The Red Sox, Cardinals, Giants and Phillies are early contenders to put together a trade for Marlins superstar Giancarlo Stanton, Jon Morosi of MLB Network reports (on Twitter). There has been “preliminary communication” regarding the right fielder between each of those teams and the Marlins, according to Morosi, who adds that talks are likely to “intensify” at next week’s general managers meetings.
With the Marlins primed to slash payroll under new owners Bruce Sherman and Derek Jeter, Stanton stands out as their most obvious trade candidate. The 2017 major league home run king (59) and National League MVP finalist is owed either $295MM through 2028 or $77MM through 2020, depending on whether he exercises his opt-out clause. The amount of money left on the contract, the opt-out and Stanton’s full no-trade rights could combine to make a trade rather complicated. But the 27-year-old Stanton’s no-trade clause may not be a major hindrance, given that he is fed up with losing and would like to join a contender. The Marlins appear poised to embark on a lengthy rebuild, so it seems doubtful Stanton would stand in the way of a deal if he feels the acquiring team would give him a chance to play meaningful games into the fall – something he hasn’t done since bursting on the big league scene in 2010.
While the Marlins have never even posted an above-.500 season during Stanton’s eight-year career, the Red Sox, Cardinals and Giants have typically served as contenders during that span (though San Francisco’s coming off a major league-worst 68-win season). The Phillies, meanwhile, have finished toward the bottom of the NL East for five years running, but several of their young players showed progress in 2017, and the club figures to return to its high-spending ways when it’s officially ready to leave its own long rebuild behind. Stanton reportedly wasn’t willing to waive his NTC to go to Philadelphia as of late in the season, though, and it could also hurt the team’s cause that it shares a division with the Marlins, who would have to face the p.r. backlash of dealing the face of their franchise to a close rival.
As with the Phillies, there are reasons why a Stanton acquisition would and wouldn’t work for each of the other three suitors (and several other teams), as MLBTR’s Jeff Todd deftly laid out on Thursday. Regardless of whether the Marlins ultimately send him to one of the four front-runners or another club, the Stanton sweepstakes will go down as one of the most fascinating sagas of the offseason.
Some competition should help the fish get a better return.
Regardless the return won’t be fascinating or underwhelming. I️ expect them to get something of use but nothing any of their fans should be excited about.
Go to those 4 teams and pick one of their top 2-3 prospects. Is he an elite prospect, top 50 or better in baseball? If not try again. Then add 2 more decent prospects. Guys on the teams top 20-30.
You have the basis of your trade.
Now throw in $50 million from the Marlins starting in 2021 and the deal is complete.
Marlins will have to pick up more than $50 million if they expect a return like that.. Stanton’s best comps are Dave Winfield and Darryl Strawberry.. Both of them went into serious decline after they turned 30.. Granted Winfield had 2-3 decent years between 30 and 40 but they were not superstar years.. To say Stanton will be worth $28 million or so a year through age 38 is foolish.. His contract has maybe 3-4 years left before it becomes a drain on whatever team he is playing for.. That is if he is able to stay healthy, which he has been able to do for 3 out of his 7 seasons so far..
I don’t think you are far off from what they should expect in return.. I am just saying that to get that return they are going to have to pick up enough to get the AAV closer to $20 million to get another team to bite.. The Marlins are going to have to make up the difference in what they got the first couple of years of the contract when they heavily back loaded it plus a bit more to pay for the prospects.. Why pay an oft injured player market value and give up their best prospect when they can sign Martinez or wait for next years free agent class?
Starting in 2021, over the next 7 years Stanton will make $208 MM. Subtract $50 million and that is an AAV of $22.5 million. Even in decline he is worth that. That is a 2.7 fWAR per season in today’s dollars. At the current rate of FA salary inflation that will be just 2.3 fWAR by 2021. By 2027 it will be under 2.0 fWAR.
If Stanton comes anywhere close to reproducing 2017, he will opt out after 2020. This will be a huge benefit to the team who trades for him because they will have received incredible production for $77 million over 3 seasons, but not be liable for any of his declining years from 31-38..
After his age 30 season JD Martinez, who put up a 3.8 fWAR in 2017, is asking for $200 million and he is a defensive liability. Stanton will make $208 million after his age 30 season in 2020. In the meantime, the team trading for Stanton gets a 6 fWAR player for just $25-26 million per season.
Strawberry’s aging curve probably shouldn’t be used as a comp for anyone, as his particular health issues were extraordinarily unique.
Look at the 5 most similar players through age 27
Juan Gonzalez 4.4 WAR at age 31, followed by 0.4, 1.5, 0.5, and out.
Jose Canseco 3.0 WAR at age 31 with a total of 6.3 WAR ages 32-36
Darryl Strawberry skip due to drugs
Prince Fielder 1.9 WAR at age 31, followed by injury
Adam Dunn -2.9 WAR age 31, 1.4 WAR at 32, 0.2 WAR ages 33-35
Rocky Colavito 3.2, 2.0, 0.3, and 0.2 WAR ages 31-34
Manny Ramirez 27.7 WAR ages 31-37, So you have to go down to the 6th player on the list to find one who was effective during the 31-37 ages.
BTW, there’s a misconception that 1.0 WAR is worth $8 million. It isn’t. That’s just the speculation of what it costs on the free agent market to buy 1.0 WAR. The actual value in baseball is probably half that.
It is very generous of you to call stanton a 6 war player when he has done that twice in nine seasons. Part of being a 6 war player is staying on the field, something stanton has absolutely proven he has a difficult time achieving.
You may want to go back and look at Winfield’s stats if you believe he only had “2-3 decent years” between 30 and 40. Winfield was an absolutely outstanding player throughout his 30s.
He has a hard time staying on the field? You would too if you got beaned in the face and broke a hamate bone. Those are not repeat, problem injuries. Those are freak injuries. Unless Stanton is the unluckiest man in MLB those will not be an issue going forward. If you remember the hamate bone season, he had 27 homers halfway through the year, so 2017 was no outlier. He’s actually this good. You can speculate on decline and which player he will decline most like, but he IS an MVP level player for the next few years at least.
As far as the dollars/WAR, that is usually used in free agency, but Stanton is a big contract being added from outside the organization, so it’s still applicable. Teams have to gauge what level of production he’ll bring and how much that production would cost elsewhere. As outinleftfield mentioned, those figures will shrink over time too. USD inflation of about 2.5% and $/WAR inflation of somewhere between 4-5% make that contract actually fairly manageable towards the end. This is especially true when you consider Stanton is only making in the mid-20s next year when he could command much more than that if on the open market, and will likely be worth more than that next year and beyond.
No chance the Marlins get that good a prospect package with only throwing in 50 Million. That is laughable
Asking
and getting $200 million is 2 different things!
Cardinals already offered a top pitching prospect…if that happens they should be excited…cardinals hands down have the most to offer the marlins…only way they don’t get him is if Stanton wants to go to Boston
The Cards need a big power bat. Mo doesn’t like to spend big funds even though they’re chocked with dough. They seem more interested in spending/profiting from developing Ballpark Village.
I don’t foresee Stanton wearing the birds on the bat. We’ll end up seeing a one year rental.
Cardinals offered Heyward and price a lot of money…Heyward was offered more money than what the cubs offered…Boston said they would beat anyone by 30 million with Price and they did that to the Cardinals…Cardinals are willing to spend…this is a contract they can handle plus add a bullpen piece….cardinals also are usually in the top ten of biggest spending clubs….I don’t get this cardinals won’t spend the funds thing
They won’t and don’t spend that way. Ozuna is a much more realistic target for the Cards. Mo won’t put a 10-year deal like that on their books.
Wishful thinking on our part with Stanton. Mozeliak’s history in dealing for All-Star caliber players is 0% over the last 4-5 years. He is capable of getting the fish on the hook, but has no clue how to land him. He’ll get out maneuvered at the end unles Girsch can bail him out. Mozeliak has no personality at all. That doesn’t help in negotiating. Cardinals will get an “Oh well….we tried to get something going, it just never developed!!!” Again, Again, Again!! Then he’ll dumpster dive as is his specialty!
Listen to some interviews with Mozeliak that aren’t as serious, he has personality. Dry sense of humor though. Last year on MLB Network he had an interview that was less formal.
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There is no other competition. The Cards are deep, and if willing to deal will land him.
Nobody say anything about teams not having the prospects to get Stanton. If they take 295 million there will be no return. Although Phillies perspective you get rid of Odubel to Miami and Miami is happy with serviceable and controllable outfielder. Phillies get what they want.
But how do you convince Stanton that they are ready to compete?
He gets struck by Rhys lightning!
“But how do you convince Stanton that they are ready to compete?”
Offer a restructured contract and “proposed” budget as well as the type of players you are targeting. Not names, types…essentially how many table setters, power bats and philosophy of SP types. Offer to increase his salary to $30M through 2022 ($15m total over 5 years) if he agrees to push his opt out back to the end of 2022.
Any team looking to trade for him is rolling the dice that they will be paying the full contract…it’s a chance each is taking. If he is still performing at a high level and Harper, Manny and eventually Trout get paid what is being projected he will opt out. If not, well your already rolled those dice.
Am I saying they should do that? Not really…I’m torn, but that is one way to convince him.
opt outs blow
the marlins should have paid lower for the years prior to his opt out.
And you suggest upping his salary?
opt outs blow, stop being part of the problem
I agree they do…but they are now part of the game..do you really believe Stanton will go somewhere and say “Sure…Oh Boy…I can’t wait to ditch my opt-out”? Not gonna happen and for upper echelon players opt-outs are here to stay whether you or I like it or not. BTW…considering I don’t own a team and am not a GM, how am I part of the problem?
Do you believe $15m over the course of 5 years is a huge amount? Will that make or break any of the contending teams? A restructure is one way, not the only but one way, to let him know they are serious.
No chance Stanton falls for that garbage talk
@JKB…I am not saying it is just for a team like the Phillies but any team he may not be convinced of. Please, please enlighten me how it is garbage. You are paying him a bit more money upfront….placing him near the very top salaries in the game when he, hopefully is in his prime. You are guaranteeing him more money NOW in exchange 2 more years of his service. What part is garbage. I’ll wait while you explain.
if it truly was only money like you say, he wouldn’t have cleared waivers last year. any team wanting him will have to give up something besides just taking on the contract.
Yea no one wanted to take the money then. The cardinals and Giants will not assume 295 million. Maybe 200. I believe the Phillies are in the best position to assume all the money.
“……will not assume 295 million. Maybe 200.”
If the Marlins are going to have to eat $95 million of the contract, they simply won’t trade him.
If they keep him, he’ll cost them $77 Million, then he’ll opt-out. Why would they pay more than $77 Mil….or even close to that?
Doesn’t make any sense.
Sure, they’ll get prospects if they do that, but they’ll have to decide if 3 years of The Beast is more valuable than a few lottery tickets.
All the chatter is kinda fun to see, but nobody really knows what will actually happen.
I believe that a Deal will be made before Nov 20th…….The Rule 5 Draft deadline for protecting players. After all…….The Marlins may have to protect the ones they get back!
I doubt any deal will take place before then.
Teams look to the trade market first, because those players are cheaper than top-class free agents.
With Stanton, he’s more expensive than all of them. A team like the Giants (for example) could reasonably sign J.D. Martinez and Mike Moustakas for less overall money than Stanton, filling two spots instead of one.
It could be a while before Stanton gets moved, again, simply because teams will check in on cheaper assets first.
If you are correct on the timing, the Cardinals will drop out of the bidding, and look elsewhere. They have a serious situation regarding their 40-man roster, and they HAVE to make some major moves before Nov 20th, or potentially lose several very good players to the Rule 5 draft.
The longer the process takes, the more I’d bet that Stanton STAYS in Miami for another year (or half a year). If the Marlins move Ziegler, Gordon & Prado, they can afford Stanton for 2 years.
Oh they will trade him and eat $95 million
How is getting rid of Odubel Herrera a good thing?
Odubel has no appealing aspect of his game. I don’t want to see inconsistency in the batters box and mental lapses in center field for the next 4 years. He has had 3 MLB years. I don’t think his mental problems have improved one bit. I think he is also a negative influence in the clubhouse, Phillies can overhaul that clubhouse so easily with trading Odubel and releasing Franco.
Theres nothing to suggest that mental lapses have a negative effect on clubhouses. Jimmy Rollins was the same way, and he was revered. Hes an .780 OPS bat who is a good defensive CFer regardless of the occasion lapse, plus he makes pennies for the next 6 seasons. Trading him would just open another hole in the line up (Altherr and Williams are not capable CFers). When you consider contractual value and WAR averages over the last 3 seasons, moving Herrera for Stanton wouldn’t improve the Phillies all that drastically.
If you’re trying to lose getting rid of the team’s best player is a good thing. Outside of that I can’t think of a reason.
I could not agree more!! Anyone who would take the full contract DOES NOT NEED TO GIVE PROSPECTS…or certainly not high value ones. I think if the BoSox gave 4 years of Eduardo Rodriguez…it would be an over-pay…but…if the Marlins also took Castillo and his 3 years 35 million…the deal would be done…Fish get 2 good players and 260 million dollars of relief…BoSox dump 1 bad contract…and hope to get 3 great years of Stanton before he opts out…
By Castillo, do you really mean Rusney?
You’re really kidding aren’t you….Rodriguez and Rusty wouldn’t be enough to get Stanton even if the Marlins were that desperate to dump him.
Why do you Sox fans think Rodriguez is the second coming of Cy Young…..he just isn’t anything but a 3-4 at best regardless of controllable years.
And Rusney…….PLEASE!
Giving the Marlins anyone for the Stanton 295 million is a good deal for the Marlins. However Castillo is kind of a negative because Marlins don’t want the contract.
Saying Castillo is “kind of a negative” is like saying getting struck by lightning is “kind of a bad day.” Rusney is not getting moved AT ALL.
Make an offer to ATL for Kemp.
Who are the 2 good players in this scenario? #mlbtheshowtrade
Keep in mind, he can opt out in 2020 – which he’ll most likely do. That means your getting him for 3 years at $77M. $26M per for 3 years is not bad at all for a player at his level.
Yeah, the Marlins will get prospects.
It’s no guarantee he’ll opt out—people said the same thing about Price. But now he’s got a bad arm which everyone knows about. No way Price opts out now. Injuries can happen to anyone. There’s no guarantee Stanton would opt out.
Giants fans said the same about Cueto. After his 2016 campaign, most fans seemed to think he was good as gone after this season… and voila! He had a bad season and stuck around.
I agree with everything you said but the only way he opts out is if the cardinals/Boston don’t win anything in the 3 years he is cheap
He’s not opting out in 3 yrs. He’s not gonna leave $208 million sitting on the table, just to risk it in free agency. Whoever trades for him is stuck with him
” you get rid of Odubel “”
Oh my……here comes ___that___ element of the Phillies fan base.
“42”
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I hope Boston don’t trade for him! Big contrat( money and years ,plus the prospects!! )Trade for Ozuna and sign Santana, Nunéz !!or make a trade wt Oakland for khris Davis,Jed Lowrie and Matt Olson
Who cares, it ain’t your money.
Not my money but the team i love, so respect that!!Hosmer and JD will do better and they can make a trade in the summer
Or sign JD Martinez 5/145! Sign Santana and Nunéz!! Then trade Bradley for prospects
Every time I watch the salary landscape change, I ask myself “how can teams pay that much money?”
JD isn’t worth $30 + million per season.
Olson’s not going anywhere…
Boston doesn’t have the farm to get that trade done
That would be quite a haul back for Oakland if we would be giving up Khris Davis and Matt Olson…
Why would the As deal Olson?
If the Sox swing a trade, I would expect it to include both JBJ and E-Rod with a prospect (maybe Brian Johnson for a LHP or Chavis for a 3B dependng on what Miami wants to take more) and Miami eating a portion of the contract…thats not over paying for a player who just hit 59HRs plays, plays solid defense, hits about .270 consistently and gets put into a lineup with Benny, Betts, Devers, Hanley, adding protection to whoever hits infront of him…Marlins get a great defensive C.F. with an ok bat and team control for several years, and a solid MLB ready number 3-4 starter plus a prospect…seems right up Dave Dombrowski’s alley…IF the Sox look to make a trade
Marlins hang up before you even finish talking with that offer.
You’re crazy if you think the Marlins hang up the phone, that’s a better return then they’ll get from any other team, 2 MLB proven players and a high upside prospect is exactly what they want out of a deal with team control and inexpensive, or take the 3 years and 77 mil they’re gonna pay anyway to keep him and let him leave and get nothing. You’re over estimating his ability to what they’re going to pay and what they’ll get back.
In your trade the Marlins get Bradley, who is more expensive and has less years of control than they want and who plays a position they already have a player. The Marlins would never trade for him.
They’re about to trade either Yelich or Ozuna as part of the regrowth that will gain them a huge hall in prospects, the Stanton trade is purely a payroll drop with MLB ready talent, so yes, they would trade for Bradely, especially since CF isn’t the only position he knows how to play…but if the Marlins decide to keep both Yelich and Ozuna then yeah, he’ll switch to a corner outfield spot, he’s played RF before.
They won’t trade for Bradley. Bradley has only 3 years of team control left. A rebuilding team would be trading players with that little control. Their current CF has 5 years of team control and they may trade him. Bradley is projected to make $5.9 million next year. That’s a salary the Marlins are trying to get rid of, not add.
Yes, Bradley can play RF, but why would you want him to? He’s an excellent defensive CF and the median CF isn’t as good offensively as the median RF. So Bradley would go from adequate offensively to below average. Even if his defense were as good you’d be diminishing his value.
There seems to be a belief that the Marlins will take whoever the Red Sox decide to trade them, but that seems unlikely. The Marlins want cheap controllable pitching. Any deal would start with Jay Groome and go from there.
Am I the only one who worries that Stanton’s slew of low, line-drive home runs will simply hit off the monster?
The thing about Fenway is while it has that high Green Monster has been an impediment for some it’s been a boon for doubles. Fenway has the shortest left field in baseball. Id think that the trade off of less home runs would include more line drive outs becoming doubles.
In my opinion it’s likely just two teams. The Red Sox and the Cardinals. I just don’t see the other two as viable options. Stanton grew up a Dodger fan so I feel it’s unlikely he’d wave to go to San Fran. Nor do they have the prospects if it became an, unlikely, bidding war. The Phillies could both afford him and provide the prospects I just don’t think Stanton would wave it. The Red Sox could afford and could also provide talent. It just depends on their willingness to pay the luxury tax. The Cardinals have the money and the most talent of the four teams, but they typically are more conservative in spending. So I give the Cards a slight edge, Boston second, Phillies a distant third and Giants an even more distant fourth.
I seriously doubt that just because he grew up a Dodger fan that he would balk at a trade to SF. Maybe the fact that they were awful could sway things, but professionals don’t let silly fanboy things affect decisions like this.
They do it all the time.
Exactly !
That’s a good assessment…I think Stanton would actually prefer Boston though…although Boston will be labeled the new Yankees…only hope is Stanton agrees to go to St. Louis because it’s the best return for the Marlins…San Fran doesn’t have the talent to get it done…Stanton would be going back on his word that he wants to win if he goes to San Fran…hopefully the cards can get Yelich if they take on Prados contract
Stanton to Boston, that would make the AL East very entertaining
It already is…
Astros still better.
Not if they signed Eric Hosmer
All the Red Sox would need would be a catcher because they probably will get stanton or martinez and hosmer or santana
Didn’t Christian Vazquez have a fantastic year the plate?
This year!
Stanton plays right field, and if memory serves my right the Sox play Mookie there and he just won a Gold Glove.
And the wunderkind Benintendi plays left, so unless one of those two is going in a trade, where exactly would Stanton play?
Could DH with Manny at first, or trade JBJ to Miami and move Betts/Beni to center. Simple as that really
So your going to pay a DH $300 million bucks? That’s ridiculous !
RF. Mookiie moves to CF. He is more than capable of playing there. JBJ is traded or becomes a 4th OF that can spell all three OF positions.
Mookie to 2B.
Dustin is done. Don’t torture the fans like the Phillies did with Utley.
Mookie’s arm and fielding skills in RF is way to valuable to just put him at 2B.
Those outfield skills won’t be there forever. Stanton is a solid outfielder right now.
Remember, you can’t move outfielders to 2B. It’s time to move Mookie back to his position for the long term.
Dustin…….don’t hold on. It’s time to make the move.
“Those outfield skills won’t be there forever”
Correct me if I’m wrong, but don’t second basemen age worse than outfielders?
If outfield skills won’t be there forever, why not take advantage of them now? Mookie is younger than Stanton, and a way better fielder (not trying to say Stanton isn’t bad at fielding, because he is good at it). Plus, even if they do trade for Stanton, Betts is likely the last guy they’re gonna move out of the outfield. He’s probably one of the best defensive outfielders, if not the best defensive outfielder in the game right now.
I feel like this is the fourth or fifth time this exact set of words has been re-written with absolutely nothing of substance added to it.
Just update us when a team has actually made some progress on the deal. Otherwise, we already know these teams are “talking” and any team “could” trade for him and/or is “interested” I mean come on.
Friend, you are on a site about trade rumors, literally named trade rumors. What do you expect? No trade rumors? That would be trade news.
I could see the Dodgers stepping in and getting him.
I agree, they have approximately 100 mil coming off the books over the next 2 seasons. The one issue holding them back is the backloaded contract well into his late 30’s and Friedman does not to pay players late in their 30’s plus the Dodgers don’t utilized the DH.
Unless they’re holding out for the Harper bidding next year.
Not to mention they have to pay Kershaw…
I actually think the Giants will offer 4-5 prospects including Arroyo, Shaw, Beede and maybe a middling prospect or 2 plus more importantly, pay all of his salary and this time I’ll be happy the Cards come in 2nd cause quite frankly, I think he’d opt out if traded to STL only to sign somewhere on the Wesr Coast.
The Giants 3 best prospects and taking on all the cash would be an overpay, even if those prospects aren’t that great.
Lol the marlins want a decent return and would say no to probably anything the giants can put together…he wants to win more than be on the West Coast as has been reported
No it wouldn’t…..the Giants want need a marquee player besides Buster!
There is not a chance on gods green earth that the Giants give up their top 3 prospects and take on the entire salary to get Stanton! I can see them trading Panik and a couple pitching prospects to the Marlins since they may be considering trading Panik but that doesn’t include taking on his entire contract.
I would think the only way he goes to the giants if they take on his whole contract…they have nothing to give…marlins can also say no to any deal
Stanton can say no to any deal. Stanton has all the leverage in this situation. Either they agree to trade Stanton where he wants or they have 295mill on the books if something happens and he opts in for the rest of his deal.
Both Stanton and the Marlins have the ability to Nix A Deal.
1. The Marlins can decide if a deal is insufficient for them to agree
2. Stanton declines if it’s Not somewhere He Wants To Play.
Only Stanton gets to “Agree To A Deal”…….
1. Marlins can bring 20 Different Deals (that are acceptable to them) to Stanton, all from teams that he won’t want to go to (no idea who they are exactly….just an example here)…….But they can’t MAKE Stanton Agree
2. Stanton will agree to ANY Deal that sends him where He Wants To Go (regardless of the return, or how much money is paid by his new Team….that doesn’t affect him)
The problem is no one is going to give the Marlins everything they want…they’ll have to choose between a better return or more financial relief. They’re not going to have 20 offers to go through…they’ll be lucky if they get 3 real offers.
Stanton is not going to reject a trade. He might posture in an attempt to get more money, but he’s not going to turn down a trade that takes him out of Miami. The Marlins are going to be terrible for a long time, and he knows that. Any team that trades for him will have the financial ability to put a better team around him than the Marlins do. He’s not going to stay in Florida just because he doesn’t “want” to play for the Cardinals or on the east coast, of whatever other reasons have been suggested in the media.
I’d bet money that he’d reject a trade to at least 1/2 of the Teams in baseball….for one reason or another…..if they made an offer (obviously many won’t even MAKE an offer).
I’ll probably offend some people here, because they see the “brighter side of their Team”………but I doubt he would accept a trade to Detroit, Toronto, Tampa, Seattle, Oakland, NY Mets, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, San Diego, or San Francisco…….and Milwaukee, Texas, Kansas City, and Chicago WS are probably not his 1st choices.
Do I know that for sure? Of course not. Does that list sound plausible, based on his statements regarding geography and competitiveness? Yes it does.
It remains to be seen if He/They make us all look foolish by going somewhere that makes us all “shake-our-heads”…..LOL
I really don’t see this guy playing in Boston. I can’t fathom them thinking it would be even a remotely good idea to bring him on when he’s only going to get progressively more expensive as he ages.
The Phillies should be doing due diligence but ultimately Stanton’s public stance on a trade to Philadelphia together with the dollar commitment the team would need to make makes a deal unlikely.
Don’t underestimate John Middleton’s desire to block Bryce Harper.
For the Giants to make it work they’d have to offload the contracts of Span and Pence for starters. Good luck finding takers for either of them. SF needs Stanton, but I just don’t see it happening.
i hope he stays in miami.
I mean its kind of set in stone, the Marlins refuse to pay on that contract (nor can they really afford to), so they’re gonna do pretty much anything they can to offload the contract.
With Jeter’s desire to make money I guess the Marlins won’t be able to pay anyone ever until they get a new owner.
I feel like the Sox trade for Stanton. With what they have no way they don’t land him. Bradley+ taking on most of how contract just makes to much sense.
Cards have more to offer, its just a matter of whose more willing.
And where do you play Stanton….he plays right remember and I think that’s where Mookie Betts plays.
And left isn’t an option either with Benintendi.
Would you really think that it makes sense to move Betts to center, where he probably isn’t a gold glove player to get Stanton?
That’s like playing Hanley at first to get his bat in the lineup and just looking past the defensive liability he brings with that kind of move.
Well guys Fenway right field is no picnic, … JBJ to Marlins, Bentidini, in center and Stanton in left… Manny played left for years and survived!
Mookie plays 2B and that’s where he belongs. Great time to make that move.
If Stanton wants to win, why would the Giants be an option, they willkl not have a winning season before his opt out clause
So glad to not see the Rangers on this list. These massive contracts often come back to haunt teams.
Ken Rosenthal implied that off field concerns will likely play a large part in Stanton’s choice.
Basically, a young single guy with fame and $325 million doesn’t want to get stuck in some small town in the midwest. He’ll want to play where the supply of supermodels is ample.
And why would the Marlins hold $50-100 million just to get a good prospect or two? That’s Rusney Castillo money. Getting rid of that entire contract is the best return they can get.
He’s going to the dodgers.
Marlins get:
Puig
Urias
Dodgers get
Stanton with 90 million
Win, win, win.
Dodgers won’t get any money. Stanton will likely opt out after 3 years and he only collects $77 during that time. Marlins may as well keep him.
Friedman hasn’t taken on a contract for an outside player for over $48 million since he got to LA and hasn’t given out one over $80 million. He balked at giving a 6th year to Grienke. He isn’t taking on a 10 year deal or one for that kind of money. He might pay Kershaw through the nose but that’s it.
The Marlins have no interest in Puig. They want cheap, controllable, pitching and Puig is expensive, has little control, and plays outfield. While Urias is intriguing he probably isn’t going to pitch in 2018. Teams don’t usually trade for someone like that.
Puig is a no. The Dodgers 1) want to keep him because he’s a good baseball player and 2) wouldn’t trade one OF to fill the other hole in their OF. They’d still need to go get one after this. They wouldn’t trade Puig AND Urias anyways. Urias missed all of last year but he’s still an incredible talent and would carry much of the prospect/young player weight in this deal by himself. Anyone thinking the Marlins are going to get blown away by prospects is mistaken. The biggest asset they’ll get in return is getting money off the books.
Y’all aint rosterbating hard enough. That much cash… what if a third team gets involved?
Isnt this more of a salary dump than anything? i get that stanton is an all-star guy who finally has shown he can play more than 135 games but for any team to give up top tier talent (example- nats for eaton) is ridiculous. Machado and Harper hit the market next season, they’re younger and wont cost you the farm.
They will cost you $400 million.
Or so we think…. They’re also more consistent though
I would like to see him stay here, but thats out of the picture with Jeter. If he goes to Boston he’s probably going to hit 60+ bombs on that park. Maybe Boston eats Prado’s contract too and we get at least Devers, Bogaerts, Benintendi, Kimbrel or Bradley Jr, two of them and some other minor leaguers.
I think it is the worst move as a new owner to trade stanton. It is just like loria trading Miguel Cabrera.
If jeter didn’t have the money to run the team properly he shouldn’t have been award the team. Mas should have been the new owner.
The marlins are my second team after the white sox. Unfortunately I see jeter’ run as owner going a lot like Jordan in charlotte. A great player who is going to struggle owning a team.
I hope I’m wrong but everything he has done/ what has been said will happen does not give me much confidence. It is going to be brutal watching Stanton in another jersey next season because of financial reasons.
“If jeter didn’t have the money to run the team properly…”
Running the team “properly” means running it on the revenues the team generates from it’s fan base.
The Marlins move should be to sign Darvish and Arrieta. Instead they’re trying to move the middle of their lineup.
I agree 100% with your point. If the Marlins can’t sign Darvish and Arrieta and contend then baseball in Miami cannot work.
You act like Jeter’s group has owned this team for years…
They didn’t sign this guy to this ridiculous contract!!!
so you want the sox to eat not only his whole contract but prado’s too……AND give you 2 of those players plus minor league players you are crazy. For just stanton you will most likely get just JBJ out of that list and some minor league players. Also how does it help the sox to trade Devers our 3rd baseman or Kimbrel our closer for a outfielder? Please think before you post.
I think the Dodgers are the best match. They have money, prospects and reside on the West coast. Plus, they have money coming off the books over the next couple of years.
If the team that gets him is willing to eat most or all of the contract they most likely won’t get much if anything in return Miami wants out from under the 295 million that they owe him. 1 decent prospect and take the majority of his contract and it would be a done deal
With that said welcome to Boston sorry to see you go Jackie Bradley Junior
JBJ still doesn’t make sense for Miami
Yes, but it makes sense that the Red Sox want to trade him and the Marlins will take any player that the Red Sox want to trade. Or something like that.
Love how he’s tired of losing yet signed a huge long extension with the Marlins! Guess he forgot how they usually roll.
He signed, Loria promised they would try to win, and they looked like a half competent team. Loria broke the promise, sold again, now he wants out.
Why Stanton actually believed Loria for even a second is beyond me. He should have waited out free agency from the get-go.
Maybe same reason Jeter/sherman group had any actual money and wouldn’t cut payroll to cheaper standards than Loria had previously..
That jeter name sure means a lot doesn’t it??? Tightwad and nothing more..
This is a continuation of Jeffrey Loria.
The Marlins need to be moved. Baseball in Miami can’t work.
If baseball in Miami worked then the Marlins would be the favorite to sign both Darvish and Arrieta and add Greg Holland to the bullpen.
They still wouldn’t touch the payroll tax limit.
He didn’t trust Loria at all……But He wanted to be a Marlin for his whole career, and hoped that they would become a winning team.
That is why he insisted on a Full No-Trade Clause (Marlins refused to give those out before Stanton)…..and the Opt-Out…. after giving Loria enough time to “Build A Team”.
Yes, he did make a mistake trusting Loria…….but he tried to make it work…..because he hoped to be “The Face Of The Marlins” for his whole career.
Take a breath cause you really need to put all that negative energy towards your recovery!!!
Me?…^^^
Here’s the advantage the Phillies have that no one is mentioning- they can take the whole contract, plus another, while also offering a decent return.
And from Stanton’s side, if he’s even considering opting out of his deal, Citizens Bank would be as good a place he could go to pad his stats.
I still think the Phillies are more interested in Yelich than Stanton though. All of our left and switch hitting hitters are top and bottom of the lineup hitters. All our power is from the right side already.
Bottom line…. Stanton has no trade clause… and wants to win, don’t see that happening in Philly just yet!
Phillies have young talent reaching the majors all over the diamond. Look at 66-96 all ya want, but we’re trending upwards. We’re not far from competing with or without Stanton.
And for a team with no chance at getting him, our name has stayed in the conversation.
HE is coming……….
B R Y C E
I hope the Cubs jump in and bid up St. Louis. I’d love to see the Cardinals eat all of that salary.
Who do the cards turn to if stanton won’t come would it be yelich or someone else?
All the writers on this site have totally blown off the Giants… What do you guys say now? You guys need to listen to locals sometimes. Some guy writes on this site saying he is local Bay Area but said no way on the Giants. You don’t understand how they need to fill that stadium and how the season ticket holders like to make money reselling tickets. The fans here will check out if the giants don’t make dramatic changes. The owners can afford some luxury tax. They cannot afford empty seats in this ballpark.
But the only question that actually matters is…………..Does Stanton WANT to go to San Fran…???
He’s in control…..The ability of the Giants to absorb his contract…and the return to the Marlins…….has little to do with the final decision.
Most realistic scenario is that Stanton goes to the Cardinals
Marlins get Dexter Fowler(for contract purposes) and if they trade dee Gordon, fills their leadoff spot. Add Harrison Bader, Flaherty or Weaver. And it’s a done deal.
Actually wanted to add Carson Kelly to the deal, but might be too much.
Disregard ^^^^
Most realistic scenario is that Stanton goes to the Cardinals
Marlins get Dexter Fowler(for contract purposes) and if they trade Dee Gordon m, fills their leadoff spot. Add Harrison Bader, Flaherty or Weaver, and Perez, and it’s a done deal.
Would love to see Carson Kelly included but might be too much.
Marlins just need to add talent at the moment. Dexter Fowler Can easily be flipped for more.
Stanton does not want to play in St. Louis
There is a major issue if the Arlin’s consider throwing in money- the contract is 2 parts. The receiving team will consider the worse case scenario the full $295mm while the marlins will be playing off the $77mm. Mo money equals more and better prospects usually but this contract is so big.
The Phillies have plenty of chips to use. Both players and they have the cash. Just need to be make good production decisions. The money becomes irrelevant.
Because the player and money I am not sure competition will effect the market on this one.
I do give the Marlins a lot of credit for the structure of their contracts. But terrible business management – backloading contracts.
That ownership group was terrible for Miami ad baseball.
I think Jeter will look to get this deal done early in the winter, and so would the teams lookinng to get him. My gut feeling is that he goes either to the Giants or Cards.
I think Stanton will end up in one of four places: Los Angeles, Boston, Yankees, or Toronto. Best fits are Boston and Toronto. Any of the four can afford his entire salary and have the prospects to trade. I think the Marlins will only trade him to a team who will take on his entire salary. The DH in the AL will give him a position to transition to as he gets older and the smaller ball parks will up his stats and HOF credentials. I don’t think he goes to any NL team except the Dodgers.
As a Jays fan, I’d love to see him come here. Just scared at how much we’d have to give up. Our system isn’t exactly rich, but we could probably take the whole contract which should cost less.
Could you imagine the damage he could create if he were to be traded to the Brewers?!? Stanton in Miller Park? Wow! To bad it will never happen, the record books would be in jeopardy. Hopefully he doesn’t end up in St. Louis for us Brewers fans. Lol
Are they ready to spend money or are they still “rebuilding”? The owner seems frugal
Actually Philadlephias ball park(Citiznes bank Park) had the most HR’s hit last year . nearly 1.5 per games. Miller park Milwaukee was #12 at 1 per game.
But the Phillies owners dont want any parts of Giancarlo Stantons contract. They’ll put th.eir name out there but Phillies fans no better.
My hope is he goes to the Phillies. Only cause I don’t want to see the rich get richer. If it’s the Cardinals the cubs may as well just phone it in next year and wait to throw all their money at Harper. If it’s La, forget about that too they were one win away from being champions he will put them over the top.
I doubt it. The Phillies are too cautious to take on a 10 year contract when Stanton likely won’t produce much in the last 5-6 of them.
They have to start somewhere. Need a big name to lure other free agents in. My gut tells me somehow he will end up with the Doyers
Stanton has control of where he goes or stays. If he decides to leave Miami, he has two decisions to make. One, do I leave the NL? Two, do I prefer the east coast or the west coast? If he decides to stay on the Atlantic Ocean side, and to change leagues….he goes to Boston. If he choses to go west, to the Pacific Ocean, he goes to Los Angeles. End of discussion. All other teams are pretenders.
On what do you base that last comment? There is no baseball town like STL. For years, players have said that. Don’t discount Cards
Yeah, I think you’re wrong on that one. Boston makes zero sense to land him. They’d be better off getting Martinez. They have Betts and Benintendi in the corner spots as is. L.A. I could see just because it’s L.A. and they just missed a World Series win by a game. St. Louis also makes too much sense.
However, I think some of the dark horses are going to be fun to watch in this race. I could see a team like Seattle getting him and trading Cruz. Astros will also be in play since they have the prospects and payroll flexibility. And, I liked the writer that suggested the Rockies. Another team with payroll and they just lost out in the Wild Card game.
And to say it’s his choice is ridiculous. He will choose any of those cities if they deal for him. Yeah, he has the cards in the NTC and all that, but he also knows the rest of the team is coming down when they trade the likes of Ozuna, Yelich, and Gordon. He won’t choose to just play out his next few years before his opt-out on a seller, and he knows the teams that can afford him are a select few.
Stanton is actually a good value player according to Spotrac he is 3rd in big money contract ranked 29th in value behind only Trout, Votto, and Harper. You can make the case that in 5 years his contract will even look better. That being said, once Stanton moves to a contending team he will be expected to be Santa Claus. I think when he sees what happened to Price in Boston he will steer clear of them. The Giants and Cards have been good for their stars so I see him going to one of them.
Stanton’s value is not good based on his contract. There’s a reason he cleared waivers this year and no one took on his contract. Add to that the fact that the Marlins also aren’t just looking for a salary dump and want 2 good prospects in return, and it makes it worse. Stanton also has a back-loaded contract, which makes it worse for anyone taking it on.
Also, you know the Giants had the worst record in baseball this year, right? I think that was a fluke and it’ll turn around, but that was after they made their big signings of Cueto, Shark, and Melancon.
As a Dodger fan, hoping Stanton goes anywhere BUT the Giants! Not that high on him coming to LA either – I️ like our outfield now. Wondering why the Angels aren’t making a play for him.
I️ feel like Stanton has to go to either the cardinals or the Red Sox. Boston can eat the contract and St. Louis could probably offer the best prospect package. I️ could be wrong but of the 4 teams those 2 probably have the highest chance of contending next year
Red Sox fans have talked about Stanton since before he signed the $300 + M contract.
DD would have traded for Prado, IMO, had he not been on the DL last season. Stanton I think will wind up with the Dodgers.
How about stepping back and keeping the team that is coming off Ninety + wins somewhat in tact—–What about adding someone like Joey Votto (plus some cash in Trade) and Zach Cozart as a FA signing? I realize Votto is 33 and has the bulk of his money due. If he wants a WS Ring he may have a better chance in Boston than Cincy. Would he agree is the question?
Votto has a full no trade and has repeatedly said he doesn’t want to leave Cincy.
My guess is the Phillies supposed interest is all window dressing. Con job to make it seem like they want to be big players in the market. The Phillies organization has shown ZERO interest in competing the past 6 years. Their main goal seems to be making money. Owners made $80 M last season more profit than any MLB team has made since 1993.
They’ll be atop the Most proditable list again when Forbes releases its data in the Spring.
This Phillies organization is a joke.