The Yankees met with Manny Machado earlier today at Yankee Stadium, writes Dan Martin of the New York Post. Machado and agent Dan Lozano arrived at Yankee Stadium and were greeted by a contingent consisting at least of GM Brian Cashman, manager Aaron Boone and veteran starter CC Sabathia, writes Martin, though other members of the organization were likely present. The meeting has been anticipated since weekend reports indicated that Machado would sit down for in-person visits with the White Sox, Yankees and Phillies this week. The face-to-face with the ChiSox came yesterday, and Machado is reportedly slated to meet with the Phillies tomorrow.
The meeting at Yankee Stadium lasted for roughly 90 minutes, though the Yankees’ courtship of Machado extended beyond that point. Fancred’s Jon Heyman tweets that the Yankees took Machado, his wife and Lozano out to dinner in Manhattan tonight as they continued to discuss the possibility of Machado signing in the Bronx. Some reports in recent days have indicated that Machado will sit down with a fourth club in the near future, and MLB.com’s Mark Feinsand suggested as much was possible once again earlier today. However, Heyman definitively states that the market for Machado, at present, consists of the White Sox, Yankees and Phillies with “no mysteries” in play.
Regardless, it’s becoming increasingly clear that the Yankees are a significant factor in the Machado auction. While Martin wrote in his column that “indications are they won’t invest $300 million over 10 years,” USA Today’s Bob Nightengale tweets that the Yankees are “enamored” and believe him to be the “perfect fit” for their franchise. Whether that means topping the White Sox, the Phillies and any “mystery” suitors that may or may not truly be in the mix is another question entirely, though.
Ultimately, managing general partner Hal Steinbrenner will have to give the go-ahead to offer what could end up a record-setting deal to bring Machado to the Yankees. Steinbrenner previously called Machado’s infamous “Johnny Hustle” comments “troubling” and flatly stated that such an attitude “ain’t going to sell where we play baseball.” Those comments, as well as Machado’s intentional kick of Brewers first baseman Jesus Aguilar, undoubtedly came up in today’s face-to-face meeting.
As Feinsand writes, it’s not fully clear whether Steinbrenner himself was present in today’s meetings, as his family is mourning the recent passing of his mother, Joan. However, Steinbrenner implied to Nightengale last month that Machado would be explaining those comments and actions to Cashman, whom ownership trusts to make that type of call. “But that’s really [GM Brian Cashman’s] job,” said Steinbrenner at the time. “If we’re interested in any player, to sit down with them face to face and ask him, ’Where did this come from? What was the context around the entire interview? Was there a point? How do you justify it?’ … That conversation will happen.”
Go sign with the White Sox already!
If he wants to keep losing that’s definitely the place to go.
And the Yankees have done better lol. 2009? Cmon dude, how do you expect any team to get better without spending?
Drafting and developing the right guys is a good start.
And has the White Sox drafted the right guys? Don’t care really where Machado lands, just land already. White Sox have a lot of cash, and I expect them to take that leap with him and Harper. Sign one might get the other to jump!
“And the Yanks have done better lol” Yes the Yankees have done better. Your point just should’ve been about the FA signing, because the first part makes no sense at all.
Completely agree Balk. Machado to the White Sox, yankees don’t have room with future hall of famer Miguel Andujar on their roster.
@bb1600
Why are you back? Does this mean u’ll stop?
Still see those 10+ dv, God of the shills ;P
X, isn’t this guy and Balk part of what’s been going on around here lately?
This guy and Bart*
I disagree w/ Balk’s assessment, but dude’s respectful
Bart is 100% troll
Xabial must be martian for paranoid because you 1) make no sense and2) keep making bizarre posts about other posters the mods have been editing. I assume this isn’t your first time 9n the net so please try to sucking up a bit more.
To suck it up…can’t edit on my phone.
Bart, I saw your post in “Yankees hire Beltran”
Even the one here. Keep trying to make sense.
A lot posters here make their life give me hell, Balk is not one of them; stays classy, at least with me. My experience is that my own, thanks for proving my point^^^
26 straight winning seasons, genius. No one else comes close!
Sure. The Yankees won’t ever win a WS again. Unlike the White Sox who have won 27 WS and are consistently in the playoffs.
cereal, great article why Harper’s a better fit
nypost.com/2018/12/19/why-bryce-harper-is-a-better…
Ofc it’s not written by Joel
You mean with the worst defensive 3B in MLB on the roster….
Hahaha, you guys that get all personal about comments cracks me up! Like any of you actually know where anyone is going to land. Machado could be a cub for all we know. Who cares, the offseason is boring as hell, so have fun with it! Merry Christmas, specially to Giants fans! Lol
That would mean keeping Andujar at 3rd and leaving Machado. I can live with that.
I would argue that all three teams in the mix for him have done a great job of building within. I don’t think any team is successful without a few FA’s to fill in gaps.
Easy to do when you have and spend more money than most everyone else. The big markets still have a great advantage over the smaller market clubs.
Yanks have traded for or signed almost all of their good players…
Who’d they develop Andrujar? Gary Sanchez,anyone else? Brett Gardiner.. ok I’m done.
Ever hear of Aaron Judge? Luis Severino? David Robertson?
Seriously? They have quite a core, Judge, Severino, Sanchez, Gardner, Mongomery, Betances, etc. They and the Red Sox have more than most teams. Both are in the top 10.
Well he’s only played for losers so why not? Between the O’s being awful and the Dodgers who can’t win the big one he’s gotta be used to it, hell he might even like it by now
Plus that big ol check he’s getting might relieve some pain for not winning.
Another guy who doesnt follow baseball. Orioles led the league in Wins from 2012-2017.
And nonetheless they never won anything of importance like a championship or came close. Gee isn’t that the goal? But idk because I don’t follow baseball so regular seasons must be more important then
If you don’t follow baseball then why are you commenting on a baseball site?
It’s called sarcasm
You apparently dont watch baseball or pay attention to who has the number 2 ranked system. White Sox are loaded with prospects.
They’re loaded with respects who have all the potential in the world and haven’t proven a thing. The white Sox have a poor track record of developing prospects in recent years. Why should we think that changes now? If he signs there he’s taking a chance. Signing with the yanks or Phillis gives him a better chance at a championship if he cares about winning one
Sox spring training much nicer in AZ than the Yank’s Florida camp.
And that’s what major league players make decision on
What do they make them on? Money? Chi Sox have a lot of it.
Usually money and a chance to win a ring… So yeah, White Sox ain’t in the running here.
He’s going to go to whoever if it gives him the most money regardless of winning
I’ve been to their AZ facility. Not impressed.
And you’ve batted there? How’s the field.?
When the Steinbrenner field (and training fields for minor league teams during ST) was 1st done, it was considered top notch. it has aged a few years however and the chiSox field is fairly new. i remember when the Chisix trained here in Florida over on the WC on one of these near WW2 era fields.. Can’t remember for sure which one.. Sarasota maybe? it was terrible all remember before moving to Arizona.
Not all fields here in the state (FL) are bad. Mini fenway is a crown jewel. Twins opening a new one also in Ft Myers. Just because there is hundreds of miles of open air in Az (and space) to throw up a complex and i know.. Have been there, don’t knock the florida complexes where ST mostly began to start with.
Rather have Harper, but I certainly wouldn’t be disappointed with Manny.
The mystery club is the St. Louis Cardinals. They have a trade offer on the table which involves Matt Carpenter. Their plans would be to move Paul DeJong to 3rd base and insert Machado at Shortstop.
One of the worst kept secrets in baseball.
Exactly. The market for him is tiny. Just not a lot of demand for him. I’m sure he wants to sign with Yanks. What did Yogi Berra famously say?…. Feels like Jason Giambi all over again?
Wine’d and dine’d by the Yankees. I wonder if Manny stepped on the waiter’s foot on the way out.
Hahahahaha!!!!!
HA! ok, that was a good’n
All it takes is two teams continuing a bidding war.
Harper is same position…not worst kept secrets , the market is changing and gms are awaiting thing out to lowball. Fact, JD Martinez
Manny will be a Yankee
I hope he does become a Yankee. Nothing as fun as watching a team you hate sign ANOTHER guy to a long, crippling contract.
That’s how I felt when the Angels and Mariners signed Pujols and Cano.
Exactly. It’ll be fun to watch guys like Stanton and Manny age in pajamas—I mean pinstripes.
Such a stupid comment: Manny’s and Stanton’s contracts would end when they’re 36/37; Cano’s and Pujols’ contracts won’t end until they’ve 40/41.
The fact that people are too lazy to look up that Cano and Pujols are already older than when Manny’s 10-year contract would end is downright embarrassing.
You’re already on the internet; google it.
They’re gonna get 14 years. 10 is a pipedream.
You realize the Yanks are paying Ellsbury $23 mil to do nothing and they STILL went out and acquired Stanton and are still shopping right? Yanks may not like to but they can eat a $30 mil a year dud and still sustain the loss and replacement costs. Dodgers and Red Sox can too especially using analytics and good drafting so you have low cost players to offset sunken costs elsewhere.
These Yankees are worried about lux taxes and things daddy did not care about. They cannot make too many mistakes if they are on a budget. Harper and Machado would get eaten alive in NY. Can’t wait to see them sign one of them.
Manny would opt out long before the contract becomes “crippling”
2019 standings:
1. Yankees
2. Tampa
3. sox
4. Toronto
5. Baltimore
Tampa is rising amd so arnt Yankees. Sox signed a few contracts but overall they done nothing to improve.
Hold on… so you’re saying as of now the Yankees and Tampa have actually improved enough to leapfrog Boston? Manny and Harper haven’t signed with anyone.
The only improvement/change to the roster for the Yankees thus far is trading for Paxton, who you apparently think is going to net them 20 wins (he’s never won more than 12 games in a season). Happ was already a Yankee by the end of last season, and he’s in his late thirties. Tampa signed 35-year old Charlie Morton, so I guess that will get them 18 wins? Oh, you were probably referring to Yandy Diaz. He’s gonna be the game-changer.
Fact is it’s December and there’s a whole ton of off-season yet. I’m fairly certain the Sox are going to grab a bullpen piece or two. They certainly don’t need anything to tweak their current offense. I have a feeling a lot of teams are waiting out the nincompoops that are going to sign 10-year, $300 million+ contracts and grab cheaper pieces as Spring Training comes around. Remember them waiting out Martinez last season?
They said the Sox wouldn’t win the WS until a minute after the Sox won the WS. Can’t handle the truth. I give the Yanks credit for their positives. Most Yankee fans can’t do the same for the Sox. Maybe they can wish it so. If they had gotten pitching rather than Stanton imagine what last year could have been. The Yanks have to stop being distracted by shiny things on their limited budget.
I see your points and don’t agree that either team will leap frog but the Sox are not in any sort of enviable position. potentially losing 2 key bullpen pieces doesn’t help and the longterm question marks with your rotation put DD in a move now scenario. lastly, Boegarts and Betts…
Refresh are memories? Who were the “nincompoops” from last year that signed “10-year, $300 million+” players?
You might recall that J.D. Martinez was the top rated position player in last years class, second overall to SP Yu Darvish per this site. Of course he never came close to their prediction of a 6 yrs/$150MM contract. No teams waited out on other “nincompoop” owners last offseason to sign more elite players because there simply wasn’t a Bryce Harper or Manny Machado available. Your comp would only come to pass if both Harper and Machado became this winter’s version of Martinez and had to settle for significantly less dollars than expected. I suppose it could happen but then again, who would be the “nincompoops”?
First!! to say MM probably won’t be a Yankee in 2019. Its not an environment in the Bronx that would allow him to flourish.
Biggest Dominican population outside of the country. Sev, Bentances, Andujar, Sanchez, German all dominicans.
But the fans in NY turn on the players quickly. And Machado is soft. It just isn’t a good fit.
True, in that aspect, Harper is much more ready to take the heat.
Manny Machado has a Dominican heritage but he was born and raised by his mother, grandfather and uncle in Hialeah, Florida. His wife Yainee is Cuban and the sister of new White Sox 1B/DH Yonder Alonso. His dog is named Kobe for you know who.
Using your logic, Machado would also figure to sign with the Marlins, White Sox or Dodgers. Since the Marlins and Dodgers are not suitors that would leave the bidding down to the Yankees and White Sox with the Phillies SOL. lol
Doesn’t matter where he was born. Bentances was born and raised in NYC, he follows his Dominican heritages. Guess which team Machado and Betances played for in the WBC? It wasn’t Cuba or the USA. It was the Dominican team.
If you persist in playing the Dominican or any other heritage angle as vital to signing Manny Machado try this one: His best friend in MLB aside from his brother-in-law Yonder Alonso is Dominican Wellington Castillo. Both Castillo and Alonso play for the White Sox. That’s not all. The White Sox #1 prospect is Dominican Eloy Jimenez (#3 overall in MLB) and will be the White Sox starting LF in 2019 and beyond.
Perhaps his Cuban wife may also have some input into the discussion. The White Sox have a rich history with Cuban players that continues with Jose Abreu and Yoan Moncada in addition to her brother Yonder. Another Cuban, Luis Robert will join them as their starting CF sometime in 2020. Finally, Machado will have an opportunity to play for a manager with an hispanic heritage for the first time in his MLB career if joins the White Sox, Rick Renteria.
Your turn.
A-Rod and El Duque won championships and had epic seasons in NY.
Also, he seems to really like Sanchez, Hicks, Betances, Judge, etc.
Haha, well done.
What exactly are you basing him liking those players on.
Similar to Manny Machado, Alex Rodriguez was American born with Dominican ancestry. However, Roberto “El Duque” Hernandez was Cuban born and also earned a World Series ring with the 2005 White Sox.
Big egotistical player. Doesn’t hustle. Ass in the playoffs. Perfect yankee.
But hank nor Hal will sign him, george yes, sons, no.
Couldn’t have said it better myself
If the Yankees owners have no interest in Machado why did the team schedule the meeting with him in Yankee Stadium today? I would imagine that Hank or Hal needed to sign off on it along with their subsequent dinner date in Manhattan, no?
Hal said before signing Machado, he needed a face to face meeting with him
That’s common knowledge. My question was directed at “citizen” who must not have gotten the memo.
really? how did r-rod work put as a yankee? didn’t he push a glove to assure a ball fall out during playoffs??? ask him how his ban went?
if that’s the case then SF should consider him since the fan base thought bonds was the hype even though he juiced…..
man, who is this r-rod guy????
but A-Rods had a lot of great seasons with the Yankees and 2009 playoff performance seemed to be worth his contract.
(P.S i do not think the Yankees should sign Manny. just fyi before you strawman about Manny)
I agree about the environment, but Didi going down will get this done. That’s the beauty of it.
Stay away Yanks.
Harper is your man.
Harper, less years, high annual salary, Dodgers, with opt outs.
Ahhh hell!
Get them both.
X, both guys are overrated. Neither one checks all the boxes—and at the rate they’re expecting they need to check all the boxes.
Give me Machado over Harper any day. at least Machado is consistently great. And the whole hustle “controversy”? only difference between Machado and Harper is Harper didn’t say what Machado did in the playoffs. He’s gotten chewed out many times for not hustling
Has Harper even talked to the Yankees since Vegas? Are you the guy who expected a new Mustang for his 16th birthday present and was crushed when it was a Toyota Tercel?
“Hey, Daddy, I want an Oompa Loompa now!
Thanks for the suggestion, but we already have three better outfielders than Harper. So, unless he wants to sign for DH money (something along the lines of what JD Martinez got), no thanks.
Lololololol this cant be serious
These meetings at Yankees Stadium always win the player over.
Won Patrick Corbin over clearly.
Actually, money won Corbin over. Extra year +40M
And the same will happen with Machado. Money. White Sox will give it I’m sure.
If you want a boatload of money with really no chance of a WS trip, either Chicago team would do.
Since 1908 a total of 4 WS won.
Why would that be relevant to Manny Machado or Bryce Harper now? They are looking for a boat load of money along with a legitimate chance for championships over the life of their expected 10+ year contracts. That could happen sooner with the Yankees, Phillies, Cubs and Dodgers but the White Sox may have the best long term outlook considering the division they play in. The AL Central would appear to be less competitive than the AL East, NL East or NL Central in the near and longer term.
Btw-From 2005 to the present the White Sox and Cubs have won two World Series championships to the Yankees one.
Going back that far to predict future team success is silly IMO. Especially when you are going back to the pre free agency era. Chicago has more WS wins over the last 17 years than NY
“Actually, money won Corbin over. Extra year +40M”
Yanks really went cheap there, didn’t they. Wonder if they’ll pony up some of that $ for Machado?
Yanks over spent to get Garner, CC and Happ… Harper and Manny and Corbin are big time players… wonder if the Yankees are hoping for a deep discount because… you know… they bargain bin hunt.
Overspent to get Gardner and CC? You realize they arent spending much at all for them, right? They didnt sink 30M for 2019 combined or anything. Id have to check again but they probably dont even clip 20M
That’s not fair: Chicago has two major league teams, NY only one.
Chicago doesn’t have any MLB teams silly rabbit!
Don’t understand the Gardner hate, or CC. They got their monies worth out of both of them.
7 mil for a .690 OPS? It was only slightly better than Bird. You have Frazier that could do much better, but he’ll be sitting on the bench. CC gets 8 mil as a number 5 starter. Usually that spot goes to a youngster trying to make the team… not a 38 year old trying to extend a career.
So glad the Cubs don’t have the payroll for Machado.
I thought the Cubs had an unlimited payroll?
That’s what all the fans of small and mid market teams say because they don’t have any other choice. Welcome to the club.
Cubs are not a mid market team. They’re the third highest valued club in baseball.
The reason why they’re not interested in Machado is because they have two better players on the left side of the infield in Bryant and Baez, not because they don’t have the money.
Knowthemarket didn’t call them a mid market team…
1) Baez isn’t on the left side of the infield
2) Even in his career year (BY FAR), Baez wasn’t better than Machado
3) I’d recommend giving it more than one year to even think about comparing Baez to someone like Machado
Yes. If the Cubs had wisely non-tendered Addison Russell then he might at least have an argument. I also recall the Cubs being one of the trade suitors for Machado last year. If those rumors were accurate, the Cubs front office might also disagree with his comment. Had they been successful in acquiring Machado he would have either replaced Russell at SS or Bryant at 3B with the latter moving to a corner OF spot.
I think golden boy GM got cold feet after signing $300 million worth of contracts to Heyward and Darvish.
People like to trash talk darvish, but he was hurt all of last year. The reality was that they signed him below market value, and as long as he is healthy, they will have a great return based on his career numbers.
Heyward is clearly way overpaid, but he isnt all that bad of a player. If he keeps hitting .270 and playing gold glove caliber defense the Cubs will live with it.
Did anyone else see the picture on the scoreboard and think it looked a lot like Mariano with a gotee
They say they hired Beltran as special assistant to Cashman, one day before scheduled meet Manny to help recruit him… God, I hope not.
Thought your life long dream was to be 1st commenter. What happened man? You had dreams. Now you’re just posting. You changed man.
And you haven’t changed!
Why thank you for noticing.
They hired him one day before a meeting to help recruit Manny? Wow, that makes no sense. First day on the job and you represent the company on it’s biggest acquisition ever. If it’s true, the Yankees are a run worse than a AAA team.
Hope he doesn’t blow his knee out again.
Or try to blow somebody else’s knee out again
Hahahahaha, NICE!! He’s a punk!
Machado is Chicago bound! Harper signing with the braves… then they trade Tehran, Duvall or Enciarte, and a prospect or 2 for a starter, Kluber, Bundy, Stroman, or Gray,
Harper signs… 8 year plus option 228 mil
Doubt it. I don’t see him signing a deal for anything less than the highest total value or highest AAV. Either way, Boras will be able to spin it as the biggest contract ever.
harmoney101575…..Do you really think a $28.5M AAV gets it done? Really?
i feel all the talk about 30 mil and 10 is not gonna happen… if that pans out, why would he not sign with the bravos… they need an OF and they have been very quiet. could they be waiting for the offers to come out and see if they can match it…. BRAVOS are the SLEEPER PICK
Add some incentive clauses to get it at or over 30 could be in the offer
harmoney101575…..”if” is the biggest word in the dictionary.
Both are going to be in the $35M+ range and probably a few million more. If either would sign for Heyward money instead of Kershaw money there would be more teams involved and an all out bidding war.
I dont see a team giving out a contract like that for Machado or Harper… the 2 big spenders (DODGERS & YANKEES) Dodgers have 2 many OF right now… Same goes for the Yankees. if it comes down to the teams bidding and all offers are in the same range… he could go with ATL and burn Washington 18 times a season… maybe it wont happen…. but fact is AA has said he wants to upgrade the OF…. Harper is avail….. logical landing spot a team on the come up, ATL
harmoney101575: Why would Harper sign an 8 year contract even with an option? So he can hit free agency again when he turns 34 or 35? He either signs a record breaking total value contract ($350-400MM) for 10+ years with the ever popular player opt-out at the 4-5 year mark and a couple of team options at the back OR he settles for a 4-5 year record shattering AAV deal (+/- $40MM) and then becomes a FA again at 30 or 31 when he is still in his prime. Any guaranteed deal between 6-9 years wouldn’t make sense for either Harper or Machado.
Harper to the Braves sounds great. Kind of like a fictional romance story with a happy ending.
The days of the Braves competing in those kinds of markets are looking over with. Maybe we can convince Ted Turner to buy the Braves again.
harmoney101575: Did Liberty Media Corp. sell the Braves? I must have missed that today with all the stock exchanges nose-diving from yet another interest rate hike.
Machado is one of the top 5 all around players in baseball yet to hit his prime. This contingent of Yankees fans that don’t want him confuse me. Let’s get a deal done
Because he’s not a team player, plays dirty and never hustles.
Team sport.. Machado isn’t playing singles tennis. He’s a cancer. You can’t fix what’s been broken for an entire lifetime and exaggerated by notoriety/stardom. Whatever team gets him will regret the contract and it won’t be like most 10 year contracts where performance drops. The fan base really needs to want to have a reputation of being bad guys for them to accept his behavior. The Yankees now have guys like Judge who carries himself like a legitimate star, why would they want to infect their clubhouse with Manny when Arenado and others are available in a year. Heck, even Kris Bryant is available. There should be no market for Manny without team opt outs after the first year. Too much money for that much risk.
Sorry but I don’t think Manny has yet to hit his prime. This whole notion that players hit their prime at X age is something we need to rethink. Guys are coming into the league much more developed (Harper, Acuna, Manny) and that has NOTHING to do with their ultimate ceiling. They’ve just achieved certain things earlier (and it’s line up nicely for them economically); it has no bearing on what they’ll achieve overall.
No one thinks he is untalented. Its more so that the Yankees are fine on offense and should spend all their money on SP and not sink it into a position they already have covered (3B by Andujar, SS by Didi) for cheaper.
All this talk about Machado is crazy. The guy doesn’t hustle, is a dirty player and is ALL about him first. As a Mets fan, I’m hoping above hope that the Yankees sign him because not only will he not live up to the massive contract but then the Mets could go ALL IN on Nolan Arenado in 2019.
This is a question to everyone. Who would you rather have on your team for the next 8-10 years, Manny Machado or Nolan Arenado???
For me, it’s Arenado and it’s not even close.
They can have both.
@djpiglatin
Keep dreaming.
Next 8-10 years? Machado, and it’s not even close. I don’t want to be paying big bucks to a 40 year old.
@Priggs89
Are you moronic!?!?!? Arenado will be playing 2019 at 27 y/o, so if my math is correct, if he signed a 10 yr contract after that, he would be 37 y/o at the end.
’20 – 28 y/o
’21 – 29 y/o
’22 – 30 y/o
’23 – 31 y/o
’24 – 32 y/o
’25 – 33 y/o
’26 – 34 y/o
’27 – 35 y/o
’28 – 36 y/o
’29 – 37 y/o
Make sure you’re at least “grade level” at math before posting a ridiculous reply.
Yes. I’m an idiot. I was looking at both Arenado and Rendon in another thread earlier and got my ages mixed up. I can’t do math either. I should be banned for life for making such an egregious mistake. I’ve failed you internet, and for that, I am sorry.
SMITE ME ALMIGHTY SMITER
Actually you are off a bit too Danny. Arenado will be playing the vast majority of 2019 as a 28 year old as his B-Day is April 16th.
I just looked up Arenado’s profile and you’re right Cat Mando. Even with that, Arenado getting a 10 yr contract is not crazy. He’ll be 38 y/o for most of his final season on a 10 yr contract versus 37 y/o.
Nobody…and I mean nobody in today’s game should ever get a 10 year contract!
I agree but it does happen from time to time.
For the next 4-5, Arenado. For the next 8-10, someone still in the minors.
Think about what you’re saying. Both Manny and Harper will be 26 at the start of 2019. Arenado will be 29 at the start of 2020. Then his career splits are drastic. His career road OPS is 200 points lower than his home and in 2018 it was more than a 300 point difference. I’ll say no go on Arenando.
2000 WS v2.0 in 2019!
Rumor has it he was late to arrive and tried to take out Boone’s knees.
If he cares about winning he will not sign with the white Sox. See how going for the most money and signing with a loser team worked out for Cano
I’d say if he cares about winning, he will not sign with the Phillies. Even with him, they’re the 3rd best team in that division for the foreseeable future.
I think we need to back off the concept that he cares about winning. His contract will so severely hurt the payroll of whatever team he is on that any team currently winning won’t be for long. He needs Philly or the White Sox to go big but if all teams decide 5 years is the most investment they want to make for ANY baseball star, it would be fun to see him sit this spring and maybe pull a Le’Veon Bell-like move and miss the entire year. A big dose of humble pie for him. Maybe he might hustle a bit more after that!!
@Priggs89
You clearly know nothing about baseball. I’m a Mets fan and even I know that the Phillies have a really good team. If they added Machado & another SP, they would be a force. More reason why I’m hoping Machado signs with the Yankees.
Congratulations on being a Mets fan.
They aren’t as good as you think they are. They had a -51 run differential, which was 20th in the league last year – even worse than your beloved Mets. Atlanta and Washington are both better teams.
Danny B It’s very confusing when you state that someone else clearly knows nothing about baseball and then you state that you are a Mets fan. Machado with the Phillies is going to mean less money for the other positions so best case a year or two of being competitive if all the young players play back to their potential. My point still is that he will destroy the clubhouse and limit the future of the franchise. The Dodgers were smart by limiting their exposure to him, going after a one year win and testing the water to see if he was worth it. Their answer is …. he isn’t.
“less money for other positions” — in an overall sense, that holds water. But in a market as large as the Phils’ and with how little they have on the books, they can EASILY afford 35 million a year for Machado for 10 years. Will Machado’s personality draw millions to the stadium to watch him? No. But as one hell-of-a-good baseball player in his prime, will people come to watch him contribute to a competitive team? Yes. I’m a Phillies fan and I want him. 35 million a year will NOT cripple this franchise, otherwise there wouldn’t have been so much serious talk about how the Phils were frontrunners to sign both Harper and Machado.
@Priggs89
Unless the Nationals bring back Bryce Harper, I GUARANTEE that they finish 4th in the NL East. The Nationals added an overrated SP in Corbin & brought back Matt Adams. Oh yea, Washington is really striking fear into all the NL East teams. Please bro, learn more about baseball before making an asinine comment like this. The Braves, Phillies & Mets have all leapfrogged Washington.
@KD17
I was just stating that if the Phillies were to add Machado to their team, they would be a better team. However, I agree with you about how Machado would destroy a clubhouse, ANY clubhouse. I remember when the off season started, there were Mets fans begging & hoping that Brodie Van Wagenen would sign Machado but I was not one of those fans. Still am not. If the Mets were to spend big, I would prefer Harper over Machado anyday of the week and twice on Sunday. Machado is a really, really good ballplayer. No one can deny that but with his lack of hustle, dirty antics & just overall lack of team continuity, he is not worth the hefty investment it will take to sign him.
As I suggested before the mystery team may ultimately turn out to be a fabrication by some baseball reporters, a “mystery” to everybody involved including the teams, the player and his agent. It could also be a ploy by his representative to increase the number of suitors by 25%. In any event it’s looking more and more like a 3 horse race for Manny Machado at this point in time.
The Bryce Harper market also appears very limited with only the Phillies and White Sox considered serious or at least realistic bidders currently, along with the Dodgers at some point in time if some other moves come to fruition.
So, while it’s entirely possible and maybe even likely that Machado becomes a Yankee and Harper a Dodger (my picks), the odds are also looking better for the Phillies and the White Sox to land either or both with such a limited amount of pursuers. In theory at least, they would certainly become the prohibitive favorites if an actual bidding war erupted for both FA’s with their current payrolls and no luxury tax concerns anytime soon.
rumor has it that braves have 30 mil avail for 2019…. if they trade Tehran, they free up a little more… Harper likes ATL, Dont sleep on them coming in and getting him behind closed doors 😉
Once again…Did Liberty Media sell the Braves? If they didn’t they are not signing Bryce Harper anytime soon.
What’s with all the hypotheticals? I have news for you. Both the Cubs and Dodgers would be far more likelier destinations for Harper if they were to free up some payroll space and OF spots. Harper may like Atlanta but it is not LA and Chicago.
Harper was born and raised in Las Vegas and still calls it home. LA offers him proximity, glitz and the best chance of winning in a weaker NL West.
Harper’s connection to the Cubs is widely known. Aside from publicly stating his affection for Chicago as a city, his MLB BFF is fellow Vegas native Kris Bryant and their wives are as well. He even named his dog Wrigley. If the playing field was equal in terms of capacity to spend among the 3 clubs, the Cubs would probably rank #1, the Dodgers #2 and the Brave #3. As things stand now, none are in a position to sign Harper to a record breaking contract.
Harper’s own personal wish list of destinations among all MLB teams would probably still have the Cubs on top along with his favored team growing up, the Yankees. The Nationals would probably also be in his top-3 as the only organization he has played for thus far.
Down the road, Harper may be hoping that MLB expands to Las Vegas in the not too distant future. In fact, this is a near certainty as soon as the stadium situations in Oakland and Tampa are resolved, perhaps in time for the next CBA. Who knows, the stars may align for both Harper and Bryant who may each get a chance to play in their home towns and together. Harper will probably sign a 10+ year contract with a player opt-out when he nears 30 years of age or he might settle for a record shattering AAV shorter term deal when he reaches that same age. Bryant will become a FA himself in time for the 2022 season. The odds would be against this happening but I am talking about Vegas here!
I’m just going to come out an say it because it needs to be said. I think some of the anti-Machado sentiment is perhaps some subconscious racism going on. I feel like Manny has the Alex Rodriguez syndrome being thrown at him. Manny is full of passion and plays the game hard. Sometimes he will do something foolish or lose his head a bit, but so do a lot of stars in the game. And I don’t know of any teammates who didn’t think he was a team player. And I don’t know too many opposing players that think he doesn’t play the game like it should be played. He may play dirty at times, but hey, that is the sign of someone who wants to win. So he didn’t run out a groundball. Big deal. So he says things without rehearsing them. Big deal. It is the Manny Machados of the game that keep baseball relevant and fun to watch
So, let me understand your racist viewpoint…. Were we racist when we hated Ty Cobb for intentionally spiking players at 2B? Were we racist when we hated Pete Rose for his all-star game collision with Fosse? Were we racist when we objected to Roseboro taking a bat to another player? Or could it be that people just hate dirty players, lazy players, selfish players, uninspiring players, confrontational players etc.? Your comment was a perfect example of a culture that can’t figure out issues so they default to racism and keep the country divided. It was ignorant. If people hate Machado because of his race that is a completely different issue than people hating him for hurting Pedroia, kicking a first baseman or not hustling. Both may exist but the later is related to baseball which is the discussion here. Like AROD with his attempt to slap a ball out of a glove during a routine ground out, Manny’s actions have created the problem for the folks on this website. not racism.
Couldn’t have said it better myself, and I’m the furthest thing from a Red Sox fan.
They can’t accept REALITY why criticized sooo..
“When in doubt, pull out the race card.”
It was Juan Marichal hitting John Roseboro with the bat.
yes it was
As an O’s fan I watched Manny for five plus years—daily. His glove work around the bag is, truly, the best I’ve ever seen. (And as an O’s fan I’ve seen some glorious glove work.) Yet all along I sensed no loyalty to the Orioles or their community and he felt like a dude—despite his cliches in interviews about “team” and “grinding”—who was in it for himself. He also, like ARod, comes across as consistently insincere—a real problem.
Glad he was an O, but felt no remorse when we shipped him to LA.
To me, I see a response full of projection and defensive sputtering. All I was saying was that the guy plays the game hard and players seem to like him. And since racism is rampant in our culture, I’m gonna guess it is rampant among fandom. I see a lot of foaming at the mouth against Manny that doesn’t add up with logical arguments.. Some of it is probably racism. That’s my opinion.
Now, that doesn’t mean every criticism of Manny is racist. So keep that in mind. You can accuse me of stoking the fire of polarity and I can accuse you of not living in reality, but hey that isn’t gonna get us anywhere.
Wait … racism is “rampant” in our culture? What culture are you in? I live in America, it is not rampant, it is there, but it is not rampant … unless of course it pushes your agenda forward. Racism certainly is not rampant in sports, that is borderline idiotic. A few cases out of all sports players, is a very very low percentage, that one would not characterize as “rampant”. Get with the times, excuses never get you where you want to be.
Great response tac. This guy Hillary/trump comes on and every comment is about racism. He is really a troll. If you don’t want Machado on your team you must be a racist? It’s morons like that which divide us further. Your not allowed to have an opinion about wanting a player because it maybe in his eyes perceived as racists?
Go buy a clue!
Thanks for the heads up, I’ll try not to feed “it”.
Woah people. You are swinging with emotions here. Take a step back and cool down. When people react so defensively it says a lot about some inner shadow work that needs to be done. Defensive posturing is
often a sign of projection. I NEVER said that if you don’t want Machado on your team you must be a racist. What I did say is that a lot of people seem to be beating up on the guy for really petty silly reasons. After looking through these silly reasons I came to the conclusion that perhaps some of the fans on this site are racist, just as many Trump supporters are racist and many Hillary supporters are racist. I did NOT single anyone out but made a general conclusion based on my expertise of the human psyche. Being a racist doesn’t make you a bad father and doesn’t mean you don’t have friends of color. We all have our racist tendencies.
Sometimes people react so emotionally because their subconscious understands a truth they don’t want to admit about their own self. I don’t know if that was the case here, but why get so emotional?
Happy Holidays and have a wonderful xmas.
If anything, the excessive hate on Machado is from a lot of people who think there’s a good chance he ends up with the Yankees. Just getting a head start on hating a player because of the the team he may end up on. Far more Anti-Yankites than racists around here.
Some Yankees fans arent the brightest baseball fans. So many just hide behind their past success but really have no idea how the sport works in other markets that do not buy championships. “whats this thing called a rebuild” “team A sucks” even though a team is rebuilding. I dunno just look at the royals,astros and cubs…all teams that sucked that did a real rebuild.
Yeah, I mean the Cubs drafted Chapman, Lester, zobrist, the Astros drfates and developed Verlander, Beltran, Gattis, Josh Reddick, Charlie Morton, Ken Giles.
Oh, here we go with the Yankees buy championships again….and denigrating the baseball intelligence of Yankee fans…..from. your call sign I take it your a Red Sox fan…..maybe you should stick to what you know rather than commenting on stuff that hasn’t happened for the last 10 years!
Lastly…Oh right everything the Sox do is GOLDEN right!
Tell you what, if the Yankees stop spending like drunken sailors every offseason, we’ll stop denigrating them and their fans.
The same applies to the Red Sox. You both drastically overpay and overspend to gain advantage on the rest of the league. Other than that, there’s nothing special about either organization.
Move on Yankees. Don’t screw the foundation you built up with this signing. Wait for Arenado next year. Play Andujar at first 20-25 games this year and see if there is anything there. Sign Harper and next off season unload Stanton and Andujar for a young ace if he can’t handle 1st base
This also buys them another year to see if Andujar 3b defense approves. Might not even need Arenado or trade Stanton if it does. Then we wait to go trout fishing
I admire your passion. You’re a dreamer, like me, someone I’d enjoy talking baseball with many hrs.
Only thing is, I’d give up the idea of Trout fishing. Phillies are his favorite team, and they’re loaded, and that’s in the unlikely scenario he leaves LAA.
Not if they sign machado this year and arenado next year when Andujar proves his worth
This also buys Andujar another season to see if 3b defense approved. We might not even have to go after Arenado and wait to go Trout fishing the winter of 20
If I was the Yankees GM …
Sign Harper 6-8 year deal (35-40 AAV) & Opt-Out after 4 years
Trade frazier and 2-3 lower level prospects for Syndergaard or Bauer
Release Ellsbury
Sign Jed Lowrie/Murphy or Tulo for 2B/SS/1B
Resign Britton & Robertson
Harper plays LF ( Gardner becomes 4th outfielder)
Andujar STAYS @ 3B (for now)
Rotation adds another hard thrower / ACE
Bullpen remains intact (strong)
Veterans added in the infield until Didi returns and to help younger players
No way the Mets take Frazier+ for THREE years of Syndergaard.
They’d have to include Andujar AND a relief pitcher like Holder to get that done.
I see you as that annoying owner in your fantasy league with delusional trade offers daily
you are delusional.. why would Mets give up Thor for Frazier.. He’s worthless.. how long has he played in majors??
why would Harper sign for just 6-8 yrs?? so he can be on FA at age 34??
If I were the yanks. I’d trade for Joey Gallo’s 1b left handed bat. He would put 50 hrs a year up and he’s coming into his prime years.I see Adam Dunn’s clone. High OBP, low average bopper
I LOVE Joey Gallo!!! I would love to see Gallo on the Mets. His low BA means nothing to me. The offensive production he provides is ridiculous. As for the Yankees, hell yea, I would prefer Gallo over both Machado & Harper.
Just saying. Harper and Gallo were little league teammates
Andujar,Frazier for Gallo(1b),Calhoun (2b) and Mike Minor(SP)…. Would everyone take that is the question?? I know I would
Yeah I’d take it in a heartbeat if I was the Rangers. The Yankees? I would hang up the phone.
New to baseball, are we?
Jerry Callo dude.
Wake me up when he signs better yet dont because I dont care. As a person frankly he really dont impress me .
Maybe dont waste your time on these articles then.
oh good one so now I have you making those comments while I’m in the hospital doing chemo for cancer hope It made you feel better about yourself
HAHAHAHAHA. This is going in the Internet Hall of Fame!
Wild horse, braves lurking in the background… jk… we don’t make big impactful moves like this ever. Cept for BJ Upton? Lol
I think you mean Dark Horse… sigh… oh the youth…
Yes, 138th comment! In your face!
I’d give Manny 8/300 with 2 opt out.
Interesting that the two teams he has already played for have no interest in him. Buyer beware.
Well one of those teams already has a star third basemen and the other is the Orioles.
People are trying so hard to down machado because there is a high chance of him becoming a Yankee lmao
Wonder what the sentiment will be if he ends up with the Phillies or White Sox?
And don’t discount the White Sox, people forget how much of a long shot the Mariners were for Cano. The Angels and Cubs– and even the Yankees (who many said would up their offer) were seen as the most serious contenders until about a week before he signed.
I’ve watched Manny since he played with the Shorebirds the Os low A team. I dont see any what you guys are talking about. Hes had 3 immature lapses in all that time. 2 of which came before he was 22. All I’ve ever seen is the best Defensive 3rd baseman in our franchise history, a person who made plays even Brooks could never dream of. A player who was always on the top step cheering when his teammates did well. A player who always came up clutch, a player who gave back to the city (although not as much as Adam Jones but who has) a player who has never had a teammate question him in anyway. But hey MLBTraderumors have 200k couch GMs thinking they know a player. My 2 cents after seeing almost every game the man has played since turning pro.
Yankees will regret signing Machado.
As long as it’s in year 9 of 10, I’m okay with that.
Don’t worry, he will not be a Yankee. He is going to the highest bidder, which will be Philadelphia
Anyone pretending like 10/300 isn’t a starting point isn’t really in line for his services.
“ain’t going to sell where we play baseball.”
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Where is that? I didn’t even know Hal played baseball.
New York is where the Yankees play baseball. Do keep up.
And if fans can refer to their team as “we” I think the OWNER OF THE TEAM can too.
It’s the Owner’s team so hell yea he can use “we”
I use “we” all the time … to refer to the NY Yankees community, as a whole: players, owners, employees, fans included. Everyone who contributes to the success of the team, in any way.
If I say “we’re gonna get Machado”, or “we’re gonna win the division”, that’s perfectly valid. The team wouldn’t exist without the fans, let alone have the financial means to acquire Machado, or win the division.
What isn’t valid is “where we play baseball”. Only the players play the game. That’s an important distinction, because it is primarily the players, and the people who have played the game in the past, who should judge Machado’s on field actions. They’re the only ones who truly understand what it’s like to be in his situation.
The rest of us should spend less time spouting our uninformed opinions, and more time listening to what the players and former players have to say about it.
Hal should also worry less about “selling”, and more about winning. Don’t worry, buddy: if you win, we’re gonna buy your product. Doesn’t matter if we like the specific player or not. A-Rod was one of the must unpopular people in NY, while he was playing. He also caused attendance to shoot up by a million/year. There’s no need to chase likeable players. Get players who win, and we’ll like ’em plenty.
Too long a post to defend a stupid comment.
A-Rod got a 10-year deal at the same age as Harper and Machado with Texas. That same year, Manny Ramirez got an 8-year deal at the age of 28. Both signed until 35-36 years old. Obviously that’s nearly 20 years ago, but you get the general consensus of what those guys are going after.
As for Machado being a Top 5 player in the majors….well, is he better than Trout? Betts? Would he be the best player on the Indians? Astros? Cubs? Is he even better than Harper?
All up for debate, but hard to say Machado is a lock for Top 5 player. Strong argument both he and Harper are in the Top 10. Position players, ofcourse.
Yes, I think ultimately he’s better than Harper. But your other points are well taken. I don’t think he’s a top 5 player (though he’s arguably top 10). The two things he has on his side over most of the t.op players in the game however, are youth and availability.
Most of the best talent out there at the moment is signed and going nowhere. That, and the fact that you’ll get his prime years gives him the bargaining power to set his price, and there will probably be a team willing to pay it.
Yep. Agreed.
Middleton and MacPhail are thankfully backtracking earlier “stupid money” comments. Hopefully this applies to both Harper and Machado.
Machado to Whitesox, Harper to Phillies.
As an Orioles fan, who watched Manny playing every day, all I can say I don’t think he is a guy who is going to destroy a clubhouse, I only saw camaderie all the time with his peers, never argued with Showalter, etc, now, he plays dirty? Probably yes but besides he does not hustle running to first, he is a guy who does want to win all the time, I really don’t see him as a total Cancer in a clubhouse IMO..
I’m very confused as to how the Yankees would think that Machado is a perfect fit for their organization. They have all all star SS back by June and Andujar who if you don’t move him first, you will have to sell low on him as teams know he’s as good as gone. Not to mention the RH bat in a RH lineup.
Harper on the other hand could slot in at CF. Is LH. Would add another 40 homers while sacrificing maybe 20 in Hicks or 10 in Gardy, vs losing Andujars outstanding offensive production which still has room to grow.
Machado to NYY makes no sense to me whatsoever. Ive said it before and I’ll say it again. I hope the Yanks win the bidding on this one.
Hicks is also a great piece of trade bait.
Harper isn’t a CF, Hicks is a very talented CF, and Hicks is very cheap with only one year of control. So there’s no sane reason to think Hicks is a “great piece of trade bait”
Harper spent almost 500 innings last season in CF. Granted, I’d obviously prefer to have him in a corner position, but he had a -18 UZR in CF and a -15.4 UZR in RF where he spent 860 innings. He was clearly not 100% for good parts of the season though, which I’m sure contributed to those metrics. But he hasn’t been a great fielder at all since 2014. He’s been solid since and not great last season (-5 to +6 UZR range 2015-2017 in RF). But you’re not paying Harper for his defense.
Sticking another RH in the middle of the lineup doesn’t make much sense from an offensive perspective either, which would be the case with Machado. Machado, Judge, Stanton, Sanchez, Torres, etc. There is really no lefty threat other then the switch hitting Hicks. The Red Sox may have a lefty heavy rotation, but I’m not sure stacking that many righties is a great idea in general, especially considering they are all going to be around for awhile.
Why on earth would the Yankees sell low on Andujar? Lmao. last I checked he’s inter team control for a long time and just came off a great rookie season
I get that he’s a poor defensive 3rd baseman but he just hit .297/27/92 with 47 doubles, and nearly won rookie of the year.
Though I agree there’s room for improvement, his value is very high right now.
Also remember that he was the guy the Pirates wanted for Gerrit Cole, and now he’s got one year of All Star performance in the majors, so his value is even higher than it was last offseason.
Not suggesting they sell low. They sound intent on selling Andujar this off-season, which is why I say signing Machado to a 10-year deal will make it harder to maximize his value.
Was certainly not suggesting they sell low on Andujar. Quite the opposite. I’d roll the dice with Andujar and sign Harper, while looking to flip Hicks (Gardner has no value).
Signing Machado would not be the worst thing the Yankees have done, trading Andujar in response to it would. Half of Machado’s contract you could have Andujar at minimal cost comparatively, and IMO he will put up equal production.
Andujar is the next Beltre offensively. Stick him at first and sell high on Voit if you trade anyone, not that he would fetch much. You cannot get rid of that bat!
I don’t think they’re referring to positionally. They’ll move pieces around to fit a guy who just makes sense. He’s proven he can perform at a high level in the AL East. Has punished their biggest rival, provides the stabilizing defense they desperately need, he’s young and they can afford to pay him for the next decade, and he’s proven he can handle playing in a spotlight (on the field) and after meeting him they must feel his attitude and temperament are a good fit.
As for position, Andujar can be moved in a trade as his value is sky high, or be sent to DH. Their current DH also happens to be a highy rated defensive outfielder.
I don’t think you understand what the phrase “sell low” means. His value is lower now than it has ever been in his career. Andujar’s value is currently at the highest it has ever been as he’s proven his worth over the course of a full MLB season.
Rather then saying “sell low’ as that infers his value is low, what I was referring to was hurting their position in a trade discussion. Its much harder to pry a piece away that a team will still find useful then a piece that is imminently disposable. When another team feels like there’s a chance a team will hold onto a guy, they are more willing to offer one extra piece or that guy who they really don’t want to part with. If they feel like they have the best offer, they can hold out rather then worry about bidding against themselves.
That’s what makes this deal harder to me then signing Harper. Hicks is an easy flip and with his value as a 4th OF, even if you sign Harper its easier to sell teams on that you are willing to hold onto him for another year. Maybe I’m making it a little too much business and not enough baseball, but I see baseball sense here as well in balancing the lineup.
But I’m not going to claim to think I know better then Cash.
If he signs with the Yankees I think they are going to have to outbid both the WhiteSox and Phillies and that could mean over $350M for 8-10 years. If that happens with the Stanton contract and what they will end up needing to pay Judge that would strap the franchise especially if any of them get hurt etc. Its not an issue based on how much $ the Yankees have, its an issue for luxury tax pmts and other needs in the future for pitching etc…I think the Yankee’s are cautious based on what they learned from the ARod contract and Texieria etc. it’s hurts later not know.
Why would the Yankees have to outbid those two teams?
Please sign with the Yankees
Machado and Sanchez on the same team
Holy laziness
Nobody is worth that kind of paycheck except maybe Trout and he is starting to get bit by the injury bug
All these comments are ridiculous. Manny is a top 10 player, top 5 arguably. He makes any team better. Just more Yankee hate that’s laughable
I love how the most talented Latino players are always called lazy………
Why bring race into anything?
Because it’s not a new thing. Just last month the Mariners were accused of repeatedly using “laziness” in targeted criticism of their latino players.
theguardian.com/sport/2018/nov/13/seattle-mariners…
Look at the comments above, they prove my point
A-Rod was called all kinds of stuff, but not lazy, and it’s true, a lot of the new generation coming from Dominican Republic don’t run hard to first base. I really like Manny, and I wanted him to be a Yankee since he was drafted by the O’s, but I’ve been having doubts after his postseason behavior.
My opinion for what it’s worth, is that Harper wants close to $400m for 10 years..I don’t know if he’ll get it, but my hunch is he gets real close.
As for Manny, I do not think he’ll be far behind..Maybe 10 @ $350ish!
The Nats went to their limit of 10 for $300m and it was dismissed immediately.
I’m a Phillies Phan.. If the season were to begin today, I’d list the NL East as:
1-Braves
2-Nats
3-Mets
4-Phils
5-Guppies
I’d flip the Mets and Phillies if the Mets have pitching issues
Now, add either Machado or Harper to the Phils lineup, and I think they’d be right there with both the Braves and Nats
Dads………..
I think the Phillies try something like they did with JA…I posted this before…..
Phillies/Machado…a shorter term higher AAV…$20M signing bonus paid out over the first 3 years….$35M first 3 years…
opt out at the end of year 3 w/team override that adds $5M/year next 3 years
$36M base years 4-6….
opt out end of year 6 w/team override that adds $5M/year next 2 years…
years 7-8 $38M base..
club options years 9-10 $39M/per with $10M buyouts.
Total guaranteed without “overrides” and including buyouts $329M. With “opt out overrides” $354M. With years 9 and 10 (unlikely) $412M
This way if he preforms well can opt out at a young age but the Phillies can retain him if the want by adding $5M more to his base salary. He has a large guaranteed base with incentives basically. If he plays well & opts out and the team wants to go another direction then all is good.
Sounds doable..Also would like them to skip trying to get Minor and take a shot at Kikuchi…
I don’t want Minor either but I think Kikuchi is a long shot. If they get Manny and he agrees to play 3rd (he has said he would for the right contract) it frees up Franco as a trade chip. They actually have some MLB pieces they can trade along with prospects for pitching.
Biggest thing is shoring up defense.
If they do get Manny I am just scared where Adonis may bat him.
LOL! Manny should bat 1st or 3rd..
Harper, of the two, will not live up to his contract. Mark it down, Harper will suffer an injury early on in his contract that will zap him of his abilities. He will decline by age 30…..and he was overrated prior anyhow.
Machado is more injury prone than Harper, but I like his production a lot more
Big if true
What’s the deal with machado’s ears?
Isn’t Manny’s second cousin, twice removed, on his mother’s side, an employee of a hot dog vendor who works for a guy who once sold ice cream at the Phillie’s stadium?
Once removed…get it straight
I am glad the BoSoxs have no need for a non hustling player.
See, this was your chance to really embarrass the Yankee community by winning a title and being the kind of classy winner that they usually aren’t. Enjoy embarrassing the Yankees by holding your heads high like the winners you are, not by slinging insults.
While a bit of a trolling comment, I don’t think it was aimed at the Yankees. There is more then 1 team in on Machado. This article happens to be about the Yankees. I too, would not want the Sox to sign Machado. I did play around with the idea of trading Bogaerts and signing Machado, even though I’m not a Manny fan.
We have no one to replace Bogy in the farm system and other then going Gregorious, if he doesn’t resign in NY, there are no exciting free agent SS in 2020 or 2021. Simmons would be a huge offensive downgrade, and that’s about the only one I’d consider anything close to a replacement.
But when I did the math and looked at the longevity of the players, I’d rather just pay Bogaerts, personally. But a trade and sign made some sense from a long-term security perspective. Of course that doesn’t even begin to discuss the luxury tax implications of such a deal.
So again, I too am glad that the Sox are out of this bidding even if they like Machado more then I do. Nothing personal at the Yankees.
Machado is a good fit for the Yanks, he is a star player, has done well in the East, and fits what they need. I see them signing him 10/310 with 2 opt outs after 4 and 6 . This move makes them the best team on paper. They also will add a top relief pitcher in Ottavino, Robertson, or Miller.
Damn, it’s gonna be fun watching the White Sox humiliate all the quarter billion dollar payroll teams in the coming years. I can’t wait.
This is the same kind of hyperbolic nonsense that Yankees fans spew that always makes them look stupid, so I’d watch myself with predictions like that.
White Sox have a lot of potential and it’ll be good for them game for them to contend and win a title.
The white Sox
Are very familiar with humiliation over the last decade or so
Yeah, and the Yankees spend an obscene amount of money to beat them. Tampa Bay Rays would own you in a salary capped league.
Spending money does not guarantee winning, however not spending money guarantees losing. World champion Red Sox had the highest payroll in baseball.
NL Champs had the second highest. Astros in 2017 were 18th, though.
he belongs in ny because he’s a jackass…just sign him already
Ok, first of all, I know many of you will disagree with what I am going to say and that is fine. But here is a potential idea I had to make the best Yankees team for 2019 and beyond in just 3 transactions…and it means NOT signing Manny Machado. As much as I think he is a good player, he can fill a better need for someone like the Phillies who desperately need an improvement at SS and/or 3B and probably can offer more money. With that in mind, here we go:
1. Sign Marwin Gonzalez to a 3-year $30MM deal (AAV $10MM). Every team can use Marwin Gonzalez due to his versatility. He can play first, SS, LF, etc. and is a switch hitter. This would immensely help the Yankees as he adds a non-RH bat to an otherwise dominantly RH-lineup. He can play 1B in case Voit is unable to replicate his 2018 performance. Finally, I believe Torres should slide to SS as the overall better player, but Marwin can fill in on off-days or when Torres is at 2B. Despite this, however, I still think the Yankees should add some more MI help which leads me to step 2.
2. Trade Jacoby Ellsbury & others to the SF Giants for Joe Panik & Will Smith. There is no place for CF Ellsbury and will probably produce between a 0 to 1 WAR in 2019. Fortunately, the Giants CF produced almost a -1 WAR in 2018. If the Yankees pay most (if not all) of Ellsbury’s remaining contract, that removes the burden from the Yankees roster while providing a small (but still positive) improvement to the Giants. Why Panik and Smith? Panik has 2 years left and is a LH batting 2B which fills the hole in Step 1. He is only great against RH pitchers which is why Torres would sometime need to switch back to 2B with Marwin at SS. Will Smith, while the Giants current closer, is not a closer type and would be better as a LH relief to booster the Yankee’s relief corp. to be like what it has been these past few years. He also only has 1 year of team control left so getting him for something is beneficial to a Giants team stuck between competing and rebuilding. OBVIOUSLY the Yanks would need to give more than a free Ellsbury to make this trade happen, so I suggest that on top of that, they give 5 of these players (Chance Adams, Tyler Wade, Greg Bird, Tommy Kahnle, Jonathan Holder, Luis Cessa, and/or some lower tier prospects). That should give the Giants an improved farm system (known to be quite weak), depth, and controllable talent with good upside. Seems like a fair trade to me!
3. Finally, and this might be even more controversial than Step 2, sign Bryce Harper to a 10-year, $330MM deal. I know, I know, Cashman said they are not in, there is no place in the OF, why spend that money on a guy who didn’t even get an MVP vote in 2018. Whether you believe it or not, Harper is a generational candidate, who has sacrificed his body for plays to benefit the team, has always been a lifelong Yankees fan, and has been on the Yankees radar since he was 16. He IS way more of a “Johnny Hustle” than Machado and thats what the Yankees need. Also, a LH, OBP producing bat is what the Yankees need in that lineup. Now for the questions.
No space in the OF: Even after moving Ellsbury, there is still Gardner, Stanton, Hicks, Judge, and Frazier. Gardner is suited for a backup role, not a starting, Frazier is going to need time to recuperate after his injuries, and both Gardner and Hicks are FA’s after 2019. The guy is athletic enough to play LF (or any other OF position) and is projected by Fangraphs to reach 4.9 WAR in 2019. That’s compared to Gardner’s projected 1.6…
The Money: As for the contract amount or length, $330MM is a 10% upgrade on the Nationals offer Harper turned down. If they need to add years, opt outs, or load the backend of the deal, so be it, just keep the next 3 years at $33MM each. Yankees have been stung before from the likes of Ellsbury, AJ Burnett, etc., but Harper is younger and better than all of those guys were when they signed and I like the odds that he will be worth the money, at least for the next 4 years…
As for the budget, let’s assume that in a worse case situation, Yankees have to pay all of Ellsbury, Bird, Kahnle, or whoever else they trade, as well as Smith & Panik, plus the signings of Marwin & Harper, were looking at $231.5MM opening day. Definitely one of the largest, if not largest, payroll in Yanks history. Fortunately, I believe the Giants would take on the contracts of most/all of the non-Ellsbury players the Yanks trade and maybe even a couple hundred thousand of Ellsbury which would bring the payroll closer to $226MM, which while is still one of the largest in their history, doesn’t even come close to all-time (Dodgers opening day a few years back was over $272MM) and would be less than $190MM starting for the 2020 season to open some room for another big name player (I’m thinking maybe Chris Sale if he is available…). Either way, why else bother resetting their luxury tax if they werent going to use it and its not like they would be spending a crazy amount anyway.
With that in mind, here is the Yankees starting roster for Opening Day 2019:
VS. LH (L/R/S)
C: Sanchez (R)
1B: Voit (R)
2B: Torres (R)
3B: Andujar(R)
SS: M. Gonzalez (B)
LF: Harper (L)
CF: Hicks (B)
RF: Judge (R)
DH: Stanton (R)
VS. RH (L/R/S)
C: Sanchez (R)
1B: M. Gonzalez (B) or Voit (R)
2B: Panik (L)
3B: Andujar (R)
SS: Torres (R)
LF: Harper (L)
CF: Hicks (B)
RF: Judge (R)
DH: Stanton (R)
Please let me know what you guys think and any ideas you would to tweak what I presented. I tried to be as realistic as possible too
I do not think many people will read the post. Its just sooo long
Yea I just skimmed it and in the nicest way possible, no.
5 players to get rid of ellsbury and eat his salary? Might as well cut him and keep your 5 players from your 40 man roster.
Can’t do Harper and marwin. But I like where you heads at.
I agree with almost everything you said. Machado is great, but his attitude is something that he can’t outrun, especially in New York. Harper is a much better player than Machado and a much bigger presence in the lineup. I’m not sure you’d be able to tempt anyone to a great extent with Ellsbury though, even if you picked up his whole tab. And I would definitely not even consider trading Greg Bird. If he stays healthy and fixes a few things he’s going to be a star. He could hit 35 without even breaking a sweat, and his OBP will always be around .400 if he could maintain a decent batting average, which I think he can do.