It is officially draft day in Major League Baseball, and as the clock has struck midnight on the east coast, it also means that teams can sign free agents who rejected the qualifying offer without having to surrender the draft pick compensation usually attached to QO picks. Thus, after months of speculation, Dallas Keuchel and Craig Kimbrel have been one of their chief obstacles to a new contract fall by the wayside.
While several players have seen their free agent markets impacted by the qualifying offer over the QO’s seven offseasons of existence, Keuchel and Kimbrel join Kendrys Morales as the only players to escape the qualifying offer’s draft penalties by simply waiting out the draft itself to sign new contracts. Stephen Drew’s free agent visit also extended into the 2014 season, though he ultimately re-signed with the Red Sox before the draft.
Of course, waiting this long to sign has the obvious drawback of inactivity. The two pitchers have now given up over two months of their careers and a proper Spring Training camp, though Keuchel and Kimbrel have both been working in preparation to eventually get on the field, Keuchel and Kimbrel will have to ramp up their activity without the benefit of a proper Spring Training camp. According to Keuchel’s agent Scott Boras, the southpaw will be ready to join his new team about a week after signing, which seems like a somewhat optimistic projection. It’s worth noting that Morales and Drew both struggled badly in their abbreviated 2014 seasons, and we’ve seen several other examples (i.e. Greg Holland last season) of how players with QO-induced extended layoffs can struggle without the benefit of a proper offseason.
As a reminder, here is what each team would have had to give up in terms of compensation had they signed Keuchel or Kimbrel at any point in the last seven months. The large majority of teams would have had to give up just one draft selection (either their second-highest or third-highest pick), and the 12 clubs who didn’t exceed the luxury tax or receive revenue-sharing payments would have also had to surrender $500K in international bonus pool money. The Nationals and Red Sox were the only two teams who did surpass the luxury tax threshold in 2018, and thus would have had to give up their second- and fifth-highest picks plus $1MM in international bonus pool money. (This only applies to Boston in regards to Keuchel, as the Sox obviously could have re-signed Kimbrel with no penalty since he was most recently on their team.)
The Red Sox and Astros are further impacted, as the two clubs will now no longer receive the extra picks that would have been owed to them had Kimbrel and Keuchel indeed signed elsewhere. Since they paid into the luxury tax, the Red Sox would have only received a pick between the fourth and fifth rounds, while Houston would have received a pick between Competitive Balance Round B and the third round. While the current draft order would have been altered in this scenario depending on what team gave up their pick to sign Keuchel, the Astros would have had either the 78th or 79th overall pick if Keuchel had indeed landed on another team.
Rather than discussing how Keuchel would impact a new rotation, or how Kimbrel would shore up the back of a contending team’s bullpen, the two pitchers instead became the poster children for the increasing lack of action in baseball’s free agent market. With modern front offices putting so much value on possessing a young player (either a draft pick or an international signing) through six or as many as seven seasons pre-free agency, as well as an increased wariness in how veteran players decline in their 30’s, teams are simply loathe to give up draft capital and/or spend money on established free agents, even noted stars like Keuchel and Kimbrel.
In fairness to teams, the qualifying offer draft compensation wasn’t the only reason both pitchers are still available as the calendar turned to June. There were legitimate baseball reasons to hold off on spending huge money on either player — Keuchel’s grounder-heavy arsenal and lack of a power fastball might not age well, while Kimbrel looked shaky down the stretch and throughout Boston’s postseason run in 2018.
Keuchel and Boras were looking for at least a five-year contract, while Kimbrel entered the offseason hoping for what would have been a record-setting $100MM+ contract for a closer. Both those sky-high initial asking prices have since been lowered, as Kimbrel was said to be looking for a three-year deal in early April, while Kimbrel was reportedly open to a one-year contract worth more than the value of the $17.9MM qualifying offer he turned down from Houston. MLB Network’s Jon Heyman, however, notes that such a prorated one-year offer isn’t being considered by either Keuchel or Kimbrel, as “both would be signed” if they were willing to settle for such contracts.
With the draft pick hurdle now cleared and over a third of the season gone, it remains to be seen exactly what type of contracts Keuchel and Kimbrel will end up signing. A one-year pact would have allowed either pitcher to test free agency again this winter without the qualifying offer, though that scenario might not be appealing if the shortened season does lead to a downturn in performance. At the same time, it’s rather hard to imagine teams extended multi-year guarantees given the circumstances.
As odd as it sounds after seven months of inaction, but Keuchel and Kimbrel now aim to be hot commodities for a wide range of teams looking for rotation or bullpen help. The Braves, Brewers, and Rays have each had interest in both pitchers, with Atlanta, St. Louis and the Yankees considered “favorites” for Keuchel, as per Heyman, and such teams as the Mets, Diamondbacks, and Twins have also been mentioned as possible candidates to sign Keuchel. For Kimbrel, the Phillies and Cubs are known to have some level of interest in the closer. A signing could some relatively quickly, or Keuchel and Kimbrel may still take a bit more time to properly sort through the offers coming their way.
bigowe
Ok, good, so they could sign now without penalty to signing team? I saw the threshold listed as noon eastern tomorrow somewhere else…
Francys01
Come on Phillies sign Kimbrel
CrownRocks
LOL! You don’t want him at Clark & Addison LOL!
todd76
Lol. He’s going back to the Braves.
SocraticGadfly
C’mon Cards, sign Keuchel!
We DO want Mo (I do, at least) to sign Keuchel!!!!!!!! With Wacha moved to the pen, and Waino still generally godawful (love the more mindless fans celebrating his 7-walk performance Sunday), he is needed.
socraticgadfly.blogspot.com/2019/04/did-i-say-some…
MDog00
Kimbrel….LOL Only if you like watching the Walenda’s tightrope walk across the abyss of the Grand Canyon in a high wind…anyone that does any more then “rent” the guy for the summer is nuts….are you listening Arte Moreno???
NuckBobFutting
Twins get them both
MDog00
that’s a good guess…plus, only for the remainder of the season
Polymath
I’ve never been first to comment.
hiflew
Still haven’t been. Man, your day just started out horrible, huh?
nymetsking
LOL.
Also, I think it’s safe to say this isn’t X making a comeback under a new alias!
frankiegxiii
What happened to that guy/girl/person?
Steven Chinwood
Damn Bots
Yankeedynasty
He’s now Thanks
jleve618
I miss him. Whether people agreed or disagreed with him, he definetely got the conversation going.
Brittingham
I was th first post a couple days ago by accident. I occasionally make satirical comments that are nowhere near offensive language but are sometimes the opposite of PC. I regret being the first. People obsess over it. When I posted those same type of joking comments before, no one ever complained. Now my email is getting messages from 1 person repetitively explaining how they were offended and how it’s because I’m “stupid.” This was on a very minor post about an insignificant Pirates relief pitchers shoulder injury. Count your lucky stars and ignore any desire to be the first post.
jleve618
I thought it was funny…
Brittingham
I wish you would have said so! I’m getting slaughtered out there and I need some good realistic people to stick up for me once in awhile. Thanks for saying that btw. Next thing you know, they are gonna accuse me of having “micro-aggressions” or something.
bravesfan1970
I left a comment–don’t know that I really defended you, though. I said that I didn’t think the post was super-funny, but I thought it was mildly amusing or something similar to that, and that I didn’t think it was offensive at all.
HubcapDiamondStarHalo
It’s been nearly twenty minutes now!! When will they sign?!?!?
Stratocaster
Road teams are waiting until after 5 PM to sign them, so they don’t have to give either player meal money for today.
stymeedone
It wasn’t about the draft picks. Others managed to sign with the pick attached. it was how much they were asking for in length of contract and dollar amount, compared to what the market was willing to pay. If that hasn’t changed, they will continue to be unemployed.
MDog00
Well Mr. Kimbrel’s 9th inning antics was like watching the Walenda’s walk a tightrope across the Grand Canyon in a high wind. Dude has some game left, but you need a manager with a strong heart because he’ll raise your blood pressure for sure. Plus, I think Kimbrel has OVERESTIMATED his actual value and term of contract. Probably a pipedream of his agent
Brittingham
It’s been over 5 hours and 20 minutes now. Guess no one wants them
Ji-Man Choi
Marlins get Kimbrel and Orioles get Keuchel
RunDMC
Who pays the ransom?
Ji-Man Choi
Whoever rolls the bigger number between Trump and the Pope
Brittingham
Come on… Everyone knows the Pope has more money but all of us know that Trump will convince them that he has the most.
Zach725
If they would sign with bad teams, it would be a brilliant move. The teams essentially sign a guy to eat some innings and then flip them for prospects.
jbigz12
Minus the cost they have to pay them which would 100% have to be an overpay considering the fact that Keuchel Or Kimbrel have the freedom to choose where they play right now. They have 0 incentive to give that up and go to a team that wants to deal them in a month. It’s just not that easy
MDog00
yeah, but you gotta flip them by June 30…not very likely
bradthebluefish
Honestly, I don’t see why not. Sign them for high dollars then trade them mid season.
jadams8229
let’s go bring keuchel to texas
Ji-Man Choi
Jose Reyes once had the same amount of strikeouts and stolen bases in a season
FreeTheFreeman
78!
That’s actually impressive AF.
trident
Tony Qwynn had five seasons in which he had more stolen bases than strikeouts.
BlueSkyLA
Oh yeah, he was that outfielder from Planet Zzyzx.
ASapsFables
A player like the late Tony Gwynn might fall through the cracks in the modern era of “launch angle” and “exit velocity”, especially as a corner outfielder. I yearn for the days of more hitters like “Captain Video” and less two outcome players who sometimes homer, regularly whiff and can’t beat a shift if their life depended on it.
Here’s to the game’s future grunts like Nick Madrigal who just may remind older White Sox fans like myself of HOF’er Nellie Fox when all is said and done. Who knows, maybe a successful player of this ilk will be a new trend setter in a game that is becoming far less interesting and more predictable in the age of advanced analytics. Is it a coincidence that MLB attendance has decreased in recent years as sabermetrics has become king? I think not!
Padres458
I disagree, current analyst still love guys like him. Just at the top of the order.
agentp
DJ LeMahieu has been a great addition to the Yankees, they have a bunch of two outcome players and having DJL has been a breath of fresh air.
Mrivers
Gwynn was fun to watch. Any pitch, any location, any direction.
MDog00
Yeah, and every player trying to jack every pitch becomes a slave to the slider in the dirt….Bellingham got punched out a bunch when they set him up with the fastball under his hands and finished him off with the slider in the dirt when they played Houston. Then they tried to sneak an 0-2 fastball in the zone and he torched it….but, still today they don’t give that guy or the other Dodgers that S I T D…go figure
Mendoza Line 215
Aaron-I wonder whether Nellie Fox could talk and chew at the same time?!
He looked like a squirrel with that tobacco cheek.
The Go Go Sox.
jd396
In 108 PA Willians Astudillo has 2 walks and 3 strikeouts
Senioreditor
and what if they still remain unsigned……..
agentp
8 hours later….they should be off the board if all the pomp and circumstances were on point. Yet, they are not. Makes ya wonder, what’s going on with free agency.
scarfish
Guess it all boils down to what team is most qualified to make the best offer
ASapsFables
Forgive me for not sharing the opinion that a pitcher like Dallas Keuchel who sports a “grounder-heavy arsenal and lack of a power fastball might not age well” compared to a fly-ball heavy power arm of similar years. My concern with Keuchel has less to do with stuff than with his injury issues over the past couple of seasons. I compare Keuchel’s prowess to Mark Buehrle and the latter aged just fine until he wrapped up his career following the 2015 season as a still effective 36-year old starting pitcher.
jbigz12
Except you know that grounder heavy approach dipped to a more reasonable 53% last year and losing a tick off an already 88 mph fastball could certainly be an issue. I wouldn’t say Keuchel is any less prone to decline with his style of pitching.
jd396
Buehrle came up in 2000 and made some relief appearances and 3 starts. From 2001-2015 he made between 30-35 starts every season, and in only one of those years did he pitch less than 200 innings (a paltry 198 2/3 in his final season).
Brittingham
IMO he is a workhorse. There is a reasonable chance you could get 1,000 innings out of Keuchel the next 5 seasons (including this shortened season). The issue is the quality of innings pitched. I know he has been a ground ball beast but so was Mike Hampton. He is getting older and getting worse with his age. Analytics can occasionally get annoying in quantity, but in my opinion, the original predictive analytical stat is WHIP. Everyone loves ERA but that is often a product of the team you are on along with a combination of luck. Some of that comes into play with WHIP, but nowhere near as much. I haven’t checked the stats recently, but I believe Keuchel’s WHIP last year was over 1.30. That’s nothing near terrible, but the guys that I believe are good have WHIP’s about 25% lower thanks that. I think he is a #3 starter at best. On some contending teams (who are the most likely to sign him now) he would top out as a #4. Once you consider the time he has to take to get ready (regardless of what his commission hungry agent Scott Boras says) any team that signs him would still be paying for lost time. Even then, he likely won’t be in midseason form until the playoffs (if his signing team is lucky enough to get there). Even then, he would still be the same ol’ 1.30+ WHIP Dallas Keuchel.
Frank_Stallone1
Predictive analytics don’t use one stat, nor do opinions come in to play until after an actual analysis, of which you clearly have not performed.
its_happening
Blue Jays should consider signing Kuechel. They need arms for the short term. Would it help them? Best case scenario, yes. They sign him, he pitches well, deal him at the deadline. Worst case scenario is they have a pitcher to fill the rotation.
todd76
Why would the 21-38 Blue Jays waste money? They obviously are tanking.
jbigz12
Why would Dallas Keuchel sign with a team that wants to trade him?? That’s the part that everyone forgets when they throw this crap out there. Keuchel has probably 5-6 teams bidding on him right now. Why would you give up control of where you go by signing with a loser that wants to ship you out? You wouldn’t unless they paid a heavy premium. And at that point whatever prospect you get is likely not worth the amount of cash you have to eat to trade him. It’s just not that easy……..
its_happening
JBigz you have a habit of glossing over what others say just so you can shoot pellets.
“Should consider” is what I said. Yes, I also said they’d deal him. Or not. Fact is, Toronto is contemplating a Justin Smoak extension which is insane to me. With little to no pitching in the system, why not call his agent and see what it will take? Why not find out about an available pitcher, which is the area of concern for the Blue Jays. A much bigger concern that the shortstop position you tried to support.
jbigz12
If I say “should consider” I can just type up anything afterwards? That’s just a long nonsense reply. As far as a prospect goes the Jays should take the best talent available . My point about a SS was that it’s a strong defensive position and those guys typically have little issue sliding to other positions….Which unlike attempting to sign Keuchel on a 1 year deal makes some sense for a rebuilding club.
jbigz12
And player as I said. Keuchel is part of this equation and it’s not very rational to think he would give up the “free” part about his free agency to sign with Toronto to then be traded to any destination unless he was compensated fairly significantly for it. Which Id say is certainly a fair point….
its_happening
Yes they are tanking. If the Jays are contemplating a Justin Smoak extension, which I am against, then a Kuechel sighting isn’t out of the question. I’m also going on the premise that not a single team would be dumb enough to give Kuechel anything more than a 1 year deal. If they are they can have.
jbigz12
That was a Ken Rosenthal piece that didn’t come from the Jays FO. It was an opinion piece from Rosenthal with nothing from any Toronto executive. I have no idea if they’re considering that move or not but Rosenthal seems to be doing nothing but speculating due to a tepid market for 1B only sluggers.
MDog00
ah, the deadline has only one option at the end of July….that isn’t enough time to determine if this guy is good to go….whoever picks him up will in all likelihood be a summer rental
reflect
Happy Freedom Day, Everyone
dixoncayne
So now they can sign but couldn’t they have been negotiating this whole time?
spinach
“Dallas Keuchel and Craig Kimbrel have been one of their chief obstacles to a new contract fall by the wayside.”
It must have been something for them to bee such a sight.
infractor
Still seems odd that the compensation just arbitrarily gets lifted on draft day. I have no sympathy for the Sox or Astros but still, whichever teams ‘lose’ the players that were extended a QO aren’t less impacted just because it’s now draft day.
floridaman
Its not really that arbitrary considering how the compensation system works, a potential signing of these guys before 6/3 would have affected the draft order by adding picks to the compensatory round. BOS/HOU kinda need to know at some point before the draft starts whether they will be receiving the extra pick or not, it would affect their draft strategy, and possibly other teams draft strategies as well.
thegreatcerealfamine
Yankees steer clear. The Yankees need a true #1 to get them over the hump. There’s one guy that can accomplish that and he goes by the name of..Max Scherzer.
todd76
It would cost a ton to get Scherzer.
Steven Chinwood
Big deal!
MDog00
maybe the’ll be asleep at the wheel and they can unload Stanton….that contract is going to be a millstone around the teams neck….hope that contract came with an insurance police attached, otherwise they are going to be paying for 30 homeruns and 200+ strikeouts every year
jbigz12
The only problem with Scherzer is that if the Stros or Dodgers want him the Yankees can’t compete with their offer.
Bocephus
I guess it would be what the Yanks are willing to give up from prospects, and players on the big club. Frazier has no real value, Andujar very little, so that exhausts that. How about Florial, German, Estrada, and than Frazier or Andujar?
jbigz12
I mean the Yankees could come up with a suitable package but it’ll involve major leaguers like German and Frazier. Though the Nats have a full outfield so I don’t know what their interest in Frazier would even be unless Eaton is moved. The farm system itself just doesn’t have enough if a team like the Stros or Dodgers get in.
MDog00
Frazier can’t catch a ball in the outfield and German is there potential ACE going forward…
Danthemilwfan
Kimbrel to the brewers! We don’t need him but would allow Hader to move back to the after the 5th guy who can go 2 or 3 innings. He’s a fine closer but he’s got multiple inning dominating stuff. A starter goes 5, Jeffress takes the 6th+Hader takes what’s left of the 7th and 8th and kimbrel closes it down. That’s scary. If Nelson is back we don’t need a starter.
twentyforty
Stop wishing on Nelson….he’s never going to be what he was. And that Brewers bullpen isn’t close to as good as you suggest…starting with Hader.
brewcrew08
TwentyForty you do realize Hader has been better so far this year compared to last right? He’s got a 2.45 ERA, 0.72 WHIP and a crazy 57/8 K/BB ratio in only 29.1 innings. I didn’t know a 17.5 K/9 rate is “overrated “.
teufelshunde4
When a guy misses close to two season with shoulder injury, it’s best to not count on him to equal previous production. In last 30 years I can only recall two guys who suffered major shoulder injuries and came back equal or better, Shilling and Carpenter.
MDog00
Kimbrel “closing” anything out is risky. If your his manager you better have your valium close for that 9th inning. This guy’s last name should be changed to Walenda, because watching him do his tightrope walk in the 9th is frightening
Foreveryankees
Dallas could be worth a one year deal with the Yankees? As for Kimberly he isn’t worth his sweat!
AstrosWS20
This system needs to be overhauled. Either make it to where the team gets the following year’s draft pick compensation or take draft picks out of the equation all together. I say take it out all together. This process hurts players and competitive teams both. Players don’t get the offers they deserve and aggressive teams balk at making the signing because they’ll lose a pick. Reward teams for signing big free agents, don’t penalize them by taking away draft picks.
I realize that this is not beneficial for small market teams, but dropping this system is better than standing pat.
jakec77
You’d have thought they’d both be ready to sign at midnight. It’s not like there was any kind of prohibition on negotiating, and from the club’s side they arent sorting through a ton of free agent options at this point. These deals should have been reached a week ago and only formalized today, with each pitcher expected to be at whatever minor league facility they will be reporting to no later than Wednesday.
dixoncayne
What you say makes a lot of sense. if they don’t sign today, there must be more to this story.
jakec77
I’d say it’s a sign that they are still asking for more than the market supports.
And if I was looking at them the fact they are seemingly completely dismissing the idea of a one year pillow contract so that they can re-enter the market next offseason would give me pause- if they arent willing to bet on themselves…
One year offer, significant bonus structure.
Maybe a second year at 15 million-20 million for next year that either side can buy out of to protect the player in the event of injury, the club in the event of ineffectiveness (not sure that structure is legal).
Prospectnvstr
It’s called CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS. There’s multiple teams seeking their services. Also to the question earlier: NO, they couldn’t have been negotiating earlier, it’s called tampering and is strictly against the CBA.
mattm-13
This is incorrect. Both are free agents and can be negotiated with at any point when they are free agents. They are not contractually tied to another organization so not tampering.
jakec77
Tampering? They are free agents, and have been since last November, every team has been free to speak with them for 8 months. And has been, it hasn’t been a secret that teams have been in contact.
The longer they are unsigned (I mean in terms of days, not hours) the more it is an indication that the draft pick was only part of the problem, and the bigger issue was unrealistic expectations on the part of the player and Boras.
MDog00
They both, along with the greedy agents, just overestimated their true value and how much they are perceived to have left in the tank…no long term contracts for these two
Mendoza Line 215
The heck with the small market teams.They only serve as fodder anyways.
Kevin28786
I don’t know about not having a ton of offers. Since we’re into the season and teams have identified needs, I’d say they have offers. Couple that with the QO albatross going away, and I’d have to say they’re both in high demand right about now.
agentp
Why are they still available as of 8am, c’mon GMs get your checkbooks out.
evilempire28
Kimbrel to the Phillies
Keuchel to the Yankees
Bocephus
Yankee don’t need Keuchel
evilempire28
Sabathia is injury prone and German is going to hit his innings limit at some point. Can never have enough pitching.
rocky7
Yes, they actually do need Dallas and, Dallas will cost nothing but Hal’s millions to sign….no weakening of the Yankees farm system so you go into the offseason with assets to trade for a top of the rotation starter (if needed) once this season works itself out
Mendoza Line 215
I agree that Keuchel will help the Yankees this year.
Next year they will sign Cole.
todd76
You might be right on Kuechel, but Kimbrel is going to the Braves.
metnoxious
This has to be addressed by MLB. It’s ridiculous that players sit until draft pick loss is no longer an issue. Why do teams lose a draft pick because they go into the open market and sign a player? Competitive balance? Baseball is a socialist endeavor. If you suck you get free money from teams that don’t suck. You get more money allowances to sign your draft picks. You are allowed to spend more money on international prospects. Your luxury tax revenue you receive from other teams can be used for Hawaiian vacations. If you do sign a type “A” free agent you don’t lose your first round pick if you suck and have one if the first 10 selections. Small market teams have no excuses now. They get incredible advantages. If they really wanted to be fair Manfred would have the power to force the sale of MLB clubs that really have no clue. Example: big league team in NYC that has clueless owners who hire an agent as their GM and they suck.
jakec77
Manfred does have that power. Pretty tough to use on an ownership group of a team that was in the WS as recently as 4 years ago and in the playoffs as recently as 3 years ago and that has only lost as many as 90 games only once in past 10 years (Think how many teams can’t say that.) Especially in an era where three teams lost 100+ games last year, with another handful only a couple of games better.
mike156
Both have real value intrinsically, but may still be pricing themselves too high for most of their potential suitors. Draft pick or not, I suspect many teams don’t want to pay top dollar even on a one-year when these two might not really be game-ready for at least a couple of weeks. I know MLBTR has to cite Heyman, but he’s not the best source when it comes to Boras-repped players. Hard to believe that Keuchel is ready to go, say, seven innings by next week if he’s signed today.n
bravesfan
Look, be nice for the braves to get both. But kimbrel is the one that is an absolutely must! Only fan base in all of baseball at had fans chanting “we want kimbrel” since day one. STOP BEING CHEAP BRAVES!!!
MDog00
They were really saying…”bring your valium” because dude is a tightrope walk in the 9th inning now
KnicksFanCavsFan
Honestly, I thought it was always more about their ridiculous asking price, mostly years, and less about draft pick compensation. Will be interesting to see what they eventually sign for. if its a fraction of their asking price then what was the point of holding out?
sandman12
Both pitchers want more money than they’ve ever made … now that they don’t pitch nearly as well as they used to …. good luck.
mattm-13
This is incorrect. Both are free agents and can be negotiated with at any point when they are free agents. They are not contractually tied to another organization so not tampering.
butch779988
Keuchel is overrated. He’s a #3 at best probably a #4. I wouldn’t touch him.