Last night’s stunning three-team trade is now official. The Indians have traded star right-hander Trevor Bauer to the Reds, who sent back right fielder Yasiel Puig and lefty pitching prospect Scott Moss. Cleveland also added a trio of players from the Padres: outfielder Franmil Reyes, young left-hander Logan Allen, and rookie-level infielder Victor Nova. On the San Diego end of the swap, the Friars have landed much-hyped outfield prospect Taylor Trammell from the Reds. Amazingly, the finishing touch on Puig’s brief Reds career was his involvement in a dust-up with the Pirates, which actually went down after the trade agreement was reached. That finale may have edged out Bauer’s last impression as an Indian from Sunday.
At 49-55 and 6 1/2 games out of wild-card position, Cincinnati’s chances of earning a playoff spot this year appear close to dead. Nevertheless, the poor win-loss results the team has achieved this season didn’t deter president of baseball operations Dick Williams and general manager Nick Krall, whose goal is to make a more serious playoff push in 2020. The Reds may be in position to do that by picking up Bauer, who – barring more deals – could team with Luis Castillo, Sonny Gray, Anthony DeSclafani and Tyler Mahle to give the Reds one of the game’s best rotations next season. Cincinnati’s starting staff has been a formidable group without Bauer this year, but it could lose one or two veterans by Wednesday’s trade deadline. Tanner Roark and Alex Wood look like possible candidates to wind up on the move, but even if they stay put through the season, they’re not under contract beyond then.
The 28-year-old Bauer has been a quality, albeit somewhat frustrating, starter since he entered the pro ranks as the third overall pick of the Diamondbacks in 2011. He went to the Indians in a three-team trade in 2012 (which also involved the Reds) and has since pitched to a 3.89 ERA/3.95 FIP across 1,044 1/3 innings and 180 appearances (170 starts). Bauer was at his best last year, during which he earned Cy Young consideration on the strength of a splendid 2.21 ERA/2.44 FIP over 175 1/3 frames.
While Bauer hasn’t been as effective this season, he has still notched a solid 3.79 ERA/4.17 FIP with 10.63 K/9 against 3.62 BB/9 through a league-leading 156 2/3 innings. That was eminently valuable production to a Cleveland team which has been without Corey Kluber, Carlos Carrasco and Mike Clevinger for significant parts of the season, but the Tribe nonetheless deemed Bauer expendable. In his final act as an Indian, Bauer fired a ball from the pitcher’s mound over the center field wall Sunday after a frustrating outing in Kansas City.
Clearly, Bauer’s on-field tantrum last weekend didn’t have an adverse affect on his trade value. The Indians are bringing back a major haul for Bauer, who’s making $13MM now, will earn an arbitration raise next season and has said he plans to go year to year in free agency thereafter. As a 62-44 team that holds the American League’s top wild-card spot and trails the AL Central-leading Twins by 2 1/2 games, the Indians were only going to trade Bauer if it helped them stay in contention this season. It appears this deal will enable them to accomplish that. It’ll also shave quite a bit of salary from the Indians’ 2020 books while giving them multiple potential long-term pieces.
Puig is only under control through this season, during which he’s making a $9.7MM salary, but will team with Reyes to help give the Indians the right-handed outfield/DH punch they’d been seeking on the trade market. With the Puig and Reyes acquisitions, the Indians have become the first team to ever land two 20-home run hitters in one midseason trade, Joel Sherman of the New York Post points out.
The 28-year-old Puig joined the Reds last winter in a previous blockbuster involving the Dodgers. Although Puig got off to a horrible start this season, his production has taken off over the past several weeks. Puig now owns a .252/.302/.475 slash with 22 home runs and 14 stolen bases (19 attempts) across 404 plate appearances. Long a capable defender in right field, Puig has also performed well in that aspect this year.
One of the key elements of this deal for Puig is that it completely wipes out the possibility of him receiving a qualifying offer after the season. Puig only looked like a borderline candidate for a QO, but now that he’s off the Reds, he’s on schedule to reach free agency unfettered over the winter.
Just as Bauer’s Indians stint ended in bizarre fashion, so did Puig’s days with the Reds. He was involved in a brawl during the Reds-Pirates game Tuesday when news of the trade came down. Puig may have to serve a suspension early in his Tribe tenure as a result.
There are no such concerns centering on Reyes, who has emerged as one of the game’s foremost power bats since he debuted a year ago. Although Reyes has struggled to consistently get on base this season, his first full campaign in the majors, the big-bodied 24-year-old has still batted .255/.314/.536 (117 wRC+) with 27 home runs in 354 PA. Given his prolific home run totals, Reyes could eventually rake in sizable sums via arbitration, but that isn’t something the Indians will have to worry about for the foreseeable future. Reyes isn’t on track to reach arbitration until after the 2021 season, and he’s not scheduled to become a free agent until the conclusion of the 2024 campaign.
Not to be forgotten, the Indians are also getting three less established players in this deal in Allen, Nova and Moss. The 22-year-old Allen entered the season as a top 100-caliber prospect. He has since struggled in a 25 1/3-inning major league sample and in 57 2/3 frames with Triple-A El Paso of the hitter-friendly Pacific Coast League. However, Allen was still regarded as one of the many high-end prospects in a jam-packed Padres system. FanGraphs’ Kiley McDaniel and Eric Longenhagen ranked Allen as the Padres’ eighth-best farmhand back in May, writing that he “comfortably projects as a No. 4 starter.”
Nova, 19, was not grouped in with the Padres’ premier farmhands, but Longenhagen tweets that the infielder’s “an interesting, bat-first flier.” The Dominican Republic native has held his own this year in rookie ball, where he has batted .330/.421/.451 (136 wRC+) with seven steals in 109 PA.
Now 24, Moss became a Red when they used a fourth-round pick on him in 2016. The former Tommy John patient has since put up appealing results in the minors, including this year. In his first experience in Double-A ball, Moss has thrown 102 innings and recorded a 3.44 ERA/3.52 FIP with 10.85 K/9, though he has walked just over five hitters per nine. Moss ranked as the Reds’ 12th overall prospect at MLB.com, which notes he has a “somewhat limited” ceiling but could turn into a back-end starter or swingman at the MLB level.
The highest-ranked prospect in this trade is Trammell, whom Baseball America and ESPN’s Keith Law (subscriptions required) placed near the top of the sport in their most recent updates. BA rates Trammell 41st, while Law’s even more bullish (No. 14). This hasn’t been a hugely effective season for the 21-year-old Trammell, who has batted .236/.350/.338 (108 wRC+) with six homers and 17 steals in 377 PA during his initial taste of Double-A action. However, youth and injuries have played a part in Trammell’s unspectacular output, explains Law, who contends the youngster has the tools to become “a good regular or a star” in left field.
The Padres, of course, surrendered a substantial amount to acquire the unproven Trammell. But trading Reyes will somewhat enable the club to alleviate its current logjam in the outfield. With Reyes out of the mix, the Padres still have two starting-caliber corner outfield options in Hunter Renfroe and the maligned, expensive Wil Myers. They also have rookie Josh Naylor, Travis Jankowski and Franchy Cordero as 40-man options who are either in the minors or injured at present.
Weighing all the pieces in this trade, it’s all the more surprising the Blue Jays couldn’t reel in a greater return for righty Marcus Stroman this past weekend. At $7.4MM, Stroman’s cheaper than Bauer, under control for the same period and has arguably been the better of the two this season. Nevertheless, in a trade with the Mets, the Jays were only able to secure two non-elite prospects – pitchers Anthony Kay and Simeon Woods Richardson – for Stroman. There was plenty of chatter afterward that teams were clinging to their prospects and unwilling to give up truly outstanding young talent anymore, but this three-way deal shows that isn’t the case.
Jeff Passan of ESPN broke the news of the deal. Additional players involved were conveyed by Jon Heyman of MLB Network, Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic, Dennis Lin of The Athletic, AJ Cassavell of MLB.com, and Jonathan Mayo of MLB.com.
Photos courtesy of USA Today Sports Images.
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You’re an IDIOT
Boce, that’s an intelligent well thought out response.
Right!!! This makes a whole lot sense for the reds..lol
The proper response to this trade? Oh!! High? Oh!!
The Indians did pretty good in this trade. Congratulations Cleveland. Good front office and great general manager.
I agree.
Couldn’t agree more. Reds did fine but the Indians win this trade.
How did the Indians do better smart guy
Reyes, Puig, Allen, and two minor leaguers for Trevor Bauer is pretty good
Let Puig get through this brawl with PIT without being injured to make it official.
Looks like he will be ok physically but who knows if he will be suspended.
Puig your friend
Any suspension may nix the entire deal if it’s longer than a game. The Indians are in win-now mode and one game could be the difference; I can’t see this trade becoming official until Cleveland’s FO knows Puig’s immediate future.
Multiple games and this trade is dead in the water. Guaranteed.
You’re joking right…!?
Shut up hick, the deal is done….enjoy Frazier…..sucker
Seriously?
looks like they didnt care about the amount of games, deal is done anyway
I will take that bet.
I guarantee your not right on this one.
*Face palm*
Why would you say such a thing?
Everyone knows he’ll be suspended.
Two K happy outfielders? I get the power aspect but naaaa, not a win.
Reyes’s first season so far and he’s got 27 HRs, he’ll only adjust to the league from hereon out. It’s a total win for Cleveland they landed a possible star and a #4 hitter for years
Reyes is in his second season
In case you haven’t noticed, welcome to the way MLB is now played. Plus, Reyes will be hitting in a friendlier hitters park.
Indians did good… Padres got hosed… Good lord!!! Padres are going to regret this one!!! Good job Cleveland!!!
Padres came out great Allen is a pitcher that will be sent to the minors, Reyes for Trammel is the trade and the Padres have a future All Star in Trammel. Reyes is no No. 4 hitter, way too many K’s, slow runner and forget his OF lack of defense he is terrible. He’ll hit sixth in your line up. One thing is he has a good sense of humor always laughing but then going from SD to Cleveland yeck. he may lose his sense of humor. The mistake by the lake.
Trammel gonna be a bust
Brad hand, anyone?
27 home runs is 27 more than you hit.
Indians did great, Padres got hosed… they’re going to regret this one. A top home run hitter, a good pitching prospect for a outfielder hitting .230,with weak arm. Ouch!! Padres GM will probably get canned over this one at some point.
CF prospect for future. They have hunter renfro who can field and hit homers and have to get wil Meyers a permanent place to play as first third and center are not great long term places for wil.
He should have been fired in Oct of 2016. He hasn’t made a good trade since then. We got fleeced. Again.
What about the Strahm trade?
Strahm was injured when we got him, but we also got Travis Wood and Esteury Ruiz, who was in rookie ball.
We gave up Trevor Cahill, our best starter at the time, Brandon Maurer, who was our closer (20 saves at the time), and Ryan Buchter, an effective reliever. All off our ML roster.
We were Travis Wood’s last major league team.
We still don’t really know what Strahm is going to be, or if Ruiz will ever be a big league player.
That was only considered a “big trade” from the Royals perspective. From ours, it was just more dismantling of the ML roster.
Lol
Trevor Cahill was a FA at the end of the year. Brandon Maurer is and was worthless. Ryan Buchter is decent but I think I’ll take Matt Strahm over him. Then we get whatever Ruiz might end up doing or being traded for.
20 saves by July 24 is worthless? After a very rough start to the season, he was our closer. Preller traded 3 of our 11 pitchers just to continue tanking the team.
Yes, Strahm has turned out OK, so far. We’ll see.
Brandon Maurer had a 5.72 ERA in 2017 with the Padres. He was worthless. He was also non-tendered last offseason and didn’t even get a major league deal so if you really miss him that much, we could have brought him back for the league minimum.
What part of “rough start” didn’t you understand? I notice you completely ignored the fact that he had 20 saves by July 24.
You’re so typical of most online Padre fans: ignorant about baseball, OK with losing, and terrified to say anything critical of the team and its GM.
You make knowledgeable Padre fans ashamed.
Typical Preller aside from Tatis and Paddack bad trade after bad trade
I just don’t understand why supposed Padre fans don’t get it. Instead, all they do is chase intelligent and objectve fans off “their” forums. It truly defies explanation. When the MLB forums and comments went away, it was a blessing in disguise.
“What part of “rough start” didn’t you understand? I notice you completely ignored the fact that he had 20 saves by July 24.”
What part of “law of averages” don’t you understand? His entire body of work with the Padres in 2017 came out to a 5.72 ERA. And he was even worse with the Royals. Hence him being non-tendered last offseason.
“You’re so typical of most online Padre fans: ignorant about baseball, OK with losing, and terrified to say anything critical of the team and its GM.”
That isn’t true at all. In fact if you actually read my other comments on this thread you’d know that I don’t like this trade. Not only are you ignorant about baseball, but you also appear to be on a mission to prove that you and only you are right. Not a good combination.
“You make knowledgeable Padre fans ashamed.”
So… not you?
Perhaps I overreacted. My point is that those three were the only bright spots on the staff at the time. Yes, Maurer sucked, but 20 saves by July is kind of a big deal.
Preller still doesn’t know jackshit about ML level pitching.
Cahill was a FA. They had to trade him. Maurer was not a significant loss. Strahm replaces Buchter in the worst case scenario.
So far Preller has not proven you wrong on that last part. I’m confident about Gore and Patiño tho.
You don’t “have to” trade somebody yust because it’s their FA year.
The alternative to trading Cahill was to let him walk for nothing. Since the Padres were not contending at that point that simply wasn’t an option. They had to trade him.
Big shakedown by the Indians front office of the Padres especially….
Indians must have photos or something of the Padres GM in the wrong place at the wrong time lol!
What a heist…
That is how you trade a starting pitcher at the Trade Deadline!
Blue Jays GM should watch, listen and learn..
I actually think the Indians made the BEST deadline move of the year! Two above average offensive outfielders (both better than anything they had in house), one of whom has 5 years of control left, and three above average prospects for a pitcher whose shenanigans they were tired of? What a great move by the Indians! Bauer is a good pitcher, but his attitude just hasn’t improved. He still thinks he’s the best pitcher in the world and he’s proven that he’s good but not great. Indians win, even if they don’t!
The DIamondbacks and the Braves round out the top three deadline movers and shakers this year, by the way!
Kind of ironic actually, since the last ball Bauer threw in Cleveland actually landed in Cincinnati.
He threw the ball in KC, but yeah, I’m guessing it landed in Ohio.
Dude can long toss with the best of them!
That is one way to get your a** traded out of town fast…
show up your manager and team on national TV…
I think TB expected to be moving to the NYY or Astros and is probably disappointed to be traded right out of the pennant race
WOW!
And Puig’s last throws were his fists, his teammates, and a tantrum.
HILARIOUS even considering your geographical error. Good one!
Bauer being punished, just like Stroman both sent to losing ball clubs for having bad attitudes.
There is a next year too, you know…
What the hell are the Padres doing here????
Committing harikari…
Their GM is a MORON for making this deal…
AJ Preller trades all the pieces to get Bauer
and is given a struggling AA prospect instead?!
Padres gave up a DH hitter and a fringe 5th starter/bullpen arm for a top 30 prospect… why is he a moron again?
Framel Reyes is not a DH…. 24 year old OFs with 27 home runs playing in a pitchers park in the NL who is breaking out as a superstar and is cost controlled for 4-5 years?!
Logan Allen is a lhsp a Top 100 prospect and the Padres #7 prospect in the #1 rated farm system and only 22.
The Indians thank you for handing them the next Shane Bieber..
+ othe highly rated prospects all for a lottery ticket struggling to hit 230 at AA ball?!
Yes, AJ Preller is a MORON.
Reyes’ offensive numbers aren’t in question and don’t make him the DH – it’s his defensive ineptitude that does. If he gets a hold of one, it’ll go out of any park.
Allen has a high floor and low ceiling. He could be useful in a rotation with a bunch of high ceiling guys (Salazar, Carrasco, etc.). Not the worst get for a guy it looks like they were done with, but if they really were tired of his antics – why would they bring in Puig?
Do you even follow your own team? Lmao Indians are stating he’s going to replace Bauer at DH… So who are you even arguing with? And ntm thanks for your top prospect ;)
He’s arguing with the guy who says he’s an OF, not with you
He’s a moron but Reyes can’t field and Allen a gas can
Reyes’ defense is bad, but he’s a slugger with 27 HRs and counting.
Allen is a top-10 prospect on a deep farm system who started a total of 4 games, and relieved in 4 games.
Either one of those is worth more than that OF prospect. But that seems to be the best Preller can do.
Zach Wheeler to Houston
OK buddy
I just want to add how wonderful Bauer takes it up the wazoo! Hello, Cincy!
Good grief
Trammel, Reyes to Indians?
Trammel to the Padres
Rosenthal says Trammel to SD. Nothing about what Indians are getting.
Puige to the tribe lmao
Indians cleaned up
Trammel screams BUST… what a bad addition.
i believe you are wrong. mvp of futures game 2 years ago and tons of ability. you will see, he’s as good as advertised
lol
MVP of one game is an extremely small sample size and it was 2 years ago. He has very little pop in his bat.
Not sure why SD gave up so much, but I do like the addition of Trammell. Great prospect, great upside. Really wondering what Cincinnati was thinking here. Bauer is good, but two top 10 prospects and a legit major league piece providing value NOW good? Not sure about their thinking here. Then to follow up with trades of Gennnett and Roark for next to nothing? We’ll see, but I’m not sold that the Reds were thinking wisely here!
No it says to Reds and already on Reds and Padres must be moving other OF’s.
yes. the Rosenthal tweet was all kinds of messed up.
SP,Trammell,Myers,Stamman to Indians. Padres get Roark and so on. Bauer and so on to Reds.
Deals about to break.
Pretty wrong
Stupid. At least make a better guess! Lol
At least he tried
An effort was made
Cleveland would have never taken Wil Myers in any trade. Boy, were you dreaming with that thought.
Trammell for Allen, Reyes, and Nova? Feels like an overpay for the Padres.
Padres have been a trainwreck since Kevin Towers and Bruce Bochy left….
AJ Preller tanks the team, loads up on top draft picks, now wants to tear the sancastle down before they even make the playoffs?!
Yeah… this is pretty bad on the Padres part… ouch!!
We gave up a DH hitter and a fringe 5th starter/bullpen arm and please tell me how we’re overpaying??
F Reyes is not a DH, He is a 24 year old break out superstar who has 27 home runs in one of the biggest pitchers parks in MLB.
The lhsp he gave up is a top 100 prospect and Padres #7 only 22
will slot very nicely into the Indians rotation.
+ more promising prospects all for a bust struggling to hit 230 at AA ball?!
Terry Francona will send you a Christmas card lol!
Reyes is 6’5” 275.
Other than Adam Dunn name me a long career for a guy like this in the outfield.
He’s a defensive liability and on the bases.
His starts were about to drop tremendously with Myers-Margot-Renfroe staring most days.
I don’t give a rats azz how he runs the bases after it leaves the park.
Reyes was a poor outfield defender and he’s only 24 years old. He was going nowhere but south with age. Good pickup for Cleveland as a DH though.
@tribalguy But what about tracking down a ball in the outfield which I believe was the original point….. Try to follow along.
Aaron Judge, Corey Hart, Frank Howard, Giancarlo Stanton, and of course Adam Dunn. Even if the Indians only get 4-5 years of him in the outfield playing subpar defense, that’s still has value for a guy who hits like Reyes and these other mashers.
Better than a skinny kid hitting .230 in AA with a whopping 16 steals. Trammel’s performance this year makes Margot look like the 2nd coming of Willie Mays.
How the hell is Corey Hart in this conversation? He’s a gold Glover compared to franmil
Well then.
No!!!!
Yes!!!!
I’m afraid….
out of left field!
No, Puig plays RF
So does Franmil Reyes…
Reyes will dh
I love Reyes but you don’t want him playing any OF position.
True that
Indians might as well start the rebuild and trade everyone
Foh, did you see the game tonight? We need a OF hitter. Clev isn’t going to help the Yankees and Astros…. Tool
This ignores the return of Salazar and Kluber to the rotation. And a better offense means Bieber and others are fine pitching in playoffs
Beiber, Clevinger, Kluber, Salazar…still a pretty good rotation to go along with a now improved offense. That’s not exactly tearing things down
Dont forget young Zach Plesac…
Plesac sucks. Look at his peripherals.
Yet they win when he pitches. Go figure. Oh, wait….let someone else figure it out.
We did with happ last year and his advanced stats weren’t really good. This year he regressed to what he really is
Why? Reyes is a 40 HR RHB that fits best at DH but can also play RF if needed and has 5 plus seasons of control. Puig is a FA at the end of the season but he also has 20+ HR pop. They also got a potential #3-#4 starter that is MLB ready.
What they lost is a guy that would be gone after next season.
Right on the money with Puig and Reyes. However, Allen will be shipped to AAA for now. They don’t need him in the rotation. A potential #3 or 4 lefty would be nice in the rotation of the future.
Reyes will hit close to 40 HR’s but his fielding is terrible, runs slow and a lot of K’s, Logan Allen is not close to being a SP, middle relief at best, Padres must have another trade ready to go they need SP badly, Trammel could be included.
It is amazing how fast the Padres fans want to trade Trammel somewhere else. Don’t worry it is just one of the early stages of grief called denial.
Well, didn’t see that one coming….
Is that you Dr. Bailey??
Wtf
The reds are last place had the same reaction.
Actually, they’re in 4th place.
Actually 3rd place going into action tonight…….but kudos for a nice effort……
Umm no. CHC, STL, and MIL are all ahead of CIN by a pretty good margin.
Just because two teams are tied about tou doesn’t mean you’re in a higher place. C’mon
mets and reds are the ones making SP moves?
Why does this help either team at all?
Because Bauer is a better pitcher than whoever he’s replacing in the rotation. Trying to win is an odd concept for some to grasp if the goal isn’t immediate
It’s odd when Bauer is only controllable for a year and against an extension.
It’s not like if it doesn’t work out that the Reds can’t trade him next year at this time and get a good prospect in return. But I really like the rotation (and bullpen) heading into 2020
It’s almost like getting better players might help you win in 2020 or something.
The Reds are way more than a Bauer/Puig swap away. Castillo and Bauer will both be very costly after next year. Bauer as a FA and Castillo in his first year of Arb. I get you wanna get something for Puig but I still think Trammel could be very very solid
They are? How do you figure?
Bauer has one more year of Arb after this season
on demand society and the death of the critical thinker… a dissertation in the works.
Because this deal makes much more sense for the Astros or Yankees to make is why it’s odd. Giving up Trammell for a one season coming off a likely at best .500 season is a questionable and certainly risky move no matter how much you want to deny it
I disagree. Trammel might be a star, but he hasn’t mastered AA. He needs to start there again. His power is MIA. So, if he Durant have a great year in 2020, he’s 23 and in AA. Is he anything special then? From the Reds perspective, they must feel like getting a really good starter is worth the uncertainty. Plus…we’ve really reached a place where control is more important than talent. Good for the reds for going against the grain.
I’d disagree w that statement. This would be a fine move for the Yankees or Astros to give up control for talent. Control is what it is when you’re ready for the WS. It’s like the Stroman to the Mets move. I don’t completely hate it for the Reds. It’s extremely risky. They’ve already dealt one fast rising prospect this year for a season of Alex wood and Yasiel Puig so it really should be par for the course from them. Trammell is just a better prospect than Gray or Downs was.
I see your point, but I think it would be equally risky for the reds to pencil trammel in for a 2020 callup when he’s struggling in AA and they can get a 2020 rotation piece for him. Puig was leaving anyway, and the reds have other options. San Diego got absolutely hosed, though.
Please explain how SD got hosed? Trading a DH hitter that strikes out way too much and a 5th starter for a top 30 prospect?Not to mention created two more spots on our 40 man roster. I don’t know why other GMs even mess with Preller lol.
Don’t forget about their potential. Gallo was like Reyes but more so and look at him now
The top 30 prospect who’s stinking up AA ball? Sounds like another Ruben Rivera (#2 overall prospect) or Rymer Liriano (#49 overall) – can’t miss prospects who never put up #’s to match their “tools”. But, Preller can say he still has one of the best farm systems to try to stay employed for another year or two while the magic date for the Padres return to relevance shifts out to 2022.
Or “mr. padre” Preller can point out the 20 year old shortstop he stole from the whitesoxs ….Or stealing Chris Paddack from the Marlins? Should I continue??It’s funny how we have the lowest pay roll in baseball (still after signing machado) so we have a money to throw at Garrett Cole next offseason. So why again we aren’t making the playoffs until 2022 crystal ball guy?
It also frees up a helluva lot of money Bauer was going to get next year. Salazar (a wild card) steps in immediately on Thursday with Kluber coming back sometime soon.
Salazar isn’t stepping into anything just yet, other than a slot in the pen.
Salazar announced to start on Thursday 8/1 vs Astros already..
Admiral, Salazar has been named the starter on Thursday.
Well this site is full of prospect loving stock brokers that have forgotten the name of the game is to win. This trade helps both the Reds and Indians. ANd the NL Central is a mess. No reason to think the Reds couldn’t win in 2020 with their current rotation..
So strange that two of the best starting pitchers on the market (Stroman and now Bauer) have now gone to two teams under .500.
Next year
Padres are the third team
How does this help them? They traded a starting outfielder, a young pitcher who dominated AA/AAA last year, and an infielder playing great in the rookie league for a struggling AAA outfielder.
Mirrors my post exactly. Makes no sense.
Agreed. Head scratcher. Still doesn’t solve the OF logjam either.
Seems like Reyes, Allen, and a higher end piece or 2 could have been part of a Thor trade.
Mets wanted Margot, Gore, Urias and a top prospect for Thor way too much for thor
Padres have been a trainwreck since Kevin Towers and Bruce Bochy left….
AJ Preller tanks the team, loads up on top draft picks, now wants to tear the sancastle down before they even make the playoffs?!
Did they have a sale on crack in San Diego the last few days?!
Lagan Allen has not proven he’s ready for the big show and Reyes is a liability on the base paths and in the OF
Struggling AA outfielder. Don’t give him too much credit.
Just as we all expected…
Oh snap! Can’t wait to see the return!
Indians get worse (I’m assuming) and reds out of race this year.
Reds are out of the race this year? Why, because the Brewers are running away with the division and WC with their .523 winning %? Or the Cubs/Cards at .533? We’ll see how the rest of the season plays out. Feeling pretty good about next year though.
They’re not running away or anything, but the Reds aren’t doing much either, and their rotation wasn’t the problem…
I agree about next year, this is a good deal for 2020
They fix their biggest problems and deal from a somewhat strength. Seems alright
Holy carp finally something is happening
This is stroman all over again. Shocker.
The Reds are only 6.5 games back of the Cubs and Cardinals
I doubt reds are leaping 3 teams especially after they traded their cleanup hitter. This move is insane. All in next year I guess
Ervin for the Reds has stepped it up this year and hitting big, He can easily replace Puig with his defense and bat, worth a shot to at least see as Ervin is younger than puig.
Suarez is more than capable of batting cleanup.
Except the Indians Front Office actually got top producing major league talent and top rated prospects for Bauer…
The Jays accepted a few lottery tickets for Strohman
The Jays and Padres are competing for the category
of who got hosed the worst at the Trade Deadline..i
Oh snap. Throw a ball over the fence, get thrown outta The Land.
Wtf
Reds win NL Central, not
Definitely did not expect this.
Freaking seriously?
Yea, you ain’t getting jack, better hope sabbathia finds the fountain of youth
Or the buffet of youth.
Too funny sufferer.
This deadline makes no sense so far. I love it.
MLB saw the NBA offseason and got jealous.
Well damn. The Reds???
WHAT IS GOING ON
Now Boyd is contenders target.
The music is playing and the chairs are being moved off the dance floor,
Which team needing a horse starting pitcher is going to be left
standing with nothing when the music stops?!
Wow. This makes no sense. Gives the twins a much better chance to win the division.
Only to be ousted quickly
They need Boyd or Thor.
Not really….Indians have pitchers coming back off the DL..
And with the extra prospects they just hosed from San Diego, Indians could still land a starter like Zach Wheeler..
A guy throws a ball over a fence and everyone starts losing their mind!
Is this a Dark Knight reference? Lol
Did you see the gif where the ball lands and hits the lady in the house at the end of the street from Happy Gilmore? It’s a classic
Maybe Boyd needs to chuck one over the fence tonight lmfao!
Unbelievable, NO WORDS – Cashman, WHAT THE FLYING FK!
hes dead set on not trading top prospects for decent SPs….
Cashman needs Boyd or Thor.
NYY could use 2 Starters those 2 would be nice
Um what
Bauer, Castillo, Gray… not a bad rotation….
Let’s hope Meijia left SD and isnhitting in one of the other two spots!
With 4+ era in that stupid park
Do you even look up stats before posting nonsense? Go look up grey and Castillos era…… then apologize for your ridiculous comment.
I think he might be saying Bauer’s ERA will be 4+ pitching in the Reds home park.
I think he may be referring to the fact that Bauer’s fly ball rate is 39% to Gray’s 29% and Castillo’s 27%…
Reds stadium favors Bauer on less HR given up than Indians stadium. Weird but true.
I think he’s referring to Bauer
Did not see that coming. Padres got the best player though.
The guy in AA who can’t hit the ball out of the IF?
lol
lmfao!
Padres gave up a young cost controlled OF who has 27 home runs this year
and a top starting pitching prospect and a few more highly regarded prospects for a guy struggling to hit 260 at AA ball?!
..Padres made a STUPID DEAL…
BuT hE’s A tOp 30 pROsPeCt
The way the trades are going, Baltimore is going to trade for Madison
Spit my vodka and soda laughing at that… but, maybe I shouldn’t??
We’re in the Twilight Zone
Very good move by the Reds to acquire Bauer and acquire Trammell /s
Except the reds “gave up” Trammel.
The Padres get Trammel.
The Reds get only Bauer…..for one season…and lose Puig and their top prospect?
Makes zero sense for the Reds.
Great move: Reds get Bauer, Trammel, Puig, Reyes & Allen!!
Yup!
Puig was not controlled by Cincy after September. Trammell has had a rough season in AA. Bauer may be a Red longer than a year, we’ll see. Gray was happy to extend. Bauer has talked about 1 year deals, but the Reds might know something more.
Yes, yes, no, yes, no.
I know the initial post stated the Reds acquired Trammell in the deal.
Padres dot shafted! a young 40hr OF guy & top line starter + prospect for (1) OF prospect? Someone expl;ain Padre logic?
I think Padres got trammel to flip to the Mets as part of a Syndergaard deal!!!
That’s exactly why they did this trade. They’re getting Thor
Easy Reyes has way too many K’s, slow and terrible OF, Allen is at best a 7 inning set up guy, Padres are betting on the youth of Trammel his athletic ability of a four tool OF just starting to come into his own.. There’s more trades to come and Trammel is ranked very high by all scouts.
Have the scouts seen his weak arm and his .230 batting average in AA more than half way through the season yet?
Padres fan I’m guessing
Must have had a sale on crack in San Diego this week.
BS…Padres had better players in their system to get Thor….Pads just gave away 3-4 guys that they could have used to get Bauer or Thor.
BS? Your right, your comment is full of something. I’m waiting for the names of the 3-4 guys that we gave up that we could of hypothetically got Thor with? Seems like somebody is pointing fingers with their crack problem…
On a serious note the Reds traded Jeter Downs, Josiah Gray and Tanmell for Bauer, Wood and Farmer. Awful
On a serious note, they traded three guys that may never do anything in the majors for three guys that have been or will be contributing on their major league roster. Great.
About time this party got started
Puig to Cleveland lol
Looks like at least Puig to Cleveland
Puig has not been removed from the game tonight.
And they’re enjoying a brawl! Somebody needed to tell him he’s been traded.
Dear Indians,
Now is a perfect time for you to begin a rebuild.
Love,
Twins
We was, but we see you guys are going to flop.
Even without Trevor, Indians pitching is far and away better than the twins. 2 decent bats and an arm doesn’t by any means end their chances at the division. It could hurt their chances in the post season….we will see.
Salazar just retired to replace Bauer
Please the Twins will sweep the Indians head to head
Indians picked up 2 20+ home run guys in this one deal plus multiple promising prospects including pitching….
Indians win this deal
They are going to sell their big contracts, but buy small contracts
Not a bad play by the Reds, if Gray keeps it up next season they’re going to have a pretty decent 1-2-3 going.
so the wild card leading Indians trade one of their best starting pitchers to a reds team that’s under .500 for the under .500 team’s prospects?
wut
Did you see the young players and prospects that the Indians stole from the Padres?!
Just maybe we should see the deal before we comment.
Clev got a massive haul. 2 power hitting OF Reyes is only 23 and has 27 home runs
That’s no fun
Why would the Reds acquire a player Trammel, they already have?
Padres got him
Puig, Urias and a bullpen arm from one of the two…
But they wouldn’t give Urias for Noah so a SP must be going back to Oadres worth him. Stamman is deal maybe or Yates or Reds Closer.
The Reds have a solid top 3 now in Bauer, Gray, and Castillo. A couple of solid off-season moves and they could be a threat next yr.
Two of Mahle/DeSclafani/Wood rounding out that rotation makes it pretty damn good. If they can add a middle of the order masher they will be scary.
From what I hear, Puig liked his time in Cincy. Wouldn’t be surprised if he resigns; he was starting to groove it in that ballpark. Not up in arms over the loss of Trammell; he is still just a prospect having a mediocre year. It is so hard to get pitchers to sign with Cincy so I do not fault them for this. They actually have an OF surplus with Ervin.
I’ll wait to see the final deal to render judgment but…the odds of this deal making sense for any of the teams involved seems low at this point.
Made a lot of sense for Cleveland actually considering they have solid pitching and multiple needs in the OF that has now been addressed. The Reds are set up for a very good rotation for the next few years and clear out a crowded OF. The Padres get a top prospect while also clearing spots in their outfield. It’s about as close to a win-win-win as it gets.
Indians get Puig according to Joel Sherman, They better be getting a lot more. If not, wtf.
Puig is still playing RF at this moment.
They did
I think the Padres are getting Trammel
Jesus
I assume to the Padres??
These teams think this is fantasy baseball
Really wanted him to go to the Yanks just to annoy Francesca.
the reds feel they can compete next year and they know pitching is what they need. their offense is fine, haven’t had pitching in forever. I get jt
Actually they have one of the best pitching staffs in the MLB and have scored the 2nd least runs in the NL
The Orioles should be in line to get Syndergaard next.
For real. This is crazy
I like it for the Indians. They’re outfield will be vastly improved
As the Royals fan this makes me really happy. No more trevor in the AL Central & the Royals won’t have to Face him again until like 2021
Finally
Um, not sure he’ll get a great reception in Cincinnati. He recently said Pete Rose couldn’t play in today’s MLB.
He’s not wrong. Pete’s not aging well.
And that’s my belly laugh for the day! Thank you!
Hahaaa!!
Link? That sounds outrageous, even for Bauer.
“I would love to see vintage Pete Rose in today’s game. He would get absolutely annihilated. Guys that are striking out 200 times, like Joey Gallo — in 1990 he would have hit 75 home runs every year because he’s facing guys with an average velocity of 90 miles an hour, good command and O.K. breaking balls.”
nytimes.com/2019/06/21/sports/baseball/trevor-baue…
woahhh, not where i saw bauer going
This means Cleveland knew they could not resign Bauer and this needed to deal him while healthy/pitching well (except for last outing). Even as the biggest Cleveland homer we are not beating Houston or New York this year. Get better for next year and hope for this year
Wow. Exciting deal. Curious to see everything the Pads got.
a light hitting corner OF
Who is struggling in AA. They are also getting Scott Moss a AA LHP who is not a top prospect. #12 in the Reds weak system. A 45 grade prospect.
It’s a lot easier to throw the ball out of the Great American Small Park……
lol
Well bob;
I wrote last off-season when people were making ridiculous trade scenarios regarding Kluber to the Padres that Franmil Reyes would be perfect for the Indians – although they would want far more. Then Reyes had surgery so I pulled off.
If anyone can actually get something out of Puig it’s Tito. Bauer and Carrasco came over to the Indians as know-it-all hotheads. Say what you will, but Puig can influence a game.
Add in that the Indians are great at developing pitchers. Who in MLB couldn’t use another young lefty in the pen? Indians got Hand and Cimber squared away. Allen is only 22 years-old. Maybe he even becomes a spot starter in 2020.
Appears the Reds gave up on Trammel, and the Padres may want to give Renfroe more playing time – plus a few of their minor league OF’s might be ready for MLB playing time shortly.
Indians have quite the organization. It all came together when they bagged Tito and later got rid of Shapiro.
Take that, Bob!
P.S.
I never believed the mainstream media’s proposed trades for Bauer, with all the name candidates.
The Indians FO is savvy. I figured if they traded Bauer they’d get under-the-radar players – at least one controllable young player (they got 2), and one veteran that could help them in the 2019 stretch run. They’ve been interested in Puig since the season started.
They have plenty of pitching. Bauer was an innings eater, but he can be replaced. Fact is that Bieber and Clevinger are now stars – even passing Kluber, Corrasco, and Bauer.
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….and the Indians get yet another LHP to work with, along with a young INF!?!?!?
This may be as good as the trade the Rays made last year for Chris Archer.
WOW! What a front office!!!!! What an organization!!!!!!!!
Reds have some solid starting pitching now, Indians got some linebackers for OF/DH and I love the kid Padres got. Kind of weird how 2 head cases were involved in this deal (Bauer & Puig) whereas Stroman was just by himself.
From Ken Rosenthal (paid subscription)
Franmil, Puig, and Allen for Bauer? Not bad. I’m not a big Allen fan but that’s decent value for a guy you couldnt afford to keep.
Can’t keep Puig either, and Franmil mostly just K’s and moves like the Titanic in right field.
Franmil never has to see the field in ClevelAnd. They have the DH slot wide open. Puig slots right in this year. No Bauer hurts a lot in October without Cookie though. I don’t know if Kluber Bieber and Clevinger is enough. It’s more pitching than the other teams in the AL currently have though. This was not a bad deal for Cleveland by any means
Salazar is starting on Thursday.
For how long is always the Q on him though.
Seems like a pretty good deal all around
Not for SD
Bizarro trade deadline, non-contenders acquiring all the top talent.
What a flop sided trade by the Reds! Fire Dick Williams!!!
BigRedsFan – see my post above. We have a hard enough time getting pitching to sign. I think we came out ok but Tribe clear winners.
Alsocan anybody tell me why I am double posting?
If you honestly believe that then you don’t have a clue…
Darn, I was looking forward to more Bauer/Mike Francesa feuding.
Oh shiiiii
Franmil Reyes, Logan Allen, and Puig to the Indians.
What’s with the last place teams trading for all the headliners??? WTH???
Reds aren’t last place! They’re in fourth place!
What the hell are the Padres doing?
Right?! Right now the info says they traded Logan Allen and Franmil Reyes for Taylor Trammell. I see no reason to be excited about this guy. He turns 22 in September and is hitting .236/.350/.338 with 6 homers in AA. Kinda good, but not eye popping. I wanted to see more from Logan Allen. I am hoping this deal isn’t over and the Padres get more.
Y’all are so damn impatient. Unreal
It seems like one of those 3 team trades where one of the thought they were getting a player that was going to the 3rd team.
I imagine that Tramell doesn’t stay long in SD
Maybe flip him to NYM for Syndergaard
I second that because Mets looking for CF. Also Mark Feinseld said on his Twitter Account maybe more in Deal.
Trammell is years at least two years away from the bigs.
Two years ago he projected as a potential All Star. That’s flattened out considerably. The Reds sold high on him.
That is an absolute fact…
What a haul for the Tribe! Crazy deal. I can’t see a bigger deal going down by 4pm tomorrow.
As a Braves fan, I assume this takes Puig off of their radar. I’m okay with that.
Braves did not need Puig anyway, with the way Duvall is performing.
Indians could still flip Puig,
This some mlb the show stuff happening
Padres got fleeced.
WTF is Preller doing… trading a crucial life force of the Padres. Enjoy baseballs next Papi, Cleveland.
Cleveland is next Papi?
Someone riddle me this… lol
Reyes is huge and cuddly and hits Homer’s like Big Papi. He is a beast.
Reds better hope Puig doesn’t get hurt in this brawl Amir Garrett just started…
Pirates throwing at Dietrich’s head started everything.
Actually, Dusty Baker beaning Andrew McCutchen at every opportunity started it….
And it was probably the best pitch Archer threw all season.
Yes! The Chapman pitch that got Cutch up high was unforgettable. And Cutch was a man about it. Also, Puig is an animal. That dude was starving for a fight.
Reds win… get a TOR pitcher in Bauer
Indians win… get two corner OFers in Puig and Reyes and a lefty prospect in Allen
SD eh?… get a prospect OF in Trammell #30 prospect…. maybe?
I think Tigers fans would have been ok with Boyd going in a deal and Trammell coming back, both for baseball and nostalgic reasons.
If what they are saying is true…then I still don’t care.
What the hell is Cincy doing?!
Getting a TOR SP for a rental and a guy who can’t hit AA pitching.
Even if Bauer wins the Cy Young next year I think this return is well beyond even that value
holy…
There HAS to be more in this for SD. Otherwise, It makes no sense..
Getting the prospect capital to make a move for Syndergaard?
My thoughts exactly.
They already had it. Is Reyes so bad on defense that it negates his 120ops+? They also gave away 2 other useful pieces.
Noah is just dirty tonight.
And I love these big multi team deals.
Lopez and BP kept Sox in the game. Not over yet. 2-1 bottom of 9th.
Ricky’s boys don’t quit!!
Too bad we lost Moncada before he even batted!
2nd and 3rd 1 out for Sox bottom of 9th
Timmy batting.
2-2 still “Goins”
Xtra Innings.
No win for Thor.
Reyes, Allen and Aaron Civale to the Rangers for Mike Minor, Logan Forsythe and Hunter Pence
The Indians end up with the same type of pitcher (minor) for roughly $7 million less next year and get Pence, Puig, and Forsythe to round off their 2019 roster for the playoffs this year.
Foh tool
Ok maybe the rangers include like $5 mill and an OF prospect.
Ain’t happening.
I don’t understand baseball anymore. I love it. What a bananas trade. It’s been a crazy week.
Wow
It must suck to be a Reds fan.
Riiiight …
They got the best player in the trade.
Actually no… I’m quite pleased with this deal, and also the moves they made to put this team together. It hasn’t turned out the way they had hoped, but at least they made the effort. I don’t believe they’re done shopping yet either…
Not to mention, at this time last year they were 28 1/2 games out…they’re now 6 1/2 with two months left to play and three All Stars at the top of their rotation…
When I wake tomorrow morning and check this site, I now have less than zero idea as to what I will read…
Lol! Puig involves in a huge fight with punches thrown Bet the Tribe will be happy to acquire a guy who will be suspended no doubt. He won’t let it go and still ranting and trying to get at Pirates.
Puig threw no punches, and I doubt he get suspended.
wow, Indians made out well despite all the chatter about how Bauer’s arb figure for next year would hurt his value.
This is a weird trade for all 3 teams
What are the Padres thinking here? Why are all the last place teams the biggest buyers? This is so weird.
I assume the Reds will be loaning him out to someone for Sept/Oct under the soccer transfer rules? That would make this make sense for the Reds
Padres have to be getting more than that, right?
Reyes is best in the AL. Trammel has big upside. It’s a good trade. They’ve upgraded their OF depth and are in a position to make another deal using it.
I’ll take your word for it.
I wouldn’t. Have you seen Trammel’s numbers this year. Padres better be getting something bigger than this.
Padres giving up another 19 year old infielder Nova. Good eye and OBP. Switch hitter
Puig. LOL. They traded one headache for another one.