Last night’s stunning three-team trade is now official. The Indians have traded star right-hander Trevor Bauer to the Reds, who sent back right fielder Yasiel Puig and lefty pitching prospect Scott Moss. Cleveland also added a trio of players from the Padres: outfielder Franmil Reyes, young left-hander Logan Allen, and rookie-level infielder Victor Nova. On the San Diego end of the swap, the Friars have landed much-hyped outfield prospect Taylor Trammell from the Reds. Amazingly, the finishing touch on Puig’s brief Reds career was his involvement in a dust-up with the Pirates, which actually went down after the trade agreement was reached. That finale may have edged out Bauer’s last impression as an Indian from Sunday.
At 49-55 and 6 1/2 games out of wild-card position, Cincinnati’s chances of earning a playoff spot this year appear close to dead. Nevertheless, the poor win-loss results the team has achieved this season didn’t deter president of baseball operations Dick Williams and general manager Nick Krall, whose goal is to make a more serious playoff push in 2020. The Reds may be in position to do that by picking up Bauer, who – barring more deals – could team with Luis Castillo, Sonny Gray, Anthony DeSclafani and Tyler Mahle to give the Reds one of the game’s best rotations next season. Cincinnati’s starting staff has been a formidable group without Bauer this year, but it could lose one or two veterans by Wednesday’s trade deadline. Tanner Roark and Alex Wood look like possible candidates to wind up on the move, but even if they stay put through the season, they’re not under contract beyond then.
The 28-year-old Bauer has been a quality, albeit somewhat frustrating, starter since he entered the pro ranks as the third overall pick of the Diamondbacks in 2011. He went to the Indians in a three-team trade in 2012 (which also involved the Reds) and has since pitched to a 3.89 ERA/3.95 FIP across 1,044 1/3 innings and 180 appearances (170 starts). Bauer was at his best last year, during which he earned Cy Young consideration on the strength of a splendid 2.21 ERA/2.44 FIP over 175 1/3 frames.
While Bauer hasn’t been as effective this season, he has still notched a solid 3.79 ERA/4.17 FIP with 10.63 K/9 against 3.62 BB/9 through a league-leading 156 2/3 innings. That was eminently valuable production to a Cleveland team which has been without Corey Kluber, Carlos Carrasco and Mike Clevinger for significant parts of the season, but the Tribe nonetheless deemed Bauer expendable. In his final act as an Indian, Bauer fired a ball from the pitcher’s mound over the center field wall Sunday after a frustrating outing in Kansas City.
Clearly, Bauer’s on-field tantrum last weekend didn’t have an adverse affect on his trade value. The Indians are bringing back a major haul for Bauer, who’s making $13MM now, will earn an arbitration raise next season and has said he plans to go year to year in free agency thereafter. As a 62-44 team that holds the American League’s top wild-card spot and trails the AL Central-leading Twins by 2 1/2 games, the Indians were only going to trade Bauer if it helped them stay in contention this season. It appears this deal will enable them to accomplish that. It’ll also shave quite a bit of salary from the Indians’ 2020 books while giving them multiple potential long-term pieces.
Puig is only under control through this season, during which he’s making a $9.7MM salary, but will team with Reyes to help give the Indians the right-handed outfield/DH punch they’d been seeking on the trade market. With the Puig and Reyes acquisitions, the Indians have become the first team to ever land two 20-home run hitters in one midseason trade, Joel Sherman of the New York Post points out.
The 28-year-old Puig joined the Reds last winter in a previous blockbuster involving the Dodgers. Although Puig got off to a horrible start this season, his production has taken off over the past several weeks. Puig now owns a .252/.302/.475 slash with 22 home runs and 14 stolen bases (19 attempts) across 404 plate appearances. Long a capable defender in right field, Puig has also performed well in that aspect this year.
One of the key elements of this deal for Puig is that it completely wipes out the possibility of him receiving a qualifying offer after the season. Puig only looked like a borderline candidate for a QO, but now that he’s off the Reds, he’s on schedule to reach free agency unfettered over the winter.
Just as Bauer’s Indians stint ended in bizarre fashion, so did Puig’s days with the Reds. He was involved in a brawl during the Reds-Pirates game Tuesday when news of the trade came down. Puig may have to serve a suspension early in his Tribe tenure as a result.
There are no such concerns centering on Reyes, who has emerged as one of the game’s foremost power bats since he debuted a year ago. Although Reyes has struggled to consistently get on base this season, his first full campaign in the majors, the big-bodied 24-year-old has still batted .255/.314/.536 (117 wRC+) with 27 home runs in 354 PA. Given his prolific home run totals, Reyes could eventually rake in sizable sums via arbitration, but that isn’t something the Indians will have to worry about for the foreseeable future. Reyes isn’t on track to reach arbitration until after the 2021 season, and he’s not scheduled to become a free agent until the conclusion of the 2024 campaign.
Not to be forgotten, the Indians are also getting three less established players in this deal in Allen, Nova and Moss. The 22-year-old Allen entered the season as a top 100-caliber prospect. He has since struggled in a 25 1/3-inning major league sample and in 57 2/3 frames with Triple-A El Paso of the hitter-friendly Pacific Coast League. However, Allen was still regarded as one of the many high-end prospects in a jam-packed Padres system. FanGraphs’ Kiley McDaniel and Eric Longenhagen ranked Allen as the Padres’ eighth-best farmhand back in May, writing that he “comfortably projects as a No. 4 starter.”
Nova, 19, was not grouped in with the Padres’ premier farmhands, but Longenhagen tweets that the infielder’s “an interesting, bat-first flier.” The Dominican Republic native has held his own this year in rookie ball, where he has batted .330/.421/.451 (136 wRC+) with seven steals in 109 PA.
Now 24, Moss became a Red when they used a fourth-round pick on him in 2016. The former Tommy John patient has since put up appealing results in the minors, including this year. In his first experience in Double-A ball, Moss has thrown 102 innings and recorded a 3.44 ERA/3.52 FIP with 10.85 K/9, though he has walked just over five hitters per nine. Moss ranked as the Reds’ 12th overall prospect at MLB.com, which notes he has a “somewhat limited” ceiling but could turn into a back-end starter or swingman at the MLB level.
The highest-ranked prospect in this trade is Trammell, whom Baseball America and ESPN’s Keith Law (subscriptions required) placed near the top of the sport in their most recent updates. BA rates Trammell 41st, while Law’s even more bullish (No. 14). This hasn’t been a hugely effective season for the 21-year-old Trammell, who has batted .236/.350/.338 (108 wRC+) with six homers and 17 steals in 377 PA during his initial taste of Double-A action. However, youth and injuries have played a part in Trammell’s unspectacular output, explains Law, who contends the youngster has the tools to become “a good regular or a star” in left field.
The Padres, of course, surrendered a substantial amount to acquire the unproven Trammell. But trading Reyes will somewhat enable the club to alleviate its current logjam in the outfield. With Reyes out of the mix, the Padres still have two starting-caliber corner outfield options in Hunter Renfroe and the maligned, expensive Wil Myers. They also have rookie Josh Naylor, Travis Jankowski and Franchy Cordero as 40-man options who are either in the minors or injured at present.
Weighing all the pieces in this trade, it’s all the more surprising the Blue Jays couldn’t reel in a greater return for righty Marcus Stroman this past weekend. At $7.4MM, Stroman’s cheaper than Bauer, under control for the same period and has arguably been the better of the two this season. Nevertheless, in a trade with the Mets, the Jays were only able to secure two non-elite prospects – pitchers Anthony Kay and Simeon Woods Richardson – for Stroman. There was plenty of chatter afterward that teams were clinging to their prospects and unwilling to give up truly outstanding young talent anymore, but this three-way deal shows that isn’t the case.
Jeff Passan of ESPN broke the news of the deal. Additional players involved were conveyed by Jon Heyman of MLB Network, Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic, Dennis Lin of The Athletic, AJ Cassavell of MLB.com, and Jonathan Mayo of MLB.com.
Photos courtesy of USA Today Sports Images.
TradeAcuna
Woa!
Kayrall
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Bocephus
You’re an IDIOT
Al Jab
Boce, that’s an intelligent well thought out response.
Eightball611
Right!!! This makes a whole lot sense for the reds..lol
neo
The proper response to this trade? Oh!! High? Oh!!
Francys01
The Indians did pretty good in this trade. Congratulations Cleveland. Good front office and great general manager.
MrOF
I agree.
astromariner
Couldn’t agree more. Reds did fine but the Indians win this trade.
mbauza25
How did the Indians do better smart guy
notyourfriend
Reyes, Puig, Allen, and two minor leaguers for Trevor Bauer is pretty good
RunDMC
Let Puig get through this brawl with PIT without being injured to make it official.
Robertowannabe
Looks like he will be ok physically but who knows if he will be suspended.
snotrocket
Puig your friend
AllRiseForTheJudge
Any suspension may nix the entire deal if it’s longer than a game. The Indians are in win-now mode and one game could be the difference; I can’t see this trade becoming official until Cleveland’s FO knows Puig’s immediate future.
Multiple games and this trade is dead in the water. Guaranteed.
Jeff Zanghi
You’re joking right…!?
Nam
Shut up hick, the deal is done….enjoy Frazier…..sucker
fox471 Dave
Seriously?
MIKE PAUL
looks like they didnt care about the amount of games, deal is done anyway
KugZilla
I will take that bet.
I guarantee your not right on this one.
TheTrotsky
*Face palm*
Why would you say such a thing?
batty
Everyone knows he’ll be suspended.
the cuban solution
Two K happy outfielders? I get the power aspect but naaaa, not a win.
noahflesh
Reyes’s first season so far and he’s got 27 HRs, he’ll only adjust to the league from hereon out. It’s a total win for Cleveland they landed a possible star and a #4 hitter for years
STLBaseballFanSince2020
Reyes is in his second season
TribeFan4Ever
In case you haven’t noticed, welcome to the way MLB is now played. Plus, Reyes will be hitting in a friendlier hitters park.
Yankeefan1998
Indians did good… Padres got hosed… Good lord!!! Padres are going to regret this one!!! Good job Cleveland!!!
nowheretogobutup
Padres came out great Allen is a pitcher that will be sent to the minors, Reyes for Trammel is the trade and the Padres have a future All Star in Trammel. Reyes is no No. 4 hitter, way too many K’s, slow runner and forget his OF lack of defense he is terrible. He’ll hit sixth in your line up. One thing is he has a good sense of humor always laughing but then going from SD to Cleveland yeck. he may lose his sense of humor. The mistake by the lake.
Whodoirootfor
Trammel gonna be a bust
notyourfriend
Brad hand, anyone?
notyourfriend
27 home runs is 27 more than you hit.
Yankeefan1998
Indians did great, Padres got hosed… they’re going to regret this one. A top home run hitter, a good pitching prospect for a outfielder hitting .230,with weak arm. Ouch!! Padres GM will probably get canned over this one at some point.
daman2032
CF prospect for future. They have hunter renfro who can field and hit homers and have to get wil Meyers a permanent place to play as first third and center are not great long term places for wil.
SDHotDawg
He should have been fired in Oct of 2016. He hasn’t made a good trade since then. We got fleeced. Again.
Show Me Your Tatis
What about the Strahm trade?
SDHotDawg
Strahm was injured when we got him, but we also got Travis Wood and Esteury Ruiz, who was in rookie ball.
We gave up Trevor Cahill, our best starter at the time, Brandon Maurer, who was our closer (20 saves at the time), and Ryan Buchter, an effective reliever. All off our ML roster.
We were Travis Wood’s last major league team.
We still don’t really know what Strahm is going to be, or if Ruiz will ever be a big league player.
That was only considered a “big trade” from the Royals perspective. From ours, it was just more dismantling of the ML roster.
sdhorris
Lol
Show Me Your Tatis
Trevor Cahill was a FA at the end of the year. Brandon Maurer is and was worthless. Ryan Buchter is decent but I think I’ll take Matt Strahm over him. Then we get whatever Ruiz might end up doing or being traded for.
SDHotDawg
20 saves by July 24 is worthless? After a very rough start to the season, he was our closer. Preller traded 3 of our 11 pitchers just to continue tanking the team.
Yes, Strahm has turned out OK, so far. We’ll see.
Show Me Your Tatis
Brandon Maurer had a 5.72 ERA in 2017 with the Padres. He was worthless. He was also non-tendered last offseason and didn’t even get a major league deal so if you really miss him that much, we could have brought him back for the league minimum.
SDHotDawg
What part of “rough start” didn’t you understand? I notice you completely ignored the fact that he had 20 saves by July 24.
You’re so typical of most online Padre fans: ignorant about baseball, OK with losing, and terrified to say anything critical of the team and its GM.
You make knowledgeable Padre fans ashamed.
padreforlife
Typical Preller aside from Tatis and Paddack bad trade after bad trade
SDHotDawg
I just don’t understand why supposed Padre fans don’t get it. Instead, all they do is chase intelligent and objectve fans off “their” forums. It truly defies explanation. When the MLB forums and comments went away, it was a blessing in disguise.
Show Me Your Tatis
“What part of “rough start” didn’t you understand? I notice you completely ignored the fact that he had 20 saves by July 24.”
What part of “law of averages” don’t you understand? His entire body of work with the Padres in 2017 came out to a 5.72 ERA. And he was even worse with the Royals. Hence him being non-tendered last offseason.
“You’re so typical of most online Padre fans: ignorant about baseball, OK with losing, and terrified to say anything critical of the team and its GM.”
That isn’t true at all. In fact if you actually read my other comments on this thread you’d know that I don’t like this trade. Not only are you ignorant about baseball, but you also appear to be on a mission to prove that you and only you are right. Not a good combination.
“You make knowledgeable Padre fans ashamed.”
So… not you?
SDHotDawg
Perhaps I overreacted. My point is that those three were the only bright spots on the staff at the time. Yes, Maurer sucked, but 20 saves by July is kind of a big deal.
Preller still doesn’t know jackshit about ML level pitching.
Show Me Your Tatis
Cahill was a FA. They had to trade him. Maurer was not a significant loss. Strahm replaces Buchter in the worst case scenario.
So far Preller has not proven you wrong on that last part. I’m confident about Gore and Patiño tho.
SDHotDawg
You don’t “have to” trade somebody yust because it’s their FA year.
Show Me Your Tatis
The alternative to trading Cahill was to let him walk for nothing. Since the Padres were not contending at that point that simply wasn’t an option. They had to trade him.
SportsFan0000
Big shakedown by the Indians front office of the Padres especially….
Indians must have photos or something of the Padres GM in the wrong place at the wrong time lol!
What a heist…
That is how you trade a starting pitcher at the Trade Deadline!
Blue Jays GM should watch, listen and learn..
Jeff Cartwright
I actually think the Indians made the BEST deadline move of the year! Two above average offensive outfielders (both better than anything they had in house), one of whom has 5 years of control left, and three above average prospects for a pitcher whose shenanigans they were tired of? What a great move by the Indians! Bauer is a good pitcher, but his attitude just hasn’t improved. He still thinks he’s the best pitcher in the world and he’s proven that he’s good but not great. Indians win, even if they don’t!
The DIamondbacks and the Braves round out the top three deadline movers and shakers this year, by the way!
Lumps of Cole
Kind of ironic actually, since the last ball Bauer threw in Cleveland actually landed in Cincinnati.
Charles Russell
He threw the ball in KC, but yeah, I’m guessing it landed in Ohio.
sufferforsnakes
Dude can long toss with the best of them!
SportsFan0000
That is one way to get your a** traded out of town fast…
show up your manager and team on national TV…
I think TB expected to be moving to the NYY or Astros and is probably disappointed to be traded right out of the pennant race
WOW!
KugZilla
And Puig’s last throws were his fists, his teammates, and a tantrum.
TribeFan4Ever
HILARIOUS even considering your geographical error. Good one!
ColossusOfClout
Bauer being punished, just like Stroman both sent to losing ball clubs for having bad attitudes.
notyourfriend
There is a next year too, you know…
Bernie's Dander
What the hell are the Padres doing here????
SportsFan0000
Committing harikari…
Their GM is a MORON for making this deal…
AJ Preller trades all the pieces to get Bauer
and is given a struggling AA prospect instead?!
kingkooba
Padres gave up a DH hitter and a fringe 5th starter/bullpen arm for a top 30 prospect… why is he a moron again?
SportsFan0000
Framel Reyes is not a DH…. 24 year old OFs with 27 home runs playing in a pitchers park in the NL who is breaking out as a superstar and is cost controlled for 4-5 years?!
Logan Allen is a lhsp a Top 100 prospect and the Padres #7 prospect in the #1 rated farm system and only 22.
The Indians thank you for handing them the next Shane Bieber..
+ othe highly rated prospects all for a lottery ticket struggling to hit 230 at AA ball?!
Yes, AJ Preller is a MORON.
RunDMC
Reyes’ offensive numbers aren’t in question and don’t make him the DH – it’s his defensive ineptitude that does. If he gets a hold of one, it’ll go out of any park.
Allen has a high floor and low ceiling. He could be useful in a rotation with a bunch of high ceiling guys (Salazar, Carrasco, etc.). Not the worst get for a guy it looks like they were done with, but if they really were tired of his antics – why would they bring in Puig?
kingkooba
Do you even follow your own team? Lmao Indians are stating he’s going to replace Bauer at DH… So who are you even arguing with? And ntm thanks for your top prospect 😉
notyourfriend
He’s arguing with the guy who says he’s an OF, not with you
padreforlife
He’s a moron but Reyes can’t field and Allen a gas can
SDHotDawg
Reyes’ defense is bad, but he’s a slugger with 27 HRs and counting.
Allen is a top-10 prospect on a deep farm system who started a total of 4 games, and relieved in 4 games.
Either one of those is worth more than that OF prospect. But that seems to be the best Preller can do.
Goku the Knowledgable One
Zach Wheeler to Houston
notyourfriend
OK buddy
Horace Fury
I just want to add how wonderful Bauer takes it up the wazoo! Hello, Cincy!
chicagofan1978
Good grief
downsr30
Trammel, Reyes to Indians?
gleybertorres25
Trammel to the Padres
justinept
Rosenthal says Trammel to SD. Nothing about what Indians are getting.
2weeks
Puige to the tribe lmao
2weeks
Indians cleaned up
h0wmyd0ing
Trammel screams BUST… what a bad addition.
MIKE PAUL
i believe you are wrong. mvp of futures game 2 years ago and tons of ability. you will see, he’s as good as advertised
Yankeefan1998
lol
CobiEven
MVP of one game is an extremely small sample size and it was 2 years ago. He has very little pop in his bat.
Jeff Cartwright
Not sure why SD gave up so much, but I do like the addition of Trammell. Great prospect, great upside. Really wondering what Cincinnati was thinking here. Bauer is good, but two top 10 prospects and a legit major league piece providing value NOW good? Not sure about their thinking here. Then to follow up with trades of Gennnett and Roark for next to nothing? We’ll see, but I’m not sold that the Reds were thinking wisely here!
Matt Galvin
No it says to Reds and already on Reds and Padres must be moving other OF’s.
justinept
yes. the Rosenthal tweet was all kinds of messed up.
Matt Galvin
SP,Trammell,Myers,Stamman to Indians. Padres get Roark and so on. Bauer and so on to Reds.
Deals about to break.
rtrgobraves
Pretty wrong
antibelt
Stupid. At least make a better guess! Lol
notyourfriend
At least he tried
GareBear
An effort was made
hockeyjohn
Cleveland would have never taken Wil Myers in any trade. Boy, were you dreaming with that thought.
trident
Trammell for Allen, Reyes, and Nova? Feels like an overpay for the Padres.
SportsFan0000
Padres have been a trainwreck since Kevin Towers and Bruce Bochy left….
AJ Preller tanks the team, loads up on top draft picks, now wants to tear the sancastle down before they even make the playoffs?!
Yankeefan1998
Yeah… this is pretty bad on the Padres part… ouch!!
kingkooba
We gave up a DH hitter and a fringe 5th starter/bullpen arm and please tell me how we’re overpaying??
SportsFan0000
F Reyes is not a DH, He is a 24 year old break out superstar who has 27 home runs in one of the biggest pitchers parks in MLB.
The lhsp he gave up is a top 100 prospect and Padres #7 only 22
will slot very nicely into the Indians rotation.
+ more promising prospects all for a bust struggling to hit 230 at AA ball?!
Terry Francona will send you a Christmas card lol!
mrpadre19
Reyes is 6’5” 275.
Other than Adam Dunn name me a long career for a guy like this in the outfield.
He’s a defensive liability and on the bases.
His starts were about to drop tremendously with Myers-Margot-Renfroe staring most days.
TribeFan4Ever
I don’t give a rats azz how he runs the bases after it leaves the park.
jbigz12
Reyes was a poor outfield defender and he’s only 24 years old. He was going nowhere but south with age. Good pickup for Cleveland as a DH though.
kingkooba
@tribalguy But what about tracking down a ball in the outfield which I believe was the original point….. Try to follow along.
mlbscout6
Aaron Judge, Corey Hart, Frank Howard, Giancarlo Stanton, and of course Adam Dunn. Even if the Indians only get 4-5 years of him in the outfield playing subpar defense, that’s still has value for a guy who hits like Reyes and these other mashers.
nypadre66
Better than a skinny kid hitting .230 in AA with a whopping 16 steals. Trammel’s performance this year makes Margot look like the 2nd coming of Willie Mays.
kingkooba
How the hell is Corey Hart in this conversation? He’s a gold Glover compared to franmil
joshua.barron1
Well then.
acarneglia
No!!!!
notyourfriend
Yes!!!!
martyfan
I’m afraid….
Deve
out of left field!
Dbird777
No, Puig plays RF
MadThinker
So does Franmil Reyes…
Indiansjoe
Reyes will dh
kingkooba
I love Reyes but you don’t want him playing any OF position.
notyourfriend
True that
king beas
Indians might as well start the rebuild and trade everyone
Nam
Foh, did you see the game tonight? We need a OF hitter. Clev isn’t going to help the Yankees and Astros…. Tool
theland44145
This ignores the return of Salazar and Kluber to the rotation. And a better offense means Bieber and others are fine pitching in playoffs
DTD
Beiber, Clevinger, Kluber, Salazar…still a pretty good rotation to go along with a now improved offense. That’s not exactly tearing things down
MadThinker
Dont forget young Zach Plesac…
myaccount
Plesac sucks. Look at his peripherals.
sufferforsnakes
Yet they win when he pitches. Go figure. Oh, wait….let someone else figure it out.
Yankeepatriot
We did with happ last year and his advanced stats weren’t really good. This year he regressed to what he really is
Koamalu
Why? Reyes is a 40 HR RHB that fits best at DH but can also play RF if needed and has 5 plus seasons of control. Puig is a FA at the end of the season but he also has 20+ HR pop. They also got a potential #3-#4 starter that is MLB ready.
What they lost is a guy that would be gone after next season.
rossman1970
Right on the money with Puig and Reyes. However, Allen will be shipped to AAA for now. They don’t need him in the rotation. A potential #3 or 4 lefty would be nice in the rotation of the future.
nowheretogobutup
Reyes will hit close to 40 HR’s but his fielding is terrible, runs slow and a lot of K’s, Logan Allen is not close to being a SP, middle relief at best, Padres must have another trade ready to go they need SP badly, Trammel could be included.
CobiEven
It is amazing how fast the Padres fans want to trade Trammel somewhere else. Don’t worry it is just one of the early stages of grief called denial.
jjd002
Well, didn’t see that one coming….
Robertowannabe
Is that you Dr. Bailey??
fakeanalyst
Wtf
stephentheazian
The reds are last place had the same reaction.
Ry.the.Stunner
Actually, they’re in 4th place.
willymayshayse
Actually 3rd place going into action tonight…….but kudos for a nice effort……
sidewinder11
Umm no. CHC, STL, and MIL are all ahead of CIN by a pretty good margin.
Oxford Karma
Just because two teams are tied about tou doesn’t mean you’re in a higher place. C’mon
jonnyzuck
mets and reds are the ones making SP moves?
brewcrew08
Why does this help either team at all?
joeshmoe11
Because Bauer is a better pitcher than whoever he’s replacing in the rotation. Trying to win is an odd concept for some to grasp if the goal isn’t immediate
jbigz12
It’s odd when Bauer is only controllable for a year and against an extension.
nsideindy
It’s not like if it doesn’t work out that the Reds can’t trade him next year at this time and get a good prospect in return. But I really like the rotation (and bullpen) heading into 2020
smrtrtanur
It’s almost like getting better players might help you win in 2020 or something.
brewcrew08
The Reds are way more than a Bauer/Puig swap away. Castillo and Bauer will both be very costly after next year. Bauer as a FA and Castillo in his first year of Arb. I get you wanna get something for Puig but I still think Trammel could be very very solid
smrtrtanur
They are? How do you figure?
GareBear
Bauer has one more year of Arb after this season
chiraqi_savage
on demand society and the death of the critical thinker… a dissertation in the works.
jbigz12
Because this deal makes much more sense for the Astros or Yankees to make is why it’s odd. Giving up Trammell for a one season coming off a likely at best .500 season is a questionable and certainly risky move no matter how much you want to deny it
smrtrtanur
I disagree. Trammel might be a star, but he hasn’t mastered AA. He needs to start there again. His power is MIA. So, if he Durant have a great year in 2020, he’s 23 and in AA. Is he anything special then? From the Reds perspective, they must feel like getting a really good starter is worth the uncertainty. Plus…we’ve really reached a place where control is more important than talent. Good for the reds for going against the grain.
jbigz12
I’d disagree w that statement. This would be a fine move for the Yankees or Astros to give up control for talent. Control is what it is when you’re ready for the WS. It’s like the Stroman to the Mets move. I don’t completely hate it for the Reds. It’s extremely risky. They’ve already dealt one fast rising prospect this year for a season of Alex wood and Yasiel Puig so it really should be par for the course from them. Trammell is just a better prospect than Gray or Downs was.
smrtrtanur
I see your point, but I think it would be equally risky for the reds to pencil trammel in for a 2020 callup when he’s struggling in AA and they can get a 2020 rotation piece for him. Puig was leaving anyway, and the reds have other options. San Diego got absolutely hosed, though.
kingkooba
Please explain how SD got hosed? Trading a DH hitter that strikes out way too much and a 5th starter for a top 30 prospect?Not to mention created two more spots on our 40 man roster. I don’t know why other GMs even mess with Preller lol.
notyourfriend
Don’t forget about their potential. Gallo was like Reyes but more so and look at him now
nypadre66
The top 30 prospect who’s stinking up AA ball? Sounds like another Ruben Rivera (#2 overall prospect) or Rymer Liriano (#49 overall) – can’t miss prospects who never put up #’s to match their “tools”. But, Preller can say he still has one of the best farm systems to try to stay employed for another year or two while the magic date for the Padres return to relevance shifts out to 2022.
kingkooba
Or “mr. padre” Preller can point out the 20 year old shortstop he stole from the whitesoxs ….Or stealing Chris Paddack from the Marlins? Should I continue??It’s funny how we have the lowest pay roll in baseball (still after signing machado) so we have a money to throw at Garrett Cole next offseason. So why again we aren’t making the playoffs until 2022 crystal ball guy?
RunDMC
It also frees up a helluva lot of money Bauer was going to get next year. Salazar (a wild card) steps in immediately on Thursday with Kluber coming back sometime soon.
MLBTRS
Salazar isn’t stepping into anything just yet, other than a slot in the pen.
MadThinker
Salazar announced to start on Thursday 8/1 vs Astros already..
Koamalu
Admiral, Salazar has been named the starter on Thursday.
ACK
Well this site is full of prospect loving stock brokers that have forgotten the name of the game is to win. This trade helps both the Reds and Indians. ANd the NL Central is a mess. No reason to think the Reds couldn’t win in 2020 with their current rotation..
rct
So strange that two of the best starting pitchers on the market (Stroman and now Bauer) have now gone to two teams under .500.
notyourfriend
Next year
lowtalker1
Padres are the third team
snotrocket
How does this help them? They traded a starting outfielder, a young pitcher who dominated AA/AAA last year, and an infielder playing great in the rookie league for a struggling AAA outfielder.
Baytown
Mirrors my post exactly. Makes no sense.
trident
Agreed. Head scratcher. Still doesn’t solve the OF logjam either.
snotrocket
Seems like Reyes, Allen, and a higher end piece or 2 could have been part of a Thor trade.
nowheretogobutup
Mets wanted Margot, Gore, Urias and a top prospect for Thor way too much for thor
SportsFan0000
Padres have been a trainwreck since Kevin Towers and Bruce Bochy left….
AJ Preller tanks the team, loads up on top draft picks, now wants to tear the sancastle down before they even make the playoffs?!
Did they have a sale on crack in San Diego the last few days?!
nowheretogobutup
Lagan Allen has not proven he’s ready for the big show and Reyes is a liability on the base paths and in the OF
nypadre66
Struggling AA outfielder. Don’t give him too much credit.
drake99
Just as we all expected…
Burgeezy
Oh snap! Can’t wait to see the return!
brewcrew08
Indians get worse (I’m assuming) and reds out of race this year.
earmbrister
Reds are out of the race this year? Why, because the Brewers are running away with the division and WC with their .523 winning %? Or the Cubs/Cards at .533? We’ll see how the rest of the season plays out. Feeling pretty good about next year though.
notyourfriend
They’re not running away or anything, but the Reds aren’t doing much either, and their rotation wasn’t the problem…
I agree about next year, this is a good deal for 2020
notyourfriend
They fix their biggest problems and deal from a somewhat strength. Seems alright
RiseAgainst3598
Holy carp finally something is happening
ElMagoN9ne
This is stroman all over again. Shocker.
smrtbusnisman04a
The Reds are only 6.5 games back of the Cubs and Cardinals
Led Hoyer
I doubt reds are leaping 3 teams especially after they traded their cleanup hitter. This move is insane. All in next year I guess
Robnessa
Ervin for the Reds has stepped it up this year and hitting big, He can easily replace Puig with his defense and bat, worth a shot to at least see as Ervin is younger than puig.
Stallion97
Suarez is more than capable of batting cleanup.
SportsFan0000
Except the Indians Front Office actually got top producing major league talent and top rated prospects for Bauer…
The Jays accepted a few lottery tickets for Strohman
The Jays and Padres are competing for the category
of who got hosed the worst at the Trade Deadline..i
brewcrewbernie
Oh snap. Throw a ball over the fence, get thrown outta The Land.
stephentheazian
Wtf
zachattack
Reds win NL Central, not
Kolukonu
Definitely did not expect this.
PinstripedPride
Freaking seriously?
Nam
Yea, you ain’t getting jack, better hope sabbathia finds the fountain of youth
sufferforsnakes
Or the buffet of youth.
earmbrister
Too funny sufferer.
Danbino
This deadline makes no sense so far. I love it.
rct
MLB saw the NBA offseason and got jealous.
PapiElf
Well damn. The Reds???
TaylorLH
WHAT IS GOING ON
oldleftylong
Now Boyd is contenders target.
SportsFan0000
The music is playing and the chairs are being moved off the dance floor,
Which team needing a horse starting pitcher is going to be left
standing with nothing when the music stops?!
Oxford Karma
Wow. This makes no sense. Gives the twins a much better chance to win the division.
Whodoirootfor
Only to be ousted quickly
oldleftylong
They need Boyd or Thor.
SportsFan0000
Not really….Indians have pitchers coming back off the DL..
And with the extra prospects they just hosed from San Diego, Indians could still land a starter like Zach Wheeler..
E munchy
A guy throws a ball over a fence and everyone starts losing their mind!
SayfromMaclay
Is this a Dark Knight reference? Lol
dugdog83
Did you see the gif where the ball lands and hits the lady in the house at the end of the street from Happy Gilmore? It’s a classic
SportsFan0000
Maybe Boyd needs to chuck one over the fence tonight lmfao!
Elheavyhitta
Unbelievable, NO WORDS – Cashman, WHAT THE FLYING FK!
prestigeworldwide
hes dead set on not trading top prospects for decent SPs….
oldleftylong
Cashman needs Boyd or Thor.
SportsFan0000
NYY could use 2 Starters those 2 would be nice
schwameegrandsalami
Um what
h0wmyd0ing
Bauer, Castillo, Gray… not a bad rotation….
Let’s hope Meijia left SD and isnhitting in one of the other two spots!
Whodoirootfor
With 4+ era in that stupid park
willymayshayse
Do you even look up stats before posting nonsense? Go look up grey and Castillos era…… then apologize for your ridiculous comment.
RedSox4Life4ever
I think he might be saying Bauer’s ERA will be 4+ pitching in the Reds home park.
ntorsky
I think he may be referring to the fact that Bauer’s fly ball rate is 39% to Gray’s 29% and Castillo’s 27%…
ray714
Reds stadium favors Bauer on less HR given up than Indians stadium. Weird but true.
dugdog83
I think he’s referring to Bauer
Chives
Did not see that coming. Padres got the best player though.
Yankeefan1998
lol
SportsFan0000
lmfao!
Padres gave up a young cost controlled OF who has 27 home runs this year
and a top starting pitching prospect and a few more highly regarded prospects for a guy struggling to hit 260 at AA ball?!
..Padres made a STUPID DEAL…
notyourfriend
BuT hE’s A tOp 30 pROsPeCt
yanksfan2010
The way the trades are going, Baltimore is going to trade for Madison
HubcapDiamondStarHalo
Spit my vodka and soda laughing at that… but, maybe I shouldn’t??
Elvisismyhomeboy
We’re in the Twilight Zone
jdgoat
Very good move by the Reds to acquire Bauer and acquire Trammell /s
mrpadre19
Except the reds “gave up” Trammel.
The Padres get Trammel.
The Reds get only Bauer…..for one season…and lose Puig and their top prospect?
Makes zero sense for the Reds.
nymetsking
Great move: Reds get Bauer, Trammel, Puig, Reyes & Allen!!
oldleftylong
Yup!
earmbrister
Puig was not controlled by Cincy after September. Trammell has had a rough season in AA. Bauer may be a Red longer than a year, we’ll see. Gray was happy to extend. Bauer has talked about 1 year deals, but the Reds might know something more.
notyourfriend
Yes, yes, no, yes, no.
jdgoat
I know the initial post stated the Reds acquired Trammell in the deal.
matt4baseball
Padres dot shafted! a young 40hr OF guy & top line starter + prospect for (1) OF prospect? Someone expl;ain Padre logic?
andremets
I think Padres got trammel to flip to the Mets as part of a Syndergaard deal!!!
ullnvrknw
That’s exactly why they did this trade. They’re getting Thor
nowheretogobutup
Easy Reyes has way too many K’s, slow and terrible OF, Allen is at best a 7 inning set up guy, Padres are betting on the youth of Trammel his athletic ability of a four tool OF just starting to come into his own.. There’s more trades to come and Trammel is ranked very high by all scouts.
Yankeefan1998
Have the scouts seen his weak arm and his .230 batting average in AA more than half way through the season yet?
Gobbysteiner
Padres fan I’m guessing
SportsFan0000
Must have had a sale on crack in San Diego this week.
SportsFan0000
BS…Padres had better players in their system to get Thor….Pads just gave away 3-4 guys that they could have used to get Bauer or Thor.
kingkooba
BS? Your right, your comment is full of something. I’m waiting for the names of the 3-4 guys that we gave up that we could of hypothetically got Thor with? Seems like somebody is pointing fingers with their crack problem…
amk3510
On a serious note the Reds traded Jeter Downs, Josiah Gray and Tanmell for Bauer, Wood and Farmer. Awful
hiflew
On a serious note, they traded three guys that may never do anything in the majors for three guys that have been or will be contributing on their major league roster. Great.
david klein
About time this party got started
ElMagoN9ne
Puig to Cleveland lol
cyyoung24
Looks like at least Puig to Cleveland
Black_Pearl
Puig has not been removed from the game tonight.
sufferforsnakes
And they’re enjoying a brawl! Somebody needed to tell him he’s been traded.
jd396
Dear Indians,
Now is a perfect time for you to begin a rebuild.
Love,
Twins
Nam
We was, but we see you guys are going to flop.
Indiansjoe
Even without Trevor, Indians pitching is far and away better than the twins. 2 decent bats and an arm doesn’t by any means end their chances at the division. It could hurt their chances in the post season….we will see.
andremets
Salazar just retired to replace Bauer
nowheretogobutup
Please the Twins will sweep the Indians head to head
SportsFan0000
Indians picked up 2 20+ home run guys in this one deal plus multiple promising prospects including pitching….
Indians win this deal
playicy
They are going to sell their big contracts, but buy small contracts
MasterShake
Not a bad play by the Reds, if Gray keeps it up next season they’re going to have a pretty decent 1-2-3 going.
robluca21
so the wild card leading Indians trade one of their best starting pitchers to a reds team that’s under .500 for the under .500 team’s prospects?
wut
SportsFan0000
Did you see the young players and prospects that the Indians stole from the Padres?!
dixoncayne
Just maybe we should see the deal before we comment.
Nam
Clev got a massive haul. 2 power hitting OF Reyes is only 23 and has 27 home runs
JSC Cubbs
That’s no fun
Bravesfan99
Why would the Reds acquire a player Trammel, they already have?
SportsFan0000
Padres got him
debubba
Puig, Urias and a bullpen arm from one of the two…
Matt Galvin
But they wouldn’t give Urias for Noah so a SP must be going back to Oadres worth him. Stamman is deal maybe or Yates or Reds Closer.
DTD
The Reds have a solid top 3 now in Bauer, Gray, and Castillo. A couple of solid off-season moves and they could be a threat next yr.
ntorsky
Two of Mahle/DeSclafani/Wood rounding out that rotation makes it pretty damn good. If they can add a middle of the order masher they will be scary.
iggystrummer
From what I hear, Puig liked his time in Cincy. Wouldn’t be surprised if he resigns; he was starting to groove it in that ballpark. Not up in arms over the loss of Trammell; he is still just a prospect having a mediocre year. It is so hard to get pitchers to sign with Cincy so I do not fault them for this. They actually have an OF surplus with Ervin.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
I’ll wait to see the final deal to render judgment but…the odds of this deal making sense for any of the teams involved seems low at this point.
DTD
Made a lot of sense for Cleveland actually considering they have solid pitching and multiple needs in the OF that has now been addressed. The Reds are set up for a very good rotation for the next few years and clear out a crowded OF. The Padres get a top prospect while also clearing spots in their outfield. It’s about as close to a win-win-win as it gets.
Dicka24
Indians get Puig according to Joel Sherman, They better be getting a lot more. If not, wtf.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
Puig is still playing RF at this moment.
Nam
They did
MHanny17
I think the Padres are getting Trammel
Breezy
Jesus
nymetsking
I assume to the Padres??
amk3510
These teams think this is fantasy baseball
bigstein09
Really wanted him to go to the Yanks just to annoy Francesca.
reno24
the reds feel they can compete next year and they know pitching is what they need. their offense is fine, haven’t had pitching in forever. I get jt
dbacksfan22
Actually they have one of the best pitching staffs in the MLB and have scored the 2nd least runs in the NL
lefty58
The Orioles should be in line to get Syndergaard next.
2012orioles
For real. This is crazy
Nervehammer
I like it for the Indians. They’re outfield will be vastly improved
RoyalsFanAmongWolves
As the Royals fan this makes me really happy. No more trevor in the AL Central & the Royals won’t have to Face him again until like 2021
IBFarr
Finally
rb74
Um, not sure he’ll get a great reception in Cincinnati. He recently said Pete Rose couldn’t play in today’s MLB.
nymetsking
He’s not wrong. Pete’s not aging well.
sufferforsnakes
And that’s my belly laugh for the day! Thank you!
titanic struggle
Hahaaa!!
MLBTRS
Link? That sounds outrageous, even for Bauer.
rb74
“I would love to see vintage Pete Rose in today’s game. He would get absolutely annihilated. Guys that are striking out 200 times, like Joey Gallo — in 1990 he would have hit 75 home runs every year because he’s facing guys with an average velocity of 90 miles an hour, good command and O.K. breaking balls.”
nytimes.com/2019/06/21/sports/baseball/trevor-baue…
Begamin
woahhh, not where i saw bauer going
theland44145
This means Cleveland knew they could not resign Bauer and this needed to deal him while healthy/pitching well (except for last outing). Even as the biggest Cleveland homer we are not beating Houston or New York this year. Get better for next year and hope for this year
VonPurpleHayes
Wow. Exciting deal. Curious to see everything the Pads got.
bobtillman
It’s a lot easier to throw the ball out of the Great American Small Park……
nymetsking
lol
Vandals Took The Handles
Well bob;
I wrote last off-season when people were making ridiculous trade scenarios regarding Kluber to the Padres that Franmil Reyes would be perfect for the Indians – although they would want far more. Then Reyes had surgery so I pulled off.
If anyone can actually get something out of Puig it’s Tito. Bauer and Carrasco came over to the Indians as know-it-all hotheads. Say what you will, but Puig can influence a game.
Add in that the Indians are great at developing pitchers. Who in MLB couldn’t use another young lefty in the pen? Indians got Hand and Cimber squared away. Allen is only 22 years-old. Maybe he even becomes a spot starter in 2020.
Appears the Reds gave up on Trammel, and the Padres may want to give Renfroe more playing time – plus a few of their minor league OF’s might be ready for MLB playing time shortly.
Indians have quite the organization. It all came together when they bagged Tito and later got rid of Shapiro.
nymetsking
Take that, Bob!
Vandals Took The Handles
P.S.
I never believed the mainstream media’s proposed trades for Bauer, with all the name candidates.
The Indians FO is savvy. I figured if they traded Bauer they’d get under-the-radar players – at least one controllable young player (they got 2), and one veteran that could help them in the 2019 stretch run. They’ve been interested in Puig since the season started.
They have plenty of pitching. Bauer was an innings eater, but he can be replaced. Fact is that Bieber and Clevinger are now stars – even passing Kluber, Corrasco, and Bauer.
_
….and the Indians get yet another LHP to work with, along with a young INF!?!?!?
This may be as good as the trade the Rays made last year for Chris Archer.
WOW! What a front office!!!!! What an organization!!!!!!!!
whosyourmomma
Reds have some solid starting pitching now, Indians got some linebackers for OF/DH and I love the kid Padres got. Kind of weird how 2 head cases were involved in this deal (Bauer & Puig) whereas Stroman was just by himself.
mrmaster1
From Ken Rosenthal (paid subscription)
jbigz12
Franmil, Puig, and Allen for Bauer? Not bad. I’m not a big Allen fan but that’s decent value for a guy you couldnt afford to keep.
seamaholic 2
Can’t keep Puig either, and Franmil mostly just K’s and moves like the Titanic in right field.
jbigz12
Franmil never has to see the field in ClevelAnd. They have the DH slot wide open. Puig slots right in this year. No Bauer hurts a lot in October without Cookie though. I don’t know if Kluber Bieber and Clevinger is enough. It’s more pitching than the other teams in the AL currently have though. This was not a bad deal for Cleveland by any means
sufferforsnakes
Salazar is starting on Thursday.
jbigz12
For how long is always the Q on him though.
cyyoung24
Seems like a pretty good deal all around
MLBTRS
Not for SD
Sky14
Bizarro trade deadline, non-contenders acquiring all the top talent.
bigredsfan41017
What a flop sided trade by the Reds! Fire Dick Williams!!!
iggystrummer
BigRedsFan – see my post above. We have a hard enough time getting pitching to sign. I think we came out ok but Tribe clear winners.
Alsocan anybody tell me why I am double posting?
titanic struggle
If you honestly believe that then you don’t have a clue…
Larry David's Joe Pepitone Jersey
Darn, I was looking forward to more Bauer/Mike Francesa feuding.
jleve618
Oh shiiiii
Dicka24
Franmil Reyes, Logan Allen, and Puig to the Indians.
Vogt83
What’s with the last place teams trading for all the headliners??? WTH???
bigredsfan41017
Reds aren’t last place! They’re in fourth place!
Baytown
What the hell are the Padres doing?
truthlemonade
Right?! Right now the info says they traded Logan Allen and Franmil Reyes for Taylor Trammell. I see no reason to be excited about this guy. He turns 22 in September and is hitting .236/.350/.338 with 6 homers in AA. Kinda good, but not eye popping. I wanted to see more from Logan Allen. I am hoping this deal isn’t over and the Padres get more.
User 2997803866
Y’all are so damn impatient. Unreal
nymetsking
It seems like one of those 3 team trades where one of the thought they were getting a player that was going to the 3rd team.
petersdylan36
I imagine that Tramell doesn’t stay long in SD
Maybe flip him to NYM for Syndergaard
Matt Galvin
I second that because Mets looking for CF. Also Mark Feinseld said on his Twitter Account maybe more in Deal.
FromTheCheapSeats
Trammell is years at least two years away from the bigs.
Two years ago he projected as a potential All Star. That’s flattened out considerably. The Reds sold high on him.
titanic struggle
That is an absolute fact…
dman07
What a haul for the Tribe! Crazy deal. I can’t see a bigger deal going down by 4pm tomorrow.
HubcapDiamondStarHalo
As a Braves fan, I assume this takes Puig off of their radar. I’m okay with that.
RBI
Braves did not need Puig anyway, with the way Duvall is performing.
themaven
Indians could still flip Puig,
Dan Rogers
This some mlb the show stuff happening
Bjoe
Padres got fleeced.
joebugdud
WTF is Preller doing… trading a crucial life force of the Padres. Enjoy baseballs next Papi, Cleveland.
nymetsking
Cleveland is next Papi?
bravesfan
Someone riddle me this… lol
sdhitman19
Reyes is huge and cuddly and hits Homer’s like Big Papi. He is a beast.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
Reds better hope Puig doesn’t get hurt in this brawl Amir Garrett just started…
Melchez
Reds win… get a TOR pitcher in Bauer
Indians win… get two corner OFers in Puig and Reyes and a lefty prospect in Allen
SD eh?… get a prospect OF in Trammell #30 prospect…. maybe?
weaselpuppy
I think Tigers fans would have been ok with Boyd going in a deal and Trammell coming back, both for baseball and nostalgic reasons.
22Leo
If what they are saying is true…then I still don’t care.
Bryzzo2016
What the hell is Cincy doing?!
theland44145
Even if Bauer wins the Cy Young next year I think this return is well beyond even that value
DarkSide830
holy…
MLBTRS
There HAS to be more in this for SD. Otherwise, It makes no sense..
ntorsky
Getting the prospect capital to make a move for Syndergaard?
chemistrynut
My thoughts exactly.
snotrocket
They already had it. Is Reyes so bad on defense that it negates his 120ops+? They also gave away 2 other useful pieces.
bobbyvwannabe
Noah is just dirty tonight.
And I love these big multi team deals.
ChiSox_Fan
Lopez and BP kept Sox in the game. Not over yet. 2-1 bottom of 9th.
Ricky’s boys don’t quit!!
Too bad we lost Moncada before he even batted!
ChiSox_Fan
2nd and 3rd 1 out for Sox bottom of 9th
Timmy batting.
ChiSox_Fan
2-2 still “Goins”
ChiSox_Fan
Xtra Innings.
No win for Thor.
rangers92
Reyes, Allen and Aaron Civale to the Rangers for Mike Minor, Logan Forsythe and Hunter Pence
The Indians end up with the same type of pitcher (minor) for roughly $7 million less next year and get Pence, Puig, and Forsythe to round off their 2019 roster for the playoffs this year.
Nam
Foh tool
rangers92
Ok maybe the rangers include like $5 mill and an OF prospect.
sufferforsnakes
Ain’t happening.
VonPurpleHayes
I don’t understand baseball anymore. I love it. What a bananas trade. It’s been a crazy week.
joeyrocafella
Wow
pplama
It must suck to be a Reds fan.
earmbrister
Riiiight …
titanic struggle
Actually no… I’m quite pleased with this deal, and also the moves they made to put this team together. It hasn’t turned out the way they had hoped, but at least they made the effort. I don’t believe they’re done shopping yet either…
titanic struggle
Not to mention, at this time last year they were 28 1/2 games out…they’re now 6 1/2 with two months left to play and three All Stars at the top of their rotation…
HubcapDiamondStarHalo
When I wake tomorrow morning and check this site, I now have less than zero idea as to what I will read…
Robertowannabe
Lol! Puig involves in a huge fight with punches thrown Bet the Tribe will be happy to acquire a guy who will be suspended no doubt. He won’t let it go and still ranting and trying to get at Pirates.
DarkSide830
wow, Indians made out well despite all the chatter about how Bauer’s arb figure for next year would hurt his value.
bravesfan2707
This is a weird trade for all 3 teams
holecamels35
What are the Padres thinking here? Why are all the last place teams the biggest buyers? This is so weird.
A-A
I assume the Reds will be loaning him out to someone for Sept/Oct under the soccer transfer rules? That would make this make sense for the Reds
kaido24
Padres have to be getting more than that, right?
pplama
Reyes is best in the AL. Trammel has big upside. It’s a good trade. They’ve upgraded their OF depth and are in a position to make another deal using it.
kaido24
I’ll take your word for it.
sdhitman19
I wouldn’t. Have you seen Trammel’s numbers this year. Padres better be getting something bigger than this.
Melchez
Padres giving up another 19 year old infielder Nova. Good eye and OBP. Switch hitter
basquiat
Puig. LOL. They traded one headache for another one.
dewssox79
wow. the reds rotation looks much better.
Henry Silvestre
trammel the best player traded today and it ain’t even close.. he will be SDP edition of Tatis Jr as early as opening day 2020.. #17 prospect Fantrac #30 mlb .. lefty hitting CFer with great On base skills and projectable power.. speed is ++ as is defense… he will fit right in with Renfroe in RF and Meyers in LF.. besides rumors down here is Margot is heading to the Mets as part of the package for Noah??? Stay tuned
titanic struggle
You’re nuts…the kid can’t get out of AA…
Gobbysteiner
Tbf literally only deluded padres fans are saying this
playicy
Told u people they are going to trade Bauer’s, but no no one believes damn me
iggystrummer
I was joking with my buddies when the Tribe was playing Cincy a couple of weeks ago that the GMs were huddled up and discussing a Bauer trade!
TheBoatmen
So SD trades Reyes and Allen for Trammel? Wow
AirGuitar721
I like Trammel, but why give up 5 years of Reyes and Allen for the possibility that 7 years of Trammell turns out to be something more valuable than Brett Gardner.
andremets
Trammel is more like a future McCutchen than Gardner, and Gardy has had a very solid career.
DarkSide830
dear everyone angry at the prior pace of the deadline…happy now?
HubcapDiamondStarHalo
No, not yet…
holecamels35
No, gonna need about 15 more
bobtillman
“Puig currently involved in a brawl”…..
You can’t make this stuff up……
puzzle
Watch this trade fall apart because Puig gets suspended.
allweatherfan
Sometimes the world makes you smile.
everlastingdave
I felt horrible watching the brawl knowing about the trade… But then I laughed and showed it to everyone around me. There has never been a more Puig moment.
pplama
I’m betting Preller isn’t done.
Nervehammer
I also think that if they do end up getting a wild card berth instead of the division, this will help them in a winner takes all format
CobiEven
You have the Padres receiving nothing in this article.
TradeAcuna
This Puig situation is a perfect time to use the infamous “Means Girls” scene where the dude shouts, “she doesn’t even go to this school.”
yewed
This makes sense for everybody except San Diego. I have to think they could have gotten more for Reyes.
frankf
1st Stroman to the Mets, now Bauer to the Reds? Apparently, spoiler ball’s going to a whole new level.
fletch
Good luck with that Cleveland! Puig is a clubhouse downer! It’s going to be awesome to watch you guys lose the division.
earmbrister
Puig has been nothing but a model citizen and teammate in Cincy. He busts his butt, play in and play out. How much time have you spent in a clubhouse with Puig?
Christian Larsen
Puig taking his 2 game suspension to Cleveland lol
Cheeseman Forever
So the Mets and Reds are the biggest buyers of starters so far? Not any of the contenders? Makes no sense
Dbird777
—-Heard 6 months ago.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
Better moment after it was reported a player has been traded but kept playing any way…
Wilmer Flores’ crying or Puig’s brawl?
jonesadoug
Reyes is the steal of this deal.
jpeezy43
Honestly everyone did amazing in this trade.
Kwflanne
It’s not a bad return for the padres, in terms of quality of the player. He’s a very high end prospect. The problem is, they keep talking about competing next season… and they’ve done nothing to address that. Rotation help, bullpen help, figure out a catcher, see if Urias can stick at 2B…..
My fear is the padres will do with trammel what they continue to do with their “top prospects”…. call them up and platoon them.
Ronk325
Seems like a good trade for the Reds and Indians. I have no idea what the Padres are thinking though
Strike Four
SD could have gotten more for what they gave up, but Trammell was almost a top 10 prospect by BP, so maybe its not that bad??
Ronk325
Tramell is nowhere near a top 10 prospect and he’s having a bad year. If the Padres were going to give up as much as they did it makes you wonder why they didn’t trade for Bauer themselves
Strike Four
Puig is still currently on the field with his glove on, after fighting for his teammates who are no longer his teammates. No one has told him he’s been traded. A true national treasure! lol
Amir Garrett ran into the Pirates dugout and started throwing haymakers. Hmmm, racist comment maybe?
fabulous61
A player does not have to come out of a game until MLB makes the trade official.
geejohnny
Racist??? Where the hell did that come from? This ain’t 1947 in baseball.
Show Me Your Tatis
Indians: season OVER!
earmbrister
No, that would be the Padres’ season.
Show Me Your Tatis
Both are true
jbigz12
They now have 2 sluggers in the middle of their lineup. If Salazar and Kluber come back strong they might’ve actually done something here. They’ll need a lot of good fortune to make that happen but It’s certainly possible.
Would the team be better this year if they traded Triston McKenzie and Tyler Freeman for Allen and Reyes. And got Puig for another prospect? Sure, they would’ve. But they certainly still have a shot. Will need a lot of good fortune w Kluber and Salazar though.
Show Me Your Tatis
No team that trades a Bauer-esque pitcher in-season ever makes a deep playoff run. If literally any of their starters gets injured or struggles they’re gonna wish they still had Bauer.
jbigz12
Most teams don’t have the potential rotation Cleveland can still run out there either. They need a ton of good luck I’m not saying that they don’t. But Kluber has been a dominant starter in the past. Bieber and Clevinger are two fast rising starters. Even Salazar is a total wildcard but a potentially extremely effective one. I’ve been highly critical of the Indians but I can see a path.
Show Me Your Tatis
If they were serious about contending this year that is not a chance they would take. If we’re being honest, if not for Bauer they probably aren’t contending in the first place.
VegasSDfan
Reyes and Allen for this guy Tramell?
I’m not sold. Reyes could turn into the one that got away, like Anthony Rizzo.
TeeBallChampion
My thoughts exactly. Hope I’m wrong, though.
Noodle23
A pretty poor return for the Padres IMO, Reyes has is a .250 BA, and 40+ HR lock and Allen is an MLB ready top 100 Prospect. Although Trammell is talented he’s hitting .236. Just think SD could have gotten more/given up less.
Melchez
Syndegaard to the Tigers!!!!
ElMagoN9ne
Might as well. All top pitching going to bad teams. Wheeler to Seattle and Thor to Tigers.
Padres2019ha
Without The Padres/Preller, this site would be a lot less interesting!
Show Me Your Tatis
Have the Padres traded Myers for Bauer or Syndergaard yet?
Megatron2005
Puig didn’t take the trade well haha
Aaron Sapoznik
LOL! Of course, his personal situation seems to benefit as he only needs to move across state and will now play for a more formidable 2019 contender in Cleveland.
ziggydoc
Cleveland 1 Reds & Padres 0
MetsFanaticDanny
Interesting trade. For Padres team that needs pitching, they’re not the ones getting Bauer. Huh…….Wondering if Trammell is going to be flipped with other prospects for Syndergaard??? The deadline just got interesting.
Aaron Sapoznik
This potential trade must have come together rather quickly for Yasiel Puig to even be in a Reds uniform for tonight’s game. It’s especially odd considering the complexity of any trade involving three teams which usually takes more time to develop.
Dorothy_Mantooth
I think it’s fantastic that two of the top starters on the market (Bauer & Stroman) went to sub .500 teams! Both GMs obviously feel like their time to compete is now, so why not get a jump start on next year and also block some of the better teams from improving substantially! Let the overpaying begin for the remaining talent left on the market!!!
JSC Cubbs
You’re a saint.
MrMet33
“The trade is still pending medical reviews, according to Heyman. That’s especially notable considering Puig is currently involved in a brawl in the Reds-Pirates game.”
Do the medical reviews look for mental disabilities as well?
DarkSide830
he makes things entertaining at least!
desertdawg
Reyes has the bat, but he is a liability in the field. He’ll become the Indians DH, where he should be., Heard that Taylor is ranked 15th in the MLB rankings,
Matt 18
I hope they are gonna flip this kid Trammel disappointing return
TheBoatmen
Reyes, Allen and Victor Nova for Trammel. SD just keeps on giving.
JSC Cubbs
No seriously, what are the padres getting for a 40HR+/yr guy and a potential future #3 starter?
Trammel ain’t enough.
BatFliptoFakie
Plus they have plenty of OF. Could afford trading an OF, but why get one back??
Dorothy_Mantooth
I’m willing to bet SD got more than this. The details aren’t final yet. If they are indeed adding Moss to this deal, they have to be getting back another player on top of Trammell. If not, maybe they received a ton of IFA money from Cleveland? Otherwise, this doesn’t make sense for San Diego at all. Since Reyes is a poor OF and there is no DH in the NL, I understand SD wanting to move him, but the kid’s power is off the charts and he’s only going to get better with age. Why throw in Allen & Moss to here? There has to be something else coming back to them.
Matt 18
Maybe the Padres get Mazara idk
TaylorLH
Do it we want some of them sweet prospects
Koamalu
Wow! Preller got fleeced.
Kwflanne
That seems to happen more and more frequently. Maybe not necessarily “fleeced”, but on the losing end of trades. For every tatis/Paddack deals…. there are the pomeranz loss trade, kimbrel loss, brad hand whiff, and now this
nymetsking
This just in, Wheeler to Marlins
DarkSide830
Indians made out royally here. Bauer will make loads next year, (somthing they havent seemed keen on) and thry turn him into a rental OF, a DH/OF of the future, and a superb pitching prospect that could perhaps start in Bauer’s place now.
Melchez
Indians get another lefty from the Reds… Scott Moss. High K rate and decent era.
Grand Salami
If you are going down that path then the Reds get a chance to flip him as a rental next season and recoup a prospect or make him a QO that
Would likely net them a 1/2 sandwich pick in the draft class after next. Paying a guy 16-17 million to throw 215 innings with a sub 4 FIP seems like the WAR price will still be a bargain.
Dorothy_Mantooth
As far as San Diego goes, they have so many prospects in the upper minors that the 40 man roster limit is coming into play for them starting next year. So rather than risk losing a player for nothing to the Rule 5 draft, they shipped out 2 players for a prospect they obviously are very high on. Only time will tell if this will work out for them or not, but I’d expect another similar 2 for 1 or 3 for 2 trade out of San Diego before we reach the deadline.
RicoD
Can you help explain this to me a little further? How does this apply when Reyes and Allen are in the MLB, looks like nova only has 2 years in the minors also. Thanks
Dorothy_Mantooth
They have 3-4+ advanced prospects in the minors who either have to be added to the 40 man roster next year or exposed to the Rule 5 draft. So while they are okay here in 2019, they are in a tough spot for 2020 & 2021 as their next crop of youngsters have enough service time where they can only be protected by getting added to what was, before this trade, an already full 40 man roster. Make sense?
jbigz12
But were Allen and Reyes two of the guys at the bottom of that roster crunch? Dont think so. Trammell is also rule 5 eligible starting next season so this has limited implications for that. I think Preller is just betting on his upside. Allen is a higher floor than ceiling player and we already know what Reyes is. A HR machine w defense and some swing and miss issues.
RicoD
Makes sense, by opening up these 2 spots they can protect 2 of their prospects from the rule 5 draft. Thank you
Show Me Your Tatis
FWIW Trammell does not appear to be Rule 5 eligible until after the 2020 season.
jbigz12
Except Trammell takes one. So you’re down to 1 slot saved. They also traded a lotto ticket prospect who would be the kind of return you would get for trading one of their fringe 40 man guys. This deal was about Trammell’s upside.
Show Me Your Tatis
Trammell doesn’t take one. At least not yet. He’s Rule 5 eligible after 2020.
jbigz12
Yeah he’s got another year. But you still don’t trade Logan Allen and Franmil Reyes if your main concern was 40 man slots. (Or add Morejon early) You trade Robert stock, Margevicius, Travis Jankowski etc. that’s if that’s the case. This deal was about Trammell’s upside. Though I’m not sure I like it from the Padres POV at all. Trammell isn’t a sure fire CF by any means and that’s really the need.
Show Me Your Tatis
@jbigz12 Agree on everything except CF being a need for the Padres. Their needs are starting pitching and to find a way to get Myers and Hosmer off the books.
jbigz12
They could be alright w a no hit all glove Cf who can steal bases. But it’s certainly a position they could stand to improve. Moving hosmer or Myers is much more difficult than that. Who is going to take 60 MM of dead money for myers? He’d probably get a 1 year make good deal in FA for less than a tenth of that.
BatFliptoFakie
Why the friars trading for trammel????
GarryHarris
The need a CF?
SportsFan0000
AJ has lost his mind….
Yarpyarp
yet atkins coulnt get a single top 100 prospect for stroman. what a joke GM
backstage1
I’m sure Wheeler to MIA is next.
Halos2021WSChamps
Kole Calhoun and Bedrosian for Bryce Wilson or Wentz
FromTheCheapSeats
Gotta think the Reds will deal Tanner Roark for virtually anything, now.
kwakdon2
This just makes the Blue Jays front office look even more stupid. Atkins should be praying every single day for the prospects to turn out OKAY.
henry c57
Reyes and Allen for who the heck is that guy? c’mon AJ..
larryb
the fire sale has started
yewed
This is quite a haul for Cleveland. I wonder what Toronto’s thinking right now.
Digdugler
Stro – K/9 7.15 GB% 56.3, 2.96/3.53/4.06 ERA/FIP/xFIP, 2.9 fWAR
Bauer – k/9 10.63 GB% 39.0, 3.79/4.17/4.29, 2.7 fWAR
….. 🙁
letsgobucs
Can someone explain this deal to me from the Padres point of view? I must be missing something.
24TheKid
They just really like Trammel and the only way the Reds would part with him was for Bauer. So this was the only way they could get him.
VegasSDfan
We rarely get the best of any deal.. are we a better team? No
22Leo
It’s just the Padres being the Padres.
bbatardo
Padres been looking for a LF outfielder with on base skills and saw potential in Trammel. High price to pay though.
AllRiseForTheJudge
And just like that, Puig gets into a brawl and probably has a suspension coming. If it’s more than a game I can see Cleveland pulling the plug on the deal and either holding Bauer or dealing him to San Diego for a similar return..
ksoze
What a nightmare of a trade for the Reds. Trammell, Moss, and Puig for a 1 1/2 year rental. There better be more to it
moazetongue
I hear Kevin Love is going to Cincinnati as well.
retire21
Hilarious!
pasha2k
Thank god the Evil Empire lostbout on Bauer.
Brackiss
I’m going to be optimistic here. Puig wants to be where turner ward is. If he resigns with the Reds then this trade looks a lot better for cincy. We end up giving up trammel for Bauer
larryb
hope so Puig has been a spark plug for us
Nam
In my Wade Barette voice…..I got bad news for you.
jvent
How many players are the Indians getting for Bauer ? Jeez
How about Now with the way Syndergaard pitched tonite Syn to San Diego for Trammel,Quantrill,Mejia and Stammen for the BP. The Mets get their CF,C,SP and a BP piece.
Resign Wheeler.
2020 rotation: deGrom,Stroman,Wheeler,Matz and Quantrill
Vandals Took The Handles
Mejia is a stiff.
The Mets have learned their lesson about having an offensive catcher that the pitchers don’t like throwing to.
Dorothy_Mantooth
I had no idea that Reyes is only 23 years old. I thought he was MUCH older. Cleveland really wins this deal hands down! They get two power-hitting, established MLB OFs and a young LH pitching prospect that reminds me a lot of a young Jon Lester (and not just his looks). Salazar is back in the rotation this week and Kluber isn’t too far behind him. While Bauer is a tough piece to lose, I can’t see any other team improving themselves more than Cleveland just did. They might now have enough offense to compete with HOU/NYY/BOS/MIN in the playoffs. And a rotation of Kluber, Salazar, Bieber and Clevinger is probably the most complete staff in the AL. Welcome to the show Cleveland…great job!!!
jbigz12
Well he’s 24 but I don’t think it mattered much if he was 26 or 24. He’s still going to be a DH. They did very well here though.
Vandals Took The Handles
Reyes reminds me a lot of the young Edwin Encarnacion.
He may be moved around a bit on defense and do a lot of DH’ing. But ignore the K’s and look at the run production.
Do you realize that the Indians are in a pennant race batting Jason Kipnis clean-up?
spinach
Nova has no record of being signed on -ref.
A-A
He’s hitting well in their low rookie ball. Looks like a good lottery ticket
bobtillman
Every time I flip onto the site, the Indians get another player….no one in Cincy or SD is safe……
Looks at first glance that the Indians did pretty well here…..
Vandals Took The Handles
bob;
Replied to you elsewhere.
At first glace the Indians got 3 players for Bauer and that was a steal.
Now they have 2 more – including a young left-handed pitcher to work with. The Indians develop pitchers better then any other organization in MLB.
This trade sets them up well for the next 3-5 years.
Unbelievable!
sufferforsnakes
Indians are raking it in on this trade. Two power bats and 2 left-handed pitchers, plus the prospect? Damn!
bbatardo
Indians did amazing for what they got for Bauer.
Nam
Cleve has the best front office in all of sports
mf mike
So the padres just get 1 prospect from the reds ?? I guess I’m confused
downtownizm
I don’t see how Puig was in the game considering he was part of this deal which was clearly already in motion. this just doesn’t make sense. The Reds get rid of a great vet who plays hard and a top mlb prospect for a nutjob pitcher, who make no mistake can be unhittable at times, but wait til he starts giving up bombs at Great American Ball Park on a bad day, it will he Dibble all over again. Fans getting broken bones from temper tantrum flying balls. this trade is weird. If the Reds can keep Alex Wood, then their possible 1 thru 4 starters will be nasty. of course we won’t have anybody to play outfield now, but whatever.
sportsnut969
if rumors are true Indians end up with 5 players.
3 from the Padres & 2 From the Reds
Wow
RicoD
Padres gave up Reyes, Allen and nova for trammel?! Doesn’t make sense at all. Even straight up for Reyes, I can’t imagine trammel putting up the numbers Reyes is within the next 2-3 years.
A-A
He is a top 30 prospect. That system is so stacked
alexryanperry
Reyes just can’t play defense. He absolutely needs to be a DH.
Trammell has the potential to be a very good CF so that will need to happen if this trade makes sense, however.
casey21
Trammell does not play cf
jvent
It’s just another player to add to a Syndergaard deal with San Diego lol
downtownizm
Trammell is twice the athlete that Reyes is.
Cam
And half the hitter.
SportsFan0000
Even dumber than the Blue Jays deal
22Leo
Only Puig gets traded right before he gets involved in a “brawl.”
downtownizm
I’ve never heard of a player involved in a trade not being pulled out.
Show Me Your Tatis
I like this trade best for Cleveland. It’s a worthy haul for a year and a half of Bauer. They should probably try and flip Puig to someone else now tho. Cuz they aren’t going to make the ALDS this year without Bauer.
Looking at the Padres side of this, it’s probably an overpay if Trammell is all they are getting back. The Padres really didn’t need another outfielder. And I have a bad feeling about losing Victor Nova, even if this is my first time hearing his name.
Reds look like they are finally learning from their mistakes and cashing out on their rental trade chips. Still have to make the playoffs next year for trading for Bauer to have been worth it for them.
titanic struggle
The Reds offseason moves were NOT a mistake. On this date last year the reds were 28 1/2 games out of 1st place…now they are 6 and a 1/2 out…
believeland
Indians look great with this trade. In their two moves they’ve solved all of their big issues. More offense. More bull pen depth (though another good arm would be nice). solved some pay roll issues. Moved from what might have been the deepest rotation in baseball.
This trade doesn’t look bad for the Red ether. Not sure what the Padres were thinking though.
Brackiss
Another thing to consider is turner ward still being in Cincinnati. Puigs likely to rejoin him. Then reds basically give up trammel for Bauer.
raulito23
Realmente no se por qué San Diego hizo ese movimiento ya que Franmil Reyes pasará de 30 jonrones y con posibilidades de 40 por j. Joven que si bien roba bases,batea dobles,triples, su promedio no es muy bueno y está temporada esta muy mal
downtownizm
que?
TeeBallChampion
He said this trade sucks and makes no sense for the Padres, and I agree.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
What I love about this deal is that after the Pirates traded Cutch and Cole, so many of the “fans” declared that they were going to root for the Cleveland Indians (confused yinzers) because the Indians “want to win” and don’t trade their good players.
They lost their minds after the Pirates traded two months off of a lousy 2016 team that was going nowhere for Vazquez and Taylor Hearn. Now their adopted bandwagon team trades it’s All Star pitcher while in contention with another year of control.
Note, not criticizing the Indians for the deal. I think they did well (more so than Cin or SD) based on the quantity alone. But the irony of the “fans” logic is amusing to me.
Show Me Your Tatis
No team that trades a pitcher of Bauer’s caliber in-season ever makes a deep playoff run.
Vandals Took The Handles
Watch…..
Show Me Your Tatis
Plan on it
IjustloveBaseball
Indians did great here on paper–addressed their need for more offensive punch, and also added some potential future assets. This is the type of move that can help an organization avoid having to tear everything down eventually.
sufferforsnakes
Do the Indians now work a deal with Atlanta for Puig?
Nam
Yeah Puig is too stupid to be on Clev honestly. One thing about the tribe, they are a High IQ team from top to bottom. Puig really doesn’t fit.
28cf
Called it
jorge78
318 comments in 24 minutes!
Is that a record Connor?
GarryHarris
The Padres gave up allot for Taylor Trammell.
Baytown
Ridiculous.
redsfrontoffice
I like this trade for the Reds.
titanic struggle
Ditto…
Jeff Zanghi
Something significant is still missing here right? Unless I’m reading it wrong it currently says that the Padres are sending out Reyes, Allen and Nova for Trammell. I know Trammell is a decent prospect but there’s no way he’s worth all 3 of those guys right?
IjustloveBaseball
Yeah, wait, am I missing something? That seems extreme… lol
Goetta
I love all of the blowhards that are bitter their team didn’t land Bauer and are calling this questionable. The Reds gave up Puig who is a free agent after this year and Trammell who is undoubtedly a really good prospect… that has struggled this season at the AA level and seemingly taken a step back. Plus Trammell is now blocked by Senzel who was rated a better prospect and has transitioned to CF nicely. No doubt, Cleveland made a haul and got better, have a good staff still especially when Kluber comes back. Reds did this for next season where they now have one of the best rotations in baseball and used an asset they were going to lose anyway to gain Bauer. Mind you the Reds traded Homer Bailey to gain Puig. Reds will flip Roark and possibly others to retool their farm in areas of greater need. Since Yankee fans seemingly know very little about the real baseball world, there it is for ya.
Hanawi
As a Reds fan, I absolutely hate this trade. 6 years of control of Trammell alone was worth more than Bauer, to also give up Puig (who they could have given a QO to) and a decent pitching prospect is just inane for 1.5 years of a guy who has pitched like a number 1 starter for exactly one year (and it isn’t this one). Reds are morons and deserve the inevitable last place finish again.
jopeness
As a Yankee and a baseball fan, I think this is really a well done trade all around. Each team got what they needed whether its for now or later. The Padres are a little suspect considering they have such a deep farm system to get a AA guy with name recognition. Reds signed Puig in hope to do a deadline if needed and that strategy played well. Indians trade a slight headache and got a lot of now and later, keeps them in contention while getting a few prospects.
ElMagoN9ne
Amir Garrett is hothead to say the least
A-A
The Reds shouldn’t take lessons from the Mets.
They are 3rd to last in the NL in runs scored and just traded their best position prospect for 1 year of a pitcher and a chance to finish 4th in the race for a wildcard.
redsfrontoffice
That’s pretty sad when trammell is our best position player prospect !
Cincyshawn
Please tell me we got more …
Puig Moss and Trammell for Bauer wtf…
We have to extend him for this to make sense…
A-A
You can QO him and get a 40-45FV back
If he really want to go year to year if may be tough for him to get a 1 year deal under the QO. You may get him to sign it and have him for 2. A lot of IFs there
Hanawi
Reds could have QO Puig, though. So that’s basically a wash. Reds front office is terrible. They gave up two prospects who would probably be top 5 in their system when they acquired Puig to begin with.
downtownizm
the Reds did not give up 2 top 5 prospects in the Puig deal. Jeter Downs has played well. It was basically the Dodgers dumping Kemps $ under luxury threshold and the Reds dumping Baileys horrible contract.
Goetta
Nah baby nah. If you think Jeter Downs (4 years away from MLB at best?)would be top 5 prospect for Reds you are mistaken. Gray was a loss for sure, but also a long ways off. And BTW, Reds also got Wood, Farmer and Kemp as well while shedding Homer Bailey’s 20mm plus contract in that deal. Top of the rotation starters don’t fall off trees and the Reds now have 3 including maybe the best pitcher in the NL. Name 2 other aces in the NL central. You can’t. Pitching wins championships and if a team plays in Great American smallyard you better have horses in your rotation.
jbigz12
Jeter Downs is in high A. Even if you had him projected to move through the minors at a snails pace he’d be big league ready in 3.
mfdesquire
Yes — and no.
Today, Gray would be be top 5; Downs top 10. Before the trade, they were 9-12 in the Reds’ prospect list. Downs is having a better year than he did last year; Gray, though, is having a monster year, and has shot up the prospect lists.
Still, Downs is in high A ball, and Gray is in A ball. That a long, long way from the bigs. There’s no guarantee at all that either one will ever make MLB, much less be a good MLB player.
And you forget that the Reds got someone other than Puig, Wood, and Kemp in that deal. Kyle Farmer has been a decent bench piece for the Reds, and he can play all 8 positions. A handy guy to have.
Hanawi
Downs has better numbers at the same level as India. And plays a premium defensive position.
Hanawi
Gray is now in AA. He might be up as soon as next year.
cbwalradth
You must not watch baseball if Bauer and sonny gray are aces! Aces of a terrible pitching division maybe. Reds have moved downs, Gray, trammel, and moss for a year of Bauer and Kyle farmer and ate 10 million dollars in salary in that dodgers trade with the salaries they took on over homer baileys…
mfdesquire
They did not eat $10M in salary. They were even; remember the Dodgers sent a bunch of money over in that trade.
The trade with the Dodgers did not work out. I think the Reds figured they could always trade Wood at the deadline for some good prospects. His injury killed that.plan royally.
Still, they’ll have a lot of money available next year (Roark, Wood, Kemp, and Scooter come off the books). They’ll need a middle infielder, a power hitting OF, and a middle reliever or two. They’ll probably have $50M to spend.
Goetta
One other thing to note is Downs is a 2b and Senzel has him blocked assuming they move him back to the position. If not they have José Peraza who is really young and a former top prospect w Atlanta/LAD… and they drafted a few Downs clones this year and also have Jonathan India who was a top 10 pick last year. I agree with your correction of my timeframe to MLB to a degree but it’s also a logjam in their system.
Goetta
You must not read well, I didn’t say ace. I said top of rotation. Sonny and Castillo are all stars and Bauer would be the best starter on any other team in the central. Is that better?
earmbrister
Downs will most likely play 2B. India is the one who plays a premium defensive position: 3B.
Hanawi
Downs has played SS all year in the Dodgers system.. Peraza sucks and there is a reason that both the Dodgers and Braves gave up on him. He has no plate discipline and his fielding is below average.
22Leo
Planning on Wood not being injured is not good planning at all. The Dodgers knew what they were doing with that trade, the Reds did not.
ksoze
Right, it seems like a horrible deal for the reds. Hopefully they did extend him, or we are getting another piece
Show Me Your Tatis
Bauer has said MULTIPLE times he’s not signing an extension.
Dr Obvious
Indians did great – Reds do well if they extend Bauer – Padres win worst trade of the year award
Show Me Your Tatis
Bauer has said MULTIPLE times he’s not signing an extension.
Henry Silvestre
AJP and his staff are as good as they come at evaluating minor league talent.. this kid Trammell is going to be terrific in SD as earlybas next yr..his defense alone as well as Renfroe and Myers flanking him will save the (Reyes/Myers/Renfroe 2019) the current OF 20+ Runs in 2020..Trammell is a GG caliber defender with great On base skills and power scouted grade is 50 so projectable ..and he is a lefty.. I think the Pads did quite well ..Allen projects as a #5 and Nova is a non issue at the moment.. Reyes knees and size scream DH and he should be a goid one..but Trammell can easily be a 3 WAR player soon and Reyes is like a 1 WAR pllayer in the OF…
99socalfrc
Preller has to be the most teflon MF’er ever. He just traded the last busted up piece of his Kimbrel deal. Asuaje wasn’t even good enough for Korea, Guerra sucked so bad at hitting they’ve turned him into a reliever & now after 4 years of waiting for Allen they trade him for a shiny new prospect.
He’s broken the rule of trading 2 MLB players for 1 prospect now two years in a row. How is Cleveland liking those bullpen arms he sent them?
Yet still everyone thinks this guy is a genius?
mrpadre19
Padres starting CF Manuel Margot says hi!
Show Me Your Tatis
“AJP and his staff are as good as they come at evaluating minor league talent”
Trea Turner says hi
nowheretogobutup
Who needs Turner we have Tatis, Turner is injured more than on the field so no loss there. Now if the Padres get a SP before 3 pm today
Show Me Your Tatis
1. There was space for both.
2. It’s been just over 4 months since Fernando Tatis Jr. made his major league debut and he’s already spent more days on the IL due to non-HBP related injuries than Turner has so if anything Tatis is the one who is “injured more than on the field.”
nowheretogobutup
You may eat your observation in two yrs. Trammel will be an All Star and Allen and Reyes will not be I’ve watch Allen and Reyes daily(way too many K’s and slow a foot cant field at all) Allen at best a middle relief guy
Gobbysteiner
Hahaha
downtownizm
I don’t think Framil Reyes is involved. I’m also not sure this trade is anything more than some chatter.
Nam
Well you’re a dummy so it’s irrelavent what you think. Deal is done
cbwalradth
Reds trade their top prospect and # 12 prospect and puig for 1 year of Bauer?! They can’t hit already and now you trade 5 years of your best prospect for your #3 pitcher for Ah year… reds gm’s including and since jocketty are abysmal!!!
redsfrontoffice
Bauer is the best player in this deal and if the reds are out of it by the deadline next year then I’m sure he can be dealt for something better then the 2 players we traded for him
cbwalradth
Reds traded their top prospect and top 5 pitching prospect for 1 year of a pitcher no better than tanner toark!
Dr Obvious
You have to be thrilled when your team give up two players making no money who are better than the one guy you are getting back plus you throw in a 3rd player just for kicks… Go Padres!
fabulous61
For those of you saying that Puig had been traded but remained in the game, that can’t happen. The reason he remained in the game is because MLB had not made the trade official. Once a trade is made official by MLB any players involved must immediately be removed from the game once their manager is notified of the trade. Paul Byrd made a statement during the Braves game that deals that were agreed upon could be completed after the deadline but that is not true this year. AA was in the booth with Chip Caray one night last week and he said that this year’s trade deadline is different and that all deals have to be completed and the paperwork in the commissioner’s office by 4pm ET. He also said that any team interested in players must have physicals and stuff like that already done by 4pm ET.
CJ81
someone help me understand the padres end? they lost a young power hitting OF for a diff OF prospect, but had to give up more players to do so? wtf?
SportsFan0000
AJ Preller and the Padres got hosed big time,
jvent
By 3:59pm tomorrow the Indians are going to get 25 players in this trade and trade 24 of them to the Mets for Wheeler lol because all they really wanted was Puig lol
CKinSTL
This makes absolutely no sense. There have to be more players going to SD… Right?
This would just be an amazing deal for the Indians. Not only do you get Reyes and Puig for this year and replenish the farm a bit.. but you trade Bauer to an NL team that probably isn’t making the playoffs.
Jeff Zanghi
The Padres are giving up Reyes, Allen and Nova all for Trammell? That seems awfully steep… I mean Reyes is only one year older than Trammell and obviously has a lot more power, Allen was a legit pitching prospect up until struggling this season – but still he’s averaging better than a K/Inning and while Nova kind of just a throw in he’s also tearing up Rk pitching at the moment as a 19 year old.
Either something is missing (another piece to the Padres) or the Padres are really, really high on Trammell – and in my opinion are significantly overvaluing him.
phillyballers
This trade looks terrible on face value for the Padres.
Digdugler
I wonder if the Jays contacted Cincy…
jvent
San Diego didn’t need an outfielder they need pitching so the only sense this makes is that they got Trammell to trade with others to the Mets for Syndergaard.
CKinSTL
In June of 1994, the Indians selected Russell Branyan in the 7th round.
Branyan traded to CIN for Ben Broussard
Broussard traded to SEA for Shin-Soo Choo
Choo traded to CIN for Bauer (+ Shaw and Albers)
Bauer traded to CIN for all of these freakin’ guys
Not a bad haul for Russell Branyan..
mfdesquire
The Choo trade was a 3-way trade with CIN and ARI. The Reds sent Drew Stubbs to the Indians and Didi Gregorious to ARI. The D’backs are the ones that sent Bauer, Shaw, and Albers to the Indians.
CKinSTL
Yes, I was referencing the adds/subtracts to the Indians so I didn’t mention the 3-way part. Bauer now has now been involved to two three-way trades involving the Red.. crazy
Briffle2
I wonder what type of numbers Branyan would put up if he was just starting his career. He was born a generation too soon.
User 589131137
Hoping this latest brawl gives Antonetti & Co a reason to back out now. Neither Puig, nor Franmil Reyes are good enough return for a the controllable arm that is Bauer.
Nam
Whatever dummy
fieldsj2
Wow! He’s controllable for one more year after this season. He’s also made it clear he’s testing free agency. Not to mention he just pissed off all his teammates. I’m a Reds fan and absolutely hate this trade. This was a great trade for Cleveland!
Jeff Zanghi
I think this is a great trade for the Indians both now and in the long term. They have SP’s coming back from the IL soon to fill the gap left by Bauer, they get 2 RH slugging OF/DH’s and 3 prospects – one of them being Logan Allen who with the exception of this season has been quite impressive in the minor leagues with great K/9 numbers and solid ERA’s. Going forward they’ll have Reyes, Allen and Moss as potential long term building blocks and also get a 19 year old lottery ticket IF who’s hitting .320 right now in his first full season of Rk ball.
The only part of this deal I really don’t understand is what the hell the Padres were/are thinking. They gave up a small fortune for Trammell who’s hitting like .230 this season and has never really put things together and is only 1 year younger than Reyes.
A-A
The Padres use MLB Pipeline and they are killing it there
Magnum
Padres aren’t done yet.
Selkies
Surely the Padres got more than Taylor Trammell here, right? Am I missing something?
jeffmaz
No you aren’t missing anything…sadly for us Padres fans.
BDT
Weird flex by the two non-contenders but ok?The Indians did a burglary here.Kluber is coming back in a few weeks and traded Mr.Centerfield who the whole organization was tired of dealing with.There was no way TB could come back to that clubhouse and the Tribe sold him at full value.The bad teams keep getting worst and the good teams get better not because of money it’s because of smart and stupid
VegasSDfan
It’s rare when we Padres fans are happy with a trade.
I can see Reyes or Allen, but a 3 for 1 is ridiculous for a guy that has not shown anything in the minors
jeffmaz
I am baffled too but Trammel has hit well until this year in AA. He has plus plus speed.
bobtillman
Joe Girardi just opined that he thinks the Reds will flip Bauer……(to Miami, no doubt)…
Finlander
Wouldn’t it be entertaining for Bauer to get flipped to Twins?
TennVol
Weirdest trade deadline ever. This feels like the Jays and Indians getting rid of the two most emotional pitchers in the game because of their perceived baggage. Ironic that the GMs for both are Cleveland centric.
Digdugler
except Cleveland got a haul and the Jays got a light package for a very similar player (statistically) on the same years.
VegasSDfan
Reyes foul tips home runs
jbigz12
No Bauer or Stroman in October. Possibly no Mad Bum either. Who’s going to be the best starter dealt at the deadline to an actual contender? Wheeler? Minor? Kinda crazy.
A-A
So far it’s Smyly
jbigz12
Well let’s hope it gets better than Smyly, Lyles, and Vargas. Id take Lyles out of those 3. Though if you went w any of them I couldn’t argue.
Polish Hammer
Nice haul for the Tribe and now they add Moss too? Excellent!
Pickle_Britches
Wow 433 comments. The most I seen on here in a long time.
I’m ready for more trades. Small teams are splashing, big teams picking up avg players lol
terry g
San Diego must of really love Trammell but they are facing a 2020 40 man roster crunch so that might have been a factor.
The Reds got Bauer who San Diego fans wanted if they couldn’t get Noah.
Cleveland got 2 power hitting OF’s(one who will DH) an in field prospect and 2 future starters that’s a win in my book.
Selkies
As a Sox fan, I’m glad we don’t have to face Trevor Bauer anymore but I think the Indians got better in this trade. Yasiel Puig & Franmil Reyes bring *a lot* of pop.
Sleeper
Genuinely don’t understand this one from the Padre’s perspective. Even if you spin it as “they’re not done, this could be part of a bigger move”, that doesn’t change this deal from looking pretty puzzling for them. Making a good trade after a bad trade wouldn’t change the fact that the bad trade happened to begin with.
Wolverines2
Unless the “bad trade” made the “good trade” possible…
fieldsj2
Being from Cincy and a fan of both of are teams is like getting an enema everyday of my life.
lambeau gang
Is it just me, or did the Padres come out of this deal quite badly?
Magnum
If they don’t make a bigger trade tomorrow that was set up by today’s trade, yes they look bad.
Yankeefan1998
Your team gave up too much for a AA outfielder hitting .230, with a weak arm.
PadSquad.619
You mean the guy who would be your teams top prospect?
ksoze
Same with the Reds, there has to be something or things not reported, or the Indians just owned the Reds and Pads
Yankeefan1998
100% agree… still scratching my head on this one…
TeeBallChampion
No, it’s not just you. Cleveland made out like bandits.
towinagain
AS A PADRES FAN WE GOT HOOOOSED! HORRIBLE MOVE.
Yankeefan1998
I would be pissed… I’ve watched Franmil play he’s young and just getting started… Bright future ahead in Cleveland. Tramell is struggling hitting .230 in AA… and displays a weak arm in CF… your GM messed up.
SupremeZeus
Padres might want to expend some capital on pitching sometime soon. Preller must have major wood for Trammell.
debubba
I wonder who they will take off the 40 man? They have four guys coming in (puig, Reyes. Salazar, Allen) and one guy coming off? Who do they send down?
sufferforsnakes
Cookie can be moved to the 60-day IL, Stamets can go away, Cole the same, and maybe Olsen?
Cam
Looks like Preller is back to his self destructive ways.
SportsFan0000
WTF is wrong with the Padres GM?!
He gives up multiple pieces of top rated MLB and minor league talent
and, apparently, he gets back one AA prospect struggling to hit 260?! What is wrong with AJ Preller?!
I tip my hat to the Indians GM who knows how to maximize value and returns for a top of the rotation starting pitcher!!!
As for the Blue Jays GM, WTF was he thinking or not thinking when he made that Strohman deal?!
Mets certainly fleeced the Blue Jays on that one…
ullnvrknw
Padres are turning around and packaging trammel in a Thor deal
ullnvrknw
Morejon and trammel for Thor up next
CobiEven
Nope. Just accept the Padres did poorly in this trade. Don’t worry, you are not the only Padres fan boy that can’t come to terms with this trade.
david steer
What am I missing here? I understand the trade from the perspective of Cincy and Indians, and it looks like they both did well. However, I can’t understand it from the Padres…..to only receive a solid but not elite prospect for Reyes and two solid but not elite prospects….am I reading that right or missing something? Why would they do that trade? How did they get better?
Yankeefan1998
I’m with you… confusing. Padres lost big. Trammel is hitting .230 in AA…
david steer
reading through more of the thread it seems like no one can work out what the Pads GM is doing here. At every level it looks like a big loss for them.
nowheretogobutup
No real loss, Allen is not a SP, Reyes at best is a seven hole guy with no defense and a lot of K’s Trammel on the other hand is All Star potential he’s only 21.
Gobbysteiner
Stop lmfaoo
SportsFan0000
a young “7 hole guy” who is cost controlled for many years and currently has 27 home runs?!
A top starting pitching prospect?
Other very promising prospects
all for a lottery ticket that can’t hit his way out of a paper bag at AA.
Hey, my team wants a deal with the Padres too lmfao!
nowheretogobutup
only because of a hand injury, Trammel will be an All Star in two yrs he’s rated a four tool OF with speed, good bat and fast
Anders21
So he’s fast and he has speed wow he sounds good.
Gobbysteiner
Lmaoo
Nam
What a great package for the tribe
SoCalBrave
I can see how this makes sense for Cleveland and Cincinnati… but what are the Padres doing?
SportsFan0000
taking a nose dive and ruining their farm system, again?!
hoosierhysteria
Franmil will be great DH. He would not have been called up if Cordero didn’t get hurt.
nowheretogobutup
He Reyes has way too many K’s, bad defensively and slow on the bases. He’ll be batting in the seven hole with the Tribe.
Gobbysteiner
Dude we get it you’re a padres fan that doesn’t change the fact that Reyes is a good player
nowheretogobutup
Dude Reyes is a below ave. player, low BA, too many K’s and defensively a liability he’ll hit in the seven hole for the Indians no higher can he adjust as a DH I hope he does he has a great sense of humor laughing all the time, may not like the winters however.
goldenmisfit
Another team going nowhere making a splash. So who says he’s back on the market exactly one year from now when Cincinnati is in the crapper
TeeBallChampion
Get Preller the heck out of here, this is embarrassing. He’s agreed to some garbage trades before, but this has to be the worst. Yikes.
gavilan
I agree with you ,totally.
indiansfan44
This leaves the Indians in an interesting spot. Salazar will be activated to take Bauers spot but now you have to send down 2 outfielders. Would think Mercado and Naquin are safe so who stays between Bauers, Luplow and Allen?
Probably more interesting is they had a full 40 man roster before this move too. With Salazar again taking Bauers spot they will need to clear up 3 more spots still. 1 is easy with Cookie being right about at 60 days since he went on the IL and you just shift him over but the other 2 there is nobody to shift. Maybe we see another trade still for some bullpen help to clear it up.
macrohard69
From a Mets fan, Dom Smith for Mercado? Smith plays 1B, move Santana to DH.
indiansfan44
DH is going to be pretty much held down by Reyes and Mercado is the only guy we really have to play center. The only real spot on the roster I can see upgrading is back end of the pen or 5th starter depending on how things go with Salazar and Kluber.
sufferforsnakes
Smith for Mercado? Hahahaha….. Hahahaha….. Hahahaha!
losrojos
I like it. Castillo, Bauer, Gray, Wood, Disco isn’t a bad starting five. I really liked Puig, he was great in the Cincy community and on the team. This will free up playing time for Ervin and Vanmeter who had both been swinging really well in limited ABs. The bullpen is crumbling though so maybe they’ll try to shore it up in the offseason. I’m hoping Wood returns on a 1 year deal with possibly a player option.
George
I think for Stroman, the writing was on the wall when he yapped about his arb hearing, and it hasn’t got better since. Everybody knew The Jays were anxious to get rid of him, and a lot of teams wouldn’t touch him with a 10 foot pole, no matter how good he was.
Digdugler
That might have been the case except Bauer is absolutely insane and people still obviously really wanted him.
Burgeezy
The thing about smart people is that they seem insane to dumb people…
Yankeesaurus Rex
Can MLBTR please post a clean trade announcement once the dust settles and deals are final? Love the breaking news and updates while it’s happening, but once it’s final there isn’t a succinct recap that’s accurate, have to go to other sites for that
sixpacktwo
Cleveland did great, Reds did OK as Trammel may be a Hamilton, SD, what were you thinking?
bjfan1951
Mike Chernoff: Terry, good news, we’ve traded away a nut job, funny part is we traded him for a different nut job! ha ha ha ha
EasternLeagueVeteran
I love all the comments about elite prospects and Top 100’s. Judging trades right after they happen is ridiculous. The comments about the Stroman trade make me laugh. Let’s see how it pans out in the coming years. Good thing the Mets never traded that “never was and never would be under the guidelines and numbers of the Top 100 rules” Jeff McNeil. Last i looked this morning, he’s leading the major leagues in batting. Numbers dont show you what is in a player’s heart!!
EasternLeagueVeteran
And would the Mets have made that Edwin Diaz deal if they knew he would turn out as he has this season? YOU KNOW they wouldn’t have. “ Ya gotta have heart…..”
timewalk42
No World Series for Cleveland!!!!! You can’t trade your best healthy pitcher and expect to win in the playoff
Wahoo What a Finish!
We didn’t trade Shane Bieber or Mike Clevinger did we? Those are our top 2 pitchers. Oh and we are about to get Kluber back in the rotation as well
JoeBrady
No World Series for Cleveland!!!!! You can’t trade your best healthy pitcher and expect to win in the playoff
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There’s a bit of a gamble here, but don’t under-estimate ow much offense Cleveland just picked up. They were 10th in offense. And Bauer wasn’t exactly lighting it up either.
ArianaGrandSlam
How ironic. His chance of winning the World Series just got a lot smaller like the ball he threw to the bleacher very last.
Polish Hammer
Yeah no Yankee would ever do such a thing
hiflew
So the Padres solution to their outfield glut was to trade a successful big league outfielder and couple of prospects for a struggling AA outfielder. This is about as brilliant as their trade for a top 5 catching prospect, when they already had a top 5 catching prospect. San Diego, don’t ever change.
JoeBrady
Wow! It feels like I am missing something. Cleveland traded away a guy with a 3.79 ERA/4.17 FIP, maybe makes $18M next year, and a bit of a headcase. They received:
Puig
Reyes
Allen
Moses
Nova
lfrient1
His name is Moss, not Moses.
Burgeezy
What are you asking?
JoeBrady
And Cincinnati, in less than one year, has turned Josiah Gray, Jeter Downs, and Taylor Trammell, into 1+ year of Bauer, a good, but a #2 at best?
Downs is #6 in a loaded LAD system, Gray is #8 in the same loaded system and Trammell is top-20ish. For basically one year of a semi-expensive Bauer?
hiflew
They also got Alex Wood. They also got rid of Homer Bailey’s contract. But I guess that doesn’t fit your narrative.
None of those three guys have done ANYTHING in the majors. Trammell is struggling to hit .250 in AA. Downs had ZERO chance of playing in the Reds infield. They had to move Nick Senzel, a much better prospect, to the outfield to get him playing time. The Dodgers farm system is about middle of the pack, not “loaded” as you describe. The #8 prospect in that type of system is probably a bench/bullpen guy in the bigs.
I don’t get why you prospect guys even worry about the major league teams. Just go buy gear for the Hickory Crawdads or the Chattanooga Lookouts and don’t worry about the Reds. You seem to care more about those teams anyway.
TradeBait
lol, hiflew. I could not have stated it better. These posters spouting garbage about something they know nothing about crack me up. Trammell is a light hitting, poor fielding corner OF mirage stuck in AA ball. He might be serviceable someday, but a Senzel or even an Ervin or Winker he is not.
With no trades and an OF of Senzel, Winker and Ervin – totally controllable for 5+ seasons – they have collective BA/OBP of .280/.340 or better at the plate. Two have excellent speed and base running ability. All three have proven they can hit well in MLB. Senzel has proven he can handle CF very well. The other two should get to mid-peer on D. Done. At the lowest overall roster cost imaginable for that level of production.
Which frees money for more pitching and FA’s. If they find a proven CF, they can move Nick to a more natural position of 2B.
The trade to LAD was the key that took the handcuffs off this org. In return they got a really valuable bench guy in Farmer, a rental in Puig that led to Bauer, and an opportunity to see if Wood can fit the longer term plan. That’s a huge win in my book.
lefty58
I’ve got a feeling the Indians doctors are going to find some reasons to veto the trade in Puig’s medical records.
BigGiantHead
Like…getting hurt in a fight last night?
brownbomber
I don’t think Francona will put up with Puig’s bs
BigGiantHead
Good. Puig is a pain and hated by his teammates.
Show Me Your Tatis
Source?
brownbomber
Google it
Show Me Your Tatis
He made the claim. That’s his job.
sufferforsnakes
Wrong.
Yankeepatriot
How do the pads benefit from this trade ? If anything this trade hurts their rebuild
STLBaseballFanSince2020
Speedy OF with a high OBP. Yes please.
BigGiantHead
So…If Puig got injured in the fight last night, will that nullify the trade?
brownbomber
It’ll be interesting to see how Francona deals with one of Puigs childish temper tantrums when he throws his helmet down and flips his bat up in the air for a called strike.
sufferforsnakes
At least that’s not as bad as how Nick Swisher used to act, after watching strike three buzz over the middle of the plate.
Robertowannabe
Plus I don’t think Francona will come ripping out of the dugout to go ballistic on the Home Plate Umpire for having the nerve to call a strike a strike just because Puig pouted and bounced his helmet off the turf behind the plate like he did last night…. Puig should have been run then.
brownbomber
I agree, this has happened multiple times and the umps just look the other way. Ive seen more professionalism in little league.
bobtillman
OK, 14 hours later, and I’m still trying to figure out exactly what San Diego got here……it makes zero sense for them…..
padres2013
They cleared up their outfield for now and got a top prospect, I feel like Reyes is overvalued a lot by fans just becuase he’s a likeable guy. In reality hitters with power, low obp and subpar defense aren’t that valuable and not too hard to come by especially with HR’s being hit the way they are this year.
Polish Hammer
Nice spin, but they failed on this deal.
padres2013
cant say they failed, they traded an OF who ranks 39th in WAR among outfielders and a struggling pitcher who’s ceiling is a #3 starter for a consensus top-50 prospect. Sure they have a lot of control left but their value was never as high as most people are making it out to be
Vandals Took The Handles
Reminds me of Edwin Encarnación at a similar age.
Having a run producer in the line-up is good for any team.
He can play some part-time D (figure they’ll make him a 1B in ST next year) and DH. A perfect complement to Carlos Santana.
The trick is not to look at a player by what he can do compared to other players. The trick is to understand how a player fits with a team and the style of ball they play.
There is a very small percentage of complete position players in MLB today. A very small percentage.
bush1
Exactly, this deal is awful for everyone by the Indians. Trammel’s value has taken a major hit and he may not be able to hit at
all.
hoosierhysteria
Preller is so focused on getting a LH bat…he does this. Surprised we didn’t get another catcher! Never mind LH or RH….can you hit with RISP?
GarryHarris
Often, when a team makes significant changes and even overwhelming positive changes, the team needs some time to get in sync. What if Bradley Zimmer, Danny Salazar, Corey Kluber and Carlos Carrasco return and make a significant impact?
Polish Hammer
Of those 4 only Kluber will be expected to have any impact this season. And early on prior to getting hurt he wasn’t very good by his standards.
GarryHarris
It was purely “What If”
bush1
Reds are as delusional as the Mets. Kinda sad..
Padres Forever
Does anybody think this is a good deal for San Diego? I am skeptical about a guy hitting .236 in AA.
JSC Cubbs
Really hoping the league investigates Prellers finances and squashes this deal.