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West Notes: Padres, Astros, Dodgers, Rangers

By charliewilmoth and Connor Byrne | April 8, 2017 at 8:04pm CDT

This year’s Padres are turning “tanking” into an art form, Joel Sherman of the New York Post writes. The Padres feature three players selected in the Rule 5 Draft, plus an incredibly inexperienced outfield and three starting pitchers who have recently been released. GM A.J. Preller’s strategy this season, Sherman writes, amounts to a “more extreme version of, say, what the Astros and Cubs did” — essentially, being indifferent to winning in the short term in order to get choice draft picks. Notably, Sherman detects a personal tone to criticism of the Padres’ strategy from employees of other organizations, in part because of Preller’s failure to disclose some relevant medical information in past trades, including the deal last season that sent Drew Pomeranz to Boston.

  • The Astros have liked what they’ve seen so far of Charlie Morton, who signed a two-year, $14MM deal with the team last winter, Tyler Kepner of the New York Times writes. “I do believe that Charlie Morton isn’t a back-of-the-rotation guy,” said GM Jeff Luhnow during Spring Training. “He hit 97 three times in the first inning yesterday, with a lot of sink on his pitches and good secondary stuff. A healthy Charlie Morton could work himself into the conversation with Dallas Keuchel and Lance McCullers at the top of our rotation.” Morton allowed just two runs and two walks while striking out six in his first start of the year against the Mariners this week, although, uncharacteristically, he allowed 11 fly balls. Morton is excited about his new team’s prospects, Kepner writes. “The whole team is strong,” he says. “I just don’t see how we’re not set up to win.”
  • With Rich Hill on the disabled list, the Dodgers will reinsert left-hander Alex Wood into their rotation for Monday’s game against the Cubs, manager Dave Roberts announced Saturday (via Ken Gurnick of MLB.com). Wood wasn’t able to crack the Dodgers’ season-opening rotation, but he has enjoyed plenty of success as a starter. The 26-year-old has racked up 458 1/3 frames from the rotation and recorded a 3.40 ERA, 8.01 K/9 and 2.88 BB/9.
  • Rangers third baseman Adrian Beltre is eligible to come off the 10-day DL on Sunday, but the team is unsure if it will activate him, per T.R. Sullivan of MLB.com. “The bottom line is, we are in the information-gathering stage, and how he feels,” manager Jeff Banister said of Beltre, who’s sidelined with a calf injury. “We’ll go from there.” Beltre took live batting practice Saturday, though he’s not yet able to run at full speed. Considering they’re off Monday, the Rangers could opt against activating the 38-year-old in favor of a couple more days of rest.
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  1. mrpadre19

    8 years ago

    You may have to retract this story when Manuel Margot wins ROY and Hunter Renfroe hits 25 hr with 85 RBI.

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    • davidcoonce74

      8 years ago

      The position players aren’t the problem. The pitching is a joke. Fans still pay money to see the games and running five guys out there who shouldn’t be in the majors is pretty pathetic.

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      • LADreamin

        8 years ago

        Going to Petco is a magnificent experience in itself. You got downtown to get drunk in before the game, beautiful weather, amazing food… They’ll be alright. Not like it’s been World Series or bust every year in the past anyway.

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        • Seven_Costanza

          8 years ago

          All true, Petco is awesome

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        • jkim319

          8 years ago

          Also agree.. Petco is one of the best ballpark experiences in the game

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      • mrpadre19

        8 years ago

        Signing a couple “better” free agent starters that were available would have only meant “maybe” 8-10 more wins which would have only perpetuated our problems.
        Would you really rather win 75 games and draft 13th than win 65 games and draft 2nd?
        It would be different if signing a couple good starters might mean the playoffs….. it wouldn’t.

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    • AidanVega123

      8 years ago

      If*

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    • SD Speak For Myself

      8 years ago

      The giants don’t think we are tanking!

      Reply
  2. lowtalker1

    8 years ago

    All I hear is blah blah
    Cubs pirates astros all tanked in recent memory

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    • davidcoonce74

      8 years ago

      None of those teams ran out a rotation of AAA pitchers, nor did they pretend to use a catcher as a relief pitcher who has no business being on a mound. Nor did they have a roster that included three catchers and a rule 5 pick who spent 5 years in rookie ball.

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      • LADreamin

        8 years ago

        Hence why the Padres rebuild might not take as long as it could should they feel the need to produce .500 ball every year. They know they’re not going to win, so why does it matter how they lose. Saving payroll and going all in on the international market is smart. Those AAA pitchers are only on 1 year deals, it isn’t going to hurt long term to have them tank this years games for you. The more the Padres lose the better. Maybe there’s another Kris Bryant or Mike Trout in next years draft. They owe it to San Diego to find out. That city has had to tolerate mediocrity for a long time, a couple more years won’t hurt.

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        • davidcoonce74

          8 years ago

          I just find “tanking” an odd strategy in baseball. Top picks in the draft aren’t assured of being anything special unlike the NBA or NFL, where the top picks usually turn into stars. You can field a competitive major league team and do what the Padres have been doing, which is sign up IFAs like crazy.

          You mention Mike Trout, and that’s actually a pretty good example of the randomness of the MLB draft. In 2009 the Padres had the third pick in the draft. The first two picks were Strasburg, then Dustin Ackley. The Padres then picked a guy, Donavan Tate, who never got out of A-ball and they paid him a record signing bonus. Neither of the two guys drafted after Tate made the majors either. Picks 6-24 produced a few decent major leaguers – Leake,, Storen, Pollock, Shelby Miller, Mike Minor, and a bunch of busts – Jiovanni Mier, Alex White, Grant Green, Bobby Borchering, etc. Tha Angels took Trout with the 25th pick in that draft. Putting all your hopes in a franchise-changing player with a high-draft pick just doesn’t always work in Major League baseball.

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        • sdsuphilip

          8 years ago

          Top picks are still quite a bit more valuable than middle picks. Tanking in baseball goes far beyond the draft pick and draft bonus you get (which btw is significant)

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        • davidcoonce74

          8 years ago

          The only HS guy who would need a record-type bonus to sign is Hunter Greene and I’d steer way clear of a two-way guy with that sort of velo at such a young age. The Padres already traded slot money in the Kimbrel trade too, so I don’t think they care too much about bonus slots. Looking at top-5 draft picks over the last, say, 10 years is just not encouraging.

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        • beersy

          8 years ago

          The Padres “tanking” this year, will not help them in drafting Greene, he is eligible for this years draft. It will help the Padres bring aboard Seth Beer, or another player who shoots up the draft boards, next June.

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        • davidcoonce74

          8 years ago

          Oh yeah, duh. I wasn’t even thinking about Greene being eligible for this year’s draft. Oops. My mistake.

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        • davidcoonce74

          8 years ago

          Although, to be fair, the Padres pick third this year and Preller is said to covet Greene. Not that he can do anything to improve his chances of getting him.

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      • lowtalker1

        8 years ago

        Not one of them are triple a pitchers
        They’re MLB just not that good
        Some are good

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      • sdsuphilip

        8 years ago

        The Padres only starter who completely doesn’t belong in a major league rotation is Weaver. The rotation is god awful because it’s full of 4 backend starters+ weaver.

        Padres could have tanked even harder if they wanted to (I hope they do at the deadline), their roster still includes good relievers, solarte, and myers. And if Schimpf keeps this up he has some value too.

        Bethancourt is wasting a roster spot.

        Bottom line is Padres are doing what’s best to improve their future outlook, and there is nothing wrong with it.

        Also one of those rule 5 picks in a admittedly tiny sample looks like already a major league caliber reliever

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        • davidcoonce74

          8 years ago

          Solarte is 30 and Schimpf is 28. Not going to be a lot of value returning in those trades. If “tanking” is the strategy then why spend so much on IFAs? They’re more expensive than draft picks and just as volatile. Just do one or the other.

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        • dvm1

          8 years ago

          Huh? Solarte is making like $2.5 million a year. A 30 is not old. Its not like he’s a running back or something. He’d bring a decent haul, if he keeps it up. Schimpf is making peanuts and if he hits .250 and 25 HRs, you don’t think he’d be worth a few decent players? crazy.

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        • davidcoonce74

          8 years ago

          .250 and 25 HRs? That’s not that impressive in today’s game. That’s Jedd Gyorko, The Padres traded Gyorko a year ago for Jon Jay and they paid off some of Gyorko’s contract and Gyorko was younger then than Schimpf is now. I wouldn’t hold my breath for a big haul from dealing Schimpf.

          Solarte is “only” 30 but he has bad old-player skills – he’s dreadfully slow and his glove is below-average anywhere you play him. Other teams are aware of these things too.

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      • 66TheNumberOfTheBest

        8 years ago

        I had to put real thought into trying to remember who the Pirates ran out to the mound in 2008-2010.

        Maholm. Ohlendorf. Ian Snell. Zach Duke maybe?

        They gave Andy LaRoche an everyday job. ANDY LaRoche.

        They tanked. Only problem was the Nats tanked better and got Strasburg and Harper.

        I like what the Padres are doing. A few of those position players look like keepers.

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    • SamFuldsFive

      8 years ago

      The Pirates tanked for like 20 years.

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      • Seven_Costanza

        8 years ago

        And they weren’t even trying too

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  3. halloates13

    8 years ago

    That inexperienced outfield is fun to watch. I have no problem with it.

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  4. AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

    8 years ago

    Anderson Espinoza probably needs Tommy John surgery and they are still crying about the Pomeranz trade? Let it go. Seriously.

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    • lowtalker1

      8 years ago

      He doesn’t not elbow or tendons

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    • davidcoonce74

      8 years ago

      Ben Cherington didn’t get suspended a month for knowingly withholding medical information about Espinoza, while Preller did for knowingly withholding information about Pomeranz. Big difference.

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    • beersy

      8 years ago

      Where are you getting your medical reports?

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  5. MiserablePadreFan

    8 years ago

    The Padres are about to thump the Giants again to start the season 3-3. After they complete the sweep tomorrow, I’m thinking this team will be a playoff Cinderella story of the ages. They’ll make a movie about it and Brad Pitt will play AJP.

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    • LADreamin

      8 years ago

      Brad Pitt would play a splendid AJ Preller! “Nah, that elbow is clean as a whistle. No red flags here, friend. You can trust me…”

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      • mrpadre19

        8 years ago

        When did Preller lie about a players injury?
        Exaggerations are the bane of the Internet.
        He failed to provide documentation of “oral” medications provided to players.
        The difference could not be greater.

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        • davidcoonce74

          8 years ago

          Colin Rea is one example. And oral medications include anti-inflammatories, which are used to deal with injuries. Failure to reveal their use is, indeed, covering up an injury.

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    • SamFuldsFive

      8 years ago

      Its 6 games, bro lol

      Reply
  6. bastros88

    8 years ago

    Charlie morton had one game and pitched good, don’t you think it’s a bit soon to be calling him a good investment

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    • AvidAstrosFan

      8 years ago

      Do you think poor investment should be used instead?

      Reply
  7. mike156

    8 years ago

    As long at MLB and the CBA permits tanking and tear-downs, and revenue sharing subsidizes, you are going to see this

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  8. L.Wrong Hubbard

    8 years ago

    “Same as it ever was …. ”
    Preller looking very David Byrne-esque in that photo

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  9. TheMichigan

    8 years ago

    My name is A.J Preller and welcome to jackass, today we’re going to be one upping the Chargers and pranking the entire San Diego sports fan base…

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  10. Nohrz71

    8 years ago

    At least the Padres are honest to SD. They straight up told us we’re not going to be good this year, maybe not even the next. Unlike the chargers that say every year there super bowl contenders and end up games out of a playoff spot.

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    • davidcoonce74

      8 years ago

      I’m sorry, what do the Chargers have to do with the Padres? I thought we were talking about San Diego sports teams.

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  11. dvm1

    8 years ago

    Seriously people, find something better to complain about. The Padres are doing it the right way. Why do you care so much? Being a Padres’ fan, I love what they are doing. I watch every night. The stadium is full. People are having fun.

    The one thing people need to realize is that San Diego is an event town. If the Padres are in town, people are going to go watch. The stadium is beautiful in a beautiful setting. People come for the experience, not just to watch the Padres. Plus, most people in San Diego are fans of other teams. Just go to a Giants, Dodgers, Cubs, etc game.

    They are a lot of fun to watch. If you’re not a Pads’ fan, they stop worrying because the true fans are fine with it. Go troll some other board.

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    • jdgoat

      8 years ago

      Exactly. Would you rather continually be a middling team or have a couple dreadful seasons so you can hopefully have years as a top team

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      • davidcoonce74

        8 years ago

        I was born in San Diego, went to my first game in the first WS year of 1984. The Padres are the only team I’ve rooted for in my life. So I don’t think I have to prove my “true fan” bonafides to be critical of some decisions the Padres have made. Maybe they’re doing it “the right way,” but it’s going to be a few years before we know, and 16- and 17-year old prospects are highly volatile. But I don’t mind the idea of building from the ground up.

        But then the question remains: what were they doing in 2015? Why go all-in if the idea is to build something lasting? Why trade a good catcher in Grandal for a bad, expensive outfielder in Kemp when you could have gotten prospects for Grandal instead? Why sign Shields for so much money, trade him for a lottery ticket and eat the whole contract? Why trade for Justin Upton and then refuse to deal him at the deadline for Michael Fulmer, straight up (that deal is confirmed to have been offered, and Preller said no). The Myers trade has worked out as well as can be expected although I’d rather have a shortstop than a first baseman. Why waste a year of a rebuild to do all that? To maybe sneak into the wild card game?

        You could argue the farm system wasn’t that great and they did get a few prospects back in the Kimbrel deal, notably Margot, but they basically dealt a lot of minor-league depth and a few good prospects for Myers, Margot and…umm…Fernando Tatis Jr.? And they’re still paying tens of millions of dollars for players to play for other teams. Almost all the real prospects in the system they got through the IFA process, not by trading veterans for prospects.

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    • beersy

      8 years ago

      It’s funny, for years Padre fans and the media have been clamoring/wanting a rebuild, now that they are doing it the “right way” there are still complaints. I guess it’s hard to make people happy.

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    • SixFlagsMagicPadres

      8 years ago

      Everything about your post is right on point.

      This rebuild is what needs to happen right now. Many of us fans have been wanting a rebuild for a while now, and we finally have one that is being done the right way. Of course, there will always be people who complain. You can’t please everyone. Personally, I still plan on going to multiple games this season and having a great time watching the sport I love. And who knows, maybe a few years from now, this team’s fortunes will end up turning around nicely.

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  12. mrpadre19

    8 years ago

    The Padres should have done this 10 years ago instead of signing just enough mediocre free agents to finish 3rd-4th and draft in the teens.
    I’ve been saying it for years.
    But they are not necessarily “tanking”.
    If they replaced the Rule 5 guys which other players in the system…. and signed a couple better starters in free agency….. they would have maybe won 10 more games than they will and continued the problem of finishing 4th and drafting in the teens.
    What they are doing is realizing they need a couple years and not worrying about 10 more wins the next two seasons.

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  13. sngehl01

    8 years ago

    It doesn’t take much to be a good signing for that cost.

    He was good before he went down last year.

    He was during the ball this spring, great numbers. Does spring training mean anything? Not really, but it’s more encouraging than not when a guy like him is looking good. If he starts 30 games, he could very well be an excellent value.

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  14. sadresfan1

    8 years ago

    Most of the Padres fans I know are happy with the direction. Who cares what employees of other organization think? They are not from San Diego, and if they live in the area they are likely tranplants like many of those less fortunate to have not grown up here, yes I am referring all of you who fill Petco when your ‘team’ is in town. The system is full of talent, AJP is a high ceiling, high risk guy, I am looking forward to the ride.

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  15. AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

    8 years ago

    Anderson Espinoza on minor league DL with forearm tightness. That is ALWAYS a precursor to TJS

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    • sdking

      8 years ago

      No it’s not.

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  16. sdsuphilip

    8 years ago

    The padres and preller care very much about bonus money. Yes preller did the ownership mandate in his first year on the job but the padres have smartly changed course. Bonus money doesn’t only help with your first pick.

    And yes the padres drafted awful in the past with other GM’s that is not relevant

    Also

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  17. sdsuphilip

    8 years ago

    lol no chance

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  18. sdsuphilip

    8 years ago

    What? That makes no sense, tanking is to maximize future value. Which is exactly why you spend a ton of money on top international prospects. It makes zero sense to somehow say the padres spending massive money on talented prospects is somehow a negative

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  19. sdsuphilip

    8 years ago

    Jedd Gyorko was coming off two awful years when the padres traded him. Schimpf has power and walks a lot. Is he going to get back a top 100 prospect? Unlikely but if he proves last year was not a fluke he can get the padres back two decent prospect. Solarte has good old player skills. He has very good hand eye coordination, but yes he’ll decline past prime like anyone else. Both have real value if Schimpf keeps it up

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    • davidcoonce74

      8 years ago

      Schimpf is a TTO player, which is nice, but his defense is worse than even Gyorko’s, who was never that good. He might fetch a lottery ticket if he can prove 2016 wasn’t a stone fluke but he’s a DH-only type of guy in an era when teams are moving away from committed DHs. Solarte’ slowness and poor defense won’t improve with age, but he’s a good hitter now, rarely walks or strikes out. He might get a decent prospect despite being 30.

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      • sdsuphilip

        8 years ago

        No Schimpf is far from a DH only. He’s a below average defender at 2B or 3B but very much playable. This isn’t a Jermaine Dye or Matt Kemp situation

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        • davidcoonce74

          8 years ago

          He’s a below average defender at 3rd, and a really bad defender at second. I mean, occasionally guys like that are valued – Jed Lowrie has been around for years – but I doubt a team is giving up a lot for a guy they can’t occasionally stash as a DH. Especially a guy who has been good for one season in his professional career. (Although I have heard mention that he changed his swing last year to provide more loft – like half of baseball – so maybe if those changes are real he has a short career as a low-average TTO guy, which does have value.

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  20. Injediwetrust

    8 years ago

    Joel Sherman’s opinion on the Padres.holds as much weight as Buster Olney, Scott Miller, Dan O Dowd, and Chris Russo. Same old song with all of them. They all should just stick to their favorite subjects. The Yankees, Red Sox, Cubs, Cards, Giants and Dodgers.

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  21. astros_fan_84

    8 years ago

    It would be pretty hard to tank harder than the Astros. Personally, if I was a Padres fan, I’d be thrilled.

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  22. padreforlife

    8 years ago

    Thrilled? Padres have never drafted well in almost 50 years so now being pathetic is way out? Padres have made post season 5 times in almost 50 it’s not like it’s 60’s and 2 teams have made it. Padres started when NLCS started. Padres tanking is not answer.

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  23. sdsuphilip

    8 years ago

    The Padres drafting under former GM’s is completely irrelevant and with zero predictive power.

    Reply
  24. padreforlife

    8 years ago

    It is? Ok lol

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