WEDNESDAY, 10:25am: The Mets took Syndergaard “off the trade market last night,” according to Joel Sherman of the New York Post (Twitter links). While the club is still talking about Wheeler — the Mets “have a price” that’ll need to be met in order to move him — it seems they are now all but closed off to a deal involving Thor.
The roller-coaster ride of the Mets has continued unabated. While the club has a legitimate shot at sneaking into a Wild Card slot, it still needs to leapfrog some other teams to get there. After weeks of rumors regarding Syndergaard and Wheeler — following an offseason in which the former, especially, was batted around in trade chatter — it seems the New York org will attempt once again to build around the former and may even hang onto the latter.
6:42am: There’s still at least some possibility of a deal with the Padres, but it “feels like a long shot,” per Jon Heyman of MLB network (via Twitter). It seems the asking price is just too great at the moment, with the Mets seeking a package that includes “both major league pieces and prospects.”
12:50am: Rival executives who have spoken with the Mets believe a Syndergaard deal has indeed become “less likely,” Robert Murray of The Athletic reports. At least for now, it “appears” Syndergaard will remain a Met, per Murray.
TUESDAY, 11:42pm: Right-handers Marcus Stroman and Trevor Bauer have already ended up on the move prior to Wednesday’s trade deadline. Righty Noah Syndergaard, the most popular player in the rumor mill in recent days, could join them. But Syndergaard expects to remain a Met beyond the deadline, as he told Anthony DiComo of MLB.com and other reporters Tuesday.
“I think I’m staying put,” said Syndergaard, who DiComo notes has been in contact with the Mets’ front office.
The Mets started Syndergaard against the White Sox on Tuesday, which they likely wouldn’t have done if they were closing in on a trade. Syndergaard proceeded to turn in one of his finest performances of the season, tossing 7 1/3 innings of one-run ball (unearned) with five hits allowed and 11 strikeouts against one walk. The 26-year-old now owns a 4.10 ERA/3.48 FIP with 9.2 K/9, 2.49 BB/9 and a 48.8 percent groundball rate in 134 innings.
Syndergaard’s 2019 production hasn’t been as great as we’ve come to expect from him since he debuted in 2015. That isn’t to say it’s unimpressive, though, as it does somewhat rival the numbers Stroman and Bauer have put up this year. Stroman, an ex-Blue Jay who’s now teammates with Syndergaard, netted two decent prospects in a trade over the weekend. Bauer returned a haul to the Indians on Tuesday in a trade that also involved the Reds (his new team) and the Padres.
The Mets would be within reason to hold out for even more than Bauer brought back. After all, compared to Bauer, Syndergaard is younger, several million dollars cheaper, under control for a year longer and in possession of a superior track record. New York’s undoubtedly exorbitant asking price for Syndergaard may wind up as too rich for the rest of the league.
The Padres, for one, are seemingly out of the race. Talks between the Mets and Padres “are completely dormant,” Bob Nightengale of USA Today tweets. Franmil Reyes was reportedly among the players the Padres were willing to trade for Syndergaard, but the Friars sent him to the Indians in Tuesday’s blockbuster.
If Syndergaard does remain in place Wednesday, the Mets could still deal another high-profile starter in fellow righty Zack Wheeler. The 29-year-old pending free agent may be the most obvious trade candidate in baseball heading into the deadline.
Plz twins pull the trigger
You heard the man, he’s not going anywhere. And he should know, considering the incestuous GM-Agent relations in the Mets household.
The mets messed up this deadline with the Stroman trade and yes, let’s go twins! Give them either Lewis or Kiriloff, not both and a couple low prospects
They got stro for nothing lol
Agreed! And then Bauer for such a haul, depends on for which team tho, Puigs getting suspended now
I heard that Puig never threw a punch and if that’s true he’s not getting suspended.
We shall see what the league does
Nothing but their two best pitching prospects, both of whom will be in or around top 100 lists at the end of the year.
This. People read lists too much.
Which is still way less than what Cleveland got lol
anything Kay is not going to be in any top 100 list. he’ll also be 25 on Opening Day next year. Woods Richardson is still too young to decide what he will be.
Pretty much anyone with limited baseball knowledge gives the Mets the advantage on the trade.
Uh, Bauer has more of a history of success than Stroman.
He argued vehemently and TV did not show all angles. It didn’t appear he did anything more. This is unusual with his trade and if he is suspended, it would be fairer to add it to the beginning of next year.
Much better history.
Puig should have gotten tossed earlier in the game for removing his helmet and bouncing it off of the turf behind the plate when he was pouting about the umpire having the nerve to call a pitch a strike that was in the top outside corner of the zone. Manager Bell really was foolish going of the deep end over that good call on the pitch and got himself ejected. Maybe he figured if he went it would keep Puig in the game.
@ fabulous61 Puig kept arguing and re escalating the ordeal. He will get a game or two.
The only one with limited baseball knowledge is your GM.
I can’t believe Mets fans have the nerve to think BVM has the advantage over anyone, lol
No; if you want a Top Starter the Package STARTS with Buxton
I want Royce Lewis, Graterol, Balazovic, and Ryan Jeffers. Thats the haul I would not mind recieving. Ill toss in Nimmo if you can add in Kirilloff as well.
How kind. Would you toss in Steven Matz for Trevor Larnach as well?
Can you be any more delusional lol.
Whatever. Starts with buxton. ROTFLMAO. Happily decline there. Mets are going to realize that this was the best time to get the most for syndergaard if they indeed wanted to deal him. I don’t understand why they don’t just drop 150 mil in his lap and lock him up long term?!?! very strange.
They aren’t going to realize anything of the sort. They are trying to win in 2020, they’ll happily keep him for next year considering he’s theirs through the 2021 season. Stop being hurt.
The Mets are trying to win every year. 2019 was not a rebuild year, or was a go out and win year. Now they traded their top two pitching prospects for a number 3 – and they are going to win in 2020?
Teams wanting players for a song are delusional.
Lol & a top starter starts with Buxton. This is something that supposedly the Mets through out and their dopey fans bought, hook line and sinker, as if any team in the history of baseball has traded away their starting center fielder, and one of their highest war players, in a “buying” year. You look foolish
Scrub teams trying to sell wanting core pieces of current competing teams are even more delusional
Kay would be LUCKY to be considered a #3 in a good rotation.
SWR is in A ball,
Stroman is a 2 in most rotations and is controlled thru 2020.
So yes, with the addition of Stroman and the Mets holding onto the their starters, they are absolutely better equipped to compete in 2020.
Exactly. No playoff bound team trades a key major league player at the deadline…except for Cleveland, yesterday.
Don’t have to for 2+ years – Why Don’t you try developing some pitching????
Not the same at all, Cleveland saw Bauer as extra in a position of excess, and was actively shopping him. That comparison doesn’t hold an ounce of water to trying to demand a team give up one of its core pieces as an asking price when you’re trying to sell.
Top two pitching prospects who are not highly rated. Both are back end starters.
Woods Richardson is in A Ball. He’s ceiling is much higher than a back end starter. Kay wasn’t a real big loss but SRW is to be determined. They got the bird in hand w Stroman for sure though. But none of us know if the rest of the team is good enough to win next year.
So clueless. Stroman “is controlled” for a whale year, lol
If I said before this year, who do you want wheeler or stroman you would of taking wheeler.
So in 2020 they will have the same rotation except you are replacing wheeler with stroman, lost vargas and have an empty farm system.
But your some how better equipped to compete?
Dumbest fan base in the planet.
And after next year they are completley screwed. You aren’t winning with a bad roster and no farm system. You think they win 75 games a year because of bad luck?
No way Twins should pull the trigger regarding any trade with the Mets !!!!
So Syndergaard to the Dodgers confirmed.
Only if they get Will Smith,May and either Verdugo or Pederson
Wheeler will get traded but Thor will stay put
I think they both could stay. With the momentum they have, Wheeler could be your own “rental” without making a trade and you can use a QO on him.
Who would accept the QO before the ink dries.
That’s pretty win win for both sides I’d say. Wheeler is pretty good at baseball
Would he though? With his injury history he’s likely to accept a lower salary for years of security. This has been a great year for wheeler and should get offers. Why risk another year when he’s that much older too not have the security of a free more years on his deal? He may very well take the QO but idk if it’s a slam dunk
I’d be fine with Wheeler accepting a QO. it’d be a little bit of an overpay, but you are going to overpay on the free agent market too.
it’s just not that horrible of an option.
Yeah, take a 2 year $18m instead of 1 year $18m
“this has been a great year for wheeler”
If that doesnt’t sum up the stupidity of Mets fans I don’t know what will
Momentum? Lol, you planning on playing the Pirates and white Sox the rest of the year? If you haven’t noticed, those 2 teams stink and have been losing to everyone latley
the Mets have a frickin powerhouse team if just everyone could get healthy and productive at the same time
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They need to dump that SOFT HEADCASE Diaz who seems to get rattled except when pitching in the obscurity of Seattle
No they don’t. They have excellent starting pitching, Pete Alonso and Jeff McNeil. That’s it. Their bullpen is atrocious. Their defense is awful. Too msny people playing out of position. And now, they have one of the worst farm systems in the league.
People keep drinking the Kool Aid and believing Brodie’s BS, but they’re still below .500.
LOL every team thinks they are loaded. Mets are a very flawed team, look at the model the Braves used for success. Mets look nothing like that. They have washed up aging underperforming veterans all over the field. More than that, what’s the point of having a lights out pitching staff if you’re quite literally fielding a defensive piece of hot garbage behind them? Mets are a poorly run team.
Washed up, aging veterans? McNeil, Alonso, Davis, Rosario, Conforto, Smith (just went on IL) make up 6/9 players on the field. Lol..
Other than Cano and Frazier, who could be considered a washed up aging player?
deGrom, Noah, Matz, Wheels, Conforto, McNeil, Alonso, Rosario, Ramos, Dom Smith, Diaz, JD Davis….
This is just anti-Mets bias without having a clue about reality.
OK, overrated never-will-be players combined with washed up player and a couple of good ones.
That better?
The proof is in the pudding, and the Mets pudding has not tasted good no matter how much they try to claim they do.
Who is a over rated or never-will-be? Can’t be deGrom/Noah/McNeil/Alonso/Diaz.
Rosario turned it around and is playing like a top SS.
Dom Smith and JD Davis are arguably the best bench bats in baseball.
Conforto had a bad shoulder injury and is getting his strength back and having a plus season.
Ramos is a proven top catcher
Wheels is AJ Burnett version 2. He will have 2-3 seasons being a top 10 pitcher in baseball.
Start saying value added comments or you’re just proving yourself to be anti-Mets and not a rational thinker.
Mets are 3rd to last in save conversions. If we converted the league average, we would be 1/2 game out of the wild card lead. If we were top 5 in save conversions, the team would have 63 wins and have the 5th best record in baseball.
This team is not a dumpster fire. It’s relief pitching away from being a top team in baseball.
Maybe the Mets can trade Diaz for a closer
Smith and Davis “arguably the best bench bats in baseball”, “Wheeler is AJ Burnett 2” sounds like you’re just a homer? I think the true Mets team is somewhere in the middle of both arguments.
Too bad Wheeler’s top seasons will be elsewhere, he’s a free agent dummy.
Ramos is a top catcher and Rosario is a top SS?
According to any objective stats they are both among the worst starters at their positions.
But why use stats when you can just be a blind homer?
With all that talent that you Mets fans claim to have (like you do every year), one would think that they’d be winning. But I’m sure some of the Mets fan analytics lovers will find some twisted stats that say that the Mets are actually better than their record says it is.
Let me guess…wins and losses don’t matter?
Those are really good drugs you are on.The Mets have a really good first baseman. Their second baseman is a 250 hitting powerless player who refuses to hustle and is old. Your ss over an entire season has a .7 WAR which is what Didi Gregorius has after playing a month. Your 3b wouldn’t start on 75 percent of the teams in the major leagues.Your catcher has 10 hrs and is hitting a 255 and your 2 top pitchers don’t want to throw to him. You have no startable cf and your 2 corner of are converted infielders.On top of that you have no bullpen. You are the delusional one. You keep listening to the Met propaganda and keep thinking they are a better team then they really are.Before the season.Brodiecalled this team the team to beat and all the sheep Met fans agreed.Wake up and smell the coffee your team just not that good
Haha. Yeah, this.
Wheeler has always been the more likely one to be traded but even his price will probably not be cheap.
Stupid to have ever thought this dude would be traded without a monster haul. With the new trade deadline setup, teams are too gun shy to pull the trigger.
Reality is going to hit him harder than a Pittsburgh Pirates pitcher.
My guess is he’s going to the Marlins
Padres should pass
They just gave up 3 pieces that could have been used as a starting point for a good starting pitcher for a struggling AA outfielder. It looks like they are passing on improving their team all together.
How are you going to sign Machado to a $300 million deal and then trade 2 major leaguers for a AA guy????
Nobody ever knows what the Padres are doing.
Can Taylor Trammell not be a starting point for a SP? I believe he can. He’s still a consensus top 50 prospect in baseball. I don’t believe any National League team was really clamoring for Franmil Reyes to play defense in their Outfield.
Can’t believe all the Padres received back was a struggling AA outfielder. That’s sad. May as well trade Renfroe/Wingenter for Wheeler/Nimmo now.
Verdugo to trip;e A for 10 daze. A little psychic tuning. A week?
“When you have a chance to go all in and move from 4th place in the division, to 4th place in the division, or maybe even 3rd, you’ve just gotta bite the bullet and take it. Besides, if this blows up in my face I’ll be fired next year and wont have to be the one to try and fix this mess. This GM’ing stuff isn’t nearly as much fun as OOTP made it look anyway.”
Brodie Van Wagenen; circa 2019, New York, New York
Next year?
Exactly what he’s doing. He knows if it doesn’t get turned around by next year he’s gone anyway.
So he’s just making one horrible long term move after another in a desperate attempt to win a wild card next year.
After that fails, they will have have no farm system and very few tradeable assets.
Stroman will be a free agent.
Thor will only have a year left thus losing alot of his value.
Conforto with just a year left.
And no depth in the minors to replace guys.
They will do their usual move of signing 3rd tier free agents at their peak value.
The Mets will be Baltimore in 2 years.
The Mets are now the Knicks; an organization refusing to rebuild, with no real prospects, constantly assuming they are just one player away from competing, disappointing fans year after year. Granted trading Wheeler will help the farm a bit, but Syndergaard or even Stroman would net quite a significant return that would help this franchise compete in the near future.
What part of Baty. Allan, Josh Wolf dont you get. Those were very high coveted draft picks. Secondly we have Mauricio playing really good. Szapucki will definitely make a comeback. We have the single A catcher Alvarez doing well. These guys will be up in 3-4 years maybe Mauricio in 3 playing third base. These were solid draft picks. We can work with draft picks and develop them still. What is so hard to get. You have 3-4 years of time still with most of the club. The huge crap of Cespedes contract will be gone by next year as well and Lowries. So salary will be available. Let BVV do what he is doing
I agree 100%. The draft strategy was great this year. Allan dropped like a stone because teams felt they couldn’t match his signing bonus demands. So, the Mets stole him in the third round when he should’ve gone in the upper half of the first round by drafting college seniors thereafter and pooling their slot money to sign him. Getting Wolf and him in rounds 2 & 3 made them feel comfortable enough to part with Kay and Woods-Richardson.
This talk about a garbage farm system is BS. When you have a strong young pitching core in the MLB now, there’s no reason to blow up the entire team to rebuild the system. There’s no reason they shouldn’t try to compete now and in the future.
So you’re saying the Mets will be good in 2023? Doubt it.
Wolf, baty and Allen?
The Mets are in such horrible shape that when they talk about their farm system they bring up guys who have pitched 1 inning each of professional baseball, lol
And a guy, baty, who is hitting. 150 in rookie ball as an older draftee.
That’s pathetic and shows how bad the system is.
EVERY TEAM in MLB has great prospects in rookie ball they just drafted or signed internationally.
Difference is no one talks about them because most fans have the brains to know how few HS top prospects make it, but Mets fans are just that desperate.
Mauricio is playing “really good”
A 707 ops and 36 error place is “really good”
What would bad look like, and he’s in low A ball.
Salary will be available? Degrom makes 9 million this year, after cespedes leaves he makes 35 million. Say goodbye to all the money you thought you had.
Thor, Stroman, matz, Diaz, conforto, Lugo are all getting raises in arbitration.
Wheeler goes bye bye and you don’t have a 5 starter and garbage in the minors to step in for any injuries.
The Mets are going down the Orioles path
It seems like every year, the Braves have pseudo-interest in aces, but end up getting average pitchers. At this point, i would rather have the team miss the playoffs then go after somebody like Roark.
Mets made moves this season that only hurt them. Agyser getting stro, I doubt this team. They playing for next season
Too many people worried about the Mets and trying to act superior because they don’t like them. A lot of upset dads on this website because the Mets took Stroman and likely won’t trade Syndergaard now so their team is stuck. Boo-Hoo
It’s not necessarily about that although I bet it is in some cases. It’s just that the Mets had very clear and obvious needs: bullpen, defense, outfield bat, deeper farm. So they went out and traded propects for another starter. None of their weaknesses were addressexld. Last night, Noah sent a message a struck out 11. The Mets defense stunk it up and allowed an unearned run. The Mets bats were fairly quiet. The bullpen blew the game in the 9th. They went on to win in extras, but all of their weaknesses were very apparent. If they went to keep their impressive starting pitching, what will change next year?
What you are missing is Mets have control over Syndergaard for two more years. The other teams don’t see the same value as the other teams. Mets can easily revisit this in the off-season or next years trading deadline. I see some people getting angry, hey it’s not personal but Mets should only make the deal for what they see as fair value. Mets aren’t here to help your team but to help the Mets. They can wait.
Sure they can wait and Syndergaard’s value may decrease. He didn’t have a great year so far. Big risk for a team not in it.
And my team never had a shot at Syndergaard. This isn’t a case of sour grapes. I live in NYC and follow the Mets regularly. So this is more of a case of not being sure what direction the Mets are going in.
He has such a high ceiling, yeah he may not be at that level right now, and maybe his value decreases later on. But what if’s apply to every single MLB player on every single MLB and MiLB roster. I’d rather keep Noah and bank on his solid past (including ability to pitch in Post Season + WS) than get a garbage package around Manuel Margot…
No offense but they can wait and his value may increase. Looked good last night. Bigger risk is trading low on a 26 year old pitcher. Everything is a risk. I’m betting on the upside.
After today he’s got 2 years, not 3. His value increasing is unlikely.
This is just a clueless organization that can’t admit they need to rebuild
I’m not upset at all. But I do wonder when this gm for the Mets gets fired.
Mets fans thinking other teams are “stuck” is beyond comical
The Cano/Dias trade is a disaster.Dias has Whitsonitus(can’t take NY pressure)Cano ‘s time has passed.With that being said,they just had a great draft(3top tier HS kids )that could bring the farm system back in a hurry.The Stroman trade was a good move for the present and future.deGrom,Thor,Stroman,Matz and ? Is a strong rotation.Trade Wheeler and Diaz ,play out the season and see where the chips fall.Look forward to better seasons ahead
The idea is to win a world championship. The Cubs traded Torres for a world championship. Does anyone think that they regret trading Torres except for a bunch of geeks who value prospects over winning.
Absolutely right
Atlanta’s 11 game lead I’ve NY in the east might indicate that prospect development is pretty valuable
***over NY
Please excuse spelling error Diaz not Dias
He will probably go to Orioles
Mets have the BEST STARTERS IN BASEBALL …. you guys don’t
So either pay up or go LOSE AGAIN
Lol
The Mets have been to the playoffs 2x in the last 13 years including the fact they’re not making it this year, either. You sound awfully prideful in your organization of perennial also-rans.
Must be another “GIMME, GIMME” YANKEE PHONEY
Didn’t know 2015 & 2016 were 13 years ago ….. MUST BE THAT NEW MILLENNIAL MATH
Reading comprehension. Get some.
I’ll bite….he said twice in the last 13 years. Meaning since 2006, they have been in the playoffs twice. (2015/2016) and we all know how those turned out.
I think it’s highly likely Syndergaard remains with the Mets. The Blue Jays showed the league what happens when your posturing gets too extreme, and that’s where the Mets are right now. They’ve scared away teams from trying to negotiate.
Buxton is fine in the trade, if it was an even swap with no other significant prospects. He’s a 3.0-4.0 WAR starting center fielder limited by being made from glass. Buxton comes with an extra year of control and less salary than Syndergaard so if Buxton could actually stay on the field, he would be worth more than Syndergaard on his own.
That said, the Mets know asking for Buxton is really kind of a non-starter from a PR standpoint, especially since the Twins are loathe to ever actually make a move. Maybe it’s the Mets way of saying “You’re the Twins. Stop wasting my time. You talk and talk and talk about how you’re interested in deals. You check in with everybody, waste their time and never get serious about a real deal. Don’t call us. We’ll call you.”
The perception that Buxton is made of glass is unfounded. Buxton’s problem, which can be great if he doesn’t get injured, is that he tends to play almost recklessly in center. He’s one of, if not the fastest players in the game, and his injuries have largely been the result of him slamming into the wall making a catch at full speed, or hitting his head on the turf making a diving catch at full speed. Last year he fouled a ball off his foot and broke his big toe, which didn’t heal correctly, but that’s a freak injury. The guy is a baller.
I don’t think the Mets ever WANTED to move Thor, but would if a team overpaid. Hence the Buxton ask. And I think it’s a good strategy. This Twins fan is not holding any grudges, though it would have been nice to have Thor!
After the horrendous trade the Padres made last night, they almost need to trade for Syndergaard just to save themselves from being an embarrassment. If they trade Reyes, Allen & another prospect just to get another prospect, boy they would need to pony up for Syndergaard. Gore is untouchable. Trade Urias, Margot, Baez & Munoz. If the Mets turned that down then move on.
Good luck to all teams on deadline day.
Why would they need to make a move for Syndergaard? This isnt a year where the Padres are contending…Noah is not an ace…he wouldn’t put them over the top for any kind of contention this year anyways. The Padres didn’t touch any of there recent top 10 prospects but just added another. They really shouldn’t be making an over the top move until it’s necessary…maybe next year…but this year, it doesnt really make any kind of sense.
@Sharocko I agree, I think the Padres “have to” trade for Syndergaard but apparently they are infatuated with him. The Padres have been try to trade for Syndergaard for over a year now.
However, I don’t agree with you stating that Syndergaard is not an Ace. He is absolutely an Ace, his last 4 starts prove it. He has a 1.91 ERA in 28.1 innings with 24 hits allowed, only issuing 7 walks with 36 Strikeouts. Those are Ace numbers. The only reason Syndergaard struggled early in the season was because he didn’t have a feel for his Slider but has since corrected it. Any team that trades for Syndergaard or if the Mets keep him are certainly going to get a beast of a pitcher.
“absolutely an ace”
You made this assertion based on 4 recent starts?
While everyone agrees he has/had the makings of an ace, he’s not durable nor consistent enough to be in that realm
You don’t know what you’re talking about. Syndergaard is an an ace and the Mets are a super team with a great future. They just like to masquerade as a 77 win team to keep the rest of the league off balance.
***don’t have to, haha.
@Padres2019ha I’ll give you that, Syndergaard has always had durability issues but other than that, he is an ace. Period. He is better than any current Padres pitcher. That’s a fact.
Syndergaard looks like a higher ceiling, but less consistent, version of Chris Sale. As far as him being durable enough?
2015 – 29 starts, 179.2 IP between AAA / MLB
2016 – 30 starts, 183.2 IP
2017 – 9 starts, 33.1 IP (tore his lat and only major injury)
2018 – 25 starts, 154.1 IP (strained finger)
2019 – 32 starts, 209.1 IP
He’s in the top 20 for innings pitched this year and 54th out of 207 qualified pitchers in inning pitched between 2015 and 2019 not even including his AAA work before being called up to the big show. He’s been quite durable overall. This is 2019, not 1999 where starting pitchers were expected to throw 180+ innings.
He’s entering his prime and since 2015, Syndergaard has generated the 11th most fWAR among all pitchers in baseball. You can’t get that without a combination of having ace-level results and durability.
I could be wrong…but i don’t think the Padres are as infatuated as you believe.. otherwise a deal would’ve already been done.
Again…maybe if the Padres were fighting for a playoff spot and or beyond…but this isn’t the year. They’re really better off staying the course with their own prospects…to see where its headed while finding out who their true core is besides Paddick, Tatis, Renfroe, Machado, Hosmer, Gore, Patino, etc.
The Astros and cubs didnt start making a push move until they identified the majority of their core…then they made a move that ended up making a move to put them over the top. Padres should take notes…by not moving their prospects until they get to that point…they seem to understand that concept.
Syndergaard makes more sense for playoff cusp teams…the Brewers, Braves, Giants, Washington, etc…but not the Padres…not this year.
If the Mets are asking for too much for Syndergaard, don’t buy in. Wait a year to see if he rebounds to where he’s worth it, or until he continues his downward spiral and injuries, so they’ll be begging you to take him off their hands for far less the asking price.
I’m pretty sure no one is going to be begging anyone to take syndergaard for less than asking price. I get it. you don;t like the Mets, but your posts don’t have much logic attached to them.
I’ll sum it up for you. the Mets aren’t itching to trade a closer that makes $610k or their #2 starter who makes $6M. However, if teams are willing to give them major league talent and prospects for them, they’ll listen. Just because the media has a new article every 2 hours looking for clicks doesn’t mean the Mets are trying to unload players. yes, they are asking high just like all teams do at the trading deadline..
The Marlins have a fan base? Sorry I just can’t, really I am speechless.
Syndagard to the Cardinals would possibly strengthen the Cardinals starting rotation enough to put them in position to win the NL Central, plus give them a stronger top 3 starting pitching staff in a play off run!! Actually with the current starting line up, maybe even a trip to the World Series!!! However, I’m afraid History is going to repeat itself with John Mozeliak involved!!!! I can see Mozeliak not being able to pull off a deal with the Mets for Syndagard. That Mozeliak being Mozeliak. I can also see Matt Carpenter coming off the Disabled List and Mozeliak mandating Carpenter be in the starting line up because of his contract extension. I can see Yadi coming off the DL cold and replacing hot hitting Weiterd. I also see Ozuna coming off the DL, which could be a plus, but will make the Cardinals to have to sit some player who has helped vault the Cardinals into lFirst Pace I the Central.
Padres fan here…Pads can package Reyes and, oh wait, Reyes was given away.
Still disgusted.
Padres might have cracked to the Mets demands if they had a remote chance of making the wild card this year, but their poor July maybe saved them from overpaying.
Mets stole stroman, syndergard only goes if we get exactly what we are asking for; teams want a stud like him but want to low ball who they send; you have to give to get; I hope mets keep wheeler as well unless we can get at least 1 very good prospect in return; if you cant than make him qualifying offer next year and if he rejects it at least we get draft pick comp in return: if he accepts it than we have him for another year and rotation will be solid
@bummy Couldn’t agree more.
You’re not gonna get a draft pick because he either accepts it for $19+ mil or he sits on the market until after the draft.
The Mets would receive a somewhat valuable 3rd rounder for making Wheeler a QO. Not sure what you mean by “very good” but I suspect Wheeler would command a return of 1 top 100-ish prospect. A lot less than Stroman brought in.. which was arguably 1 top 100 (Kay was still ranked top 100 by Bleacher Report) and 1 high ceiling arm who could crack the top 100 if he keeps pitching as well as he has been.
The guys the Mets traded are not throw in players. They’re legit higher end prospects.
Padres and Mets have been talking Thor since the offseason. Mets fans are going to keep Syndergaard after all this bs lets trade him o wait lets keep him nonsense.
That’s one dumb organization well it always have been glad I’m
Not a muts fan
Over priced the starter and nobody wanted to pay that amount. Mets blew a good opportunity to rebuild for next year. Now they are stuck with a unhappy player on a team that is no better next year.
No they didn’t blow an opportunity to rebuild for next year. No one came close to fair value. Oh and by the way, they will have all winter to explore trading him again.
Don’t really understand why you need to put a player in that position all the time.. Thor has been rumored to be traded so many times.. it’s got to take its toll on a player
If he was going to walk at the end of the year, it’d be dumb not to move him, but go for it with DeGrom, Thor, Stroman and maybe Wheeler. Maybe you catch a WC spot this year and are good next. That’s a good rotation. You can sell off over the winter or next deadline.
I am looking forward to the Mets crawling back under their rock after today’s trade deadline.
This should end the Noah melodrama until the end of the season.
BRO-dee got his new marching orders from ownership.
Very happy Mets are keeping Syndergaard. They can always revisit trade talks in the off-season or at next years trade deadline. They still control him for two years. Gotta maximize your assets but you can’t force what is not there.
What
Mets could not get a package of Gore or Patino as the headliner lol. More like Padres hung up and Mets gave up on dealing Noah.
Yup. Padres prospect league champions!
Let’s try to explain this to you so you can understand, although you’re a Padres fan so I already know you’re either stubborn or hate baseball…..
The Mets never WANTED to trade Noah. They were willing to listen to offers. They did not get an offer that suited them enough to part ways with a guy that went out and dominated a team while hearing his name non-stop in trade chatter. Did you see that 100 MPH fastball he whiffed Anderson on last night? If not go watch it and learn what he is. You want a guy that stood up for his team in his rookie year in the World Series, and blows away great hitters with pure nastiness, you pay the price to get him. You want to live in magical what if world assuming a Gore or Patino live up to the hype, enjoy the ride. Tatis looks legit – you really think lightning is going to keep striking the same bottle through the whole farm system? Perhaps check recent history. Heck, Amed Rosario was the consensus #1 prospect in all of baseball when he debuted – that the level of production you’re desperate to hold on to? We could go back to Brien Taylor if you want to….. It’s not The Mets crying that they are stuck with Noah Syndergaard this morning my man.
Padres have two pitchers who throw 100 mph or higher (one of them has hit 102 mph).. What’s your point? Getting Noah today makes no sense. We’ve given away one of our major offensive producers. What good is a pitcher, even as good as Noah, if the team will not support him offensively?
Watch the pitch I referred to. Better yet, go to MLB.com and watch the highlights of last night. The movement on the pitches from the curve to the slider in addition to the filthy movement on the one fastball I was referring to are off the charts. Throwing 100 to 102 is nothing. Pitching at 100 is rare. The guy has better pure stuff than nearly anyone out there. Im not sure what you missed but hope that clarifies my “point”
There is nothing in the Padres system like him. Gore may end being great or a bust but pure stuff? nope.
Goo.d Trading a 26 year old stud under control for 2+ more seasons while he’s in the middle of his worst career season was always a dumb idea. If they didn’t get bowled over with prospects, keep him.
This only means that no team was willing to meet the price that the Mets have set. If someone would call before 4pm and decide to meet it, He will be gone.
With DeGrom, Thor, Stroman, Wheeler…. go get a bat and a bullpen arm and try to make a run. Forget selling… go buy.
Even with the Mets trading away Kay and SWR, they still have a pretty good plan laid out for their starting rotation through at least 2021 provided they don’t trade Syndergaard. Their in an ideal situation where they don’t have more than 2 starters hitting free agency in any one year, with deGrom signed through 2024, Matz and Thor through 21, and Stroman through 20. As long as they don’t trade David Peterson he should be ready to be a rotation mainstay for 2021 so as long as they don’t trade Thor, their rotation looks like deGrom, Thor, Matz, Peterson, X in 2021. By 2021, they will no longer be paying Lowrie, Cespedes, Wilson, Frazier, or Lagares so they’ll have a lot of payroll flexibility to figure out just ONE rotation spot from outside of the organization.
Additionally, I think a lot of the talk about the Mets farm system being garbage isn’t all that accurate when it comes to talk about position players. After all, McNeil wasn’t even a major prospect and Alonso wasn’t supposed to be a possible ROY candidate. All of the Mets best prospects are position players, so in theory the only position the Mets really need to consider signing a marquee FA for is SP. Other than that, they don’t have to break the bank for anything or over trade for anything. Even CF or C as they should at least get replacement level value out of a defensive catcher or a Rosario in CF, and make up for the loss of production in other spots in the lineup with the likes of McNeil, Alonso, Davis, Smith, Conforto, et all
He has a 4.70 era. He WAS great. In baseball that means nothing
That’s about average for a back end rotation guy.
He has 4.70 era? Where did you see that? Career he is low 3s and 2019 he is just over 4. Funny how people just come up with random number to make a point. That claim means nothing.
He has a 4.10 ERA and a 3.48 FIP along with an amazing track record. Not sure whose stats you’re looking at, but they’re not Thor’s.
Yes sir. Washed up at 26. No way he can turn that around.
The Mets are a sorry organization, and that applies to the ownership on down the flag pole. There’s no strategic wisdom in any of these moves, going all the way back to the 2018 offseason. Cano? Diaz? Stroman? Blowing up the farm (as middling as the farm is). I’m beginning to think all of these moves are nothing more than throwing a bunch of crap against the wall and hoping it sticks and trying to get as much media attention as possible. The longer this continues, the longer the Mets are going to be a losing team.
You clearly know little about baseball. There is so much more going on here and only educated baseball people can see it.
Smart move by BVM. If nobody is willing to give you what you want for Syndergaard, better to hold onto him, maybe make a late season run(unlikely) and explore more trade opportunities at the Winter Meetings.
Winners so far of this year’s trade deadline are the Indians & Mets.
Thrilled that he’s staying put.
Don’t be tough guys. Wheeler needs to be traded
Weird how all these fans are dying to get syndergaard and once they can’t he’s not a stud all of a sudden
Side Note: 9 teams currently still talking to the Mets regarding Zack Wheeler including the Astros, Rays & Braves. I would love to see the Mets get J.B Bukauskas & Myles Straw from the Stros. Seems more than fair. If the Mets could get an additional piece, maybe Jose Urquidy or Rogelio Armenteros. But I think Bukauskas & Straw is right on.
If it were the Ray’s, maybe try to pry Vidal Brujan away but that would be tough. Maybe Shane McClanahan & Jose De Leon. De Leon is a forgotten pitcher but he has solid numbers in AAA.
Why do most people think Mets are out of the race? They have 3 back to back weak teams oppo. coming up. If they take 6/9 games, they are right back into the wild card race. With stroman degrom and thro plus possible wheeler in the rotation, I would take that odds Mets will make a post season run.
Substituting Vargas with Strowman will definitely help.
51-55 would be a good place to start.
Padres and Reds helped fix the market that the Jays almost destroyed. Teams are gonna have to pony up for any remaining arms. Especially Syndergaard.
It’s deadline day and Jerry Dipoto hasn’t pulled off a trade. Isn’t that the seventh sign of the apocalypse?
ROTFLMAO!!! For real though.
Well at least now they have thor and stroman for next year too when they collapse like always
Syndergaard must be really pissed…
Quite the opposite. He’s ecstatic.
Sure. “Yay staying on a mediocre team forever!”
Mets need to just take the best offer available on Wheeler. I doubt he declines the QO if it is offered.
Unsurprising, when your asking price is stupidly far beyond reason, you sit on your players.
Hahahahaha…Mets take Syndergaard “off the trade market”!
Translation: No other team sees Syndergaard as valuable as they and their fans do, so they needed to save face and say that they are taking him off the market instead of their demands were rejected because of how ridiculous they were for an overrated guy whose performance and resume doesn’t match the NY media hype.
Next year, if he continues his downward spiral, he gets traded for scraps.
You’re a Marlins “fan” – HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA