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NL Notes: Phillies, Greinke, Carpenter, Nats

By Jeff Todd | March 9, 2017 at 10:53pm CDT

As his organization embarks on a year in which it hopes to see continued growth, Phillies GM Matt Klentak discussed the state of the club on MLB Network on Sirius XM (Twitter link). Klentak says he sees “a lot of growth,” with many young players joining major league camp for the first time. The club’s winter strategy was to “do everything we can to supplement this group” of young talent, he says, while being careful “not to stunt the development of our young players.” As for hyped shortstop prospect J.P. Crawford, Klentak says that having two established middle infielders in Freddy Galvis and Cesar Hernandez allows the team to avoid rushing him to the bigs after an aggressive promotional timeline through the minors.

Here are a few more notes out of the National League:

  • Diamondbacks righty Zack Greinke has continued to exhibit slower-than-usual fastball velocity this spring, as Nick Piecoro of the Arizona Republic reports. The veteran didn’t crack 90 mph in his second spring outing; while he noted “it’s still early,” Greinke did acknowledge “it’s not ideal, either.” Skipper Torey Lovullo said that he’s not concerned at this point, but a rival scout does tell Piecoro that he observed a downturn in Greinke’s offerings. At this point, it’s just something to watch, but as Piecoro notes, there are some additional reasons concern, including Greinke’s late-2016 shoulder issues and his delayed start to spring (which the team says wasn’t due to health).
  • Cardinals first baseman Matt Carpenter is playing, but only bunting in game action as he works through lower back pain. He’s about ten days from being ready to hit in a game, per Derrick Goold of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch (via Twitter). While that doesn’t leave a ton of time for Carpenter to ramp up for Opening Day, it seems he’ll be able to do so barring a setback.
  • The Nationals played a reduced role on the international market for quite some time, but as Jorge Castillo of the Washington Post writes, the club was able to find value in older Dominican players. As ever, age is relative; the Nats were targeting players who had fallen through the cracks of the traditional July 2 market and remained unsigned at 17 or 18 years of age. Outfielder Rafael Bautista was late to the game, but showed enough to command a $35K bonus and has shown enough to earn a 40-man spot, as has first baseman Jose Marmolejos. Catcher Pedro Severino and infielder Wilmer Difo were some of the others who signed for little but have already reached the bigs as the Nats targeted “pitchers and middle-of-the-field players with tools,” as Castillo writes. It’s an interesting look at the organization’s strategy, which has certainly evolved over recent years.
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  1. 24TheKid

    8 years ago

    @dbacks-your screwed.

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  2. houseoflords44

    8 years ago

    It is a good thing that the Phillies aren’t rushing Crawford. He struggled some offensively in AAA last season. He also had some issues with taking his offensive struggles to the field with him. Sending him back to AAA to start this season allows Crawford the opportunity to work through these things

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    • pukelit

      8 years ago

      Yea I’m definitely glad they are sending him to AAA. People seem to think he’s going to be a bust just because he didn’t have a very good year last year but people don’t realize that he was one of the youngest people at AAA last year. We’ve come to expect people to make it through the minors when they’re 19/20 because of guys like Bryce Harper, but in reality that rarely happens. JP is gonna be a stud; they just need to let him get his footing at AAA before they move him up again

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    • lesterdnightfly

      8 years ago

      Crawford might be up sooner than expected, or the Phils may need a placeholder.
      Hard to see Freddy Galvis sustaining starter levels with his bat. Those 20 homers were an outlier; his OPS of .673 in 2016 and .648 career aren’t.

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  3. jdgoat

    8 years ago

    The Phillies might be the next team to fit the Cubs mold on slowly building a dynasty. They have a fairly nice group of prospects, and a young rotation that will only get better. Then they get to add in a ton of money probably starting next offseason and Matt klentak might have the most enviable job in the MLB. I think they gotta be the favourites for the machado sweepstakes or at least a couple of other top free agents.

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    • EndinStealth

      8 years ago

      Let the Cubs win a couple in a row before you dub them a dynasty. And lots of other teams have rebuilt in that same style over the years. They were far from the first.

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      • jdgoat

        8 years ago

        Other teams just don’t have the young talent already playing big roles yet though or the big payroll possibility

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        • EndinStealth

          8 years ago

          You must be a casual fan or just started following baseball. Their method is nothing new. Teams have done this many times before.

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        • jdgoat

          8 years ago

          What team is set up Bette Ron your opinion? The braves maybe but their young guys haven’t really reached the majors yet. Every other rebuilding team is in the early stages

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        • EndinStealth

          8 years ago

          No, you said to fit the Cubs mold. The Cubs did not create the mold. It has been done many many times before. Even the past Yankees used it.

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        • jdgoat

          8 years ago

          Ok I was talking about the current team that is set up the best for the future. Sorry that was such a big deal

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    • stymeedone

      8 years ago

      So you’re saying the Phillies will win in another 90 years?

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      • adiact

        8 years ago

        this made me lol

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    • carlsoce

      8 years ago

      Cubs win their 1st WS in 108 years and now they are a dynasty? Delusional

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      • Brixton

        8 years ago

        They arent a dynasty, but their young talent is the best on any team in a very long time

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        • jakem59

          8 years ago

          Plenty of teams have had extremely talented young players , the Cubs are just the first big market/checkbook team to do it via a complete sell off. Cleveland, Arizona, Oakland, Cincinnati, the McCourt Dodgers, Rays, and Kansas City have all had extremely talented young teams without the fiscal abilities to fill in the gaps with a Zoberist, Lester, or Lackey like addition.

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      • jdgoat

        8 years ago

        They’re set up for the next decade to be one

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        • gocincy

          8 years ago

          A decade is pretty long in baseball. The Cubs have a great group of young position players. They don’t have a great group of young pitchers. Far from it, in fact. Just like the 1990s Indian teams, that could prove to be their Achilles over time.

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      • timyanks

        8 years ago

        the cubs will always be remembered for the 108 year dynasty of losing. there’s no way the could beat it by 109 years of winning.

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        • lesterdnightfly

          8 years ago

          Another salvo from the so-called “BFIB”?

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      • Outlaws12

        8 years ago

        Cubs fans. Lol
        If they would only enjoy their title and shut up.

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  4. johnny53811

    8 years ago

    I’m so glad the Giants didn’t end up with that terrible contract on their payroll. Not sure how close the Giants were in the sweepstakes but this is looking like a Lincecum situation; once that velocity starts to go, it’s all downhill from there.

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    • jdgoat

      8 years ago

      I don’t know about lincecum, but greinke’s a guy who excels on pin point accuracy. I think he still ha at least another couple good years in him even if he’s not hitting 90 regularly

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      • jonnyblah

        8 years ago

        I agree that he could still be successful with some drop in velocity as a control guy, but that contract… that’s what hurts.

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  5. NicTaylor

    8 years ago

    Wow Italy, jus WOW

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    • stymeedone

      8 years ago

      What part of the article was about Italy?

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      • NicTaylor

        8 years ago

        None of it, was on the article watching WBC and amazed by Italy’s comeback win

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  6. joshb600

    8 years ago

    Is it at all possible, that Greinke, who basically just went to whoever would pay him the most, now just has no real reason to give a F anymore?

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    • davidcoonce74

      8 years ago

      That’s not remotely in his character. He’s a hyper-competitive guy.

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      • realgone2

        8 years ago

        Yeah I never buy the “he got paid now he doesn’t give a crap” story. Even if you are getting paid who would want to be the subject of constant ridicule for crappy performance?

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        • chesteraarthur

          8 years ago

          pablo sandoval

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        • realgone2

          8 years ago

          And you’re close personal friends with him?

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      • jakem59

        8 years ago

        I remember reading an article about him and his game prep in the Wall Street Journal, the guy is crazy prepared. In LA he used to draw up full plans for the coaches on how he wanted defensive shifts for each batter and his plans were so crazy detailed down to the littlest things like pitches per batter. He probably has a nice long career as a Scout/GM whenever he decides to hang it up.

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        • BlueSkyLA

          8 years ago

          True story. When they played together in LA, Grienke was Spock to Kershaw’s Kirk.

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        • lesterdnightfly

          8 years ago

          Together, they could have led the Dodgers to “Where No Man Has Gone Before.”
          Not sure I want to see a bare-chested, ripped-tunic Kershaw in every game, though….

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        • BlueSkyLA

          8 years ago

          And Mattingley was McCoy: “I’m a manager, not a miracle worker!”

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        • lesterdnightfly

          8 years ago

          You get a week’s shore leave on a Pleasure Planet — either Risa or Casperia Prime — for that.

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  7. realgone2

    8 years ago

    Man, the Dbacks are screwed. Who pushed for that Greinke deal? Was it Stewart or ownership?

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    • jakem59

      8 years ago

      Save for two starts, he really wasn’t that bad in the first half last year, he was just never the same when he came back from injury in August. The way the manager utilized him was atrocious in it’s on right, constantly rolling him out on 4 days rest, even after shoulder troubles,

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      • holycowdude

        8 years ago

        Yes. The D-Backs should have a new pitching coach this season, considering the way Grienke was handled, not to mention De La Rossa and Hudson. And don’t even get me started on Shelby Miller. Lastly, I fear for Taijuan Walker’s life/arm. Let’s sit back and see how badly they can screw up another once promising top of the rotation type pitcher.

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        • Wolf Hoffmann

          8 years ago

          Yeah it’s always the fault of the coaches. Never the fault of the spoiled and pampered pansy players. You would freak over the 4 man rotations of the 60’s and 70’s.

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        • jakem59

          8 years ago

          You mean the generation of pitchers whose arms were dead by their late twenties so they were either washed out of the league or experienced 2-4 year stretches of just bad baseball? There’s a reason those days are long gone.

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        • lesterdnightfly

          8 years ago

          Rocketride:
          Ted Lilly wasn’t a “pansy”. He was a Lilly. Nor were Pete Rose, Frank Viola, and Tyler Flowers.

          Begonia fool, I’ll be zinnia…

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        • BlueSkyLA

          8 years ago

          Wilmer Flores wants his vase back.

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        • lesterdnightfly

          8 years ago

          Wilmer could be starting at Third Vase this year…..

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        • BlueSkyLA

          8 years ago

          Now you’re just pollen my leg.

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    • CursedRangers

      8 years ago

      When are owners going to quit dishing out these monster long term contracts. They very rarely work out. Darvish will likely be the next one to score an absurd amount of money only to be a long term albatross for whoever signs him.

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  8. notagain27

    8 years ago

    Probably one of the smartest pitchers in the game today, I wouldn’t get too worked up over spring training velocities. Greinke may indeed have a injured shoulder, but he might also be pacing himself. Zach knows there aren’t any spring training stats on the back of his baseball cards!

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  9. twpguy

    8 years ago

    I’ve seen Crawford play quite a bit and just don’t get all this top prospect hype. I seen a kid with good plate discipline but surely not elite prospect level at hitting or defense

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