In what one must imagine is an extremely hectic organizational war room, front office employees for the Mets are mulling the packaging of Zack Wheeler and Edwin Diaz in a potential trade, according to a report from Joel Sherman of the New York Post (link).
For a club that is seven games under .500, the Mets–for all of the criticism they’ve received this year–are a team still laden with desirable players. According to Sherman, Mets officials have indicated that as many as 16 teams are currently “serious” about acquisitions involving Wheeler, Diaz, and/or Noah Syndergaard, and employees of rival clubs have informed the reporter that all three are expected to be moved before the July 31st trade deadline.
While an exit may be imminent for the recently recuperated Wheeler and the flamethrowing Diaz, the merit of packaging the two together is, at first glance, dubious. For one thing, with such a large number of clubs involved in the postseason running, it is hard to imagine that either Wheeler or Diaz could not, on their own, net at least a top-30 prospect or two. Secondly, we often see clubs package players as a means of jettisoning undesirable contracts, as was the case with Diaz’ arrival in New York. However, neither Wheeler nor Diaz are attached to burdensome contracts, and one could argue that a trade return on either player would be best maximized in isolated dealings with rival clubs, wherein their individual asset values could be more easily agreed upon.
While it is true that Wheeler’s ho-hum results and impending free agency limit his appeal, his lack of a long-term deal could also be seen as a limitation of risk–if he doesn’t perform well down the stretch, an acquiring club can simply walk away in the offseason. With Diaz, one has to respect that a great deal of his 4.81 ERA is allowable, partly, to a sky-high .407 BABIP. He only enters arbitration next year for the first time, which, despite his 2019 struggles, should make him the more desirable of these two players–this is the same player, after all, that was supposed to provide solace in dealing with the back portion of Robinson Cano’s monstrous $240MM contract. Diaz’ inclusion in yet another package deal, wherein his value is somewhat harder to determine, may make Mets fans feel justifiably queasy.
Meanwhile, in a piece of Mets reportage which runs somewhat contrary to this Sherman piece, Newsday’s Tim Healey relays that his sources within the New York organization are indicating that they fully expect to retain Syndergaard past the deadline (link). The report is relatively sparse on details, but it does suggest–especially when paired with this Wheeler/Diaz news–that the club is indeed more focused on trade permutations involving those latter players.
Braves should stay away!
good luck with that
Trading Edwin Diaz now would make zero sense. They traded for this guy to be their closer for years to come, and after an awful season thus far they want to give up on him? I guess they’re saying that Diaz is not who they thought he was?
Yeah. I don’t know.
Trading Diaz at his lowest point. Trading Thor at a low point. Picking up Stroman at his highest point.
Some very weird Mets rumours today.
selling low on Diaz would be a stupid idea, but then again, this is the mets we are speaking of.
I’m assuming the team is simply doing their due diligence, trying to be creative in determining what their roster parts are worth. I have no issue with that. While Diaz has not pitched up to expectations, they will not accept a low offer. Many teams need relievers and a bidding war could ensue despite his 2019 output. Who better is to be moved. The Red Sox for example should be interested in him given last year’s performance, his low salary and the team’s 2019 luxury tax situation..
Why do I get the feeling that the Mets haven’t a clue what they’re doing.
Because they usually don’t
Tends to happen when you get a guy in there as GM that has zero qualifications for the job
The Mariners should offer like Kyle Lewis and Sam Carlson for them.
Kyle Seager and Jared Kelenic for Diaz. 🙂
I was thinking they give back Kelenic, Dunn and one more top 10 and get all three guys
Wow. The Mets.
I want to look away… but I just can’t.
If there is anything you would expect BVW to be good at as a past player agent… it would be working with and using the media to his advantage. Alas….
Definitely could see the Dodgers in on this
Verdugo,Smith or Ruiz, Maeda & May ?????
4 out of those 5 not going anywhere
Verdugo,Smith and Maeda are out of the question. Maeda is definitely a bullpen arm for the Dodgers.
Smith is their primary catcher now and Verdugo is a bargain as he can hit lefties. They should part with Peterson if anyone.
Ruiz is someone I can see dealt. Lux probably not.
Good plan. The Rays should trade some pieces for them. They shouldn’t have to deplete their farm.
Cardinals should be all over this. With Hicks out all of next year, Diaz and wheeler would look good. I would offer a package of Randy arozerena, Dylan Carlson, Austin Gomber, and Adolis Garcia
I’m guessing LA for Ruiz, Stripling and Lux.
Why’d they want stripling
The Mets want a starter. Stripling is a starter
Wouldn’t they want someone not older than syndergaard
Years of control
No way they are trading Lux for any of those guys.
This fits Yankees, Red Sox, Astros, Rays,
Happens tonight. Brewers,Cardinals,Astros,Twins.
Yankees don’t have what the Mets want. The Mets just have what the Yankees do
waiting for the Mets fans to suggest trades…”Angel’s need SP, how about Wheeler for Trout, will include Frazier if Angels pay half of Trout’s new deal”
Only if the Angels also take on Bobby Bonilla’s remains obligation…
sounds about Mets….
nick effing punto
Anyone else sick of all the Mets non stories? Even the Marlins are like, “class it up a little.”
Anyone else sick of all the Mets non stories?
Seriously? You cannot possibly tell me that this amusement of the highest degree.
Two days ago, the NYMs were going to extend Wheeler. Today they are going to trade him with Diaz. Tomorrow?
Thor, Wheeler, and Diaz dealt in a four-team trade that gets the Mets Marcus Stroman, Yasiel Puig, and Miguel Cabrera.
I see the Reds being a surprise team with getting Wheeler or Syndergaard. They have Johnathan India as a top prospect. I also see them trading Iglesias to the Braves for a couple prospects and major league ready OF. Thoughts?
possibly, but knowing it helps next year. I think they realize teams tanking help them have an outside shot
Why would they want Wheeler he is a free agent after this year
I def think they could be a surprise team for Thor
Wouldn’t mind Iglesias but with Markakis going down the OF is a bit light and you not getting the top dogs Pache or Waters
How bout Demeritte & Wilson ????
Iglesias for a package including Duvall would be pretty funny. dont think they want Iglesias’s contract though.
Duvall is the answer in RF going forward until waters is ready. Kakes would be an absolute amazing bench piece and clubhouse presence to twilight out his career for 2-3 years on this team. (Only hopefully to take on a future coaching role.)
Lotta bark no bite this trade deadline
Thought for sure a couple major deals woulda happened today
The day isn’t over and Wednesday is Deadline know at Midnight.
It got pushed back to midnight???? Was not aware of that
Used to be like 4 pm or something like that maybe 3 pm
Just hopping it would then more Trades would happen on that day or Trading all year round.
The trade deadline is 4 pm EDT on Wednesday, July 31:
It’s not midnight. It’s still 4pm EST
i Thought it was at 4
And I know the last day is rapid fire but there is usually a big deal that goes down over the weekend before the deadline that lines up the rest of the deals for teams to answer back with
Cheers it’s midnight somewhere.
When I see all three of these pitchers traded by 31 July, then I will believe it. Until then it’s News rumor spinning coming out of New York to prove they are at least trying.
in other news, Mets plan changes every 2 minutes and the current plan is…. wait… ol now Degrom is the plan
Their unqualified and grossly overmatched GM is bound to make trades that will haunt the Mets for years to come.
Jerry Seinfeld will not be happy……
Do they plan to flip part of the return for Giles?
Syndergaard, Diaz, Wheeler & Lowrie for Puk, Mateo, Holmes, Neuse, Pinder & Mengden with Oakland taking on all Lowrie’s money.
Poor Mets – almost feel sorry for them.
Wheeler, Diaz, and Wilson Ramos for Medina, De Los Santos, Brito, and Drew Anderson (with the idea that wilson ramos would perhaps be going elsewhere in a 3 team deal or subsequently re-dealt, say to Texas for a prospect with Philly paying half or all of the deal. (a bit crazy and out of the box, but that’s probably what this team needs. also still want Medina gone because he is incredibly overrated)
Díaz is not as bad as his numbers look this year.
None of the Mets pitchers are as bad as they look
That team is a mess
Alonso is actually a better 1B than everyone thought
Cano is old and it’s showing
Rosario is a butcher
Frazier is solid but not what he once was
McNeil is an infielder playing OF and it shows in some of the routes he takes but he is somebody you can live with but should be at 2B or 3B
Lagares is not what he once was in CF
Conforto is a LF playin RF/CF
Dom Smith is one of the biggest OF I ever seen definitely not fleet of foot he is a 1B
Ramos May be the worst defensive catcher in the league
Díaz knows he gotta strike everybody out because his margin for error is not good
In Seattle that ballpark and he had guys that could get to the ball he didn’t care if the ball got hit because it had a chance to be caught
This year Citifield is a bigger park that guys can’t cover the ground hits happen he can’t throw the ball in the dirt cause his catcher can’t block the plate
That team construction is a mess damn near whole team playin out of position and the guys who aren’t are not very good defensively
I like your take. If you’re right, a full teardown is in order.
Why would they package these 2 together? I know that’s essentially what the article is saying too but really… like there’s 0 reason to do that unless the acquiring team were asking for it – and giving up a proportionate prospect haul in return. Forcing the two together makes no sense when they each (one would imagine) have plenty of trade value by themselves. Like nothing is accomplished/added by packaging the two by force… if the same team wants both and makes an offer to get them that’s fine… but inorganically shoving the two together makes very little sense.
It’s Brodie & the Wilson’s nothing they do makes sense
When talking about “top-30 prospect” – is that organizational or overall? Obviously, a big difference.
While not a Mets fan, the idea of them packaging Diaz in a deal like mentioned doesn’t make much sense. They’d be selling extremely low on a guy that will get it turned around. Wheeler as a pending FA only makes sense to a real contender. Maybe Thor and Diaz to the Padres for a monster package of prospects, but I don’t see a package deal like that happening
Now I see the Mets plan on keeping Thor
Hey everyone. The fecal storm community is upset that everyone keeps referring to the Mets as a fecal storm. The fecal storm community finds it offensive to them, as it is a very demeaning comment to the fecal storm community.
how can something that doesn’t exist write a comment?
This freaking moron GM is going to bury this franchise deeper than even the Coupons could
Let’s be popular and put out a bunch of nonsensical trade scenarios to the media just to keep our failing franchise in the news! Yep… Sounds like the Wilpons. Good thing they hired the right guy in BVW to help.
The Wilpons always hire the right guy from Steve Phillips to Jim Duquette to Omar Minaya to Sandy Alderson to Brodie Van Wagenen. It’s hard to beat a track record like this in any team sport.
Seattle wins again! Haha
I am so glad I am not a Met fan
I feel for you guys anybody that claims to be a met fan this year is a die hard because nobody would blame them for jumpin ship after this season
Living in the metropolitan area I know most met fans are jet fans too
Poor gluttons for punishment
That’s gotta be a miserable life
Mets/Jets/Knicks fans are fun to laugh at.
NY fans should relish in the luxury of having multiple teams in town. no reason to be a fan of the worse team in the city, even if youre geographically closer. that all said, it makes the faithfull comment all the more valid.
I think wheeler goes to As
Carlos Martinez, Bader, and three prospects for Diaz, Wheeler, and Thor how can the Mets say no to that. Good trade for both clubs
Martinez isn’t a starter and makes a hefty salary. Bader can’t hit and 3 prospects is extremely vague. Also diaz Wheeler and Thor would bring back at least 4 top 100
Trammell and Iglesias for Wheeler and Diaz is an interesting deal, but would the Reds give up such a premiere prospect? Substitute India. Would that be enough for the Mets to part with Wheeler?
Let’s go Phil’s get it done
I feel like the Mets really should have actually been good this year. I don’t believe the gm is at fault, the talent was there
If I were a rival GM I would be calling the Mets every 30 mins. Diaz and Syndergaard will flourish in a diff environment. Wheeler will always be consistently inconsistent but is still a good option. Even Vargas can help a team down the stretch.
And most importantly, the Mets will certainly get fleeced with anyone they deal with.
The NYMs are offiacally hanging-upside-down batschiit crazy. I assume that Sherman is posting at the behest of the Wilpons, But this is almost posting at random. Wheeler went from not being traded to trading a a package with Diaz?
Has anyone ever seen a team trade for a closer and an SP in the same trade, ever?
Instead of “inquiring about Syndergaard,” I actually would prefer it if Falvey went after Diaz. I get that we need controllable starting pitching for 2020 and beyond, but we’re legit contenders with a serious need in the bullpen that won’t be fixed by just trading for Romo.
Mets should bring up that kid Ed Kranepool they signed from the Bronx.
He has a promising career that may last 18 years with the Metsies.
wheeler or Noah S and Diaz to Cardinals? Would that be an upgrade over Wacha and Ponce De Leon? And what would we have to give in return
If it’s Noah and Diaz then Gorman, Carlson and 3 other prospects in your top 30.
How about if they just give Cano to anyone for a bag of BP balls?
He did hit 3 home runs in a game.
Correct term should be “grouping” not packaging.
The Cardinals should offer Carlos Martinez, Alex Reyes, Wacha, Shreve and minor league prospect go Syndagard and Diaz. Shoot they might want to throw in Cecil as a bonus and eat all of his remains salary.
Here’s how I read it… BVW can’t get the return he feels he needs to show ownership/fans that he knows what he is doing- he wants an elite prospect back. So, rather than getting a couple of top 250 guys for Wheeler, he’d rather include Diaz and try to get one top 10.
Which is of course stupid.