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Latest On The Rangers’ Offseason

By charliewilmoth | December 21, 2016 at 2:34pm CDT

Here’s the latest on the Rangers’ progress this offseason, via ESPN’s Jerry Crasnick (all Twitter links).

  • The Rangers have asked the White Sox about Jose Quintana, Crasnick writes. The Rangers likely won’t be significant bidders for Quintana, however, unless the White Sox’ price comes down. The two teams discussed Quintana at the trade deadline during the season, and the White Sox asked for Jurickson Profar plus “a lot more.” The Rangers thought that price was too high. There would, of course, be little reason for the White Sox not to ask for a lot in return for Quintana, who is controllable for the next four seasons. While it’s not surprising that the White Sox wanted more than Profar in exchange for Quintana, the basic framework of the deal makes sense — the Rangers reportedly targeted another controllable starter, Joe Ross, when the Nationals asked about Profar.
  • The Rangers are still pursuing potential trades for starting pitchers, Crasnick writes. The Rangers’ rotation is strong at the top with Cole Hamels and Yu Darvish, and Martin Perez makes a decent third option. But they’re weak after that, with wild-card new signee Andrew Cashner topping a list of possible fourth and fifth starters.
  • The Rangers also continue to linger on the periphery of Edwin Encarnacion’s market. Encarnacion’s agent said earlier today that several teams had made offers to Encarnacion of three or four years, although it’s unclear if the Rangers are one of those teams. GM Jon Daniels has said that it’s “highly unlikely” the Rangers will sign Encarnacion, despite a clear opening for a bat to play first base and/or DH.
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  1. Ezlove

    8 years ago

    I think the Rangers need to save their money so they can resign Lucroy and Darvish next offseason, and maybe trade for A controllable starter to fill the mid to bottom of the rotation further

    Reply
    • dbacksrs

      8 years ago

      Agree. The AL West is becoming a pretty good division with the recent emergences of the Astros and the M’s, and you know the Angels will come back eventually.

      Reply
      • lesterdnightfly

        8 years ago

        Agree with the first part, but for the Angels, competing “eventually” will probably happen several years from now.

        Reply
        • ryanw-2

          8 years ago

          People were saying the same thing after their miserable 2013 season and then the next season they had the best record in the Majors.

          Reply
        • dbacksrs

          8 years ago

          If their rotation can get healthy (and stay healthy) I can see them doing well again. Maybe not in 2017 or even 2018, but they will eventually come back. The A’s on the other hand..

          Reply
        • lesterdnightfly

          8 years ago

          Sure, one can dream that the Angels will someday compete. But look at the difference between that roster and the AAAA roster they are cobbling together this year.
          That, and the competition in the AL West is much greater now.

          Reply
        • bruinsfan94 2

          8 years ago

          Angels have a ton of injury risk, and while some big contracts are coming off the books soon ( Weaver,Wison) they have a huge albatross, tons of money tied up on two players, one of the worst farm systems in baseball, and they really lack the talent on the MLB team that can be traded for quality prospects. Thats not a pretty roster with that payroll.

          Reply
        • tim815

          8 years ago

          Their system can be upgraded. If management decides to go that way.

          Reply
        • cuscus85

          8 years ago

          They don’t have huge money tied to two players. Angels payroll will be roughly $30 million dollars south of the salary cap this season.

          As of now, they only have $108 (including arbitration) committed if they decline Nolasco and Street’s options. And the cap will be increasing next season.

          There’s plenty of talent to trade away for prospects but the team isn’t in a full rebuild. Trout, Calhoun, Escobar, Simmons, Bedrosian, Skaggs, Shoemaker, Richards and Cron could all net prospects. It’s not Eppler’s strategy at this point.

          Reply
        • vtadave

          8 years ago

          Angels need to tank. I’m assuming Arte will never let Preller trade Trout, but they should certainly be open to dealing pretty much anyone else.

          Kole Calhoun has three years of team control and could fetch a nice piece or two. Given he’s 29, it may be prudent to deal him now.

          Yunel Escobar is 34 and nothing special, but he did hit .300 in each of the last couple years and perhaps a team will find value in that. Maybe Boston? Marte and/or Cowart can handle 3B.

          Huston Street is of no use, but given his $9 million salary, knee, and 2016 performance, the Angels might not get much here. Still, if he’s healthy in March, the Angels should be open to dealing him.

          I’d be open to dealing any of the starting pitching, but guys like Skaggs, Richards, and Shoemaker probably are all July trade candidates given the need for each to prove they are healthy and effective.

          Reply
        • RickyAdams79

          8 years ago

          The angels r paying roughly 60-65 million for Pinole, Hamilton and trout. And in 2018 trout salary goes from like 18 mill to 30+ million with raises yearly. Heavily backloaded and Thayer gonna regret that bout 2018-20

          Reply
        • GeoKaplan

          8 years ago

          If Preller traded Trout (or any other Angel) he’d be guilty of tampering, since he’s the GM of the Padres.

          Reply
        • GeoKaplan

          8 years ago

          If I interpret what you were trying to write, it is doubtful the Angels would “regret” Trout’s salary when we see the nutso salaries Harper and Machado will command as free agents.

          Reply
        • cuscus85

          8 years ago

          Trout is the best player in baseball with an extremely team friendly contract. They won’t regret a thing.

          Plus in 2018, payroll will only be $108 million if they decline Nolasco and Street Options. That’s plenty of room to work under the roughly $190 million luxury tax.

          Reply
        • RickyAdams79

          8 years ago

          19 mill this year, then 33 million a year is team friendly?

          Reply
        • GeoKaplan

          8 years ago

          It will be so when the contracts for Machado and Harper are signed. Both are highly-productive, but still lesser, players. Comparatively speaking, Trout will be underpaid by then.

          Besides which, if you value 1 WAR as worth $8M, Trout has already offset the total contract at this point. The entire deal through 2020 season is worth $144.5M, and he’s posted 20 WAR over the past two seasons alone. Even half the annual productivity for future years is enough to cover his salary.

          Trout is on a completely different plane from most other players. This isn’t the same as wondering if Andrus will provide sufficient value to justify his deal. Trout’s already done that, with four more seasons left on his contract.

          Reply
        • gammaraze

          8 years ago

          So are you saying that $181M over 4 years isn’t huge money? That’s the combined salary of Pujols and Trout for the next 4 years. I’m sorry, but you’re just wrong, no other way to put it.

          Reply
        • GeoKaplan

          8 years ago

          No, you’re misinformed. The back end of Pujols’ contract is nasty, but Trout continues to outperform his deal. It’s “huge money” only when it’s a Vernon Wells-type deal and there is zero production coming back to the team.

          Return on the dollar continues to be overwhelmingly positive for Trout, and will look like a bargain once Harper and Machado sign their free agent deals. High cost for premium talent is the way the game works. And some talent is more premium than others.

          Reply
        • Joe Shlabotnik

          8 years ago

          Their pitching is older, they have the worst farm system in baseball, and their big league positional talent is 4 players deep.

          Reply
        • herecomethephillies2018

          8 years ago

          What is this salary cap you speak of…

          Reply
      • pullhitter445

        8 years ago

        The Mariners and angels are sub par teams. Angels are so financially screwed and have an atrocious farm system. Mariners are stuck in mediocrity. Texas needs a bullpen and let’s see if the Astros can deliver on there potential. A lot of issues with each of those teams in a bad al west.

        Reply
        • Phil Merkel

          8 years ago

          Rangers have a fine bullpen. Don’t know where you get your information from.

          Reply
        • jdgoat

          8 years ago

          They overachieved last year so they could easily come back to earth

          Reply
        • RickyAdams79

          8 years ago

          Yea. Diekman, dyson, Barnett, bush, Jeffers is pretty good bullpen

          Reply
      • jakeperrow

        8 years ago

        Mariners are going to win the division this year hands down

        Reply
    • toby312

      8 years ago

      They could trade for Quintana and with the money they save on his way below market value contract for next four years still sign those 2 to extensions

      Reply
      • RickyAdams79

        8 years ago

        White sox want profar and prospects! We don’t have prospects. We gave them up for hamels, lucroy and beltran

        Reply
        • Phil Merkel

          8 years ago

          Sorry, Ricky, but that’s not true.

          Reply
        • RickyAdams79

          8 years ago

          Again I’d like to know who

          Reply
    • RickyAdams79

      8 years ago

      Reports r he’s gonna ask 30 mill a year. As bad as we need pitching I’d pass on that price. He maybe a true #1, but he’s not kershaw, sale, mad bum,

      Reply
      • kenster84

        8 years ago

        That’s not for 4 years

        Reply
        • Aaron Sapoznik

          8 years ago

          Which might be quite the bargain come 2021. lol

          Reply
        • RickyAdams79

          8 years ago

          What’s not for 4 yrs

          Reply
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  2. alexgordonbeckham

    8 years ago

    Hard pass on the Rangers system unless they would include Mazara in a deal for Q. Three years of Profar does not do anything for a rebuild.

    Reply
    • sss847

      8 years ago

      amen. the prospects traded for lucroy would have worked well in a Q package, but now they don’t really have anything that makes sense from a quality standpoint

      Reply
      • RickyAdams79

        8 years ago

        Not really. We have 1 prospect in top 100. We have everything we had for cole, lucroy, and beltran

        Reply
      • Phil Merkel

        8 years ago

        Again, I respectfully disagree

        Reply
        • RickyAdams79

          8 years ago

          Then, please tell me What do u think we have other than mendez

          Reply
    • madmanTX

      8 years ago

      Harder pass on Quintana if it means gutting what is left of the Rangers farm system. If they wouldn’t do it to get Sale…

      Reply
      • alexgordonbeckham

        8 years ago

        I should have worded my original comment differently. Hard pass on the Rangers system. If Mazara is off the table, then they have nothing. Profar does nothing for the Sox and I don’t want Gallo.

        Reply
  3. Steven P.

    8 years ago

    I seriously do not understand the Profar love. He has been a replacement level player the past three seasons and is only under control for three more years

    I would not be interested in him at all

    Reply
    • alexgordonbeckham

      8 years ago

      Agreed 100%.

      Reply
    • Travis’ Wood

      8 years ago

      I agree completely. Why any of these rebuilding teams want Profar is beyond me. He will be a free agent before Quintana…

      Reply
      • wdwyer

        8 years ago

        It’s because he is young and has a lot of upside

        Reply
    • IACub

      8 years ago

      He didn’t even play two of the past three years, plus he is still pretty young and was a highly- regarded prospect.

      Reply
      • alexgordonbeckham

        8 years ago

        No one is really disputing that. Just that it doesn’t make much sense for a rebuilding team not looking to compete for 3+ years from now. He would probably be a good option for the Dodgers at second since there is no room for him to get every day at bats in Texas.

        Reply
    • madmanTX

      8 years ago

      That’s why you’re not a GM

      Reply
    • RickyAdams79

      8 years ago

      The first year was rc year, and last 2 years he was out with shoulder injury. So I doubt he was replacement level. But he’s 22 years old, can play almost any position, and was #1 prospect what just 3 years ago. As a ranger fan I have way more love for profar than gallo

      Reply
  4. baseball lover

    8 years ago

    I believe they want Profar for the chance he lives up to past expectations, but he is the second piece behind Mazara, Odor and even Gallo

    Reply
    • lesterdnightfly

      8 years ago

      Not much demand for Joey Gallo. Take Ernest and Julio; they’re much more productive.

      Reply
      • baseball lover

        8 years ago

        I’m not giving up on Gallo yet, he has not really had a chance to play regularly and how they used him last year was stupid.
        His stock could be down for sure, but he is only 23 and if he can hit 40 HR consistently he will have a job for many years

        Reply
        • RickyAdams79

          8 years ago

          He’s not gonna hit 30 a year. He’s gonna have like a .220 batting average. Mark Reynolds type player. Like Davis and Reggie but even lower batting average

          Reply
        • CubsFanForLife

          8 years ago

          I don’t want to give up on Gallo either, but the Rangers are adamant in that they’re not going to play him. That K rate took a turn for the worse last season, but this is potentially Chris Davis – 40 HR power with a 220 avg. For Gallo’s sake, I hope he gets traded somewhere like San Diego… where there’s an actual place for him to play.

          Reply
      • GeoKaplan

        8 years ago

        LesterDNightfly–hello, Baton Rouge.

        The Gallo line was great

        Reply
        • lesterdnightfly

          8 years ago

          “I wait all night for comments like these…..”
          Thanks.
          MLBTR is the new WJAZ. From the foot of Mt. Belzoni……

          Reply
    • Steven P.

      8 years ago

      Gallo’s value is way down after awful performances at the mlb level

      Power does not matter if you can’t make contact

      Reply
      • baseball lover

        8 years ago

        I disagree, plenty of examples in league now
        He can hit 250 and that is average in majors
        He will always strikeout a lot but so do others
        He might not be a fit for Banny ball is the issue

        Reply
        • RickyAdams79

          8 years ago

          And he’s not gonna hit .250, more like .200-.220

          Reply
        • chesteraarthur

          8 years ago

          He hasn’t hit 250 since double A. You really think he’s gonna be a 250 hitter against MLB pitching? I guess it’s possible if he stops striking out 40% of the time, but i wouldn’t bet on it.

          Reply
        • antonio bananas

          8 years ago

          the problem is a high k rate is one of the strongest correlations to poor MLB performance. 40% is insanely high. basically looking at a post achilles injury Ryan Howard type of slash.

          Reply
  5. ImDaBaron

    8 years ago

    Rangers are going to be waiting a long time if they expect Qs price to go down

    Reply
    • madmanTX

      8 years ago

      I doubt the Rangers are waiting on the White Sox. They just kicked the tires and walked away.

      Reply
      • baseball lover

        8 years ago

        I agree with this. You don’t know unless you ask

        Reply
    • takeyourbase

      8 years ago

      He’ll pitch in Chicago again in ’17.

      Reply
  6. socalblake

    8 years ago

    Good thing they didn’t sign Bautista. That would’ve been awkward if Odor and his lockers were adjacent.

    Reply
    • madmanTX

      8 years ago

      Awkward for Bautista maybe.

      Reply
      • socalblake

        8 years ago

        Odor would be telling him: go clean ma cleats.

        Reply
        • lesterdnightfly

          8 years ago

          Maybe clean cleats would help Odor have a respectable OBP and play a little defense.

          Reply
        • RickyAdams79

          8 years ago

          Yes sir. Bring that avg up bout 15-20 points and not be worst 2nd base defender and he’d be a stud

          Reply
        • bluejaysfan

          8 years ago

          Agree with RickyAdams. If he could get rid of his small man syndrome that would help too. Bautista slide was BUSH, but he barely touched the hobbit. Odor could be top 3 second baseman in the league with some leadership. Dude is good

          Reply
        • gammaraze

          8 years ago

          Not sure how having clean cleats would help with taking walks…

          Reply
    • baseball lover

      8 years ago

      His agent asked and was told thanks but no thanks
      Lol

      Reply
      • RickyAdams79

        8 years ago

        Oriole’s told him something.

        Reply
  7. jochilz

    8 years ago

    You can tell from the way Pro plays he has special abilities. What about Odor in a package? Just speculating, we have to clear a spot either way

    Reply
    • baseball lover

      8 years ago

      The last I heard the Sox wanted either Odor or Mazara, Profar and 2-3 more prospects

      Reply
      • jochilz

        8 years ago

        That’s steep, I’d be willing to say put a Odor and Gallo package with some throw ins but we can’t lose all that talent and for sure not both Odor and Pro

        Reply
  8. Overbrook

    8 years ago

    Rangers don’t have the prospects for Quintana. If Whitesox want Profar as centerpiece they need their head examined;…and the Rangers need 2 shrinks if they wouldn’t accept it.

    Reply
  9. punchandjudy

    8 years ago

    Dear Rangers,

    You can have Brandon McCarthy or Scott Kazmir for almost nothing–or, heck, let’s just say nothing–in return.

    Sincerely,

    Dodger Fan

    Reply
    • baseball lover

      8 years ago

      Lol
      We have plenty of those types around now at a cheaper price

      Reply
  10. asuchrisc

    8 years ago

    Rangers have gutted their farm system with trades over the last 3-4 years. Look at the players they gave up with nothing to show for it. If they do trade for Quintana it’ll finish off what was already a depleated minor league system. If they do that, they’ll be living off free agency or end up in a rebuilding phase sooner rather than later IMO.

    Reply
    • RickyAdams79

      8 years ago

      Nothing to show? IMO, we did overpay! But I wouldn’t call hamels, lucroy, diekman, Jeffress nothing. We’re behind astros and mariners in standings without hamels

      Reply
      • bluejaysfan

        8 years ago

        Once again I agree RickyAdams. Those are 4 legit players that most teams would be happy inserting into their lineups. Texas is still the team to beat in the West. I think they are right there with Boston, Cleveland and Houston

        Reply
    • Phil Merkel

      8 years ago

      Their farm system is not gutted…good grief!

      Reply
      • jdgoat

        8 years ago

        How? Their top guys have huge question marks like Gallo and Profar. Their stock has both fallen tremendously. Beyond that, there’s not much at all

        Reply
      • RickyAdams79

        8 years ago

        for guys like sale, Quintana, and archer top 100 prospects near major league ready r what r gonna be needed. We only have 1 top 100…yohander Mendez. And after him only 2-3 guys are triple a or above

        Reply
  11. astros_fan_84

    8 years ago

    I think the Rangers should go all in while they can, then rebuild.

    Reply
  12. siliconmessiah

    8 years ago

    I find it interesting that people are saying the Sox won’t get what they want for Q which is what we heard them say about Sale. Well, guess what? They got a haul for Sale and they will for Jose as well OR they just will hold onto him. No need to trade him just ’cause. Get all the value possible. I’m sorry but to trade him for whatever just because you won’t compete is stupid and I hope they don’t do that.

    Reply
    • GeoKaplan

      8 years ago

      That’s the essential truth.

      Quintana is very affordably signed, so there is no financial urgency to trade him. The market will come to the White Sox. My guess is that he’ll be in a different uni by the end of 2017, though he may not be traded until the deadline. The White Sox will do very well at that time.

      Reply

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