes to get what they need.
what the playoffs hold is unknown.
But this is looking like the year they will make the playoffs. Do Cubs fans take making the playoffs for granted?
In terms of 3 years, then opt out, Heyward took the bigger contract.
Hoyer said to ‘expect the unexpected’. I think there is more to this than Chapman for Torres.
Sahadev Sharma @sahadevsharma 8m8 minutes ago Chicago, IL
Hearing names are done, Torres the big fish from Cubs, but more being sent to Yanks. If finalized, Cubs get only Chapman.
Just gonna take a survey for some sense of reality at this point. Does any yankees fan think torres is less than a great return for chapman?
I think it’s a great deal for the yanks, especially if chapman doesn’t sign an extension. Curious to see who the is. Also interested to see what the yanks do with their surplus at ss with gregorious, Mateo, and now Torres.
Torres is 19. He’s not a surplus.
Somebody is going to have move positions or is going to get traded. Gregorious is 26, Mateo is 21, and Torres is 19. Unless you know something I don’t, there’s no way all three guys play SS for the Yankees. So yes, the Yankees have a surplus of players at ss. The same reall why the Cubs included him in this deal.
Shortstops are usually versatile. Didi may move to 3rd or walk in free agency by the time Torres is ready, and one of Mateo/Torres will move to 2B. I want to say there has already been talk about Mateo profiling better at 2B anyways.
Yeah. The yanks definitely have some flexibility moving forward.
I told you guys! The Cubs know that Chapman isn’t taking an extension from anyone. All they can do is offer what they feel two months of Chapman (plus the playoffs) is worth and then make a sincere effort to re-sign him in the offseason.
I would be shocked if Chapman signs an extension at this point. There is literally no good reason to sign one, unless he has huge arm pain and knows surgery is imminent.
If these rumors do turn out to be true, Torres+ is a great return for the Yankees. This would also further strengthen the idea that pitching is being valued much higher than many want to admit. All the other contenders are being put on notice that they need to be prepared to trade their elite prospects if they truly want controllable pitching like they claim.
I could see why Chapman would be willing to sign an extension with the Cubs if he thinks that the value that he’s getting is more or less what he’d receive as a free agent after this season. There is some value for Chapman in that certainty of signing that deal a few months earlier, because pitchers are always potentially only 1 pitch away from ending up on the DL.
The key, though, is that an extension would be have to be pretty much in-line with what Chapman thinks he’d get in free agency. So I agree with you that Chapman doesn’t have any incentive to sign a team-friendly extension this close to free agency. It is odd to see so many Cubs fans in this thread talking about a Chapman extension as if it’s the key to the deal and brings the Cubs a lot more value. I’d be shocked if that’s the case, because an extension this close to free agency is going to be basically a market rate deal.
Likely even more. As you admitted Chapman has every incentive to wait out free agency so the Cubs would have to offer him BETTER than market value, or at least enough money that Chapman will be certain that it would be the best he’ll get. And looking at the terms some people on here have been suggesting it definitely makes more sense for Chapman to just wait it out.
99% of the time a pending free agent accepts the risk that they will get hurt in the last two months of the season because they know that waiting out free agency is the best way to maximize their earnings. Maybe some team is willing to offer him more money than the Cubs. If he takes an extension he’ll never know.
What if it’s a player friendly extension?
Theo Epstein, ladies and gents. He’s one Cub World Series ring away from Baseball Immortality in the Hall of Fame.
Cubs could steamroll teams with Chapman long term, this is the last piece for Theo!
Will the Yankees give up just Chapman on this deal or will there be outhers
Randy Levine is part of the deal.
Y’all can think what you want, but it’s hard to believe Theo & Co. would trade their top prospect for only Chapman with no agreement on a contract extension. Maybe they somehow packaged a guy like Evoldi with him or something, but I don’t see another way. Yes, a shutdown lefty is really the only thing they’re missing when everyone is healthy, but a package deal headlined by their top prospect who could very well be up next year at the earliest for the rental version of Chapman is not going to happen in my eyes.
Why would Eovaldi make this any better? Throwing trash on a fire just makes the fire bigger.
I was simply using him to say that I hope someone else is coming to Chicago with Chapman, to fill another hole, if this deal does go down.
The added pressure of trading for a shutdown reliever in the middle of a playoff race and the desire to bring a championship to their city is the reason why they would do that.
If Chapman can be had with an extension of 4-5 years, I wouldn’t mind giving up JUST Torres. Torres+ though even with an extension seems pretty steep. I’ve been comparing Chapman to Papelbon last year who was traded at the deadline as well. Papelbon was had for the Nats’ 18th ranked prospect in Nick Pivetta. People scoff at the idea of comparing papelbon and chapman but both have similar save success rates. Both have similar ERAs and WHIPs for their careers. The only difference in their game is that Chapman K’s more batters than Papelbon….. but he also walks more batters too, so you give and you take. So IMO the K and BB rates wash each other out. So the only real meaningful difference between Chapman and Papelbon is their ages. P-bon was traded last year at the age of 34 and Chapman is 28 right now. HOWEVER, Papelbon came with 1 year of control….. Chapman not so much.
IMO Chapman isn’t worth much more Jeimer Candelario and a PTBNL. Candelario is the Cubs #7 ranked prospect in their system. With the team already having Bryant, Baez, and La Stella being more than capable 3Bmen Candelario is more expendable than Vogelbach was. OR with the plethora of OF prospects they have I also wouldn’t mind if they gave up their #5 prospect in Billy McKinney. But that’s it. Maybe either of those 2 prospects and a PTBNL for Chapman. That’s still a sweet deal IMO. You get a top 10 prospect in someone’s system and a PTBNL for a rental reliever??? Come on now. Also, if they gave up McKinney that would essentially mean that the Samardzija and Hammel trade in 2014 netted them Russell and Chapman……. not too shabby, hahaha.
Bottom line. If the deal is Torres and some PTBNL level player for Chapman………… I’d be aggravated because I’d rather see them use their prospects to get starting pitchers, not relievers, but I wouldn’t be too upset. Not as upset as I was over the over pay they did on Montgomery, a kid with no track record of success and already a bust of a prospect since he is a failed starter despite at one time being a top 20 prospect in all of baseball. Chapman at least has the track record and reputation of being the best closer in the game. I just loathe rental players, regardless who they are. The fact it is a rental reliever makes it a bit worse. Torres+ is something I’d see Miller’s asking price being since he comes with control. Not Chapman. If he is had and they can get him to sign a contract, Torres+ isn’t that bad. Again, Russell, Baez, and Happ. Torres IMO is expendable and the “worst” of the 4 of them.
First off, Papelbon was 34 when he was traded. Chapman will be 28. Papelbon is also not a lefty who throws 100 mph.
Thanks for stating point I made in my comment. So your “First off” comment was pretty redundant. That was one of the first points I made.
Chapman throwing 100 mph makes no difference. He is just as effective as Papelbon. You could say that Chapman is worse than Papelbon because of that reason actually. Papelbon has had just as much success without relying on his velocity whereas that is pretty much all of Chapman’s game. Chapman starts losing velocity he’ll have to actually become a smart, good pitcher instead of just a thrower. Can he do that though?
I really doubt Chapman will lose any velocity between now and October. Also you are ignoring that Pappelbon was traded as a salary dump, and was considered a cancer in the clubhouse.
Chapman can’t be had with an extension of 4-5 years or any years. He’s not taking an extension whether you like it or not!
The playoffs are outlier, but Chapman makes the Cubs way better than anyone else overall. In a short series anything can happen.
I would be fine with a straight swap or adding another minor piece if the Cubs are willing to go all in on Chapman in the offseason. Meaning they are willing to overpay to sign Chapman to a 4 or 5 year deal.
You didnt have clubs lining up to trade for Pap’s like you do Chapman. Chapman is a game changer and he is just what many clubs are looking for. Sorry that you dont aqgree but Paplebon is a bad seed that hurts club house moral and they all but begged teams to trade for him. Not the case with Chapman. Teams are begging the Yankee’s to trade him to them. Bottom line is some team will over pay for him cause too many teams need him.
Happ candielo(sp?) and Torres. And Chapman signs extension 4/70 and 5th year option. That kind of deal should get miller and/severino as well.
Did it ever occur to you that Chapman has to AGREE to that extension? And that he might actually WANT to test the open market? The Cubs can’t “just sign him to an extension” because he is PERSON with FREE WILL. And with the kind of terms you are suggesting he’s much better off just waiting out free agency.
He’s from Cuba…so he doesn’t understand free will…JS
That would be insane for Chapman. You’re right with Miller and Severino added that would likely get it done. Hate to part with Happ but Torres, Candelario, and Underwood would be fine to be included.
There is no way the Yanks are trading Sevi- so you can forget about that -it is comical to even mention it. Miller isn’t going anywhere either- he is signedfor 2 more yrs at a reasonable rate.
Everyone on the Yanks are on the table, I just had a thought, Yanks use Chapman and Beltran trade pieces and others to obtain Sale from the Sox.
These posts are way too long to bother reading.
Best chance at getting him to resign is win it all with him. Enough incentive right there, get more rings.
True, True, True, and the Cubs will be on top for awhile and have the money to get him. It’s a no brainer for him, look at what Heyward got and he took less money.
I guess another thing the Cubs could demand is that the Yankees pay all of the remaining $5M of Chapman’s contract, essentially making Chapman free for the Cubs. That’s the only way I could see a Torres+ deal for Chapman and Chapman alone make any sense. Again if this rumor was just Torres for Chapman straight up….. I wouldn’t be overly fond of it, but I’d pull the trigger if I were Hoyer and Theo. Bullpen would be pretty legit then. Not only would you be adding Chapman but you’d be subtracting Clayton Richard….. win-win, hahaha. Nathan, Grimm, Montgomery, Edwards, Wood, Strop, Rondon, and Chapman. That back FIVE is pretty d**n solid.
Yeah, Neil Huntingdon’s decision to make this a “transistion” year is looking smarter each day.
Vogelbach and Blackburn for chapman would of been nice
Not for the Yankees, they would have said take a hike. Why does everyone this Vogelbach is this super once in a lifetime prospect?!?!? I’m a Cubs fan and this is getting sickening still listening about this.
Cubs must be getting more than chapman I think
Cashman has played this well, Torres is a top prospect who will be ready when all the big money is off the books. He still might get a better offer from someone else. Chapman is worth the prospects for the top teams, he puts most of them in the drivers seat. Yankees could still sign him next year. Beltran will be next, and the way he is hitting he will get them another top prospect like Clevenger of the Indians.
Yankees could possibly with the stockpile of ss go out and try to get sale. They could offer the white Sox a package of Mateo, wade, gamel, sevy and refsynder.
The Sox aren’t looking for a shortstop.
Do the White Sox have some decent SSs in their farm?
They already have a rookie shortstop (Tim Anderson) that they’re very high on. If the Sox trade Sale, they will have to seek immediate impact players at positions of need in return.
I gotcha. Just so you know, it was a legit question. I was not trying to be satire.
That wou.ld be an insulting trade offer for Chris Sale
I am not a Cubs nor Yanks fan. But, I think the Cubs fans will be perfectly fine with this gamble when it is all said and done.
A good trade for both teams
Yeah, I did not mean to imply that the Yanks were getting ripped. Sorry if I did.
Oh I know. Just throwing that in there myself.
Who would be perfectly fine with giving up their #1 prospect plus another prospect for a half season rental of a closer? That’s not equitable.
All I am saying is if the Cubbies win their first world series since 1908, no one should complain. I am not saying it is a fair deal, nor that it is smart. I am more conservative when it comes to trades if I were a GM. I just am saying that it’s one of those high risk high rewards type deals.
The Yankees should feel lucky to get one top prospect for Chapman, due to his contract. I could see Miller garnering multiple prospects like this.
why this trade Yankees don’t need another shortstop.
You have to think of it like chess. You have to think 4 moves ahead. Just because they don’t need a SS does not mean that they can’t trade one, two get hurt, etc. Plus, Didi isn’t exactly Derek Jeter 2.0
The Yankees aren’t in a position to play chess with an aging, overpaid roster. If I’m the Cubs GM, I’m offering a spec and Soler for Miller, or a few mid-level specs for a Chapman rental.
Lol. The Yankees are not trading Miller for the vastly overrated Soler.
Obviously they are in a position to play chess. Looks like quite a haul they’re getting for a 3 month rental. Imagine what they’ll get if they decide to deal Miller.
ChiSoxCity… That whole post was a joke right?
Lol you mean rusney 2.0?
I’m sure he’s talking about Jorge Mateo, not Didi.
first of all don’t get too hung up on him being a SS. These kids swap positions all the time. He IS a commodity. He’s currency. Assuming he develops as people smarter than me are predicting he could find his way onto the team somewhere or gain value and be used to acquire someone else.
and to the why is he in the deal? people it’s clear the Cubs had to go there to trump out the other 3 teams that were/are after Chapman.
This is far from done … anything could happen right now.
Shortstops are usually decently athletic, enough so that they can change positions if need be. Either that or you can use that surplus as a trade chip.
Soler Is Not in the deal
It is interesting to look at Soler from a Braves’ fan perspective. He was a rumored target of the Braves for Shelby Miller. I wonder what it would have looked like if that trade went through in a hypothetical situation where the Braves got a similar package from the cubs (swapping Inciarte with Soler) instead of the one they got in the Diamondbacks. I think the Braves are probably happy with the one they got.
Yeah pretty certain Braves are not complaining. The Heyward to Miller to Swanson, Inciarte, and Blair worked out pretty well from start to finish.
Why does everyone think that Swanson and Blair have already worked out? They are still just prospects and, other than his CF boosted WAR, Inciarte is not exactly having a great year either. Yes, Miller is bad for AZ, but the Braves end is not exactly finished either.
Sounds like they are just ironing out details, hoping to hear more details soon.
It looks like this is going to be nothing but a day of F5’ing at work.
I prefer ctrl-R myself…
It’s Chapman for Torres and Warren 2 others according to Sherman. Yankees are not sending anyone else.
The goal is to win the World Series and not to stockpile potential talent. Cubs have done a great job of stockpiling talent and developing them of late and now they are cashing in on a few chips. Sounds like a good move to get a guy to close out the games. Rondon is nice but not Chapman and when you are trying to win a World Series, you need someone like Chapman. Russell is not going anywhere and neither is Baez. Every year, the Cubs will grab a top ranked SS so giving up one right now that is in the minors with no place to go right now, is a price you have to pay. You have to give something to get something. Deal with next year, next year…lets play for this year.
Not sure why Cubs fans are complaining…..you only get so many chances to get to a World Series, and a guy like Chapman is so important when there are close games against very good teams…..plus you have so many great prospects already up the middle……sometimes you just have to go for it!!
Im glad that the yankees finally pull the trigger and they get good prospects, but why torres? He’s good and all but his tools are very similar to mateo
I find it hard to believe that Jed and Theo would send four players for three months of Chapman; it doesn’t make sense. Especially since the Cubs have Rondon who’s been great this season. An arm like Chapman’s would be nice to have in the pen of course, but I hope this deal either gets better for the Cubs or doesn’t happen at all.
I see a lot of complaints that say Chapman is not worth Torres and prospects, but trade decisions are not always about equal player value. For example, sometimes it’s a salary dump. In this case not only does it give the Cubs a better chance of the prestige of a WS title, but there are a lat of revenue dollars involved. If the Cubs make it to the WS. If they win the WS their dollar returns will be astronomical with all of the merchandising.
Sure, they give away a very good PROSPECT, but they already have a ton of young MLB talent and other prospects in the pipeline. The trade is worth the risk.
Gleyber Torres, Adam Warren, Dylan Cease, and Jen Ho-Tseng is my guess.
LOL
Billy McKinney going back to Yankees as well.
Just saw this too. That’s insane. I would think Chapman got the extension.
No extension talks according to the report last night. I doubt he’d sign one anyway three months out from being a free agent.
And then the Rangers swooped in with an offer of Josh Hamilton for Chapman straight up. Done deal.
Warren Torres and two scrub players for Chapman is a little much. Jankees need to add at least one more 4 for 2. The only way its decent is Chapman signs an extension 4/70 and 5th year option 17.5 mil a year. He won’t top that. That’s a lot for a closer.
Is McKinney a scrub?
twitter.com/sahadevsharma/status/75759156196215603…
Definitely not a scrub. He doesn’t have one tool that outshines others, but could become a starting outfielder that could play center. Higher floor, lower ceiling.
I know he’s not. It was a rhetorical question to Wrek who expected 2 scrubs.
McKinney is a good prospect but not top tier like Torres or Jimenez
Just remember, trades don’t have to, and most of the time are not “fair” in baseball.
Wrek305… The Yankees don’t need to do anything. If Theo agrees to the deal, he agrees to the deal. You don’t think adding arguably the best closer in the game (Britton and Jansen are right up there to, you can’t lose no matter how you stack those guys 1-3) and giving the Cubs the BEST chance to end their 108 year World Series drought is worth moving a single A prospect for? Who by the way, is most likely 2-3 years away and is blocked at 2B, 3B and SS long term by Zobrist/Baez, Russell and Bryant.
Theo once again showing Rizzo who deserves to win the World Series. Stupid Nats now they have to face Chapman instead of giving the Yanks Giolito or Turner is over Nats fans.
Nats can still get Miller. Not saying they will have to give up Giolito or Turner , but I’m sure a deal can work out.
Yup. Nats have a number of other top prospects, including Robles, Lopez, and Fedde.
Technically speaking, the Nats could still get Miller. I do agree with that, however, it’s going to be harder to acquire Miller if/when this Chapman trade happens. The Yankees would effectively be waiving the white flag for the next 2 years if they move Miller, unless the return is huge and full of MLB or near MLB talent. Think of what the Astros paid for Giles and what the Red Sox paid for Kimbrel. Those packages would be the benchmark for a Miller deal, and I’m not at all sure the Nats would build that kind of package.
I don’t think Chapman would be the answer to the Nationals winning the World Series, which is why Rizzo isn’t pulling the trigger. It’s also the reason Rizzo ISN’T stupid. Lol Zimmerman hasn’t been the same since what? ’12? Werth is Werthless still. If Murphy couldn’t put the Mets on his back last year and win the WS, what makes you think he’s going to to propel the Nationals this year with an inferior rotation?
Cubs better have an extension ready for Chapman, otherwise this trade is totally overblown. Love Chapman as a player, but the Cubs gave up a lot for three months of one player.
I don’t see Chapman not testing free agency in a couple months and starting a bidding war
Cubs must view this as a pure rental
Most people agree that he has a lot to gain by testing free agency. It probably is the more prudent route. But with as much as it seems going back to the Yankees, there are implications as to more value going back to Chicago than just 3 months of a relief pitcher.
There is No extension recently Chapman gave an interview of how he love NY he even if traded he would like to returned, he is going to go in the open market and the Yankees are just going to over spent everybody else. They have a lot of money of the books. This is a rental nothing more.
Seems like way to much for Chapman. Has to be another player involved maybe Beltran or another OF?
I doubt Beltran. I don’t see him going to a NL team. Plus, I think the Cubs are set at the OF. However, I can’t say without a doubt that you are incorrect though. You never know.
Love it! Thank you Cubs for your #1, #5 and #7 overall prospect we’ll also take the useful Adam Warren back. Enjoy two months of Chapman and good luck on the ring.
Would be hilarious if the Yanks really raided the Cubs farm system like that and resigned Chapman at the end of the year.
Cubs fans would you guys rather have done this deal or Chapman for Schwarber straight up?
I would still say no to losing Schwarber
If this deal is complete it is a definite overpay but I would do it in a heartbeat over trading Kyle Schwarber, a hitter who resembles Babe Ruth at the plate more than any I have seen as a 60 year old die hard MLB fan.
Wow, quite a haul by Cashman, Warren can fill the long relief spot and I like Green moving to the 7th, Betances 8th, and Miller 9th. This won’t hurt the Yanks chances this year either.
Now with this trade Cashman has the Nats what are going to do? You want to compete Nats because the Cubs are favorites to winning it all. You want Miller ok Giolitto or Turner plus 2 of your top 30 prospects. How you like them apples!
Exactly!
If the Cubs would be willing to trade 3 top prospects and a serviceable MLB pitcher for a 2-3 month rental in Aroldis Chapman it begs the question: How much would they or any other team be willing to pay for a cheap and controllable ace like Chris Sale?
No kidding. I would be interested to see.