The Yankees’ pitching staff turned in its latest dud Friday, continuing what has amounted to a week-long series of hideous performances. Dating back to last Sunday’s loss to Colorado, New York has surrendered 64 runs in six games – including a combined 29 in a pair of shellackings in Boston over the past two nights – en route to four defeats.
As you’d expect, the Yankees’ rotation has been a key culprit in its recent run-stopping woes. Starter James Paxton struggled again Friday, yielding seven earned runs on four innings, and likely hasn’t met the Yankees’ expectations this season after coming over from the Mariners in a significant trade last winter. Likewise, the Yankees haven’t gotten enough from a group of Masahiro Tanaka, Domingo German, C.C. Sabathia and J.A. Happ.
Despite an AL-best 66-37 record, the Yankees are very much in the market for rotation help leading up to the July 31 trade deadline. Blue Jays hurler Marcus Stroman has been among the many starters on the Yankees’ radar, though Joel Sherman of the New York Post reported Thursday the Yankees aren’t the leading candidates to acquire him. Similarly, Andy Martino of SNY.tv tweets the Yankees haven’t been the most aggressive team after Stroman. Nevertheless, the two sides are still “in contact” in regards to the right-hander, Jon Morosi of MLB.com tweets.
The rebuilding, division-rival Blue Jays have predictably aimed high – albeit to a wholly unrealistic extent – in their quest to seek the best possible return for Stroman. During their talks with the Yankees, the Jays have requested middle infielder Gleyber Torres, Bryan Hoch of MLB.com reports. They’ve also asked for 20-year-old righty Deivi Garcia, the Yankees’ No. 1-ranked prospect.
Surrendering Torres is a nonstarter for the Yankees, who have seen him blossom from high-end prospect to high-end major leaguer since they acquired him from the Cubs in a July 2016 blockbuster. Torres was a Rookie of the Year candidate in 2018 who has gotten even better this season, just his age-22 campaign, having slashed .294/.360/.511 (127 wRC+) with 20 home runs and 2.6 fWAR in 398 plate appearances. As someone who’s not even on track to become eligible for arbitration until after 2020, the Yankees are in position to reap the benefits of Torres’ presence for a long time.
The same could be true in regards to Garcia, though the Yankees have at least reportedly shown a willingness to trade him for Mets righty Noah Syndergaard. However, there’s seemingly less of a chance of the Yankees giving up Garcia for Stroman, in part because he comes with one fewer year of control than Syndergaard. (Speculatively, perhaps the Yankees would be more amenable to sending Garcia to Toronto as part of a package for both Stroman and closer Ken Giles, whom they’ve also eyed.)
Stroman’s on a more-than-fair $7.4MM salary this season and under wraps through next year, so it’s reasonable for Toronto to expect a sizable return for him. It also helps that Stroman’s having a terrific season – better than Syndergaard’s – having put up a 2.96 ERA/3.52 FIP with 7.15 K/9, 2.5 BB/9 and a 56.3 percent groundball rate in 124 2/3 innings. That doesn’t make Stroman worth close to as much as Torres, though, and it may not even be enough for the Yankees to hand over Garcia for him.
Lol Jays making me laugh
We just need to fast forward to noon next Wednesday so these unrealistic stupid trade demands get more reasonable and stuff starts happening. Torres for Stroman? Give me a break.
Wait until the market sets. Thor and Stroman are only worth what another will pay. If a GM is stupid enough to pay for a number when you getting at best a number three, so be it. Miller and Chapman brought back projected studs because as relievers they were likely to affect so many more games. The game has since shifted to relievers even more so.
Well you dont give up something good wont get stroman. Yankees wont get thor they dont have enough.
They have plenty without Torres…
The Yankees have more than enough to trade for Stroman or Thor… or pretty much any other pitcher out there. The question is, what will the acquisition cost be, and will the Yankees be willing to meet said cost.
After the thumping the Red Sox gave them the last couple of days they better do something.
Yes they better smarten up and realize the Sox are stealing signs and no wtf is coming. Other then that I wouldn’t deal Garcia or Frazier or Florial for Stroman who is the next Sonny Gray.
So the Red Sox are stealing signs…how do you explain the 4 bad starts before that? They have been blasted for 64 runs over this 6 game stretch! I’m pretty sure that has nothing to do with 1 team stealing signs.
The Twins were stealing signs…
Maybe slow children at play signs..
Your post is Bush League Billy.
Sonny gray was an all star this year lol and is having a good season … the Yankees pitching coaches clearly needs to be re-evaluated
You’re so wrong about Stroman, he would absolutely thrive in New York he loves the pressure!Gray is no where near what Stroman is and he is worth in the very least Garcia and more… imo
Toronto maybe aiming for a larger trade if they start with Torres.
Garcia and Torres for Stroman, Giles and top prospect Bo Bichette?
Perhaps a 3rd player to the Jays?
Seriously what is the incentive for the Jays to include Bichette lol it makes less sense than a panhandler
As cheap and dumpster diving Cashman has been recently I think the best pitcher the Yankees can expect to get is a Minor or Leake type pitcher. Not enough.
Got to ask high here…They already got a can of nothing for Happ lol
Happ has been a can of nothing for the Yankees and I assume he costs a lot more than Drury and McKinney.
yanks trade with the Blue Jays was for a half season of happ last year, and he gave them more than their money’s worth.. Unfortunately, the Yanks decided to resign him during the off season.
Yanks had confidence in Happ like Boston did with Eovaldi and Pearce.
Damn, the NYY fleeced the Cubs when they got Torres, but I guess for the WS win with Chapman it was worth it, they would tell everyone. Name me one time the Evil Empire did a trade that benefited both teams? I give Cashman credit, he’s a snake that wins.
I would suggest the Chapman trade was a win-win for both teams. Anytime a team can break a 100 year Championship drought it is worth it. That is exactly what the Cubs did! They gave their fans a WS banner…you cant put a price on that!
Cubs won a world series… yankees got an infielder. I guess it all depends on what your goals are… world championships or good infielders.
I’m no expert, but I’m going to assume the Yankees goal in acquiring that good infielder was to help win a championship. Idk though
Both Gray trades? He may have actually lost both in hindsight?
Agreed on both , braves25 and JD’. Still overall Cashman has done a great job. Even big budget teams have a balancing act to perform. Cashman will show his true value in a couple of years when BIG money will have to be paid to younger players. Yes some money will fall off the books but they also will have to spend big on frontline starters. Their bullpen risks being totally shot by October. As a Sox fan, I want EVERY competing team to be healthy so the playoffs could be fun. Let the best team win. I just hope the baseball is back to “normal” next year because this year has been horrible to watch. True fans don’t need gimmicks and the delays caused by constant pitching changes continues to get worse.
Luke voit trade
Not void,but I would trade Garcia and Stanton for Stroman and ken Giles
Stanton has a no trade clause and why would Jays trade for him?
Throw it out there, you never know
I don’t think were/are in position to make a splash. Otherwise, they would’ve tried to sign Harper or Machado during the offseason.
Turns force trade on*
Teams seen trying to benefit both teams in a trade. That would be asinine. They’re trying to benefit themselves only. Every single team.
Arizona did well in the Gregorius trade.
Yeah, Cashman is forcing those GM’s to make those trades. Idiot.
The rich keep getting richer
literally nothing has happened
That killed me
There’s no harm in asking. Jays can keep him if that’s what they want though.
Price will come down the closer it gets to the deadline if no one ponies up. I don’t see the Jays being ready to compete next year and the return will in my view be highest to trade him by a Wednesday.
If a trade for a starter doesn’t seem to be in the cards, then I suspect Cashman is going to look for the best relievers he can get his hands on. He won’t pay through the nose for someone, even when the team is going through a bad stint.
“Bad stint” This has been historically bad.
@Bocephus
I did give you a thumbs up. However yes it has been a historically bad stretch but it has only been a 6 game stretch. These 5 starters have to right the ship at some point don’t they? They can’t be this bad for too much longer? Or can they?
Tanaka always has a 2-4 game stretch that you think his arm has completely fallen off. He then gets a stint of the injured list and returns dominate again. It just happens to be lining up with all their starters struggling this time.
As a Yankees fan, I don’t trust Ancient Larry to be able to fix anything, the Daily News today quoted him as saying he has no idea what’s actually wrong with Tanaka – whether he’s tipping pitches, has a mechanical issue or whether it’s something with the seams on the baseballs this year.
That’s not really screaming confidence when a pitching coach has no idea how to fix his pitchers, and even if these five do turn it around, our lead over Boston and Tampa could be long gone by then….
Yankees fans make me laugh how they keep thinking they can get quality, controlled players for scraps. If you want a pitcher like Stroman or Syndergaard you’re gonna have to actually give up something to get them lol. Not suggesting they trade Torres obviously that’s not going to happen, but if I’m the Blue Jays, Stroman talks start with Garcia +. Regardless who they get, this last week has shown how badly the Yanks need to get a starter before the break if they want to go deep in the postseason.
I agree with you that you have go give to get, but if I’m giving up garcia i would prefer bauer to stroman.
@Ralphie, Absolutely agree on Bauer
For the Jays to again trade within the division, there should be an overpayment but Stroman while having a great season, is not a proven number one. Similarly with Thor, the Yanks will have to overpay for the Mets to make a deal. Thus, I don’t see either going to the Bronx.
Funny you say that because it seems non Yankee fans argue that Torres must go in any trade for a pitcher, while the Yankees fans have been thinking of packages that include Garcia and Florial, etc
As a Yankee fan who doesn’t believe Garcia will be a SP in the big leagues I have no problem with them trading him if it means getting Stroman
But would you have a problem with trading Garcia if you could possibly get Syndergaard or Bauer instead of Stroman?
Absolutely, Bauer would be my top choice of any SP but with the Indians looking like a playoff team again I don’t think he gets traded till the offseason. I’m be a little more weary of trading Garcia for Syndergaard but I doubt the Mets would even consider trading him to the Yankees
those guys are historically better than stroman just by virtue of consistency. Thor is having a very down year by his standards and its not as bad as stroman was last year. And lets be honest, pitching for the mets has to be demoralizing given its defense and pen, no?
in the end they need all the help they can get, as cash screwed the pooch again this off season with the pitching.
even, you beg have to see the folly now of happless and CC plus the overrated hype of Pax, and the nonchalant view of seve’s demise last year.
Stroman is criminally underrated on here sometimes. Year to year he has been more consistent and better than Bauer in a tougher division. Last year his defence really let him down which can happen to a contact pitcher. It’s cuz his bad season was last year people seem to think he’s not that good, he has like 3 seasons better than Bauer’s second best season and his fip last year was significantly better than his era
Syndergaard has pitched 1 full season because of injuries so he’s a huge injury risk and Bauer likely isn’t available anymore which I’ve already said. The Yankees need to go after the best available SP and right now that looks like Stroman. Also Paxton is isn’t overrated. He was always good in Seattle and was pitching very well at the beginning of this year too. After his injury though he’s had mechanical issues and that senile old man the Yankees call their “pitching coach” has done nothing to help him correct his problems
Clickbait. He’s not going anywhere because Shatkins will sit on that trade forever.
Thank you for your input
Ivan Nova might be available, for the right price of course.
Harvey’s available. He can be Paxton’s opener.
The commenters on MLBTR will have you believe the yanks need to deal Torres in order to get Nova
Stroman is the Bagel Boss guy. All bark, no bite.
His stats this year disagree with you, but you know, maybe facts aren’t your strong suit.
Lol that bagel guy was laid out for barking too loud. Hope his 15 minutes are up
I don’t think a deivi Garcia ask is crazy, in fact I think in some ways a 1 for 1 swap would make sense for both teams. Obviously torres no shot it happens, but i just don’t see the appeal of a florial or gil led package for a good starter (even if he’s clearly not as good as this years ERA).Garcia is a nice prospect but has flaws and risks, he’s had conistently high walk rates and I think homers could be a significant issue for him.
I do think he will be a good starter but it could take time, keep in mind also that the Astros/Twins kill lefties so the yankees really can’t have both happ/paxton starting playoff games against them
No way would I trade stroman and Giles into the division and have to face him 6 times a season! Stroman has a big mouth and I doubt he’ll fit in well with the Yankees. He’s best going to Minnesota for Alex Kirilloff and a couple young arms or to Milwaukee but they don’t seem to have any stud corner outfielders that can both hit and play above average defense (except maybe Corey Ray?). However if the Yankees want another one of Toronto’s best guys within the division I’d be asking for Garcia/Torres for sure. If Torres is what Assclown Atkins is asking for then that would mean biggio will be the starting RF next season and beyond. With either Torres playing SS with Bo Bichette playing 2b? Or vice versa. They can talk. But trades inside the division aren’t usually a good idea. If Torres/Garcia are in fact available then the office is open for business for sure!
I don’t think the Mets or Jay’s will trade with the Yankees unless they get well above market value. Yankee fans can stop dreaming about Bauer as long as Clevlends winning games and in playoff contention, he’s not going anywhere.
Playoff contention? They’re actually leading the WC race. Wish they’d get rid of the second WC. I realize it’s not a consideration but one game? Home field should at least be decided by head to head record as the divisions will always be unbalanced. Is Cleveland really played better ball than Oakland, Tampa or Boston so far or is it simply a product of playing better against the bottom feeders of your division when compared to the others?
Good points Dewey.
On Sunday (tomorrow), the Indians will have completed a stretch where they played 33 of 40 games against teams that were either in last place, or were on a pace to lose 100 games. Thus far, they have posted a 25-6 record against those teams. The only two series the Tribe played against respectable competition were a four game series against the Rangers (which they split) and a three game series against the Twins (which they lost two of three). I’m not sold on the Indians at all. The simply don’t have enough offense and they’ve been facing a lot of AAA pitching for 6 weeks. I don’t think Kipnis or Ramirez are back by any means. Also check the Twins last 42 games, starting around August 19. Save for 6 games with Cleveland and three games with Boston, it’s a breeze, and I think they play the Tigers 3 or their last 6 series to close the year.
Torres, Garcia and another near mlb young arm for stro and Giles…. toss in a bad contract for a year or so and why not. Gotta pay to play… cashman finding out that not every team is the Mariners.
Lol
Or the marlins
Jay, you forgot the Marlins! Jeter kisses Cashman tush giving everything to him n getting zero bk. Personally I think there’s more to their HR hitters on n off the IL, than we know about.
Good God give it a rest already. Any GM in their right might would make that move in a heartbeat to dump that albatross salary. Especially with a player with his injury history.
Why not just ask for Judge? Torres is an all star everyday player who isn’t going anywhere in a trade and to even ask is laughable…like the Jays organization
Jays have gone deeper than the Yankees in the playoffs the past decade or so partner
“Jays have gone deeper than the Yankees in the playoffs the past decade or so partner” What alien database are you getting these facts from? The answer of course is, no they haven’t . You people can’t just make this stuff up, because you wish it to be true. wtf
“What alien database are you getting these facts from?
The one that said the New York Yankees have fallen short of any and all expectations this decade and fans are still in-denial. You would be one of them.
His post said nothing about expectations or denials bro. You might want to learn to read before replying. Oh by the way I never said anything about my expectations, so maybe try harder before trolling.
Well said Famine.
How many ALCS the Yankees been a part of this decade?
@Supersinker, the Yankees have been been to the ALCS twice 2012, and 2017 the past decade. If you want to go “the last decade or so” count the World Series win in 2009. Don’t even try to compare the Blue Jays success to the Yankees success in recent history, because it’s an empty argument.
The Jays have been a part of two as well! The Jays and the Yankees have won the same amount of championships from 2010 and been to the ALCS the same amount of times! Man the Yankees suck!
Put down the pipe Sandy. Better yet share with the rest of the class. You crazy as hell however brugh.
Take the L guy because you’re making a fool out of all Blue Jays fans.
Lol huge wins there with Paxton and Encarnacion trades…
Ok let’s toss in Judge also! The trade ideas on here are beyond ridiculous.
Now you know how non-yankee fans feel when you guys offer Frazier and Garcia for major leaguers.
Lol! Put down the pipe, buddy.
Lmfao.. you actually bringing up scenarios for if the Blue Jays get Torres is cute.
Are there actually people out there who think the Yankees will actually trade Gleyber Torres for any of these pitchers mentioned?
Yes, most non Yankee fans on this site will have you believe that
The Yankees better do something because they will not be going to the World Series with that rotation.
Garcia and Bird for Stroman and Giles
Congrats you’ve just the bar at it’s lowest.
*set the bar*
I’m actually buying that García will be a successful major league pitcher. I know a lot of people knock him because he’s only 5’9. But I think he will end up being better than the majority of pitchers on the market over the next couple of years. He’s only 20 and he’s already progressed to AAA. I could see him getting a spot start or some work from the bullpen this September once the rosters expand. If he goes to the pen he would be a really great asset to shorten some games. Next year hopefully he can take CC’s spot that will open up when he retires. The starting pitching situation is a complete mess right now but reinforcements are on the way. Montgomery, Loaisiga, and Severino are all due back in the next 6 weeks as is Betances. They could have games in the playoffs with the long rest between games where they don’t even use a starter for more than 2-3 innings. Bird is completely expendable to the yankees but it could be worth it for a team like Toronto to take a lottery ticket on him if he can ever get his injury issues behind him I think he could put together a fairly productive career. But García for Stroman and Giles would make sense for both sides. But if I’m the Yankees I would rather stay pat than do anything to seriously jeopardize the future.
Tim that’s a brutal trade for the Jays. You aren’t getting a 3+ win starter and a top-15 reliever in the sport for multiple seasons for one 5’9 guy people aren’t even confident will start games lol
If you are buying Garcia will be a star then please stop trying to trade him. Keep him and enjoy your star.
Complete joke of a trade idea. Keep Garcia lol
But he’s throwing in Bird too. That ought to help tip the scales. I mean Bird has proven so durable, and don’t forget that .324 slugging percentage he has, I mean it’s almost as high as Zach Greinke”s.
Timnellis let me guess big Yankee fan. The Blue Jays laugh at that trade proposal for Stroman by himself let alone throwing in Giles. Let’s get real the Yankees aren’t the only team looking to upgrade there starting pitching. Other teams could easily outbid if they want Stroman bad enough. The other thing is it looks like he might be the only impact starter moved there could be a bidding war for him.
“During their talks with the Yankees, the Jays have requested middle infielder Gleyber Torres, Bryan Hoch of MLB.com reports.”
Someone has been playing too much MLB The Show with trade rejections turned to ‘off’.
The Blue Jays asking for Torres reminds me of the Marlins asking for Acuna when the Braves were interested in Realmuto; just not going to happen. The Marlins then asked for Albies; still not going to happen even though that is a step down.
Competing teams generally don’t give up contributing team members, let alone ones as significant as Torres. I understand Stroman is going to be expensive but the first ask is never the REAL ask.
no contender is trading someone off their 25 man roster.
just not happening
I could argue that! Atlanta could trade Inciarte or Joyce..although it is less likely since Markakis is likely headed to the IL
The Giants could trade Watson or Dyson
A contender could trade with another contender to potentially add a need.
I’ve been thinking Jarod Dyson would be a good fit in Atlanta.
Isn’t Inciarte basically a better, younger version of Dyson
Historically? Yeah. This year? No. Dyson would be more useful than Inciarte today.
Both Markakis and Swanson were said to likely be placed on IL today with Culberson/Camargo covering shortstop and Adam Duvall taking Nick’s spot.
Yanks starters have been terrible, maybe worse then that. Assuming Sevy and Bestances are back soon, they may want to go with an opener more often since each starter digs a hole in the first inning. Besides yanks are desperate, and teams with decent starters to trade will take advantage of their desperation. As of right now yanks won’t make it out of the AL in post season,
I wouldn’t trade Stroman to the Yanks if Im The Jays .. having him playing against you, probably dominating you, and then spouting off in the media against management, it would have to be a huge haul, or else, I’m just not going there.
I agree. In division trades you should ask for a premium for controllable players.
Lots of people saying yanks wouldn’t include Garcia. I think Jays should insist on it.
Garcia+ Loasiga+lower level prospect. If the Yankees won’t do that…. then move on to other offers. I’m sure there is enough decent offers to choose from.
Two relievers (one already with TJ) for two playoff runs with Stroman eh
Don’t get the feel MadBum or Greinke will be made available. Boyd is not worth the asking price & Thor I believe is
1. Overrated
2. Probably not worth the asking price for a division rival
So the best option available is Stroman
The Jays also have Giles who fills a need for the Braves at closer and like Stroman comes with control over next year.
Yankees
Twins
Dodgers
Astros
Phillies
Brewers
Padres
Nats
These teams could use either/or both of these guys to fill needs.
With that being said the demand is high for these guys so they will cost a pretty return.
I don’t see the Yanks landing Stroman at all, with the Twins and Astros seeming like better fits as far as both prospects and the division goes. Yanks do have more to lose though, with their starters beginning to implode and two months left to play.
the issue is cash the genius has a plan and won’t pay the price the other teams will.
which is why the plan is to try and out-slug everyone, use the bullpen 6 innings a game, and ensure that the rotation has 2 #3 starters, 1 #4 starter and 2 #5 starters. because ya know that wins world series and playoff games….
I’d say more like 2 #6’s.
was giving cash the benefit of the doubt. so may of his supporters here don’t need to wake up upset that the delicate genius has been criticized.
Can you believe we have 2 more years of Happless?????
You only have him for another year. If Cashman is worth his salt as a GM he won’t let that option vest.
his vesting option is 165 innings or makes 27 starts in 2020. lets see. all it will take next year is one injury to the SP and happless gets the ball every 5th day.
however, i will pray hard to every g-d i know to avoid it.
German, Tanaka, Paxton, Severino, and Monty should all be options before you consider any FA signings (G. Cole) or a deadline deal for a controllable starter. If Cash is worth his salt he won’t give Happ 165 innings.
Someone in Toronto is overindulging on the discounted Canadian drugs! There isn’t a player on the Blue Jays roster I would consider trading Gleyber for with the exception of Vlad Jr
I wouldn’t even do that trade. Torres is a hell of a lot more valuable and talented defensively.
I wouldn’t do that trade either. Just making the point that there is not much to offer up North for the Torres ask!
This is rather ambitious on the Blue Jays part. Minnesota, Houston and Atlanta looks at this rumor and call another team. The Blue Jays can do a deal with New York without Florial, Frazier, Loaisiga or Schmidt.
Torres is a big ask.
Garcia, Abreu and Yajure for Stroman and Phelps.
Jays can and will do better than that
Have you seen the Blue Jays take part in trades lately? Do not underestimate the potential for disaster over the new few days or so.
Grichuk trade was nice, I like Thornton, and Teoscar. They haven’t all been wins but they’ve had their fair share of hits (and misses).
Grichuk trade was negated by the awful extension. Thornton is a #5/long reliever (for now) and Teoscar isn’t very good. I think you validated my point.
Torres for Stroman alone is more then fair, good starting pitching is super hard to find a bat you can find down at the local bodega , but throwing in that lil side piece an untested , unready maybe mlb worthy Garcia is the price you gotta pay if ya wanna play……but regardless of Stroman Yankees are imploding for some reason and they have more issues then just another starter.
Prisoner of the moment much?
Big brother Boston beating up on little brother New York. All seemed fine days ago when the Yankees beat the Twins. The same Red Sox who beat the Yanks last October in the ALDS. The reigning, defending World Champs who beat the defending champion Astros last year who beat the Yankees to reach the Series a year before.
Jay6ix might have a point here.
Even if the Jays get Gleyber Torres and Garcia they still won’t see the playoffs for years…..except on tv.
Before Sox fans get a hard on about being the big brother they ought to make sure they even get themselves in the postseason. Don’t shoot your load after beating the Yanks twice in row. Your bullpen is still a clown show when the offense doesn’t give you 10 runs.
Stop it….Torres isnt gong anywhere, especially not for an average SP
The Yankees collect average SP..
The Astros with Tucker, Whitley, Baukauskus, Abreu and others and the Twins with Kirrillof, and a bevy of pitchers are better fits. So are the Rays and Braves. The Yankees are probably 6th or 7th on the list of prospect talent that the Jays want.
That being said, a blockbuster with the Yankees that had Stroman, Giles, Bichette, and Sogard going to the Yankees for Torres, Garcia, Loasaiga, Abreu, and another piece would be interesting for both teams. Wonder who hangs up first?
Lol stop
Bichette trade regardless of who they got back would have jays fans boycott
Just makes sub zero amounts of sense to trade Bichette
I doubt the Yankees and Jays have a match on this trade.
St Louis Cardinals are kicking hard for Stroman. If anything, Stroman ends up with the Cardinals.
Do you think the Cardinals have enough to make a serious offer?
Dylan Carlson probably gets you 70% of the way there.
Hopefully he goes to Atlanta or Minnesota.
Dylan Carlson would be great. Aren’t the Blue Jays in the business of acquiring young pitchers? Let’s say you are correct and the Jays obtain Carlson and maybe 2 arms. Shouldn’t they trade an OF?
In 2020 the Blue Jays will have, as of now, Gurriel, Hernandez, Grichuk and McKinney on rotation plus backups Biggio and Drury. What do you do with Alford? Do you have Jonathan Davis be the 26th man because he plays well in CF? Carlson should probably reach the big leagues a year from now, maybe sooner.
Jays still have to move two bullpen arms, Galvis, Sogard and Smoak. Packaging and OF with one of them might be the way to go. Give Alford, Davis or even Brito (I can’t believe I just said that) a shot to play next year. Not a guarantee, a shot.
None of Hernandez/McKinney/Davis/Alford have demonstrated they’re big league regulars.
Their presence in the org shouldn’t preclude the Jays from trading for really good outfielders.
Carlson probably goes to AAA next year so there’s a few months at least to see who can play at the big league level.
Wait…you cited Teoscar as a good trade and now he’s not an MLB regular? That’s interesting.
I agree with your take on those OFs. The team still has a big problem on the mound. I also agree about getting Carlson. Stroman is the key to future SP too.
Cards have enough to make a deal for Stroman.
Are far as pitcing is concerned, In AAA Helsey and Woodford are good[but not elite] starting prospects…In A ball, Pallante is a decent pitching lottery ticket.
This route means the Blue Jays will have to consider dealing current future prospects for an established young pitcher.
I’m going off topic for a bit, and state some facts. STUFF has bothered me to NO end since Boone took over.
WHY THE F DOES HE LEAVE IN ANY STARTING PITCHER THAT GIVES UP 7,8 9, R U N S IN THE 1st 2nd OR 3RD INNINGS. LAST YEAR HE DID IT ALSO. Why does he rest the hottest players each day, why does he leave in Chapman who blows his saves. That just blew me away….
This makes me nuts along with never ever having anyone warming up..
Please don’t tell me I shouldn’t complain because
they are in first place.
Yankees are savages, lol and the emotions they have when they play, their grit, their chemistry, power and excellence of their hitting abilities. ARE WHY THEY ARE IN FIRST PLACE.
Has Rothschild ever helped anyone, why does Boone make the same mistakes over and over again?
If they want win the WS, Boone and Rothschild have to go, they are holding the Yankees back, and Cashman needs to break the bank, same crap every year with pitching.
Thanks for letting me vent.
Of course we all have different opinions, which is what makes the word go round.
Enjoy the games!
the pen is wasted….. when you go over a week with you SP never making it out of the 4th…
I don’t know what the stats are but i think Yankee SP IP is among the lowest in the league. Cash backers say its because we have a great pen. People with a brain know its b/c the SP reeks that cash spends a national GDP on the pen. which ultimately breaks down
vent away-
Yankee’s have zero leverage. The price should be as high as it is, if they don’t want to pay let em go into the playoffs with that joke of a rotation.
I don’t believe this for a second. And even if it is true, it’s obviously just posturing. I could see them bringing in Andujar though. The Yankees are in win now mode and he isn’t quite the piece Torres is. Add in some prospects and that is an intriguing matchup.
I’m not a big Andujar guy though so I hope Stroman ends up in Houston, Atlanta, or Minnesota.
What do the Jays do with Andujar? Have a tryout at third base with Vladdy and see which one is less terrible? Surprisingly enough I think Vladdy wins that one.
Andujar is probably a left fielder or 1st basemen/DH now. Can’t throw and he could never play 3B
As a Yankee fan, I know I’m in the near less than zero percent who would prefer a first round exit this season than to trade Torres.
Cashman knew what the pitching staff looked like and didn’t sign a front line starter; he was satisfied with the offense and rolled the dice on the rotation.
I hope he’s not pushed into panic mode by the owner and holds his ground like he did with Andujar
… and please don’t bring Sevi back this season; let him heal completely.
MLB isn’t going to suddenly end this season; don’t damage his future and the team’s
ps: all the Garcia being 5’9” is funny … lookup Pedro Martinez
Garcia at 5’9” should not be an issue. After all, Stroman is listed at 5’8”.
There was no front line pitching available this past off season
There was better pitching available other than Paxton, CC, and certainly Happ.
amen to that… locking in on happless and fat man is egregious regardless of who is available. there is no upside to those, none.
Happ was a fine pitcher the last 3 years. Don’t revise history
Seth, how about Altuve and Rizzuto, I was laughing at that too
Garcia for Stroman seems fair.
Yankees get a confident starter who grew up in NY for the next 1.5 years. He’s confident, eats innings and keeps the ball in the park. Jays get a potential #2 or #3 starter down the road.
I could see the Yankees making this deal at the deadline.
I can’t, it’s a low offer in this environment with so many contenders needing pitching, and Stroman is having a career year. If Yanks won’t pay, someone else surely will.
Zero incentive for the Jays to do that
No way the Jays are trading Stroman straight up for Garcia. Period.
I could then see Frazier/Gil for Ray. Yanks go with a 6 man rotation in Aug – 30 games in 31 days.
Tanaka
Stroman
Ray
Paxton
Happ
Sabathia
German to the pen
Who’re you getting Stroman with? That’s not enough to get Ray from Arizona.
Stroman for Garcia (top 100 prospect)
Ray for either Frazier/Florian (too 100 prospect) and Gil (yankees #4 propspect according to mlb)
Frazier and Gil is definitely enough for Ray. Possibly throw Chance Adams in because they’ll need a ML replacement. Robbie Ray has a HR problem and a walk problem. I wouldn’t be so sure he’s the answer to the Yankees rotation woes. I’ve said this many times before; if I was acquiring Robbie ray I’d use him like the Brewers used Burnes and woodruff last year. It wouldn’t be as a traditional starter in October.
I just don’t think Arizona feels someone with Frazier’s defensive liabilities, and attitude would be a good fit. Florial yes, if the Diamondbacks want to wait 2-3 years.
Ray isn’t a perfect fit but is left-handed and can strike out batters. I think a seating four of Tanaka, Stroman, Paxton and Ray could get it done in the postseason. There’s no big fish to be had at this trade deadline (I don’t see Thor, Bauer and Bumgarner being traded to the Yankees at the deadline)
They’ve been rolling with Adam Jones in the corner this year. I think Frazier can get to that level defensively. They’ve been rumored to also be shopping Peralta so that’d give them Souza and Frazier for the corners next season. Obviously they can get more prospects for Peralta as well. I think that’d work. Though as you said, if they didn’t want Frazier the Yanks could offer up a Loaisiga or others. But I think they’d have interest in Frazier.
I seriously doubt they would. Most teams want to avoid awful defenders who can’t baserun.
6 man rotation with the same junk that can get outta the 3rd inning now?
Heck no to that rotation.
Gut CC Happ Tanaka and Paxton start over
You’re not going to find five new starters at the trade deadline.
Toronto maybe aiming for a larger trade if they start with Torres.
Garcia and Torres for Stroman, Giles and top prospect Bo Bichette?
Perhaps a 3rd player to the Jays?
The Yankees are not trading their starting 2B and plausible SS of the future. How does losing Torres improve their WS chances?
That seems like a lateral at best move for Toronto
And only improves the Yankees slightly over the next two years.
And why is Bichette involved
I’ll try this for the 60th time.
I’m not happy going into the 2019 season with the current Starting Pitching rotation. Please go after Corbin, Mortin, Dallas and look to Cleveland to make a SP trade.
Please don’t bring back CC and Happ they both cannot get outta the 5th inning. Yankees need a 1 2 3 punch some top of the line starters here moving down Tanaka to the #4 spot in the rotation or even 5th.
After I have tons of conversations with Yankee fans on the Yesnetwork forums I had to leave their due to the lack of their baseball knowledge.
Most of them maybe two people agreed with me has told me CC is the best #5 starter out there I said no he need to retire.
Most also told me the rotation was fine I said no only Louis Servino is the only guy I’d keep in that rotation. They thought I was nuts crazy or dunno what I’m talking about.
It’s July 27th – Here we are talking about how the Yankees need SP help which they need over the past several years.
As a Yankee fan there is no doubt they’d make the playoffs but I already know that they are going to lose becuase of the SP rotation.
Theres nothing new here they keep bringing back guys that should not have been brought back and if anyone here they thinks their going to win a World Series this year they are wrong.
P.S I have said this for the past 5 years. As long as Brett Garbage is out in LF they Yankees won’t witn another WS until he’s off the teams.
Here we are talking about the same thing and instead of the Yankees fixing it all the do is blow smoke screens towards their fans and take on others # 6 starters hoping for a flash in a pan “just like Brett Garbage flashes in the pan”
All the SP in the off season that coulda been had for nothing more then cash. Now their gonna rape your butt holes for SP. I never seen a team that’s worth about 100 billion go so Fkin CHEAP!
Kind of offensive
People talk about the Yankees desperation to make a trade their starters have pitched well enough to be leading their division of the jays don’t trade Stroman they probably lose him at the end of the season. So who is desperate
Well I mean Jays have Stroman under control for another season and can start extension talks, and a lack of SP is a killer come playoffs so I’d still say the Yankees. Yankees don’t lead their division because of their starters
and winning in spring and summer is not the same as the varsity league in fall…As baseball bifurcates into the have and the have nots more team win 90 and 100 plus than ever before.
Don’t buy the myth. the stros and sox can beat the yanks in a 7 game set b/c sale and price and verlander and cole are far far better than what we have and the sticks are relatively even. what good is it having a stocked pen when britton has to come in by the 3rd and we are down 6
Dude using words like “bifurcates” and “egregious” is truly gonna drain some minds. Google is gonna go down for sure.
Only the Yankee fans have to look them up.
i love your posts- but I can’t apologize for having a masters degree and commanding the English language.
I also can’t apologize for understanding MLB pitching better than Cash 🙂
If this was meant for moi, nothing personal just business, meant towards the Cash homies.
Lol damn you’re nuts bro
Sorry lose Stroman after next year
Cashman should just call Jeter. Perhaps he can get their best pitcher for some cash and a pair of jock straps, just like their last one sided deal
Yeah, the next time the Marlins need to dump an underwater contract and get back some mid level prospects they’ll call New York.
But honestly bro in 2019 do you really believe that the Yankees fleeced the Marlins? Giancarlo Stanton can’t stay healthy in his prime and he’s owed over 200 million dollars. Do you honestly think any team would give Stanton the amount of money he’s owed on his deal if he were a FA tomorrow? For this exercise I’ll completely ignore the fact that he has a NTC and shot down 2 other destinations Jeter tried to send him to.
You’re not using your brain if you think the Yankees fleeced anybody there. They swallowed the poison pill for Miami and gave up 2 mid level prospects to do so.
agreed the Stanton trade will simply go down as neutral as each team will have some wins and little losses out of it. Marlins got the $$$ relief they needed and the Yankees got a legit 20 game a year bat threat
Guys like @Baseball dude just post this stuff to try and strike a nerve with Yankees fans for some reason. They legitimately don’t think about how ridiculous it comes across.
I’d hope that’s the case but I genuinely believe that people think this way. I don’t know how you can look at that deal objectively and say, “Great deal for the Yanks.” If you were really a Yankee homer and were creaming in your pants over Stanton and Judge at the time of the deal, maybe. But it’s time to face the reality of what happened w that trade. It wasn’t a good one. And they’ll never get out from under Stanton. Im not going to say it’s Ellsbury 2.0 but it’s a hell of a lot closer to that than a fleecing by the Yankees.
When the trade was made I said it was gonna bite them sooner than later, and of course it only took year 2. There was absolutely no need to add another RH slugger so similar to what they already had. From the Marlins standpoint it was truly brilliant no matter the return, but they managed to get some interesting prospects. Don’t worry there’s no real Yankees fan that was clamoring for Stanton, because it pretty much came out of nowhere. My offseason wish list was Harper, Corbin, Ottavino, and Brantley if Harper didn’t workout. The Stanton move handicapped them and they went bargain shopping instead.
cereal- all true and great points. Even without stanton though cash was not going to sign corbin for 6 years and he was easily the best pitcher of the lot. Because…..he still spent 25 mil this year though on two of the worst in happless and the fat man.
He also could have had brantley for slightly more than what he paid Gardy (10 mil).
Stanton can hit and pitchers actually seem to pitch around him more than even Judge but he’s never healthy and he went Arod when it mattered most last year. he needs to get his butt back in there and do some damage when he gets back, because the Yanks will need to score two touchdowns a game to win
Not trying to strike a nerve. They had better offers from other teams, but Stanton wanted to be a yankee. So it goes.
It was the only one that was appealing. His true love the the Dodgers weren’t interested.
Stroman’s 2.96 ERA + 1 more year of control is not enough for the Yanks?
Torres might be to much of a ask but Garcia is?
Send Garcia + prospect & get it done or wait a few more years for Garcia to be ready.
everyone knows Yankees is DESPERATE for SP.. Mets and Jays dont need to trade Thor or Stroman at the deadline.. wait till off-season.. If Cashman wants to win it all, he’d have No choice but to overpay..
that’s why most of us are prepared for the usual addition of another #5 starter. Apparently you can’t have too many of em.
How are the Yankees DESPERATE for starting pitching there is a need but I don’t think they would overpay they have so many players on the il that could contribute
Do you watch their games? Do you know what their starters combined ERA is? Do you know what the complete uncertainty of those players on the IL is? Yea they need a starter of significance or it’s bye bye early in the playoffs. That lead can evaporate over the next 2 months and 4 days.
Hey how did it go today in Boston?
I’m not saying the Yankees couldn’t use pitching but desperate I don’t think so You think selling the farm on one pitcher is going to make that much of a difference I do watch games. I don’t know the exact era but I know it’s not good I do know loasiaga will be back soon with severing and Betances soon to follow I also know they have been beating Boston all year.
Severino