TODAY: The deal has been announced by the Yankees.
YESTERDAY, 6:53pm: Sabathia confirmed on Brandon Steiner’s podcast earlier this week that he plans for 2019 to be his final season.
5:31pm: The two sides are, in fact, in agreement on a contract, Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports reports (on Twitter). The deal is pending a physical.
5:24pm: The Yankees and left-hander CC Sabathia are working through the “final details” of what will be a one-year, $8MM contract for the 2019 season, reports Joel Sherman of the New York Post (Twitter link). Sabathia, according to Sherman, had little interest in exploring the open market and instead preferred to quickly hammer out a one-year pact to return to the Bronx for what could very well be the final season of his illustrious career. Sabathia is represented by Kyle Thousand of Roc Nation Sports.
Sabathia, 38, will slot back into the Yankees’ rotation behind Luis Severino and Masahiro Tanaka, though the team will surely be in the market to add some additional rotation help. Lefty J.A. Happ is set to hit the open market, while fellow southpaw Jordan Montgomery will miss a significant chunk of the 2019 campaign after undergoing Tommy John surgery earlier this year. Top prospect Justus Sheffield headlines the team’s internal options, with righties Chance Adams, Jonathan Loaisiga and Domingo German also serving as depth. Sonny Gray, too, remains in the organization for now, but general manager Brian Cashman has indicated that expects to find a trade partner for the change-of-scenery candidate.
The Yankees, though, who dipped back under the luxury tax threshold this season, will undoubtedly be in the mix for any top-end starters that could be available this winter. On the free-agent market, that includes lefties Patrick Corbin, Dallas Keuchel, Happ and perhaps Japanese southpaw Yusei Kikuchi. The trade market could yet bear further enticing options, with recent reports indicating that the likes of Corey Kluber and James Paxton could become available.
Sabathia may not be the dominant arm that he once was, but the crafty veteran still gave the Yankees a strong 2018 season and would be a fine fifth starter behind the presumptive external options the Yankees plan to add. Sabathia, after all, notched a 3.65 ERA with 8.2 K/9, 3.0 BB/9, 1.12 HR/9 and a 44.4 percent ground-ball rate over the life of 29 starts and 153 innings this past season. His swinging-strike and chase rates were the best they’d been since 2012, and his fastball velocity still checked in a bit north of 90 mph — roughly in line with his past four seasons.
I said 8mil from the start. I’m usually right
Want a medal?
Hahahahaha
haaaaaa, lololol, omg..
How about one from Jane Fonda?
I’ll take “hell no” for $1000 Alex
He’d prefer a GM contract as wouldn’t most of us?
Damn, first in again? lol dionls is my new fave poster
Stop encouraging trolls
Everyone’s a troll to someone.
Yea, how is that being a troll?
xabial has a puppy avatar, I have many puppies in my avatar, we are both trolls to someone, but also not trolls to others. but the main thing is puppies are great.
We’re all very impressed by your superior intelligence
Excellent re-sign if true
Great decision and an even better player and person
No……no…I still can’t get over his Cap’n Crunch addiction.
Better also be signing Happ and Corbin, or trading for Kluber or Paxton.
Nope. CC is the answer! With him, Tanaka, and Severino, they just sewed up their next WS title! /sarcasm /eyeroll
Nah, Severino and Judge for Trout trade has been confirmed by dionls.
That seems stupid from both sides, so I think it’s probably almost a fair trade.
Whoa, whoa, I don’t think the Yanks would have to part with anything more than Ellsbury in a trade for Trout, let’s be fair here.
As strange as it sounds, from the Angels perspective they’d have to consider that trade with the money they’d save, solid with the potential to be great young starter and minimizing the loss of the greatest player of his generation with one single everyday player. Yanks couldn’t do it though unless they had another trade in place involving Stanton for top shelf starting pitching. Thus never gonna happen but it got me to respond a lot longer than it should have…
So youre saying my joke trade is actually most logical and reasonable Trout trade proposal this site has seen? THANKS!!!
You told me not to comment recently JTO but I had to because it got me thinking. The Angels can’t win with Trout and from their perspective they’d be getting back not two top prospects but two budding stars. From the Yankee side it only works if they can trade Stanton for great starting pitching and perhaps a medical clearance on Frazier because their outfield would then need a bat. Hicks moves to right, Trout in center and Frazier or Voigt in left. Risky on the offense but they need starting pitching. In this new age, if your starters exit in the 4th inning, you’re burning innings out of the pen that will eventually bite you. Boston’s starting staff was solid in the playoffs and their ability to also pitch in relief allowed the other relievers not to be overused.
Kluber, no Paxton. Cost more, but worth it. And if rather sign FA Corbin, Happ
I never understand you guys who act like a team is only allowed one FA signing per season.
Seriously. A team makes one signing that isn’t Bryce Harper or Manny Machado and you get nothing but stupid sarcasm.
Unless you are a small=market team like the Mets or Athletics…who can’t really afford to spend any real money in free agency.
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This team just never learns when its time to move on from players. Wasting money on CC and Gardner, unreal
Exactly I mean given his age he did average but playoffs he was non existent.
Forget the money. Is Gardner still not a top quality 4th outfielder and isn’t CC one of the best 5th starters still? Since money grows on trees in the Bronx and like a good tree gets fuller and fuller with each year passing (whereas only dwarf pear trees with no fruit seems to gro in Flushing), consider yourself blessed as a Yankee fan. I try to do the same with Boston. Unlike other teams, money is not their problem.
They were brought back to be the #5 starter and the 4th OF. Dude….relax. You really think the Yanks are expecting Gardner to be a starter in LF??????? Amazing…
But still you should allocate that money to pursue another arm like Morton or Keuchel anyways, offseason still at its early stages
Dallas K. will not come to the Bronx because he will not shave, so good riddons!
You really think Cashman hasn’t already identified what FA he wants, what they’ll likely to cost and figured out how they can accommodate CC’s 1/$8 mil? These ain’t the Rays and Pirates. CC’s signing isn’t going to prevent them from signing a couple of guys to $100 mil + deals.
Yanks rightfully are using analytics to target the right guys. If Harper, Corbin, etc make sense (in terms of the market not getting completely ridiculous) then they are in play. I will NOT ask Cash to get stupid and then lament 3 years from now about being saddled with a bad contract. Corbin is the #1 target but there has to be a limit to where you’re comfortable. Who knows what that his on Nov 6th? Might as well plug the small holes with minimum $$$ needed. Now we know we need 2 more top starters. More so, other teams now we know we only need 2 more SP.
Lol, riddons. Solid attempt
He tried.
I doubt spending 8 million on CC is going to hamstring the Yankees efforts to sign anyone they really want.
Very hard.
That doesn’t negate the fact that they are wasting money bringing them back. They already have five other outfielders under contract and while I don’t see an issue with this move, they definitely could’ve gave a young guy a chance.
There is no reason the young guys can’t still have a chance. He’s a placeholder. If they pitch well enough to push him to spot starts or long relief so be it. They need to earn it.
Who are the in-house candidates right now for the 4th OF. Ellsbury? Frazier? We don’t know if either will make it out of ST yet.
It’s called…….depth. And it wont’t stop them from spending a couple of hundred millions for the right guys.
Yes, you’re right, you should be the GM.
Whenever I wanna feel a little dumb I just come here read comments from these guys. If these guys can’t see that starting pitching is HARD to find at ML level then there is no use debating them. CC is one of the top 30-40 starting pitchers STILL
I’d say more like top 70, but I agree with your point. That’s a league average #3, a #5 on a good team, a #2 on some bad teams. He’s definitely worth that.
Yankees are in win now mode. You can’t trust a kid in your starting five in win now mode. Instead it’s smarter to make your best prospect your sixth starter and ease them in slowly.
Win now? They played the young bucks all last year. If the kid can play, the Yankees brass is running him out there to play with the big boys.
They need depth…but at starting pitcher, not a 5th OF option.
Exactly. The Yanks didn’t trust the kids at first. They brought in Drury and Walker and made Andujar and Torres win their spots mid season. They will do the same with SPs.
Nothing wrong signing CC as an back end piece to eat innings. It’s proven you will need at least 10 starters over the course of a season.
+Chino
Not that I am against the CC signing, but he is not an innings eater. Theres only a handful of times he threw 7+ IP in a game last year
Well not many backend starters do that to begin with. He had 153 IP which was ranked 74th in baseball.
+MB923
Well yeah, its just that Chino said that they were bringing him in to eat innings, and thats not really true.
Time to move on duh
I will agree with you on Gardner but there is nothing wrong with resigning CC. He’s basically going to be our #5 starter. We could do much worse. for 8 million dollars than a guy who will give you 150 innings of under 4.00 ERA.
Have to agree. The money spent on Gardner and CC would go a long way to another starter. Sabathia is injury prone.
86 games started the last 3 seasons.
That’s good for 31st most in game.
CC pitched the 3rd most IP last year. Who do we have in-house other than Tanaka and Severino that are safe bets to give us 150 IP of 4.00 ERA or less? I’ll wait….
If CC is a true #5 then I think any team would be hard pressed to find a better guy than CC, especially as a left-handed pitcher. His 2.5 WAR ranked 46th overall among SP last year. Hmmmm…….32 teams x 5 rotation spots = 160 starters and we can have last years 46th ranked pitcher as our #5? I’ll take that.
Let’s see…
Sale
Price
Rodriquez…
Nope, Sabathia falls way short in Boston, in fact he would fall behind long reliever/swingman Brian Johnson also, who just made 550k last season (all lefties).and if want a RH guy? 17G winner Porcello.
john, you’re definitely right.
Price
30 GS, 176 IP, 3.58 ERA, 4.02 FIP in 2018. Cost 30 million last year and will make 31 in 2019
Sabathia
29 GS, 152 IP, 3.65 ERA, 4.16 FIP in 2018. Made 10 million and will make just 8 in 2019
You all are acting like the Yankees signed Homer Bailey to a 100 million contract to be your Ace.
You didn’t – you signed a guy that pitched about as well as Price last year to again be your 5th starter!
So back up off the f*ing ledge already. You all are doing nothing but making yourselves look like whiny freaks with zero sense of reality
darkstar61 just owned the hell out of that guy.
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Have to wonder who else would have given Sabathia an 8m deal and as to Price’s contract?
Ace’s are expensive, just like all top tier FA. You think Cashman is offering up chump change to machado right now? 30m AAV is peanuts in comparison, not to mention without Price, there just not be no WS title in Boston this year u know…
Super stalker is back at it, lol.
Dude, get a life.
+John
Do you really think no team would offer CC a 1 year 8M contract? 10M a year is average rate for a SP, and CC ranks as a slightly above average SP. Many teams would give a slightly above average SP less than the average rate.
@johnsilver
Please tell me where I said he was better than either of those 3? What I stated is that he’s brought in to be their #5 assuming the Yanks will try and find 2 other SP markedly better than CC. However, fact is, according to fangraph WAR he had a 2,5 WAR which ranked him 46th overall. So on SOME teams, he would clearly be better than a couple of pitchers on several teams staff who are 3, 4 or 5s.
Check your stats before you post.
Let’s not go overboard.
Darkstar tarnished silver. He’s a big mouth Red Sox fan—by including rodriguez in his argument—who is perpetually on the dL himself.
To the other doubters (and Yankee haters) here, and please forgive me Eileen….
Ok girls quiet down. It’s the small pieces first. Trustworthy, good strategic fits if they are not overextended, and smart pieces for a winning clubhouse, Gardy and CC make total sense.
This is petty cash for the Yankees who suddenly find themselves in a windfall without luxury tax. So expect The Boss II to pull out all stops.
And the Red Sox—congrats and good luck re-upping Kimbrel, Betts, Sale and JD Martinez’s opt out in the next two seasons. Let’s see how they do it with their luxury tax.
Lol
CC a hamburger away for a heart attack
LOL you think those two are going to prevent them from paying someone they really need? Get real. These are two depth deals. Nothing at all wrong with them.
Gardner good backup! Good d in center or left. Hicks misses 20 games a year. And day off for others. Would like to see Frazer be the guy. But do you really want Shane Robinson?
Hicks misses way more than “20 games a year”.
He missed 25 last year. Not far off. He’s only been a full starter the last 2 years.
why is that?
It’s a stat thing. They want him to hit 3,000 K’s and win his 250th in pinstripes.
I think a lot of these bandwagoners forgot what CC did in 2017.
CC means more to this franchise than you know and actually contributed. Now, if he had stats like say, someone like Colon, you MIGHT have a point.
I’m gonna play devils advocate here dude. If he means so much than why did he bow out of the playoffs for personal reasons a couple years back? Before you get up in arms about my question think about the position he put the organization in.
CC has/had a substance abuse problem and he went and got help for it. He bounced back in 2018 and he was a quality back-end starter in 2018…and most importantly he seems to be doing better. I hate the Yankees for many reasons, but re-signing CC is not one of them. He should cover his $8m contract and he’ll get a fairwell tour with an organization that he contributed to when most thought he’d retire.
I’m glad to see you and Chaplin aren’t the brightest fans of the Yankees. I can see that by the down votes. A rotation simply isn’t going to be filled with Chris Sales and Patrick Corbins. There will be lesser pitchers and when a team has league average pitchers in the 4 or 5 spot you are pretty well off.
Agreed 100%. I’m shocked that so many fans like the CC and Gardner signings. You could do much more with $15 mil.
So go out and sign a SP that had 150IP and a sub 4.00 ERA and let me know how much that is, Stop living in a bubble and step into the real world. A world with a market, limited assets and more buyers than sellers.
Yanks have 3 open spots, assuming Grey will be moved. I’m not mad at this. It’s short term so his age matters not. He can be an excellent #5. The problem last year is he was pushed to being a #3 once Montgomery went down and Grey was taken out of the rotation. I completely expect the Yanks to focus on 2 solid #2-#3 types. Let’s grab the low bearing fruit and then go big game hunting once agents/players start to see the market develop.
I hope we can hang on to German and Loisaiga. I think they both have great stuff but could benefit from a full season at AAA. I’m sure one or both will be needed during the course of the season.
I’d like to see them sign happ and Corbin. Between those 2 additional signings you rotation is Corbin, Severino, happ, Tanaka and CC. You than have depth in the minors in Sheffield, German, etc and Montgomery probably able to pitch in the second half of the season. Tanaka and CC usually go down with some injuries so you’ve got plenty of talent in the minors who can make a hand full of starts when needed. I don’t see the downside in this signing. CC is cheap and you still need veterans in the clubhouse to help the young guys.
If he starts the season in the rotation then there’s a problem, at least this is better than the Gardner signing
Why? He’s going to be our #5 starter. He’ll be good enough for that.
Both solid signings. Neither expected to play front line role, nor play as much as this past year. Both solid clubhouse presence.
Need an all-star at every position and a 120 million dollar rotation to satisfy some. Sometimes it’s ok to sign solid guys to less money to fill out a team
Yawn he’s an old fatso. Move on already
Yawn, you’re clueless.
Those who cuss, call others names, is a sign of being unable to express yourself. No true NYY fan would call CC what you just did, even if they’re (in minority) disagree with this signing
You’re a fool. D bag
Red Sox and Astros Philosphy- hey lets get the best players we can get who perform big time when it matters. like Verlander, sale, price, etc….
Cashman Philosophy- lets collectively spend enough money annually to keep 5 crap guys on the roster on one year deals for 30-40 million instead of bringing in top difference makers. so lets resign 3 inning CC for 8 million, run down Gardy for 9.5, useless neil walker, horrific lance lynn, ancient todd frazier types for 5-10 mil per and whoever else failed miserably the last last few years and expect a different result next year. he’s the most overrated GM ever. NOBODY has the Yankees resources- so use em. we need 3 new starters and one decent stick.
Hey gee-calm down or you will be administered your anti depressant medicine. Cash has done an amazing job. Maybe you would like to be expelled from Yankee universe so you can feel at home in Flushing
Amen
You are insanely wrong. Gees. you spend so much energy worrying about 5th starters and back up role players. Yet you ignore the magnificence of drafting/developing Judge, Severino, Torres, Andujar, Sanchez, Green, etc, buy low trades on Hicks, Didi and Voit and USING financial might to acquire Stanton. If anyone is accusing Cashman of “NOT using the Yanks resources” simply hasn’t been paying attention.
I’m a Yanks fan and it pains me to hear the stupidity of fellow fans belly-aching that the Yanks were being cheap the SAME DAG ON YEAR THEY TRADED FOR THE LARGEST CONTRACT EVER!!!!.
I’m sure the Yanks spending has yet to begin. One year of (cough, cough) being reserved and “only spending” $197 mil and fans are going insane. Cash already said he wants to go after 3 SP this year.
Starting pitching has been and will always be the key to winning world series. so i disagree with those who think 8 mil for a #5 guy doesn’t matter. The Yankee bullpen has to come in a clean up from the 4th inning on in half the games started by these guys.
Hmmm game 4 ALDS boston comes at you with Porcello and we respond with CC. so keep typing about the great CC. I’m sure they are loving this move in Boston and Houston
Again, you are failing to understand what happened last year.
A) CC was the #5 starter last year. Injuries to Montgomery and ineptness with Grey pushed him into the #3 spot. If the Yankees sign two #2 or #3 types then CC becomes a true #5. In comparison, who pitched in the #4 and #5 slots for Boston last year?
Prior to signing Eovaldi the Sox were trotting out Brian Johnson, Hector Velasquez and Drew Pomeranz. CC out-performed all 3 and Rick Porcello.
Very few teams can claim strength 1-5. The Astros and Indians are two of the few select that both had talented pitcher and a healthy staff (for most of the year) from wire to wire.
Stop getting upset over a $8 mil signing in early November.
Name 5 better #4/5 Starters than CC. Or name ANY dominant 4/5 starters in MLB. There is a reason WHY they Number them 1-5, cause You pretty much get what you pay for on the backend
Starting pitching is the key to winning the WS? Tell that to Boston and Houston in 2018.
Rick Porcello had a 4.28 ERA in the regular season. He was probably their best pitcher in the playoffs, but to say that you saw that coming is a complete and utter lie. Welcome to the playoffs where anything can happen.
I live in Connecticut and listen to Boston sports radio every day. The Boston hosts had the Yankees winning the series. The Red Sox got some great pitching performances at the right time.
you are shocked that Boston starters outperformed ours? or that Houston’s did the year before? you don’t think the Yankees chances would have improved if cash pulled the trigger for Verlander, or cole? There is a reason the Yankees have failed in October. It’s because they are not built to win that way. Say whatever you want about porcello but he is significantly better when it matters than CC and probably even happ. if you’d rather have those guys start 2 games in a playoff series against the great teams you are full of it.
As for the mathematicians out there. riddle me this. How is it wise to desire to stay under the cap at 197 mil when your genius GM has Els on the books for 2.1.5 and then signs CC and Gardy for “depth” at 17.5 combined. Yup 20% of your resources on 3 folks who have no impact on the goal of winning a world series. yeah you are correct he’s a genius.
Unless the Yanks plan to acquire legit pitching and a stick to subsidize the Didi loss and lack of lefties in addition to spending more than 197 this is a weak useless move period.
geeson, you need to get to the playoffs before you can win the world series. Both Gardner and CC will help us get to the playoffs. Its the elite level guys that help you win the world series. We still have plenty of money for that.
Best post on this thread.
Steve Matz had a pretty similar season to CC. Again, I think CC re-signing was a good deal for both sides.. Here are Matz’s numbers for those curious:
2018 Matz
GS: 30, 154IP, 3.97ERA, FIP: 4.62, 152K, 58BB, 1.247WHIP
2018 CC
GS 29, 153IP, 3.65ERA, FIP: 4.16, 140k, 51BB, 1.314WHIP
Sure, CC may get hurt, but they have far worse options in Gray or outside the org with Lynn.
I expect them to overpay Corbin bc he’s “best available” as a FA starter.
Kershaw failed in the playoffs. Should the Dodgers have not signed him either. You are all overreacting. You;re acting as if the Yanks are ending their off-season signings with CC and Gardner. You have no legitimacy, imo, if you think this is the beginning and the end of what they plan on doing.
Awesome response!!
Wow. The logic is weak with you my friend.
Low risk, high reward. Welcome back CC.
They were brought back to be the #5 starter and the 4th OF. Dude….relax. You really think the Yanks are expecting Gardner to be a starter in LF??????? Amazing…
Lot of money for a guy coming off the bench.
Is really not. It’s a one year deal. 9.5 mil for the yanks is nothing this year.
Great sign. I don’t think he would be expected to start 30 plus games May be insurance so if Sheffield and the other young guys get injured or are not ready Still looking for a couple top of the rotation guys
If not for his Alcoholism he prob would be pushing for 300 wins. Its a shame
Poor guy is a former cy young winner, World Series champion and one of the best left handed pitchers of all time. And he was able to curb a personal demon that affects some all their lives and still maintain his career. A damn shame
One of the best all time? Whoa now.
Still need 1 of kluber bumgardner Corbin etc to anchor the staff
One of those is not like the others…
Yeah… Corbin won’t be anchoring anyone’s staff…
Resigning CC for one year 8 million dollars was a no-brainer. He’s a perfectly good #5 starter. I love having him there. At the very least he’ll be able to hold the fort down until Jordan Montgomary is ready to come back. Montgomery should be back by August (hopefully) and that’s when CC usually starts to tire. You can also have one of our young guys piggy back on his starts to get valuable innings experience.
Last season he pitched 150 innings and an under 4 era, this is a good deal for a what we get. Not to mention he is a great club house leader and will go all out for his team
Yankees getting the band back together.
The same band that stunk out the joint when it mattered the last few years!
Now sign Ellsbury to a nice extension and we’re good to go.
Very surprised I thought for sure he was gonna end his career in Oakland
Good move by Yanks signing CC.
cc’s going to pitch until arm falls off, very well could be the next colon
Nah, he’s knees too bad.
I wish though, love CC.
One year at a time CC. Like to see him pitch somewhere til he’s 40. Plus he’s a slugger over Bart in the HR Dept.
CC is better than Colon every way imaginable.
Colon is a better HR hitter. He is also more entertaining on the field. That’s all I got.
A very smart signing. Glad it was done fast.
i dont love bringing back CC but im alright with it, assuming they re-sign happ and sign corbin i had CC after both Sheffield and Loaisiga in the SP depth chart, and Montgomery will be back at some point in 2019. and these young guns need to pitch sooner rather than later. i was hoping for him to retire after this past season so that way they didnt need to waste a roster spot for him, but they felt it was important to bring him back and I trust the yankees brass, but i hope this move doesnt signal the end of the SP search on the trade market.
Loisaiga needs time in AAA to build up his arm. I don’t think he’s thrown 100 IP yet in his career. I love German too but I’d rather he start in AAA, get his confidence right and come back up with a hunger. I want both to succeed.
Walls17. It definitely will not signal the end. This is just a cheap low risk insurance move for them. And a veteran presence. They will get either Corbin, Kluber, Carrasco, Keuchel, or Paxton.
^^^ This ^^^ I would also add Bumgarner, Greinke, or Robbie Ray to that list. Between those eight names, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Cashman land at least one somehow.
Those who complain about this signing are unappreciative.
This does not hinder the Yankees from signing any other SP. “No such thing as a bad one-year deal.” Welcome back
Cris Carter says hello. lol
CC isn’t Bartolo Colon, he can still contribute at this juncture of his career.
He’s certainly no Chris Carter.
Chris Carter
The X Files
Not saying CC is Cris Carter. He was saying there is no such thing as a bad 1 year deal. Not true. Pretty sure Carter got a one year deal. Matt Holiday as well. Holiday had his moments but overall not a good signing.
But a bad 1 year deal, especially those south of $10 mil, are not a major hindrance for the Yanks. You take a shot and if it fails you cut bait. I think 90% of the #5 starters in mlb have tenuous holds on their spot at best. Plus the Yanks are a relatively young team. Any vet leadership + whatever they can give on-field make CC and Gardner low risks worth taking, especially considering their role.
Neither of those were bad deals. They were worth the risk, they just didn’t pan out. Chris Carter got $3.5M. Not a bad deal, even when he stunk.
CC should be put in the bullpen, sure his era was under 4 but he was done after 5 any further and he would get hammered.
LOL!!!!!!
He’d be a #5 starter on almost every team in baseball , including your Red Sox , who haven’t beaten him in the regular season since 2016.
Uhh I mean I guess this is cool, but Cashman should really be focusing on Happ & Corbin, plus the trade market (Kluber, Kluber, Paxton, Kluber)
Who says he’s not? This was literally a no-brainer move. At worst it’s depth. Who knows how crazy the market will get? At least we know we have 3 legit starters. Now he has to find 2 more better than CC.
How do you know he isn’t? Do you think teams can only focus on one player at a time?
I read he was meeting with the Indians about Kluber tomorrow. Why would signing CC prevent him from doing that?
Driftcat, they will but those guys aren’t going to sign right away. Probably not until December after the market is established, they expire their options, and after the winter meetings. Cc was just a quick, low risk, depth option vet presence that costs them nothing.
Uggg
Didn’t want CC or Gardy back to start or anything but tremendous value moneywise for both players. The fact both are either back of the rotation player and a 4th OFer, makes it even better. CCs numbers stack up damn well against most teams back end starters, and even in a down yr, Gardys defense, speed, and lefty bat(balance), and occasional home run pop are pretty attractive qualities for a reserve. Add in if he has 2 start, he has plenty of experience doing so, and I like the deal even more. Very good by Yanks brass getting both these guys back on low paying contracts to handle the back end rotation and reserve OF role . Kudos
Gardner is an expensive bat off of the bench/4th or 5th OF. I don’t see him as a huge upgrade over a minimum salary guy trying to be replacement level. I think like a small to mid-market team, so I get that the Yankees (and Red Sox, LAD, etc) have the luxury of having expensive pieces be part-time players on their club.
This is the Yankees. They routinely pay 5-10M for backups and bench players. Gardner is still a gold glove level outfielder who provides elite base-running and a solid lefty bat off the bench because he still gets on base at a decent clip.
If he’s a 4th outfielder he will very likely see a lot of time as a late-inning defensive replacement, pinch hitter, and pinch-runner. Even as a bench player he’ll likely see about 10-15 at bats per week.
Strong benches are an important component to a winning team. The 90s teams had some of the best.
Only makes sense if he’s the 5th starter and potentially a bullpen arm in the playoffs.
Dude should go home and be with his family
You should go jump off a cliff. Deal??
We now have to accept that the Yankees are now satisfied with drawing 3 million fans and just making the playoffs . The signings illustrate this by bringing back Gardner & Sabathia
Yeah…there off-season is over. We’ll forget that no major FA has been signed yet.,,,, by anyone. Yeezus.
Yeah, that’s exactly what this means.
LOL
Cash knows that there probably isnt someone better on the 40-man rpster to be the 5th starter on the team right now. This gives them another season to develop that next rookie pitcher (Loaisiga, Sheffield, etc.) To take over the 5 spot next year. Still expecting Cash to sign and or trade for two more pitchers. It seems like that’s the priority.
I hate this so much. I hate this fatso. What a joke. What a waste of money. Washed up jerk. Horrible move .
I’m glad they signed him simply because it upsets you so much.
You missed your short bus.
Your mom didn’t miss her bus. She was well worth the $20 I spent
Dave you are the last person who should be talking about missing the bus. youre as dumb as they come. Tree stumps and rocks are smarter than you.
They will sign Corbin possibly Happ too. Keep drinking the stupid juice dave
He’s old and done douchebag
Why?? Explain more. The only elevated stat he has (over the past 5 years) is HBP
There are so many things wrong with you.
As a 5th starter and great with the rookies no brainer!
There seems to be reports that they could be in the
Kluber / Carrasco / Paxton sweep stakes,
Getting two or even one of these guys would make a huge difference.
They obviously have the prospects to get it done,
so they could be the juggernaut of the AL EAST next year if they wanted to.
Love it for NYY as a 5th SP.
Love it for him not going to Oakland too, they need to shoot higher, like Keuchel. Oakland fans love more than anything to try and “bring back” local guys or former A’s, this salted them plenty. Can’t wait til they drop $80M on someone to lay the “A’s are cheap” narrative to rest, (even tho idiots will keep saying it)
This stinks I wanted my Yanks to trade Clinton Frazier for Jacob Degrom
Then Justus Sheffield for Blake Snell.
But now we are stuck With CC as our ace again.
CC ACE??? Can I send you my address so you can send me some of what you’re smoking?
Ya his points are silly….Rays are going to trade Refsnyder for deGrom……
Just reported your post for a terrible attempt at sarcasm.
That is delusional. deGrom is worth Glyber++, which as the Yankeees I’d be very hesitant to give up with other options out there who will cost less in prospects and may or may not have more control than the 2yrs deGrom has left.
Frazier would be a complementary piece in a package for a #2 or #3 guy…at best.
I was hoping Cash would leave this alone already…
Cashman on the clock….. Boston 4 Yankees 2 – 2000’s belonging to wrong team.
Yankees could do a lot worse than C.C as a 5th starter. I thought for a while before this year that it was time for him to hang them up, but he’s done a good job remaking himself as a pitcher. I also enjoy his podcast R2C2 with Ryan Rucco so there will be another year of that at least. People discount the ability to play in NY. He’s already proven he can do it. Why waste money and time trying to find another starter who could end up being another Sonny Gray in pinstripes? No offense to Mr. Gray, who I thought was a great pickup at the time. So many examples of players who pitch better when not in a Yankees jersey. At least you know what you have in C.C
C.C. just re-signed for the food. If he stays home his wife nags him about his eating.
The lack of respect for CC in this thread is disgusting….. “What have you done for me lately?” at its finest.
CC is a feel good signing. He’s meant a lot more to the Yankees than people realize. However, teams going for a World Series title don’t sign guys based on feelings. They sign players that can help them win. Maybe this was the right move, maybe not.
Presuming they are going after another arm, who’s the #5? Severino, Tanaka, CC, the free agent gunner, and _______?
Do the Yanks think Sheffield or Adams are ready? If both were, Yankees wouldn’t have signed CC.
My guess is Adams is a non factor as a starter, and Sheffield needs more time in AAA. “CC is a feel good signing” Yes and No. CC is cheep considering, but if you look at the Gardner signing it could also be considered a feel good signing. The Yankees will probably sign Corbin, a LH outfield bat of no real significance, and go into the season hoping the Sox won’t be that formidable again.
What is stopping them from signing Corbin and Happ (or someone similar) to fill out the rotation? Corbin is going to be expensive, but assuming Happ isn’t asking for anything too ridiculous, I don’t see how that isn’t possible. CC is going to the 5th starter and the pitchers they have in the minors and Montgomery, when he returns from TJS, will be depth when someone goes down with an injury
They are both feel good signings. Yes.
I agree about Adams and I’d consider him for the bullpen. Clearly the team doesn’t think Sheff is ready if they want Corbin or Happ and are willing to deal Gray. Good luck on the latter.
Doubtful on the LH outfield bat. More likely focused on an infielder to hold things down while Didi is out.
Some of these Yankees fans are something else, a week ago the CC ship had sailed, they resign him and now it’s prudent. Those same fans were more in on Corbin and Happ, and no on Gardner regardless.
Not the intelligent ones. Majority of us know how to look at stats and understand that CC has been ultra consistent for the past 5 years. He is a huge presence in the club house, and a great person to mentor our young pitchers that will see some time next year (assuming we do not trade)
I like the idea of liaisons, German , Sheffield, and Adams getting more time in the minors. Tanaka , severino and cc with two of kluber,Corbin , happ or Paxton to start the season for the rotation. Then the Gardner signing as the fourth outfielder and give florial some time in the outfield makes some good players for midseason trade I’m only stating my opinion if that is not what you agree with. Just scroll down no need for negative comments. Thank you
Florial won’t be ready until 2020 at the earliest.
I echo many of the previous comments. Relax, everyone. Sabathia was signed to be our #5 starter at a very reasonable rate for the season he just turned in. Add the fact that he’s a proven competitor in NY, which can’t be emphasized enough, and it’s a win-win for both sides.
As much as I hate to review our history of failed acquired starters….. Kevin Brown, Javier Vazquez, Jaret Wright, Carl Pavano, Sonny Gray, just to name a few. Some of those guys were past their respective prime, yes, but they fried under the spotlight of playing in the media capital of the country.
Add the money they gave CC, Gardner, and you’ve got a tighty some to throw at Corbin plus _______. Not to mention they need a LF, and someone to cover SS or 2B.
Left is a platoon position
Stanton,Gardner, Frazier!
They need a OF? Since when??
They don’t sign CC and they still need to go out and buy 3 starters
With CC they now have a guy who pitched nearly identical to Price last season at a bargain price – 1 of the 3 spots filled at a discount
The extra couple million they saved in bringing back CC instead of another FA then means they can add that saved money to what they give a middle infielder or one of the other 2 starters. They do not need another LF; that inclusion seems nuts and like you don’t even know the teams needs at all. And truth be told, they don’t even really need more than a fill-in SS anyway
Yankees were a lot smarter than you in this process (not surprisingly)
You’re totally clueless as to the Yankees needs. Your post down below was totally disgusting.
Yep, whatever you say
Gardner and CC were signed to be a backup OF and 5th starter, respectively. The last thing the Yankees need is another OF – they have Gardner, Hicks, Judge, Stanton, Ellsbury (*think I just puked*), and Frazier, all of whom could start on basically any team in baseball, aside from a select few.
Clearly, they need 2 more SPs, and they’ll sign a utility middle IF to hold down the fort until Didi comes back.
I think cc could have gotten a 1 year 11 -12 maybe even a 2 at 20 elsewhere but he stayed with the Yankees. I mean you had to sign him on respect alone cc is a competitor
Why are so many acting like Cashman is now done with off-season moves? The Hot Stove has JUST been turned on…the burners aren’t even warmed yet. The whole idea of getting under that payroll figure THIS season was to set up moves they’ll make now. Don’t forget that 2019 was the year most pundits saw as the year the Yanks would be a strong possibility to win the WS..but very few foresaw 2017 happening, the team gelling ahead of schedule…it spoiled the fans into thinking we could win it all in 2018. We won 100 games..it’s just that the Sox had a season for the ages. Those ripping Cashman for not getting Verlander, Sale, Cole…easy to criticize with the benefit of hindsight. Anybody remember how Verlander was pitching at the time he was traded? Not that great for a guy with that much time and money left on his contract. Anybody remember that what the Pirates were asking in return for Cole as opposed to what they accepted from the Astros. Would you be OK watching Andujar, Torres, and/or Sheffield in Astros uniforms, and would we have even made this year’s playoffs without those rookies’ contributions?
The Brett and CC signings are just setting up the bigger moves to come. They ensure veteran leadership and depth. Cashman will get two more top quality starters and CC will slot in at #5..and since when do all 5 starters stay healthy throughout the season? You’ll also see some 6th-man starts mixed in at times to give the rotation an extra days rest, so the young guys will definitely get their opportunities. Expect Cashman to sign a couple of bullpen arms as well. I’m hoping he resists signing Machado or Harper. Manny has proven himself a dirty player who doesn’t think it necessary to include the word hustle in his vocabulary, and also bats right, which our lineup is already topheavy with, and Harper is another brat who, although has a left-handed bat the team desperately needs, is another power based hitter on a team that really needs more contact hitters. Homers win a lot of regular season games..not so much in the postseason. A solid , multi-positional contact hitter to play 2nd, while moving Gleybar to short, then occupying a super-utility role when Didi returns, and maybe a lefty 1st baseman to platoon with Voit…or take over completely if Voit’s magic was short-lived..I still think Bird can be a solid major leaguer, but I think it will require a change of scenery to accomplish..I believe his misadventures in this organization has messed with his head too much.
Just my opinions, lengthyas they may be…
I think you mean “Pirates uniforms” but agreed on all points except one:
I think Bird is toast, and will be in AAA to start the season. Voit, though, is not the answer, until he can proves he can do something for a full season. Hopefully he delivers in ST and gets a chance to do just that, though.
Oops, yeah..should’ve been Pirates unis..I’m not completely sold on Voit either, which is why I thought signing a lefty first baseman to either platoon with Voit or take over completely if Voit turns out to be Kevin Maas redux might be advisable..
I agree with all of that, but with Didi going down, that threw a monkey wrench into the Yankees plans…dude raked for them. Harper could be a bust (as a super star, but he’ll put up 3ish WAR per year) and I agree the Machado comes off like a jerk. I’d rather pay Machado than Harper bc at least Machado will put up monster numbers….I don’t trust Harper to do the same as consistently.
Solid deal for depth in the event they can’t lure two solid starters. He’s a backup plan, a #5 starter, and depth in case of injury. Don’t understand all the griping.
Worse news ever. Wasting 2 roster spots for CC and Gardner. Both washed up . Move on already
Gardner effectively replaces guys like Shane Peterson, Billy McKinney, and Jace Peterson on the roster. Yanks were so desperate for depth this past season they had Neil Walker playing the outfield because those three players were so awful! Gardner is a gold-glove level veteran (he came in 2nd in 2018, and had the 4th best UZR for his position) who still gets on base and is a far better backup than those guys.
As for CC, he pitched 153 innings and had a 3.65 ERA. That’s just 7 fewer innings than James Paxton and a better ERA (Paxton’s was 3.76). He’ll be the team’s 5th or 6th starter.
What’s not to like about these signings? Those who are critical of them are just plain nuts.
Please shut up stat geek.
agree- yet so many here see this 17.5 million expenditure as brilliant.
I like both the CC and the Gardner signings. CC, for obvious reasons: Yankees are 35-21 in the games he started, in the last two years. Also ate up 300 innings, in that time. If that’s your fifth starter (if he REALLY is the fifth starter, he wasn’t for the Yanks, he was more like their third best), you’re golden.
And we know we’re gonna eventually need Gardner to play center field, when Hicks inevitably suffers another muscle injury due to his obsessive over-training. That alone is worth the $7M.
Who? Is this the guy we gave up Brett Tomko to sign?
Yanks now have 3 set starters!
1-Severino
2-Tanaka
3-CC
I’m sure Cashman will look to sign/trade for at very least 3 more to go along with our young potentially ready arms in Sheffield, Losaiga, and King! Plus we will have Montgomery coming back hopefully sometime in August.
So here are the obvious options:
1-Corbin
2-Happ
3-Kikuchi
All are lefties which we know the Yanks lone and need.
Potential trades are Kluber who the Indians will want the farm for. Carrasco the same scenario but maybe one less high end prospect. Paxton is another left handed arm that will take a few big prospects and is not in same level as the other two!
Other then these names mentioned above I cannot see an obvious ace that can fit and as a fan of this rebuild/retool I hope we don’t sell the future for a 33yo Kluber.
Yankees 2018-19 off-season took an enormous hit with the death of Fernandez
Had everything progressed as expected, NY would already have a blank check written to secure their new Ace
I think they will now probably sign 2 of the 3 you listed and keep the prospects for midseason moves. I suspect Jose Iglesias is the SS come opening day, and the team will otherwise spend on the Pen and look heavily at any and all 1B/DH options available
You’re a real scumbag for bringing in that kids death.
Reality seems to trigger you quite easily
Glad to see CC finish his career in the Bronx,he is a good teammate and mentor.He doesn’t solve the starting pitching issue,but he still will give you four or five decent innings most starts. He might finish next season as a middle reliever. As with Gardner, Yankee’s mgt.is showing some loyalty to there veteran’s.
And this is why Yankees haven’t won in almost two decades!! Just keep resigning over the hill guys and blocking the youngsters. Cash and staff need to go
Blocking who, exactly? Seems to be pretty revisionist history…. Just to remind you of our current players on the 25-man roster who we called up from the minor leagues within the last few years…..
– Severino, Betances, Cessa, Chad Green, Jordan Montgomery, Austin Romine, Gary Sanchez, Miguel Andujar, Greg Bird, Gleyber Torres, Ronald Torreyes, Tyler Wade, Clint Frazier, Aaron Judge.
Not to mention the brilliant trades for young, underrated (at the time) players – Aaron Hicks, Didi Gregorius.
Have the Yankees turned into Tampa Bay, only going with young talent? No. But are they the free-spending team they were from ’04 – ’13? Absolutely not.