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Trade Rumblings: Darvish, Marlins, Starters, Tigers, Astros, Iglesias, Hand

By Steve Adams | July 13, 2017 at 6:27pm CDT

There’s “increasing buzz” that the Rangers will listen to offers on top starters Yu Darvish and Cole Hamels if they don’t open the second half of the season with strong play, tweets ESPN’s Jerry Crasnick. It’s been previously reported that the Rangers will hold onto Darvish even if they fall out of the race, so that’d represent something of a change of mindset for GM Jon Daniels & Co. Darvish is set to hit the open market at season’s end, so if the Rangers are out of the race and don’t trade him, they run the risk of losing him to free agency (though he’d obviously receive and reject a qualifying offer, affording Texas some draft compensation). Hamels, meanwhile, hasn’t been listed as a potential trade target to date. He’s earning $23.5MM this year and next, and he’s owed at least $6MM as the buyout on a $20MM club option for the 2019 campaign. That contract and a bizarrely low strikeout rate (4.9 K/9) could complicate Hamels’ market, though he’s shown recent improvement with 12 strikeouts in his past 14 1/3 innings of work.

More trade chatter from around the league…

  • The Marlins have told other clubs that they’re ready to sell off assets, a rival executive tells Bleacher Report’s Scott Miller. According to Miller, the Marlins have spoken to more than 10 teams about right-hander David Phelps, and there are two or three clubs that are showing “serious” interest in closer AJ Ramos. “They’re working on it and talking to clubs,” the exec tells Miller. “But the conversations always end with one caveat, that they don’t know that the owner won’t bail at the last minute.” Miller adds that Giancarlo Stanton isn’t likely to move until the Marlins accept that they won’t get someone to take his salary and give prospects back. The industry feeling is that it’d have to be almost a straight salary dump. (Stanton can also veto any deal via his no-trade clause.) Miller’s column features a look at all 30 teams and their possible deadline course as well.
  • Sonny Gray, Justin Verlander and Gerrit Cole are available in trades, writes Jon Morosi of MLB.com, but the Athletics, Tigers and Pirates have each set a lofty asking price. Perhaps more interestingly, Morosi adds that the Braves have said right-hander Julio Teheran isn’t available, though he’s reportedly been drawing interest and others (including David O’Brien of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution and Jon Heyman of FanRag Sports) have said that Atlanta would at least consider offers. In addition to that overview of the market for pitchers, Morosi runs down a position-by-position preview of the market for bats.
  • Heyman reports that there’s little to no genuine interest in Justin Verlander at this time due to his huge contract and underwhelming numbers. Furthermore, he notes that due to Verlander’s status as a legend in Detroit, they can’t accept an underwhelming return and effectively signal to Tigers fans that his trade was a salary dump. There’s also very little interest in Ian Kinsler, according to Heyman, as the he’s struggled in 2017 and few teams are on the hunt for second base help. He adds that Alex Avila, J.D. Martinez and Justin Wilson are all drawing strong interest, however, so GM Al Avila should make some deals in the next 18 days.
  • In his weekly AL Notes column, Heyman reports that with few top starters left on the market, the Astros may instead pursue high-end bullpen help in an effort to shorten the game and load up the relief corps for the postseason. Unsurprisingly, their list of targets would include Zach Britton, if he’s available. (Most clubs in the league would perk up at the notion of acquiring a healthy Britton.)
  • Heyman also notes that Braves left-hander Jaime Garcia is one rental pitcher that interests the Royals. On the subject of Kansas City, he also notes that while the team does have interest in Marlins second baseman Dee Gordon, K.C. would want Miami to pay down some of the roughly $41MM remaining on Gordon’s contract, which the Fish aren’t willing to do. The same is true of the Angels and Blue Jays, he adds, both of whom like the player but not his current salary.
  • Meanwhile, in his NL Notes column, Heyman writes that the Reds are believed to be willing to listen to offers on closer Raisel Iglesias but would only move him for a package that would “blow them away.” The 27-year-old Iglesias has emerged as one of baseball’s best relievers and is controllable through the 2020 season. He’s affordable at the moment ($3.5MM in 2017), but his contract allows him to opt into arbitration once eligible, so his salary is going to balloon quite a bit between now and 2020. Heyman also notes that the Reds would be interested in a two- or possibly three-year deal with Zack Cozart but recognize that he can earn more than they’re willing to pay when he gets to free agency.
  • The Yankees, Nationals, Dodgers, Cubs, Brewers, Royals, Angels and Mariners could all be in the mix for lefty Brad Hand, Heyman reports. Regarding the Dodgers, Heyman and Robert Murray report that San Diego asked Los Angeles for top prospect Alex Verdugo in return, though there’s “no likelihood” of L.A. meeting that price. The Padres are also getting calls on cheap starters Trevor Cahill, Clayton Richard and Jhoulys Chacin, each of whom inked a one-year deal worth $1.75MM this past offseason.
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  1. AZPat

    8 years ago

    The D’backs sure could use Cozart.

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    • laswagn

      8 years ago

      Who would the dbacks give up?

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      • bigturtlemachine

        8 years ago

        How about Taylor Clarke and Jared Miller?

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    • sidewinder11

      8 years ago

      Not really? Owings has been solid this year and Ahmed will be back before playoffs start. No need to sell off what’s left of the farm system for a rental player that isn’t even needed. DBacks need relievers more.

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  2. ukhalo

    8 years ago

    What possible need do the Angels have for Hand?

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    • ReverieDays

      8 years ago

      No clue. They don’t even have the prospects to get him considering the likely asking price.

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      • angels fan 3

        8 years ago

        Yeah they do but not many but hand is not worth trading them for.

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        • padresfan

          8 years ago

          They don’t have what it takes to even get hand

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        • outinleftfield

          8 years ago

          I don’t know why the Angels would want Hand considering they have much bigger holes, but here goes.

          The Angels don’t have that top 50-100 impact prospect that most are saying will headline a 2 for 1 or 3 for 1 trade for Hand, but maybe Jones, Thaiss and Barria would get the trade done. No impact prospects, but 3 good prospects.

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        • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

          8 years ago

          That doesn’t seem to be Preller’s style. I don’t see him taking that over anyone else’s offer for Hand

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        • cmancoley

          8 years ago

          I would much rather see the Halos go for a cheaper lefty reliever like Tony Watson who would probably only cost us Chris Rodriguez and Paredes for him. Maybe even Felipe Rivero

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        • angels fan 3

          8 years ago

          Yeah they do

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        • Zico

          8 years ago

          No chance that Rivero is traded anytime soon. If he is, it’ll be a large package you won’t like.

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    • sprado1065

      8 years ago

      I know right lol

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    • dodgerfan711

      8 years ago

      The Angels have the most valuable trade piece in all of baseball and nothing else. Jo Adell is the only valuable prospect they have but there is 0 chance they trade him with their barren farm system

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      • padresfan

        8 years ago

        His name is mike Trout
        Don’t think they can trade Adele yet even if they wanted too

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        • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

          8 years ago

          So hello from the other siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide!

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        • MB923

          8 years ago

          Hahaha

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        • padresfan

          8 years ago

          Auto correct fool

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        • kiwimlbfan

          8 years ago

          Don’t get mad, that was clever. It doesn’t auto correct AFTER you press “post comment”

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      • Priggs89

        8 years ago

        Not to mention they can’t trade him yet.

        *padresfan beat me to it

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        • dodgerfan711

          8 years ago

          They can have him in a trade but it must be a PTBNL and he wont officially go to the new team until the world series ends. But they wont want to trade him anyways

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        • Priggs89

          8 years ago

          Based on my understanding, I’m pretty positive that’s not allowed anymore…

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        • padresfan

          8 years ago

          U can think nationals, padres for that

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        • padresfan

          8 years ago

          Thank

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        • southi

          8 years ago

          Sorry dodgerfan711 that isn’t true anymore. Players recently drafted and signed can only be dealt after the World Series.

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        • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

          8 years ago

          Not allowed anymore. The Trea Turner rule closed that loophole.

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        • padam

          8 years ago

          Correct. Trea Turner is a recent example.

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        • Whyamihere

          8 years ago

          in order to be a ptbnl, you have to be eligible to be traded at the time of the trade. this has changed since Turner was traded

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      • padresfan

        8 years ago

        Padres don’t want any of that horrible astros farm. That’s like saying the Os have a farm that could get something

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        • padresfan

          8 years ago

          Os farm not astros
          Astros got some good pieces in there

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        • billysbballz

          8 years ago

          And you know this because?????

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        • Ross Hutch

          8 years ago

          Agreed, why would they trade for anyone in their farm… all you have to do is wait 5 yrs and you could get the 2 players that are good in free agency or in a trade fir crappy prospects… thats all the A’s are good for now…

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        • arc89

          8 years ago

          Dumbest comment of the day. Please name the A’s players that teams wanted at the trade deadline that became free agents? Reddick? No traded. Kazmir? no traded Zorbbist? no traded Clippard? no traded Get my point the A’s traded away players close to being a free agent. They received good players in exchange for them. Padres will do the same thing like most teams.

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        • Richard K

          8 years ago

          Because he sounds well informed the stros farm is loaded and by the way 60 wins from some of those farm hands is no joke so San diego what? Your team is on the right path with youth but make no mistake your farm has a long way to go to be on the level of the stros.

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        • I Believe We Can Win

          8 years ago

          Whitley, Moran or Davis, and Nova would be a good package for Hand from the Astros farm. Astros have more than enough to deal for Hand.

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        • billysbballz

          8 years ago

          Your amazing pal. You just went on MLB.com prospect watch and if you click on the Stros you’ll see Whitley #3, right below his photo is Moran #7, right below his photo is Davis #11, and for good measure you demand the #18 in Nova. You my friend are hysterical. Boom, you been outed as a major playa in the fantasy arm chair wanna beeee GM contest. That’s awesome pal.
          So getting back to Hand, you want the Stros to give you their #3, 7, 11, and 18th best prospect for Hand! For HAND!
          Hand!!!!!!!!!
          Pitching in the NL pitchers park finally putting up decent numbers the past 2 years and you want the Astros 3/7/11/18.
          Ok, done, where do the Stros sign up for this great deal?

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        • I Believe We Can Win

          8 years ago

          Do you not know what the word OR means? It means pick one OR the other LOL. That’s classic. Amazing. I can’t believe 3 people liked your comment and were dumb enough to miss me saying OR while you put AND. That’s amazing give yourselves a hand people. OR =/= AND. LOL wow. I can’t believe you don’t know what OR means.

          I didn’t think I’d have to do this, but just for you being unable to understand what OR means I will.

          Whitley, Davis, Nova OR OR OR OR OR OR Whitley, Moran, Nova.

          #3, #7 #18 OR OR OR OR OR OR OR OR #3, #11, #18. LOL

          Please, learn what the word OR means before commenting next time.

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        • padresfan

          8 years ago

          Yeah I meant angels and Os my phone changed it

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        • I Believe We Can Win

          8 years ago

          Man, I really wish I could see the 3 other people who apparently don’t know what the word OR means like billydumbellz here. Classic LOL.

          Me: Hey the Astros #3, #11, #18 would work OR #3, #7, #18 would work also

          Billydumbbellz: YOU WANT ALL FAWR OF #3, #7 #11 #18!!?!?!?!

          Seriously, just classic that someone doesn’t know what OR means. I can’t stop laughing. Definitely sharing this on 4chan and reddit.

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        • Raptors Rampage

          8 years ago

          Billydumbbellz and fawr haha.

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        • stymeedone

          8 years ago

          Just because they weren’t A’s when they became free agents, doesn’t change that they did become FA’s. Reddick signed a FA contract., as did Kazmir, Zobrist, and Clippard. None signed extensions.

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        • seth3120

          8 years ago

          Yeah you gotta be bad for a long time to get on the Stros level. You’re bad but not bad enough. You want that number one draft pick superstar you gotta bear down and watch your team get obliterated night in and night out. If you notice a veteran out performing expectations let him build some trade value as long as the other players are bad enough to where you can continue to lose every night. Don’t let the veteran spread his winning attitude becoming a cancer and destroying the future of the club but if he can do his thing quietly while others hit around the Mendoza line then obviously we can flip him for future prospects

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        • Kylesamac

          8 years ago

          There is no way in frozen hell the Astros waste four prospects on a reliver like Hand. Especially considering that is a position of strength for them.

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        • mstrchef13

          8 years ago

          What does the miserable Orioles’ farm system have to do with this conversation?

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        • I Believe We Can Win

          8 years ago

          LOL my god man how many ways can you f up a comment?

          #3, #7, #18 OR #3, #11, #18

          Thats not 4 prospects thats not 3 of the 4 prospects. You dont know what OR means, you dont know what 3 of the 4 means- 3 of the 4 also includes possibility of #7, #11, #18. Seriously what else dont you know?

          Hey billy if looking at guys pics is your thing its 2017 safe to come out of the closet man. Dont need to be ashamed anymore.

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        • AvidAstrosFan

          8 years ago

          Ouch, that’s a high price to pay. How long does Hand have before FA?

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        • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

          8 years ago

          FA after 2019

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      • Richard K

        8 years ago

        Yeah that is a shame because Trout needs help but all that money they have tied to Pujols and others sure put them in a corner.

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        • ryanw-2

          8 years ago

          The Angels have about $160 million left on their payroll after the Pujols contract. The catastrophic injuries to their young rotation is what’s holding them down right now. They could easily be getting 3-5 WAR from Richards, and 2-3 from Heaney and Skaggs. In a normal year without the Astros playing video game baseball, having those three healthy would have them at or near the top of the AL West, and likely holding a WC spot. And that’s before factoring in where they’d be if they just had at least average seasons from Valbuena and Espinosa. Albert’s contract is a poor excuse.

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        • seth3120

          8 years ago

          Near the top of the al west? Nope

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      • MahatmaGagne

        8 years ago

        The Angels are pitifull, with no farm system or help on the way .they should trade Mike Trout and others by not only getting mlb talent but a boatload of prospects, and future #1 picks to start a rebuild. The team taking on Trout should also take all the bad contracts as well. (Pujols, Hamilton)

        Then they should invest highly on the International market for more young talent. Should follow the Dodgers model? They are terrible. If they do a rebuild now, then they can spend on Harper, Machado etc……I understand “we donlt want to be the team that traded Mike Trout”, but cmmon the future is bleak.

        The Angels are going to be bad for a long time and I do not understand their overall ratioanale. Just look at what the White Sox are doing, they will be relevant in no time.

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        • seth3120

          8 years ago

          I totally agree with you on the Angels Dodger Blue. Maybe you have a hatred for them being a Dodger fan but that doesn’t make your point any less valid. The Angels are pretenders every year and their future looks even worse. If their plan to fix the farm system by simply using the picks they have without going outside the organization this is going to be one hell of a long rebuilding process. I can understand how hard it might be to trade a guy like Trout. But if you hadn’t been so obsessed with overpaying to steal others stars maybe you wouldn’t be in this position. Not only were they throwing money out like crazy on Pujols and Hamilton they were also losing their first round picks to their former teams. Every other organization had changed from the old way of thinking but them and they are paying for that now big time. I don’t know what the return for Trout would look like but I’d bet it would be unlike anything we’ve seen before. Some people will say you don’t trade a sure hall of fame star like that. But I know for certain they won’t win anything of any significance for a very very long time without doing something. They have nobody else that would bring back any real return. The system must have a jump start. My guess is they’ll try to fix it in free agency and overpay like they have in the past in dollars and in years and not only still suck now but mortgage their future again by having all those players at the end of those contracts not contributing. Even the Yankees and Dodgers with their big payroll capabilities understand the huge role a farm system plays in filling your own roster either by making their way through the minors to the majors or by being used as trade assets to bring in major league talent from the outside. You cannot fix it without a farm system it simply cannot be done

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        • MahatmaGagne

          8 years ago

          I am a Dodgers fan but have no ill will to the Angels at all, just being realistic. It has been bad luck that some of the high priced free agents that they acquired did not help. (Wilson, Hamilton)…….but the blueprint has been set by the Cubs in 2012. Their international scouting brought in quality young prospects, great drafing and some clever spending on some big free agents. In three years they won 97 games, winning it all the next year and their core is set and while their system is somewhat depleted now, they can retool it over the next few years so they are in perfect position to contend for years. Their cross town rivals seem to have jumped on that bandwagon, they have some young potential core players with (pitching & positional),

          Trout would be a realistic boost for a four-year plan because they will spend on free-agents after as well but they need to develop players in their farm system. to lessen the blows of some injuries. Adding an influx of talent will make a more realistic view four years from now than how they are currently structured. No way they are winning anything in four years now. Trading for young blue chip prospects, future #1 draft pics, plus young controllable mlb roster players and salary relief will only allow them to grow quickly. Even a three team trade to sweeten the prospect or talent pool in the trade should be done. I believe if you are going to trade Mike Trout, it has to be an unprecedented trade in favor of the Angels. They should set the bar high and get the world back. If you want Trout, you have to eat all Hamilton and Pujols contracts as a starterthen, blue chip prospects (3 to 4), plus one/two mlb roster players (young, controllable) plus future #1 picks for 3 years,

          The Angels have young pitching but they have been hurt, but which team doesnt go through unfortunate injuries. (Urias) for the Dodgers. The depth of a farm system and quality development to the big club is what matters most. I agree with you Seth, it needs to start with their minor league system.

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    • start_wearing_purple

      8 years ago

      Hand has a year and a half or two and a half years of control left (can’t remember which), so he’d be more of an acquisition for the future. As we’ve seen lately, a strong bullpen can make a major difference.

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    • halos101

      8 years ago

      yeah doesn’t make much sense to me either. Bullpens not the issue

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  3. petersdylan36

    8 years ago

    There we go again. This time from Millers article on bleacher report. First off, it says the Rangers are buyers when a lot are pointing at them as selling off some pieces. Second, He says the Rangers would like to have Brad Hand and then followed that up with Preller being in love with Profar.

    Stop with Profar to Padres! he doesn’t have much value at all.

    I understand Hand will get something nice back, nothing huge. But he is worth more than Profar.

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    • madmanTX

      8 years ago

      Not really.

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      • petersdylan36

        8 years ago

        I’m not saying he is worth what Chapman or Miller got last year.. I won’t expect anything close to that.
        But he is worth much more than Profar. Why trade for someone with the same or less time left on contract and for someone who hasn’t put up huge numbers and has been injured?

        He is worth more than Profar and that is pretty much accepted everywhere.

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      • halos101

        8 years ago

        hand is worth more than profane

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        • halos101

          8 years ago

          profar*, sorry.

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      • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

        8 years ago

        Except he is. They have the same amount of team control left and Hand had contributed way more than Profar over the past 2 years. The only argument for Profar is his former top prospect status. But that was almost 5 years ago. At the end of the day, Profar is what he is at this point.

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    • padresfan

      8 years ago

      Profar really? Ain’t going to happen
      You’d have to add in some quality over that with profar as the extra

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    • A'sfaninUK

      8 years ago

      I kind of want to see Profar to the White Sox, just to see all the big name prospects on the same team.

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      • padresfan

        8 years ago

        He ain’t a prospect anymore

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        • A'sfaninUK

          8 years ago

          Right but he was a #1 recently and is still under 24 and not established in MLB. He needs a change of scenery anyway.

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        • Priggs89

          8 years ago

          I’d happily take him for basically nothing.

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        • padresfan

          8 years ago

          And struggles in the MLB

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      • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

        8 years ago

        I want to see that just so people can shut up about Profar to the Padres.
        However, the Sox traded a pitcher with more control than Profar has for prospects just this morning so I doubt they are interested in Profar.

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    • outinleftfield

      8 years ago

      Hand will get a huge return. A top 50-100 prospect to headline the deal, plus 1-2 other good prospects.

      Profar only has 2 more seasons of team control and because he has played so poorly since returning from 2 years lost to injuries, he wouldn’t be the headliner in a deal with the Rangers, he would be the throw in. I am pretty sure the Rangers are not willing to give up Taveras or Mendez, so maybe something like Guzman, Tejada and Profar for Hand?

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      • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

        8 years ago

        Or how about Guzman, Tejada and something other than Profar for Hand then two years from now we just sign Profar away from the Rangers?

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  4. jackt

    8 years ago

    Yu to the Crew?!?!?!

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    • pdubs2907

      8 years ago

      Very doubtful

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  5. petersdylan36

    8 years ago

    I wouldn’t mind seeing Stanton to the Padres. They have the money to spend on him, they have an outfield spot open for him, he makes Myers, Refroe, and Hedges better, and he will still be with the team when they are good in a few years.

    Crazy idea, but if its a salary dump, then no high end prospects would be sent back and an outfield of Stanton, Margot, and Renfroe would be great.

    The only thing holding it up would be his NTC

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    • laswagn

      8 years ago

      Padres need to change the deminssions of that ball park. Only then will they attract good offense through FA

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      • beersy

        8 years ago

        What the Padres need to do is stop changing the dimensions of Petco Park. How can they ever “build a team” for their park, if they are constantly changing it? Not to mention, good hitters on opposing teams don’t have an issue with the dimensions at Petco.

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        • Priggs89

          8 years ago

          I’m sure it helps when they’re basically facing a AAA starting staff (even that may be a little generous right now).

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        • Herc33

          8 years ago

          There are 10 teams with worse starting rotation ERAs than the Padres. Its obviously not a good rotation, but it doesn’t suck nearly as much as people think.

          For how cheaply it was assembled I think its overachieved a lot and the trade chatter around those back-end starters is proof of that.

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        • beersy

          8 years ago

          Over the life of Petco other teams have hit well there, good pitching staffs or not. It is the sub-standard Padre hitters that make the park look bad. Adrian Gonzalez hit 40 home runs playing 81 games at Petco, the best hitter the Padres have had since they opened Petco.

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      • petersdylan36

        8 years ago

        That’s funny. For the longest time the Padres had really good pitching staffs because of the ballpark but they have moved in the walls quite a bit and the pitching staff over the last three years has gone into the dumpster. But that might also be a Bud Black factor.

        I can still dream for Stanton playing there though 🙂

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      • padresfan

        8 years ago

        They did. It’s very fair playing now. They moved the right field in about 35 feet center in about 20 feet power alley is down about 20 feet as well

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        • JackDanielsGhost

          8 years ago

          Not mention since they added the massive video board in left, it’s really changed the way the ball flys. Much more fair now

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    • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

      8 years ago

      That’s gonna be a hard “No”

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    • outinleftfield

      8 years ago

      That is a huge contract for a small market team like the Padres. Stanton starts making $25 million next season and from 2021-2026 they would be paying 30% of their payroll to one player.

      Maybe Yellich would be a better fit payroll-wise?

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    • SixFlagsMagicPadres

      8 years ago

      The Padres have already had enough bad experiences with big albatross contracts. They don’t need to add another one to the pile.

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  6. Henduland

    8 years ago

    Gray should net a top prospect like Brinson or Frazier and another top 100. A deal like Frazier and Chance Adams should be the minimum for Gray.

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  7. 66TheNumberOfTheBest

    8 years ago

    Sonny Gray going to the Brewers would be perfect.

    The Pirates would be very unlikely to deal Cole there, but his value to the Astros or other contenders would increase greatly if/when Gray is off the market.

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    • Henduland

      8 years ago

      Brinson and Luis Ortiz for Sonny.

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      • A'sfaninUK

        8 years ago

        Offer Brinson, Phillips & Ray and Beane gift wraps Sonny to Milwaukee to play with his bros Sogard & Vogt.

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        • Henduland

          8 years ago

          I think the A’s will at least want one pitching prospect back, but I can see Beane asking for that package.

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  8. chitown311

    8 years ago

    White Sox set the bar at what a cost controlled SP requires via trade

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    • Henduland

      8 years ago

      Yes, they did. Thanks Chisox!

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  9. dust44

    8 years ago

    I can’t c the Yanks go after a Sonny Gray who can’t stay healthy. Especially if he Costs Frazier and Adams. That’s more then the white Sox just got for Quintana who’s better then Gray

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    • Henduland

      8 years ago

      The Cubs gave up a top 10 prospect and a top 100 prospect for Quintana. Gray is going to require at least two top 100 prospects, and one of them has to be a good talent like Frazier or Brinson. Remember, the A’s don’t have to move Gray. Beane isn’t going to give him away for a couple A ball lottery tickets.

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      • billysbballz

        8 years ago

        But but but, I rather have Frazier right now then Eloy and I rather have Adams then Cease based on the fact that they are both major league ready. So you want a better return from the Yanks then what the Cubs got for Quintana is what your sayin. Pass! Next.
        Wait… Hows about we give you Abreu and Jake Cave plus Austin and Ref.
        Deal?

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        • Henduland

          8 years ago

          Hahaha, No,

          Eloy is a higher rated prospect than Frazier. It’s the potential ceiling, not the floor.

          Stop thinking the Yankees are going to get Gray for low end prospects and utility players.

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      • MahatmaGagne

        8 years ago

        The A’s arent going to get close to the Quintana deal especially a deal starting with Brinson.

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        • Henduland

          8 years ago

          Then Gray stays on the A’s if other GMs are cheapskates. The A’s aren’t giving him away and have no reason trade him this July.

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        • jimmyz

          8 years ago

          The last 2.5 years are pretty good reasons to trade Gray now. He certainly isn’t helping his stock that much and if injuries or middling production happen again next season then he becomes just another piece of the rebuild the A’s need to happen instead of a big cog to jumpstart the rebuild.

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        • Kylesamac

          8 years ago

          Beane sticks to whatever evaluation he wants in a return regardless of the market trends. Odds are he gets traded for less than what Quintana went for because beane wants guys in his system sooner rather than later.

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    • Priggs89

      8 years ago

      Um… No, it’s probably not.

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    • darkstar61

      8 years ago

      “That’s more then the white Sox just got for Quintana who’s better then Gray”

      More teams are looking for a pitcher like Gray/Q/Archer/etc than number of such pitchers exist

      The fact one was taken off the board, and by a team which was not thought to be included heavily in the expected bidding war to boot, it merely strengthens or raises the cost of the ones to follow

      If Gray is to be dealt now, I wouldn’t be all that shocked if Oak expected the same or even higher return.

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      • Henduland

        8 years ago

        Exactly. Deadline deals always work this way. Fans just get attached to their prospects. I wouldn’t be shocked if Beane and Cashman worked on some kind of mega deal involving at least Gray and Madsen for Frazier, Adams and some depth prospects.

        Yankee fans are delusional if they think something like Andujar and Acevedo nets a proven starter like Sonny Gray. Beane isn’t going to help Cashman beat Boston out of the goodness of his heart.

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        • arc89

          8 years ago

          Why does Andujar name keep coming up to the A’s by yank fans? 1. the A’s do not need a 3B because they Chapman who is better. A’s do need OF help that is close to ready.

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        • Henduland

          8 years ago

          Because Yankee fans have the mentality that they can get a #2 starter for low end prospects.

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        • billysbballz

          8 years ago

          Maybe there is confusion, buy you keep posting unrealistic trade proposals and maybe the Yankee fans are just saying nahhhhhh. Not interested. Pass! Why get upset about that? Ill counter your offer since I really don’t want Gray on the Yankees because of his yearly injury concerns. If I was the Yankee GM I propose to you Mr. Beane, I send you Acevedo (one of our top pitching prospects) and 3 fillers in Refsnyder, Austin, and Cave. Now you can say know but thats my counter to your offer. Say no and shop him somewhere else then, just don’t get angry over it. That’s how the free market works. But like I said Im not the GM but I highly doubt the Yanks give you the return your requesting for a pitcher who can’t stay healthy.

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        • pdubs2907

          8 years ago

          Aren’t you kinda proving his point tho since there’s zero chance the A’s would do that deal?

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    • A'sfaninUK

      8 years ago

      Quintana isn’t absolutely better than Gray though, and Gray has a half a run better FIP than Q this season.

      Q: career 3.52 ERA 3.51 FIP
      Gray: career 3.49 ERA 3.61 FIP

      Not to mention Gray costs about $15-20M less than Q.

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  10. Codybellingersgrandma

    8 years ago

    Cody bellinger for yu darvish?

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    • start_wearing_purple

      8 years ago

      The Dodgers laugh hilariously while hanging up the phone.

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      • socalblake

        8 years ago

        + 1

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      • GeauxRangers

        8 years ago

        Agreed

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  11. Codybellingersgrandma

    8 years ago

    How about Cody Bellinger for Gray?

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    • dodgerfan711

      8 years ago

      How about Cody Bellinger for Mike Pelfrey?

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      • MahatmaGagne

        8 years ago

        How funny, the Padres asked for Verdugo in a Hand deal…….crazy Padres

        Maybe Calhoun…..but VERDUGO…….Proeller been drinking some spiked Cool-Aid

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    • Henduland

      8 years ago

      If Friedman and Zaidi are dumb enough to make that trade, then Beane will do it in a second.

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      • LADreamin

        8 years ago

        Zaidi is smarter than Beane. We’re keeping our blue chip prospects. We’ll trade out of our #5-30 for a lockdown BP lefty.

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        • Henduland

          8 years ago

          If Zaidi is smarter than Beane, why isn’t he running his own team? He basically has the same job as in Oakland, but with an added title. Friedman makes the final call.

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        • dodgerfan711

          8 years ago

          Friedman has the final say but Zaidi does a lot of heavy work. It was Zaidi who wanted them to trade for Chris taylor and grant dayton. Zaidi is no slouch

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        • Henduland

          8 years ago

          I agree. Zaidi knows his stuff. But he doesn’t run a club like Beane or Friedman.

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        • A'sfaninUK

          8 years ago

          LAD traded 3 top 100 prospects for 2 rentals from OAK last deadline. Not sure if that means Zaidi is smarter than Beane, kind of implies the opposite.

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        • dodgerfan711

          8 years ago

          Cotton was never a top 100 and all 3 prospects they traded have struggled mightily this year while Hill was been fantastic for the dodgers….

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        • dodgerfan711

          8 years ago

          hill has been *

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        • MahatmaGagne

          8 years ago

          I’m a Dodger fan and can say Hill hasnt been fantastic…..His first 8 starts couldn’t pitch over 5 innings,, bad control/blisters/inconsitency people were calling for head already.

          His last 4 starts have been solid….3 straight outings of 7 innings pitched and a 5 inning outing against the Mets

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        • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

          8 years ago

          What Hill does for the Dodgers this year has no bearing on the trade. They didn’t trade for 3 years of Hill. They traded for 2 months of Hill. Period. Then they signed Hill to a 3 year deal in free agency. Period. They would have signed him even without the trade.

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        • dodgerfan711

          8 years ago

          Ok fine. Hill pitched good last year and performed well in the playoffs. Cotton and montas have been hit hard in the MLB and Holmes is gettong lit up at AA. how was it a bad deal?

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        • Henduland

          8 years ago

          Holmes is 21 and pitching in AA ball. That’s rare for a starting pitching prospect. He’s not getting lit up either, just inconsistent. Come back in 2 years to evaluate the deal.

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        • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

          8 years ago

          You can already evaluate it. Dodgers gave those guys up for basically nothing. Them signing Hill doesn’t change that.

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        • dodgerfan711

          8 years ago

          Hill was an easy cost guy and figured he would sign somewhere east after the season. His time with the dodgers in 16 may have helped him re sign. So it does mean something.

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        • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

          8 years ago

          No it didn’t. They outbid everyone else for him. They would have signed him anyway.

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        • stymeedone

          8 years ago

          no, it simply implies one team was contending and the other team was competing.

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        • outinleftfield

          8 years ago

          For how many games? Hill has 95 IP over 18 games since the trade at the end of July last season. That’s only 5 1/3 IP per start. Doesn’t matter how good you are when you only take the mound half the games and then don’t go past the 6th.

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        • dodgerfan711

          8 years ago

          3 straight games hill has gone 7. your trolling is weak. He is doing exactly what they paid him to do

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        • davidcoonce74

          8 years ago

          You aren’t paying any attention to what the Dodgers are doing. They’re limiting the innings of every pitcher not named Kershaw. Their starting rotation is on pace to have just one pitcher with enough innings to qualify for the ERA title. This is by design; this is why they have 7-8 starting pitchers on their roster. They are using the 10-day DL exactly the way it was designed for, to turn a 25-man roster into a 27-28 man roster.

          Because they have guys who rest high in the injury matrix – Hill, Maeda, Wood, McCarthy and Ryu if – they’re going to baby them through the season to make sure they have a healthy staff for the postseason.

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        • MahatmaGagne

          8 years ago

          I want Alex Anthopoulos to manuever a trade for the Dodgers like in how he assembled the trade package for Josh Donaldson

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    • BlueSkyLA

      8 years ago

      How about you for a bucket of warm spit?

      How long before we’d want our spit back?

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  12. parman4818

    8 years ago

    Yu Darvish,Roughned Odor and Jeremy Jeffress for Alex Verdugo,Willie Calhoun and Walker Buehler

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    • LADreamin

      8 years ago

      18 years of cost controlled blue chip talent for .5 of an ace, an ok 2B and a head case? No thanks

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      • dodgerfan711

        8 years ago

        I dont know why people think the dodgers need a 2B. They have plenty of good options already.

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      • halos101

        8 years ago

        you think all 3 of those prospects are blue chip??

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      • A'sfaninUK

        8 years ago

        None of those Dodgers prospects are blue chip. Calhoun can’t even play defense, he’s a DH.

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        • LADreamin

          8 years ago

          None? Yeah, you should stop posting. Calhoun plays average defense with an above average bat. If you want to wade through semantics, he would be the one I wouldn’t call elite. The other two are most certainly blue chip prospects. Verdugo is torching Triple A pitching at 21 years old and plays a premium CF with a canon arm. Buehler is a top of the rotation prospect with plus plus stuff. I don’t see how your argument carries weight.

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        • Eric518

          8 years ago

          All 3 appear on the midseason top 100 lists (BA/BP) with Buehler and Verdugo sitting top 50. Pretty much what I think of as blue chip.

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        • A'sfaninUK

          8 years ago

          I view blue chips as top 25, guess I should have said that in my post.

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        • Eric518

          8 years ago

          Fair enough if that’s how you define it. I will point out that Buehler does fall in the top 20 in both publication rankings I mentioned before.

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      • TrueOutcomeFan

        8 years ago

        Jeffress is an alcoholic. He has a disease. That doesn’t make him a head case.

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  13. saavedra

    8 years ago

    I wonder which team will budge first for Hand’s services. The asking price might seem high, but there is a lot of demand.

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    • Herc33

      8 years ago

      There is a lot of interest, but a lot of those teams listed don’t match up well. If they’re trying to trade Hand in a 1 for 1 swap for a top 100 prospect (which is what is seems like the Padres want to do) the Angels, Cubs, and Royals would all be out because they don’t have the prospects to do that.

      I don’t think the Dodgers would be willing to give up a top prospect to someone in the division either.

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      • outinleftfield

        8 years ago

        The Padres are going to get a top 50-100 prospect as the headliner and at least one other good prospect, a guy you see in all the top 20 lists for that team.
        From what we have seen, Preller has been willing to do a 1-1 trade for an elite prospect like Torres. instead of 2-3 prospects headlined by a top 50 player. More quality instead of quantity.

        Verdugo would not fit that description of an elite prospect and from what we have read, the Padres wanted Verdugo plus. I would not want the O’s to trade a prospect that close to the majors to a team in the AL East just so he could come back and play them 17 times a year for the next 5-6 years. I am sure that has to go into any decisions the Dodgers brass are making too.

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        • LADreamin

          8 years ago

          Padres haven’t traded for an elite prospect unless you count Espinoza and everyone knows Boston got fleeced because they needed starting pitching. I doubt they get the type of return they’re looking for when they trade Hand. He’s no Aroldis Chapman so why does Preller want a Chapman-type return?

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        • SixFlagsMagicPadres

          8 years ago

          Preller’s probably just using that as a bargaining tactic. Starting high and working his way down so the team can still land a pretty good prospect. I think if he does a 1 for 1 swap, he’s going to want to make sure he’s getting back something of quality.

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        • Herc33

          8 years ago

          Verdugo seems pretty elite…. BA ranks him as the 35th best prospect in the game. He’s also 21 and absolutely mashing in AAA, that elevates his value because he’s essentially ready for MLB action immediately.

          Espinoza was ranked about 20th when the Padres got him for Pomeranz, I guess you could quibble about where “elite” starts and stops but in my opinion when they’re asking about Verdugo its probably in a 1 for 1 swap, he has more trade value than Espinonza did and honestly I’d be really satisfied with that deal if I were Preller.

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        • youknowit

          8 years ago

          BS. Espinoza is overrated but people were saying he was the best pitching prospect and baseball and Red Sox fans cried he’s the next Pedro. I’ll give you Verdugo is a premium prospect but nobody thinks best hitter in the game. He’s a guy with inflated AAA numbers the Dodgers are claiming is worth more than an allstar making under 2m, please.

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  14. darkstar61

    8 years ago

    “Heyman also notes that Braves left-hander Jaime Garcia is one rental pitcher that interests…”

    We haven’t really seen rumors from the Indians (or at least that I noticed), but we all know they will do at least something – I have a feeling this might be one of their targets

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  15. padresfan

    8 years ago

    Haha no
    Maybe if they traded him 2-3 years ago

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  16. Gnotorious

    8 years ago

    Garcia to KC for Khalie Lee..

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    • southi

      8 years ago

      The Royals don’t have a great farm system but Lee looks like the type of flawed but talented prospect Garcia might fetch.

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  17. Cardinals17

    8 years ago

    The Cardinals sure could use Stanton !!!!!!!

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    • Random Thoughts...

      8 years ago

      Every team could use Stanton, just not that contract!!!

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  18. yankees25

    8 years ago

    Im kinda disappointed everybody else didnt get traded today after Quintana got dealt

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    • padresfan

      8 years ago

      The buying teams have to rethink the outcomes bc of that out of nowhere bombshell

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  19. GeauxRangers

    8 years ago

    Houston and the Rangers match up well for a Darvish trade IMO

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    • dug

      8 years ago

      I would imagine JD would want a big over pay from Houston because of their rivalry. But who knows, the 2 Chicagos got together today.

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      • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

        8 years ago

        Why would JD want a big overpay from them? Houston has more to lose. Texas only had to watch Darvish pitch for Houston for two months and the Astros run the risk of facing their former prospects with the Rangers for 6+ years. Pretty sure if the Astros make the best offer they won’t take a worse one from someone else.

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        • dug

          8 years ago

          I think I stated because of their rivalry… Obviously if Houston makes the best offer they wouldn’t take a lesser one. I was simply saying the Astros price starts higher than everyone else’s.

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        • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

          8 years ago

          Their price starts at the same place as everyone else’s

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  20. Ross Hutch

    8 years ago

    Astros will end up with DeGrom.. might give up a little too much, but it’s worth it to get that ring….

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    • yankees25

      8 years ago

      I’d be suprised if the Mets even think about trading DeGrom

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      • slider32

        8 years ago

        Mets should trade Matz and keep deGrom and Syndergaard. Matz is injury prone with enough upside to get them a good position player. Matz to the Cubs for Happ or Baez.

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      • MahatmaGagne

        8 years ago

        If the Mets dangle DeGrom, I want the Dodgers all over that

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        • slider32

          8 years ago

          de Grom would bring all the big dogs out.

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        • padresfan

          8 years ago

          Then the doyuers would be all in. Anything of top value will be gone

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  21. Wainofan

    8 years ago

    What about yelich and Stanton for Kelly, weaver and piscotty? Cards take on all of Stantons contract, so marlins dump salary and cards get big bats for middle of lineup?
    Marlins begin rebuild and cards have carpenter, fowler, yelich, Stanton, gyorko, yadi, Diaz and Wong for a lineup

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    • MahatmaGagne

      8 years ago

      I say three team trade, only if Marlins take bout 7-10 million a year salary on the life of Stantons contract…….Dodgers send OF Puig to the Brewers-Brewers send OF Ray, SS Isian Diaz to Marlins. Dodgers send OF Verdugo, 2b Calhoun and P Oaks to Marlins.

      Marlins get salary relief for new owners + 2 top 50 midseason prospects + 2 top 100 prospects plus P Oaks. Brewers get OF Yasiel Puig (Cost controlled player Brewers want), Braun only played in 40 games + have surplus of OF’s in farm system that they can trade for a pitcher.(too bad Cubs got Quintana) most likely go after Sonny Gray now. Dodgers get Stanton plus $70-100 million over life of Stanton contract.

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      • outinleftfield

        8 years ago

        You are right that to get a good return for Stanton and his bloated contract the Marlins will have to pay some of it.

        Puig is not even close to enough going to the Brewers and he is only cost controlled for 2 seasons.

        What is going to the Marlins is too much. 4 top 100 prospects plus? No way.

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        • jameyc

          8 years ago

          even if the marlins pay some of that salary they aren’t getting a top tier prospect return. a smart team will point to the length and amount of the contract and say take these guys or leave it, regardless if the marlins pay a portion of it. now mind you, they will get some good prospects,,just not top prospects AND relief from stanton’s huge, bloated contract. plus the marlins aren’t in the driver’s seat for this one,,it’s more a salary dump than anything else. that contract is killing them,,,,,now if they package yelich as well now youre looking at the top prospects they want………phillies might work.

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      • baseballdeez

        8 years ago

        Brewers get 2yrs of Puig for preseason Top 30 Ray and Top 60 Diaz? No

        Brewers have Braun, Broxton, Santana (24yrs old hitting 290 with 880 OPS). Top 15 Brinson and ex-Top 100 Phillips are MLB ready plus they have Cordell almost ready who’s floor is a solid 4th OF. The Brewers didn’t want Puig he was a salary dump with McCarthy but also young enough to turn it around then get flipped. That was before Broxton and Santana solidified themselves this year as starters

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        • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

          8 years ago

          How is Puig a salary dump?

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        • jameyc

          8 years ago

          dodgers dont want or need.

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        • MahatmaGagne

          8 years ago

          The Brewers have an influx of OF prospect talent and Braun has played in 43 games this year. Are you going to count on Braun/Brinson/Phillips to carry a playoff push? No, hence you trade for a mlb player like Puig for the stretch run. The Cubs just picked up Quintana and are still looking at Sonny Gray…….if they Brewers want to hold on to their lead without dipping into their system then kiss this year goodbye.. Now that the price for Gray has gone up, the Brewers need to pony up plus he is within thier long term plans (cheap and controllable). If they want to go on the cheap, there is no way they will make the playoffs.

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        • MahatmaGagne

          8 years ago

          The one thing the Brewers have going for them is that they have a top 5 farm system out of all the contenders besides the Yankees.. They have the talent to help keep them in first place or at least give them a chance to stay there……….a cost controlled Puig and Gray fits right within thier long term plans. JDM would be a rental so he is out. Who will the Brewers pick up?

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    • tombenton

      8 years ago

      They would want ALOT more than that, add in Reyes and they might talk

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  22. slider32

    8 years ago

    Yanks will go after a controllable ace over the winter, right now they will trade for a relief pitcher since no aces are available.

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  23. A'sfaninUK

    8 years ago

    Going to be screaming laughing when the Yankees trade Frazier & Mateo for Alonso & Madson.

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    • Henduland

      8 years ago

      That trade is not happening. Alonzo and Madson would probably net something like Adams and Fowler.

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      • A'sfaninUK

        8 years ago

        Fowler’s career is over.

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    • jameyc

      8 years ago

      I hate to piss on your parade but that isnt happening,,,maybe you should read the updated trade transactions,,,yankees grabbed a promising 1st baseman for a reliever.

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      • darkstar61

        8 years ago

        …when did that happen?

        All I saw was them picking up a 26yo C- (or worse) graded 1B out of the Brewers system, where he failed to rank in their top-54 prospects according to MinorLeagueBall’s John Sickels

        That’s more “minor league filler” though, and not “promising 1st baseman”

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        • A'sfaninUK

          8 years ago

          darkstar61, perhaps you are unfamiliar with the “Yankees fan thinking every player they have in their entire system is a HOFer” mentality. This post kind of connects those dots for you.

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        • darkstar61

          8 years ago

          One of them downvoted me because I dared point out a decrease in supply without a subsequent decrease in demand results in stronger to ever higher value for the remaining product in question

          …I sadly know full well what to expect from the type

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  24. I Believe We Can Win

    8 years ago

    According to what Yankee fans think theyll give up to acquire Brad Hand you can just take them off the list as possible suitors cause if the Yankees trade anything close to what it will take to acquire Brad Hand- top 100 prospect and 1 or 2 guys in the 9-20 range of the organization- those fans might just burn the stadium to the ground.

    Astros- Whitley, Moran, and Nova
    Dodgers- Calhoun, Oaks, May
    Nationals- Fedde, Kieboom, Watson (who I think Brad Hand will wind up with because of their sheer need for pen help)
    Cubs- Candelario, Pardes, Steele
    Brewers- Isan Diaz, Ponce, and Burnes

    Roughly that is what the Padres are expecting for Brad Hand- if they don’t receive something close to that (again 1 top 100 prospect and 1 or 2 guys in the 9-20 range) they can hold on to Hand until the offseason and trade him like they did Kimbrel.

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    • slider32

      8 years ago

      Then he’s not getting traded!

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      • I Believe We Can Win

        8 years ago

        Then we wait till the off season lol. 2 1/2 years of team control remaining. Trading him at the winter meetings still will net them a good return. If he posts back to back 80+ innings of work while maintaining what he’s done since becoming a full time reliever the asking price increases than what it would be currently.

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        • jameyc

          8 years ago

          he will never produce an andrew miller or chapman type bounty…he is a good pitcher but not on that level,,,,and coming to the AL is a whole different animal.

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        • I Believe We Can Win

          8 years ago

          Top 100 prospecr and 1 or 2 guys in the 9-20 range is less than the miller chapman returns.

          Chapman netted a top 100, a top 15, an mlb reliever with a history of success in NY, and another piece.

          Miller netted two top 100 prospects and 2 other guys somewhere between 10-20 at the time.

          Hand fetching 1 top 100 and 1-2 guys in the 9-20 range is less than both.

          At least know what the yankees received before thinking a top 100 and 1-2 guys 9-20 is the same deal.

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    • Herc33

      8 years ago

      I don’t know about those proposed deals, I’m a Padres fan and I obviously want as much as possible for Hand, but those all seem like overpays.

      I agree the Nats have the most need, so take them for example: Thats an arguably a top 50 prospect in Fedde, plus Kieboom (4th in org) and Watson (14th in org). I think you’re more likely to see a 1 for 1 for a top 50 or a 1 for 2 with the second prospect being a 10-20 or a lotto ticket type. Basically if they’re trading Fedde I don’t see them parting ways with Kieboom too.

      Its been said on these boards a million times but the trade comp people should look at is the Will Smith trade. Bickford was a 50-75 type (albeit with some issues) and then Susac was an ML ready fringe player.

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      • I Believe We Can Win

        8 years ago

        Hand deal will fall somewhere in the middle in between the Chapman/Miller deals and Smith deal. Most likely of those deals the Padres will have to wind up picking between the two other guys. Realistically it’s top 100 and 1 other guy in the 9-20 range for Hand. But Preller is probably asking for 2 to see if someone bites. Those are just names the Padres seem would be targeting.

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        • SixFlagsMagicPadres

          8 years ago

          Yeah I see where you’re coming from. If someone really does get desperate as the deadline gets closer, maybe Preller can squeeze out a little more bang for the buck. Plus, like you said, they always have the option of waiting until the offseason to trade him like they did with Kimbrel.

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        • padreforlife

          8 years ago

          Preller lol

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        • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

          8 years ago

          Short bus lol

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    • Henduland

      8 years ago

      Many Yankee fans are delusional and think they can land major league talent for low end prospects at the trade deadline. But if Cashman does a major deal and trades Frazier and Adams, it’ll be an “impact move that didn’t cost the Yankees their top prospects.”

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      • jameyc

        8 years ago

        the yankees arent trading any of their top level prospects for anyone not named kershaw or trout,,,so not happening.

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        • A'sfaninUK

          8 years ago

          Hi Jamey, can you say hi to Cashman for us? You apparently work in the FO to be so sure about a thing that literally always happens wont happen this time (top prospects on a contender traded for a MLB talent).

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    • outinleftfield

      8 years ago

      That is the best breakdown I have seen of what Hand will net the Padres in trade. Great job.

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    • baseballdeez

      8 years ago

      Brewers aren’t giving that up. Burnes made multiple Top 50 mid-season lists and Diaz should still be a Top 100. Ponce is an org Top 20 rotation arm. Massive overpay for Brewers.

      Using the Will Smith trade then the Brewers will give you what they received (Bickford and Susac) lol

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  25. Carlos Morris

    8 years ago

    Hand for Ian Happ?

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    • Priggs89

      8 years ago

      Joking?

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    • halos101

      8 years ago

      cubs wouldn’t want that

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      • Carlos Morris

        8 years ago

        Ok. Then next team please. Meaby Dodgers whith Verdugo

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  26. Carlos Morris

    8 years ago

    Why no?

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  27. sdmexicanf00d

    8 years ago

    Hand for Victor Robles of the Nats or for Mateo and a yankee pitching prospect?

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    • redsfan48

      8 years ago

      If they’re going to trade Robles for a reliever, I think getting Iglesias is more likely.

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    • jameyc

      8 years ago

      I am a long time yankee fan and I could see them trading mateo in a hand deal,,,the question would be who is the pitcher? it wouldn’t be montgomery, kapreilien or adams,,,maybe enns, acevedo, abreu?

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      • donnniewore23

        8 years ago

        You may be a long time Yankee Fan…
        ………..but OBVIOUSLY not a very smart one!

        Do you even know ANYTHING about the kids you’re willing to give up for a mediocre RP?

        Do some homework before you post next time.

        Signed – “A More Knowledgeable NY YankeeFan” who doesn’t want to trade young prospects for anything but a STUD SP (see Chris Sale deal – not Q or Hand)

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    • donnniewore23

      8 years ago

      I just pissed in my pants cause I’m laughing so hard!!!!

      Are we talking about the same SD RP who had a 5.30era and 1.49whip in 2015 ?????

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      • darkstar61

        8 years ago

        “Are we talking about the same SD RP who…”

        No, Hand was not a RP in 2015, he was a mixed Starter – so it must be someone else you are referring to

        The guy he was talking about is this:
        203 IP, 3.19 ERA, 1.143 WHIP, 10.0 K/9, 2.90 SO/W – Career as RP
        136 IP, 2.71 ERA, 1071 WHIP, 11.3 K/9, 3.49 SO/W – 2016-17 as RP

        The 2016-2017 run is good enough for a 2.7 WAR, or the 9th most valuable RP in game
        fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=rel&…

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  28. cozens2017roy

    8 years ago

    What kind of contract would Stanton get if he was a free agent this offseason?

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    • Priggs89

      8 years ago

      A very large one – albeit not as large as his current one

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    • Logjammer D"Baggagecling

      8 years ago

      Close to his current one. Marlins need to trade him. Can’t see him not opting out in 3 years.

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  29. Letsgoreds1

    8 years ago

    Not trading Cozart, and instead signing him to an extension, will only hinder the Reds’ future. I know we can’t expect a top prospect from an organization for him, but wouldn’t getting an organization’s top 5, even top 10, prospect be worth more than him walking in free agency? Or even if he played a couple more years for us? I mean he isn’t exactly young anymore and he has never exactly hit this well before…

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  30. leprechaun

    8 years ago

    Robertson and Kahnle to White Sox for Robles it will happen

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    • jdgoat

      8 years ago

      Lmao

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    • Priggs89

      8 years ago

      Down vote – from a White Sox fan. Not going to happen. They should be praying they can find a way to pry Soto loose; Robles is going nowhere.

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  31. outinleftfield

    8 years ago

    Isn’t Heyman the one that said the Cubs would not be adding at the deadline and that they were not in on Quintana at all.

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  32. Logjammer D"Baggagecling

    8 years ago

    Cubs need bullpen help too. Get brad hand. Probably can get him decently cheap.

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    • Henduland

      8 years ago

      Why are the Padres just going to give you Hand? Also, your farm system is depleted now, so no more Cubs trades are forthcoming unless you move major league talent like Russell.

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      • jameyc

        8 years ago

        very true,,,,the quintana move is a curious one,,,,,good pitcher,,,lotys of innings on that arm,,,they paid for past production,,,,still pitching to a 4.49 era this season.

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        • Priggs89

          8 years ago

          This is such a flawed argument that it’s not even funny. They “paid for past production” on a 28 year old pitcher? Sending out this package for Justin Verlander would be paying for past production. Sending it for Quintana is paying for a pitcher in his prime. Saying they traded a bunch for a “pitcher with a 4.49 ERA” is extremely shortsighted at best.

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    • outinleftfield

      8 years ago

      Unless they are willing to trade away a player like Happ, the Cubs no longer have the top 50-100 prospect needed to headline a trade for Hand.

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      • Henduland

        8 years ago

        Yes, you need a decent farm system to make deadline deals, otherwise you have to dip into your roster. The lack of farm depth after trading Russell is why Beane had to trade Cespedes in order to land Lester in 2014.

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    • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

      8 years ago

      I actually like the Cubs and Padres as a match. Brad Hand and your choice of Richard, Cahill or Chacin for a young, controllable shortstop and a prospect?

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      • Henduland

        8 years ago

        The Cubs have NO PROSPECTS to complete any more big trades.

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        • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

          8 years ago

          If the Cubs are willing to part with a young controllable shortstop (which they do have even if none of them qualify as prospects anymore) they should be able to get it done.

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        • Henduland

          8 years ago

          So the Cubs are willing to trade Russell? I can see that happening. After the domestic abuse allegations, maybe the Cubs want to give him a change of scenery.

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        • Herc33

          8 years ago

          Yeah but thats like robbing Peter to pay Paul. You get a starter and a reliever to shore up your pitching but now you have a hole in your infield. They need Russel and Baez so it doesn’t make any sense for them to do that.

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        • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

          8 years ago

          Except the Cubs have a glut of young shortstops so it wouldn’t cause too much of a ripple effect

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        • Henduland

          8 years ago

          I agree. That’s why I said: “No more Cubs trades are forthcoming,”

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        • kyredsox17

          8 years ago

          Trade Russel/Baez for some more pitching. You add Gordon by taking on most of the money and prospects? Then you have a lead off hitter and a stronger Pen/Rotation.

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        • jameyc

          8 years ago

          domestic abuse allegations only lower his trade value,,any good gm will point right to it.

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  33. Philliesfan4life

    8 years ago

    Should the white sox consider trading Abreu now? Who do the angels have to give up to try and pry Dee Gordon away from the marlins

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  34. Mjm117

    8 years ago

    Stanton will be a Fish for a while. Even if he prefers being in the west coast. Just IMO. Just too difficult to move that contract.

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    • Kylesamac

      8 years ago

      Outside of the Astros, I don’t see anyone that has the ability to take on his contract.

      I know they’ve had discussions before, but just imagine a lineup with Correa, Altuve, Springer, Stanton. Just ridiculous.

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    • davidcoonce74

      8 years ago

      I suppose if he really wants to be on the West Coast though, he’ll opt out after 2020, right? He’ll still get paid, just probably not what his current contract is worth. But maybe it’s worth it to him to play closer to home, and Miami might be bad for a long time.

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  35. kyredsox17

    8 years ago

    Knowing the Reds they will hold onto Iglesias(while not competing) until his value is at its lowest..and then trade him.

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    • jdgoat

      8 years ago

      I’m gonna say Iglesias isn’t a POS though and they won’t have to worry about that

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  36. daveineg

    8 years ago

    Stearns is playing it coy. Brewers are up by 5 1/2 games. He’s gotten 2 quality starts out of soft tossing lefty Brent Suter in Chase Anderson’s absence. No need to rush into something. Wait and see if more teams fall out in the next couple weeks and that adds to the market. Brewers no doubt looking at cheap SD starters as potential rentals but could make a big splash in right circumstances.

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  37. A'sfaninUK

    8 years ago

    I love how Shelby Miller for Swanson, Inciarte and Blair literally happened in real life but if you posted it on here you’d get called a troll.

    So many fans posting on here are simply delusional and clueless about trade markets and value, its so wild. I get called a troll for simply saying things that have happened constantly before, will happen again – like top 5 prospects getting traded for established MLB talent – and I’m the one trolling? Amazing. Unreal. Yall are de-lu-sion-al.

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  38. sdmexicanf00d

    8 years ago

    People are not giving Hand the credit he deserves hes been a top reliever since he converted to the bullpen, with how the Indians and cubs used their bullpens last year contending teams want a guy that can pitch 4 to 5 outs in high leverage situations. Teams that are contending give priority to their “win now” 25 man roster. Playoff teams are more willing to give up a top prospect if it means it will improve their chance to win now. 2 top 100 prospects for Hand isn’t unrealistic for a playoff team that has only a certain window of time to compete for a WS

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    • darkstar61

      8 years ago

      “People are not giving Hand the credit he deserves hes been a top reliever”

      Well, that depends on who you talk to

      Since I assume you are stating this with regards to the fans of the pursuing teams statements above, I will say this – just wait

      If a team such as the Yankees trades for Hand, even giving up the amounts said fans currently insist are somehow silly, I have a feeling the “just wait” will be quite clear. That is, it is probably safe to assume Hand will instantly become one of the most promising relievers of all time to these very people currently trying to say otherwise.

      Devotion leads to a dismissal of facts, and instead the devoted look at things only thru the rosiest of rosy possibilities for the object of their devotion. If the dynamics of the situation changes, it is never the longstanding facts which get adjusted – merely the way the devoted interpret or report them.

      Or in short; Fanboy Homers gonna Fanboy Homer

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  39. Solaris611

    8 years ago

    Royals are interested in Dee Gordon???!!! I’m not sure why that would be since the Royals’ faithful have been proclaiming Whit Merrifield the second coming of Christ since last season. Was that all just hype?

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  40. thebare

    8 years ago

    Cubs need Joe Ross from the Rangers badly

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