Tuesday’s enormous brawl between the Pirates and the Reds has, unsurprisingly, led to multiple suspensions on both teams. Major League Baseball announced a total of 32 games’ worth of suspensions for six players, as well as a six-game suspension for Reds manager David Bell and a two-game ban for Pirates manager Clint Hurdle. All six players will appeal their penalties, while Bell and Hurdle will begin serving their bans immediately.
Here is the full list of suspensions issued…
- Pirates’ Keone Kela, 10 games
- Reds’ Amir Garrett, eight games
- Pirates’ Jose Osuna, five games
- Reds’ Jared Hughes, three games
- Pirates’ Kyle Crick, three games
- Indians’ Yasiel Puig (then a member of the Reds), three games
Fines were also issued to all six players. Joey Votto, Philip Ervin, and Trevor Williams also received fines, as did players on both teams who participated in the fracas despite being on the injured list.
Beyond just the brawl that began when Garrett rushed from the mound to go after the Pirates’ dugout, the suspensions cover a wide range of incidents during the game. Kela received the harshest punishment both “for his role in instigating the bench-clearing incident,” as per the league’s official release, and for throwing at Derek Dietrich’s head in the seventh inning.
There has been no love lost between the Pirates and Reds this season, as reflected in Hurdle’s suspension. The Pittsburgh skipper was cited for not only “his Club’s conduct during the incident,” but also for “multiple intentional pitches thrown at Dietrich this season.” Hurdle still received less punishment than Bell, whose six-game suspension was “for returning to the field following his ejection; escalating the incident with his aggressive actions; his Club’s intentional pitch at [Starling] Marte; and his numerous ejections this season.”
The Pirates have issues with Kela. . . Maybe time to Cut Loose…
Was thinking the same thing. They just suspended him internally.
Trade him for Cash Considerations
Little late for that…
Trade him for a boogah like they did for Dickerson.
You morons just love to jump to conclusions. He disrespected a FO staff member…for what, who knows. He is still a good RP and may even be the closer next year.
Look at his history moron! The Rangers players hated him, called him a cancer. They wouldn’t even let him fly on a team charter because the whole team was pissed at him. He’s ad issues everywhere he’s been. At least know what your talking about before calling people morons…
Amir Garrett, who started this whole thing and charged the Pirates’ team throwing wild punches at everyone doesn’t even get the biggest suspension???
MLB is insane.
I’d argue Kela started it by throwing at someone’s head. And if you wanted to go deeper, I bet none of this happens if Archer doesn’t throw at Dietrich for bat-flipping.
Pirates having been doing this for years. Teams like the Reds and Cubs have had enough.
Joe Maddon wanted Cling Hurdle’s head about a month ago too, maybe not bad enough since he let Joe West stop him, but the point was made…Hurdle condones throwing at players..
Really? The Reds are always starting crap. Dietrich and his bs, but it’s the Pirates huh. Get a grip bud.
Lol, Captain Jack. Yeah, bat flipping is way worse than throwing at someone’s head, isn’t it? Get a grip, bud.
If you think the Pirates are the only team that use the purpose pitch, you’re insane. It’s been a key part of baseball for over a century. This isn’t a limited issue, and it certainly won’t be the last time it happens.
Fake news!!
Reds have been throwing at the Pirates for years and we didn’t have the nuts to retaliate. It was every series with the Reds that they’d hit Jason Kendall… then it was Andrew McCutchen, without fail.
Only pitcher we had that would protect his guys was AJ Burnett. It’s about time we started plunking the Reds. For crying out loud, y’all are the worst about bean balls.
Detrich watching a home run is what you cite for “starting crap”, Captain Jack. Yes that is way worse than throwing a baseball at someone’s head which could end their career or even KILL them. You should be in jail Captain Jack.
To be clear, throwing up and in is not the same thing as throwing at someone’s head. Reds’ pitchers literally threw up and in on Marte two innings earlier. Guess they were trying to end someone’s whole career too?
he should be in jail for commenting on a message board?
whoa hold on there hero, the reds have been hitting the pirates relentlessly for quite awhile. pirates have had the most hit batters for years until a year or two ago…
now it happens to you and now its a big deal right… yeah bugger off
Archer did not throw at Dietrichs head…this is a fact.
No, AJ Burnett did nothing to protect his teammates. The only guys willing to do anything were Watson, Morton, and Hughes. Morton hit someone with the first pitch of the game once in Cincy.
Archer threw AT him though…and what about Suarez’s hand right before the break…your team has been nothing but dirty and Hurdle condones it…trash…
Call BS on that.
Also, we are talking about throwing at someones head is different.
You have no clue what baseball is about maddon is a clown and hurdle after being seriously hit as a player doesn’t condone hit anyone but as an old school catcher they stand on the plate they get hit
you have absolutely no idea what your talking about. The whole league has issues with the Pirates!
Did he hit him? Was he tossed from the game for the pitch?
With him being suspended, MLB basically has said he should have been ejected.
So now we are gonna have new sets of rules that go beyond just being ejected. You are now saying the umps messed up so bad that he should have been ejected and banned 10 games? Does he get 10 games if a fight doesn’t break out AFTER another pitcher charges the dugout? After Hughes hit Marte it could have been over.
The ump did screw up…he should have tossed him from the game immediately after throwing at DD’s head…HE let the game get out of control!!
Considering you wrote this AFTER suspensions were handed out..with him getting the biggest of all..it’s seriously difficult to tell if you’re joking or not..unfortunately I think you’re being serious..smfh..
Archer didn’t throw at him for “bat-flipping.” He sent a message a foot and a half BEHIND Deitrich for standing there watching. not bat flipping. We have to learn to separate bullish behavior with bat flipping. Bat flipping is not bullish, it can be fun. But Deitrich was acting like he’s bigger than Bonds when he hit a second inning homerun. he wasn’t excited, and flipping the bat. Two different things. Dietrich is a heel. He wants to be. Bat flipping can be fun. It doesn’t make you a bad guy. But I think Dietrich likes to be considered a heel. It’s kind of his role and how he wants to feel to be better. That’s his thing, it’s ok. Not a role model, but if he’s effective, he helps you win. You need all types of guys in baseball. But bat flipping has nothing to do with it. That whole situation could have ended after the message was sent.
And you’re a psychologist?! Nice…
I bet none of this happened if Garrett would have kept his cool after Hughes retaliates.
Everyone wants to point at the Pirates but remember Hughes sent a message hitting Marte. It should have been over.
He hit Marte in the rear. Like he was supposed to.
Exactly, issue over. But Garrett opened up a whole new can
I call BS on you.
Did you even read the post? (Don’t answer that)
Agreed. Thought Bell also should have gotten more for everything he did. He should have gotten 10
It’s pretty clear the Kela is the one who started everything though….
You didn’t watch the game, did you? Kela started it by throwing at Dietrich and incited the fight by yelling at Garrett.
Dietrich needed plunked. Dude is a punk that showboats… now he’s hitting 214 and gets hit and wants to cry… deal with it, bro.
You’re an idiot, They hit Dietrich in an earlier series, He was tired of being hit, so when he hit the 3 HR’s against them, He did watch them because that was his retaliation against them. So what do they do, Kela admits to throwing at him, But Huges didn’t throw at Marte’s head, He hit him low in retaliation, Amir will forever be vilified in Pittsburgh, But He is a Hero here, Everyone wants to hit Deitrich, Hell the last series against Brewers he was hit 6X did you see us start a fight there? Sure the Pirates didn’t like it and threw at him, but did they really need to start a fight when the retribution was returned? Pirates are nothing more than wanna be gangsters.
Lmao. So one measly HR he hit in April in which he “showboated” deserves to have a year’s worth of plunkings and deserves to be thrown at his head by the same team? Is this you, Clint Hurdle?
What a clown comment.
CubsRule- Know facts before commenting you moron. You are absolutley incorrect.
Ciepto.
You need to learn the facts before you comment.
I do not agree with what DD did, so you plunk him in the ribs 1 time, and it is over.
YOU DO NOT THROW at his HEAD
mpark: see comment for CubsRule. You are yet another moron with 15% of the facts. Please try again.
Garrett didn’t start it. Pirate pitchers and their management started it.
Keona started it.
Amir just stood up for his teammate.
Keona should have gotten 20 games.
The Umps should have gotten suspended for allowing this to happen.
How is an ump supposed to stop a pitcher before he throws a pitch that is to high? Really dumb statement
He Throws him out of the game.
Then NOTHING happens.
The Reds threw at Marte near his head an inning or two before Kela even got in the game.
If anyone but Kela threw the pitch, we’d be talking about it as the retaliation for the Marte throw, but instead….
Chris Archer started this whole thing … not Garrett …back in April
Garrett was like Ron Artest the other day. Completely out of control. If he doesn’t charge the dugout then nothing happens. Kela was wrong but seriously!?! And Puig, he tried over and over to get it going again and only got 3 games. Dudes an animal. Osuna got 5 games for what, pulling people off the pile? I’m fine with Kela getting 10, but Hughes should get at least 5 for actually hitting someone. Puig should get at least 5 but gets a pass because of the trade. Torre’s an idiot. Compete BS.
Glad to see MLB come down hard on the head-hunting. It needs to stop.
Pitching up and in us part of the game.
Purpose pitches at a hitters head at 98 mph is garbage.
There’s a difference between up and in and near someone’s head.
Kela admitted in after game interviews he intentionally threw that pitch
Also a difference between “at his head” and a foot over his head. Which is where the pitch was.
And that’s why he got 10…stupidity and making MLB look bad.
yeah, and illicit dealings are part of politics. doesnt meen they should be.
That is BS.
Pitching in, yes, but NOT at the head.
I’m sick of the broken hamate bones, wrists, hands, and fingers too. I know it’s just part of the game but man it gets old after watching your stars and pitchers go down for weeks and months afterwards.
Problem is guys are starting their swings as the pitcher is releasing the ball. Even if you are not Rizzo and have your hands over the plate just standing there., many times guys are hit either checking their swing or in the case of pitchers having their hands over the plate and hit trying to pull the bat back when trying to bunt. Hand injuries will happen even when the pitch is not really inside. a lot of times pitches are just off the plate inside and the batter gets hit in the hands.
I agree…this puts players careers at risk, but you also can’t be intimidated at this level. Bell said the last time this happened, how do we protect ourselves? Are we protected by MLB, we don’t feel like we are, so we’ll do what we have to do. But that headhunting BS is too much Clint Hurtle…FT…
Surprised David Bell didn’t get more.
Same
I want Puig on my side in a brawl
The guy is huge. With that haircut he looks like a bull.
i know! he’s good at being a key instigator and yet only getting suspended for a few games.
Standing up for teammates that have pitches thrown at their head at 98 mph is instigating?
Should be automatic 10 for coming onto field after being ejected. Not to mention everything else he did, regardless if he’s sticking up for a player or not. Also, the pitch wasn’t at his head.
Stop defending a head hunter who admitted he was head hunting.
no, Kela and Garrett were certianly more to blame, but Puig is going to escalate any fight he is in.
He admitted he was throwing up and in on purpose. He didn’t admit he was trying to hit his head. The purpose pitch has been a part of baseball for over a century. It’s not a new issue, and Kela certainly isn’t the first player to do it.
Just because purpose pitches are a thing, doesn’t mean they should be.
There’s no way to remove it without fundamentally changing baseball. Hughes made a purpose pitch by hitting marte one inning later, after being warned. The Reds threw over Marte’s head two innings earlier, before Kela’s pitch even occurred. There’s literally nothing you can do about it. It’s a part of the game.
Good.
I guess I missed the part where Hughes was a key player in this brawl.
He got tossed for hitting a Pirate.
He hit Marte in the hip in the 8th… w a 92 mph fastball
After being warned by the umpire not to continue the issue
He was ejected then came back out during the brawl. I’d say that’s the sole reason for his suspension, but three games is a bit much for just that
Why did Kela get more games than Garrett, the guy who charged the entire bench
threw at Dietrich and was involved in the fight
Kela didn’t even get ejected from the game at any point. He should definitely appeal. Reds threw a fastball right over Marte’s head earlier in the game. No different than the pitch to Dietrich. You just don’t know about it because the Pirates didn’t act like a bunch of clowns and become completely unhinged.
They would have had no right to come unhinged considering they throw at teams all the time.
More Pirate hitters have been hit by Reds pitchers this year than the other way around.
You must work for MSNBC.
FAKE NEWS.
Because the Pirates are well known for having a cramp-the-plate strategy, and they’ve done that for years. Being hit plenty doesn’t mean pitchers going out of their way to hit them all the time.
The Pirates have hit Reds batters 5 times this year. 2 of those were by Agrazal yesterday. At the time of the brawl, Reds batters had been hit by Pirates pitchers three times this year. At the time of the brawl, Pirates hitters had been hit by Reds pitchers 6 times this year.
Over the past 5 years:Reds have hit Pirate hitters 47 times. The Pirates have hit Reds hitters 41 times. (In 2016, the Reds hit Pirate batters 20 times in that season alone).
My God. The humanity. Those poor little babies. How have the Reds ever managed to survive the monster that is the Pittsburgh Pirates. I clearly see now why David Bell so desperately needs a diaper change.
Mlb for ya, Garret Bell Kela is how it should have went
Because wouldn’t you be afraid to discipline a beast that charged a whole team. lmao
A beast? Nah more like an idiot that got rocked
Because throwing a baseball at someone’s head is far more dangerous than throwing a punch.
And yet in the history of baseball, only 1 player has ever died from being hit by a pitch, while hundreds of boxers (some have estimated over 500) have died from punches in the ring.
There are also hundreds if not thousands of boxing fights across the world every single day, where fighters can be hit hundreds of times per fight.
Learn some perspective.
Not to mention they broke Brandon Phillips and Suarez’s wrists ! Clint Hurdle is a DOUCHÉ BAG !
I love the accent.
Stop your nonsense
Not to mention that Aroldis Chapman hit Andrew McCutchen multiple times on purpose
And put Schebler on the DL last year
MLB should just force Keone Kela and Amir Garrett to take one at-bat each with the opposing pitcher pitching to them. That would put an end to this nonsense real quick. Coin flip to decide who bats first.
They should also force Clint Hurdle to take an Alzheimers screening and drug test before allowing him back into the dugout.
How bout Bell?
Bell definitely deserved the biggest suspension of all for this, but no, he’s not senile and lost touch on all reality like Hurdle.
He got ejected, and yet still decided to storm the field during the fight, shove hurdle, and yell obscenities for about three minutes before being dragged off the field. He’s far more a problem than Hurdle.
Wrong. Hurdle ordering pitchers to throw at people’s heads is much, much worse. Bell went nuts and deserved a suspension, but can’t really blame him.
There is not one bit of evidence Hurdle ever did that
He wasn’t even in the game at that point, how do you justify allowing people to come back onto a field after they had already been tossed?
Garrett charged the whole Pirate team so I doubt he’s scarred to step into the batter’s box.
Yeah he was really brave charging the team. Difference between brave and stupid.
Not sure if it was a joke but I heard Dietrich was talking about making a police report against Kela for attempted murder…
That actually was done in hockey, where a player swung a stick at the back of a player’s head a few years ago. The player swinging the stick actually got charged with assault and battery.
Not a bad idea. Dietrich should pursue it.
Did that do permanent damage or something or the guy was never the same since?
Yeah, the player that took the cheap shot was Todd Bertuzzi. He basically ended Steve Moore’s NHL career with a sucker punch to the back of the head.
You said he swing a stick, he did not. You said he suckered him in the back of the head and he didn’t do that either. While he did jump him, the way he grabbed on and they fell to the ice caused the damage.
Marty McSorley hit Donald Brashear upside the head with his stick and he flopped to the ice.
That is true, but FTR, Moore sued Bertuzzi civilly. It was Marty McSorley who was threatened with actual prison for his on ice actions against Donald Brashear.
It was totally a sucker punch, He grabbed the back of his jersey and swung. Guess you need to YouTube some video.
It wasn’t any pinch that hurt him, it was getting on his back and driving his neck down and then the dogpile.
This has to be the fiercest rivalry among last place teams in all of sports.
I understand trying to stop intentionally hitting players but in no way do I think Hughes deserves being suspended. maybe a 1 game suspension max
Kela must really have some issues. Reportedly was a problem in Texas, definitely has been a problem in Pittsburgh, and then he starts a brawl by head hunting? I wouldn’t be surprised if he has trouble finding a job once he reaches FA.
Trevor Bauer and Yasiel Puig are also both known to be massive headaches for teams. Both have the same amount of talent as Kela. And yet teams will still willingly throw around prospects to acquire them. I don’t think he’ll have much of a problem at all.
Bauer and Puig are much more valuable than Kela. Lol. Bauer is a #2 starter, Puig is a starting RF, while Kela is a middle reliever. Not even comparable. He is good at his role but.Middle relievers grow on trees.
Kela is a setup man and a former closer for the Rangers. He’s good at what he does and has been on a tear lately. Puig isn’t very valuable anyways. He hits for power, but not for contact, and he’s only slightly above average on defense. He hasn’t been that good since 2014
after this though you cant tell me Kela isnt in a whole other level of crazy. Puig is a pugalist, but at least entertains when doing so. Bauer meanwhile is not one to throw at your head for the sport of it.
I’m not going to back him up for throwing at the guy’s head. It’s not morally okay. He fights with his own staff, among other issues. He has a large batch of problems. But I still think he finds a job next year.
Actually you will not hear about Puig from anyone in Cincy, We have not had 1 problem with him even close to being a headache, He was loved here. So all you have is 1 other team that he might have been a headache too and that was when he first came up in the league and he was immature and showing up pitchers.
“Hey look, Dietrich and the Sarge ain’t dead! Their signs are real low but they ain’t dead!”
Kela, during the brawl, also threatened Votto with throwing at him…
Kela just needs to go play for the Sugarland Skeeters. He has no place in MLB.
XLB
How in the world does Garrett only get 8 games, he started the whole thing?
8 is a fair penalty for charging the bench in terms of how long baseball penalties usually are, especially given how many guys were already out of the dugout to meet him when he got there.
They should’ve canceled the rest of the Pirates season.
That actually is not a punishment to anyone.
The Reds threw at Marte’s head an inning or two before Kela did. They missed and then hit him in his next at bat. And then it was Garrett who charged the dugout.
But, the Pirates started it…?
K.
In the NHL, you get an automatic ten games for getting involved in a fight after being ejected. David Bell only getting 6 should be embarrassing to MLB.
That sucks for the Pirates that they have to play a man short for over a week… 10 Games is a long time to be without a bullpen piece.. they should definitely release this guy after that
Bell coming back on the field after being ejected deserved at least 10. What’s the point of ejecting if he can just come out and do nothing to control his team. Joke
Kela gets 10 for not hitting someone and Hughes gets 3 for hitting someone. Seems right
Seriously? That’s an incredibly ignorant way to look at it.
Where to start? Kela was the one who threw the first pitch. He was the one who initiated what led to the brawl. And I’m not an advocate of “the unwritten rule” and throwing at guys, but at least Hughes did it right. He put a ball into the batters legs. Kela head hunted. Do you actually believe what you wrote, or are you just being biased?
Sorry but if it doesn’t warrant being tossed from the game why does it warrant the most games suspended? Are you creating new rules for baseball here? He initiated as you say, but the reds could have done nothing. But bottom line to me is that he wasn’t tossed unlike bell. I guess every high pitch now will deserve a suspension even if the batter isn’t hit and the pitcher isn’t tossed. Pretty lame excuse you come up with with the initiating, true initiation would have been bench clearings at that point but then Hughes needed to send a message. Then who charged the Pirates dugout? Seems to me the reds kept the fire going
Of course they did. Kela was the whole reason anything happened though. That’s why he got the most games. That’s how it always has been. Saying he should’ve got less games than a pitcher just because he missed (the head of all places) wasn’t a good way to put it.
Let’s start off with me saying this… this was such a joke and bad for baseball. That’s said, as a man who enjoys such things anyways: lol
Bravo to Amir for going for it like he did. Stupid? YUP Crazy 1 man vs a team? YUP but hey, you sure made a statement.
2nd: bell sprinting out of the dugout after being ejected, one of the first reds out there was awesome… loved it. Prob shouldn’t attack an man 40 years older than you, but still lol
i appreciate it for the entertainment value, and i approve of the punishments as well. always good to see a good fight as long as no one gets hurt and it’s not encouraged.
Is someone on the pirates 6 years old?
Which one of those big, bad, brave Reds pushed a rotund geriatric man with two artificial hips to the ground?
Clint Hurdle probably didn’t even realize what happened. He probably just assumed he fell out of his chair at the Golden Corral.
Shades of Pedro Martinez.
None
Maybe the fat tomato should stop instructing his pitchers to throw at the other team. Fake tough guy.
If you don’t want to get knocked down, stay in the dugout. Anyway I don’t think he got knocked down by a player, he fell in the scrum.
Also, Puig tried to fight the whole Pirate team….what did Crick do, exactly?
Hurdle is scum… It is a joke he only gets 2 games…
He’s a pacifist choir boy next to Dusty Baker, the guy who is actually to blame for all of this.
no matter the situation, people will always find a reason to blame Dusty Baker for everything.
Chapman tried to kill McCutchen on multiple occasions.
I don’t know if I’d go that far, but you are right Dusty was that same kind of idiot Hurdle is. It’s not acceptable in todays game.
Wonder if Puig will get credit for sitting last nights game out?
MLB should hammer whoever runs out of the bullpen. It’s so silly to see the gate swing open and these guys run 300’ to join the melee.
Are you serious? That the best part! Usually everything has settled down but then here comes the cavalry
Bring back the bullpen cars and let them ram into each other.
You morons just love to jump to conclusions. He disrespected a FO staff member…for what, who knows. He is still a good RP and may even be the closer next year.
It would be interesting to be a fly on the wall in Cleveland’s GM’s office right now.
Hey Cincy, you forgot to remove Puig from the game and now he’s getting a suspension???? I wonder if we’ll see an under-the-radar trade between the two teams this offseason to make up for that?
I’m guessing Puig got off a tad bit lighter due to the change of uniforms.
Here’s the thing, if Hurdle and the Pirates were intentionally throwing at people, not only would I admit it, I’d borderline brag about it.
They don’t.
They pitch inside and many of their pitchers suck. Period.
Dusty Baker, OTOH, systematically beaned Pirates almost every game as a matter of strategy.
Deitrich is bush league. He deserv
Don’t give up the homer then, you won’t have to whine about it
English please?
Garrett had to get the most amount of games. One may have started it, Garrett escalated it. He did not have to run off the mound to take on the entire team. Dumb on so many levels.
Some of you don’t want to see pitchers brush a hitter back for showboating. Yet some of you wanted Jake Marisnick to get thrown at. Which one is it? Do you want players to police themselves or do you want it completely out of the game? Yes, you will say Marisnick deserved it for injuring Lucroy. A hitter pimping bombs is entertaining? Homeruns are hit by everyone. Homeruns are no longer special. So long as the pitch is not at the head I am fine with the brushback. Hitters are given so much leniency and favors in today’s game it has become less entertaining.
Andrew McCutchen 11 years, HBP – 72X Derek Dietrich 7 years, HBP 115X, AM AB – 6,773 DD AB 2,099, Huge difference, Teams seem to want to hit DD more than McCutchen ever even comes close, Would be interesting to see how many times He was hit by a Reds pitcher though.
Interesting Read Also shows Who was hit and if retaliation. Seems like It’s usually the same players hit everytime on both teams, Mesoroco was hit numerous times as was Mccutcheon.
baseballprospectus.com/news/article/29199/prospect…
Dietrich stands on top of the plate which doesn’t help things.
A quick look at his game logs and looks like Reds pitchers hit Dietrich 5 times. May have missed one or so but at least 5 :)
Nationals pitchers have hit Dietrich the most in his career at 16 times (Pirates have hit him twice).
Reds pitchers have hit McCutchen 9 times in his career.
Should also note that Reds pitchers have hit Starling Marte 16 times in his career.
Amir Garrett is a savage. Dude took on an entire team by himself. If he did this in Philly, someone’s building him a statue. I’m not even trying to troll- I loved it! Nobody got hurt so no foul.
Pirates fan here…. Kela should be suspended for the rest of the year. There is no place in baseball for throwing at someone’s head. Garrett should be out for 10, if not 20 games. Professional athletes are ambassadors of the sport and should be expected to conduct themselves accordingly. If benches clear and everyone joins, yeah it happens, but to leave the mound and charge a dugout is crossing a line and setting a bad example for every youth out there watching.
Hurdle getting two games is a good move too. I have no clue if he condones it or not, and honestly not a single person commenting here knows the truth either. Regardless of his intentions, he is responsible for the actions of his team.
Pirates and Hurdle are “thugs” ! This has been going on all season with all opponents. Simple answer, suspend Hurdle for 30 games or tell him next time it is 30 games.
ESPN told you, so it must be true!
Stats told him
The Pirates have hit Reds batters 5 times this year. 2 of those were by Agrazal the day after the brawl. At the time of the brawl, Reds batters had been hit by Pirates pitchers THREE times this year. At the time of the brawl, Pirates hitters had been hit by Reds pitchers SIX times this year.
Over the past 5 years:Reds have hit Pirate hitters 47 times. The Pirates have hit Reds hitters 41 times. (In 2016, the Reds hit Pirate batters 20 times in that season alone).
Stats told you.
Typical Pirate bs and their fan base is showing how pathetic they are
Wait, Pirates have a fan base?
Ok homer, you forget the amount of times Chapman hit players. Where were you then?
Nice how you ignore the fact that Chapman has hit guys at the same pace on every team he’s played.And you call me the homer,wanna be the pot or the kettle?
running down his Mother’s leg
I’m actually kind of shocked! Why are they giving Kela 10 games, but only giving Garret (the guy who threw the first punch) 8 games? And they’re only giving bell 6 games? The guy was thrown out of the game and came back on the field to fight! Pretty backwards and stupid if you ask me
IMO: hughes should not be suspended. when you intentionally hit some one you hitm in the butt. wasnt trying to hurt anyone. props to mr hyde.
ejection sure, supension… na… unless some5hing happened in the melee i didnt see.
I’m so tired of the narrative that the pirates are some kind of a mean team because they pitch inside. They are middle of the pack in that category. Once again, they hit nobody and they actually got hit, but they are the meanies. Toughen up no central!
Middle of the pack? They’ve hit the third most batters this season and since Hurdle took over in 2011 have hit the most batters in baseball. Hurdle is a redass has been that really never was.
and guess who is right be hind the pirates since 2011…. yup.. the reds.
Guess who has been hit the most since 2011… the pirates and over a third of those pirates that where hit where Marte, Cutch and Harrison three of the core players in those stretches.
Yes, they both need to clean up their game.
And the Reds have had 4 managers and a whole lot of really bad pitching in that time frame.
exactly… its not necessarily the coaches calling for it.
I doubt anyone (in authority) told Hughes to throw at marte in this game. Jared just knew he had to send a message and he did.. the right way, not trying to hurt anyone… just an example
I feel like Puig could just quietly sit in a dugout while his team is in the middle of a brawl and he’d still get suspended.
Big boys don’t cry.
Baseball is causing this. Let them throw at each other – it will be figured out. Any fights happen within fair territory only. Any participation in fights in foul territory result in month-long suspensions. If anyone crosses into fair territory to participate – month long suspension.
Sissy baseball players don’t hold a candle to hockey players.
Honus Wagner, that showboating clown, started it when he lifted his left eyebrow 1 mm at Noodles Hahn after a sacrifice bunt.
Know your history or get off this board.
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Wow! In other news from yesteryear these women are asking for the right to vote. Very timely reference @serge, we should do everything like it’s still 1897.
and letting women vote has been a BIG mistake since
Pirates fan here and I’m fine with all the suspensions except one. Bell needed to be made an example of. It completely undermines the umpires who threw him out of the game. I’m surprised there isn’t more outrage about this.
Let me get this straight: you think the message MLB needs to send is that returning to the field after an ejection is more dangerous than head-hunting? And specifically a manager who clearly and unapologetically promotes head-hunting?
You don’t really believe that.
Yes I do, you have no facts to prove Hurdle told anyone to headhunt, that’s an assumption. What Bell did should have dire consequences as a player or manager who has been ejected should be considered almost like a fan entering the field, they have been forbidden by the umpires to be anywhere near the team or the field. It undermines the umps and it sets a horrible precedent. If you or the league could prove Hurdle ordered it he’d get a lot more than 2 games.
This is one of the most ridiculous things I’ve read on this site. And you need to get over yourself. Forbidden haha. It’s a rule. Bell broke it. But he broke it trying to protect his players – as did Garrett – from an ancient piece of garbage playing games with men’s livelihoods. God forbid a retaliation for Hurdle’s dirtbag antics doesn’t put someone in the hospital. Enjoy rooting for your dirty team, guy.
I think amir Garrett should have received the most without a chance to appeal. Even though it’s his right. In this situation Keone Kela and Amir Garrett minimum 12 games each. When they appeal both get 10 games. Since its 10 and 8 games for them. Neither of them should be reduced.
Since he began managing the Rockies in 2002, and including 2010 when he didn’t manage, Clint Hurdle managed teams have hit the fifth most batters in baseball in that time frame. This isn’t a question of where it starts.
That’s going to happen when you have Charlie Morton on your team for 7 of those seasons. He single-handedly accounts for 74 of them.
People might not have noticed with the success that Morton had in his 2 seasons with the Astros also came 29 HBP. (He’s led the league in HBP 4 different times)
In the 10 years before Clint Hurdle was manager: Pirates pitchers avg. 63.2 HBP/yr.
In the Hurdle years, Pirates pitchers have avg. 68 HBP/yr.
Seems like if Hurdle has a “throw at every hitter” edict going, the players aren’t doing a great job of following it.
Should also mention, in the 3 full Hurdle seasons since Morton left: avg. 65 HBP/yr..
If Hurdle has hit the 5th most, what about numbers 2-4? Puig got his time for totally losing control again. And David Bell, in his first year as a manager, has already set a Reds record for ejections, not vs. just the Pirates either, he likes to scream & cuss at the umpires, whine at press conferences, desperately to get everyone to believe he & his team are the victims in every game. He should be fired for total loss of control of himself & his team. Never has a manager done less with more in history.
It’s one of those misleading stats because Hurdle is one of the few managers who has had a job just about every season since 2002, so of course he’s going to have one of the highest number of HBP, because he’s also managed one of the highest number of games since then.
Guess how many current MLB managers had an MLB managing job in 2002? It’s that same number of 5: Bochy, Maddon, Francona, Hurdle & Gardenhire.
Garrett and bell should got the most days suspended. Baseball heads have it all wrong again.
So it’s ok when a guy intentionally throws at a players head
Yeah ok
Ignorant comment
Hurdle is a cowardly little man. I don’t believe in this retaliation the Reds did either, but at least they didn’t hide behind pitches 60’ 6”. Pitch better and people won’t be able to admire their long balls.
hit’m in the balls and let them admire that
Every single comment thread I’ve seen about this thing has continued to prove my point..Pittsburgh fans, as a whole, are absolutely delusional..
I think ignorant is a better word
I’d argue the opposite. Cinci fans are delusional. Maybe they both are.
if everyone around you is crazy… how can you be sure its not you?
Good point. Maybe I am too. But I’m certain that cinci is. Pirate fans probably are too. Most teams fans are homers.
Two dumpster fire organizations. Who cares if they kill each other?